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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: Bar and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it, joined as always

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Speaker 2: our bar. Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barr. He

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Speaker 2: answered the question yesterday and Evan, excuse me, I want

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Speaker 2: to start with this. I don't care. I do not

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Speaker 2: care if the Patriots name of GM anymore. I I

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Speaker 2: couldn't care less. You couldn't care less. Yeah, name him

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Speaker 2: whoever you want. I don't care. Elliott Wall's title can

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Speaker 2: be whatever he wants it to be.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna We're gonna talk about I talk about something.

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Speaker 2: We have the answer to. Who has final say? That's

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Speaker 2: all I cared about. I don't need a fit. Give

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Speaker 2: him the fancy titles all you want. I have my answer.

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Speaker 2: I'm good. We move on.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now who's calling the shots? That's fair. It's Evan Lazarre,

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Speaker 1: Alex Barth. Patriots Catch twenty two, next two hours with you.

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Speaker 1: Phone lines are open eight five five PATS five hundred,

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Speaker 1: web radio at Patriots dot com. We already have people

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Speaker 1: from North Carolina emailing into.

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Speaker 2: The North Carolina people.

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Speaker 1: This is a rivalry now me versus North Carolina. It's

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Speaker 1: it's a deep rooted ribery.

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Speaker 2: It's so weird because.

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Speaker 1: Only people from North Carolina are allowed to have an

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Speaker 2: No, but usually with this stuff like take J. J. McCarthy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: when I talk about JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: Only people from Michigan are allowed to have opinion.

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Speaker 2: But the Michigan fans foam at the mouth, How dare

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Speaker 2: you insult my quarterback? Some of them will even say,

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Speaker 2: I get he's not great, but I'm gonna defend him

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Speaker 2: because I wrote for Michigan with Drake May. It's the

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Speaker 2: opposite everybody else like maybe maybe there's something to that

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Speaker 2: where everybody else likes him, But the UNC fans keep

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Speaker 2: calling them me like he's my quarterback, let me talk

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Speaker 2: about my quarterback. That's usually where the college football fans

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Speaker 2: set up some insane excuse and then they're like, hey.

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Speaker 1: Sucks, Well we'll get to it. And we're also going

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Speaker 1: to get to some wide receiver tiers. Yep, tears. I've

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Speaker 1: made my way through about fifteen of these guys at

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Speaker 1: this point, I've whittled it down to ten or eleven,

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Speaker 2: Are we doing recency buyas today.

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Speaker 1: So we're doing recency bias, We're doing tiers. Uh, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna do a lot of draft talk. But I do

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Speaker 1: want to open with the first public comments for offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator Alex van Pelt. Yesterday, the team put out a

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Speaker 1: little teaser, a little minute thirty second clip on social

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Speaker 1: media on x of Alex van Pelt talking about his

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Speaker 1: And we're going to dissect a couple of the quotes

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Speaker 2: Alex.

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Speaker 1: He wrote something about this on ninety eighty five, just

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Speaker 1: dissecting the quotes. But my big picture takeaway, and this

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Speaker 1: big picture takeaway about this Alex van Pelt clip. Finally,

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Speaker 1: thank you, for the love of God, somebody in this

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Speaker 1: organization is telling me how they're gonna win a football

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Speaker 1: game come next fall, because so far, all we've heard

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Speaker 1: is about mending bridges and silos and collaboration and all

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Speaker 1: this this this corporate speak this this mumbo jumbo about

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Speaker 1: how you know we're gonna we're gonna redefine the chemistry

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Speaker 1: or the the culture, I guess is the better word.

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Speaker 2: In New England.

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Speaker 1: And there's a there's a place for all of that.

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Speaker 1: And I understand that coming off of four win season,

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Speaker 1: there's a place for that. But the one thing that

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Speaker 2: Stat should never do that, especially not at the end

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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll get to the super Bowl. Okay, all right,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't want to lead with the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: You can leave that right for me. But the goal

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Speaker 1: of running the ball, to have that be what everything

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Speaker 1: I don't mind that at all. At least it's a vision.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Alex van Pelt.

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Speaker 1: Someone talks about football in this freaking building, and I'm

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Speaker 1: What were your general takeaways because I'm clearly more fired

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Speaker 2: So football guy first and foremost, football guy. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: essentially touched on four topics. The first was he did

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Speaker 2: that was one of the big selling points when they

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Speaker 2: So I won't read the whole quote on that, but

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Speaker 2: you know, making sure he knows we're playing for each other.

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Speaker 1: Fine, we'll play for each other first and foremost. The

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Speaker 1: It's so simple, that's my point, right, It's so simple.

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Speaker 1: me exactly. You know, we're gonna draft Raak May and

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Speaker 1: then we're gonna do this, and then we're gonna do it. No,

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Speaker 1: He talked about his scheme. This was one of the

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Speaker 1: a good coordinator does what's best for his players. I

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Speaker 2: So how many times Evan and let me backtrack, When

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Speaker 2: the Patriots were at their peak, one of the things

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Speaker 2: they were the best at. I mean, nobody did this

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Speaker 2: go find a guy. Yeah, and I always use Kyle

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Speaker 2: Vannoy have an example of this, because the Lions had

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Speaker 2: no idea what they were doing with Kyle Van nooid.

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Speaker 2: The draft him, was it second round, third round? Patriots

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Speaker 2: go out, they get him for nothing, and they are like,

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Speaker 2: you can do this one specific thing really well, like

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Speaker 2: have this like these three responsibilities and that's it. And

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Speaker 2: he was really good at them. Yeah, and there's players

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Speaker 2: like that sprinkled all over the dynasty where maybe big picture,

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Speaker 2: that is going to elevate within our scheme, that is

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Speaker 2: going to elevate his play, and it's gonna elevate our

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Speaker 2: football team. The last five years, the Patriots became one

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Speaker 2: How many times, Evan, did they sign or draft a

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Speaker 2: thousand yarders here if they used him correctly, No, probably not,

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Speaker 2: I'm saying that this is what they were doing. So

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Speaker 2: And we were texting about this yesterday and you said

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't love the idea. Not to cut you off,

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Speaker 1: but just on that point, I don't love the idea

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Speaker 1: But right, like I, Matt Patrician is like the extreme

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Speaker 2: But I don't think that's what he's saying, because he says, like,

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Speaker 2: you have your scheme. I think it's for instance, the

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Speaker 2: Detroit Lions, yea, right, were they using David Montgomery in

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Speaker 2: to maximize Jamir gibbs skill set Like I hear you, right.

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Speaker 2: So some of that I think factors, Like I think

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Speaker 2: Absolutely so, and that's that's kind of how I read

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Speaker 2: you know what we're gonna I'm gonna take my core

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Speaker 2: there's nobody in this scheme that I'm looking at that

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Speaker 1: That like we need to build it this way because

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Speaker 2: whoever that is this offseason. Yeah, but that guy's not

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Speaker 2: No, you're not, you're not.

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Speaker 2: They don't have any strains. But but you're saying what

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Speaker 2: They would just be like, this is what we have

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Speaker 2: in mind for you to do, and you're just gonna

435
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Speaker 2: do it. They didn't. It's like they didn't look at

436
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Speaker 2: the results. They were just like, this is what you're doing,

437
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 2: and whether it works or not, we're just gonna have

438
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Speaker 2: you keep doing it because that's what we want you

439
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Speaker 2: to do. Where this Van pell quote to me is like, oh, hey,

440
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,640
Speaker 2: like you showed an ability to do this, let's emphasize

441
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 2: that more like, hey, this one thing isn't working. Perfect example,

442
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Speaker 2: and I know Matt Patricia's the extreme. Yeah, the freaking

443
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 2: fake screen pump left, turnback, screen right, and everybody was

444
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 2: sitting on it. They never went away from it. To me,

445
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Speaker 2: for Van Pelt, this is basically like, all right, that's

446
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Speaker 2: not working. What else can we do? Like, I'm not

447
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Speaker 2: married to this being a core play of mind. If

448
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Speaker 2: it's not working, is there some other way we can

449
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Speaker 2: get the desired impact with something we have more successful?

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Speaker 1: So the way I took the quote, it's flexibility, that's

451
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Speaker 1: as to me, it's flexibility right. The way that I

452
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Speaker 1: more took the quote, and I just I think to

453
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Speaker 1: me the biggest point is is just that it's it's

454
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Speaker 1: a blank canvas anyways, so you might as well just

455
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Speaker 1: get the players that fit the scheme that he has

456
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Speaker 1: foundationally run in the past. But I think my bigger

457
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Speaker 1: takeaway from the quote is if you have such a

458
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Speaker 1: talented player, we can continue with Jayden Daniels. Let's just say,

459
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Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels is so talented that if you are worth

460
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Speaker 1: a dam as a coach in the NFL, you will

461
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Speaker 1: make it work with a player that talented. And I

462
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Speaker 1: think that that's a good philosophy, where how good of

463
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Speaker 1: a coach really, how good is the scheme? How good

464
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Speaker 1: of a coach are you really if you can't take

465
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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson and turn him into a good player, And

466
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Speaker 1: that I totally agree with. I just think that there's

467
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Speaker 1: an element of it that you have to recognize that

468
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Speaker 1: not everybody is Lamar Jackson, you know, and some of

469
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Speaker 1: these guys are gonna be a rung or.

470
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Speaker 2: Two below that talent level.

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Speaker 1: And I think that ultimately I would just much rather

472
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Speaker 1: them build it out in the vision of this is

473
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Speaker 1: how we're gonna play offense, this is what we're gonna do,

474
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Speaker 1: then saying we have to draft this guy because he's

475
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Speaker 1: just so damn talented, and we don't really have a plan.

476
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Speaker 2: For No, you need a plan forever you draft. But

477
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Speaker 2: let me ask you this, how similar would you say

478
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Speaker 2: the Houston Texans offense was last year to the traditional

479
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Speaker 2: Niners offense?

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Speaker 1: Similar, similar, but which they're again like their core philosophies

481
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Speaker 1: and their their foundational stable elements.

482
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Speaker 2: And you're not gonna change that. But they definitely did

483
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Speaker 2: things that are departures from the Shanahan offense that were

484
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Speaker 2: specifically built into what CJ. Stroud does well, probably, and

485
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Speaker 2: they made adjustments to that offense to tailor to the quarterback.

486
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, and that's what good teams do.

487
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Speaker 2: I've said this time and time again, the good teams

488
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Speaker 2: support their quarterbacks. And that brings us to another quote

489
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Speaker 2: from Van Pelt. Quarterback plays a big part of what

490
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Speaker 2: I believe in Shockers, a former NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, quarterback plays a big part of what I believe in,

492
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Speaker 1: putting him in a position to be successful. And if

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Speaker 1: you can make that guy be successful, oftentimes your offense

494
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Speaker 1: is successful. So remember at the beginning of twenty two,

495
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Speaker 1: they're trying to make Mac Jones like Aaron Rodgers. Yes,

496
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Speaker 1: this basically is like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not gonna do that. Yeah, this is I'm

498
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Speaker 2: going so in the context.

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Speaker 1: Of the other ones, my favorite quote of the whole thing, and.

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Speaker 2: In this I guess I think this is what I

501
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Speaker 2: was trying to say. But I think he has this

502
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Speaker 2: approach for all positions is and I think he's gonna

503
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Speaker 2: stick to his core philosophy. But within that core foundation,

504
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Speaker 2: I think foundation is a good word because you build

505
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Speaker 2: off a foundation. Yea. Within that foundation, how can I

506
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Speaker 2: maximize what my quarterback does best and how can I

507
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Speaker 2: minimize what he doesn't? And that I think, in its core,

508
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Speaker 2: is a big part of the difference between teams that

509
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Speaker 2: successfully developed quarterbacks and teams that don't. And that is

510
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Speaker 2: such a welcome sign after they spent the last two

511
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Speaker 2: years putting both of their quarterbacks Mac Jones and Bailey's Appy,

512
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Speaker 2: putting both of them through an absolute gauntlet for no

513
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Speaker 2: reason whatsoever, to see Van Pelt say, yeah, no, we

514
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Speaker 2: want to put ourquarterback in the position to be successful.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you also just want And what I like

516
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Speaker 1: most about the quote is that you're right, everything that

517
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Speaker 1: you do organizationally moving forward should be about the quarterback. Yes, offensive,

518
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Speaker 1: and that doesn't mean the quarterback the playmakers around him. Like,

519
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Speaker 1: if you draft, you know, a certain quarterback like a

520
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Speaker 1: Drake may j and whoever, they are going to want

521
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Speaker 1: to play with certain types of receivers, right, You're not

522
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Speaker 1: going to put an inaccurate quarterback with you know, a

523
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Speaker 1: certain type of receiver. And I'm not saying either one

524
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Speaker 1: of them are inaccurate. I'm just saying in general, if

525
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Speaker 1: you have a quarterback, like I think Michael Pennix is

526
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Speaker 1: an easier example, just because he's so cut and dry.

527
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Speaker 1: If you have a quarterback that really needs to be

528
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Speaker 1: in a vertically based passing offense and wants to amplify

529
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Speaker 1: down the field accuracy and things like that, go get

530
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Speaker 1: yourself some vertical route runners, you know, get some guys

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Speaker 1: that can win down the field. You don't draft a

532
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Speaker 1: guy like a Jacob Cowing, who's just a you know, yeah,

533
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Speaker 1: you don't, you know, Jack Wes Welker, right exactly, when

534
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: you have Michael Pennix, right, Like, that's the point. And

535
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Speaker 1: we did this with Mac And I'm just gonna get

536
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Speaker 1: ahead of it because people are gonna say, oh, so

537
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Speaker 1: the quarterback sucks.

538
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Speaker 2: He needs to be propped up that's every team. That's

539
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Speaker 2: what every good team does. The Baltimore Ravens offense is

540
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 2: Taylor to Lamar Jackson. The Buffalo Bill's offense is Taylor

541
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Speaker 2: to Josh Allen. The Kansas City Chiefs when they had

542
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: an offense was Taylor to Patrick. Now it just Patrick

543
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: Mahomes doing whatever and there's nobody else. But back in

544
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Speaker 2: the day, it was Taylor to Patrick Mahomes. This is

545
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Speaker 2: what every good team does. You baby the quarterback a

546
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Speaker 2: little bit, especially when it comes to the scheme. There's

547
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Speaker 2: nothing wrong with that. It doesn't say anything less about

548
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Speaker 2: the quarterback. But smart teams put their quarterbacks in a

549
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Speaker 2: position to succeed. Because Van Pelt said this, and he

550
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Speaker 2: said it seriously, I thought he was being tongue in

551
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Speaker 2: cheek because it's an objectively funny line, and I think

552
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Speaker 2: could be construed as a shot at the older team.

553
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Speaker 2: If you can make your quarterback successful, oftentimes your offense

554
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Speaker 2: is successful. Yeah. Yes, that is the NFL in twenty

555
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: twenty four. Uh, thank god, we have one football guy

556
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: the last quote, one guy that actually wants to talk

557
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: some freaking ball. I also wanted a high five Alex

558
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: Fan Pelt for this one, mostly because I wish I

559
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: could have seen your reaction when you first heard it.

560
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: Oh God, you know, I think running the football in

561
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: this league wins games, wins championships. Being able to.

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Speaker 1: Do that late and he's got to run the ball.

563
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: Got to run the ball. I mean, you've got to

564
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Speaker 1: control the clock, kind of control the pays. Body blows out.

565
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Speaker 2: But Evan Bevan stops stop. Revision is history. We spent

566
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Speaker 2: last week. We spent time last week. Okay, we spent

567
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: time last week talking about how one of his core

568
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: philosophies run the ball to set up that play action.

569
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Speaker 2: That's where explosives come from. This could not come of

570
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Speaker 2: a surprise, come as a surprise. I would say, forgot

571
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Speaker 2: that's coached in Green Bay. For guy that's coached in Cleveland.

572
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 2: I he you probably hate this concept running the ball

573
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Speaker 2: in the north this season. This is where you lose me.

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Speaker 1: Twenty eighteen Patriots, Evan, this is where you lose twenty

575
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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen Patriots won the Super Bowl because Tom Brady

576
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: went like a million for a million on third down

577
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. Okay, that's why the twenty eighteen Patriots

578
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Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl.

579
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: The Los Angeles Chargers did not want to tackle Tony

580
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: Michelle that day, and they did not have a throw

581
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: in the bars, and they did not have.

582
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Speaker 1: A soft team running from LA.

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Speaker 2: There are times if you were gonna win football games

584
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Speaker 2: playing in Cleveland, Wisconsin, Boston, Foxboro, New York, whatever, if

585
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: you're gonna win late that year.

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Speaker 1: I just think that that is not there's no factual

587
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Speaker 1: evidence that that is true.

588
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: There isn't.

589
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: It's anecdotal, like you can sit there and say, oh, yeah,

590
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen Patriots ran the ball in the Los

591
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Speaker 1: Angeles charters.

592
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: Sure they did. They also went three for three on

593
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: third total evidences. For years, every year people win it

594
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: the first cold game. Everybody asked the running backs and

595
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: the defensive players, what's it like running the football and

596
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: the cold, And the running backs always say I love

597
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: it because those guys don't want to hit, and the

598
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: defensive guys always hard to tackle in the.

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Speaker 1: I think that's an old football cliche that's been drilled

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Speaker 1: in Stevens in that last year. Yeah, because that's that's

601
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: what they've been told since now. But you don't think

602
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: they want to see tough. You don't think one of

603
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: these defensive guys would be like, no, it doesn't matter. Like, no,

604
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: there is for a team like the New England Patriots

605
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: late in the year, there's gonna be one or two

606
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: times where they're gonna need to be able to run

607
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: the football in order to win a game. That's just

608
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: that's that's how I'm not as anti running the football

609
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: as I come across. I'm anti running the football for

610
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: those stupid old cliche reasons like oh, we have to

611
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, cold weather, gotta run the ball, got to

612
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: control of the clock. No, what you want to do, Like,

613
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: good teams run the football, There's no doubt about that.

