1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: All right, welcome into this week's ozone podcast. And I'm 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: excited about this guest, and I think all Jaguars fans 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: will be excited about this guest. We've gotten to know 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: him a little bit over the gosh two months that 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: he's been here. But a huge weekend, as coach Liam 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: Cohen called it, his super Bowl last weekend. Jaguars general 7 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: manager James Gladstone, thanks for. 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 2: Doing this, James, I appreciate you guys having me on. 9 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 2: This will be a blast. 10 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: I have a litany of questions, but the first one 11 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: I think is what everybody's asking. Where did you get 12 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: the guts to make that pick? 13 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 3: Oh? You know what, Travis Hunter? Right, he's a rare player, right, 14 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 3: rare person. 15 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: You know. 16 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 3: I think that combination, in some way, shape or form 17 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 3: makes it fairly easy. 18 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: Right. 19 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 3: But at the same time, obviously I understand the gravity 20 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: of a decision to that magnitude, right, It's not without 21 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 3: careful thought, careful consideration, and you know, a collective buy 22 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 3: in and the work from our scouting staff, our coaching staff, 23 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 3: and even our support staff and the lead up to 24 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 3: that decision to ensure that we had a very clear 25 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 3: vision for Travis was something we had to work through, 26 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: and obviously that took a coordinated effort, and you know, 27 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 3: to date, really happy with the way things have played 28 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 3: out specific to the draft, and look forward to getting 29 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 3: all those draft picks and the young draft of college 30 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 3: free agents in the building and began acclimating with the 31 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 3: current team and seeing all that come to life for. 32 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: People who are listening. I'm not going to get knee 33 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: deep into the mechanics of the trade because a lot 34 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: of that will be in the hunt, which your administration, Bisselli, 35 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: Cohen and yourself have really opened the franchise up to 36 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: allowing fans to see the process. I'm curious how important 37 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: that is to you. Just as much as possible to 38 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: let the fans know what's going on, because this is 39 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: pretty groundbreaking what you're allowing. 40 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 3: You know what I actually first and foremost, I think 41 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 3: for our fan base, we want to give you clarity 42 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: and familiarity with how we move and once you all 43 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 3: to understand the why behind it and see it come 44 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 3: to life on the grass and make it so it's 45 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 3: something that you guys are all proud to support, proud 46 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 3: to back. And I think beyond that, it's not all 47 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: that undifferent to what I'm used to. When I was 48 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 3: with the Los Angeles RAMS, I was the primary point 49 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 3: of contact between our scouting staff and the content team 50 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 3: and what was being put out, etc. And you know, 51 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 3: being in Hollywood, so to speak, entertainment capital, right, we 52 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 3: understood that this is an entertainment business, and for our 53 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 3: fan base here in Jacksonville, want to make sure that 54 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 3: that access is in fact granted in a way that doesn't, 55 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 3: you know, give us any sort of, you know, concern 56 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: about maintaining competitive advantage, but also provides you all with 57 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 3: understanding for. 58 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: Those who don't know it. In the twenties, Jacksonville was 59 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: the silent film capital of the world. Maybe that's the 60 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: there it is. Maybe that's the connection. I almost hesitate 61 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: to ask this because after being around you for a 62 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: couple of months I don't think of you as as 63 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: a quote thirty four year old general manager, but people 64 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 1: listening to this I think still sort of see that number. 65 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: How at a relatively young age, your command and your 66 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: presence of running an organization and a system as complex 67 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: as the draft, how do you be ready for that 68 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: at a relatively young age and a new situation if 69 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: you follow me, does that make sense or sure? 70 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 3: I think there's probably a lot of layers there, and 71 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 3: I probably won't do a justice here in the setting 72 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: to work through it. But you know, I genuinely believe 73 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 3: that I wasn't given this opportunity for anything that I 74 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 3: did solely on my own. And I think as I 75 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 3: think back to, you know, my my peers and my 76 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 3: mentors specifically there with the Rams, you know, I think 77 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 3: they played a large hand in where I am and 78 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 3: how I move. 79 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: