1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The double murders of a 2 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: mother and son of South Carolina has given way to 3 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: swirling conspiracy theories. Why because the case is still unsolved 4 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: and cloaked in secrecy. We know very little about what's 5 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: happening in the investigation and a mother and son murder 6 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The nine one one call 7 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: came late Monday night. Officials say prominent South Carolina attorney 8 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: Alex Murdock came home last week and called police after 9 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: discovering his wife and son murdered. Fifty two year old 10 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: Maggie Murdoch and twenty two year old Paul Murdog, both 11 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: shot multiple times outside their home. According to investigators, it 12 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: happened in Islandtown, South Carolina, about ninety minutes outside of Charleston. 13 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: Now more than a week later, seemingly little progress, no arrests, 14 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: no named suspect, and from police, no motive. How can 15 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: this be? How can there be a case so high 16 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: profile where the cops are telling us basically nothing. With 17 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: me and All Star panel to break it down and 18 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: put it back together again, we are talking about the 19 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: mysterious deaths of Maggie Murdoch and her son Paul, both 20 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: gunned down with separate long arms on the family's hunting 21 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: lodge estate with me. Doctor Bethany Marshall are now psychoanalysts, 22 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: joining us out of LA. You can find her at 23 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. She's to starve a brand 24 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: new Netflix series, Bling Empire. Susan E. Williams, South Carolina 25 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor, and you can find her 26 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: at s Williams dash Law dot net. Patrick McDavid, partner 27 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: with Quick Group Investigations, former Resident Agent in charge of 28 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: Homeland security investigations there in South Carolina. Doctor Michelle Dupree, 29 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: forensic pathologists, former medical examiner and author of Homicide Investigation 30 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: Field Guide. Matt Harris joining US morning show host wl 31 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: n K in Charlotte. You can also find him at 32 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: a brand new podcast called The Murlog Family Murders. Impact 33 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: of Influence. What do we mean by influence? Well, I 34 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: will let him tell you. Let's start with you, Matt Harris, 35 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us from wl n K. I 36 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: normally start with the itself. The two victims shot dead, 37 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: a mother and a son. We know by long guns. 38 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: We know by two separate long guns. But what do 39 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: you mean by the impact of influence. Well, the Murnoch 40 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:19,119 Speaker 1: family has been in control of the Solicitor's Office, which 41 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: is most people can know it as the prosecution the 42 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: Prosecutor's office for almost ninety years two thousand and five. 43 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: Right there, did you say nine zero ninety years? Yes, yes, 44 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: it's allegedly the longest running family rule, if you want 45 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: to call it that, in all of the United States. 46 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: It's been ninety years and two thousand and five, I 47 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: believe it was they decided not to run again, but 48 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: one of their law partners picked up the mantle, so 49 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: they continued in a sense. So they have done a 50 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: lot of money in lawsuits. An interesting it's it's help 51 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: for companies to go into their hamlet and sue because 52 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: they can sue. They had a system where they could 53 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: sue you if a car crash happened in Charleston, but 54 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: the tires were made somewhere else and the car was 55 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: made somewhere else, they could make the lawsuit in their county, 56 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: in Buford County, so it was a very very powerful 57 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: little county they had running for a while. Well, hold on, 58 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: right there, Matt Harris. You're saying if the crash occurred 59 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: in their county, they could pursue will pursue a multimillion 60 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: dollar lawsuit. Correct that that was well, the law has 61 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: been changed since then. They made all their money up 62 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: until two thousand something whatever, they could make it there. 63 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: But they do handle tons of injury lawsuits. That's their 64 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: big thing in their law firm. Well to you, Susan E. 65 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: Williams now South Carolina criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor. That 66 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: has always been the case under civil procedure. International shoe 67 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: is a seminal landmark case where you established contacts in 68 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: a particular jurisdiction and you can sue there. If the 69 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: crash happened and the Murdog territory, it could be prosecuted there. 70 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: If the tires were made in Detroit, the case could 71 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: be prosecuted there, or the car was made there, the 72 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: manufacturer could be sued there. So that's an age old 73 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: landmark case. You have to establish minimal contacts in a 74 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: jurisdiction for a lawsuit to be made, like you live there, 75 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: you work there, the business was located there, So that 76 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: doesn't strike me as unusual. Ninety years in power that 77 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: strikes me as odd. Yes, Nancy, and what to just 78 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: to add to that, this family has been part time 79 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: solicitors and they ran this very successful plaintiff's firm all 80 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: at the same time. That is that used to be 81 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: in South Carolina, but it has since changed. But that 82 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: is how they were able to run this very successful 83 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: law firm with towns of lawyers and conflicts. Susan, Now 84 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: I see what Matt Harris, W. L and K. Is 85 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: talking about. For instance, when you take the bench and 86 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 1: you become a judge, you leave your law practice. Why 87 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: because cases will come in front of you where your 88 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: law practice is representing somebody or your practice may be 89 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: sued and you would have a conflict of interest. How 90 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: can you be a prosecutor and run a civil law 91 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: firm at the same time. Huge conflict. Now, let me 92 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: understand something, Susan Williams joining me out of South Carolina. 