WEBVTT - I'm Starting To Get A Little Twitchy

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe, Ketty.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong and Getty and he Armstrong and Getty. Hi, y'all doing.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 1>We're about to talk a little bit about misinformation disinformation.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Zuckerberg was on Joe Rogan's Much Listen To podcast

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday, said some things that should be giant news stories,

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<v Speaker 1>but partially not because of the fires eating up a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time and space and newspapers and broadcast TV

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<v Speaker 1>and that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I think it's more about the media's hesitation

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<v Speaker 4>to admit what is plainly true about censorship and the

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<v Speaker 4>Biden administration in COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>But for instance, on misinformation disinformation, this is a breaking

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<v Speaker 1>story in the La Times right now. Investigators looking into

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<v Speaker 1>electric towers possible eating fire origin site. That's the big

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<v Speaker 1>fire in the Pasadena Altadeene area. Then you got the

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<v Speaker 1>other fire, the bigger fire the Palisades area. They think

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<v Speaker 1>the last story I read about it, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was also in the La Times some fireworks from

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<v Speaker 1>New Year's Eve had been smoldering and started that whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>There was an illegal arrested. Well, a bunch of people

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<v Speaker 1>detained an illegal they saw who had a fire torch

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<v Speaker 1>in his hand, like the way you light fires. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's nobody's nailed down that he started any fires. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>seeing lots of social media just blanket statements of illegals

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<v Speaker 1>are going around starting fires in La. Well, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that that any of these fires were started by

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<v Speaker 1>illegal I'd be more than happy to jump on that

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<v Speaker 1>story if it's nailed down, trust me, I'd love that story.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's no evidence that that's actually happening.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're on social media for a big crowd,

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<v Speaker 1>it's as if it's completely true and nailed That's the

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<v Speaker 1>way information works.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the way information works in the modern era.

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<v Speaker 1>For I know that for a lot of people on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, that story's done for the rest of their lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Illegals started these fires, even though that's not what happened,

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<v Speaker 1>at least not yet. So that's that's a difficult situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if you're trying to do your best in social

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<v Speaker 1>media and you know monitor what's true and what's not.

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<v Speaker 1>You go further the other direction, which Zuckerberg's about to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about with Joe Rogan on Friday, where you're putting

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<v Speaker 1>out things you know to be true and the government's

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<v Speaker 1>screaming at you and doesn't want you to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's let's start at the beginning here.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Mark Zuckerberg, guy runs Facebook on Joe Rogan on Friday.

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<v Speaker 5>But it was really in the last ten years that

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<v Speaker 5>people started pushing for like ideological base censorship. And I

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<v Speaker 5>think it was two main events that really triggered this.

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<v Speaker 5>Sixteen There was the election of President Trump, also coincided

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<v Speaker 5>with basically Brexit in the EU and sort of the

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<v Speaker 5>fragmentation of the EU. And then you know, in twenty

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<v Speaker 5>twenty there was COVID, And I think that those were

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<v Speaker 5>basically these two events were for the first time, we

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<v Speaker 5>just placed, we just faced this massive, massive institutional pressure

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<v Speaker 5>to basically start censoring content on ideological grounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Institutional pressure to censor content. Well, where was that coming

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<v Speaker 1>from and in what way? He talks more about it here.

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<v Speaker 5>It was during the Biden administration when they were trying

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<v Speaker 5>to roll out the vaccine program. And I'm generally like

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<v Speaker 5>pretty pro rolling out vaccines. I think on balance the

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<v Speaker 5>vaccines are more positive than negative. But I think that

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<v Speaker 5>while they're trying to push that program, they also tried

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<v Speaker 5>censor anyone who is basically arguing against it, and they

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<v Speaker 5>pushed us super hard to take down things that were

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<v Speaker 5>honestly were true, right, I mean, they basically pushed us

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<v Speaker 5>and said, you know, anything that says that vaccines might

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<v Speaker 5>have side effects you basically need to take down. And

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<v Speaker 5>I was just like, well, we're not going to do that, Like,

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<v Speaker 5>we're clearly not going to do that. I mean, that

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<v Speaker 5>is kind of inarguably.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have the audio of this, but he says

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<v Speaker 1>Biden administration officials used to call and scream at us,

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<v Speaker 1>demanding that we remove COVID related content, even things that

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<v Speaker 1>were facts or memes in humor. When we refused, we

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<v Speaker 1>found ourselves under investigation by several agencies.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, right, And I thought it was ironically kind of

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<v Speaker 4>ridiculously charming that he said we faced incredible institutional pressure.

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<v Speaker 4>The institution in question is not like the National Association

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<v Speaker 4>of orthod Donnists. It's the executive branch of the federal

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<v Speaker 4>government was calling him in, screaming at him and telling

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<v Speaker 4>him what to print and what not to print. It

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<v Speaker 4>sounds like censorship to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well especially, I mean when there is a clear penalty there.