I think earlier than that, right, so. 80 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 3: Many of the folks that I leaned on growing up, 81 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 3: whether it was my you know, my siblings, or my friends, 82 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 3: my parents, my close family, you know, they play a 83 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: big role in that as well. And you know, I 84 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 3: think that goes for so many people, right that they 85 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 3: don't get to where they're at alone. And you know, 86 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 3: as I apply that now to here in Jacksonville, we 87 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 3: have a dynamic, connected leadership group between Tony, Liam, myself, 88 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 3: and we have a support system now amongst our staff 89 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 3: who is interested in moving in the direction that we've 90 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: sort of set ahead and so looking forward to seeing 91 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 3: that all take shape here. And to go back to 92 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 3: your original question, I probably can't do it Justice just 93 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 3: a quick podcast, but. 94 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: It's probably a five or six podcast. 95 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: Questions about that. 96 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: One thing that has struck me that I don't know 97 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: if I expected, because I don't know how you would 98 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: expect it without sort of seeing you operate. I've been 99 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: around a lot of gms and a lot of coaches. 100 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: You embrace it and have fun with it more than 101 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: most guys I've been around, Meaning you sort of knew 102 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: that this was a big pick and you don't mind 103 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: coming into an interview and saying, hey, this might transform 104 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: the lead and you know the game on and you're 105 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: having fun with it. Not that you don't take it 106 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: seriously because I was a serious guy. But am I 107 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: reading that element right that this is there's a fun 108 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: side of this too for you? 109 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: Absolutely? 110 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 3: I think you know honestly, it's probably part of the 111 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 3: reason why I was drawn to Travis. The way that 112 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: Travis operates, He does so with a level of enthusiasm 113 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 3: and joy, knowing that he's doing something that brings him 114 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 3: fulfillment playing the sport of football no different is that 115 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 3: for me in the world of scouting, player evaluation and 116 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 3: engineering team dynamics, that those are fulfilling elements for me, 117 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: and I want that reflected in the way that I operate, 118 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 3: and I think that's by showing a level of excitement 119 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 3: and joy along the way in the process. This is football, 120 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 3: it's not built to be a boardroom. And obviously, in 121 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 3: the same breath, right when I've spoken about Travis in 122 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: the past, there's this level of deep rooted thoughtfulness and 123 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 3: maturity that lies beneath the surface, and for me, that's 124 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 3: something I've always I've always been someone who thinks deeply 125 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:03,679 Speaker 3: and carefully and deliberately, and I think that those things 126 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 3: somehow work in combination. But at the same time, as 127 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 3: I begin getting integrated with our staff that exists here 128 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: on site, they have shown a level of grace, humility, 129 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: and excitement enthusiasm in the way that they're operating, and 130 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 3: I think that that just stimulates that for a group 131 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 3: and for a building, and so the fact that it's happening, 132 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 3: you know, outside of just. 133 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: The way that I'm moving. 134 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 3: Obviously, we hope that Travis brings that energy to the 135 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 3: rookie class and that people Travis is able to absorb 136 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 3: that from others. But nonetheless, it's it's been cool to 137 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 3: see that take shape because obviously with change, uh, the 138 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 3: uncertainty that comes with change, that can that can lead 139 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 3: to people tightening up. And over the course of the 140 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: last two months amongst our staff, it's been really I've 141 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 3: been really grateful at how quickly they've opened up. 142 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: So, as you said, that doesn't happen, it doesn't have 143 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: to happen, and it doesn't always happen to talking to 144 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: Sally Monday or Tuesday and your name came up and 145 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: he said, you know what people may not understand is 146 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: he's a competitive bleep. Do you think of yourself as 147 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: as competitive? And does that sort of is that one 148 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: of the threads that defines you you think? 149 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: You know? I like the question. 