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Speaker 1: He woke up and chose violence. What did you do?

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Speaker 1: Honest. I think Headspace should release that meditation sound for

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Speaker 1: Like, see five dollars you want to see seat here?

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Speaker 1: But we're in We also are like having problems with

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Speaker 1: But let's choose violence with this next story. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: I'm about to read it. Let's do it. I just

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Speaker 1: A little because you didn't do muay Thai with us

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Speaker 2: But yeah, this person, this person shows to fight instead

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Speaker 2: This is a very I think it's very difficult one honestly,

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Speaker 2: Like what goes around comes around, Like he can't Yes,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And also I would love to see I know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these miss But I think that OPI is doing

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Speaker 2: It's emotionally taxing, and like I imagine too, like dealing

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Speaker 1: If you leave. Yeah. Yeah, but it's hard to leave,

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Speaker 2: It's like it sucks, but but it might be back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's kind of like the lesser of two evil

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Speaker 1: maybe come to Bali. When you come to Bali always

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Speaker 1: your time, which you will never get back. No, let's

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Speaker 2: I lost one hundred and forty six thousand dollars playing poker,

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Speaker 1: That's always the smart idea. Literally, this is the worst

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Speaker 1: So what's time on? Can you? Like? I guess if

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Speaker 2: I've been living alone in a new city for a

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Speaker 1: I got into the best.

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, one of our friends who lives in

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's like, like you said, literally everything

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Speaker 1: Sware to him. He is. He says he's learning a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would not to anyone but that friend Cam.

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Speaker 2: I have a decent job where I make around one

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Speaker 1: One hundred and forty six. Does it not like set

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Speaker 2: You know that's why that's why I think it's so

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Speaker 1: You know. You just think, all right, think about how

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Speaker 2: for marketing and then you like go into work and

432
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 2: they're like, hey, Sally, so your Facebook ads campaign didn't

433
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,840
Speaker 2: do too well, so you've lost ten grand today hopefully

434
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 2: you do like literally like that's when it is well.

435
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Speaker 1: But he's but he's he's learned everything, so that's not

436
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Speaker 1: going to happen. So he's going to be like, oh

437
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,280
Speaker 1: my god, now you're just winning every tournament, every cash game,

438
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Speaker 1: every hand.

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Speaker 2: I also like how we've completely full flopped and I

440
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 2: was like, gamble your LifeWay and you're like, no, you

441
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 2: could never do that.

442
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 1: You're like, well, I just realized he just spent all

443
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 1: this time and money learning, and that is something they

444
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 1: can never take away from you.

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00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,719
Speaker 2: That's true. Unlike all of your worldly possessions. Yeah that

446
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,160
Speaker 2: man your freedom by throwing you in jail. Yeah yeah,

447
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 2: but that they'll take away from you. Yeah, you can

448
00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 2: never take this away. Maybe except for lemotomy. Yeah yeah,

449
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 2: so don't get lobotomized.

450
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't do that.

451
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 2: I primarily played PLO six. I started with buyings of

452
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Speaker 2: one hundred dollars, but then I soon moved to five

453
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 2: hundred and then five thousand dollars. Why were you moving

454
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 2: up if you were losing? Go big or go home, baby,

455
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 2: But it's how we go big.

456
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Speaker 1: If you go home, dude. If you lose on the

457
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 1: one hundred dollar ones, it only gets more competitive as

458
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 1: you go higher. Big home, go big home, big home.

459
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Speaker 1: Go what's big home? Go big? Go or go home?

460
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Speaker 1: My god?

461
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 2: The only path I was losing often, but only after

462
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 2: I would run up insane scores similar every other day

463
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 2: I would load up for five k, running up to

464
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 2: thirty k as in game thirty thousand, but then proceed

465
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Speaker 2: to lose it all and then buy back six more times.

466
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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

467
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 2: I kept it mostly in balance with a couple of

468
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 2: big cash outs, getting up from the table with let's

469
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Speaker 2: say a seventy thousand dollars profit only because everyone else left. Okay,

470
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Speaker 2: see doing well, he's I think he's like the highest

471
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 2: extremes on both ends.

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Speaker 1: I think seventy thousand dollars profit. Yeah, I mean, but

473
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 1: that's gambling for you, right, Like, sometimes you're up, sometimes

474
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 1: you're down. You get addicted to the high and.

475
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 2: You literally can't control, like it just really like he's

476
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 2: just lost control.

477
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 1: He lost control. Yeah, hope, you're spirally man. Here we go.

478
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 2: But I was a consistent loser, losing on average twenty

479
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 2: k to thirty k per month.

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Speaker 1: Hey, if anything, at least he's consistent twenty to thirty

481
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: km on my entire what are you doing?