93 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: When Matt Harris says the solicitor's office, is that like 94 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: the district attorney's office in other jurisdictions, what is that 95 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: it is? It's the prosecutor's office in South Carolina. And 96 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: the Murdoch family actually coined that term. South Carolina is 97 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,239 Speaker 1: the only state in the United States that still uses 98 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: that term. Interesting. So, for instance, in a highly metropolitan 99 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: area like New York or Atlanta, LA, you have the 100 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: district attorney that handles felonies, and they will have a 101 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: fleet of ada's assistant das, and you have the solicitor's 102 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: office also prosecutors to handle misdemeanors like loitering or a dui. 103 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: So you're telling me, in this jurisdiction, the solicitor is 104 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: the DA that handles felonies. That's correct. In the solicitor's 105 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: office in South Carolina, these solicitors are elected officials, and 106 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: then they also have assistant solicitors, and either the elected 107 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: official or the assistant solicitors are able to handle felonies 108 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: and misdemeanors. Wow, so this is the fourteenth Circuit, is 109 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: it not, Matt Harris? It covers about five counties. That's 110 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: a pretty big jurisdiction. It is a big jurisdiction as 111 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: far as land goes. Population is not massive. A lot 112 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: of country area out there. However, if you're dealing with 113 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: most of the law enforcement, fled or even the wildlife folks, 114 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: it'd be hard to imagine that most of the people 115 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: have got log worst can happen. That's some sort of 116 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: contact with the Murdocks. You know, I've gotten a soft 117 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: truck somehow. Talking about the background, the power that this 118 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: one family, the Murdoch family, wells in that jurisdiction, hugely powerful, 119 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: not only ninety years in the chief Prosecutor's office, running 120 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: the office, deciding what gets prosecuted and what doesn't, what 121 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: goes to trial, what gets plut out cheap and what doesn't, 122 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: and a highly lucrative civil practice as well, raking in 123 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: millions of dollars a year. Time stories with Nancy Grace. 124 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: Let's get back to the double For those of you 125 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: just joining us, we were talking about the double murders, 126 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: the shooting death, and there's no doubt they're murders of 127 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: a mother and son, Maggie and Paul Murdoch. The wife 128 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: of the reigning king of the murdochs Alex and the son, 129 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: the twenty two year old son Paul, both shot dead. Guys, 130 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: you earlier heard Blaine Alexander NBC. Now take a listen 131 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: to Danay Bucci wc j L twenty two. The bodies 132 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: of Margaret and Paul Murdoll were found at ten pm 133 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: Monday night. Thecoulton County Coroner's Office tells us preliminary results 134 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: so both died from gunshot wounds. Margaret Murdoll was fifty 135 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: two and was the mother of Paul Murdoch, who was 136 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: twenty two. Their bodies were discovered out of the family 137 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: hunting lodge off Mussel Road. According to county records, Maggie 138 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: owned the property. Interesting, let me talk to you about that. 139 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: Matt Harris joining uson w l n K and you 140 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: can listen to his pop. That's called the Murdo family murders. 141 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: Impact of influence Matt. So it's referred to as Mozelle 142 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: the hunting lotch. I guess because it's on Mozelle Road. 143 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: This was not the family home, was it. No, it 144 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: was not the family home. It was their hunting cabin. 145 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: And was they kept dogs there? Hunting dogs there. There's 146 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: just a massive amount of like swamp and woods and 147 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: who whatnot around that area, which makes it even more 148 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: difficult to try to find something that might have been 149 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: left in this area because it's it's a large area. 150 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: It is a swampy, a lot of fields and trees, 151 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: and so you just can't go in there and easily 152 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: find possible evidence because it's such a large, rough area. 153 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: You know, Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us Psychoanalyst to the Stars, 154 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: joining us out of Beverly Hills. Doctor Bethany Matt Harris 155 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: from wl n K may rightfully call it swamp, but 156 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: that means money. So we you know, you can fill 157 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,599 Speaker 1: in a swamp if the EPA doesn't stop you or 158 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: the DNR and build a subdivision or a shopping mall 159 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: on it. All that land, hundreds of acres equals money. 