150 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 3: I've always I've always tried to have an outward shell 151 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 3: that's poised and calm that that's come with, you know, 152 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 3: having moments where I didn't quite put that on. Well, 153 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 3: I don't know if that was or showing the emotions, 154 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 3: so whether good, bad and high low in between, you know. 155 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 3: So I've certainly experienced the range of outward facing emotions 156 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 3: and things like that, so I shouldn't even I don't 157 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 3: want it to ever come off like I have this 158 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 3: ultimate poise or something along those because that's not it. 159 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 3: I go through the range of all emotions and when 160 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 3: it comes to competing, right, Internally, I have an extreme 161 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 3: fire and an extreme passion for the sport of football 162 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 3: and engineering team dynamics. But externally I do project an 163 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: attempt to project it as a conscious effort, grace and 164 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 3: end poise, which that's practice that's been practiced over time, right, 165 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 3: And I've had to if that's my standard, failed not 166 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 3: met that standard multiple times. 167 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 2: In order, and I know that I'll fail in the future. Right. 168 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 3: There's likely to be a moment that I don't come 169 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 3: through in a way that I would want to come through, 170 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 3: and there will be moments where I'm proud of it. 171 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 3: But that's certainly something I'm conscious. 172 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: Of when I say, after two months, when I say, Biselli, 173 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: what does that mean to you? 174 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, it means a whole lot. So I think 175 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 3: I said it when fresh off the hiring. It's like 176 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 3: I got to imagine that every candidate that walked through 177 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 3: the door and sat down with the committee walked out saying, man, 178 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 3: he's somebody I want to be in the bunker with. 179 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 3: And that has truly shown itself over the last two 180 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 3: months and you know, working in tandem with him and Liam, 181 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 3: it has been in absolute joy. And those two guys 182 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 3: are infectious the way that they talk about the sport itself, 183 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 3: talk about the dynamics that exist, and work through it 184 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 3: in such a collaborative manner. I couldn't be more thankful today, 185 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 3: and look forward for those relationships continuing to grow because 186 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 3: you know both of them are they're attacking those relationships. 187 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: It's it's two ways. 188 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 3: And you know, earning trust it takes, it takes time, 189 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 3: but you know, at each of these sort of moments 190 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 3: on the timeline so far, it offers that opportunity and 191 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 3: and I look forward to the ones that lie on 192 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 3: the horizon and I'm you know, ecstatic about the few 193 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 3: that have happened so far, but looking forward to what 194 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 3: comes next. 195 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: You touched on Liam a little bit, but at head 196 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: coach GM relationship is so important. Yeah, I guess, just 197 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: what's been your biggest impression or anything you've learned after 198 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: two months? Maybe you didn't know coming in any anything 199 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: stand out. 200 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 3: You know, I don't know if it's it fits the 201 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 3: bill for something I didn't know coming in, but something 202 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 3: you know, I've been really happy to see is the 203 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 3: standards that Liam has for players, coaches and staff and 204 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 3: ensuring that those are in fact followed up on right. 205 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: It can be easy, I think, especially this day and 206 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 3: age too. You know, coddle and cater to and and 207 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 3: he has a standard. Yeah, some people might say that, 208 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 3: but this is professional sports. This is going to be 209 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 3: a franchise that we intend to make a premiere, uh 210 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 3: sort of spotlight, and it requires attention to detail and 211 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: setting a standard and ensuring that is in fact being met. 212 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 3: And Liam doesn't play and and that's been something that 213 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 3: I've been really excited to see in action. 214 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: Got you anybody who talks to you is always struck 215 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: by your clarity communication. We've talked about a little bit. 216 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: My thought since you've gotten here is maybe an appreciation 217 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: of how important that is as a general manager to 218 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: be able to communicate to the entire building, the entire structure. 219 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: And the phrase I've always used is you want the 220 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: West Coast scout to know exactly what the wide receivers 221 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: coach is looking for in a player and vice versa. 222 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: Is that intentional on your part? Is that a priority 223 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: on your part? How important is that to you? 224 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 2: Oh? 225 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 3: Communication is critical, and I hold it at a premium. 226 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 3: I want our staff to hold it at a premium. 227 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 3: And you know, I got to point back to in 228 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 3: the early days of my life, right, my father was 229 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 3: a football coach and I got to play for him, 230 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: later got to work alongside him, and I remember I 231 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 3: just knew him for what he was right, right, and 232 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 3: so I didn't think too deeply about what I was seeing. 