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Speaker 1: Radio radio radio Commies of myth and Bullshit Radio phonic

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Speaker 1: novella Local Radio hosted by Malamno. Hello, welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Local Radio. This is Ma La and this is and

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Speaker 1: welcome back to another copy the Little Brown Girl Hour. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Local Radio is a podcast archiving the brilliance and legacies

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Speaker 1: of women and fans of color. And today, uh, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna make a few announcements, talk about a few podcast

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Speaker 1: related things. But we have a really really really really

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Speaker 1: really special guest here today that we're super excited to introduce.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get to our guests in a second. Um,

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Speaker 1: but first we do have a couple of updates. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So we launched our Patreon this past week and we're

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Speaker 1: super excited about it. Um there's different incentives, different exclusive

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Speaker 1: content just for our patrons. Um it is just patreon

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Speaker 1: dot com, slash local to underscore radio and special special

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Speaker 1: thank you shout out so much love to our locomotives

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Speaker 1: that have already signed up to be patrons. So we're

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Speaker 1: super happy, thank you so much. You will be starting

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Speaker 1: those um special little things that we have going on

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Speaker 1: next month, so November, and yeah, we're really excited. And

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Speaker 1: we also have created a venmo, so if folks, you know,

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Speaker 1: I can't want to give a offering of whatever, they

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Speaker 1: can just donate to our venmo account, which is local

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Speaker 1: dash Radio. And you know, one of the reasons why

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Speaker 1: we created the venomo and the Patreon is because we

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Speaker 1: had like a lot of locomot is, a lot of

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Speaker 1: listeners commenting, dming us, messaging us asking like I want

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Speaker 1: to support in some way? Can I buy merchandise? Can

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Speaker 1: I donate? Like where can I send my support? So

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Speaker 1: we were getting those questions and even in person, like

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Speaker 1: us and she literally told us, like, people want to

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Speaker 1: support you guys, and like basically she said, people want

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Speaker 1: to give us their money, so who are we to

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Speaker 1: say no? In other words, in other words, we had

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Speaker 1: to create, you know, a route and avenue for that.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for everybody who has already um signed up.

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Speaker 1: And besides that, we have events and fun stuff coming

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Speaker 1: up that finally we get to announce and talk about it.

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Speaker 1: We're so excited. We have been waiting, waiting because this

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Speaker 1: has been in the work since this summer, so we

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Speaker 1: have been waiting to share with y'all. But we are

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Speaker 1: having a one year anniversary celebration are November tenth at

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Speaker 1: nine pm in collaboration with La Junta l A. We

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Speaker 1: have collabd with them before and it will be at

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Speaker 1: Rado in downtown l A on Spring Street. There's no cover.

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Speaker 1: DJ Sizzle will be there, she'll be spinning, she'll be working,

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Speaker 1: and we're super super excited to celebrate our one year.

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Speaker 1: We will have merged there, it's free. The Mommy Collective

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Speaker 1: will be there. We're super, super super excited to finally

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Speaker 1: be able to announce. And you know, it's been hard

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Speaker 1: for us not to say anything about it. It's been

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Speaker 1: really difficult, Like we have been outfit shopping. The flyer

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Speaker 1: like is so cute and in the works and it's

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Speaker 1: a whole thing. It's a whole thing, and we cannot

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Speaker 1: wait to parties. So by the time that y'all are

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Speaker 1: listening to this, the flyer will have already been posted.

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Speaker 1: So we're so excited. We hope that y'all can make it.

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Speaker 1: And if you're not from l A, you know this

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Speaker 1: is a good time to road trip. Yeah, come on out.

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Speaker 1: Party brings the bottle. Yeah. And the next day we

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Speaker 1: have another event November eleven, second book release. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: Other than that, we also are a part of podcastudio

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Speaker 1: Fest on November nineteen. Yes, that is a Latin X

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Speaker 1: digital media experience. Other Latin X podcasters will be there. Um.

