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Speaker 1: Is This a Great Game or What?

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Speaker 2: With the Hall of Famer Tim Kirkshen, I'm his son,

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Speaker 2: Jeff Kirkshen. Make sure to subscribe and share the show

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Speaker 2: wherever you're listening right now. And we can't thank you

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Speaker 2: enough for supporting what we get to do every single day,

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Speaker 2: three days a week, that is. And today our guest

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Speaker 2: is a returner, Steve Russian.

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Speaker 1: All right, Net, Jeff.

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Speaker 3: Steve Russian is my favorite author ever. He is the

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Speaker 3: funniest person that I've ever met in my life. He

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Speaker 3: is the smartest person I've ever met in my life,

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Speaker 3: and his facility with the language is like no one

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Speaker 3: I've ever heard. And he was great as always today.

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Speaker 3: But the perfect pairing is for Steve Russian to write

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Speaker 3: about Pope Leo, an American born Pope, being a white

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Speaker 3: Sox fan, and we'll hear that in the middle of

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Speaker 3: the interview. How funny was.

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Speaker 2: That the pope talk was so perfect, the thoughts of

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Speaker 2: what the Pope has and has.

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Speaker 1: Not seen unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: It's Steve Russian and Pope Leo.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Is This a Great Game or What?

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Speaker 3: And our guest this week is my dear friend Steve Russian,

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Speaker 3: my favorite writer of all time, one of my teammates

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Speaker 3: at Sports Illustrated for years, can really shoot a basketball? Stretch,

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Speaker 3: Welcome back. Say hi to Jeff again.

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Speaker 4: Hey Jeff and Tim, so great to be back. Thanks

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Speaker 4: for having me Stretch.

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Speaker 2: It's not usual for me to be the interconnecting one

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Speaker 2: with our guest, right, But I got a text message.

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Speaker 1: On my way home from work from.

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Speaker 2: You today and it's like we're kindred spirits because I

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Speaker 2: have the worst ears, hearing and medical problems altogether, and

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Speaker 2: you had to go to the ear doctor and we

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Speaker 2: pushed this back thirty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Stretch, Stretch you camel you.

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Speaker 4: My hearing has never been better. I went completely deaf

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Speaker 4: in my left ear on Friday, three or four days ago,

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Speaker 4: had no hearing over the weekend. My kids were irritated

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Speaker 4: with me, even though I'm the one who couldn't hear,

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Speaker 4: and the same way that I was irritated with my

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Speaker 4: father when he couldn't hear. What when his hearing was

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Speaker 4: going and they removed like a cork from a wine bottle,

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Speaker 4: a plug of whatever had built up in my ear

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Speaker 4: over the years. And now my hearing is like when

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Speaker 4: I first got glasses and I could see everything sharply,

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Speaker 4: every leaf on the tree. I could hear my turn

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Speaker 4: signal on the drive home like I've never heard before.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know how long I've not had hearing,

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Speaker 4: but I'm grateful to have it.

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Speaker 3: All well, Stretch, I hate to be a topper here,

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Speaker 3: but I went to the ear doctor about six months

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Speaker 3: ago and he told me, he said, you have more

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Speaker 3: wax and more hair in your ear than any person

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Speaker 1: And he's been an ear.

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Speaker 3: Doctor for forty years.

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Speaker 1: Who wants that distinction?

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Speaker 4: Congratulations? My dad is the the first line.

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Speaker 1: He's the baby first line of ear wax over there,

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Speaker 1: the greatest of all time.

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Speaker 4: That's that's amazing. So congrats, and I'm glad you're wearing

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Speaker 4: headphones on this podcast.

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Speaker 3: So so, Stretch, Do I remember this in one of

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Speaker 3: your books that you actually played golf with a guy

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 3: They wasn't it called?

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Speaker 1: Have I got this wrong?

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Speaker 1: His name was John Anderson or.

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Speaker 3: Something, and he wore they called it the ear Candles.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember this?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, yeah, so so I did. I didn't remember

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Speaker 4: that until you said that, in fact, the ear doctor

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Speaker 4: mentioned a column that I had written on the UNSABA

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Speaker 4: basketball tournament drinking at a bar in Hartford, and that

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Speaker 4: her neighbor was quoted and it so I love it

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Speaker 4: when people remind me of stuff that I've written, because

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Speaker 1: See when he told you that, you said what.