160 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: But that aside who in the hey I mean, I 161 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: don't think anybody on this panel or in this room, Jackie, 162 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: unless you surprise me, has a home and a hunting 163 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: lodge where you keep your dogs NC. This is a 164 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: family who really wanted to accrue power. Power translated in 165 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: being able to be free with the law will being 166 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 1: conflict of interests, lots of land, lansing things for themselves, 167 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: in other words, taking more than their fair share. I 168 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: don't need to criticize when there's a fifty two year 169 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: old and it's funny three year old dead, but I 170 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: know from my clinical practice in Beverly Hills when somebody 171 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: walks through the door who relates to other people on 172 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: the basis of power rather than affection, and their whole 173 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: result the ettra and life is accruing power. That person 174 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: also has a lot of interests of enemies, and they're 175 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: so called blood ones. Also also hate them. As you know, 176 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: love and hate is often succide with the same coin. Well, 177 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: you have a lot of power. A lot of those 178 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: attaching systems lean towards hatred more than they do lean 179 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: towards love. Another thing about power and money, it affects 180 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: the way that you're raised, the way you grow up, 181 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: what you think is normal. Does that come into play. 182 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to circle back with Matt Harris on that. 183 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: But we're talking about the hunting lodge where the mother 184 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: and son are found murdered, still arrests and police are 185 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: keeping it very close to the vest redacting or marking 186 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: out with a black match at marker everything they don't 187 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: want you to know. And then xeroxy. We basically know 188 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: no more today than we did from about a week 189 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,599 Speaker 1: after the instant talking about this remote hunting lodge called Moiselle. 190 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: I guess because it's on Moiselle Road. It's about a 191 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: thousand acres. Take a listen to Evil Pilgrim, our friend 192 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: at GMA. The Murdoch property is remote, it spans hundreds 193 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: of acres, and the feeling in the community whoever killed 194 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: the Murdas didn't end up here by accident or randomly. 195 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: Twenty two year old Paul Murda and his fifty six 196 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: year old mother, Maggie, found shot to death near the 197 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: dog kennels outside the Families Hunting Lodge last week. County 198 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: investigators turning the case over to state law enforcement. So far, 199 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: there have been no arrests, no suspects have been named. 200 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: Law enforcement being very tight lipped about this investigation. As 201 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, isn't it true, Matt Harris W. L. K. 202 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:11,479 Speaker 1: Charlotte In that jurisdiction, cops are required to release police documents, 203 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: certain police documents at request. All that's been released is 204 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: what well, well, you said, lots of redacted things, lots 205 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: of papers with large sharpies taken through them, so you 206 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: don't have a lot of information. We found out a 207 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: car was towed from there. We know that Maggie's phone 208 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: was eventually found on the road near the camp, but 209 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: not a lot and it's it's really been a battle 210 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: with some of the newspapers like Posting Courier, et cetera, 211 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: who have filing Freedom of Information Act papers to get 212 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: some more information. And when they do release it's it's 213 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: really redacted. It's there's no shortage of people who might 214 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: have been on the bad side of the Murdocks, all 215 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: the things that have happened over the last man. You 216 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: can say that again. I'm going to get into some 217 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: of those three of those prior incidents with the Murdocks 218 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: that people are touting its potential motive for murder. But 219 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: I want to talk about again where we are and 220 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: the evidence that we know so far we believe do 221 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: we not to Patrick McDavid, partner with Quick Group Investigations. 222 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: You can find them at quick Group llc dot com. 223 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: Former Agent in charge Homeland Security in South Carolina. This 224 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: guy's been around the block a couple of times. Patrick, 225 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. We know that one 226 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: car was towed, which I find to be totally normal. 227 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: But wait for it. The mother, Maggie's cell phone was 228 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: found in a different place than her body was. That's 229 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: not right. Yeah, that definitely is not right. And it 230 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: sounds like somebody in a hurry might have tossed it 231 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: out of window and just figured it wouldn't be found. 232 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: But we can background that the alex has and the 233 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: rest of his family, they're well aware of how investigations work, 234 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: and how cell phones are critical cell power information and 235 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: how easily those phones can be tracked as long as 236 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: that SIM card is in that phone to you, Matt Harris, 237 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: let's follow up on what Patrick McDavid is saying. Where 238 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: Matt was Maggie the mother, fifty two year old Maggie Murdoch. 239 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: Where was her cell phone found? It was outside of 240 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: the what do you want to call it? A compound 241 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: of the hunting area, on one of the roads, not 242 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: far from the where the murders were. And I know 243 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: that what we know is that something happened must have 244 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: come up through the looking at that phone, because they 245 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: reopened the case which we haven't got into yet of 246 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: what was ruled to hit and run back in twenty fifteen. 