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<v Speaker 1>When we refused, we found ourselves under investigation by several agencies.

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<v Speaker 4>Well right, yeah, As I said at the time when

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<v Speaker 4>I was howling about this, whether it's investigations or regulations

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<v Speaker 4>or lawsuits or just impediments, I mean, if a federal

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<v Speaker 4>government decides to f with you, pardon me, f with you,

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<v Speaker 4>they will they will make it impossible to do business

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<v Speaker 4>through the tax code. Witness the conservative organizations during the

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<v Speaker 4>Tea Party era or whatever. The Pea Party era is

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<v Speaker 4>a completely different era. I apologize I'm as spoke, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's and I was so bitterly disappointed when the Supreme Court,

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<v Speaker 4>in I think it was Murthy versus Missouri, essentially struck

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<v Speaker 4>down a lawsuit about this. Having gone back to refresh

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<v Speaker 4>my memory about it, it's the sort of you didn't

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<v Speaker 4>have standing to sue, assuming that past censorship would equal

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<v Speaker 4>future censorship. So they weren't asking the Supreme Court. Hey,

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<v Speaker 4>was that awful or not? It was at about a

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<v Speaker 4>particular injunction. So I would love to have the Supreme

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<v Speaker 4>Court hand down in whatever former, whatever pretext, the word

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<v Speaker 4>that no, this sort of censorship by proxy or through

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<v Speaker 4>the threat of action is a violation of.

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<v Speaker 2>The First Amendment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, rockstar lawyer Randy Barnett, who's got a great book

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<v Speaker 1>out right now, tweeted over the weekend the Biden administration

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<v Speaker 1>pressure on Facebook should be big news and a huge scandal,

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<v Speaker 1>big enough for Scotus to hear about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But will it. He thinks it should be a Supreme

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<v Speaker 2>Court case like you're just talking about. I think so too.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is a big deal. The fact that it.

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<v Speaker 1>Landed on Friday with very little coverage, again partially because

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<v Speaker 1>of the fire obscuring everything like that is well, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I get what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the fire is a pilot light compared to

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<v Speaker 4>the utter you know, discussed that most of the media

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<v Speaker 4>has with the idea of saying, you know what, all

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<v Speaker 4>that stuff that we were one hundred percent for suppressing,

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<v Speaker 4>like the the you know, the scientists who are advocating

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<v Speaker 4>for the Great Barrington Declaration, for instance, who are pointing out, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>there are side effects, who are pointing out, no, the

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<v Speaker 4>vaccine does not prevent transmission, who are pointing out we

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<v Speaker 4>should open the schools who were saying that young healthy

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<v Speaker 4>people had no need. Anybody who had natural immunity had

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<v Speaker 4>no need to take the jab. All of those things

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<v Speaker 4>are now unquestionably and unquestioned fact. But the media was

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<v Speaker 4>complicit in silencing those people. So no, they're not going

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<v Speaker 4>to turn around and say, gee, that censorship was awful.

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<v Speaker 1>Without the fire, I think Fox would have made this

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<v Speaker 1>a very big story over the weekend. But you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think Meta Kress faced the Nation would have

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<v Speaker 1>touched it at all, because if they can post the

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times, maybe they would have been completely implicated

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<v Speaker 1>in this sort of thing. One more clip from Rogan.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought was interesting. You were just lying to us

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<v Speaker 1>about this, that and the other thing, and now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to believe you're one of the good guys, you're

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<v Speaker 1>one of the straight shooters. Now, yeah, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>where that goes from there.

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<v Speaker 4>I tell you what, with all due respect to our

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<v Speaker 4>need to not prop up people we compete with, allegedly,

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<v Speaker 4>that's a great question by Rogan, That's an incredibly uncomfortable question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well that's been the pushback since last week when

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<v Speaker 1>Zuckerberg first came out and all of a sudden, as

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<v Speaker 1>a Bill Wright's first Amendment, guy, is okay, which one's.

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<v Speaker 2>The real you?

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<v Speaker 4>Or do you just yeah and fair enough? Although you know,

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<v Speaker 4>my goal in this discussion is not whether I should

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<v Speaker 4>like more Exegerber sure, not that sup has sailed. It's

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<v Speaker 4>about the First Amendment in government censorship.

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<v Speaker 1>That's horrifying that that could happen though at that level

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<v Speaker 1>on things that were really important. Yes, are there side

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<v Speaker 1>effects on the vaccine the government is forcing you to

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<v Speaker 1>get or you.

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<v Speaker 2>Lose your job, not allowed to say, what are you kidding? Mind?

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<v Speaker 4>That included a hell of a lot of firefighters and

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<v Speaker 4>soldiers and sailors and marines. So you young, healthy, primarily

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<v Speaker 4>men who would not get the JAB, many of whom

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<v Speaker 4>already had natural immunity.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're employed by the government at some level, and

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<v Speaker 1>the government's not allowing discussion on whether or not the

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<v Speaker 1>vaccine has side effects, but you're being forced to take

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<v Speaker 1>it to keep your job.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly the sort of thing you don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Want to in a free society, I would agree, And

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<v Speaker 4>the technicalities of who can sue and who has standing

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<v Speaker 4>and blah blah blah gets you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll let the lawyers argue about that. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>agree with you completely.