614
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: Like you look at the the rushing leaders this past year.

615
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: You know, you have Baltimore up there, you have Detroit

616
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: up there, you have San Francisco up there, Like there's

617
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: no doubt about it that the good teams run the ball. Yeah,

618
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: but the good teams run the ball for different reasons

619
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: than what like Detroit play isn't a dump, Like they

620
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: don't give a crap because of the weather. San Francisco

621
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: plays in California. Do you think that they can't they

622
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: they're running the ball because it might get twenty degrees

623
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: and it might not.

624
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: The reason teams run the ball. I'm saying that, like

625
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: how many times during the dynasty with the Patriots play

626
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: some bad team but they had a good secondary it

627
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: was cold and it was windy, and then it happened

628
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: to second party. Anyway, you can't be surprised that Alex Manpel.

629
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Speaker 1: Wants to know and I want him to run the football.

630
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: I just want them to run the football for the

631
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: right reasons. That's it, like the right reasons to run

632
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: the ball.

633
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 2: He's not He's not gonna come out and say we

634
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: want to run the ball to set up I mean.

635
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Speaker 1: It's not just about setting play action though. It's just

636
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: like that's your basis of your foundational offense, right yeah,

637
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: and that's just how you kind of marry everything up,

638
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: and that's how third down fits into first and second

639
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: and always.

640
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Speaker 2: Gonna talk about all that in one minute.

641
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: No, I'm not asking him to, Okay, I'm just saying, like,

642
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be a team that runs the football

643
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: for the reasons that you're spelling out that they you know,

644
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: the old reason.

645
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's all the reasons.

646
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Speaker 1: You're going to say that's part of it, then you're

647
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: gonna score seventeen points.

648
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's part of it. I'm like, no,

649
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Speaker 2: but there are games and this is an extreme example,

650
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Speaker 2: Buffalo win game. There is there's one or two games

651
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Speaker 2: one year, exactly.

652
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: It's one extreme exam.

653
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Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with having that club in your bag. I'm

654
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Speaker 2: not saying go to it all the time, sixty degree wedge.

655
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 1: No, this is one thing that I hope that I

656
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: can drill out of you someday. Never It just this,

657
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: this this old, archaic, antiquated way, all right.

658
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: One speaking of which remonder seems is gonna be great

659
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: fit in his offense. It feels like I hope.

660
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: So, I mean, look, I think the biggest thing with

661
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: Ramandre is I don't think that he's totally not a

662
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: fit for outside zone. Obviously, outside zone traditionally is a

663
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: speedback game, right because you have to be able to

664
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: get the edge, like that's your foundation is being able

665
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: to threaten the edge. And that's obviously not his game.

666
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: But I do think that he does a really good

667
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: job of reading the middle of the field, and you know,

668
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: between the tackles, blocks and the combos and things like that,

669
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: where he can be a one cutting up the field.

670
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: Type of runner in an outside zone scheme. It's not

671
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: he's not Jamiir Gibbs. He's not Raheem Moster, you know, like,

672
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: he's not one of those guys. And that's fine, But

673
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Speaker 1: I do think they are going to need one of

674
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: those guys if they are going to be outside zone heavy.

675
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: Not to say that Remandre is not gonna have a

676
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: role in the offense, because he certainly will, but otherwise,

677
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: you I think you are more gap heavy, which Cleveland

678
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: has been the last couple of years. Like they they

679
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: haven't been at quite as outside zone bootleg like that

680
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: hasn't been them the last year.

681
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: But because I don't and yeah, traditionally outside zone speed.

682
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: But part of my basis in saying that is like,

683
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: is Nick Chubb the fastest guy in the league.

684
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: No, but Nick Chubb is definitely more explosive.

685
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I don't. I mean, I think it's

686
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: Nick Chubbs. I would say there's similar kinds of right,

687
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: Nick Schubb's a better player, but.

688
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: Not to get like too far into the weeds. But

689
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: that's what we do a little about. So there's wide zone, yeah,

690
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: and then there's like mid zone, right, So wide zone

691
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: is truly, your end point is off tackle right, like

692
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: you're trying to get outside the numbers and then cut

693
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: it back up across the middle through the middle of

694
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: the field when that is open mid zone is more

695
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: like we're target getting the hip of the tackle right

696
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: inside him, right, So we're gonna aim point right at

697
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: like the sea gap between the tight end and the tackle,

698
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna find that those crevices in the

699
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: middle there that I think is what more Remandre is

700
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: a fit for, because you're not quite stretching it all

701
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: the way out to the outside. If you want to

702
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: be a stretched team, if you want to be like

703
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: a wide zone stretch team, then you do need those

704
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: track guys like that's oh yeah.

705
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is, like what they were having

706
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: Nick Chubb do the last couple of years, I think

707
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 2: is realistic. I agree that that, like those are all

708
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: realistic assignments from here Stevenson, and then I'd like to

709
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: see them pair him with a guy that's made him

710
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: more like a low four forced guy to do some

711
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: of that other stuff. Yeah, get a little thunder and

712
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: lightning kind of, I agree.

713
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Speaker 1: I agree, all right, before we get into some of

714
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: the draft off and take some of these calls and

715
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: all that stuff. We see the phone lines. We're gonna

716
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: get you guys. And once I do want to talk

717
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: briefly about the super Bowl. We we did watch the

718
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: super Bowl together, yeah, and it was it was a

719
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: good time. I don't really want to talk too much

720
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: about you know.

721
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure you don't, but I will.

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Speaker 1: I will say this for Kyle Shanahan. I'm not going

723
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: to defend him too hard today because I'm just over it.

724
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: But that's why I think my biggest takeawy because I

725
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: did watch their offensive film back just out of curiosity.

726
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: I think my biggest takeaway is that I might have

727
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: been wrong about one thing. And this isn't about Kyle.

728
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: This is just more like a general thing about I

729
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: might have been wrong about one thing, and that is

730
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: the Niners got taken to school on third down by

731
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: Steve Steve Spagnolo. Yes, and a big reason why they

732
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: did is because the quarterback in Kyle Shanahan's offense, and

733
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: then that offense. Maybe and maybe this is a brock

734
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: party thing, which I'm more than happy to god he's horrible,

735
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: but maybe maybe that this was a Brock party thing.

736
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: And I say it's a brock party thing. I don't

737
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: mean because he stinks. I mean because he's a second

738
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: year quarterback. So they don't give any controls at the

739
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage to the quarterback in terms of protections

740
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: and things like that. So they come to the line

741
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: of scrimage, the center handles all of those calls. So

742
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: what was happening was is that they would slide the

743
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: protection and they were getting it wrong the whole time.

744
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: You know, spags isn't disguising blitz obviously, but there is

745
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: multiple times in this game where the Niners had the

746
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: numbers to pick up a blitz, but they didn't have

747
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: their people pointed in the right direction. And I think

748
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: a big part of the problem for this Kyle Shanahan

749
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: offense is that they are kind of a do what

750
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: you do type of offense, like this is what we're

751
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: good at, this is the scheme, this is what we're

752
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, capable of doing, and there isn't enough of

753
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: that at the line of scrimmage type of stuff. So

754
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: I guess where what I'm saying is is that I've

755
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: been a proponent of the Patriots need to take stuff

756
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: off the quarterback's plate. There's too much on the quarterback.

757
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: But this is the extreme where you see that when

758
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: you get into a defensive chess match with a really

759
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: good defensive coordinator like Spags, this is where it can

760
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: hurt you. And so there's gotta be if you're Kyle

761
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: Shanahan and the Niners moving forward and for the Patriots

762
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: and all that, you know, spinning it always to New England,

763
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: there has to be a middle ground of it's all

764
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: on the quarterback to set everything and see everything pre snap,

765
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: and none of it is because Purdy is just sitting there.

766
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: Trent McDuffie's coming through unblocked on a blitz on the

767
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: big third down late in the game, and he's just

768
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: a he has no idea it's coming because in his head,

769
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: he's not really thinking about the protection, right, He's not

770
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: thinking about the direction. He's reading the coverage shell. He's

771
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: looking at what they're supposed to be able to do,

772
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: and he's expecting his center to be able to handle it.

773
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: And I think there has to be a little bit

774
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: more of a balance there. I wouldn't go to quite

775
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: the extreme of let's give it all to David Andrews

776
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: and let's forget about the quarterback having any control. The

777
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: quarterback has to have some semblance of awareness of what's

778
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: going on in the protection.

779
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 2: And if in defensive brock Purty and co. The quarterback

780
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: in that situation, there's so much going on at the

781
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage and you have such little time if

782
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: you're not in charge with setting that it's easy to

783
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: see why you wouldn't think about that, right, So I

784
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 2: do think just for the mental exercise of it. I

785
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: I I've been getting tweets people want me to take

786
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 2: you to town on this.

787
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: I'll just say this, take me to town. Because he

788
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: lost to Patrick Mahomes in overtime, he is.

789
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: Now as a coordinator and head coach as a play

790
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: caller oher and three in Super Bowls in which he

791
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: has a double digger lead.

792
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: Okay that this is so, its not a coincidence. He

793
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: was up ten to nothing in the first quarter. Okay,

794
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: it's a completely different game.

795
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: So I'll speak I will speak your language here. I

796
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 2: will speak your language here. In all three of those games,

797
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 2: his team's winning like projected win percentage was eighty eight

798
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: percent or higher with less than ten minutes sorry the

799
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: game I'm not.

800
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm not holding it against him. Like a ten nothing

801
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: lead against Patrick Mahomes is not the same as a

802
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: ten nothing lead in in a different game.

803
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 2: I'm using your language. I'm talking about the math. Evan. No,

804
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: you're not. What do you mean, I'm not.

805
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: No, you're you're you're trying to this the whole come

806
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: up with a different argument. The double digit thing is

807
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: ridiculous in this game.

808
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: That's okay. So I just gave you win percentage.

809
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: It was ten minutes to go, it was ten to

810
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: three at half time. I just gave you win percentage

811
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: less than ten minutes to go. All right, Fine, how

812
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: about this.

813
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 2: Offensive genius Kyle Shanahan, Right, yes, couldn't score more than

814
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: nineteen points in regulation. Well, it's a very good defense.

815
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: He scored two more points in regulation against the Chiefs

816
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 2: than the Patriots did this year.

817
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: I just really hope that Kyle, for Kyle Shanahan's sake,

818
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: I just really hope that he finds a way to

819
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: get his Matthew Stafford, like get a quarterback.

820
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: He had that chance and he said, no, thank you,

821
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to trade up for Trey Lance.

822
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: It is extremely difficult to go into a game with

823
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: that sizeable of a gap at the quarterback battle, the

824
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: quarterback matchup and expecting what he was doing, and he

825
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: was really really dark.

826
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: But he was doing it all year. He's winning with

827
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 2: Brock Party all year.

828
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: But when you get to the games in the playoffs,

829
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: in spite of Rock Party, when you get to the

830
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: big game, he's done it in an NFC championship too.

831
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 2: He did against the Rams. He had a late double

832
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 2: digit lead against the Rams and lost in I just

833
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: told you whatever year that was.

834
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: He needs to be more flexible on offense.

835
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 2: Needs to be which I've been telling you for a

836
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 2: long time, because that's what that's what the math does.

837
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: The math doesn't allow you to be flexible.

838
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I just think that their skies.

839
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: I think they're really really confident in their scheme. They

840
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: really believe in what they do offensively. I think the

841
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: third down in overtime is a great example. They had

842
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: a play call to pop the center on a on

843
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: a cover zero blitz, like it made no sense.

844
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: Okay, But here's like you have to go to because

845
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: I've said this to you. His nose is so deep

846
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: in the spreadsheet and in the play sheet and that's

847
00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: track of what's going on in the game.

848
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: Maybe, but I just I don't think that he found

849
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: the right quarterback because he in the quarterback in eighteen

850
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: and he had the MVP. A quarterback will get to

851
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and see this is play that

852
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: we have called is not going to work.

853
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: But you just said that he's not allowed to check out.

854
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: Of that I and I think that that has comes

855
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 1: with trust from the quarterback position, and maybe maybe it does.

856
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: Maybe he does need to lessen.

857
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: Matt and Ryan was in league MVP. He was a

858
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: veteran quarterback in twenty eighteen. He does not check out, okay?

859
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: With Dante high Tower.

860
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: Twenty eight to three, Alex was like such a ridiculous anomaly,

861
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: Like it's such a.

862
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: But you're not anomally when it's now happened three times

863
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: and that is the worst one. But four times in

864
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: these big games he has continually blown big leads the

865
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 2: quarter to Patrick Mahomes is not at a certain point, okay,

866
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: but he only scored nineteen points in the game.

867
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: It was a one score game at halftime. You're acting

868
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: like they were up by three times.

869
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: He only scored nineteen points in regulation. If he's this

870
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 2: offense genius, we face a really good Chiefs team two

871
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: more points is Kyle Shanahan. You're not even becoming at

872
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: the argument correctly. I am no, you're not. I am up.

873
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: You're talking about ship. That doesn't matter because he I

874
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: just laid out why they lost the game. They lost

875
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: the game because he got too cute in his own offense. Yes,

876
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: he's too married to the What I'm saying is you're

877
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: acting like you're acting like he just did it this

878
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: one time.

879
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: That's what's happened every time they've flown these leads. It's

880
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: because Kyle Shanahan gets too cute in his own offense

881
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: and stop scoring points. It's what happened in a But they.

882
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,959
Speaker 1: Didn't stop stop scoring points. They had a touchdown driving,

883
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: they scored to go up, they kicked the field goal,

884
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: and then they kicked another field goal in overtime.

885
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: They scored.

886
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: They situationally even, they scored out about right.

887
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: They scored two more points in regulation against the Chiefs

888
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: than the Patriots did this year. That's such a bad argument.

889
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 2: Why Because it's a different game. It's a different game,

890
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: it's a big game. These guys that we talk about.

891
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: Here's how we were talking at different points in this game,

892
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: that that the kicker might be the m v P. Yeah, okay,

893
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: it was a different game.

894
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 2: You can't. But it didn't.

895
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: You didn't just say, okay, but Kyle Shanahan is this

896
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: great offensive genius.

897
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 2: Why was it that kind of game? That's my point.

898
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 1: They played really, you know, I'm not sitting here saying

899
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: that Kyle Shanahan should never coach in the NFL. Again,

900
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: I think people confuse my Kyle Shanahan take with like

901
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: my Brandon Staley take or my Adam Gaze take.

902
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: This is different. Kyle Shanahan is a good offensive mind,

903
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: but there's a difference between being a coordinator and a

904
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: head coach. And this is the problem with Kyle Shanahan.

905
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: They come out in the second half past past pass, punt,

906
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: past past, past, punt, past past past. That's also just

907
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: not true.

908
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: Like you on the third five band in the run thing, God,

909
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: I hate Tony on the.

910
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: Third I don't like Tony. I don't remember what you

911
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: said about.

912
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: It because he said that they started to abandon the run.

913
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: They did not. They did not the ball twenty times

914
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: in the second five at the end of regulation, they

915
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: had a chance. You either run the ball or you

916
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: call a screen or something. The Chiefs were burning timeouts.

917
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: You knew one way or the other. You were about

918
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: to give the ball back to Patrick Mahomes with the

919
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: chance to either tie or win the game, and they

920
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: call that low. They take their fourth receiver lined up

921
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: with the other team's best corner and they call a

922
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: one red throw if you hand the ball to Christian McCaffrey,

923
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 2: or you call a screen or a very high percentage pass.

924
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: In that situation, the Chiefs the slant to on the

925
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: third and five.

926
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: They so they threw it to an all pro receiver

927
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: and that's supposed to be this like horrible play call.

928
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: Oh do you mean that he didn't pick it up.

929
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 2: No, that's in overtime.

930
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 1: No, that wasn't an overtime. That was in the and Trent.

931
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: McDuffie broke up the pass. It wasn't that playing.

932
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 1: Yes, it was he blitzed and he broke up the pass.

933
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: He bided the pass down.

934
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: No, because he's broken up at the catch point. I

935
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: don't know it's player talking about. It was the third

936
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: and five on the before they kicked the field goal

937
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: to go up nineteen sixteen. Anyway, the point being whatever

938
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: you want to say there, the primary objective in that

939
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: situation needs to be to make the Chiefs burn another

940
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: time out of burn another forty seconds. Why because you

941
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: cannot give the ball back?

942
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: Why are you pressed with the clock trying to score

943
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: points and win the damn game?

944
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 2: Like? What? What?

945
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: What's the point like this is because you just sata

946
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: you just said, you just said it's a different kind

947
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: of game.

948
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: At that point it had been established that it was

949
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: a different kind of game. And in that kind of game,

950
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: you do not give the ball back to that guy

951
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: with that much time on the clock. Your primary same

952
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: thing with overtime. We haven't even gotten overtime yet.

953
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: I would really enjoy to actually score in a football

954
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: game instead of worry about I.

955
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: Would Kyle Kyahan decided I'm going to run what I

956
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 2: want to run, regardless of whether a scoring or not.

957
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: So it'd be as you said, it had become that

958
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 2: kind of game. It was well established at that point

959
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: it was that kind of game. You cannot give the

960
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 2: ball back. These arguments that you were making below.

961
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: That I'm making that is just the talking. You want

962
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: to give the ball what everybody makes it about. And

963
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: this is because right we don't even argue about the

964
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: right things. This is what everybody makes this about with

965
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: with these types of talks to me about overtime, aren't

966
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 1: even okay overtime. I see both sides of the logic,

967
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: I really do. I think that at the end of

968
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: the day, you probably want to I want to the

969
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: ball second. But I think the reason why you want

970
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: the ball second is because teams like the Chiefs, teams

971
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: should be like the forty nine ers, Ye are gonna

972
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: go for two. So even if you score that touchdown,

973
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: I think that the Chiefs were gonna go down, score a.