247 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: That case was reopened, and we think it's tied to 248 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: the because they say it was tied to something they 249 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: founded the investigation, which they found in the investigation, not 250 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: necessarily on the cell phone, but I see you making 251 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: that connection. I want to go back to where the 252 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: cell phone was found. I under it was found on 253 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: a road near the hunting lodge. Yes, it was on 254 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: the on side of a road, the side of a 255 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: road off the hunting lodge. You got about a thousand 256 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: acres on that hunting lodge. But it was found out 257 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: on a public road, correct, right cord is correct? Yes, 258 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: so it was off the scene of the crime. It 259 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: was off the property, either dropped or thrown out of 260 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: a car window. So somebody got rid of that phone, 261 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: either intentionally or unintentionally. Why now, let me go back 262 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: to Matt Harris who found the bodies. The dad Alec 263 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: did Alec is the father of Paul and the husband 264 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: of Maggie, and they say it an aeric tate alibi. 265 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: He was visiting his father, the grandfather, Randolph Murder, who 266 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: died just a few days after the murders. So he 267 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 1: was visiting them on what was this? What day the 268 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: weight was this? Let's see that was it was June. 269 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: That would be like a Wednesday, I guess maybe a 270 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: chance to look it up Monday it was a Monday. 271 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: By saying Monday, yes, Monday, So he says he's at 272 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: his dad's bedside in the hospital. On Monday Night Time 273 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about the brutal 274 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: murders of a fifty two year old mother, Maggie Murdoch 275 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: and her son Paul, both fund several feet apart, both 276 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: shot multiple multiple times with long guns. And I bring 277 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: the fact that they were shot with long guns because 278 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: that suggests to me that there may have been more 279 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: than one killer. Unless you're from Rifleman or you're from 280 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. Who else comes out with two 281 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: guns blazing that are long guns like a rifle or 282 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: an AAR assault rifle like a shotgun that takes a 283 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: lot of expertise to handle just one shotgun or one AR, 284 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: much less two. And we know this because the ballistics 285 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: show the two victims were shot with different weapons. Now, 286 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: the husband, the father says there's an airtight alibi that 287 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: he's at the hospital at the time they're shot dead. 288 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our friend Brooke Butler, w 289 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: JCL twenty two. The South Carolina Law Enforcement Division and 290 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: the Colton County Sheriff's Office still not releasing much information 291 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: about the shooting desks of Paul and Maggie Murdock, but 292 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 1: a family end is providing some insights. Tangiomer was in 293 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: her bedroom June seventh when she knew something was wrong. 294 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: Usually when you hear that many sirens, it has to 295 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: be something, something really tragic. Comer was devastated to learn 296 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: Paul and Maggie Murdle had been shot. She says, Alex 297 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: Murda found their bodies. I can only imagine when you 298 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: come home and help and bind her, your wife and 299 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: your son in the yard. Omer says, the day's leading 300 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: up to their deaths were normal. I would have never 301 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: never guess thought I'd gotten that kind of call about Maggie. 302 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: Even now, she and this prominent South Carolina family of 303 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: attorneys are counting a law enforcement to get them some answers. 304 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: I think they have in that faith in the judicial 305 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: system and law enforcement to do their jobs. They'll know 306 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: some answers now. Omer says, just like everyone else, she's 307 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: not sure if the shooting was targeted or not, but 308 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: she does say the fact that they were shot multiple 309 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: times does seem personal. Back to you, Matt Harris, But 310 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: they weren't at home, so the father Alex Murdog says 311 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: that husband and slash. Father says he came quote home 312 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: and found them dead, but it wasn't home. What led 313 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: him that night to go out to the hunting lots 314 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: that was not their home. From what I understand, the mom, Maggie, 315 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: and the son Paul were staying there. I don't know 316 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: how long they had been staying there, but they were 317 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: staying there at this time, and so Paul or Alec 318 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: I mean, probably went there to see, I don't know, 319 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: see how they were doing. I don't know if he 320 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: was staying there or not. I know they were staying 321 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: there for a few days. I don't know how many days. 322 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: Let me understand something was the husband not staying there 323 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: and the wife and the son were. That's where there 324 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: is some confusion in rumors and whatnot about whether he 325 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: was staying there or nottial interesting, so he may not 326 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: have been staying with his wife. That's that is a possibility. 327 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: That is a possibility. Yes, and he found them. I 328 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: think he found them at ten in the corner or 329 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: The ruled that the murders happened around nine thirty. So 330 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: you're telling me he went out there even though he 331 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: wasn't staying there at ten o'clock at night to check 332 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: on them. I don't know if he was staying there 333 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: or not. There's different that's not been confirmed, but that's 334 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: the possibility. And maybe he was stating there that night. 335 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: Since they had multiple homes, they could be moving back 336 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: and forth. From what he made by multiple homes, there's 337 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: a hunting lodge, there's a chief residence. What else is there? Yeah, 338 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 1: I think that's uh, the chief resident. That's the multiple homes. 