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<v Speaker 4>The Supreme Court has got to issue some sort of

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<v Speaker 4>edict about this censorship by proxy.

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<v Speaker 1>Zuckerberg did have the option, didn't he though, of going

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<v Speaker 1>full profile and courage and with his I mean, especially

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<v Speaker 1>then Facebook was bigger then than it is now in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of people paying attention to it. If he had

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<v Speaker 1>to come out and said, the Biden administration is really

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<v Speaker 1>pressuring us to take down things that are true or

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<v Speaker 1>at least possibly true.

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<v Speaker 2>God doubt of it, a huge story. Yep, absolutely, I

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<v Speaker 2>wish he had.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that could have been one of those on

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<v Speaker 1>a Sunday morning where they do the full five, where

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<v Speaker 1>he goes on like face the nation, meet the press,

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<v Speaker 1>by all the shows, and talks about how the Bedministry

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<v Speaker 1>people are screaming me on the phone and threaten me,

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<v Speaker 1>threatening me with investigations if I take down things that

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<v Speaker 1>are true.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, what a story that would have been.

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<v Speaker 2>But he chose not to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>He either lacked of moral courage or he made the

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<v Speaker 4>decision as a businessman, what will be best for my company,

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<v Speaker 4>and you've given him he decided it just shutting up

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<v Speaker 4>would be the best.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's probably a weasel, but I am giving

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<v Speaker 1>him a little benefit of the doubt, like in the

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<v Speaker 1>midst of the pandemic, where things were crazy there for.

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<v Speaker 4>A while, and uh, and in Silicon Valley there was

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<v Speaker 4>such uniformity of progressive thought. I mean, you got people

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<v Speaker 4>there who are still friggin masked. Pardon me, I get

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<v Speaker 4>fired up over this stuff. We have a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>new listeners. Generally, I can contain my mild obscenity is

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<v Speaker 4>a little better than I am. But this stuff really really.

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<v Speaker 2>Fires it is it dry January wearing on you?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm starting to get a little twitchy. Yes, always been disappointing,

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<v Speaker 4>and we've talked about this so many times. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>feel nearly as good as i'd anticipated, having given up

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<v Speaker 4>the booze.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of hoping it feel better. So this is just

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<v Speaker 2>what I feel like. Hum. I'm still a sleepy half

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<v Speaker 2>wit for like the first hour and a half of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, and it's disappointing.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a whole bunch of interesting nuggets that I

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<v Speaker 1>captured over the weekend that are not the news of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, but are all interesting, So I'm hoping to

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<v Speaker 1>get to those this hour at some point. Excellent for instance,

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<v Speaker 1>how big a deal is AI? Uh, something China's doing

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<v Speaker 1>that's horrible. North Korean soldiers are dying like crazy in Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 1>And something that Elon Musk says that if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>doing this with your doctor recommendations, you're really making a

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<v Speaker 1>mistake that I thought I'm going to employee in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>A bunch of stuff on the way. Stay here, Satty.

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<v Speaker 6>Austin's husband, Emmanuel, an orthopedic surgeon, has been named in

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<v Speaker 6>a New York reco case involving federal insurance fraud. So here,

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<v Speaker 6>he's a great surgeon. Even did Joy Behar's hoof replacement?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's cold? What as that's shallice? What hoof for replacement?

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<v Speaker 1>Do I take off my coat like a girl? We'll

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<v Speaker 1>discuss this later. It became a topic at dinner last night. Wow, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of things to discuss. Just notes I took

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<v Speaker 1>over the weekend. Somebody tweeted this out and Elon Musk tweeted,

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<v Speaker 1>retweeted it true. If you're not double checking your doctor's

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<v Speaker 1>diagnostics with an LM, that's a language learning model AI chatbot.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're not double checking your doctor's diagnostics with an LM,

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<v Speaker 1>you're being negligent in your health. I've never considered doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe we all should in the future.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly take my doctor's diagnosis and ask social media what

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<v Speaker 4>they think.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd exactly go on Twitter, go on Reddit. Does this

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<v Speaker 1>look like something to you? And then you show them

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<v Speaker 1>a picture of a blotchy thing on your skin.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a girl woman, sorry, woman talking to a mechanic.

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<v Speaker 1>My car's making a terrible noise. The mechanic says, try

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<v Speaker 1>taking the Taylor Swift seat out.

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<v Speaker 2>I get it. I thought that was shot at thought

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<v Speaker 2>that was mistress of note right.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. Diary of a dead North Korean soldier reveals grizzly

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<v Speaker 1>battlefield tactics.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, whoa, I got into that a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>That was heavy.