974
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: Touchdown and go for two.

975
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: So that that point, you know, playing for the third

976
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: possession and theory makes sense, But there might not be

977
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: a third possession.

978
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: So that's it. That's it. That that's that's the whole thing.

979
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: There's one good argument I've heard evan for taking the

980
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 2: ball second, yes, or taking the ball first, and that

981
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: is the defense had just been on the field when

982
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 2: Mahome was went out. But Shanahan doesn't get to bend

983
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 2: for the doubt on that because he said after the

984
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 2: game he listened to the nerds, and the nerds told

985
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: him to take the ball, and you can. The third

986
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: possession is not guaranteed in the NFL. You cannot bank

987
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: on something that is not guaranteed. That's not the way

988
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 2: the sport works. You cannot go out there and say

989
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: we are going to give Patrick Mahomes the ball second.

990
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 2: That is such a mind blowingly. I'm not gonna necessarily

991
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: rip the math specifically for this surprise surprise, but to

992
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 2: quote Felger, because he's right about this, if you're gonna

993
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: have the nerds, you'd better have the best nerds. And

994
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: after hearing Shanahan say that, I'll tell you this, the

995
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: forty nine ers do not have the best nerds.

996
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 1: Are terribles, just stacked and they different. It's it's a different,

997
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: it's terrible. What does the stacked roster mean? If you

998
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: choke and puke all over yourself in the biggest game, Okay,

999
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: all right, choking puke all over yourself is a is

1000
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: a massive exaggeration of what happened in that game.

1001
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: You can't.

1002
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: They literally lost the game we just talked about. They

1003
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: just talked about, we just talked about.

1004
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: This was van pell You can't. It doesn't matter who

1005
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: the players are, if you're not using all of this.

1006
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: Overtime decisions, all of these clock management decisions, they lost

1007
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: the game on third down. It's that simple. They lost

1008
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: the game on third down when they had the ball

1009
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: on third down at the end of regulation and in overtime,

1010
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: they had two big third downs in scoring territory and

1011
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: they didn't pick up either of them. But that's why

1012
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: they lost the game.

1013
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: If you're not getting the third downs, and this goes

1014
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: to the one in regulation, at least make sure you

1015
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: keep the clock running. This is my point. These are

1016
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: things good coaches consider. I just the completely the car

1017
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: the clock.

1018
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: It's third and four right with like three minutes to

1019
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: get and everybody wants them to hand the ball off

1020
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: to Christian McCaffrey or call it.

1021
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 2: A screen or what if Kyle, If Kyle Shanahan is

1022
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 2: this absolutely generation he design to try to pick up

1023
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 2: the first down.

1024
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: Oh he didn't call a play to fish that up

1025
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: fourth and two, but just to run.

1026
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 2: The way we talk about him. Here's my point, because

1027
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 2: again it's not that he's a bad coach. He's fine,

1028
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 2: but he's overrated because if he is this offensive genius,

1029
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: if he is revolutionized in the NFL. That guy with

1030
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 2: the championship on the line doesn't have a four yard

1031
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: play that also insures the clock continues to run. He

1032
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: doesn't have some sort of end around or some sort

1033
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: of screen or some sort of something that's like a

1034
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: very high percent completetion called a.

1035
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: High percentage play. They called a higher percentage play. They

1036
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: didn't block it correctly like that. That's that was the

1037
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: bottom line of all the issues that they had. They

1038
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: didn't block things correctly. It's third down and overtime, third

1039
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: and you know one of those four point plays in

1040
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: overtime at the end of the game, and they leave

1041
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: Chris Jones unblocked. They weren't blocking correct.

1042
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 2: The overtime one was just I mean, that was the

1043
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 2: middle execution. I'm with you on that. That's w one.

1044
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 2: That's why they lost.

1045
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: They lost because Trent McDuffie came through unblocked on a

1046
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: key third down late in the game in the fourth quarter.

1047
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: Chris Jones was unblocked and overtime, like those are the

1048
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: reasons why they lost. They didn't have their ducks in

1049
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: a row, they didn't have hat on the hat, they

1050
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: weren't lined correctly offensively, and that's why they lost. They

1051
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: didn't lose because of all this mumbo jumbo about the

1052
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: fact that they called a play that stopped the clock

1053
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: or the like, or they didn't take the ball in overtime.

1054
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: To go back to your point, and this is what

1055
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 2: he did with Jimmy g last time too. Why you

1056
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: can't block it? You know your quarterback, who is not

1057
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 2: very good, is struggling with this. Why are you putting

1058
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: the ball in his hand when it matters the most.

1059
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: I don't want to go back to that Super Bowl

1060
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: because I don't remember it well enough to go back

1061
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: all the way to that Super Bowl.

1062
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 2: The only thing they were up two touchdowns and Channahanden's

1063
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 2: out throwing deep with Jimmy Garoppolo.

1064
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: That's all you need to say. And he missed a

1065
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: wide open receiver in the end zone.

1066
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 2: But why okay, but that's who Jimmy Garoppolo is. You

1067
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: know that's your quarterback. Why are you asking him to

1068
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: do that in that situation?

1069
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: I just for style points all of these things again.

1070
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: If you if people broad the legitimate reasons to the

1071
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: table of why the forty nine ers lost this football game,

1072
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: I would be all for taking to Kyle to task

1073
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: and saying that he did these things wrong. But people

1074
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: make it about stuff that is just not how why

1075
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: they lost the game. It's not it's like they're their

1076
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: their situational play calling wasn't why they lost the game.

1077
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: They lost the game because the players can feel didn't

1078
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: point out the mic points correctly or whatever the hell

1079
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: they However, they they run their protection system, so that's

1080
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: why they lost the game. As a coach, Bacola took

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Speaker 1: them to school on third down. That's why your first

1082
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: point about they just do what they do. Yes, they're

1083
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: too they're too basic in that.

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Speaker 2: Cat they're the two things are related because if what

1085
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: you're doing is not working, you need to have a

1086
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 2: plan B. And that's the point. And hand didn't have

1087
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 2: a plan B. And what happened because of him not

1088
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: having a The plan B in that situation is just

1089
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: calling something to manage the clock. We can't get this block.

1090
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 2: Why good plan?

1091
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: Why would plan B be to worry about the clock?

1092
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: I don't understand that your your goal is to pick

1093
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: up the first down.

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00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 2: That's the goal. God's trying to have a recognition that,

1095
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 2: or maybe it's not specifically to manage the clock. But

1096
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 2: you need to have a recognition that.

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Speaker 1: The most overrated thing in football commentary right now is

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00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: clock management. That's it is the most overrated thing the game.

1099
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: The game mens, whichever team is winning at the end

1100
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 2: of the game, it makes sense to manage that.

1101
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: The goal of the game is the score points and

1102
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: to have more points at the end of the game

1103
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: than the other guy. It's not to worry about the

1104
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: freaking clock, okay.

1105
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: But you just have to have more points at the

1106
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 2: end of the game. Like the clock dictates the end

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Speaker 2: of the game. We don't just decide this isn't soccer,

1108
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 2: where all right, We're gonna play a couple more minutes

1109
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 2: because things are interesting. You just it's it's I.

1110
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: I we spend as as analysts of football, football Cognisanti

1111
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: in the media, we spend so much more time worrying

1112
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: about clock management. The people in the league do so

1113
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: much more time. No one like I guarantee it that

1114
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: no one cares more about Oh, they blew this situation

1115
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: with clock management.

1116
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,479
Speaker 2: That than than football writers, Evan nobody, the best coach

1117
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: of all times spend hours and hours and hours in

1118
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 2: the building.

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00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: We're sitting it going over this stuff, and he went

1120
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Speaker 1: over situational stuff. That's clock club managing the clock's the situation,

1121
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: look at it and slate game execution situation. Our odds

1122
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: of picking up a first down by handing it off

1123
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: are like ten percent, But we're gonna do it because

1124
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,959
Speaker 1: we're going to run the clock even though we're losing all.

1125
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 2: The screen or something like that where you know you're

1126
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 2: gonna complete the There's ways.

1127
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: Too, We're going to argue in circles about it.

1128
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: There's ways to manage the clock and also pick up

1129
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: the first down. They're not mutually exclusive.

1130
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: The cloud eye matters when when people and when people

1131
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: talk about the clock like this and clock management. I

1132
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: think that people in actual football people, coaches around the league,

1133
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: people around the league laugh at how much time we

1134
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: spend on this.

1135
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 2: Not the good ones Shanahan might do you think?

1136
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: So you think Andy Reid cares this much? Because Andy

1137
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: Reid was Kyle Shanahan before Kyle Shanahan.

1138
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: And what change he got significant among other things, change

1139
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: got Patrick Mahomes. But even but even even back he

1140
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 2: was managing games the same exact way.

1141
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: But even back to late era Alex Smith, he was

1142
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: better with the clock than he.

1143
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 2: Ver different the drive. The drive.

1144
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: Winning the game is so much more important than the clock.

1145
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: But they're one of they're they're not two different things.

1146
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 2: Yes they are.

1147
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: Yes, they are calling plays to worry about the clock

1148
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: versus calling plays to win the.

1149
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 2: Game played in the context of the clock. The game is.

1150
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 2: You can't deny that the game is playing in the

1151
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: context of the car No, no, no, no, no.

1152
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: I'll spend time scoring points and then we'll get the

1153
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: ball back two minutes to go, two minutes to go

1154
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: at the end of the first half.

1155
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 2: Why aren't teams just like running the ball and huddling

1156
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 2: up and course.

1157
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: But that's that, that's that's not what I'm talking about,

1158
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: But it is. But I'm talking about your approach to

1159
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: the game.

1160
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 2: You have to change your fundamental approach based on, among

1161
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 2: many other things, where the clock is, why do base

1162
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: why don't baseball teams throw their closer out? And why?

1163
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: Why why do we spend so much time on these things?

1164
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: Because it's what because it made a difference in the game.

1165
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: If it hadn't made a difference in the game, it

1166
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: wouldn't be talking about it. It really didn't What made

1167
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 1: a difference in the game was that they didn't pick

1168
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: up third down and a key situations.

1169
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 2: That's what. Why was it a key situation? Evan? Why

1170
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 2: was that game and what dictates it being late in

1171
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 2: the game?

1172
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. There's your your clock like this.

1173
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: It's so crazy that this is what we care so

1174
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: much about. I think it's crazy. You don't think the

1175
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: clock matters. I didn't say it doesn't matter. I said

1176
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: that it's secondary. Two things that matter more.

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00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: Evan's sitting up there in a press box, like, where's

1178
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 2: everybody goes halftime? Did you guys?

1179
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: I gotta start taking just because you're just talking generation

1180
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: you're being ridiculous. All right, Isaac is in New York?

1181
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 1: What's up Isaac?

1182
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, how's it going good?

1183
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 2: How are you good? So?

1184
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 3: I just wanted to clarify something quick. So, Alex, do

1185
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 3: you think Shanahan would be better off as a coordinator

1186
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 3: than a head coach?

1187
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 2: I think that. I think that the things he's good

1188
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: at translate more to being a coordinator than as a

1189
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 2: head coach.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I can see where you're coming.

1191
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 2: From with that, and he's not. There's a lot of

1192
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: coaches like that he's not alone in that because he

1193
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 2: doesn't care enough about the Isaac.

1194
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, so my question was a special Teams question. So

1195
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 3: I was just wondering how many of you, like I

1196
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,479
Speaker 3: guess you would say build guys do you see being

1197
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 3: brought back like like I'm talking at Brendon Schooler, Cody

1198
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: Davis and even Chad Ryland, just because I feel like

1199
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 3: we could use some of the Broster spots for some

1200
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 3: younger developmental players, especially if like Special Teams has then

1201
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 3: prioritized as much in Mayo's modern vision.

1202
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, thanks for the call. Isaac.

1203
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: I don't think that those Special Teams guys are going

1204
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: to be as I don't think they're going to have

1205
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: as many Special Teams guys as they've had in the past.

1206
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: I think that goes without saying. I mean, Chad Ryland's

1207
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: the kicker, so that you have to have a kicker

1208
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: like that doesn't necessarily count. But the Brendan Schoolers of

1209
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 1: the world, the Cody Davis is like those types of players,

1210
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: the Chris Boards, I think those guys will they will

1211
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: have fewer of them with girod Mayo, and I do

1212
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: think that they're going to look at those as opportunities

1213
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: to give some of their younger players opportunities to play.

1214
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I honestly don't think having no special teams guys

1215
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 2: is the right answer, because I think you want a

1216
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 2: couple of guys, like.

1217
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: If you have a Matthew Slater, then that's that's one

1218
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: thing that I don't need five of them or six

1219
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: of the seven last year.

1220
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's ulous. Two. I think two maybe three is

1221
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 2: a fair number. But like you said, it's also a

1222
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 2: good chance to get some younger players on the field

1223
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 2: and get them reps who maybe aren't like what a

1224
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: mere Speed probably should have been last year. Yeah, right,

1225
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 2: where he was playing special teams, Like can you give

1226
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: him some reps at corner two? Things like that. They'll

1227
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 2: have guys that are primarily on special teams. I think

1228
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 2: a lot more guys like Brandon Bolden who are primarily

1229
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,959
Speaker 2: on special teams. Like, if you needed a running back,

1230
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 2: you'd throw brainon Bolden in there, he'd be he'd be fine.

1231
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be more guys like that.

1232
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could agree with that. All Right, Kendall is

1233
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: in North Carolina. Here we go, Here we go, Kendall,

1234
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: what do you.

1235
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 4: Got what's going on?

1236
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 5: Guys?

1237
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: You do.

1238
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 3: Pretty good, pretty good.

1239
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 6: I'm a big ad mental guy.

1240
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 7: Ivan.

1241
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 6: I seen your post yesterday on Twitter battle.

1242
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 8: Do you think he would have been there in the

1243
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 8: second round? Uh four?

1244
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: I think yeah, it's it's a good question, Kendall. I

1245
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: thought he was calling for something else when I saw

1246
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: in North Carolina. Thanks for the call, Kendall. I am

1247
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: a big fan of ad mitchell I. I I love

1248
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: guys that have size like he does. And I know

1249
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: he's not the heaviest player, but he's like six three

1250
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 1: six four. He's like with two ten. I think he's

1251
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 1: like two. He's like two hundred. I think he will

1252
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: like two of five to two ten by the time

1253
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: he's done in l That's good strength conditioning. I love

1254
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: guys that are six three six four but move like

1255
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: smaller players. I got that. And he's not the fastest sive.

1256
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: He's not a burner like he's not he's not a

1257
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: down the field vertical burner type. But the way that

1258
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: he runs routes and the way that he can sink

1259
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: and break down and make cuts at the top a route,

1260
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: set up angles, leverage, things like that that those are

1261
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: the types of guys that I really like for that

1262
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: type of spot. His game is probably I think he's

1263
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: probably a high second round pick in this draft, just

1264
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: because you have so many receivers at the top of

1265
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: the draft that are gonna start to push guys down

1266
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: the board a little bit. Could he sneak into the

1267
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: late first round obviously he could, like I know, but

1268
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: I just look at it and say that there's probably

1269
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: gonna be a run, uh and we're gonna get to

1270
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: the tiers here in the second hour. There's probably gonna

1271
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: be a run of Kean Coleman, Ady Mitchell, Xavier Worthy,

1272
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 1: Troy Franklin. Yeah, that are all going to go at

1273
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: some point. Last year it was like the mid twenties

1274
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: right now those tw guys started to go. So maybe

1275
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: it ends up being a little bit earlier. But I,

1276
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: like I said, I love guys like Adie Mitchell that

1277
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: run routes, but are bigger receivers like that. It really

1278
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: makes up for a lot of things in mine.

1279
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 2: So Ady Mitchell is what I call a top forty pick,

1280
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: which is basically like, if he's not a first round pick,

1281
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 2: it's you know, right away on Day two. That's kind

1282
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:25,959
Speaker 2: of where I have him. Yeah, most of the guys

1283
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: you just said I would call top forty picks. Some

1284
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 2: of them will go late first, some of them will

1285
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: go early second. And I think it's it's a flavor

1286
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 2: thing there where, Like they're all very comparable prospects. It's

1287
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 2: just what are you you know, if you if you're

1288
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 2: drafting Troy Franklin, you're drafting Adie Mitchell, like you're just

1289
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 2: you're looking for two completely different players, right, agree, It's

1290
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 2: not about which one's better, it's about what you what

1291
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: you're trying to add to your team. Yep, Jay is

1292
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 2: in Arkansas. It's up. Jay.

1293
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 8: Hey you morning guys. Hey, just a few quick points

1294
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 8: for you.

1295
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Speaker 4: But just first of all, just want to let you

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00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 4: guys know, I appreciate the h levelheadedness you guys approach

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Speaker 4: things with, uh you know how it's some of the

1298
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 4: day to day craziness in the local market there.

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Speaker 8: I just appreciate your uh, your post things. So anyways,

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01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 8: a couple of things on on draft, uh, because I

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Speaker 8: guess that's where we're folksing our attention on. Now on

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01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 8: Jayden Daniels would love to hear you guys talk about Evan.

1303
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 8: I've seen some of your analysis already. Surely we won't

1304
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 8: get you or see him get knocked too much for

1305
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 8: the frame, the slight frame.

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01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 4: You know, It's funny how.

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01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 8: In draft season every year, you know, that guy stood

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01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 8: up to two full seasons of a SEC play going

1309
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 8: against defenses like A and M Alabama Florida, you know,

1310
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 8: loaded with NFL players, and he took plenty of hits.