339 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: There is the chief. The Bridge Presidence is a big 340 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: house on the river in that county that you know 341 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: they also live at. So that's their main residence right there. Guys, 342 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: take a listen again to our friend Eva Pilgrim. He's 343 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: a very caring person and she was a rock of 344 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: their family. This morning, members of the Murdoch family speaking 345 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: for the first time since their brother Elik Murdoch, found 346 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: his twenty two year old son Paul, and his wife 347 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: Maggie shot to death outside their South Carolina home last week. 348 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: I got a call from Elick Monday night as soon 349 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: as they entered a vote and knew something was wrong. 350 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: Oh man, he just told me, he said, come as 351 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: fast as you can. Paul and Magi have been hurt, 352 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: his voice to fear he was just a straw. No 353 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: arrest had been made, no suspects named. The Murdoch's issuing 354 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: a plea for help this morning. The person that did 355 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: this is out there and there's information. However, bigger hover small, 356 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: it is back to you, Matt Harris. Is that the 357 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: husband I like Murdoch speaking. No, that was his brother's Randy. 358 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: I believe I was Randy, and I probably John Marvin. 359 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: They also said in that interview that Paul had been 360 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: getting threats, but they didn't take them very seriously. So 361 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: that is something we wonder what that was about the son, 362 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: Paul twenty two year old son Paul. Ye, okay, So 363 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: has the husband made a public play? No, publicly at all. 364 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: Not as far as I know. I've not heard anything 365 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: coming out of from Alec. It's always been from his 366 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: brothers or friends of Maggie. That's That's all I've seen 367 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: or heard or read. Guys, what more do we not 368 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: take a listen to? Katie came in wc SC Live. 369 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: According to the Colton County Corner, Maggie and Paul were 370 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: both shot in multiple times outside on their rural property 371 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: near Island tent. Still, there have been no arrests for 372 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: the murders, and law enforcement has not released information on 373 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: any potential suspects or motives. Low Country attorneys Susan Williams says, 374 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: in her seventeen years practicing law, she's not seen a 375 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: case like this that has guarded such attention across the country. 376 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: She tells us she too is looking for answers, and 377 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: someone from law enforcement said that the public should not 378 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 1: be in fear, and no one has been arrested today, 379 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: and so it doesn't make sense to me. And I'm 380 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: sure that there is an explanation for that that's plausible, 381 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: but just as a member of the general public, I 382 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: just don't understand it. We've got two murders in the 383 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: Polton County and we've got no arrest. That is very, 384 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: very interesting. Back to Susan E. Williams, South Carolina criminal 385 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: defense attorney, former prosecutor and Somerville Susan to make the statement, 386 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: you don't need to worry public, We've got this under control. 387 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,959 Speaker 1: You're not in danger. Why would they say that unless 388 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: they think they know who is the shooter and that 389 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: shooter poses no threat to anyone else. That's right. Nancy 390 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: and the investigators have given the public little information, and 391 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: they say that's to preserve the integrity of the ongoing investigation. 392 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: So we're left to wonder if this was a random 393 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: act of violence, or revenge killing, or something else. There 394 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: has been a one hundred thousand dollar reward offered, and 395 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: it does have an expiration date, which I also find 396 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: interesting an expiration date. Tell me about that. The expiration 397 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: date for the one hundred thousand dollars reward is at 398 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: the end of September one. I find that very very interesting. 399 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: I want to go to doctor Michelle Dupree joining me. 400 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: She's forensic pathologists, former medical examiner author. She literally wrote 401 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: the book Homicide Investigation Field Guide and to boot former 402 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 1: police detective Dodger Dupree, Let's talk about what we know, 403 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: not about influence what may have happened. Let's talk about 404 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: what we know happened. We know a mother and son 405 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: were shot dead in a remote hunting lodge area about 406 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: a thousand acres that nobody was there. The husband slash 407 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: father was at the hospital that night. I wonder what 408 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: visiting hours are at the hospital. But he doesn't get home. 409 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: While it's not home. He says he's going to quote 410 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: check on them. This is what we've been told. It's 411 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: ten o'clock at night, to go check on them. He 412 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: finds the bodies. How do we know that there were 413 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: two weapons used? And how can they be identified as 414 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: an AAR and a shotgun? What? Nancy, That's an excellent question. 415 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: And one of the ways that we do that is 416 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: we look at the actual bodies themselves, and we look 417 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: at the wounds. There may also be evidence of shell 418 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: casings or something at the scene, which we do not 419 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: know if they were recovered or not. But looking at 420 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: a body, a shotgun does a particular kind of injury 421 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: to a body that we can readily identify as does 422 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: an assault rifle. There are two totally different kinds of wounds. 