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Speaker 4: Exactly? Exactly? And so yes, so we learned about ear candles,

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Speaker 4: and then we used to do these. And in fact,

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Speaker 4: you should do an ear candle, which is I don't

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Speaker 4: even think they're medically advisable. It's a thing. It's a

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Speaker 4: I'm not a doctor. I don't play one on TV.

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Speaker 4: But I don't advise doing this. But we used to

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Speaker 4: I don't even know where you buy the ear candles anymore,

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Speaker 4: but it's an actual thing, yes, And I did first

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Speaker 4: hear about it on the golf course.

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Speaker 3: And Steve, you've played golf with a lot of interesting people.

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Speaker 3: Tell us about the time that you and your brother

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Speaker 4: Well, I've played with a guy with one arm. I've

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Speaker 4: also covered the National Amputee Golf Tournament. And I don't

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Speaker 4: this sort of golfer who would throw the club into

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Speaker 4: after a bad shot. And so he just stopped doing that,

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Speaker 4: and it made him a more patient golfer, and of

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Speaker 4: course that makes you makes you a better golfer. But

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Speaker 4: I also played with a guy in Florida whom he

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Speaker 2: I had a friend of mine in Las Vegas who

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Speaker 1: Not his true story. He was a great golfer though,

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Speaker 2: Step onto the first hole and he said, aren't you

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Speaker 4: The National Amputee Tournament was one of the more interesting

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Speaker 4: the front. I'm not making this up. This is a

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Speaker 4: legend within our family. He ends up driving his Cadillac

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Speaker 4: get to the They've hosted majors and it's but anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, during the Majors, you're not allowed to be in

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Speaker 4: He didn't. He didn't pull his Cadillac up across the fairway,

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Speaker 3: Give new meanings the word caddy on the golf course.

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Speaker 2: There you go, exactly, So, Stretch, I want to ask you,

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Speaker 2: because I talked about it on the podcast. I've heard

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Speaker 2: the rumblings and the rumors of this Adam Sandler basketball game,

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Speaker 2: and now I'm learning that you were involved of sorts

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Speaker 1: Years ago with my dad. Is this true?

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Speaker 4: It's true. We played at the Reebok Club on the

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Speaker 3: It was Halloween night, Halloween Day, October thirty first.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and we played. We were playing pickup, just

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Speaker 3: He was, And then he grabbed Mikey because he needed

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Speaker 4: the sources of his rage was that he was six

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Speaker 4: we were playing hoops. But yeah, he was. He had

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Speaker 3: I remember calling home that day stretch and it's two

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Speaker 3: thousand and one. I called Jeffrey and Kelly at home.

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Speaker 3: So you're not gonna believe who I met today. They

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Speaker 3: think I'm gonna say, what you met Derek Jeter, which

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Speaker 3: obviously I had already had. I said, I played basketball

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Speaker 1: New level with my children.

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Speaker 3: And then when I went to the complex, the ESPN complex,

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Speaker 1: It was incredible.

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Speaker 1: What if? I what if?

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Speaker 4: There's a sixty percent chance that that Pope Leo the

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Speaker 1: Everything that you're talking about.

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Speaker 4: You're talking about, and you know what, it's interesting to

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Speaker 3: And earlier today because I have no life. As you know,

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Speaker 3: And Max Bishop was a pretty darn good second baseman

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Speaker 4: And and am I wrong? So so you know, the

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Speaker 4: I mean? And is it is? It? Is it sick

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't be you without having without being fascinated by

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Speaker 1: So stretch. You got to write about this. You have

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Speaker 4: I know, I I if I were writing a column,

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Speaker 2: So Steve, so he's the first pope if I'm not

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Speaker 2: mistaken to go to a World Series game.

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00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you saw this video.

440
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, two thousand and five, he was. I saw him

441
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 4: just sort of they just sort of randomly cut to

442
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 4: him in the like let's go.

443
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 2: To the father the priest for the pregame prayer. No,

444
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: it's just like a bump shot to fans and it

445
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 2: was him, It was the Pope.

446
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't I don't want to tell the

447
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 4: white socks their business. And I'm sure they're going to,

448
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 4: you know, try to get him throw out the first

449
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 4: pitch and stuff. But I would. I would eat a

450
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 4: soft served Sunday out of the out of the papal

451
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 4: miter for for sure. I mean, it's it just gives

452
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 4: me enormous joy that you could.