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Speaker 1: So now we are super super excited to introduce our

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Speaker 1: Loba is here. Finally, Loba, please introduce yourself to our listeners. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: our listeners just you know, we already reade your description

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Speaker 1: online like knowledge shares or like classes. That's also the

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Speaker 1: way that I also archived because you Yeah, I remember

427
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Speaker 1: a post from about a year agod when you had

428
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: your last trip to paddle and you did a workshoper

429
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: you did like a diet or something with Oh it

430
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: was they and the Feminist and then Intergalactic Medicine. Okay,

431
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about that. I remember, and

432
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 1: I was like, I think we had we actually fun

433
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: fact and I met at a Feministar conference in Latin America.

434
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 1: Super it was super random. It was our friends like

435
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, exactly. Um, so can you talk a

436
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 1: little bit about that? So I okay, So I had

437
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 1: to go last year, I had to go to Perule

438
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: to take care of my grandma. Um. And I feel

439
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: like a lot of like you know, just like fami

440
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: labor started coming up from me over there. There's like

441
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,479
Speaker 1: a lot of it because she got diagnosed with cancer

442
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 1: and just kind of seeing like how my mom was

443
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: the first one to kind of drop all her work

444
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: and go take care of her, and then it was me,

445
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: and then I'm like nobody like this person, Like my

446
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: grandma has like nine ten children and like a bunch

447
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 1: of grandchildren. Like I live in the US, like by myself,

448
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 1: Like I don't get any like money support from like

449
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: no deals by myself. So I'm like I don't have

450
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: exposal support or whatever. And I'm just like my fucking

451
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: cousins and whatever, uncles and aunts that like have all

452
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: the support and like you know, I'm like you're not

453
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: even doing anything, so like to me, like a lot

454
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: of like you know, just like fami labors started coming up,

455
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 1: a lot of that, you know, just kind of like fun.

456
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,479
Speaker 1: You know, there's so much fami labor and like caring

457
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: just the carrying politics, you know, the carrying economy too,

458
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: that it's like usually so under valued. So um, I

459
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: think that that's an experience that a lot of Latinos

460
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: listeners can identify with because I've seen that happen in

461
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: my own family and recently a homegirl in her family

462
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 1: with grandparent being sick undergoing surgery and then seeing who

463
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 1: is willing to spend time to take care of them,

464
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: and it's usually going to be the women and the definitely. Yeah,

465
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: So I think that that kind of like, you know,

466
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: that's when I started like building more around like you know,

467
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: Fami labor and like my work and then um, I

468
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, I create I created this like online platform

469
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: um in which how what I did I want to

470
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: do and like I documented some of like stories, some recipes,

471
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of hard to because I don't

472
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 1: really like I don't want to share this like you

473
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: know a bunch of people you know, So I feel

474
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 1: like as in like there's recipes and things that you

475
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: learned that you shouldn't be probably putting it out there

476
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: because you don't know how these people are that are

477
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: taking it. Like I know some folks that were taking

478
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: that that UM that online platform, and not everybody. So

479
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: it's kind of also hard to like engauge to what

480
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: extent you like, share information to what extent you don't

481
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: because you know, especially like white people, they might totally

482
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: like identify as allies or whatever, but you don't really know.

483
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 1: So it's also really scary because it's like I don't

484
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: want to share something that that's like really precious that

485
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: my grandma just shared with me, and that I'm just

486
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that it's going to just

487
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 1: get used to rip away from me. So it's kind

488
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 1: of hard to like figure that out. But the whole

489
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: idea of the of the platform which I'm reviving it against,

490
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: I'm want to do it again starting next month, and

491
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna include more like new material. Um it's called

492
00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:01,239
Speaker 1: the Indian, the Possicle, Intergalactic Andean Feminism Edison, Right. So

493
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: the whole idea was that in like the two months

494
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: that I was going to be taking care of my grandma,

495
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: I was going to also be kind of like documenting,

496
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: you know, things that that I learned, um and a

497
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: lot of the kind of writing and information that I