423 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: I would want to know, was it close range? Was 424 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: it contact? In other words, gun to skin? If I 425 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: could figure out who was shot first, if the victims ran, 426 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 1: were they shot in the back or did they know 427 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: their attacker? Crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys, we were 428 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: talking about the double murders of a mother and son 429 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: founded a remote hunting lodge, their second home, so to speak. 430 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: Maggie and Paul Murdog are their murders, multiple gunshot execution 431 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: style murders connected to three previous incidents, one the boating 432 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: death of a young nineteen year old girl, Mallory Beach, 433 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: the trip and fall of a houseworker that worked with 434 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: the Murdogs, and the death of a young man his 435 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: body found on the side of the road, seemingly a 436 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: hit and run. How could they be connected? Well, take 437 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Stephen Fabian at Inside Edition. 438 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: Investigators are trying to determine if there is any possible 439 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: link with the tragic death two years ago of nineteen 440 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: year old college student Mallory Beach, who was killed when 441 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: a boat in which she was a passenger slammed into 442 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: a bridge during a wild party. All five of us 443 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: are owning one person and allegedly grossly intoxicated. Paul Murdoch 444 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: was charged with boating under the influence. He was awaiting 445 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: trial when he was slain with his mother. Mallory's family 446 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the Murdochs. The 447 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: Murdoch family is well known in South Carolina. For eighty 448 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: seven years, three generations of Murdochs have served as local 449 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: prosecutors over the decades. They've sent thousands of defendants to prison, 450 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: in more than a dozen men to death row. The 451 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: list of people who might hate the Murdochs and seek 452 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: revenge is long, but local reports keep returning to the 453 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: death of Mallory Beach. Interesting the theory straight out to you. 454 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of 455 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: it all Susan E. Williams joining me, former prosecutor now 456 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: defense attorney in South Carolina. The theory would be like 457 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: a vehicular homicide where you're drunk out of your gourd, 458 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: you plow in to a mother and son, mother and 459 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: child in the crosswalk, and it killed both of them. 460 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: In this case, Paul Murdoch, no doubt about it was drunk. 461 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: His alter ego had taken over. I think the name 462 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: was Timmy that his friends called him. When he got 463 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: so out of his mind drunk, acted like a different person. 464 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: He had slapped one woman on the boat, was yelling 465 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: and screaming, insisting on driving. When he plowed into pilings 466 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: around that bridge, and Malory Beach was thrown off the boat. 467 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: The theory would be like vehicular homicide it would be 468 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: a like a voting vehicular homicide, right, correct. Yeah. He 469 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: was charged with three counts of voting under the influence 470 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: resulting in death or serious bodily injury. Death or serious 471 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: bodily injury. Straight out to Matt Harris. Matt, I want 472 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: you to take a listen to this. This is part 473 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: of the nine one one call from a Malory Beach 474 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: was killed. Are you in the water? Are you we're 475 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: in the boat? Okay, I'm calling reference to the table. 476 00:31:53,040 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: I'm sorry vote crash. Six people on board. They currently 477 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: have one missing. All right. It's an Archer's Creek which 478 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: is right there off of Parris Island. There's a bridge 479 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: on Paras Island. They're underneath it. The crushed into the bridge. 480 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to Matt Harris, morning 481 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: show host w l n K and star of the 482 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: Murdoch Family Murders, Impact of Influence. Matt, tell me about 483 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: Mallory Beach's death. Well, the accidents was occurred after a 484 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: night of partying by the well you called that party 485 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: in sounds like a big drunk to me. Yeah. Well, 486 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: they went to a bunch of places. They went to 487 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: this oyster roast and they stopped by another bar that 488 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: allegedly Paul insisted on stopping by to get more shots 489 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: before they went home. And then he took off his clothes. 490 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: It was only in his boxers with he was driving 491 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: and screaming. And you're right, woman, Yes, that's allegedly that's 492 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: the thing that he does it. That's in a deposition, 493 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: that's in a sworn deposition. They came out of the 494 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: civil against Paul Murdoch. He has been sued. His uh, 495 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: the bar that sold them the drinks has been sued, 496 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: and the brother of Paul Murdog as I recall, who 497 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: let him use his ID to get the booze, has 498 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: also been sued. Paul Paul wasn't sued, but you're right, 499 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: Buster was, and Alec was the father because it was 500 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: his boat, Buster the fake ID and the store that 501 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: sold Paul all the liquor um. And you gotta remember 502 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: when I said his clothes off. It was February and 503 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: even in South Carolina, that's cold. It was a cold, foggy, 504 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: really foggy night. And he was in his boxers driving 505 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: the boat was on the on the in the driven 506 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: a little bit. But he had said Paul took over 507 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: and wouldn't let anybody else touch the wheel, and then 508 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: he was going slow and they started screaming, you know, 509 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: we got to get home quick. Utton around because he 510 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: was dancing, and then he just floored it and that's 511 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: when the crash happened. According to the death and isn't 512 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: it true that? According to just sworn testimony under oath, 513 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: it was stated that Paul Murdog the Sun had been 514 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: overtaken by his altar personality. I believe the name was 515 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: Timmy that his friends called him when he got so drunk. 