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<v Speaker 1>The troops are exposed, green, loyal, and dying by the

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<v Speaker 1>thousands in frontline combat against Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize North Korean soldiers were dying by the thousands. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you just you don't even try to protect your

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<v Speaker 2>own life.

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<v Speaker 4>You just march into the machine gun fire because there's

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<v Speaker 4>a chance your family will have a slightly better life

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<v Speaker 4>back in North Korea.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're a quote unquote hero.

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<v Speaker 1>God, dang it.

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<v Speaker 2>That is brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>I was listened to a podcast with David Petres remember him.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the commander in Iraq and Afghanistan and CIA

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<v Speaker 1>director and probably should be in the government at some

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<v Speaker 1>level because he's brilliant. But he had an affair with

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<v Speaker 1>a woman and that kind of ruin is great.

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<v Speaker 2>He said. His numbers were the.

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<v Speaker 1>Russians have lost five hundred thousand soldiers from the battlefield

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<v Speaker 1>that can't return dead or wounded, to the point that

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<v Speaker 1>they can't return half a million.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a stunning number.

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<v Speaker 7>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is the history of Russia, just feeding people

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<v Speaker 1>into the meat grinder until the other side wears down

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<v Speaker 1>and it looks like it's going to work again.

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<v Speaker 4>Except their birth rates are a tiny fraction of what

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<v Speaker 4>they were fifty one hundred years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Now true ad Speaking of bad countries, China is removing

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<v Speaker 1>Tibetan children from their families and placing them in schools

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<v Speaker 1>where they face political indoctrination. So they're literally taking children

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<v Speaker 1>out of homes in Tibet, taking them to China and

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<v Speaker 1>re educating them to believe in the Communist Chinese Party.

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<v Speaker 2>That is horrific.

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<v Speaker 1>That is happening right now. College students are not protesting

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<v Speaker 1>on campuses about that. In America, government schools are teaching

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<v Speaker 1>your children that they can change what sex they are.

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<v Speaker 1>On a whim Bill Maher said, rumors he's retiring are

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<v Speaker 1>not true. I hadn't heard those rumors. He is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>retire from stand up comedy as he's a very old man.

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<v Speaker 1>But he said they will have to drag him off

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<v Speaker 1>the set of Real Time. He will continue to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad because it's a good show and at least

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<v Speaker 1>lately I generally agree with him. Came across this Ian

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<v Speaker 1>Bremer retweeted it the percentage of companies worldwide who plan

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<v Speaker 1>to reduce workforce in the next couple of years because

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<v Speaker 1>of AI. Forty one percent of companies say they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to reduce their working force in the next couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years because of AI.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not very bright.

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<v Speaker 1>And I tweeted that out and somebody said, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>could be a receptionist, and they would say, yes, which

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<v Speaker 1>is true.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if I'm feeding my family as a receptionist, I'm concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>True, But if it's on an employee here or there,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not quite as devastating as the number indicated, right.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, I guess they didn't indicate the size of

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<v Speaker 4>the workforce ruction and they had in mind. So we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to touch a bit more on the utterly unthinkably

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<v Speaker 4>devastating wildfires and stuff than California. Next to chat with

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<v Speaker 4>legendary meteorologist from La Rick Dickert, and then on to

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<v Speaker 4>more of the news of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can't stick around, grab the podcast. Armstrong and

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<v Speaker 2>Getty on the band. And it was like a hurricane.

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<v Speaker 2>This fire no water, but like eighty miles an hour plus.

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<v Speaker 2>It feltser real. There's a fire like racing down the

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<v Speaker 2>hill at that point. Yeah, well that's what's scary about this.

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<v Speaker 2>It just was shooting like a blow torch, Like a

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<v Speaker 2>blow torch. It was literally just shooting off of the mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I just watched a video I hadn't seen this

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<v Speaker 1>doorbell camera captures early moments of the eating fire. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the one up by Altadena and Pasadena and these people.

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<v Speaker 1>She was coming home from work and she saw a

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<v Speaker 1>little orange glow off in the distance underneath the power lines.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why they're now reporting. The La Times is reporting

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<v Speaker 1>that they they get started under the power lines. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's got the minute by minute on here of how

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<v Speaker 1>fast it went from tiny little fire to a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>big fire to holy crap, and they loaded up their

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<v Speaker 1>car and got out of there. It's just crazy how

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<v Speaker 1>fast that happened. And also I found the three letter

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<v Speaker 1>warning for today comes up with this stuff. They declared

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<v Speaker 1>it a PDS for today particularly dangerous situation. Okay, that's

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<v Speaker 1>like the official and I guess when you declare something

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<v Speaker 1>a PDS, then.

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<v Speaker 2>All kinds of things happen. Do we need that, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. It's what I wonder.