498
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: have app there right now. And that specific platform is around,

499
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, like blue Hedia and just like which is

500
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: and like I had really interesting and cipher conversations with

501
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: my grandma who actually saw which hunt happened. So yeah,

502
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: very recently. And that's when I realized. I was like, okay,

503
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: so the which Hans are still happening, right, Like midwives,

504
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: especially like in the US or so called US, you know,

505
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: like especially black midwives are like completely like it's super

506
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: hard for a black mid wife to practice because of

507
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: anti blackness and just like you know, like which hunts

508
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: and like yeah, so that's just one example, right, but

509
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: like the witch huts are like very much alive and

510
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: this entire planet right, But to me it was really

511
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: like I was stuck in to my grandma or you

512
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 1: know like Bluehdia and the Inder region and like the

513
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: which has in the Inder region. And then she was

514
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: like I don't oh or you know, like I saw

515
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: which get burnt once and I was like, tell me

516
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: about it. Because she grew up in the mountains like

517
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: in Puno, so yes, like the population like the area

518
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: was like indidn't as folks like speaking most to catch

519
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: She grew up speaking most to Quetcha. And then she

520
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: was telling me that she was in this one town

521
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 1: and she sold this old women being burnt alive and

522
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: the people I guess, you know, inquisitor inquisitors. I guess

523
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: like what would be you know, back in the day

524
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: in order for like you know, all of these things

525
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: to happen, like there would be like some kind of

526
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: inquisition cabinet, inquisition group or whatever that would be mostly

527
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: like you know, like European people. But now, like what

528
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: she saw and this was probably like what like sixty

529
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: years ago that she saw the sixty or seventy years ago,

530
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: it was indigenous people that were the ones that were

531
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: like kill her, kill her, kill her. So they burned

532
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: her alive and it was an old woman. Yeah. And

533
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: then I started, you know, talking to my other friends

534
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: that live in the area, and one of my friends

535
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, you know, like during the Penut dictatorship

536
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: ended pretty recently, like ended in eighty nine, um, like

537
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: there was witch hunts happening in which like which is

538
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: so called medicine, women were being killed, especially specifically like

539
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: indigenous populations like the Mapucha tribe, right. So and that's

540
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,239
Speaker 1: something that I kept kind of seeing, you know, just

541
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: how like the witch hunts in Latin America specifically and

542
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: then in the region, and I'm sure that probably like

543
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: in the rest of the territory, um, it was like

544
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: specifically targeting like black Afro Indigenous and Indigenous people that

545
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: were practicing their own medicine, right, So and a lot

546
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: of it you know, had to do with power to

547
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, like people would go to this people, you know,

548
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: like they would go to them to like get support,

549
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: you know, like that's the whole point of folk medicine,

550
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, like the people's medicine. So I think that,

551
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like very interesting how like the

552
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: medical indols are complex. It's kind of like interruining there,

553
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: but also just the you know, I would let a

554
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: knowledge what I called that would knowledge you know, like

555
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: it starts to be coming like you know, switch tails

556
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: or like it's not important. It's just like you know, superstition,

557
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: like it's not real. So I think that like at

558
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: least from my experience and what I learned through you know,

559
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: doing that. Um that like online platform was just how

560
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,719
Speaker 1: much of the knowledge is not even acknowledged as knowledge.

561
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: But even like my own grandma's right, because I was

562
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: talking to my other grandma. My other grandma was like, yeah,

563
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: you know you're great great, you know, like yeah, I

564
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: guess it would be like my great granddad, Um, he

565
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: used to do like a lot of you know, kind

566
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: of savalas and like you know, healing to take away

567
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: them jo whatever whatever. But he would do it very secretly,

568
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: like he would only do it like in his room.