516 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: It was like he had a different personality. Yes, that 517 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: is true. They called him, they called Timmy, and they 518 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: said Timmy took over at some point during the evening 519 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: when they had stopped at another bar after the oyster 520 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: rose and drink some more shots. Can I ask you 521 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: why was Paul Murdog out on bond, walking free after 522 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: this girl's dad because him, well, he had to go 523 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: in file petition to be able to leave and go 524 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: to USC went to University of South Carolina, and the 525 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: judge allowed him to do that, and so he was 526 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: back at college in the fall. This happened in February. 527 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,280 Speaker 1: A judge a judge. He went back to a judge 528 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: that works hand in hand with the District Attorney's office 529 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: every single day. One of those judges, one of those judges. Okay, 530 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: guys out walking free. Nineteen year old Mallory Beach is dead. 531 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: But that's not all. Take a listen to our cut eleven. 532 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: This is Sophia Desusair WCBDTV, Charleston. Stephen Smith was found 533 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: dead in a roadway. Original reports say it was a 534 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: hidden run, but the notes that detail highway patrols years 535 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: long investigation point to a different story. We obtained photos, videos, 536 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,919 Speaker 1: and our's worth of interviews, the Murdoch's name coming up repeatedly. 537 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: The twenty fifteen case now getting a second look by slid. 538 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: I can't decay now what where's your emergency? It's the 539 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: call that would spark an investigation into what troopers thought 540 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: was a hidden run. I was going down a wrong rule. 541 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: But incident report after incident report shows no sign. Stephen 542 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: Smith was hit by a car. Steve Smith dead on 543 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: the side of the road. His mother has always said 544 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: there was a cover up in this case, that people 545 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: made up lies because her son that to say Stephen 546 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: Smith was gay, take a listen to Sophia again to 547 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: Cisair w c B DTV Charleston. This is our cut. 548 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: Twelve dozens of interviews we obtained show a complicated web 549 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: of family members and classmates who knew the nineteen year 550 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,839 Speaker 1: old and the rumors spreading around Hampton County. You're after 551 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: green with Stevens lifestyle, but they don't mean did he 552 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: used to be killed? And nobody used to find out 553 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: what happened? Within a month, those rumors were pointing to 554 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: Buster Murdoch, the son and brother of the two Murdochs 555 00:36:46,920 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: shot dead in June of this year. D investigators speaking 556 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: with several people backtracking where the tip originated from and 557 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: did he say where he heard that room or how 558 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 1: he was backing that up? So he just said, oh 559 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: I heard Mustard did it? Did he say how he 560 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: did it? Or what happened to Matt Harris Morning show 561 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: hosts A L n K. So you've got the Molly 562 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: Beach death. Now you have Stephen Smith, and we don't 563 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 1: care if he's gay or straight, or purple or blue. 564 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: The reality is he's found on the side of the 565 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: road and it's connected to the Murdoch family. According to 566 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: reports that they deny. Then you've got a trip and 567 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: fall of a housekeeper. But I want to circle back 568 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: to Stephen Smith found on the side of the road. 569 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: Matt Harris, How, if at all, is that death connected 570 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: to the Murdoch family. Well, Stephen Smith, she was found 571 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,240 Speaker 1: in the middle of the road, which is the only reason, 572 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: appears to be the only reason that the pathologists said 573 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: it was a hit and run. Rolled it a hit 574 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: and run because she said, well it's in the middle 575 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: of the road. That's what I've got to go with. 576 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 1: So how is it tied in? The thing that we 577 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: know now is that something happens. They found some information, 578 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: They discovered something that sledd during the investigation of the 579 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,320 Speaker 1: Burdock murders that allowed them to reopen the case because 580 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: they have some something they found led them back to 581 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 1: open the Stephen Smith case. And they went and visits 582 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 1: Sandy Smith's home We've been in contact with for over 583 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: a year now and told her they had opened it 584 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: based on what they found during that investigation. So that 585 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: is the immedia time. Now we know that that Stephen 586 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: Smith was friends with the Murdock boys, played baseball with them. 587 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: The dad, the older brother coached the team with them. 588 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: The dad was involved with the team, and even Stephen's 589 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: father had one of the murdocks representing him in a 590 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: lawsuit that was going on as well. And Stephen Smith's 591 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 1: dad passed soon after Stephen was killed. Now we also 592 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 1: know that nineteen year old Stephen Smith was sprawled in 593 