453
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: Do Pope bobblehead night.

454
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: You know, you could do that, or you could do

455
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 2: one of those umbrella hats but with but.

456
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 4: Nothing would be off nothing would be off limits in

457
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 4: baseball promotions.

458
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 3: I know, Jeff, didn't you just tell us that Pope

459
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 3: Leo has his own baseball card?

460
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tops just announced that Pope Leo has his own

461
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: baseball card.

462
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: Isn't that incredible?

463
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 4: Wow? I mean it's it's can the Strata Meagtic Hall

464
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 4: of Fame far behind? Maybe maybe maybe your dad can

465
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 4: put in a good word for for the pop.

466
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 3: It would be so great. At Stretcher. You loved baseball

467
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 3: cards growing up. George Midderall was Mitterwall was your favorite player.

468
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,239
Speaker 3: And before I get to Pope Leo again, tell us

469
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 3: about what what you loved about the backs of the

470
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: baseball cards that made you laugh, A little caricatures on

471
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 3: the back.

472
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 4: I just I just loved the little line drawings, particularly

473
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 4: on the night ten seventy four tops, which is my

474
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 4: you know, my holy grail that was. You know, I

475
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 4: was eight turned eight that fall and the first set

476
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 4: that I collected, and I just loved the little line

477
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 4: drawings with a little cartoon fact about the player, usually

478
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 4: about oftentimes about what they do in the off season.

479
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 4: You know, Lou brock Low owns a flower shopping to

480
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 4: be a picture of Lou in full uniform pairing a bouquet,

481
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 4: like delivering a bouquet of flowers to somebody's house, Like

482
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 4: that's the thing he would do. George Mitterwalld I still

483
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 4: remember George likes to take home movies and he had

484
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 4: like a eight millimeter camera, you know, you know, and

485
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 4: talk about humanizing that. Those were fascinating to me, Like,

486
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 4: you know, I didn't there was no Internet. If they

487
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,719
Speaker 4: didn't mention it on the Game of the week, how

488
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 4: would you know anything about these guys, you know, So

489
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 4: that was this little window into their world.

490
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 3: What about the line drawing drawing on the back of

491
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 3: Pope Leo's baseball card to be.

492
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 4: What full uniform, you know, he's got to be. He's

493
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 4: got to be like in full papal regalia. But but

494
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 4: you know, swinging aback like you know, George played little league,

495
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 4: you know, on the South Side. Whatever it is, it's

496
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 4: it's and you know that unsung artist. I've never even

497
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 4: looked into this. Who did those drawings? It was it

498
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 4: was one guy and uh uh you know.

499
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: I still remember this.

500
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 4: It was always full baseball.

501
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: You could do the role reversal.

502
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 2: And you have Pope Leo in full baseball uniform and

503
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: he's handing out the body of Christ in full baseball uniform.

504
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: But the body of Christ is a dip deep dish

505
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: pizza of sorts.

506
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 4: That's that's another you know, I I one of the

507
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 4: first things. You know, these things are memed to death

508
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 4: as soon as it happens. And I read that finally,

509
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 4: uh Rome will have decent pizza, you know, by by

510
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 4: Chicago deep dish aficionados. You know, never mind, I h

511
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 4: you know, you drive into Connecticut now as I did

512
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 4: the other day coming back from Pennsylvania, and you know

513
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 4: they have a sign welcome to Etiquette, a home of

514
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 4: the of the best pizza in the United States, because

515
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 4: New Haven is a big, proud pizza capital, and you know,

516
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 4: the Pope has opened up avenues into who has the

517
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 4: best pizza? You know, Socks Cubs. You saw his brother say,

518
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 4: I don't know where it came out that he's a

519
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 4: Cubs fan. He's never ever been a cubsman. He's always

520
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 4: been a White Sox fan. You know, it's it's it's

521
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 4: it's we can relate. Let's just put it out.

522
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 3: It's an absolutely beautiful stretch. I just love that you're

523
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 3: You're so observant in all of your books that you've written.

524
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 3: When you drive somewhere, all these ridiculous signs that you

525
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 3: see all over the place. How do you remember that stuff?

526
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 3: Is it just etched in your mind when you drive

527
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: through a town that has some ridiculous name.