233 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: It just was. 234 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 3: And it wasn't until I was working alongside him and 235 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 3: I was an offensive coordinator. We had a defensive coordinator 236 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 3: who was somebody that was a year or two older 237 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 3: than I was, and he also came from a football 238 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 3: family and was looking to grow in the business. 239 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 2: And he had said. 240 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 3: To me, after maybe you know, three or four months 241 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 3: on the job, he was like, I have not seen 242 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 3: someone like your dad in a small group setting be 243 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 3: so good at communicating a vision, a message and adding 244 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: clarity to the space. 245 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: And it hit me at that moment. 246 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 3: As like, holy cow, my dad is a very very 247 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 3: good communicator. 248 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: As you were just grown up with it, so you 249 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: have nothing to assume it's what it is, right. 250 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 3: So I think naturally I was emulating his communication style 251 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 3: throughout young adulthood into adulthood. I've since been able to 252 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: lean on other styles as well, and I think take 253 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 3: it into different directions. But nonetheless, I think that probably 254 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 3: is the genesis of the way in which I communicate. 255 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 3: But it was at that point, obviously that I recognized 256 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 3: that this might be why I do what I do. 257 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 3: In terms of applying that then to how we move 258 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 3: internally here with the Jaguars across staff. You know, I 259 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 3: think that takes time to understand exactly what it is 260 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 3: that our coaching staff is looking for if you're an 261 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 3: area of scout or an over the top scout, etc. 262 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: And we'll provide those touch points between the two departments 263 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 3: to ensure that there is in fact clarity well at 264 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 3: the same time remaining agile knowing that, I think Liams 265 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: expressed this in the past. When he got to Tampa Bay, 266 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 3: his intent with the run game was far different than 267 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 3: what it had ended up being. We're in the first 268 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 3: spring with a new coaching staff. We have an intent, sure, 269 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 3: but we've got to acknowledge the fact that that might 270 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 3: shift by the time we get to the midpoint next season, 271 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 3: and so I think you got to work with that 272 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 3: in mind as well, and you know, just for again, 273 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 3: if we're going to dive into transparency and clarity across 274 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: our entire fan base. You know, something that we do 275 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 3: for our scouting staff and we'll do for our scouting 276 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 3: staff is an annual event. It'll be our Scouting Summit. 277 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: It's essentially a program specifically suited for professional development. 278 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: In the space of scouting as well as we walk through. 279 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 3: Enhancements and evolution items that will incorporate into our process 280 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 3: moving forward in each year how we adapt and evolve. 281 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 3: But that takes place during training camp. So really this 282 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 3: time of year, as we transition away from the focus 283 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 3: on pro free agency and the NFL Draft, we start 284 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 3: to shift gears into our after a review process and 285 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 3: prepping for that Scouting summit, which we'll sit down with 286 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 3: our full staff come training camp. 287 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: One thing that fascinates Man, it may be too deep 288 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: for this, but I'm not asking anyway. The concept that 289 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: you've talked about about putting time into the process to 290 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: sleep on decisions. I'm not saying that very well, but 291 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: it's fascinating because you also mentioned the effort that you 292 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: put into during scouting meetings of having the conversations be 293 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: more water cooler than boardroom. It struck me from those 294 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: two things that you put a lot of time into 295 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: making sure that there's a process of meetings that take 296 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: place during scouting, but you want to make sure that 297 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: the processes are in place, that the decisions are right, 298 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: and there's time to think about it. I didn't do 299 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: a very good job of getting to the question, but 300 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: you it seems to me that's a priority for you 301 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: is making sure that you give people time to make 302 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: well thought out decisions and if that's part of the process. 303 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that becomes really hard later in the draft 304 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 3: when you're sort of deal with a lot of moving 305 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 3: parts that you you know, you got to adapt in 306 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 3: real time, just like I mean, I remember thinking back, 307 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 3: this is great back with the Rams. I don't know 308 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 3: which draft it was, but we're getting towards the latter 309 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 3: portion of day three and there were some shifting dynamics. 