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<v Speaker 4>So I would say it's a pleasure to talk to

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<v Speaker 4>our next guest, and it is in a way, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's a terrible, a terrible topic. Rick Dickard is a

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<v Speaker 4>legend of LA Media Fox eleven Morning News, among other

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<v Speaker 4>credits for years, certified broadcast meteorologist, heard many, many, many

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<v Speaker 4>many times on our beloved affiliate seven ninety KABC, and

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<v Speaker 4>he joins us, Now, Rick, how are.

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<v Speaker 2>You, sir?

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<v Speaker 8>I'm well, given what's happening here, Thank you for having me,

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<v Speaker 8>Jack Joe. And you mentioned the PDS, and that is

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<v Speaker 8>an official term used by the National Weather Service to

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<v Speaker 8>express the heightened risk of severe weather, and here it's

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<v Speaker 8>a wildfire or the potential of more wildfires that they

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<v Speaker 8>issue those PDS's for severe weather hurricane tornadoes. So this

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<v Speaker 8>is an extreme situation. And unfortunately we're looking at another

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<v Speaker 8>powerful wind event, not quite what we saw last Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 8>but close to it in terms of wind velocities that

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<v Speaker 8>are anticipated over the next forty eight hours. Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>And I want to get to that in just a second,

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<v Speaker 4>But first, can you describe to folks what the weather

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<v Speaker 4>was like last week when the fires started? Giving your

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<v Speaker 4>perspective of reporting on this sort of thing for years

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<v Speaker 4>and years.

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<v Speaker 8>And I worked in the broadcast media here in southern

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<v Speaker 8>California for thirty plus years, twenty of which I spent

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<v Speaker 8>up in an airborne capacity in a helicopter covering these events,

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<v Speaker 8>these wind driven events. This is the worst I have

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<v Speaker 8>ever seen, and I was on the ground for this one.

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<v Speaker 8>And essentially what happened dynamically in the atmosphere, Things came

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<v Speaker 8>together to produce these hurricane force wind gusts in those

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<v Speaker 8>areas that we call the urban wildland interface here in

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<v Speaker 8>southern California, two of which above Pacific Palis States above

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<v Speaker 8>that iconic shoreline if you're on the East coast, you've

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<v Speaker 8>seen it in pictures and movies of Malibu. And then

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<v Speaker 8>the Eaten fire above just to the north and northeast

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<v Speaker 8>of the iconic Rose Bowl and Colorado Boulevard where you

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<v Speaker 8>see the Rose Parade every year, those two areas, there

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<v Speaker 8>was some sort of trigger in the wild land just

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<v Speaker 8>above those communities. Those two sparks happened, and then dynamically, metrologically,

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<v Speaker 8>we have this powerful wind event that allowed that fire

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<v Speaker 8>to spread. You heard what people in those areas said,

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<v Speaker 8>like a blow tours. It was a firestorm, eighty mine

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<v Speaker 8>hour wind gusts burning that chaparral, that forest land, those

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<v Speaker 8>dry hinder dry blasdshed We had months of no precipitation

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<v Speaker 8>essentially here in southern California. That Breashcot fire, the winds ignited,

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<v Speaker 8>and that fire spread directly down into those communities. They

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<v Speaker 8>Eaten fire Pasadena over towards Alcadina, Sierra Madre, and then

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<v Speaker 8>the Palisades fire encompassing the Pacific Palisa there even part

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<v Speaker 8>of Santa Monica, and then up the coast towards Malabus.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought I knew what these videos would be

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<v Speaker 1>like when I started watching them. But some of the

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<v Speaker 1>videos they had in sixty minutes last night and somebody

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<v Speaker 1>saw this morning on my phone. It was so windy,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like it was like CGI special effects, because

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<v Speaker 1>I'd never see anything like that anywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>No wonder it's been so difficult to fight, and it

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<v Speaker 4>was like a machine gun of embers being shot over

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<v Speaker 4>tremendous distances.

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<v Speaker 8>Miles that those embers that Ember cast and the Ember intrusion,

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<v Speaker 8>as we call it, it gets caught up in the

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<v Speaker 8>eaves of homes two miles away from the fire zone

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<v Speaker 8>because it was so dry out there, it ignited homes

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<v Speaker 8>well away from that major fire zone. And that's exactly

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<v Speaker 8>what happened for a good twelve to twenty four hour

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<v Speaker 8>period after the two fires started. The Palisades Fire started

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<v Speaker 8>at ten thirty am Pacific Standard time on Tuesday. The

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<v Speaker 8>Eton Fire above the Rose Bowl north and east of

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<v Speaker 8>the Rose Bowl in the Angels National Fire that started

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<v Speaker 8>shortly after six pm on the same day. Worst case

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<v Speaker 8>scenario with the weather in play and where those two

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<v Speaker 8>fires ignited, allowing those fires fanned by those dusty, powerful

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<v Speaker 8>hurricane force windows out of the north and northeast towards

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<v Speaker 8>the south and southwest into those communities of.