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: the middle of the road, his head bashed in. He 594 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 1: was alone. His car was found about two or three 595 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: miles down the street. According to police, it looked as 596 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: if he had run out of gas. To doctor Michelle Dupree, 597 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: joining me, we're noowed medical examiner, doctor Dupree, How can 598 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: you tell if somebody was beating in the head, dead, 599 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 1: left in the middle of the road as opposed to 600 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: a hit and run. Well, any we look at the injuries, 601 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 1: I mean they tell us the facts. A depressed fracture 602 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: of a skull is going to tell us that they 603 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: were hit with an object, a baseball bat or whatever 604 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: it may be. When we look at something to be 605 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: an automobile accident, we want to see evidence of that. 606 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: Are there abrasions in places that we would expect to find, 607 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: are their road rash in other places? I don't think 608 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 1: we found that in this case interesting to you, Patrick McDavid, 609 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: partner with Quick Group Investigations, former Resident Agent in charge 610 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: of Homeland Security there in Charleston. Patrick, you know, we're 611 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: investigating the murders of the mom Maggie and the sun Paul, 612 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: but somehow it's gotten very complicated and the tentacles of 613 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: this beast are reaching far into very unexpected other cases. Well, 614 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: there's no question. I think that's the strangest thing that 615 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: come out of this whole investigation so far is the 616 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 1: reopening of the case involving Stephen Smith. Why do you 617 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 1: say that, Well, it's just it seemed like it was 618 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: a cold case. It goes back to twenty fifteen, and 619 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 1: there was always rumors about the family be having some 620 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: knowledge about it and selling. After this investigation gets started, 621 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: they've reopened that investigation has based on what Pashick McDavid 622 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: is saying, Isn't it true there are allegations that the 623 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: Murdoch family clammed up and would not cooperate with the 624 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 1: Stephen Smith investigation. Well, I think the interesting thing was 625 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: also about the Stephen Smith alleged we called it a 626 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,320 Speaker 1: hit and run at one point, is that the Murdochs 627 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 1: were quick on the scene because the glaw firm and 628 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,439 Speaker 1: they know what these things, so they were there quickly. 629 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: They even offered uh Sandy Smith, Stephen's mom, to offer 630 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,120 Speaker 1: to represent her and if she wanted to do a 631 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: lawsuit and represented for free, and she thought that was odds. 632 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: There was a court to Sandy, there was a rape 633 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: kit taken, There was defensive wounds on Stephen Smith on 634 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,919 Speaker 1: his hands. There was also fingernail clippings that were taken, 635 00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: and now that evidence has been lost, she thinks, so 636 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 1: if it was a hit and run for the it 637 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 1: seems odd that they'd be doing a rape kit and 638 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: they'd be doing a gunshot residue test. And because originally 639 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 1: the first people on the scene, that the South caron 640 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: On Highway patrol, thought it was a gunshot, and then 641 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: they went on to think that people thought maybe it 642 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 1: was a beating, and then when they went to the 643 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 1: MUSC pathologists, she went with the hit and run. She 644 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: was the first one in this long chain to say 645 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,840 Speaker 1: it was a hit and run, and the officers had disagreed. 646 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,800 Speaker 1: Todd Procts, a big went out there banging the drums 647 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 1: saying it does doesn't add up. There was no, no, 648 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: no debris from the car, a car that would have 649 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,840 Speaker 1: hit him. He would assume there was some debris. It 650 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,879 Speaker 1: was none of that because they were supposed to be glad. 651 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,359 Speaker 1: There was glass on or paint chips on Stephen's black 652 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 1: Nike shirt that was a blue paint, which she would 653 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 1: think they'd be able to identify what that might belong to. 654 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: And so there was a lot of things that were 655 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 1: adding up to something being not a hit and run. 656 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 1: Even at the beginning. So many people are thrilled that 657 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: it was open because there's only one pathologist that kept 658 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,799 Speaker 1: saying and run. Rest the people around the case, we're 659 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,840 Speaker 1: saying it wasn't. Man Harris. How far was Steven's body 660 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 1: found from the Murdochs From the Murdoch We're like, the 661 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: hunting cabinet is, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's I 662 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,959 Speaker 1: don't know how far it is, but this, the road 663 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,480 Speaker 1: that he was on, is a road that he was 664 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: found on. I talked to his mom about it was 665 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: a road that anybody there was a big I think 666 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: it was a baseball game or a basketball game that night, 667 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: but that's just the main road the people from that 668 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 1: school use to go back and forth. So he went 669 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 1: to the same general area. Okay, it's definitely where Murdochs 670 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,359 Speaker 1: and everybody that went to that high school a road 671 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: and day traveled. We wait as justice unfalls. No one 672 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,479 Speaker 1: has been charged, no person of interest has been named, 673 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: much less a suspect. The Murdock's assists they have nothing 674 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: to do with any of these cases. So who murdered Maggie? 675 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: Paul Nancy Gray's crime story signing off goodbye friend, m