528
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 4: You know, as a kid, I think when we would

529
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 4: go on vacation and usually by car. You know, my

530
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 4: parents maybe a writer. My mom was a school teacher

531
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 4: and she would we all had library cards. I was

532
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 4: the only one who really used it, and I would go, oh,

533
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 4: we're going to Cincinnati to visit my relatives, So I

534
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 4: would read up about Cincinnati. I'd read up about San

535
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 4: Francisco when we flew to California for a vacation, and

536
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 4: I would bore my siblings with you know, you know,

537
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 4: there was an earthquake here at night, you know, and

538
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 4: they would you know, put me in a headlock and

539
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 4: I stopped talking. But so so I even as a

540
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 4: little kid, I sort of had these sort of travel

541
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 4: writer instinct in me to pick up on what's interesting

542
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 4: or weird about this place. And I do so much

543
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 4: driving now, still shuttling around two kids who don't have

544
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 4: their licenses yet, that it's about my only form of

545
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 4: entertainment because they tuned me out long a long time ago.

546
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 4: So so you know, I look at science. We live

547
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 4: in a town called Granby g R A N B

548
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 4: Y in Connecticut, and Arsenal used to have a guy

549
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 4: named Serge Ginabry g and a B R. Wise. Whenever

550
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 4: I'd passed the Granby sign, I would always think of

551
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 4: Arsenal's surgeon Aby. So a lot of these things come

552
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 4: back to sports, and it's just really a product of

553
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 4: a of a of a terrible mind, completely cluttered by

554
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 4: by useless nonsense like ron Karkaeis and kotub Leinster. So

555
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 4: I'm not proud of Steve.

556
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: You mentioned your anagrams.

557
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: I know you and my dad share a love of

558
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: anagram names and words.

559
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: What are some of your favorites?

560
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 4: Well, I mean I love anagrams. I love palindromes. You know,

561
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 4: go hang a salami and a lasagna hog is the

562
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 4: same forward as backwards? You know that fascined me as

563
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 4: wait say it again? This is this is this tim

564
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 4: this is the palindromis. Will well know this one by heart?

565
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 4: Go hang a salami, I'm a lasagna hog is the

566
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 4: same forwards as bad.

567
00:29:54,920 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. And your favorite anagram is desper right.

568
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 4: Desperation? Is that a rope? I mean, I didn't come

569
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 4: up with these? These are these are? You know? But

570
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 4: but they're there. I can't even remember a lot of these.

571
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 4: I'm looking, you know, at you on on my laptop,

572
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 4: and I'm looking at the laptop keyboard. I used to

573
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 4: know what, you know, what are the longest words typed

574
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 4: only with your right hand? You know, if you're using

575
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 4: the standard keyboard, the longest words you can type with

576
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 4: only your only your left hand. Happily a lot of

577
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 4: these brain cells have have evaporated, and that not that

578
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 4: more useful information has has gone in there. Obviously, I

579
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 4: I see the pope is luck that I'm thinking of

580
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 4: ron Karkovis. I think of ron Karkovis. I'm thinking of

581
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 4: whenever I would hear the name ron Karkovis, I would

582
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 4: hear the song atal of Us from from the Sound

583
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 4: of Music Carcovised Krcovice, Bless my Homeland Forever. I don't

584
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 4: know if that was ever his walk up song, if

585
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 4: they had walk up songs, but you know this is

586
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 4: this is sadly how how my mind works, and it

587
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 4: results in getting absolutely nothing done during the.

588
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 3: Course of corrupted me with these Steve maybe thirty years ago.

589
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 3: And now I look at all names baseball players and

590
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: I try to find anagrams. There's a guy named Blake

591
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 3: Sable who's been in the Big leagues this year, catcher.

592
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 3: He's got the word baseball in his name, and it's

593
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 3: either baseball okay or okay, baseball or baseball ko. But

594
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 3: baseball is in Blake Sable's name. How great is that?

595
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 4: That's fantastic. I think of Cole Hammill's anagrams to Camel.

596
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 3: Willis, it's so good.

597
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 4: And when Cliff if if Starling Marte should ever he

598
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 4: played for the Marlins, Yes he did, if he should

599
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 4: if he should ever go back there, there's an anagram headline,

600
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 4: I'd like to see Marlin's target Starling Martin.

601
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: That is so beautiful.