569
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: Nobody else would know because of the fear of being

570
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: called a brujo. Right. So even there's so much fear

571
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: and like so much trauma that you know, I call

572
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: it trauma because it's you know, it is trauma, you

573
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like when people have to hide

574
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: what they're doing because they would be you know, consider

575
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: by the community and what that couldn you know, I'm

576
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: sure that had like put a show like economic like

577
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, a percussions or like even like how stability

578
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: or like whatever. You know. And I really love you

579
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: know that you brought up a let knowledge and that

580
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: you because when I hear that, when I hear that

581
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: term or that phrase, I think of you immediately because

582
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: I feel like that's your concept that you really developed

583
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,239
Speaker 1: and that you brought forward like online, and you know,

584
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: we did one of ours. We called it from Tech, right,

585
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: And what we talked about in that cap is how

586
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: things like sewing, weaving, cooking, our technologies and our sciences

587
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: and that's what our lethanology is right, So can you

588
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: talk to us a little bit more about like a

589
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: lethanlogy as technology. So it's interesting because I have this

590
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: poster in which it says our leth knowledge is technology,

591
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: and under the post it has a picture. It's it's

592
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: me laying on the ground and it's my friend to

593
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: some who is um I'm ad a descent, so this

594
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: is like what's considered northern Chile, like partians, portions of

595
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: personal Considerablivia. It's also I'm in a territory. But she

596
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: said many stunt she does a lot of like abortion

597
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 1: support like abortion access stuff in UM so called. And

598
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: she was like kind of like showing me how to

599
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: do abortion massage like on myself. So I digitalized that

600
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: image and then I was like, okay, well I have

601
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: this really cool image, like what do I put on top?

602
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: And the first thing that came up to me was

603
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: our lead analogies technology because I think that's so many times,

604
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: like especially like the first time that I saw abortion

605
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: massage like happening was when I was in school, So

606
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: I want to fancy you know, bullshit as UC Berkeley,

607
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: and it was like it was like it was about

608
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: like reproductive justice or something like I don't even know

609
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 1: what the classes about. It was just really messy, and

610
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: it was this why sis, dude, you know, just discussing

611
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: peaching it of course yeah, and then yeah, and then

612
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: he's like, you know that I was in the Philippine

613
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: ones and then in the Philippines like this is what

614
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: they do when you know, the women have to have

615
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: an abortion. And then he showed a picture of this

616
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: older women like doing like worship massage on this younger

617
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: person who I think was I believe it was a

618
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: sex sex worker if I remember that correctly. And then

619
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: he's like, this is what they do in the nong

620
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: Gat access to like blah blah blah. And I was

621
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: like that's technology though, Like that's technology, and I clearly

622
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: they know what they're doing. So that's the first time

623
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: that I kind of saw that, you know, like the

624
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: whole like abortion massage. And then so when my friend

625
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: was teaching me, I was just like, oh my god,

626
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: this is so amazing, like the ways in which you know,

627
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: like we have completely forgotten like our own technologies, you know,

628
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: and like that's totally like very valid in people, you know,

629
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: And I love the fact that you're talking about ancient

630
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: technologies and you're utilizing modern technologies to spread the information.

631
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: I agree, you know, this is a really good transition

632
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: because I really wanted us to talk about this. You

633
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: in your work, you talk about how queer trends indigenous

634
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: folks haven't existed for hundreds of years, and you recently

635
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: had this beautiful photo of I believe I'm out of women.

636
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: I think I'm out of women kissing um. It's such

637
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: a powerful, beautiful photo, and you have this really great

638
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: caption about this, about the history of fum folks, transfolks,

639
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Speaker 1: queer folks um. And it was actually shared by on documedia,

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Speaker 1: which is if you don't follow on documedia, they're a

641
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Speaker 1: really big platform um centering on docum folks, but they

642
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Speaker 1: also like share like intersectional post, and your post was

643
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: shared and there were there was a lot of feedback,

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00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: a lot of upset folks. People were very upset about it, UM.

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to talk about that, like sharing this

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Speaker 1: kind of radical knowledge online and then folks that are

647
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: just not receptive to it because colonization, you know, historical

648
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: eraser trauma, all this ship right that gendered all this stuff.