310 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 3: Guys that we were interested in targeting at a certain 311 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 3: pick had just come off the board, so we were 312 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 3: pivoting and and we're kind of talking through things and 313 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 3: you can feel the tension the stress, and Sean looks 314 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 3: over it less and it's like, oh my gosh, if 315 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,959 Speaker 3: you're feeling this. Can you imagine having, you know, a 316 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 3: buzzer to get a call in before it runs out? Right, 317 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 3: So it's like this is this is easy and embarrass 318 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 3: into that. 319 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 2: And making the decision. 320 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 3: But yeah, one of the things that you know, over 321 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 3: my time with the RAMS, I was the one that 322 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 3: typed in the the pick right, so less would obviously 323 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 3: make the decision. I would send it to the league 324 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 3: and and that would be that. But when I would 325 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 3: press the enter button, that's really that was like a 326 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 3: trigger for me, and I knew in that moment what 327 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 3: my real sentiment on that player was. And so it 328 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 3: became helpful year over year to say, how can I 329 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 3: how can I get that rep before I ever have 330 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 3: to press enter? How can I actually put myself in 331 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 3: that position so I have actually understood in advance whether 332 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 3: or not that was the decision I wanted to have made. 333 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: And that's where the time the sleeping on it. Okay, 334 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: that's and that's a process. You've installed that into the 335 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: process rather than assuming it's going to happen naturally correct, 336 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: which is intentional without giving away secrets. When you think 337 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: of a good draft process, are there any traits that 338 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: you feel like are important. I'm not going to ask you, hey, 339 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: what do you do on May or on April first, 340 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: but are there any trait, any traits that you think 341 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: are important in a good draft process. When you see it, 342 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, that fits you know. 343 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 2: So here's the thing. 344 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 3: The twenty twenty five draft class. We won't know for 345 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 3: two to three years and maybe even beyond that, whether 346 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 3: or not it was successful. I think in the short 347 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 3: term what you look at in terms of whether or 348 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 3: not it was successful is intent and execution. We went 349 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 3: in with the intention of having a top three walking 350 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 3: away with a top three the Jaguar DNA draft class, 351 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 3: and as I sit here today, we ended up with Again, 352 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 3: this is an internal metric, so it's not to say 353 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 3: whether or not it does in fact lead to this 354 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 3: successful draft. We expect it to, but we ended up 355 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 3: with the best Jaguar DNA. This is a combination of 356 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: intangibles that we covet right right the on field evaluation 357 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 3: from our scouts, the competitiveness of each player, the toughness 358 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 3: of each player, the instincts of each player, then off 359 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 3: the field, their football character, personal character, mental capacity, all 360 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 3: coming into combination to form this Jaguar DNA. There are 361 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 3: additional layers to that. Those aren't the only characteristics that 362 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 3: come to life. But in the short term, the fact 363 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 3: that we had an intent and we executed, that's. 364 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 2: Where you can find some level of do that filment, you're. 365 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: Gonna have successful drafts a percentage of the time. 366 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: That would be our that would be our expectation. Yes, 367 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 3: obviously time will tell, but. 368 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: I could go into every pick. You've sort of already 369 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: done that on the podium. So one question, it struck 370 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: me what the owner's means we were talking. Did you 371 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: really never use the phrase intangibly rich till you got here? No, 372 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: I don't felt like a buzzword that you brought in. 373 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that was we spoke about with the rams 374 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 3: physical qualities and intangible qualities. That was how we would 375 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 3: divide profiles of prospects, and through that. I think the 376 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 3: first time I would have ever leaned into intangibly rich 377 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 3: would have been as a part of. 378 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 2: Either a the interview process. 379 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 3: Which I do not actually recall if I shared it 380 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 3: in that setting, or be the press conference. 381 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 2: It just coming to mind. 382 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: Did you plan on or is that top of your head. 383 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 3: That's actually a phrase I do use often because I 384 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 3: think it sets the sure, sets the tone, so to speak. 