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01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 8: Surely that's not going to be a thing. But would

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01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 8: love to hear you guys talk about that. Although I

1313
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 8: wonder by the time the draft rolls around if Drake

1314
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 8: may will be the or excuse me, Daniels will be

1315
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 8: the consensus number two guy anyway. But uh, and then

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01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 8: the draft in the Patriots draft position, don't you guys

1317
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 8: think with that second round pick, in order to get

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01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 8: a tackle that really has a chance of stepping in

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Speaker 8: next year and being a legit, uh, you know, shot

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01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 8: it at least competing for a starting job right away.

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01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 4: Don't you think we got to.

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01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 8: Go tackle there? And with the depth at wide receiver,

1323
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 8: just take advantage of that and go wide receiver later on.

1324
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 4: And last thing.

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Speaker 8: I'd love to hear you guys, you guys talking about

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01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,919
Speaker 8: cliches earlier, and you have in the past. You think

1327
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 8: the third down back and the idea of oh we

1328
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 8: got to replace James White will one day go away,

1329
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,439
Speaker 8: aren't all? Aren't we in the era now where any

1330
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 8: running back is expected should be expected to catch the

1331
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 8: ball out of the backfield and be a threat there.

1332
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Speaker 8: Thanks guys, appreciate it.

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01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 2: Thanks for the great question. Pretty good question. So let's

1334
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 2: unpack them one at a time here, Yeah, make sure

1335
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 2: I get this right.

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Speaker 1: So Jaden Daniels his frame, it's thinner, you know, you

1337
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: can just look at you can see it, a little wirey,

1338
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: and he is pretty reckless with how he runs.

1339
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 2: You could say that two things.

1340
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: I don't give two f's about to be honest with you,

1341
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: because one I think they protect the quarterbacks so darn

1342
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: much these days that he'll be fine in terms of

1343
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: his frame, and two he'll learn to slide, he'll learn

1344
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: to protect himself, he'll learn to do those types of things.

1345
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 2: They said that about RG three, Now I.

1346
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: RG three got hurt on like a freak plane on

1347
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Speaker 1: the side.

1348
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Speaker 2: I think it's a fair I'm with you in that,

1349
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 2: Like he's not in the pocket, he's not going to

1350
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 2: take as many hits and he'll bulk up a little

1351
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 2: bit when he gets the NFL. Most guys need to.

1352
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 2: The needing the slide thing does worry me because you're

1353
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 2: not getting protected out there like they might call a fly.

1354
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter. He'll learn the hits already have.

1355
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 2: So I'm not saying it's not coachable, but it's I'm

1356
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 2: not gonna sit here and say it's not something that

1357
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 2: he does need to get better at.

1358
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: If you aren't, you are not. You're not passing on

1359
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels because he takes too many correct correct.

1360
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,919
Speaker 2: But we're also not doing our jobs if we don't

1361
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 2: sit here and say this is what the guy does well,

1362
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 2: this is what he needs to improve at, and he can't.

1363
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: Be t I think if I had to list the

1364
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: things that he needs to improve that to be to

1365
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: make it in the league, his frame and like the

1366
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, not taking the hits and stuff like that

1367
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: is pretty far down the list. Like I have a

1368
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: lot more concerns about him reading the field, seeing things

1369
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: on time and things like that as a path, but

1370
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: they're gonna and I do that that he likes to,

1371
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 1: you know.

1372
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Speaker 2: Takeing a quarterback that high an NFL team sees that

1373
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 2: as an investment. That's how they look at it. I mean,

1374
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 2: these teams are all run by like corporate business ways

1375
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 2: now and tell me about it. They're gonna look at

1376
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 2: that and say, all right, our investment. He's reckless, and

1377
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 2: we want to make sure like teams are gonna be.

1378
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 2: He's gonna have again. Right, I'm not saying you pass.

1379
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 2: I wouldn't pas on him because of it. But one

1380
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 2: of the first things I'm doing when he sat, right,

1381
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 2: So they bring him out on the field right when

1382
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 2: they introduce him the next day. Yeah, if I'm h

1383
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 2: and I'd assume, oh no, Bill wasn't usually there for that.

1384
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 2: Dud Mayo seems like the kind of guy that would

1385
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 2: be there for that. Maybe. So if I'm Durid Mayo,

1386
01:03:58,920 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 2: I'm there.

1387
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Speaker 1: Right.

1388
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 2: He goes up be toop media on the way out.

1389
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 2: I walk them over and I say, you see this

1390
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 2: white line here, that's sideline. That is your best friend.

1391
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 2: Get to know it, get to appreciate it. He again, Yeah,

1392
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 2: I would not draft for all right. So wait, so

1393
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 2: the other questions? Yeah, so what was the second one? Now,

1394
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 2: I'm long tackle at thirty four, so I think that's

1395
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 2: the sweet spot.

1396
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: So we did our first mock draft deuce and I yesterday.

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01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: It'll be up shortly on on videos.

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Speaker 2: You figure out the seventh round pick thing. By the way,

1399
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 2: have fixed okay, we we went with your with your order,

1400
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 2: all right? All right? That making happy the correct order?

1401
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 2: There you go.

1402
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:37,919
Speaker 1: Uh So I agree that there's gonna be it's gonna

1403
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: be really tough to find a tackle that is got

1404
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: day one starter type potential. After I would say the

1405
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 1: top sixty five picks in the draft, and obviously in

1406
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: between thirty four and was it sixty eight if they

1407
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: had in the third round, that's a That gap is

1408
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: gonna be what you're gonna lose everybody at the.

1409
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 2: Sweet spot is twenty to fifty. That's where all these

1410
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 2: guys are gonna go two. So the paride, you're gonna

1411
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 2: watch the parade go by, right. And that's what I've

1412
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 2: been saying about tackle at three or tackle at the

1413
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 2: top of the draft. I don't love it either, But

1414
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 2: the bottom line is is that this is draft is

1415
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 2: very very top heavy with tackles, and they're all very

1416
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 2: very good. So they're all gonna go early, right, and

1417
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 2: you're gonna see eight to ten tackles probably go in

1418
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 2: the top fifty picks. There are some people think that

1419
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 2: eight tackles are gonna go in the first round, which

1420
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 2: would be a record.

1421
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: So you're having a lot of players go in a

1422
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: condensed area.

1423
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 2: If you the current projection about is ten in the

1424
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 2: top fifty.

1425
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,439
Speaker 1: If you pass on all those guys, you're gonna watch

1426
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 1: the parade go by, There's no doubt about it.

1427
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 2: And and that, like, I get guys like Javon Foster,

1428
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 2: Roger Rosencart and like people like them, but those are

1429
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 2: developmental players.

1430
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: Or they're they're I hate the like high flora low

1431
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: ceiling thing, but those guys are are they they don't

1432
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 1: have a very high ceiling.

1433
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 2: Right, you're gonna be talking about a third tackle or.

1434
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: Right, like, yes, do I think that the gonna be

1435
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: on NFL rosters?

1436
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1437
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: And maybe push to start down the line. Yeah, absolutely.

1438
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: But if you want to really get a guy that's

1439
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: gonna be like a cornerstone tackle, it's got to come.

1440
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 2: Und and they couldn't by the way, they could take both,

1441
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 2: they could double up. I had that in my mock

1442
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 2: me too, But yeah, I'm with you now that being said,

1443
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 2: I think second pick with the tackle. Absolutely, I wouldn't

1444
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 2: be mad because there are so many guys, and some

1445
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 2: of this would be dictated by how the board falls

1446
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 2: at the end of the first round. But let's say,

1447
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 2: because sometimes you get that reverse thing where there are

1448
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 2: so many tackles that teams start to pass. Yeah, I

1449
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 2: don't think that's gonna happen. If you can trade down

1450
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 2: from thirty four to like forty, let's say you like

1451
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 2: a guy like Patrick Paul. Yeah, I'm not opposed to

1452
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 2: that either, to add assets. But the way we're talking

1453
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 2: about tackles in the second round is the way receivers

1454
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 2: look in the third round. I just said the tackle

1455
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 2: sweet spot is like twenty to fifty. The receiver sweet

1456
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 2: spot is like thirty to eighty. So you have a

1457
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 2: lot more more flexibility.

1458
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 1: There's just more depth. In terms of contributors. I'm not

1459
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and say that every single receiver draft

1460
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: in the top one hundred is going to be a contributor,

1461
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: because we know that that's not gonna happen. Some people

1462
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: are gonna bust or not. There are some guys are

1463
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 1: not gonna be NFL players. That's the reality. But there's

1464
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: more surplus, there no doubt about it. There's it's a

1465
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: deeper receiver class than it is a tackle class. But

1466
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean the tackle class is bad. It's just

1467
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: the tackle class top it's.

1468
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 2: Top heavy, right. I would say, like punch for punch,

1469
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 2: you'll line up the first ten receivers. They're similar to

1470
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,919
Speaker 2: the first ten tackles. Yeah, but then there's another ten

1471
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 2: receivers that you get excited about, whereas with the tackles,

1472
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 2: you're like, all right, like you said, you're talking about

1473
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 2: you know, le Adrian Wong. Yeah, nothing against Adrian Wall,

1474
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 2: but that kind of player, all right. He had one

1475
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 2: more third down back and this is actually we had

1476
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 2: this week.

1477
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: So the third down backs are interesting because I think

1478
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:54,479
Speaker 1: that the reason why, in some respects, the third down

1479
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: back is dying, and I think in a lot of

1480
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: respects the third down back is kind of dying. I

1481
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: think a big reason why is because all these quarterbacks

1482
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: are so mobile. So like the idea of a checkdown

1483
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: on third and three, the checkdown is their legs. They

1484
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: can just run for the first down on third and three.

1485
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 2: I think that's part of it.

1486
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: They don't need a James White if you're gonna have,

1487
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 1: and this is becoming few and farther between. If you

1488
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: are gonna have those pocket style quarterbacks like Tom Brady was,

1489
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: tom Brady is not his own checkdown so he's got

1490
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: to have somebody that he can just dump the ball

1491
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:40,600
Speaker 1: off to lateen the down and pick up those first downs. Nowadays,

1492
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: they just run for it, and I do think that

1493
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: there's an element of that that has made the third

1494
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: and down back obsolete. That doesn't mean that's part of it.

1495
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean receiving is not important. It just means

1496
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: that that specialized role, I think is lesser.

1497
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 2: Than To that point, I think more backs are coming

1498
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 2: out just well rounded, and you don't you have to

1499
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 2: contribute in the passing, and you don't need a specialize

1500
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 2: like you don't have Legarrett Button James White like you

1501
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 2: have a guy that can do both, and so you

1502
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 2: don't need that specialized pass catching back when your your

1503
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 2: main back or your top two backs are both very

1504
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,879
Speaker 2: capable of catching the football. As it relates to the Patriots,

1505
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 2: and we both had this revelation at the same time

1506
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 2: last week because I was putting my mock draft together

1507
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 2: and I'm all right, Dylan Lobby yeah, specifically all right,

1508
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 2: in the James White role.

1509
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: In the classic Patriot, Right.

1510
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 2: But then I thought about it and I'm like, well,

1511
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 2: but it's not that offense anymore. Yeah, it's Alexander Pelt's offense.

1512
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 2: And I don't want to say the running backs aren't

1513
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 2: involved as receivers in his offense, but it's minimal. And

1514
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 2: it's like it's.

1515
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: If he had a Christian McCaffrey, then obviously that player

1516
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: would be.

1517
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 2: And that's, by the way, what I mean going back

1518
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 2: around as flexible with.

1519
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: But there's not a specific role in this offense. Like

1520
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: McCaffrey and Shanahan's offense becomes a factor in the passing game,

1521
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: right because they they run him as the option runner, right,

1522
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: so they you know, they'll call their option plays. Their

1523
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: option routes are not like the Patriots where everything converts.

1524
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 1: It's one specific player will have the freedom to make

1525
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: moves at the top of the route and get open.

1526
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 1: That might be Christian McCaffrey and San Francisco just because

1527
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: he's so darn good. But in these other offenses it won't,

1528
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: you know, they'll just make it somebody else, right.

1529
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 2: So I think when you look at this draft for

1530
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 2: the Patriots specifically, not that Dylan Lowby can't run the

1531
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 2: ball on early downs, but you maybe want You're basically

1532
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 2: looking for a guy like Ramandra Stevenson, and you're just

1533
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 2: gonna split them one and two. So I mean, they're

1534
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 2: not gonna draft Trey Benson or Blake Korham because those

1535
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 2: guys are are just gonna go too high. But oh really, yeah,

1536
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 2: thank you say something nice about play corm No say

1537
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 2: something nice.

1538
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: I just said the Patriots say something nice about Blake Orum.

1539
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 1: You have to say something nice about Kyle Shanning.

1540
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 2: All right, go ahead, say some nice about Playcorn. I

1541
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 2: got nothing I can't do.

1542
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: He's a good he's a good football player. Do you

1543
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: not say anything nice about it? I was gonna say,

1544
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan, the play designs are nice. He doesn't know

1545
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: what to use them, but they're nice. You can't say

1546
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: one thing about a very good football player, really really good,

1547
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,600
Speaker 1: really good red zone like golf knows for the end

1548
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: zone type of back.

1549
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even say that one of his top five things.

1550
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: But sure, we're talking about the best player on the

1551
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: National Championship offense. I don't think he's the best player

1552
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: on the net.

1553
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 2: Best skilled position player. They have some lineup that are dogs.

1554
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 2: That's fair. Best skill he's been in Roman Wills. Roman

1555
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 2: Wills is very good.

1556
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: He's probably better than he might not be better than

1557
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 1: the other receiver that they had.

1558
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 2: Oh the yeah, he's coming out next year and the

1559
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,799
Speaker 2: tight end Loveland. Anyway, you're you're if you're the Patriots,

1560
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 2: you're looking at guys like Will Shipley's probably where that

1561
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 2: board starts. Uh, Jalen Wright from Tennessee, Cody Schrader from Missouri. Uh,

1562
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 2: the Dejon Edwards from Georgia. I mean those are guys.

1563
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: Bailey from Edwards is somebody that I did notice in

1564
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: Mobile a decent amount. He can catch the ball I

1565
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 1: think from usc that was at the Sea Marsh Lloyd, Yeah,

1566
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: he can catch the ball too.

1567
01:11:58,800 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 2: He would be a good fit.

1568
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys though, Lloyd. That's like a

1569
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: really good like wheel route runner. Like he's not somebody

1570
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 1: like James White that's gonna break down at the top

1571
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: of the route and get open on third and three.

1572
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: But if you want a vertical back out of the

1573
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:11,640
Speaker 1: backfield and he's somebody.

1574
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 2: That, well, okay, let me ask you this to go

1575
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 2: back to it. So those backs I just named, well,

1576
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 2: Jalen Wright wasn't in the I don't know if you've

1577
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 2: watched Jalen Right. He was supposed to be at Senior

1578
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 2: bo only wasn't from Tennessee, which one Jalen Right, Yeah, yeah,

1579
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 2: so you've watched him a little bit, a little bit. Okay,

1580
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 2: So Jalen Wright, Marshall Lloyd, Cody Schrader, Dejon Edwards, Amani Bailey.

1581
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 2: We just talked about the thing with the outside zone,

1582
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 2: right and are you running true wide or mid? And

1583
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 2: you talk about you need the burner to run the

1584
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 2: true outside. Do any of those guys you think have

1585
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 2: the speed to do that where ramondra Stevenson becomes your

1586
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 2: mid zone runner. Yeah, that's a good question.

1587
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 1: You know, that's not the guys that I mentioned down

1588
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 1: in Mobile that those weren't those guys. Ironically, like Dylan

1589
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 1: Lobby is probably one of those.

1590
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 2: Times, right, So maybe Dylan Lobby is. I really like

1591
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 2: Dylan Lobby.

1592
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 1: I just don't know where he I don't know where

1593
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: he fits in there draft.

1594
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 2: Not necessarily that I don't.

1595
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 1: Fourth or fifth round, Yeah, but I think that they're

1596
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 1: gonna have other needs that are going to be more pressing.

1597
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 2: I think they're in trade down at some point where

1598
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 2: there're some thirty four to sixty eight, so they'll have

1599
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 2: more picks.

1600
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: I yeah, it's gonna be interesting. I agree. I that

1601
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 1: was one thing that stood out to me when I

1602
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: was doing the mock And look, free agency will help,

1603
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: right because they're gonna fill some holes in free agency,

1604
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: and that that's gonna you might not need to draft

1605
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 1: a receiver in the top seventy five, right you signed

1606
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: Mike whatever changes the picture exactly. But right now is

1607
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 1: it seems like a lot of needs for not a

1608
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 1: lot of picks. And when I say a lot of

1609
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 1: not a lot of picks, I mean like premium picks.

1610
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: Because you draft a guy in the sixth round, you're

1611
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 1: not expecting that guy to contribute. Maybe a running back would,

1612
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: but you're not expecting guys at other positions to contribute.

1613
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 1: So that that I think is a big part of

1614
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: that trade down that you did in your mock draft.

1615
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: We didn't do trades in these ones. Yeah, that trade

1616
01:13:58,160 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: down that you did in your mock draft I think

1617
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:04,719
Speaker 1: is something that that definitely is intriguing. But just because

1618
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: you start to think about are quarterback, receiver, tackle? We

1619
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 1: know those running backs of sneaky need. Tight ends a

1620
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 1: sneaky need, and this is one of those drafts kind

1621
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: of like tackle or where the parade can you can

1622
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: watch a parade go by quickly at tight end. And

1623
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: then there are gonna be some secondary needs on defense,

1624
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: you know, corner, edge rusher if they lose josh U

1625
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: j and Anthony Jennings and trade Matthew Judon, Like how

1626
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 1: do they not have draft?

1627
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 2: And now you're talking about that trusher in the top

1628
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 2: one hundre right.

1629
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 1: So like that those are things that that could become needs.

1630
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 2: I just think again the trade down from thirty four.

1631
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up because it's something I

1632
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 2: just you know, people always send us mock drafts and

1633
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 2: everybody's like trading down from three to get as many picks.