649
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Speaker 1: So can you talk about that like what that was

650
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: like for you when this post was shared. So I

651
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: identify as someone that still, you know, I get and yeah,

652
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Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, my family probably is just like,

653
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Speaker 1: oh my god, what's like, what a shameful. Individually, I'm

654
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: just like showing my menstrual blood, talking about you know,

655
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: like alien digs like that's my life. And I think

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00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: that one of that one of the reasons why I

657
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: got interested in social media, because I was like, I

658
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Speaker 1: really want to put out all these things that kind

659
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: of bother people or like like mad people react in

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Speaker 1: this way, so you know, kind of like social medium performance,

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Speaker 1: I guess. You know. Yeah, so a lot of the

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Speaker 1: ship that I talked about is like very heterophobic, and

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Speaker 1: you know just kind of I mean, that's not a

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Speaker 1: real you can't really be heterophobic, but this is kind

665
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: of like a funny or kind of funny way to

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Speaker 1: say it, or just like you know, just talking about

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Speaker 1: all these things that kind of make people be like,

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Speaker 1: oh ship. You know, so I get a little im

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Speaker 1: following sometimes because sometimes people follow me because I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is how you still see this and that,

671
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, fun, my supremacy and then but

672
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Speaker 1: I posted that, so I think I've seen those images.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who the actual photographer is. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a Mexican photographer that lives in Bolivia. I think something.

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Speaker 1: I think I was trying to research it, but I

676
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Speaker 1: reposted it from UM this really awesome UM like feminist

677
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Speaker 1: in Argentina whose name I can't really a forgetting forget

678
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: this person's name, but I reposted it from um let Yeah,

679
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: from Leonard investies um Facebook account, and it was I think,

680
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Speaker 1: what was it like the coming out there essentially? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: um And I was just like, you know, writing about

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Speaker 1: pretty much, you know, like I think, like when I moved,

683
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: when I moved to the US, I was having a

684
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Speaker 1: really hard time with even the concept like queer queerness,

685
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Speaker 1: like what does it even queer mean? And even what

686
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Speaker 1: does like lesbian mean? You know, because I think in

687
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Speaker 1: Latin America there's more use of like more like the

688
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: lesson identity as a political identity, not like here, you know, here,

689
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Speaker 1: if you say lesbian, you're just completely a political but

690
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: over there, you know, like a lot of my friends

691
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: that stars are very much like all about the strong

692
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: in the patriarchy and destroying the state and destroying like

693
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Speaker 1: the police and cages, you know what I mean. So

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Speaker 1: that's uh so it's like a very different concept. Um So,

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Speaker 1: one of the I guess the names that I really

696
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: like at it's called choko ya. It's it's originally cheko you.

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Speaker 1: And I learned it through my front last year. Who

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00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: I actually interview for that um for that like online

699
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: platform that I had on like Andean Intergalactic Feminist Medicine.

700
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Speaker 1: So I interview this person and this person that's a

701
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: lot of kind of like perview work, and like the

702
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: whole thing is also a performance. And I'm from Ariquipa,

703
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: and then this person also is from Ariquipa, and keep

704
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: it is like a very like conservative bucking place, you know,

705
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: super conservative. So they started researching more about you know,

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Speaker 1: like different ways to kind of like call themselves. That

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Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily like gay or like you know, lesbian or

708
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Speaker 1: like queer, just because that didn't like culturally like it

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00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: didn't make any cultural sense. And then you know, like

710
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Speaker 1: this person shared with me about the like choko you,

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00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: you know, like in chekou it's like an your word

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00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: and it translates to like a feminine butterfly, um, and

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Speaker 1: you know this is like what it's kind of like

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Speaker 1: it's supposed to be like America kind of you know yeah.