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<v Speaker 3>Pacific Palace states of Alcadina and Sierra Madre, including bizarre

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<v Speaker 3>fire behaviors racing downhill driven by the wind, which is

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<v Speaker 3>something normally that doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 4>Rick Dickert a longtime meteorologist reporter in LA Online. Rick

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<v Speaker 4>talk to us about what's expected this week weatherwise.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, again, we said it that PDS issued by the

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<v Speaker 8>National Weather Service heightened fire weather encompassing parts of southern California,

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<v Speaker 8>Ventura County, the Ranch Area, Semi Valley, San Fernando, the

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<v Speaker 8>West Santa Monica Mountains. That's very close to the Palisades

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<v Speaker 8>fire from Pepperdine University over towards point we go. Wind

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<v Speaker 8>guts again, not as strong as what we saw last Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 8>but close to it. We're talking about wind guts of

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<v Speaker 8>forty five to seventy miles per a sustained wind of

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<v Speaker 8>thirty nine miles an hour that's tropical storm force, a

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<v Speaker 8>sustained wind of seventy four miles an hour that is

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<v Speaker 8>a Category one hurricane. Those wind guts, in addition to

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<v Speaker 8>the relative humidity values of eight to fifteen percent that's

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<v Speaker 8>what's going to produce the red flag conditions. When a

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<v Speaker 8>red flag warning is issued for southern California, if you're

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<v Speaker 8>watching and listening from other parts of the country, that

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<v Speaker 8>means explosive fire growth potential, just like what we saw

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<v Speaker 8>last Tuesday into Wednesday, that blow towards effect. You get

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<v Speaker 8>that ignition and.

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<v Speaker 2>Then the fire spreads.

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<v Speaker 8>And I do want to mention that Jack and Jodd

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<v Speaker 8>of fire. These fires aren't started by the weather. They're

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<v Speaker 8>driven by the weather. There's some sort of ignition. It

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<v Speaker 8>could be something in terms of infrastructure. Unfortunately, there's arson.

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<v Speaker 8>People let start these fires accidentally. The trigger occurs, the

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<v Speaker 8>atmosphere conditions are in play, and that's what allows these

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<v Speaker 8>fires to spread so rapidly and create the devastation that

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<v Speaker 8>we've seen.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really glad we had you on. What a great report.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice job, Yeah, terrific, Rick, We're big fans.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry it's under this circumstance that we talk to

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<v Speaker 4>you about fabulous jab but I hope we can stay

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<v Speaker 4>in touch.

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<v Speaker 8>Absolutely, stay safe out everybody. Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting he brings that up about the Obviously the

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<v Speaker 1>weather conditions don't start the fire, they spread the fire.

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<v Speaker 1>David Spade, the actor comedian, is offering five thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>for anybody with information on the arsonists to start the fire.

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<v Speaker 1>So clearly he's under the impression that some human beings

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<v Speaker 1>started this on purpose. Is I've often wondered this with

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<v Speaker 1>with with our you know, you start a you go

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<v Speaker 1>into a building and start that on fire, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>you know, specific thing. But the starting a fire in

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<v Speaker 1>an area that it catches on and then burns and

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<v Speaker 1>and burns and burns, you gotta be prepared for that,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's an arsonist, a lightning strike, an electric breakdown,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta have some way to keep that from getting

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<v Speaker 1>so out of control, don't you know the uh forest

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<v Speaker 1>management We're having enough water in your fire hydrants to

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<v Speaker 1>fight it or whatever, because there's always gonna be something

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more sparked it or I don't think there

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<v Speaker 1>is anything you can do to be ready for.

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<v Speaker 4>That weather after that long a drought and getting sparked.

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<v Speaker 4>You have to work like a maniac to make sure

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<v Speaker 4>that in those conditions nothing gets sparked and there's super

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<v Speaker 4>quick response if it does. But with one hundred malpar

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<v Speaker 4>gusts lots and lots of seventy five mile prou gusts,

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<v Speaker 4>you're just screwed. To summarize, although, and we've made this

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<v Speaker 4>point a couple of times, and it's worth making again

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<v Speaker 4>because a particular aspect of this cannot be blamed on

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<v Speaker 4>bad govern is no reason to not talk about the awful,

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<v Speaker 4>awful governance of California.

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<v Speaker 2>Slash LA that was a contributor.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe it doesn't explain it, but it should still be

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<v Speaker 4>identified and rooted out.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I could remember where I heard some fire

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<v Speaker 1>chiefs saying we could have had every fire truck in

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<v Speaker 1>America here last Thursday night and it wouldn't have made

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<v Speaker 1>any difference when it was gusting to one hundred miles

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<v Speaker 1>an hour, which makes sense.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, the one gent I heard, I think it

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<v Speaker 4>was on sixty minutes point doubt that if they have

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<v Speaker 4>a fully involved structure, they want three fire trucks there typically,

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<v Speaker 4>and that there were as of when they interviewed him,

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<v Speaker 4>something like twelve thousand structures had burned.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, do the math. There aren't that many fire trucks.