602
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 3: When Clayton Kershaw became the all time strikeout leader for

603
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: the Dodgers, I came up with la K Hero wants

604
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: sy and that is an anagram of Clayton Kershaw stretch.

605
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: This is what I do thanks to you.

606
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 4: When I have you stood and gave yourself a standing ovation,

607
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 4: when when you can tight.

608
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: You shouted from the business class of an airplane.

609
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: This is what that's right, Actually a middle seat on

610
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: Delta about ten years ago. I came up more five

611
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: years ago. I came up with that one. But that's

612
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 3: how you have taught me to think after all these years.

613
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 4: Well, I don't want to be responsible for this, because

614
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 4: you you're responsible for You know, when we were covering

615
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 4: baseball together, it would always be Stretch or whoever was

616
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 4: sitting with us. What what do you think you could

617
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 4: do more easily? Could you if you got thirty carries

618
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 4: in the NFL game. Would you get positive yardists or

619
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 4: would you last fifteen seconds in the ring with Mike

620
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 4: Tyson in his prime. And it would always be an

621
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 4: either or choice. You had to choose one or the other.

622
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 4: And so to think that that was a more productive

623
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 4: use of our time makes me laugh. And I think

624
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 4: I was sitting with you at Yankee Stadium at one

625
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 4: of those World serieses. I know I was sitting with

626
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 4: Steve Knella because we still talk about this, imagining the

627
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 4: the Bob Shepherd voiced Yankees outgoing voicemail that we were

628
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 4: talking about this. It was like it was like we

629
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 4: were just we were just, you know, in the middle

630
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 4: innings of a lifeless game talking about you know what

631
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 4: if Bob Shepherd, the great Yankee PA announcer of the past, had,

632
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 4: in his beautiful voice, had recorded the Yankees outgoing you know,

633
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 4: sort of a voicemail thing which was press one, you

634
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 4: know to reach uh, Press one for Mickey Mantle, press

635
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 4: two for Mickey Rivers, press three for Mickey Kluck, Preuss

636
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 4: four for all other Mickeys, Preuss five, that kind of thing,

637
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 4: And you know, we would do that over and over

638
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 4: for different you know, iterations of people's names. You know,

639
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 4: if it was the White Sox, it might have been,

640
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 4: you know, press one for Ron Kittle, two for Ron Karkabis,

641
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 4: three for Ron Hasse, four for Ron all the Rons,

642
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 4: you know, and and you know, baseball games particularly then

643
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 4: we're three and a half hours long, and it made

644
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 4: for these kind of great mindless entertainments in the press spots.

645
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 3: We did a lot of those. So stretch, You're married

646
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 3: to Rebecca Lobo. You're a big basketball player, you were

647
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 3: really good in your day, and you're married to arguably

648
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 3: the most famous female bask at least the first greatest

649
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 3: female play. What is it like being married to Rebecca Lowe?

650
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: And Jeff I went to the wedding. I went to

651
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: the wedding of Steve Russian and Rebecca Lobo. It was

652
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: absolutely fabulous. So just tell.

653
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 4: Us, well, I always when I'm asked what's it like

654
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 4: being married to Rebecca Lobo? I always I always mentioned this.

655
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 4: Rick Riley did a book talk, our former colleague sports

656
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 4: did a book reading at a bookstore, and then he

657
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 4: opened up the questions and the first question. Now, both

658
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 4: of us had mugshots on columns and Sports Illustrated, and

659
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 4: sometimes we were mistaken for one. Another first question he

660
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 4: took was what's it like being married to Rebecca Lobo?

661
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 4: And he he didn't know what to say, and you know,

662
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 4: whether to call the person or not, and he just

663
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 4: ended up answering, it's helpful when you need to get

664
00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 4: something off the top shelf of the grocery. Nah, I'm

665
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 4: actually like maybe fractionally taller than she is, but so

666
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 4: it doesn't help me in that regard. But you know,

667
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 4: the very first wedding present we received in two thousand,

668
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 4: in two thousand and three, sorry, was addressed not as

669
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 4: a joke. It was addressed to Rebecca and Steve Logo

670
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 4: when when our when our first daughter was born in

671
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 4: two thousand and four, we got a beautiful gift of

672
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 4: stationary from a charity that we had done some work

673
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 4: for and note cards with our baby's name on it,

674
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 4: Chavn Rose Logo and h and so people just assumed,

675
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 4: you know, that I had taken her name. The kids,

676
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 4: the kids took her last name. Uh, and they probably

677
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 4: would have been much better off if they had. But

678
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's great. We we you know, I'm

679
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 4: probably the the rare her basketball loving husband who has

680
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 4: to say to his wife, you know, can we stop

681
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 4: talking about basketball at this point? Enough with the basketball

682
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 4: because she she has such a genuine love of it.