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Speaker 1: But then I was like, you know, I really like that,

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Speaker 1: you know, so I started calling myself to go. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it's kind of this idea of like in a

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00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: feminine butterfly and like yeah, that makes complete But you

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00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: know that the post was pretty much about, you know,

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Speaker 1: this kind of acknowledging like the ways in which like one,

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00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: there's definitely like this binary, this gender binary that we

722
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: talked about in heterosexuality and complete lies and they were

723
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 1: totally imposed by colonizers, right, and that at some point,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure people and like you know, you have

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00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: also different ways to relate to each other. Like I'm like,

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Speaker 1: hetero sexuality is not normal, like and there's a very

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00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: beautiful quote um from like Feminist in Latin America says,

728
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Speaker 1: see like if heterosexuality was um, was normal, it wouldn't

729
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: need so much marketing. And I'm like, yes, exactly, like

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Speaker 1: really like since we're little, you know, like yeah, if um,

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Speaker 1: you know, if heterosexual sexuality was completely like nor them,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't need like to have so much marketing Stince were

733
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Speaker 1: very little and so much pressure. Yeah, so the post

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Speaker 1: was pretty much you know, talking about you know, different

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Speaker 1: ways in which you know, like people have related to

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Speaker 1: each other and how like you know, we still exist.

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Speaker 1: And then I think the second part was kind of

738
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Speaker 1: like you know, we're like the best and which I think,

739
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, even like in the whatever healing community, I

740
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: think that it fails to center like fam and like

741
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: transfolks and like to spread folks when in reality, like

742
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: I think that we have been the medicine people forever,

743
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and like I know something,

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00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: And in some of the comments was like well Latinos

745
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: like indigenous people are not gay. This isn't that, and

746
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,479
Speaker 1: it's just like what are you talking about. There's even

747
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 1: like actual like images like in Coddest and colleges and colleagues,

748
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: but also like through Waman Pama for example in South

749
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: America that shows like the so called third gender, like

750
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: it's been presdent. There were the people that were getting

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00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: killed by the colonizers wore thrown to the dogs, right,

752
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: So I think it's like it just the way that

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00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, like this like funked up, like Western history

754
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: has happened that it has completely erased, you know, like

755
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: the existence of all the people that are not this

756
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: is necessarily like falling into like gender binary or like

757
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: into a hetero sexuality that have always held very important

758
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: places in community. And we can see that even now,

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00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, even even if we don't like even if

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00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: we don't have that information, like who are the people

761
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: that are doing the most amazing work in the world

762
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 1: right now? You know what I mean. It's not as

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Speaker 1: his head or person, you know what I mean, it's

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00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: not so. And you know, I also think that like

765
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: latinox Is Latinos, that we don't always give our communities

766
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: as much credit for understanding like queer history in our communities.

767
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: Like for example, like in my neighborhood, they have a

768
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: big legs every year. Every year right the Wahakan community

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00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: there will have their big Alegazza and there is if

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00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: you go to the basically the procession and they end

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00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: up at um the church right there on Pico St. Thomas,

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00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: And that's where they like finish and have like the

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00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: big violet and everything included in the parade aid our

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00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: muche right in their full like gowns and they have

775
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: like and then they'll have like a chord and they're

776
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: participating in community with everybody visibly, like makeup, hair, head

777
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 1: to toe everything, you know, and it's part and parcel

778
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: of the cultural events. You know. So it's like, how

779
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: do you deny something that is existing right now and

780
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: it's embraced in on the streets in real life. You know.

781
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: It's just that disconnect is so odd. You know, I

782
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: agree with you, and it's you know, I think that

783
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: a lot of the comments were like ridiculous. It was

784
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: just like, you know, it was over a thousand comments.