1634
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 2: It's just consider the trade down from thirty four because

1635
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 2: I get the mentality behind trading down from three. You

1636
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 2: want to add more premium assets for a team that

1637
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 2: has a lot of needs, but you're giving up what

1638
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 2: you hope and what you should be planning to be

1639
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 2: is a rare chance. Like some people say, oh, just

1640
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 2: trade down from three, you'll back in the top five

1641
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 2: again next year. If that's the approach, clean out the

1642
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 2: front office right now. Yeah, you need to be planning

1643
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 2: about winning games. You move down from thirty four, you

1644
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 2: can sit like I added two top one hundred assets

1645
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 2: and yeah, you don't like I'd rather move down in

1646
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 2: the second to move down in the first. And yeah

1647
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 2: I didn't add a future first oh well, but I

1648
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 2: still added the assets I needed I felt to get

1649
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 2: the draft I needed to have.

1650
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 1: All right, Lucas is in Boston. What's up, Lucas?

1651
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 6: Hey, how are you doing? Gentlemen?

1652
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 5: Hey?

1653
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 6: Good, good, longtime listener, first time color since the beat.

1654
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 2: Thank you guys work.

1655
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 6: Honestly, you guys like the only Patriots podcast I can

1656
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 6: Actually they're listening to. Thank you You guys are great.

1657
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 6: But my question kind of ties into the tackle or

1658
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 6: quarterback at three, because you guys would agree that quarterback

1659
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 6: is a little more risky, probably right than taking a

1660
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 6: guy like Joe Alt.

1661
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 2: Yes, could be, yeah, but that's the game you play.

1662
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 6: Thing is, I don't feel like the Patriots can afford

1663
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 6: to miss on a QB in the top three because

1664
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 6: if they take Jayden Daniels and he doesn't pay out.

1665
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 6: It's just even further back than we are right now.

1666
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 6: So personally, I would rather go for a Bridge style

1667
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 6: QB and then maybe try to trade for a quarterback which.

1668
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 8: Will never will be becoming unhappy.

1669
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 6: So just wondering if you guys think that's reasonable or

1670
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 6: if I'm just a little too scared about taking a QB.

1671
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 2: So who, hang on, who are you trading for?

1672
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 3: Kay?

1673
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean that's name to the claim, right,

1674
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to pick on him. I'm just saying,

1675
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 1: you want to bridge quarterback?

1676
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 2: I was starting.

1677
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: I told you I was started to do free agency

1678
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 1: staff a little bit. Who's the bridge quarter It's not

1679
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: kirk Cousins.

1680
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 2: It's not Kirk Cousins. It's not Kirk Cousins. Is it

1681
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:38,719
Speaker 2: Ryan Tannehill? Is it?

1682
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:42,640
Speaker 1: Is it Justin Fields? Is it Russell Wilson? Like Kobe,

1683
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:44,679
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know if Jacoby Presett is good enough.

1684
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: Like Jacoby said to me, is the perfect.

1685
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 2: Jacober St might be better Ryan Tannehill At this point.

1686
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: Jacoby pre said to me is the perfect veteran. Not Bridge.

1687
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 1: I would say like Spots Starter early on and Jayden Daniels'

1688
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: career early on and Drake may career. If you don't

1689
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: want to throw them out there week one. Uh, it's

1690
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: very difficult to find the true the Baker Mayfield and

1691
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:09,759
Speaker 1: this group of available quarterback.

1692
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's as risky as taking the guy high in

1693
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 2: the draft. And I'm not gonna do the whole rant.

1694
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 2: But taking a quarterback scary, right, one hundred doors, ninety

1695
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 2: nine of them darkenest in despair. Putting it off doesn't

1696
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 2: change how unlikely it is. But the reality is the

1697
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 2: team's gonna be better if you're gonna take that swing,

1698
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 2: because you have to take the swing eventually. I get

1699
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 2: Patriots face. What if he busts at a certain point,

1700
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:33,879
Speaker 2: you have to take a chance at quarterback. Yeah, wouldn't

1701
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 2: you rather take the swing at three in a draft

1702
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 2: that looks to be good at quarterback than have to

1703
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 2: take the swing when you're starting off picking tenth in

1704
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 2: a bad quarterback class and I have to pay a

1705
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 2: ton to give up. Like, I'm with you, it's it's scary.

1706
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 2: It's scary.

1707
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 1: I guess it's scary this draft to go up here

1708
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 1: we are, this is the draft to take a quarterback. Yeah,

1709
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 1: it is, And I actually I'm with the caller. I

1710
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 1: see a lot of logic to what the caller is saying. Yeah,

1711
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 1: and I would go that route if that route was

1712
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 1: read available to me, right, Like if I if I

1713
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 1: could acquire Jared Goff, who maybe justin fields is that guy?

1714
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,600
Speaker 1: Like maybe that's the closest thing that we have to

1715
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: this right now, is justin fields. But somebody that is

1716
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 1: still twenty six, twenty seven former, like high draft pick

1717
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 1: that has potential still you know, a golf Maybe it's

1718
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 1: justin fields. But I just think that watching justin fields

1719
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 1: in Chicago, the limitations as a passer legitimate, Like it's

1720
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:32,719
Speaker 1: a legitimate concern about that. I could see that logic

1721
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 1: if that quarterback was available. But like an older Russell

1722
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 1: Wilson and older Kirk Cousins like those, that's not the player.

1723
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 1: It's really justin fields and that's it.

1724
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 2: The other difference is when the Lions traded for Golf,

1725
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 2: he had a contract and he.

1726
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 1: Also had Stafford to trade for him, right, so they

1727
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: had a huge asset to give up that wasn't a

1728
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 1: draft thick.

1729
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got golf and picks to build a round.

1730
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 2: And well that's what I was gonna say Goff had

1731
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,799
Speaker 2: the contract that at the time was affordable. Fields doesn't.

1732
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 2: He does for a year, but you're not gonna have

1733
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 2: the same opportunities to build around him. If it was

1734
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 2: next year. And you want to tell me they could

1735
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 2: trade for Trevor Lawrence. Maybe, yeah, Like that's I think

1736
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 2: the route. But to your point about having something to trade,

1737
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 2: Let's say you draft Jane Daniels and it goes eh, yeah,

1738
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:20,799
Speaker 2: maybe next year you trade Jane Daniels for Trevor Lawrence.

1739
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 2: Oh God, I don't know. If they that would be

1740
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 2: a hell of a trade. And I mean other things,

1741
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 2: there'd be other things involved here. But I'm saying like,

1742
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to do it eventually. I get that.

1743
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 2: I get it's scary, but yeah, putting it off doesn't

1744
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 2: make it any less scary. If anything, putting it off

1745
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 2: makes them more scary because you're gonna be in war shape.

1746
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 1: If maybe maybe this isn't more like the Kirk Cousins model,

1747
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: but like, if they could sign a true bridge quarterback

1748
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 1: for a reasonable contract, YadA, YadA, YadA, Yeah, and then

1749
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: draft like Pennix in the second round, those are things

1750
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 1: that I'm not like totally opposed to. I just don't

1751
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: love any of the options that are available to do that.

1752
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 1: Because Kirk Cousin's gonna make thirty five million dollar a year, Right,

1753
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 1: it's different than.

1754
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 2: And he's thirty six years old coming off of torn Achilles.

1755
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 5: Right.

1756
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: But if you're looking at it and you're saying, we're

1757
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 1: going to do it for a year or two with

1758
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 1: Cousins and then Penix is going to be the guy,

1759
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: or we hope Pennix is going to be the guy,

1760
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: I could, I could get behind it. I also it's

1761
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 1: difficult with the money, which I wouldn't.

1762
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:17,799
Speaker 2: Roll out, that Cousins ends up being such a disaster

1763
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 2: that you suddenly have to go to Penix in year one.

1764
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 2: I guess if he doesn't bounce back from me, which

1765
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 2: is that's the new acl that's the hard one to

1766
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 2: bounced back for. No half measures at quarterback. That's the

1767
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 2: one position where you don't take half measures. No half

1768
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 2: measures at quarterback.

1769
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,679
Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, Ryan's in Virginia. What's up, Bryan?

1770
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 7: Hey, how you.

1771
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 2: Guys doing good?

1772
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 7: Huh? Big thing on the show. Always love listening to

1773
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 7: you guys in But I had a couple of comments

1774
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 7: and then some questions.

1775
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 2: Yep.

1776
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 7: One comment goes back to when you guys are talking

1777
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 7: about the Super Bowl. I know that that end of

1778
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 7: the fourth quarter there was the clock management discussion you

1779
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 7: guys are having. But if they go on that they're down,

1780
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 7: they run the ball and they say they milk thirty seconds.

1781
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 7: The Chiefs let the clock on at the end. They

1782
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 7: didn't really use their timeouts to save any of that time.

1783
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 7: They definitely could have gotten down and kicked the field goal.

1784
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 7: It's the same time manage.

1785
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 2: The closet, but they have less time to do it.

1786
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 2: Like it changes the approach. Nah if Ridan, you're right,

1787
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 2: don't let it.

1788
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 7: I'm just down. Yeah, regardless, you.

1789
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 2: Give Patrick Mahomes all the time you want.

1790
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 7: That board, No, yeah, I just you've seen Mahomes do

1791
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 7: it with seventeen seconds. I think you can do it

1792
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 7: with a minute.

1793
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:24,480
Speaker 3: But regardless.

1794
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 7: I have been looking at this draft class and Drake

1795
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 7: may has been interesting, but he has a lot of

1796
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 7: fundamental issues where like his footwork and he d just

1797
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 7: from the pocket. Scare me if he does end up

1798
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:40,600
Speaker 7: falling and Joan Daniels passes in it too. It's a

1799
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 7: spooky concept to me. I don't know if I want

1800
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 7: an inconsistent passwordate bet and then if we have to

1801
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 7: go tackle at thirty two, if we can't trade down

1802
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 7: the market's ben, what do you think we're going to

1803
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 7: do with the tight end position for next year?

1804
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, Ryan, It's good.

1805
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 2: That's what that other guy asked too. By the way, Yeah,

1806
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 2: Jane Daniels jumping Drake may to too. As I said

1807
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 2: two months ago, was gonna happen. It's happening. Okay, victory

1808
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 2: lap over there.

1809
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 1: I think it's possible say I'm gonna do my quarterback

1810
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:10,839
Speaker 1: pre combined tiers, dude, lots of tiers lately.

1811
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 2: Around Already I put my big board out already.

1812
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that next week and for quarterbacks, and

1813
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 1: I am tempted to put Jaden Daniels too. I've had

1814
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 1: It's tough. They're definitely in the same tier. And that's

1815
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 1: how I'm probably gonna, ultimately, you know, kind of sit

1816
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 1: on the fence of the gap.

1817
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 2: The gap, the gap between Williams and whoever you have

1818
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:34,599
Speaker 2: it too, is definitely bigger, significantly bigger than the gap

1819
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 2: between two and three.

1820
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And to the caller's point, these are all things

1821
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 1: that I pointed out about Drake May. His footwork could

1822
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 1: be a little bit inconsistent throwing outside the numbers. His

1823
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 1: elongated release I think is a big concern for me

1824
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 1: just in terms of ball security. Yeah, but I think

1825
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,760
Speaker 1: his mechanics are clean in that respect, Like it's repeatable

1826
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 1: the way he throws the ball, but he he tends

1827
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 1: to hold the ball like a little bit further back.

1828
01:22:58,760 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 2: Than you want.

1829
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 1: And his arm is just like completely vulnerable to strip

1830
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 1: sacks and things like, yeah, exactly, and uh, and he

1831
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 1: does have a propensity to drift towards where he's throwing

1832
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 1: the ball in the pocket, which can lead to getting

1833
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 1: himself into some pressure and some problems. With that being said,

1834
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 1: I think what shocks me about Drake May. And I

1835
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 1: just have fun with the people from North Carolina. I

1836
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: don't actually hate you North Carolina, But I think what

1837
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 1: shocks me about Drake May is that on paper, he's

1838
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:33,799
Speaker 1: the modern quarterback, Like he's everything that people talk about.

1839
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 1: This is what you need in the league. You need

1840
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 1: somebody that's got good size, good arm, talent, good mobility,

1841
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 1: right like that that's what and that ability in some

1842
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 1: of that like off script magic that moxi to create plays,

1843
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 1: make plays with his legs happen. He has, he has

1844
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 1: all of those things. Does he have some flaws in

1845
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 1: terms of his details like the caller was talking about, Yes,

1846
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: but all of those same things could be said for Herbert,

1847
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 1: All those same things could have been said for Josh

1848
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 1: Allen like that, that's no one's perfect, like they're gonna

1849
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 1: have They're gonna have flaws. I am shocked at how

1850
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 1: how volatile of our prospect Drake May was is.

1851
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 2: I thought this was gonna be Jaden Daniels. I thought

1852
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 2: Jade and Daniels was going to be the lightning rod.

1853
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 2: I'll tell you why. And it's a it's a college

1854
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:24,640
Speaker 2: football thing. It's not an NFL thing. Because Jane Daniels

1855
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 2: lit up college, lit up the SEC. So this is

1856
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 2: my Drake May struggled in a very bad Acson.

1857
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,600
Speaker 1: So this is my This is my point about the

1858
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 1: people from North Carolina, who I really do like a lot.

1859
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 1: That the thing about when you're that close to players

1860
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 1: is that the product on the field, that their last

1861
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 1: stop tends to matter more to you. Right, Like the

1862
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 1: fact that he didn't win a lot of games last

1863
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 1: year at North Carolina, the fact that North Carolina wasn't

1864
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 1: a very good football team. That kind of stuff is

1865
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 1: gonna matter when you're closer to it. That stuff's gonna

1866
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 1: matter if you're a Tar Heels fan, right Like, that's

1867
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 1: gonna matter to you. I don't care about any of that.

1868
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 1: I don't care that they didn't win the national championship

1869
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: in a basketball school, like, I don't care. It doesn't

1870
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 1: matter to me. So ultimately, with Drake may I just

1871
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:19,280
Speaker 1: am very very surprised at how many people don't like

1872
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 1: him as a prospect because he is exactly what the league.

1873
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:30,520
Speaker 1: Everybody tells me the league is trending towards arm talent, mobility, playmaking,

1874
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 1: create stuff with your legs, win late in the down,

1875
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: like that touchdown passes against Clemson, right, the one off

1876
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 1: his back foot that you like, the fade away throw

1877
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 1: that is the league, right Like, that's what's supposed to

1878
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 1: be the league now.

1879
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 2: But you need to be able to you do need

1880
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 2: to be able to do consistently.

1881
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 1: I think that he does it more consistently as a

1882
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 1: passer than people give him credit for.

1883
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 2: But that's just me.

1884
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:55,679
Speaker 1: I look at him as that's the player that's that's

1885
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 1: the archetype now, and I'm just surprised that more people,

1886
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 1: well so many people are anti drake man. I am

1887
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 1: all right, last call, then, I do want to get

1888
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:07,759
Speaker 1: to the receiver tiers before you wrap this up. Ben

1889
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:08,679
Speaker 1: is in Brussels.

1890
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 2: What's up? Ben?

1891
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 1: Like Brussels, like in across the pond? Ah?

1892
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I love that. What's up?

1893
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 9: I'm I'm American, but I've been here for thirteen years,

1894
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 9: so very counts. So thanks for taking my call. You

1895
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 9: guys are doing the best content content these days. I

1896
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 9: wanted to talk wide receivers just a little bit more,

1897
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 9: and maybe I'm preemptive thing.

1898
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:32,719
Speaker 6: Good transit discussion like that.

1899
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 9: But a different aspect of it, because we're all very

1900
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 9: excited about all these possibilities. You can add draft and

1901
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 9: free agency, But the thing in my back of my

1902
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 9: head is how many guys can we actually add given

1903
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,720
Speaker 9: the two kind of boat anchors we have in the

1904
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 9: wide receiver room named Juju and DeVante Parker. Yeah, basically

1905
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 9: put on the GM caps for a minute, like would

1906
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 9: you take the cat medicine immediately on those two? And

1907
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 9: if you don't, are they're going to be the snats

1908
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 9: going around for two maybe three editions into the room.

1909
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 9: So thanks there.

1910
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 1: That's a fair point, Ben, because I thought about this too, Uh,

1911
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 1: when I was looking at the free agency class for receivers,

1912
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 1: if you don't open up some snaps, and obviously if

1913
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 1: you signed t Higgins, you're you're pushing DeVante Parker out

1914
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 1: like he's obviously not at this.

1915
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 2: Point, You're not signing to you, You're not signed to here.

1916
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 2: It's your trading for him. And I wonder it was

1917
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 2: going to get franchise. So I wonder if in that

1918
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 2: specific scenario, if there's value in trading DeVante Parker back.

1919
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 1: So I would never say never to moving trade guys

1920
01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 1: in trades. After Johnny Smith got traded, yeah, and somebody

1921
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 1: picked up that contract, I thought there was absolutely no

1922
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: chance in hell the Patriots are going to be able

1923
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 1: to move off of Johnny Smith.

1924
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 2: None. No, And they were able. They were able to

1925
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 2: do it. Juju seems like.

1926
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 1: More of that type of guy that people just bet

1927
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 1: on last year, kind of being a little bit of

1928
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 1: a blit because of the offense and the situation and

1929
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, than DeVante Parker.

1930
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think park would be easier to move because

1931
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 2: juju like the his knee. I think you think to

1932
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 2: be worthy.

1933
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 1: I think team would look at juju as having higher

1934
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 1: ceiling and more potential.

1935
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 2: Okay, but I no, I'm with you, and you know

1936
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 2: that's part of the cap space. If they have to

1937
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 2: eat some money, they have the flexibility to be able

1938
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 2: to eat some money.

1939
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 1: They I if you have to attack, like if you

1940
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,600
Speaker 1: have to pay some of their their base salary to

1941
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 1: move them, or I'm doing that in.