385 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 3: So yeah, my close friends would tell you that they have. 386 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: Heard that before. Yeah, I got you the final question 387 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: on these lines, and we have a quick fun thing 388 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: at the end. Can you believe it's been two months? 389 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: It's a crazy two months. 390 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that went fast. That went fast. So I do 391 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: hope that. 392 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 3: Maybe now, reflecting on the warp speed of two months, 393 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 3: life doesn't continue to go that faster that I get 394 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 3: to I get to pause a. 395 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: Little bit more. I think. 396 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 3: So much this day is about pressing the fast forward 397 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 3: butt and I'll look to try as often as I 398 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 3: can to press the pause button and just root myself. 399 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 3: I think I'll be mindful of that for sure. Over 400 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 3: the last two months, there were probably instances, but not 401 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 3: enough where I was able to do that. And I 402 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 3: don't mean that like physically. I mean being able to 403 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 3: like press pause and sort of soak up this conversation. 404 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 2: With you, right, Like I'd love to seer. 405 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 3: This into my mind for the future, to remember it 406 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 3: and not just move on to the next subject, right 407 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 3: or like it's transactional. Yeah, I do want to. I 408 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 3: want my life, I want the Jaguars. I want this 409 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 3: process to be transformational, and I think that requires a 410 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,719 Speaker 3: little bit of mindfulness and probably along the way and 411 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 3: not just speeding along. 412 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: Gotcha. Final thing we do here is called the Ozone five. 413 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: It's five quick questions that are supposed to be fun. 414 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: James Gladstone, what was your last binge? Watch? 415 00:24:53,240 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 3: My gosh, oh my, I do watched The Office before bed, 416 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 3: but I don't. Actually I just listened to it and 417 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 3: close my eyes. Shoot, I didn't. 418 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: Just finish the series finale yesterday. That's amazing. 419 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 2: What the Office? 420 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, my wife first time watched. I had watched it 421 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: four or five years ago, straight through, and she was 422 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: finishing the binge in the season in the series finale 423 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: is really good on that kind of thing. 424 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 3: It would have been probably something on Netflix in the Fall. 425 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 3: Any idea what would have come out in the Fall. 426 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: I'm bad at it because I'm always two or three 427 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: years behind, But okay, I like The Office. That's a 428 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: good one, man. 429 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 3: There definitely was one or two in the Fall that 430 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 3: I did, and I am blanking. 431 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 2: You can text me, yeah, I'll come back. You can 432 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: share it with the on the next episode. 433 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: Are you a music guy? And if so, last song 434 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: you heard in the way in this morning. 435 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 3: Oh so, unfortunately, people would not like the way that 436 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 3: I listened to music. I listen to music and go 437 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 3: I listen to a song until I understand every word, 438 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 3: and usually that takes a week to two weeks. And 439 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 3: I will listen to that on my car rides in 440 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 3: between phone calls, and and then I will probably not 441 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 3: listen to that song ever. 442 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: Again, I have never heard of that, but that is 443 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: very interesting. 444 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 2: Oh and I guess this. 445 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 3: Here's what's kind of fun. So I do listen to 446 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 3: the songs again. But it's not that I'll ever do 447 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 3: it in a substantial way, but it is kind of 448 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 3: fun for me. When I hear that song, it actually 449 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 3: takes me back to that two week window of my life. 450 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 3: So it's cool when I hear some songs and I 451 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 3: can think back to some of my time in LA 452 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 3: with vivid imagery. Because that song is playing, it's almost 453 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 3: like it. So that has become it's cool. What song 454 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 3: was playing? Oh, look it up here? Okay, it was 455 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 3: Blood Sweat Tears. If you guys want to listen to it, sure, 456 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 3: can we hear that? 457 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: Probably Blood Sweat Tears. 458 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 2: By what's that? 459 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: Bye? 460 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 2: Oh, this would be future okay. Yeah, But so that's that's. 461 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: Age difference when you don't know Sweat and Tears. That 462 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: was a huge band in the sixties, So that's where 463 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: we're differing here. 464 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 3: But we can don't know if there's any licensing agreement. 465 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 2: You have to get to play that now. 466 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: But well, I think UK will be okay. If not, 467 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: we can mute it out. So best football memory. 