785
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 1: It just yeah, like people were like, it's really upset

786
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: about it. And my question is, so like the people

787
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: that were upset, are they like specifically from that indigenous

788
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: community that those women were depicting, Like what was their

789
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: connection and what were they being so defensive over, Like

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00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like what in the photo

791
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: where they like, no, this belongs to me, So I

792
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: get to define what's right and wrong? Oh and the

793
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: photo we forgot to say what the photo is? Yeah, yeah,

794
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: so the photo is to imt of women. But I

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00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: don't know if they're matter of their mix, so they're

796
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: missives or how they identified but they're wearing like traditional

797
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: clothing and they're making out it's just very simple, very cute,

798
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: very beautiful. That brown. Yeah, it's a beautiful photo. And

799
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: then people were just like that's not true, like you know,

800
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: like Latinos were not. Like one person said something about

801
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: like how the Europeans broad homosexuality, and I was like wow, wow,

802
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: it was just as it was a mess. So my

803
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 1: comments were just all about you know, like I suck

804
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: pussy all the time, you know why not. I was

805
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: just trying to troll them just at that point, like

806
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: you're not gonna argue with no, you can't Europeans sexually.

807
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: That doesn't It's like, no, it's not compute, not compute.

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00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: I think that we've gotten to the point in our

809
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: program today where you know, it's kind of time to

810
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: wrap up and play our last song, and we wanted

811
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: to thank you Loba so much for coming and you

812
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: are so full of knowledge, like it is basically is

813
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: read too much. But again just over the years and

814
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: just how because I think at first, like on Tumbler,

815
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: I don't think you had had become like a duela yet,

816
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: like I think that that's maybe newer and so just

817
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: watching you and how you've just grown and progress and

818
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: you're just this wealth of knowledge. It's just like I

819
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: just love you, like it's amazing and I'm so happy

820
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 1: for you and like proud of you, and you really

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00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: inspire like a lot of the work I think that

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Speaker 1: we we do. Absolutely, Yeah, that's anyway, like can like

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Speaker 1: support you. Let us know when your book is finally ready,

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00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: we'll interview talk about the book, like we yeah, we

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Speaker 1: really want like look how motives if y'all are listening

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Speaker 1: or we are listening when you're listening to this, like

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Speaker 1: really follow. And I have a patren to sow, which

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Speaker 1: I really excited about. I g social media. So I'm

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Speaker 1: really excited for my patron actually because one of the

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Speaker 1: books that I want to write, it's it's kind of

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Speaker 1: like a post apocalyptic uh like book. And then I

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Speaker 1: have I want to start writing more queer post apocalyptic erotica.

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Speaker 1: So so I want to create a seed bank too,

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Speaker 1: because I have a bunch of seeds, but I want

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Speaker 1: to actually create a seed bank, and I want to

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Speaker 1: be doing more like open like free like I recently

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Speaker 1: did one on radical starch, but I want to do more,

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Speaker 1: especially in Spanish like workshops like online or in person.

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Speaker 1: So the patron is basically to kind of like be

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Speaker 1: able to fund all of that. And then people get

841
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: a bunch of perks, so you're you know, yeah, there's

842
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: some stuff. There's so what's the where can they find?

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00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: So that it's patreon dot com, slash La loa Loca

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Speaker 1: and then an Instagram Ka shares and then I have

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Speaker 1: a Facebook, you know, but that one doesn't really I

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00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: mean I just shared cool articles there La loa Loca. Yeah,

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00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Follow logan and the tribute, um,

848
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: you know, participate in Lovi's knowledge shares because again lots

849
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Speaker 1: and lots of knowledge. Thank you again for tuning into

850
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: I don't think we said it. Thank you, um, and

851
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Speaker 1: we hope to see you at our when year anniversary celebration.

852
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: Bring us a bottle, bring us, say hi, bring us yeah,

853
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 1: say hi. You don't have to bring us anything, man,

854
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: if you want to, you can. I'm not going to

855
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: tell you to bring us. I'm not going to stop

856
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: a gift. But also, come and come and hang out

857
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: with this dance. Yeah, it'll be it would be so

858
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: much fun. La junta. They their parties really crack. They're

859
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: really good crowd. They're like good people to work with,

860
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: so we you know, want to support them, and we're

861
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: so happy that they want to collap with us. Yeah,

862
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 1: we feel really lucky. Yeah, super lucky. So once again,

863
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Speaker 1: um yeah