683
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 4: She she broadcasts games, so she's constantly watching you know,

684
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,479
Speaker 4: college in WNBA games too for work, but she also

685
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 4: coaches our son's AAU team. She she watches games for pleasure.

686
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 4: She just loves basketball. And you know, we tell our kids,

687
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 4: I wrote because that's what I love to do. She

688
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 4: got into what she's doing because she loved to play basketball.

689
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 4: And it wasn't for her a way of you know,

690
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 4: making money or having a broadcasting career, being famous. It

691
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 4: was just something you love to do. So you know,

692
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 4: we all tell her kids, you know, try to find

693
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 4: something that you love to do. And you know, and

694
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 4: she's a perfect example of that.

695
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 2: Steve, So Mother's Day obviously this past Sunday, and remind

696
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: me you three three or four children.

697
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 4: Exactly? We have three or four children? We have we have,

698
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 4: but we have we have four four we have two

699
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 4: in high school and two in college. But they're all

700
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 4: home right now.

701
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: Oh, they're all home right now.

702
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: Stretch. What's so interesting about you is that you enjoy

703
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 3: everything and so many things interest you so you've been

704
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 3: working on a project lately. I'm not sure where it's going.

705
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 3: Just tell us a little bit about the project that

706
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: you've been working on.

707
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 4: Well, it's I can tell you it's not going anywhere.

708
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: But we.

709
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 4: My friend Sam Farmer and I we were you know,

710
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 4: we just have it. We were both born in nineteen

711
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 4: sixty six. Both have a love of nineteen seventies television.

712
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 4: You know, you know, nothing to do with sports, although

713
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 4: they're you know, we both love that. Sam's a sports

714
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 4: writer at the La Times, and so we just started

715
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 4: interviewing people that were sort of our we watched on

716
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 4: TV or who created the TV of our youth. And

717
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 4: Sam had done a story for The Times on Jim

718
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 4: Harbaugh who was living in a trailer by the ocean

719
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 4: when he took over the La Chargers job and before

720
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 4: his family moved out from Michigan. He was living in

721
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 4: a trailer by the ocean, partly in homage to Jim

722
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 4: Rockford of the Rockford Files, who lived in a trailer

723
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 4: in Malibu. So Sam had interviewed, you know, all kinds

724
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 4: of people, James Garner's daughter and you know, people who

725
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 4: were his co stars who are still alive, people who

726
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 4: created the show, and had such a good time talking

727
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 4: to them about you know, what it was like making

728
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 4: the Rockford Files that we just we just kind of

729
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 4: continued those conversations over zoom with a lot of people

730
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 4: who made the TV of our youth. And now as

731
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 4: a publishing concern, you know, how many people are interested

732
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 4: in what we're interested in. I don't know, you know,

733
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 4: agents and publishers probably think not enough, but uh, but

734
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 4: we have had you know, a dozen conversations you know

735
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 4: with with uh, you know, people like Adrian Barbeau, who

736
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 4: guest starred on you know, shows like Fantasy Island when

737
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 4: I was a kid, and and uh, people like uh,

738
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 4: you know Mike Post who wrote the Rockford theme and

739
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 4: and you know other great themes. Uh and and so

740
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 4: it's you know, as much as I love sports growing

741
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 4: up in baseball, and I've gotten to talk to all

742
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 4: those people, become friends with some of those people who I,

743
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 4: you know, admired as a kid. You know, I probably

744
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 4: spent at least as much time watching you know, sitting

745
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 4: in front of the tube on Saturday mornings and and

746
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 4: you know, primetime evenings as a kid. And so it

747
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 4: really is just an extension of what we've done as

748
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 4: sports writers. You know, it's it's uh, that thing that

749
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 4: sort of captivated us as a kid, we just revisited

750
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 4: as adults. And whether any of that will ever see

751
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 4: the light of day, I don't know, but the conversations

752
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 4: have been a joy stretch.