1942
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 2: A hard Absolutely, I think definitely getting I don't know

1943
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 2: if they can move both. But if you can get

1944
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 2: one off, especially Parker, because you need to be better

1945
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 2: at the X, yeah, I if you have to give

1946
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 2: up a little bit to do that, I absolutely think

1947
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 2: it's worth it. Absolutely, I agree.

1948
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the tiers, the tiers of

1949
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:39,639
Speaker 1: the day wide receiver tiers. So I have four tiers.

1950
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 1: I have eleven guys so far? Did I studied fifteen?

1951
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 1: I got eleven of them tiered here? Well, so the

1952
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 1: other four would be on the next tier then, oh,

1953
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 1: I guess that's true. Huh yeah, all right, anyways, should

1954
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 1: we go from one to four, four to one? Let's

1955
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:56,719
Speaker 1: go one to four because we might have different okay,

1956
01:28:56,760 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 1: So my Tier one wide receivers, ye, that should not

1957
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 1: be plural. My Tier one wide receivers plural, okay. Marvin

1958
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior, Malik Neighbors, Ramadunze all three Tier one Okay,

1959
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 1: So Marvin Harrison Junior, and I have comps for everybody too,

1960
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 1: because you know I like comps.

1961
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:18,759
Speaker 2: I have comps for everybody.

1962
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:22,639
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior definitely the most well rounded receiver prospect

1963
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 1: I've seen, maybe ever. And I'm that old, so I'm

1964
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:27,599
Speaker 1: not saying I've been doing I haven't. I didn't see

1965
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:30,679
Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson, you know, that type of thing. But Marvin

1966
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:34,719
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior definitely the most well routed prospect. Really can't

1967
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:37,639
Speaker 1: find a lot of flaws to his game. I would

1968
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 1: say the one flaw if you had to say, like this,

1969
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 1: he doesn't have this elite trait is long speed down

1970
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 1: the field like vertical burden. But at the same time,

1971
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 1: the way that he can run routes at his size

1972
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. The alignment versatility is ridiculous, his release package

1973
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. The comp is easy for me on this one.

1974
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 1: It's DeVante Adams, not a down the field burner, but

1975
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:03,640
Speaker 1: still wins down the field because of how good he

1976
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 1: is in the first couple of stages of the route,

1977
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, the release, the stem, things like that.

1978
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 2: He is.

1979
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 1: He's fantastic, well rounded. No, no real knocks on him whatsoever.

1980
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 1: Clearly wide receiver one. But I do have him in

1981
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 1: the same tier as Neighbors and dudes.

1982
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 2: I think he's in his own tier. You're talking about

1983
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 2: a guy, that's right. I said this last year he

1984
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 2: comes in the league. I think he's the top ten

1985
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:27,719
Speaker 2: receiver as a rookie. That's fair.

1986
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 1: I don't know about top ten because you know, there

1987
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 1: are a lot of good receivers in the league, but

1988
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna be I have no doubt in my mind

1989
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:35,719
Speaker 1: that Marvin Harrison Junior is going to be a stud,

1990
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 1: no doubt. Number two, probably my favorite prospect out of

1991
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 1: all these guys that I watched, Molik Neighbors, is that

1992
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 1: guy is a He's a dude. He is an absolute dude.

1993
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 1: I think the reason why I have him in the

1994
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 1: same tier as MGH is because his HJ.

1995
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah what I say, MG Mass general. I don't know

1996
01:30:57,960 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 2: why I said that.

1997
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 1: Leak Neighbors. The reason why I have him in the

1998
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 1: same tier as as Marvin is his acceleration and speed,

1999
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:11,640
Speaker 1: his play speed in general is a superpower that I

2000
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 1: think might be the best thing in this class. I

2001
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 1: don't think anybody does anything on one thing better than

2002
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:19,719
Speaker 1: Malik Neighbors does and Hidden the nas like that guy

2003
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:22,679
Speaker 1: Jo rockets on his back.

2004
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2005
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 2: And what I love about.

2006
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 1: His game is that it affects the game in so

2007
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 1: many different ways. Because it affects the game as a

2008
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:36,559
Speaker 1: horizontal you know crosser stretching the field horizontally, it affects

2009
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 1: the game on verticals. And I think what makes him

2010
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 1: so unique and when I was trying to figure out

2011
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 1: player comps because body type wise, him and Jamar Chase

2012
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 1: are like the same person. They're both like six' one

2013
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 1: two of five. But I think the difference is he's

2014
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 1: so fluid and slippery with the ball in his hands

2015
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 1: in YAC mode that I don't His speed just translates

2016
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 1: in so many different ways. Is it reminds me in

2017
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 1: a lot of ways of like how Tyreek Hill can

2018
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:07,679
Speaker 1: impact the game. Where is Tyreek Kill the best receiver

2019
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 1: in the NFL? I don't know, but Tyreek Kill's superpower

2020
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 1: is better than anybody else's superpower, and I think that

2021
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 1: Milik Neighbors' speed and game changing speed might be the

2022
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 1: best superpower in the Who's comp So this was tough

2023
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 1: because I again I think from a body type composition wise,

2024
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:27,600
Speaker 1: he fits a lot more like Jamar Chase, Like I

2025
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 1: think that that's a fair comp I think the way

2026
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 1: that he plays reminds me a lot of Jalen Waddle,

2027
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 1: just the way that he affects this. Like I said,

2028
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:38,680
Speaker 1: with the speed in all three levels, his ability to

2029
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 1: run through angles with the ball in his hand. You know,

2030
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,720
Speaker 1: I posted a play yesterday of Jayden Daniels and I

2031
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 1: made a big deal about the throw because I don't

2032
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 1: think Milik Neighbors is gonna be easily obtainable for the Patriots.

2033
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:50,760
Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense for them at that point

2034
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 1: in the draft. But he takes like a little skinny

2035
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 1: like a you know, five step slant, and he just

2036
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:00,639
Speaker 1: runs through the angle and then turns upfield. There's only

2037
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: a couple guys in the league that can has that

2038
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 1: kind of speed. It's like Jamison Williams, who I thought about,

2039
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 1: But I think that he's got a little bit more

2040
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 1: bigger laid on the bones Jalen wattle Hill, Like, those

2041
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 1: are the guys that can do those types of things

2042
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 1: where they catch the ball and they're just instantly moving

2043
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:20,439
Speaker 1: at a different speed than everybody else. I love Molakue Neighbors.

2044
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 1: He's probably my favorite player in the draft. And that's

2045
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 1: no disrespect to Marvin Harrison Junior, who's a better prospect overall.

2046
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 1: I can see that, Yeah, but just in terms of

2047
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:30,600
Speaker 1: the way that he plays, Like that's the receiver that

2048
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 1: I want on my team. Like, that's the way I

2049
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 1: want my guys playing some Lake dams number two.

2050
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 2: So I have Harrison one in his own tier. Yeah,

2051
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 2: and then I have Neighbors in a dounsay. I actually

2052
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 2: kind of like a dounsay better than neighbors, just that

2053
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:46,680
Speaker 2: I understand that I maybe and maybe this is the

2054
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 2: Patriots aren't gonna be able to get either of them.

2055
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 2: But maybe this is viewing it through Patriots lens. Yeah.

2056
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 2: I talked to earlier about making things easy for the quarterback,

2057
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 2: right roma Dunsay is such a quarterback friendly wide receiver,

2058
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:01,960
Speaker 2: Like he gets open, he's got a great catch radius,

2059
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 2: he's consistent, he wrote, when you watch him run, you

2060
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 2: know whatever, pick around an out route, slamp, a post,

2061
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. He runs it the

2062
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 2: same way every single time. He still manages to get open.

2063
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 2: But so like if you're a quarterback, you don't need

2064
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 2: all right, well, is he running it? And this is

2065
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 2: gonna sound like minutia, but it's not. Is he running it?

2066
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 3: It?

2067
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:23,200
Speaker 2: Is he running the five yard out at five yards?

2068
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 2: Or is he running it at four and a half

2069
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 2: or is he running it at five and a half.

2070
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 2: You can set your watch to where roam Adoonsa is

2071
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 2: gonna be on any given assignment. I think it's catch

2072
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:32,840
Speaker 2: radius is fantastic. I love how physical he is at

2073
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 2: the top of the route. At the catch point you're

2074
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 2: really not gonna muscle a football away from him. Sneaky

2075
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 2: good after the catch, red zone threat. I just his

2076
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 2: game so well rounded and it's so consistent. I'm a

2077
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 2: huge and it's not I agree with everything you said

2078
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 2: about in the Lak Neighbors, but I do think there's

2079
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 2: some The guy's your name, Jamison Williams has Amanas Saint Brown,

2080
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 2: Jalen Waddle has Tyreek Hill. I think to unlock a

2081
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 2: player like that takes a little bit more work from

2082
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 2: the quarterback, from the offensive coordinator from both not to

2083
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 2: say they're not good, and if you know, the upside's

2084
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 2: probably higher, but most teams picking at this point in

2085
01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 2: the draft, they're sort of starting from scratch. You put

2086
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 2: Roma Duneze out there in whatever situation, and he's gonna

2087
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:16,599
Speaker 2: produce for you and he's gonna be a factor. So Mike,

2088
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 2: Actually I was struggling with the comp for Neighbors too.

2089
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 2: Waddle is a good one. I hadn't thought of that. Yeah,

2090
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:23,120
Speaker 2: Mike Couch.

2091
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 1: He's bigger than wat. He's bigger, but he plays.

2092
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 2: Like Yeah, so it's funny. I was gonna say faster

2093
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:32,160
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase, but that felt too high.

2094
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:36,720
Speaker 1: So the biggest difference between Jamar Chase and Neighbors is

2095
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 1: I think Jamar Chase is much better at the catch point. Yeah,

2096
01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:41,880
Speaker 1: and so he's got that physicality at the catchpoint that

2097
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:42,640
Speaker 1: Neighbors doesn't have.

2098
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:45,800
Speaker 2: But he but Neighbors is so much looser with the neighbors.

2099
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:48,080
Speaker 2: Neighbors is one of those guys that would fall into

2100
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 2: the unicorn category. For me. We're like, I don't You're

2101
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 2: not gonna find Molie Neighbors in the draft this year,

2102
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 2: So freaking But my comp for a dooonsday and everybody

2103
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 2: knows how much people are gonna be surprised. Actually, but

2104
01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 2: I really really liked this or liked him. He had

2105
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:00,800
Speaker 2: a dad hear this year. But I think he's been

2106
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:02,840
Speaker 2: one of the most underrated players in the NFL for

2107
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:07,120
Speaker 2: the last two or three years. Is Stefan Diggs really see?

2108
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:10,439
Speaker 1: I think with a Duneza, I think he's too good

2109
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 1: at the catch point like Diggs. Digs to me is

2110
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 1: to a top of the route guy like his his

2111
01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:17,719
Speaker 1: physical Stan Diggs.

2112
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 2: But I just mean, like, what doesn't Stefan Diggs do

2113
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 2: when the Bills offense? Like he's Yeah, they've struggled between

2114
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:27,000
Speaker 2: Gabe Davis, between all these guys, they've never truly found

2115
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 2: that second receiver. And yet Stefan Diggs with all the

2116
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 2: attention on him, with a quarterback that's occasionally sprang the ball,

2117
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:36,400
Speaker 2: just Monster game after Monster game after Monster game, he

2118
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:39,479
Speaker 2: just shows up and you can set your watch until

2119
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:40,880
Speaker 2: this year. He fell apart this year, but like you

2120
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:43,839
Speaker 2: can set your watch to Stefan Diggs no matter the situation.

2121
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 2: So that's how I feel about Roma.

2122
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:47,519
Speaker 1: Dune I've had the same conference Roma Dunsa I agree

2123
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:49,680
Speaker 1: with everything that you said. I think the biggest thing

2124
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:52,800
Speaker 1: with for me with Roma Dunza first of all, subscribes

2125
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 1: to everything as a fade, which I love so like everything.

2126
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 1: His route looks the same for like seventy five percent

2127
01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 1: of the route, which makes it so difficult to cover

2128
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:04,479
Speaker 1: because he can run by you, or he can break

2129
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 1: off a dig. He can stop right and you know,

2130
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:09,840
Speaker 1: be a stop router or sit route whatever you want

2131
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 1: to call a hitch, or you know, he can break

2132
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:14,760
Speaker 1: across the field on a crossing route. Everything looks the

2133
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 1: same until it's not. Love those types of guys. Those

2134
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 1: are crafty guys. Those are guys that know what they're doing. Also,

2135
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:24,559
Speaker 1: his ability, his hands and at the catch point that

2136
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 1: that to me is what puts him in the same

2137
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:28,799
Speaker 1: tier as Neighbors and Marvin Harrison Junior. Is the adjustments

2138
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:30,280
Speaker 1: on the ball and the catchway like they touchdown. He

2139
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 1: caught against Texas or is an Oregon I don't remember

2140
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 1: which one, the back shoulder that he caught against.

2141
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:36,519
Speaker 2: I think he was talking about the Oregon one. Yeah, yeah, No,

2142
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:39,639
Speaker 2: he's he's a vacuum. You put the ball down. Play

2143
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 2: is undefensible. There is no way to guard that throw

2144
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 2: in that catch, which again to go back to my point,

2145
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 2: the quarterback friendly.

2146
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:49,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna make. My con for him has been

2147
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 1: consistently DeAndre Hopkins. I still think it's DeAndre Hopkins. He's

2148
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 1: a little taller, excuse me, So I'm like still sick

2149
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 1: of them.

2150
01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:58,280
Speaker 2: I just forget. DeAndre Hopkins is six to one. He's

2151
01:37:58,280 --> 01:37:59,200
Speaker 2: stills so much time.

2152
01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he plays is bigger than he he's his height,

2153
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 1: And I would say that that's my comp still for

2154
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 1: a dunesday is DeAndre Hopkins. So if you come away

2155
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 1: from this draft with a Devanta Adams, a Jalen Waddle

2156
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 1: slash Jamar Chase Cyborg, yeah, or DeAndre Hopkins, I think

2157
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:15,760
Speaker 1: he did pretty good.

2158
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2159
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:17,400
Speaker 1: And that's why I put all of them in the

2160
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 1: same because.

2161
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 2: I just think Harrison is his own thing.

2162
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 1: I think Harrison might be his own thing. And I

2163
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:25,439
Speaker 1: was close to putting him in one and the other

2164
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 1: two and in their own separate one. But it's just

2165
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 1: all three of those guys that you come away from

2166
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 1: a draft and you and in five years you're saying

2167
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,000
Speaker 1: you're guys as good as DeAndre Hopkins. That is a

2168
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:39,720
Speaker 1: tier one and elite blue chip player. Yeah, and so

2169
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 1: that's why I put them all in the same tier.

2170
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 1: So my tier two only has one receiver in it

2171
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:47,679
Speaker 1: because I think that there's a weird those three guys.

2172
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:48,800
Speaker 1: To me, you are all top ten guys.

2173
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2174
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 1: Then I think that there's one guy that's sort of

2175
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 1: in the ten to twenty Sorry I'm dying over here,

2176
01:38:56,720 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 1: ten to twenty five range, right that. And there's another

2177
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 1: tier tier, my Tier three, which is all like twenty

2178
01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:04,120
Speaker 1: five to forty.

2179
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:04,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2180
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 1: So Brian Thomas from LSU is my one Tier two guy.

2181
01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's kind of in his own I'd put a

2182
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 2: second guy in there, go ahead.

2183
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:14,240
Speaker 1: He's in the tweeter. To me, I really liked watching him.

2184
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I think that the biggest thing that

2185
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 1: he has is that straight line down the field, linear explosiveness.

2186
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:23,600
Speaker 2: He's like a classic LSU wide receiver.

2187
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:26,639
Speaker 1: Classic LSU wide receiver. He can just run by people

2188
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:29,439
Speaker 1: that he will run right through the defense. Is he

2189
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:33,240
Speaker 1: the best route runner? Is he a technician? No, he's not,

2190
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 1: but he's got that ability to just hit the gas

2191
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 1: and go buy everybody. And then I do think that

2192
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:42,040
Speaker 1: his size does translate at the catch point to having

2193
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:45,719
Speaker 1: a good catch radius, and that's important to track a

2194
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:48,720
Speaker 1: just high point when you're that kind of receiver. That's

2195
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:51,679
Speaker 1: those are important traits. So I'm gonna say this cop

2196
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:54,640
Speaker 1: and people are gonna be like, that's it. But just

2197
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:57,639
Speaker 1: remember that if his life doesn't go off the rails,

2198
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:00,320
Speaker 1: that Marteves Bryant would have been an absolute mind monster

2199
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:02,599
Speaker 1: for a long time. So I look at him as

2200
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:05,519
Speaker 1: very similar to Martabs Bryant, where he just has that

2201
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 1: ability to just run by the entire defense and there's

2202
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:09,400
Speaker 1: not a lot of guys like that.

2203
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:11,920
Speaker 2: I put Keon Coleman in that end of the first round.

2204
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 2: Oh you know, I know you don't like Keon Coleman,

2205
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:16,559
Speaker 2: but no, the reality is there's gonna be a team

2206
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:20,479
Speaker 2: that sees a guy that's six ' four that just

2207
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:24,320
Speaker 2: gets to every single football around him and says, yeah,

2208
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:27,240
Speaker 2: we can make that work. Honestly, it might be the Bengals.

2209
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:30,679
Speaker 1: You you you replace, so you put Thomas and Coleman

2210
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:31,800
Speaker 1: in the same tier, is what you're saying.

2211
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And and like if I'm the Bengals, I'm

2212
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:36,160
Speaker 2: sitting there at the end of first round and I

2213
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 2: don I'm gonna lose T Higgins may even training T Higgins.