482
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, My entire salary would go into this

483
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 2: other than renter or food. The last week or so

484
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 2: of every month, I would be counting my dollars to

485
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Speaker 2: make sure I had enough to make it through.

486
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 1: And then it happened. What did he win? Did he win?

487
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: He won? I lost my balance completely. Wait, what what

488
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Speaker 1: do you mean?

489
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Speaker 2: I had a month where I lost over fifty thousand dollars.

490
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 2: I blew through my savings, took an advance from work,

491
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Speaker 2: and then I blew through that too.

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00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: Oh man, I really thought it was gonna be a

493
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 1: fairy tale. And he's just gonna come right back. No, no,

494
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: he got all right from the ashes. Yeah. Absolutely, Who

495
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 1: saw it? Comment? Who could have predicted this?

496
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: As of today, I'm down one hundred and forty six

497
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Oh, with twelve thousand dollars in debt and

498
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 2: about two hundred dollars to my name to last through

499
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 2: the month.

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Speaker 1: Dude, what are you doing?

501
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 2: I don't have enough for rent this month, and I

502
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 2: really don't know how I'm going to figure this out?

503
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: All right? Can I give you step one? Can get you?

504
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: Step one? Step one? You can destroy your computer? Yeah,

505
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 1: destroy it, delete your fucking poker at, block all poker websites.

506
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 1: Just just just don't go online. Man, No, stop you,

507
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 1: I retreat. Yeah to Bali Tobali. Every every solution to

508
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: ops problems is going to be bothered every place with

509
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: no Wi Fi, every no temptation to the jungle jungles

510
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 1: to the jungle for a month, go to Sri Lanka. Yeah,

511
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: it's apparently it's new Bali. There we go.

512
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Speaker 2: I am respected at work and seen as someone who

513
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 2: is highly logical and you shouldn't be respected anywhere. What

514
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 2: they don't know is that I'm also a degenerate gambler.

515
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 2: I'm sure I'll get through this. I have to and

516
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 2: I have to rebuild. But I just needed to put

517
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 2: this down and share it with someone, even if it

518
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 2: is just words in an empty sub Take care, guys.

519
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: Loneliness is a hell of a thing.

520
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, well one hundred and fifty k. Yeah.

521
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 2: I mean the first thing is like, you have to

522
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: do whatever you have to do to stop gambling.

523
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: I feel like right, like no, completely cut it, or

524
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: or maybe Op's luck is about to turn around. Op,

525
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: here we go, Here we go. You know those guys

526
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: that like give money in paper bags, well like the mafia.

527
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, take a loan from them, genius. You know

528
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: you probably have a car, use that as collateral. I

529
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: heard that you can.

530
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: Get a deal from sit Down from sixty percent interest

531
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 2: to five percent Yeah a day, pretty good deal.

532
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, to get a two percent interest per day yeah, dude,

533
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: you only need one good hand. I heard compound interest

534
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: is good. Compound interest is good, especially and you're the

535
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: one oing. Yeah, exactly, I OPI OPI. All right, you

536
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 1: got two options. Yes, one, destroy your computer lame. I

537
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: mean that's like the obvious thing to do. Two double

538
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: or nothing, baby double or fucking nothing. Take a loan

539
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: from the mafia, you know, put your knee caps on

540
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: the line, your car on the line, maybe like steal

541
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: from your grandma or something. Right, just need it. You

542
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: you put in five k, ye, you could be up

543
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty k by the day's end. Bam,

544
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: money back. And then why stop there? And then why stop?

545
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 1: Why stop there? You can be up three hundred kt,

546
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: keep going, never stop.

547
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Speaker 2: In all seriousness, I feel like he should find like

548
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: a like a gambling addiction like like recovery center or

549
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 2: like some some some sort of program, because.

550
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Speaker 1: Also because that's where the best gamblers are, you can

551
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Speaker 1: get tipped.

552
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: To that Loki probably is one of the best. No,

553
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: that's actually this is where the worst are because they've

554
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: lost all their money and not to stop.

555
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: But maybe they have little pieces of information you could take,

556
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: compile together create a new strategy, but like.

557
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 2: Also, I feel like that'll solve. I feel like this

558
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: was just bred out of like loneliness and boredom. Like

559
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 2: he literally had nothing to do with a girlfriend. All

560
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: this free time, Get a girlfriend, Get a girlfriend. We're

561
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: not looking at our producer Riley.

562
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: Oh, speaking of girlfriends, my Australian Bali girlfriend is maybe

563
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: coming back. See it. Remember how sad he was just

564
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: episodes ago. But literally an hour after we recorded, she

565
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: texted me saying that she had something come up and

566
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: changed her flights to stay in Bali. Totally not because

567
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: of me. Something happened, you know, something happened.

568
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 2: We've gambled on this story, but I think we should

569
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 2: put it all on the line for another one.

570
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Speaker 1: With the next one. Let's do it.