753
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 3: My favorite sitcom is Get Smart? Did you talk to

754
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 3: anybody along the way?

755
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: And either you do it? Get Smart?

756
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: Or All the Family or the Dick Van Dyke Show,

757
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 3: because they're my three favorite symcoms.

758
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 4: Out talk to people who we talk to people who

759
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 4: worked on All the Family and other Norman Lear shows

760
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 4: and uh, the Mary Tyler Moore Show, and and you

761
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 4: know those great you know those mash uh the gentleman

762
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 4: who wrote the theme song to UH Happy Days and

763
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 4: Laverne and Shirley who also wrote Killing Me Softly, you know,

764
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:50,479
Speaker 4: for Robert of Flack just uh, and and they're they're

765
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 4: you know, they're these they're they're normal people who are

766
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 4: you know, who did the stuff as we do as writers,

767
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 4: you know, kind of in isolation often and then it

768
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 4: goes out there and strangers remember it forty years later.

769
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 4: And you know, we talked to the gentleman who directed

770
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 4: the Turkey Falls episode of w KRP in Cincinnati, who

771
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 4: when he was directing n CIS years later, saw people

772
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 4: watching it on YouTube and say, hey, you got to

773
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 4: check out this episode. Have you ever seen this episode?

774
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 4: It's hilariously said watch the end credits, you know, and

775
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 4: see who directed that. And you know, so you know,

776
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 4: in the same way that I'm fascinated by the White

777
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 4: Sox of the seventies, I'm also I'm equally fascinated by

778
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 4: what was it like to make Sanford and Son.

779
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: You know, well, Steve, I'm sorry, and.

780
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 4: The answer that question, it was completely crazy.

781
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: By the way, I'm sorry that that project doesn't seem

782
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: to be coming to fruition.

783
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: But to your point, I think.

784
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 2: Baseball's Pope would be a great at the very minimum

785
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 2: of column. But with all that you're spewing, I mean,

786
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: Baseball hasn't Pope.

787
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: This is great.

788
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 4: It would be a better column if who had been

789
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 4: written by Edwin popel Of than Miami Harold ten notes.

790
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 4: But I may have to put these thoughts down just

791
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 4: to get them out of my system so I don't

792
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:16,959
Speaker 4: keep thinking about that night.

793
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 3: Steve, you have to write these back to the Mary

794
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 3: Tyler Moore show. Jeff, here's how it works. Every time

795
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 3: I hear the expression a little song, a little dance,

796
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 3: I think of Steve Rushes.

797
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 4: A little Peltz down your pants. So Tim, so I well,

798
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 4: sometime in the last oh it was for this past

799
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 4: super Bowl. This past super Bowl was at the Superdome

800
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 4: in New Orleans, and fifty years ago the Super Bowl,

801
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl was supposed to be at the Superdome

802
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 4: in New Orleans, but it wasn't finished yet, so they

803
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 4: had to have it at the old two Lane Stadium.

804
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 4: That was the Vikings my Vikings as a kid, versus

805
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 4: the Steelers, who won sixteen to six. It was their

806
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 4: first Super Bowl of their dynasty. And so I interviewed

807
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 4: some of the first story I did for the monthly

808
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 4: that is Sports Illustrated, and now I interviewed some of

809
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 4: the people who played in that game. My childhood hero

810
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 4: who's become a friend, Alan Page, jack Ham of the Steelers.

811
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 4: But I interviewed Frank talking to who I had never

812
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 4: spoken to, and I mentioned to him now in the

813
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 4: opening credits of Mary Tyler Moore, Alan Page still lives

814
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 4: in that neighborhood where Mary Tyler Moore's house was set

815
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 4: in the opening credits still sees people drive by and

816
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 4: take pictures of this house, you know from the show

817
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 4: that was on fifty years ago. But Mary Tyler Morris

818
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 4: in the opening credits is washing her mustang in a

819
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 4: number ten Fran Tarkenton Vikings Jersey soaping up a mustang.

820
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 4: And as a kid, that was just such a mind

821
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 4: blowing thing to see your town and your team on

822
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,959
Speaker 4: this national show, even though it was from television city

823
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 4: in Hollywood. You know, the opening credits are shot and

824
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 4: in Minneapolis. And I asked Fran Tarkentin, what was that like?