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<v Speaker 1>I was trying to find the quote that man Gavin

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<v Speaker 1>got beat up for on Friday it was similar to

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<v Speaker 1>what you're talking about. See if I can find it

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<v Speaker 1>real quick.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Gavin Newsom he was.

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<v Speaker 1>He did an interview on a liberal outlet, which also

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<v Speaker 1>got him some pushback, like he didn't have the guts

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<v Speaker 1>to go on where he was going to be challenged

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<v Speaker 1>at all. He said, let's stop with the finger pointing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not interested in who's to blame. Oh really, that's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting because a lot of people are interested in who's

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<v Speaker 4>People with no homes are pretty interested in that. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the Governor of California, here's here's my tiny little seminar

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<v Speaker 2>If you're ever asked the question does the buck stop

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<v Speaker 2>with you? Always say yes. There's no win in anything

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<v Speaker 2>other than yes, here you go. Does the buck stop

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<v Speaker 2>with you? I mean, you're governor of California, inviting it

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<v Speaker 2>will be the Mayor of California. We're all in this together.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all better off. We're all better off. We're all

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<v Speaker 2>better off, and we're working together to take care of people.

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<v Speaker 7>What.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, obviously, well we know where Kamala Harris's speech writers

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<v Speaker 4>went to work having been laid off.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that was a terrible job. I'm strong

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<v Speaker 2>and geddy. Thank you. We've got more on the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay with us. Do I take off my coat like

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<v Speaker 2>a girl? Apparently I do? I found out last night.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll explain that in a second, But first, I know

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<v Speaker 1>it's head shaking lye on, I know me neither did I. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you the story in a little bit. But

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<v Speaker 1>Pete hegzath. This is the week they start getting into

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<v Speaker 1>the confirmation hearings. I'll just tell you this reporting John

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<v Speaker 1>fun writing a National review. According to one senator, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they might not have the votes to get him out

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<v Speaker 1>of committee, let alone get to the big floor vote thing. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Hauprin's writing in his newsletter today is he thinks

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<v Speaker 1>if Trump demands a floor vote, it will get out

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<v Speaker 1>of committee. But he said, don't be surprised if it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't even get a floor vote, and there are at

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<v Speaker 1>least a dozen possible no Republican votes. He can only

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<v Speaker 1>lose three, is that correct Republican votes? And although Fetterman

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be a yes on all the Trump stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>so maybe you pick up one there. But there are

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<v Speaker 1>a dozen senators out there. Susan Collins, Lisa Markovsky are

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<v Speaker 1>hard nos. Mitch McConnell is a likely hard no, Jony

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<v Speaker 1>Ernst of Iowa, some others that are possible knows.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll see how this turns out.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think Pete Headseth is a good man. I

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<v Speaker 4>think he has some good ideas. He unquestionably has some

0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:33.400
<v Speaker 4>baggage though things he said and advocated. And this is

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<v Speaker 4>not a recommendation or an endorsement or non endorsement of

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 4>the guy. But at some point Trump and company will say,

0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 4>all right, how about we get a good man with

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<v Speaker 4>some good ideas who doesn't have all this baggage.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just the way it works. So I got to

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<v Speaker 2>find the exact wording on this.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm eating at Red Robin last night, Katie, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I like the classy diners Red Robin with

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<v Speaker 1>my son. He really likes the gluten freeburger. There get

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<v Speaker 1>the burger. I think they got the best fries anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>we're eating inks, that's not the point.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the conversation. I'm eating.

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<v Speaker 1>I take off my jacket and my son, Henry, thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>years old, said, you take off your jacket like a girl.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was hilarious because I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>what that means. And I thought, just what a funny

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<v Speaker 1>thing to say, and I laughed.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, was I mean? He said, you do?

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<v Speaker 1>You take off your coat like a girl? So I

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<v Speaker 1>texted a friend of mine who I've known for years,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought it was just going to be funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, I'm out to eat with Henry. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>I take off my jacket like a girl. And they

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<v Speaker 1>texted back, you are certainly particular and intentional, I said,

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<v Speaker 1>question mark when removing your jacket. I said, you've observed this,

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<v Speaker 1>They said, I have that I take off my jacket

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<v Speaker 1>like a girl a particular, intentional way. That is the

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<v Speaker 1>way a woman takes.

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<v Speaker 2>Off her coat.

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<v Speaker 4>In all of our years working together, and what is

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<v Speaker 4>it now, thirty three or more, have.

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<v Speaker 2>You ever noticed I take off my coat like a

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<v Speaker 2>girl in particular? No, okay, will you take off your

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<v Speaker 2>coat really.

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<v Speaker 7>Fast so we can get a demo because I'm I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Trying to take a step back so we can see

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<v Speaker 2>over there is it? Okay, I gotta fix this because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'll be single the rest of my life if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm taking off there taking it off?

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<v Speaker 1>What my son said, it's kind of hot, he said.