468 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 3: Hmm, you know, there's so many. I don't know if 469 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 3: I can say that. There was just a given. I've 470 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 3: gotten the opportunity to play alongside my brother, play for 471 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 3: my dad, coach alongside my brother and dad. Yeah, I 472 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 3: mean last year year at the draft, it was pretty 473 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 3: cool to see the fact that two teammates got to 474 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 3: interact as a part of the draft day call to say, hey, 475 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 3: we're gonna be playing together, and I get to be 476 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 3: the one to tell you that your dreams become a reality. 477 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 2: There's a lot along. 478 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 3: The way that's really really cool and I don't think 479 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 3: I can do what's that? 480 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, that was that was cool. That was a 481 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 2: good part of it for sure. 482 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, still to calm that, uh yeah, we're not 483 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 3: quite I don't know if we're fulfilled on that front yet. 484 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 3: I can tell you I'll leave a little cliffhanger. There's 485 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 3: definitely carrots I leave out in front of myself so that, well, yeah, 486 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 3: I was a part of a team that won a 487 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,959 Speaker 3: Super Bowl. The job's not done and I'm not satisfied, 488 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 3: and there's some things behind the scenes there that make 489 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 3: it so that I'm still hunting that up. And so yeah, 490 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 3: that's why I probably didn't include that on the list yet. 491 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: Last two are pretty easy. Sport other than football that 492 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: you were good at. 493 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 3: You know what, I've always enjoyed sport itself. Even being 494 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 3: bad at a sport, I would still say that having 495 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 3: a ball in. 496 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: Hand is. 497 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,239 Speaker 3: Probably what I enjoy most. I'll go this, I'll go 498 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 3: the sport I enjoyed. 499 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 2: The least, because, at least in. 500 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 3: My experience, I was like, man, you know what I 501 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 3: kind of like being with a group, kind of like 502 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 3: being with a team was. 503 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 2: Track and now I'm not fast, so that probably played 504 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 2: a part. 505 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 3: But standing out there in the blocks on your own, 506 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 3: I was like, man, you know, I'd like to be 507 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 3: able to celebrate with somebody right alongside somebody do this 508 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 3: with somebody. So that was kind of maybe one where 509 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 3: I was like, all right, that that might not be 510 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 3: my game. But yeah, I played basketball in high school, 511 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 3: considered playing basketball in college. I was at a Division 512 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 3: III school where I played football, so it wasn't out 513 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 3: of the realm of possibilities to play two sports. But 514 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 3: by the time I got through the fall, yeah, I 515 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 3: was like, you know what, I should probably just focus 516 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 3: my attention on football, knowing I'm not nearly as good 517 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 3: at basketball and it'll take some time before I see 518 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 3: the court, and I'm probably just getting in the way 519 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 3: of guys who are really committed to it, so let 520 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:31,239 Speaker 3: them take it. 521 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: Final question, person or people most responsible for you being here, 522 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: and it's. 523 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 2: Probably a long list. 524 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I think the easy ones, pointing to the 525 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 3: Sneed family Karen Less, obviously they were people that I 526 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 3: had recognized in the press conference for you know, altering 527 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 3: the trajectory of my life. I think my wife is 528 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 3: an easy answer. Her and I have spent more than 529 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 3: half of our lives together. So we met when we 530 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 3: were fifteen years old and have been together ever since. 531 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 3: And she definitely she is in fact my rock, but 532 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 3: she's in my phone as such. And I think without her, 533 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 3: I would be not anywhere near the human being that 534 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 3: I am. The balance that she strikes me with is 535 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 3: extremely helpful, the support, the love. 536 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 2: It goes. 537 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 3: It takes me to places that I never thought I 538 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 3: could reach. And then obviously I think my parents, my siblings, 539 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 3: they're all people who have made it so. 540 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 2: I never had to ride alone. 541 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 3: I've never had to ride so low, and I'm very 542 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 3: thankful for that. 543 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: I knew this would be great. I could talk to 544 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: you three hours. I'm not going to ask you for 545 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: that kind of time. James Gladstone, thank you so much 546 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: for joining the ozone podcast. This is terrific. 547 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 2: I appreciate it very much. Until the next one, thank you.