2214
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 2: Keon Coleman like he's just red zone threat. He's just

2215
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:46,720
Speaker 2: never gets open. But he literally never open, but he

2216
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:48,799
Speaker 2: is because he's six four and.

2217
01:40:49,120 --> 01:40:52,519
Speaker 1: But that's that is such a low percentage trait, Like

2218
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 1: it's such a.

2219
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:56,519
Speaker 2: But if you have an accurate quarterback, it's not I

2220
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:59,720
Speaker 2: hear you. I And I'm not saying I'm not saying

2221
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:00,559
Speaker 2: the Paide should take.

2222
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:03,000
Speaker 1: Him, but yeah, I think it's more about the Patriots's.

2223
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:04,559
Speaker 2: Okay, there's gonna be a team that says, this guy like,

2224
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:07,880
Speaker 2: we got a bunch of small, faster receivers, Yeah, we

2225
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:09,800
Speaker 2: need a guy in the red zone. We need a

2226
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:12,200
Speaker 2: guy that can kind of be a matchup, piece of

2227
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:15,679
Speaker 2: compliment to them for what Keon Coleman does. I understand

2228
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:18,080
Speaker 2: you don't necessarily value his skill set, right, but for

2229
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:20,760
Speaker 2: the skill set he has, he does it at an

2230
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:23,960
Speaker 2: incredibly high level. And there's gonna be a team that

2231
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:25,360
Speaker 2: looks at that and say the other thing, this is

2232
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:27,479
Speaker 2: what we want, we want to have this skill set.

2233
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:30,479
Speaker 1: We are off Keon Coleman. So that Keon Coleman's in

2234
01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:33,439
Speaker 1: my next tier. So I'll just start off there. My

2235
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:34,040
Speaker 1: next tier.

2236
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:35,960
Speaker 2: You also have to remember with ke On Coleman, this

2237
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:39,439
Speaker 2: is a weird one because he's a transfer. He's only twenty. Yeah,

2238
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:43,280
Speaker 2: he's gonna get more fit, like physically, he's gonna I.

2239
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:46,000
Speaker 1: Like separators and he doesn't get open.

2240
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:47,599
Speaker 2: I get that. No, he's not your kind of guy.

2241
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:51,799
Speaker 2: But there are there are NFL gms that are interested

2242
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:54,880
Speaker 2: in six or four guys that catch everything that's thrown

2243
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 2: in their zip code. Okay, I'll get I'll get to

2244
01:41:57,439 --> 01:41:57,960
Speaker 2: that in the second.

2245
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So Tier three, Uh Troy Franklin, who I know,

2246
01:42:02,240 --> 01:42:02,880
Speaker 1: you're not a big.

2247
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:04,880
Speaker 2: I have more. I have more Tier three guys. You

2248
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:07,240
Speaker 2: mean my tier three because I had Harrison a Tier

2249
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:11,519
Speaker 2: one okay, Brian Thomas, Keyon Coleman, and the two Texas

2250
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:13,040
Speaker 2: guys okay, Adie Mitchell and Zavior.

2251
01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:15,320
Speaker 1: So the two Texas guys are in my my tier

2252
01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 1: three because I had Thomas by himself. Uh Troy Franklin, yeap,

2253
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy who you know. I love that guy.

2254
01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:25,640
Speaker 2: I said two years ago, I was like, this is

2255
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:28,880
Speaker 2: Evan's guy. I knew that. I knew that was coming,

2256
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:30,559
Speaker 2: and you're right, by the way. I don't just disagree

2257
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:33,679
Speaker 2: with you. You're right, Adie Mitchell, Yeah, ke On Coleman. Okay,

2258
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:37,720
Speaker 2: So here's the thing about Coleman. I went into it

2259
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:38,439
Speaker 2: with an open mind.

2260
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:42,679
Speaker 1: You didn't I hate the skill set he didn't, be honest,

2261
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:45,160
Speaker 1: I did. And we were texting me in September when

2262
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:47,439
Speaker 1: he had that big game against LSU. You were like,

2263
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:50,040
Speaker 1: please don't let the Patriots draft this guy. So here's

2264
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 1: the thing that actually surprised me about his film. He

2265
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:56,800
Speaker 1: wasn't quite as good at contested catches as I thought

2266
01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:58,479
Speaker 1: he was going to be. The numbers back that up.

2267
01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:01,760
Speaker 1: But he's better with the ball in his hands than

2268
01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 1: I thought, So I'll give him that. He's actually pretty

2269
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:09,120
Speaker 1: good after the catch. Yeah, that's my compliment for him.

2270
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:12,640
Speaker 1: He's pretty good after the catch. What doesn't do it

2271
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:15,760
Speaker 1: for me is like the one handed catches and the

2272
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:18,519
Speaker 1: things like that that because it's not consistent offense right

2273
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:22,680
Speaker 1: right now. At that being said, I thought he was

2274
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:25,599
Speaker 1: better after the catch than I expected, So I didn't complete.

2275
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:28,320
Speaker 1: I was in my head. I wanted to put him

2276
01:43:28,360 --> 01:43:30,400
Speaker 1: like on the floor. Yeah, but I didn't because I

2277
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:32,920
Speaker 1: give him credit for that. I already talked about ad

2278
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:36,720
Speaker 1: Mitchell a little bit today. I really like his his

2279
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:43,480
Speaker 1: ability to again move as a bigger guy, fluidity, change directions,

2280
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:48,519
Speaker 1: route running ability. My comp for him is a really

2281
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:52,799
Speaker 1: interesting one because this could be the top receiver available

2282
01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:54,920
Speaker 1: in free agency. I think he plays a lot like

2283
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:58,840
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman Junior. Interesting And so the question is if

2284
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:02,719
Speaker 1: you're a team, do you look at Adi Mitchell and say,

2285
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:05,880
Speaker 1: we can draft Ady Mitchell at thirty four or we

2286
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:09,479
Speaker 1: could pay Michael Pittman junior. How confident are we in

2287
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:13,880
Speaker 1: our evaluation of Adi Mitchell Because Michael Pittman, like Adie Mitchell,

2288
01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:18,280
Speaker 1: doesn't have blazing speed down the field. He's average Pittman

2289
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:20,640
Speaker 1: and with the Colts is average like eleven yards of

2290
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:23,960
Speaker 1: catch like he's a possession receiver that plays on the perimeter.

2291
01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:26,439
Speaker 1: I think Adie Mitchell is gonna be similar in the league.

2292
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:28,840
Speaker 1: The other thing I really liked about ad Mitchell on film,

2293
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:32,639
Speaker 1: he's very, very good at double moves and because he's.

2294
01:44:32,479 --> 01:44:34,400
Speaker 2: He's a better route runner than he should be first sized.

2295
01:44:34,439 --> 01:44:36,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's because he's so good as a possession guy

2296
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:38,960
Speaker 1: on like slants and in cuts and things like that.

2297
01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:41,640
Speaker 1: He can get guys to bite on those and then

2298
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:44,519
Speaker 1: that's how he creates his vertical separation so he's not

2299
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:46,760
Speaker 1: going to run by you, but he's got that at

2300
01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:48,960
Speaker 1: the slant and go, the double moves, those types of

2301
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:52,160
Speaker 1: things really really crafty and good salesman on those so

2302
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:52,679
Speaker 1: much that.

2303
01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:54,599
Speaker 2: My com for Ady Mitchell and this makes it really

2304
01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:58,599
Speaker 2: interesting for the Patriots. And there's a time period on this. Yeah,

2305
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:01,400
Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins, the mo Te Parker like.

2306
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:03,439
Speaker 1: So that's that to me is how I feel about

2307
01:45:03,479 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 1: Keon Coleman.

2308
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:08,320
Speaker 2: I yeah, there might be some of that. I don't know.

2309
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:12,280
Speaker 2: I think I I don't think Keon Coleman's as explosive.

2310
01:45:14,200 --> 01:45:16,680
Speaker 1: So then what is he good at? He's good at

2311
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:17,519
Speaker 1: catching jump.

2312
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:19,559
Speaker 2: Balls, he's good at being bigger than guys. But he's

2313
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:23,519
Speaker 2: like he he knows the body control is really good

2314
01:45:23,560 --> 01:45:26,599
Speaker 2: his size. He has the body control. He's good after

2315
01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:27,960
Speaker 2: the catch because he's hard to tackle.

2316
01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:30,880
Speaker 1: He's like sort of a tight end ish kind of

2317
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:35,599
Speaker 1: guy like I. For me with with Ady Mitchell, it's

2318
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:40,800
Speaker 1: that he's he's what you want an X to be. Yeah,

2319
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:43,040
Speaker 1: he's graceful, he's six or four.

2320
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:45,400
Speaker 2: I never that's it. KEONK. Coleman does stumble over himself

2321
01:45:45,400 --> 01:45:45,800
Speaker 2: a little bit.

2322
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:48,920
Speaker 1: Like, I don't think he's fluid. His body control in

2323
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:51,679
Speaker 1: the air is really good, like that touchdown Eddie caught

2324
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:55,519
Speaker 1: against Texas. Ye oh no, his body control, like he

2325
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:58,559
Speaker 1: just has that ability to just loft in the air,

2326
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:01,400
Speaker 1: like you know, I love I love guys like that.

2327
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:04,439
Speaker 2: I think him and Coleman. I think him and Coleman

2328
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:07,840
Speaker 2: are very comparable. I think they're in the same tiers

2329
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:10,200
Speaker 2: and I think that there's a lot of similarities between

2330
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:12,840
Speaker 2: the two. It's just do you want would you what

2331
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:15,560
Speaker 2: do you value more explosiveness off the line or explosiveness

2332
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 2: at the catch points.

2333
01:46:16,240 --> 01:46:18,880
Speaker 1: So I think that's basically like I think Coleman is

2334
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:22,679
Speaker 1: is definitely a better true like jump Ballard Night, because

2335
01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:25,360
Speaker 1: I do think ad Mitchell struggles at times with physicality

2336
01:46:25,400 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 1: at the top of the route and he'll have to

2337
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:29,760
Speaker 1: work on that. But in general, I I I think

2338
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:32,759
Speaker 1: that I just would rather the guy that can run routes.

2339
01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 2: So that's so that's and that's the big difference between

2340
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:38,599
Speaker 2: the two. Yeah, so yeah, I I I really can

2341
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:40,000
Speaker 2: they just draft the Texas offense?

2342
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:43,479
Speaker 1: So now now we get now we get the Xavier

2343
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:47,280
Speaker 1: Worthy who is just that is the dude like that

2344
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:49,759
Speaker 1: is my kind of guys.

2345
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:51,040
Speaker 2: Taller's a Flowers.

2346
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:54,280
Speaker 1: That's a good comp I see that in the way,

2347
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:56,679
Speaker 1: like his burst and his suddenness, Like there's some taint

2348
01:46:56,760 --> 01:46:58,200
Speaker 1: Dell in there as well.

2349
01:46:58,360 --> 01:47:01,559
Speaker 2: It's that guy. It's it's just Douglas. It's perfect.

2350
01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:05,439
Speaker 1: That ability to take like a little pass in the

2351
01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:08,599
Speaker 1: flat and then turn up field and gain forty yards

2352
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:11,920
Speaker 1: on it. The slot fades, the quickness with the ball

2353
01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:13,799
Speaker 1: in his hands, and at the top of the route

2354
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:16,599
Speaker 1: he's got return. He's like a returner in the open field.

2355
01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:20,160
Speaker 1: Ye like that that he gets open twenty four to seven.

2356
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:23,640
Speaker 1: He's got the quickness and he's got that ability. Is

2357
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:27,479
Speaker 1: he the most physically imposing receiver? Of course not that's

2358
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:29,800
Speaker 1: gonna be the problem or not the problem, but that's

2359
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:32,760
Speaker 1: gonna be He's gonna have to overcome that, right, is

2360
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:34,679
Speaker 1: that he is going to get bodied off.

2361
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:38,519
Speaker 2: At the catchpoint. It's just the troubles catching him. So

2362
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:40,200
Speaker 2: like that, I'm not as worried about it. You get

2363
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:42,600
Speaker 2: your hands on me, because I think that a.

2364
01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:44,840
Speaker 1: Good offensive coordinator is going to move him around and

2365
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:48,040
Speaker 1: get him off of press coverage. But I I love that.

2366
01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:50,200
Speaker 1: I love that type of player. I do and I

2367
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:52,599
Speaker 1: and for the same reasons. I'm a little bit higher

2368
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:55,400
Speaker 1: than you. I think on Troy Franklin, who I understand

2369
01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:58,120
Speaker 1: is not you know, it's dangerous for the Patriots because

2370
01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:00,479
Speaker 1: he he does have some Taekwon Thorton in them, but

2371
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:03,080
Speaker 1: he's a lot better I think off the line of

2372
01:48:03,120 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 1: scrimmage in his release package. He's a little bit more

2373
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:07,600
Speaker 1: crafty than that.

2374
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:09,559
Speaker 2: I just I've seen them draft that guy and he

2375
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:11,720
Speaker 2: just runs go routes and they just have running and

2376
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:13,400
Speaker 2: I get it's a new offense, but like.

2377
01:48:13,479 --> 01:48:15,200
Speaker 1: He's just a little bit more crafty than that.

2378
01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 2: I'd rather if they're gonna but he if you're gonna

2379
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 2: draft an X at that point, because they'll probably be

2380
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:23,519
Speaker 2: on the board. Take Adie Mitchell. Ady Mitchell is a

2381
01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:25,360
Speaker 2: more complete player for the same role.

2382
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:27,719
Speaker 1: I agree, he's a little bit more complete player.

2383
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:28,960
Speaker 2: I just want a little bit.

2384
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:32,519
Speaker 1: I think that with Troy Franklin, what impressed me was

2385
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:35,000
Speaker 1: that he does have some nuance to his game that

2386
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:36,160
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was gonna have.

2387
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:38,040
Speaker 2: Like I thought that he was just gonna get in

2388
01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:38,640
Speaker 2: the pack twelve O.

2389
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:40,640
Speaker 1: Then I know, I just thought that he was just

2390
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:42,960
Speaker 1: gonna run by people like when I know, that's what

2391
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:47,240
Speaker 1: I expected. In a lot of ways, his game reminds

2392
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:49,880
Speaker 1: me a little bit of Jerry Judy, But I think

2393
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 1: with Judy the difference was is that his game translated

2394
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:55,640
Speaker 1: to the slot a little bit more than I think

2395
01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:59,280
Speaker 1: Troy Franklins will. But Troy Franklin has some of that

2396
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, nuance and route releasing and things like that,

2397
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:06,880
Speaker 1: and his release package is a lot better than I expected.

2398
01:49:07,240 --> 01:49:10,400
Speaker 1: So I think that there is something there with Troy Flanking.

2399
01:49:10,479 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not for the Patriots, like maybe it's just

2400
01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:15,519
Speaker 1: not their type of guy right now, but I do

2401
01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:19,120
Speaker 1: like him. My only concerns about guys like Xavier Worthy

2402
01:49:19,960 --> 01:49:22,519
Speaker 1: in Troy Franklin and then my next tier guys too

2403
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:25,320
Speaker 1: are kind of my like day two route runners, Yeah,

2404
01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:30,400
Speaker 1: are in this offense for better or worse. They're gonna

2405
01:49:30,439 --> 01:49:34,200
Speaker 1: run the ball a lot. And those guys you already

2406
01:49:34,240 --> 01:49:37,280
Speaker 1: have a Pop Douglas, right, and like, how many of

2407
01:49:37,320 --> 01:49:39,120
Speaker 1: those types of guys are you gonna have in your offense?

2408
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:42,120
Speaker 1: Run blocking is not why you draft a Receiver's not

2409
01:49:42,160 --> 01:49:45,559
Speaker 1: why you don't draft a receiver. But the bottom line

2410
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:47,600
Speaker 1: is a lot of these really good offenses around the

2411
01:49:47,640 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 1: league San Francisco, Kansas City, Detroit, Baltimore. Guess what their

2412
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:56,400
Speaker 1: receivers all do. Their receivers all block and they're all

2413
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:58,840
Speaker 1: good blockers at the point of attack. You know, we

2414
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:02,280
Speaker 1: were talking about it during the Super Bowl. Juwan Jennings

2415
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:03,800
Speaker 1: might have been the MVP of the Super Bowl if

2416
01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:06,000
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers had won that game. Yep, He's

2417
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:08,040
Speaker 1: one of the best blocking receivers in the league. So

2418
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:10,960
Speaker 1: I do worry a little bit about having too many

2419
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:15,040
Speaker 1: finesse guys and too many undersized guys for the Patriots

2420
01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:17,120
Speaker 1: because I do think that Pop Douglas is still a

2421
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:17,720
Speaker 1: part of this lie.

2422
01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:20,960
Speaker 2: And that's again why I go back to to Eightie Mitchell. Yeah,

2423
01:50:21,120 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 2: like I just keep eighty. Mitchell's the guy to me, Like,

2424
01:50:23,320 --> 01:50:26,640
Speaker 2: if you can't tell all things considered eighty. If the

2425
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:28,160
Speaker 2: Patriots can find a way and I know that we

2426
01:50:28,200 --> 01:50:29,800
Speaker 2: talked about fore, they need to take a tackle it

2427
01:50:30,280 --> 01:50:31,920
Speaker 2: at thirty four, So I don't know how that happens,

2428
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:33,960
Speaker 2: but yeah, if they can find a way to make it.

2429
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:37,640
Speaker 1: Okay, So Tier four my last tier here. Yeah, Like

2430
01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:39,519
Speaker 1: I said, I call these like my day two route

2431
01:50:39,560 --> 01:50:42,799
Speaker 1: runners guys that just know how to get open. Roman Wilson,

2432
01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:46,000
Speaker 1: Lad McConkey, Jalen Polk. I really like all three of

2433
01:50:46,040 --> 01:50:48,040
Speaker 1: these players on day two. I think you could do

2434
01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:50,200
Speaker 1: a whole lot worse set. Oh you missed one, I

2435
01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:52,800
Speaker 1: miss one? I think, so who should have you? Don't

2436
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:53,479
Speaker 1: put Courley in.