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<v Speaker 1>The way you roll your shoulders and stick your chest out,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a girl.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it needs a sexy music bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, I wish you had a coat on, Katie. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you can show me how a man takes his coat

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<v Speaker 1>off as opposed to me, you can have a woman

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrate how to be a man for it, gender bending madness.

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<v Speaker 2>This is highly embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 4>I could not I'm wearing an armstrong and giddy hoodie

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<v Speaker 4>good Armstrong, a giddy dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot at this. But how does a guy take

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<v Speaker 2>off his coat?

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<v Speaker 1>And how did I pick up the manu mannerisms of

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<v Speaker 1>a woman for taking off my jacket?

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<v Speaker 2>The way I roll my shoulders and stick up my

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<v Speaker 2>chest is girl like.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I'm thinking about the way that my husband takes

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<v Speaker 7>his jacket off and he just kind of like throws

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<v Speaker 7>it over one shoulder and then kind of like just

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<v Speaker 7>shakes out of it. So I don't know there they're

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<v Speaker 7>see Michaelangelo.

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<v Speaker 2>Watching Michael take off.

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<v Speaker 4>Folks, Michael's jacket is on now it's all yeah, see

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<v Speaker 4>it's the wiry, casual, unassuming, just gets it done, not

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<v Speaker 4>a bunch of preening and posing like a friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Here.

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<v Speaker 2>How many dance out of his jacket? You know, out

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<v Speaker 2>of my tack?

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<v Speaker 1>How she said, how many dates have I lost in

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<v Speaker 1>my life where a woman's thinking, oh, ain't kind interested

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<v Speaker 1>in him?

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, kind of like his blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I took off my coat and they're like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>FLA deal breaker is a deal breaker. I can't be

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<v Speaker 2>with a guy who takes off his coat like a girl. Lady, lady, lady,

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<v Speaker 2>your way out. I didn't even know there was such

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<v Speaker 2>thing as taking your coat off like a girl.

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<v Speaker 1>And now with people who know me, I bring it

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<v Speaker 1>up and I say, oh, yeah, you've always done it

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<v Speaker 1>that way.

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<v Speaker 2>What the incisive criticism of Henry well done son? Huh?

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta think about that long and hard. Where did

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<v Speaker 2>that come from? I don't no, but man up? Would you?

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<v Speaker 1>I got a practice Michael after the show, Can I

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<v Speaker 1>watch you take your coat off again? And I try

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<v Speaker 1>to nail down.

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<v Speaker 2>Hr the weirdest requests I've ever had. I clearly do

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<v Speaker 2>it the way I roll my shoulders. What the hell

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<v Speaker 2>you do? Yeah, that's what we've been asking some deal.

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<v Speaker 2>You learn something about yourself every day.

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<v Speaker 7>We have a whole separate group text thread about how

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<v Speaker 7>you take your jacket off there.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, don't ask me about my pants. Jack.

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<v Speaker 4>So getting back to Pete, Hegsath's just briefly, and again

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not here to endorse him or to say he

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<v Speaker 4>shouldn't be sectaf or at least get a try. But

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<v Speaker 4>this is why good people don't get into politics. You've

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<v Speaker 4>heard all those allegations about womanizing or at one conference

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<v Speaker 4>fifteen years ago, he blah blah blah, drinking too much

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<v Speaker 4>and the rest of it. A lot of that is

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<v Speaker 4>coming from a former employee name of Cat Dougan, who

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<v Speaker 4>worked for or Concerned Veterans of America, where Pete was

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<v Speaker 4>the CEO.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe at the time she worked there for eight months.

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<v Speaker 4>She received a poor performance review several months into her

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<v Speaker 4>job as she was serving as cva's North Carolina state director.

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<v Speaker 4>Shortly thereafter, she filed for short term disability, then long

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<v Speaker 4>term disability, and ultimately resigned her position and claimed disability.

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<v Speaker 4>The national field director at the time, Sean Pattison, told

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<v Speaker 4>the Washington Free Beacon that Miss Dugan quote consistently fell

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<v Speaker 4>short of performance expectations.

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<v Speaker 2>She was a bad hire. She did not do a

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<v Speaker 2>good job.

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<v Speaker 4>She only lasted a few months, then started suing everybody

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<v Speaker 4>and wanting disability and the rest of us.

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<v Speaker 2>And now she is the.

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<v Speaker 4>Secret source, the anonymous source of all these allegations.

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<v Speaker 1>About hexath Right, and all the people on Fox and

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<v Speaker 1>Friends say we worked with him every day for years

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<v Speaker 1>and years and years, and nobody's called us and asked

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<v Speaker 1>us a single question about this.

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<v Speaker 4>There is a long line of people who worked with

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<v Speaker 4>him for years who say, this guy is one of

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<v Speaker 4>the most stand up people I've ever known periods.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll bet Pete Hegsaff doesn't take his coat off

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<v Speaker 2>like a girl.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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