825
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 4: You know, I mean to see Mary Tyler Moore, We're

826
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 4: in your Jersey every week in the opening credits of

827
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 4: this beloved show. And he said, I was aware of it,

828
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 4: but I didn't really give it any thought much thought,

829
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 4: and you realize that you're in a very different place

830
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 4: in life as like a nine year old man and

831
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 4: as the quarterback of the Minnesota Vikings. He also said,

832
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 4: just you know, to connect sports and television here that

833
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 4: in nineteen seventy six, maybe he got a call from

834
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 4: this new television show Saturday Night Live asking him to host.

835
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 4: I think he ended up hosting in January of seventy seven,

836
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 4: and he had never heard of it, didn't know what

837
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 4: it was, but he agreed to host it, and so

838
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 4: he was I think the very first athlete to host

839
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 4: Saturday Night Live. I watched it before I, you know,

840
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 4: when I was reporting this Super Bowl thing, and you know,

841
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,479
Speaker 4: it seems like this must have been eighteen seventy five.

842
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 4: But these people are alive, many of them in their eighties.

843
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 4: For Antarkan is an eighties who were sort of present

844
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 4: at the creation of these things that live on now.

845
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 4: They live on now on the channels that I watched

846
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 4: that have all commercials for walking tubs and reverse mortgages

847
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 4: and for people like me who have lost their hearing

848
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 4: recently kids exactly so. But those are the two things

849
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 4: that really shaped my childhood in so many ways. The

850
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 4: three things really where I went to Catholic grade school,

851
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 4: I was a big sports particularly baseball fan, baseball cards,

852
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 4: and I watched a lot of TV. And our conversation here,

853
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 4: I've talked only about those three things, and those are

854
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 4: the only three things that really qualified to talk about.

855
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 4: They shaped my existence.

856
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 3: Went Jeff Walter Cronkite was the greatest TV news band

857
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 3: of all time, and I can't look at anything that

858
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 3: he's ever done without thinking about what Ted Baxter said

859
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 3: to him when the real Walter Cronkite came to the

860
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 3: studio and Ted Baxter got to meet him, and Ted

861
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 3: Baxter's first words Walter Cronkite, Walter, what words do you

862
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 3: have trouble pronouncing?

863
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: That's what he asked me, Walter kron.

864
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 3: Ted was one of the greatest cop characters.

865
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 4: Ever, Ted Knight Man, he was. He was one of

866
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 4: the all times Caddie Shack as well as Mary Tyler Moore.

867
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 3: Well, stretch, we could do this forever, we could. I

868
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 3: don't think I asked you a true baseball question, not

869
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 3: one here on a baseball podcast, but anything involving Pope

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Speaker 3: Leo Chicago White Sox fan was good enough for us.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us, and thank you

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Speaker 3: for making us laugh again for an hour.

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Speaker 4: I always know I have at least two people who

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Speaker 4: understand understand my own sickness, and I appreciate you guys

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Speaker 4: for that.

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Speaker 2: All right, Thank you, Steve always hilarious, Steve Russian for

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Speaker 2: joining us.

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Speaker 1: Just a great game or what right?

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Speaker 3: And I can't wait to see the story that Steve

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Speaker 3: wrote the column whatever he's going to write about Pope Leo,

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Speaker 3: because I repeat, there is no better combination of writer

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Speaker 3: and subject for so many things. Steve Russian wrote an

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Speaker 3: entire story once, like eight pages of sports illustrated about

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Speaker 3: the hot Dog, like the history of the hot Dog.

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Speaker 3: When he gets all his myths on pop Leo. White

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Speaker 3: Sox fan is now leading the Catholic Church in every way.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to read it because it will make

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Speaker 3: you laugh out loud every other cent.

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Speaker 2: I'm so close to just posting his cell phone number

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Speaker 2: so everybody listening can text him saying can't wait for

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Speaker 2: the po Leo column.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget we have another episode for you coming out

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Speaker 2: tomorrow on the feed wherever you listen. You can also

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Speaker 2: watch the full podcast, including guest video as well on

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Speaker 2: our YouTube page is this a Great game or what?

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Speaker 1: Like us on social.

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Speaker 2: Media Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, all that good stuff because we're

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Speaker 2: always posting great video up there as well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening, and as always, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being a part of our family.