2437
01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:54,360
Speaker 2: That in that group.

2438
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:58,920
Speaker 1: I liked Corley. I wasn't crazy about him. I didn't

2439
01:50:58,960 --> 01:51:02,160
Speaker 1: really think he fail up very well to physicality. And

2440
01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:04,080
Speaker 1: these guys are all going to play in the slot.

2441
01:51:04,280 --> 01:51:08,080
Speaker 1: So I look at Roman Wilson. I've used on mon

2442
01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:10,200
Speaker 1: Ros Saint Brown in the past over my comp there

2443
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:15,519
Speaker 1: just smooth, effishent bursty, really good with the ball in

2444
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:18,479
Speaker 1: his hands. I love Roman Wilson. I think that that's

2445
01:51:18,520 --> 01:51:20,240
Speaker 1: a guy that I would take ten times out of ten.

2446
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:26,599
Speaker 1: Lad McConkie. Lad McConkie's faster than you think. Lad McConkie, he's.

2447
01:51:26,479 --> 01:51:28,280
Speaker 2: Starting to think the comp for him is Chris Hogan.

2448
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:34,000
Speaker 2: I think Lad McConkie's comp to me is more like

2449
01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:38,760
Speaker 2: Adam Thielen. But hey, let's not do this thing. What

2450
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:41,200
Speaker 2: is there's nobody else we can think of?

2451
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:45,200
Speaker 1: No, he's he's He's a slot white receiver, a white

2452
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:48,000
Speaker 1: slot receiver. That's what he is. I'm not afraid to

2453
01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 1: say it. It's Adam Feeling, It's Jordy Nelson maybe, but

2454
01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:52,759
Speaker 1: I think Jordan Nelson was bigger.

2455
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:54,360
Speaker 2: Jordy Nelson played more on a boundary.

2456
01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:57,920
Speaker 1: Lad McConkie I like a lot. The one thing I like.

2457
01:51:58,600 --> 01:52:01,160
Speaker 1: I don't think Lad McConkie's got be to run by people.

2458
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:03,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to be a vertical threat.

2459
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:05,639
Speaker 1: But he's got really good acceleration in the first ten

2460
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:08,559
Speaker 1: yards and that gets guys to open up right, so

2461
01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:11,120
Speaker 1: then he can break off his routes, dig rats, slant

2462
01:52:11,200 --> 01:52:14,439
Speaker 1: route crosser. If you can't get off the line of

2463
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:17,559
Speaker 1: scrimmage with some bursts and some momentum, it makes it

2464
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:20,280
Speaker 1: Those guys can just sit on those routes right, So

2465
01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:22,759
Speaker 1: he's able to get people to open up their hips

2466
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:25,000
Speaker 1: and move for vertically up the field, and then he

2467
01:52:25,040 --> 01:52:27,800
Speaker 1: can break it down. Really crafty route runner. The other

2468
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:31,559
Speaker 1: cop sticking with the white wide receivers. Hunter Renfro, Little

2469
01:52:31,640 --> 01:52:32,599
Speaker 1: Hunter Renfro in his.

2470
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:35,040
Speaker 2: Game, all right, I feel about Hunter Renfro. You don't

2471
01:52:35,080 --> 01:52:37,559
Speaker 2: like Jalen Polk? Uh?

2472
01:52:37,640 --> 01:52:39,240
Speaker 1: Do you know who Jalen Polk reminds me a lot of.

2473
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:41,599
Speaker 2: No.

2474
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:43,360
Speaker 1: Not, I don't really see a lot of Jacoby. I

2475
01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:46,760
Speaker 1: don't see craftiness like Jacoby. I saw vert I got

2476
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:47,880
Speaker 1: the Washington guys backwards.

2477
01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:48,280
Speaker 2: Never mind.

2478
01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:50,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I could see that with what's his name, McMillan,

2479
01:52:50,479 --> 01:52:53,320
Speaker 1: mc millan, Yeah, okay, Jalen Polk. It reminds me a

2480
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:56,439
Speaker 1: lot of of Jabreen. I could see that in Green Bay.

2481
01:52:57,040 --> 01:53:00,920
Speaker 1: I was hoping. I really wanted to Jalen Polk because

2482
01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:02,120
Speaker 1: I think that he's gonna go at a time of

2483
01:53:02,160 --> 01:53:04,240
Speaker 1: the draft where they might be able to get him. Yeah,

2484
01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:08,360
Speaker 1: but he's not He's not really a route runner per se,

2485
01:53:08,479 --> 01:53:11,000
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't call him like like these other guys

2486
01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:14,800
Speaker 1: like Wilson and Maconkey. Yeah, he's more of like a

2487
01:53:14,920 --> 01:53:18,360
Speaker 1: very very good speed guy, and he's gonna run crossing routes.

2488
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:20,960
Speaker 1: He's gonna run vertical slot fades, you know, things from

2489
01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:24,000
Speaker 1: condensed formations inside, and he's gonna run away from people.

2490
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:26,040
Speaker 2: And I think that's a lot like Jayden Reed. So yeah,

2491
01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:29,559
Speaker 2: I think on day two, I'm with you, Roman Wilson. Uh,

2492
01:53:31,160 --> 01:53:33,000
Speaker 2: I pulled up my phone outs my computer died. Roman

2493
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:35,439
Speaker 2: Wilson lied McConkey. Like your slot guys, I think you

2494
01:53:35,479 --> 01:53:38,200
Speaker 2: have like the early day two x guys, which is

2495
01:53:38,200 --> 01:53:40,320
Speaker 2: to me is Xavier to Get and Tess Walker. Yeah,

2496
01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:43,240
Speaker 2: put those two guys in the bucket together. And then

2497
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:46,040
Speaker 2: the group that really interests me is there's three guys

2498
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:48,120
Speaker 2: like late on day three that I all find fascinating.

2499
01:53:48,120 --> 01:53:50,439
Speaker 2: They're all slightly different receivers, but I think they could

2500
01:53:50,439 --> 01:53:51,920
Speaker 2: all sort of play the same role, or two of

2501
01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:56,080
Speaker 2: them could. Ricky pier Saw, Johnny Wilson, Brennan Rice. So

2502
01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:57,840
Speaker 2: I really like Ricky pier Salton that.

2503
01:53:57,880 --> 01:53:58,200
Speaker 9: Is my.

2504
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:01,840
Speaker 2: And I mean this in a good way. F around

2505
01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:05,519
Speaker 2: and find out tire because I look at those guys

2506
01:54:05,560 --> 01:54:08,600
Speaker 2: just so. Brendan Rice probably is the most stagnant, Like

2507
01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:09,040
Speaker 2: I think.

2508
01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:13,640
Speaker 1: He's a I think it's a fourth round pick im

2509
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:15,240
Speaker 1: at the end of day three, I begaend somebody, I

2510
01:54:15,240 --> 01:54:16,519
Speaker 1: guess how he works out.

2511
01:54:16,439 --> 01:54:19,559
Speaker 2: And he seems especially for a guy that, like, you know,

2512
01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:21,320
Speaker 2: his dad's Jerry Rice, you'd think he kind of walk

2513
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:22,400
Speaker 2: out there and be one of these like do you

2514
01:54:22,439 --> 01:54:24,840
Speaker 2: know how my who my dad is? Guys, that dude

2515
01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:27,599
Speaker 2: is a dog, That dude has the motor.

2516
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:29,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, with all that, he definitely has a

2517
01:54:29,439 --> 01:54:32,840
Speaker 1: lot more compete and plays way way different than.

2518
01:54:32,720 --> 01:54:36,000
Speaker 2: His complete player. But I think he's more of like

2519
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:40,000
Speaker 2: a true X. Ricky Piersall and Johnny Wilson interested hell

2520
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:42,360
Speaker 2: out of me, you know who. Ricky Piersall right a

2521
01:54:42,360 --> 01:54:44,160
Speaker 2: little bit, Johnny Wilson worries me. I know we're gonna

2522
01:54:44,160 --> 01:54:46,080
Speaker 2: get John Wilson, you know who. Ricky piers reminds me

2523
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:48,360
Speaker 2: of a little bit. This is a weird comp and

2524
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:51,600
Speaker 2: it's not necessarily the play style, but when I look

2525
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:54,640
Speaker 2: at Ricky Piersoll, he plays wide receiver like an a

2526
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:59,640
Speaker 2: hole like he he runs physical routes like there's times

2527
01:54:59,680 --> 01:55:02,360
Speaker 2: where he he gets open, but instead of just breaking open,

2528
01:55:02,720 --> 01:55:04,960
Speaker 2: it's almost like he shoves the corner, just not as

2529
01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:07,320
Speaker 2: an OPI, but just to be like I want you

2530
01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:09,080
Speaker 2: to feel me like. And you know who that reminds

2531
01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:10,480
Speaker 2: me of, because there's not many guys I've seen. Do

2532
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:13,880
Speaker 2: you say, Isaiah Pacheco, No, it's worse. You're gonna roll

2533
01:55:13,880 --> 01:55:17,360
Speaker 2: your eyes and hurt Steve Smith. Steve Smith used to

2534
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:20,120
Speaker 2: run route no no, no, no no no. I'm not

2535
01:55:20,120 --> 01:55:23,920
Speaker 2: comparing them as players, but the mentality whereas like when

2536
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:26,040
Speaker 2: Steve Smith runs arount, you go back, you watch him.

2537
01:55:26,080 --> 01:55:28,520
Speaker 2: After I say this, you'll see it. Steve Smith runs

2538
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:31,160
Speaker 2: arount like he wants the corner to be hurt by

2539
01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:33,640
Speaker 2: his route, like he wants to you know what I mean.

2540
01:55:33,800 --> 01:55:36,320
Speaker 2: I kind of like ice upside right. He runs angry.

2541
01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:40,720
Speaker 2: He runs angry. Ricky Piersoll just constantly seems annoyed that

2542
01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:43,120
Speaker 2: there's a corner trying to stop him and he's taking

2543
01:55:43,160 --> 01:55:45,800
Speaker 2: it out personally on the corner. I love that. I

2544
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:47,680
Speaker 2: like Ricky Piasol, and then on top of that, he's

2545
01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:48,080
Speaker 2: a good player.

2546
01:55:48,120 --> 01:55:49,800
Speaker 1: But like so you mentioned that, you know, these are

2547
01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:52,160
Speaker 1: all kind of guys that I put in like what

2548
01:55:52,280 --> 01:55:55,600
Speaker 1: I not my favorite types of players. I like Ricky Piersol,

2549
01:55:55,600 --> 01:55:57,240
Speaker 1: though I would put him maybe a little bit above

2550
01:55:57,280 --> 01:56:00,400
Speaker 1: these other guys. Xavier Legett worries the crap out of me,

2551
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:05,520
Speaker 1: like that more than Walker tes Walker, I think, yes

2552
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:08,400
Speaker 1: and no. I think Xavier Legette is something that you

2553
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:10,280
Speaker 1: think you're getting, something that you're not gonna get, you

2554
01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:11,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like tes Walker, I feel like,

2555
01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, probably like a number two, number three receiver.

2556
01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:17,080
Speaker 2: Like so you worry Xavier leget it's a little nick

2557
01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:17,920
Speaker 2: Hil Harrie Ish.

2558
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:21,320
Speaker 1: He reminds me a lot of Leviska Shenault. Oh said

2559
01:56:21,320 --> 01:56:23,800
Speaker 1: that just because of the way he's built. Yeah, And

2560
01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:27,040
Speaker 1: I just look at Xavier Lagett and I think people

2561
01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:31,360
Speaker 1: think they're drafting Deebo Samuel and they're drafting Leviska Shenalt okay,

2562
01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:34,000
Speaker 1: and that, like, that's the worst feeling, right when you

2563
01:56:34,040 --> 01:56:36,280
Speaker 1: get a player that you think is gonna be like

2564
01:56:36,360 --> 01:56:38,760
Speaker 1: a game changer in your offense, a featured part of

2565
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:40,960
Speaker 1: your offense, and he ends up just being this kind

2566
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:42,400
Speaker 1: of like gadget guy that's you.

2567
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:43,760
Speaker 2: Know, fourth or fifth. Three. Wait, what do you think

2568
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Speaker 2: of Piersall? I like Piersall a lot. Yeah.

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01:56:46,040 --> 01:56:48,960
Speaker 1: I thinks his route running ability really stood out at

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01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:51,680
Speaker 1: this Senior Bowl. I think the one thing that worries

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01:56:51,880 --> 01:56:54,040
Speaker 1: I worry about with him compared to Lab mcconkey's, he

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01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:56,360
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily have the gear that Lad McConkie does.

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01:56:56,440 --> 01:56:59,640
Speaker 2: I think Lave mccacky's faster. But but Pierce so sneaky good.

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01:56:59,640 --> 01:57:03,760
Speaker 2: After the highlight, Pierce again because of the voter little

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01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:06,400
Speaker 2: like Josh Reynolds Dish, you know, Josh Reynolds on the

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01:57:06,440 --> 01:57:08,640
Speaker 2: line yeah, I see a little bit of that.

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Speaker 1: See that's not a white guy for you.

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01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:14,240
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, no, I I I think that's fair. Wilson

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01:57:14,280 --> 01:57:18,480
Speaker 2: to me is just fascinating, like he's a it's the Joe.

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01:57:18,280 --> 01:57:23,200
Speaker 1: Milton things his position, Like what if you used him

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01:57:23,240 --> 01:57:23,520
Speaker 1: as like.

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01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:25,560
Speaker 2: A big zine just sent him over the middle.

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01:57:26,360 --> 01:57:28,680
Speaker 1: I think the idea of Johnny Wilson's a lot better

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01:57:28,720 --> 01:57:31,120
Speaker 1: than what he currently is Joe Milton, and that can

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01:57:31,240 --> 01:57:33,880
Speaker 1: that that those types of players always terrify me because

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01:57:33,880 --> 01:57:35,480
Speaker 1: you have to develop, you have to be really good

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01:57:35,480 --> 01:57:35,920
Speaker 1: at developing.

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01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:37,280
Speaker 2: You have to have a plan for him. But yeah,

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01:57:37,640 --> 01:57:39,840
Speaker 2: I get he's the wide receiver Joe Milton. I'll say

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01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:42,360
Speaker 2: that again. We're like, I'm very interested by Johnny Wilson.

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01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:44,400
Speaker 2: I don't know whether or not he's good, and I

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01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:46,360
Speaker 2: don't necessarily think the Patriot should take him because they

2593
01:57:46,360 --> 01:57:48,600
Speaker 2: don't have the flexibility to figure out who he is.

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01:57:49,240 --> 01:57:54,280
Speaker 2: But he's six seven. He supposedly runs high four four

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01:57:54,360 --> 01:57:57,200
Speaker 2: low four five. The only thing he can't and he

2596
01:57:57,480 --> 01:58:00,520
Speaker 2: moves really well for guy his size, like laterally he's quick,

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01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:02,920
Speaker 2: he just can't catch the football.

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01:58:03,160 --> 01:58:07,560
Speaker 1: Oh oh, go ahead receiverall he's really good at let me.

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01:58:07,720 --> 01:58:10,080
Speaker 2: But it's not even that he's really good at contested catches.

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01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:12,480
Speaker 2: At the catch point, when there's a corner there, he's excellent.

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01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:14,480
Speaker 2: He always catches it. But if he's running like a

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01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:17,480
Speaker 2: five yard incut and the corner loses him and it

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01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:19,480
Speaker 2: doesn't just bounce off his hands, it goes up in

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01:58:19,520 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 2: the air, and then anything can happen. So I feel

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01:58:22,360 --> 01:58:23,720
Speaker 2: like I.

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01:58:23,680 --> 01:58:27,240
Speaker 1: Just I've lost patience with like the Mike Sikis of

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01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:29,400
Speaker 1: the world. And I'm not saying that it's a perfect

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01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:32,760
Speaker 1: comp But is he a receiver? Is he a tight end?

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01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:34,360
Speaker 2: No, he's a receiver. Johnny Wilson is a receiver. I

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01:58:34,360 --> 01:58:35,840
Speaker 2: don't think he's tight He's a receiver.

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01:58:35,600 --> 01:58:39,480
Speaker 1: Okay, but he's regardless. It's there's gonna he's gonna be

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01:58:39,560 --> 01:58:41,600
Speaker 1: like a big slot which has overlap with a guy

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01:58:41,640 --> 01:58:43,720
Speaker 1: like Asiki. And I'm not saying that like the Patriots

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01:58:43,720 --> 01:58:45,840
Speaker 1: are gonna. It's not about I think you can use

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01:58:46,720 --> 01:58:48,440
Speaker 1: I just don't know how much you're gonna get out

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01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:48,880
Speaker 1: of that play.

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01:58:48,920 --> 01:58:50,360
Speaker 2: I think you use him as a Z and you

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01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:52,760
Speaker 2: send him over the middle, because who's making a play

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01:58:52,760 --> 01:58:54,080
Speaker 2: on that guy over the middle?

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01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:58,480
Speaker 1: I I don't know you get him the ball in

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01:58:58,720 --> 01:59:03,400
Speaker 1: speed like author fifth round with Johnny Wilson and you

2622
01:59:03,480 --> 01:59:07,840
Speaker 1: have to have a plan and we're getting played off. Yeah,

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01:59:07,880 --> 01:59:10,520
Speaker 1: you've done enough for Johnny Wilson. No recency Okay, so well,

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01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:12,680
Speaker 1: no recency bias. We'll start that next week and we'll

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01:59:12,680 --> 01:59:13,480
Speaker 1: talk about the combine.

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01:59:13,480 --> 01:59:13,920
Speaker 2: See you then.

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