1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huttle on Giants 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: dot Com, The Giants Let Him Let the Giants podcast Network. 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to the news edition of The Giants Subtle Podcast. 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: My name is John Schmult. Today's guest is Connor Rogers, 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: lead draft analyst for Bleacher Report and host of the 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: Stock Exchange podcast for Pro Football Focus. Before we get 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: the Connor, just a reminder you can find The Giant 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: Subtle Podcast on your favorite podcast platforms and Giants Mobile app, 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: and of course, the Giants dot Com slash podcast. Connor, 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: I've enjoyed your work for a while. We have never 11 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: had you on our show. We do a lot of 12 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: draft coverage here with the Giants. Thanks for being with us, Man, 13 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: How are you. I'm good, John, Thanks for having me Man. 14 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk about these two top ten picks 15 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: today and much more. Yeah. Absolutely, and both of us 16 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: are kind of gearing up to head out the Indianapolis 17 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: for the Combine next week. That should be fun what 18 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: we'll be doing shows there all week. Give me a 19 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: feel for this class, Connor. Before we kind of get 20 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: into some details, you know, I've watched probably to the 21 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: top thirty or forty guys in this class, and my 22 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: sense is that, in my opinion is that there aren't 23 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: quite as many blue Chippers as you would normally get 24 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: in a normal year. Guys that you feel really good 25 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: about last year, they'll probably even if you take the 26 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: quarterbacks out, seven or eight of those guys this year, 27 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: maybe half of that you're feeling just the strength of 28 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: the top of the class. I think that's a great 29 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: place to start. I think what you need to be 30 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: prepared for with this classes that last year it was 31 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: a unique year that we were spoiled with star talent, 32 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: right and a lot of people fall in the trap 33 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: of that's because there was you know, four quarterbacks everybody 34 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: knew was going in the top fifteen, and then you know, 35 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,919 Speaker 1: obviously ended up being more as the process got deeper. 36 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: But when you looked at what Jamaar Chase did, even 37 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: jay Leen Waddle, Davante Smith, Michael Parsons in a very 38 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: small sample, but that small sample, you can see that 39 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: he'd be a superstar the top two corners and certaining horn. 40 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: It was a star class that there was names that 41 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: you knew we're going to be potential faces of their 42 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: rosters for the next eight to ten years wherever they landed. 43 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: And I think this year, while it has less of that, 44 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: it does have a lot of high floor players that 45 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: can come in and be foundational pieces. And like you said, 46 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: those are along the offensive line. There's a lot of 47 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: pass rush help. It might not be the Miles Garrett 48 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: Chase Young's of the world, but guys that are in 49 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: that next year, closer to what Brian Burns was coming 50 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: out of college, that can come in and they can, 51 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: you know, be a high end number two pass rusher 52 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: for you on a lot of teams, and number one 53 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: that can eventually get to that double digit sack total. 54 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: And what's unique to meet John as well I has 55 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: been I've been building a big board is the fact 56 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: that I think there are about fifteen to eighteen players 57 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: you really love, and then the pool gets even from 58 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: almost twenty to fifty five. That yeah, certain guys will 59 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: fall better in certain places, but overall that twenty to 60 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: fifty five ranges just nice solid starters that can come 61 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: in and be borderline plug and play, but they're not 62 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: gonna be all pro caliber players. Yeah, and you know, 63 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: my sense to Connors that you're gonna have a lot 64 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: of surprises. You're early in this draft where one team 65 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: is gonna fall in love with a guy, another team 66 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: might have him as their sixteenth best player, and this 67 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: team might have as their fourth best player. So I 68 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: think you are probably gonna get a lot of surprises, 69 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: but at the same time, probably not a lot of movement, 70 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: right because you don't have those top quarterbacks teams are 71 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: gonna be looking to trade up for. I think that's 72 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: exactly right. I think the fact is how varying the 73 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: grades are coming out from team to team. Really, the 74 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: only players I can find unification on in this class 75 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton's safety from Notre Dame. There won't be a 76 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: team that puts a bad grade on him. There won't 77 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: be a team that puts really just a good grade 78 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: on him. He will have borderline elite grades, but the 79 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: fact that he plays safety is gonna limit how high 80 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: he can really go in this draft. And then Aidan 81 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,119 Speaker 1: Hutchinson is somebody that you know might not once again, 82 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: he's not getting those Miles Garrett Chase Young grades, but 83 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: he's getting really high floor grades that he's almost cemented 84 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: into the top three picks of this draft. A lot 85 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: of people would be surprised. I would be shocked if 86 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: he made it by the Lions at two. I know 87 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: they absolutely love him and feel great about making that picket. 88 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: To the three tackles at the top, Evan Neil and 89 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: Eca Mkwon, who are really the two that everybody loves. 90 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: I love Charles Cross and how at have you know 91 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: him right there with them? So when you look at 92 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: this class though, after that, the wide receivers, there's no 93 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: consensus top guy. The running backs, no consensus top guy. 94 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: Same with quarterback and on and on. It goes that 95 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: to me is shocking and not very common draft to 96 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: draft to have this many position groups that there is 97 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: no consensus from really any team, and it's not just 98 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: one or two guys battling it out. It's one to four, 99 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: one to five guys battling it out, no questions. So 100 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: let's start at the edge players, because because you mentioned 101 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson and Cavon, Thibodeau is a guy that if 102 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: you talk to people three or four months ago, I 103 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: think people are like, oh, this guy is gonna be 104 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: the top overall pick in the draft. And now you're 105 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: hearing from around front offices. Maybe there are some questions 106 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: about him. I think you obviously love the raw tools. 107 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: So how do you think those two guys might be 108 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: able to help or hurt themselves when they get to 109 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: the combine and do some of that testing. They go 110 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: out there and a lot of it you won't see, right, 111 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: A lot of it for them is the interviews and 112 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: the medicals. And you know, Thibodeau was banked up this year, 113 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. Hutchinson in two thousand and 114 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: twenty had a season ending injury that happened in the 115 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: third game of his year. I believe. So when you 116 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: look at it, they both have. Every player has a 117 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: medical pass that teams have to dive into and make 118 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: sure they won't impact their long term. Obviously, how they interview, 119 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: how they're gonna be implemented, not just in the scheme 120 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: but in the culture of that team um and then 121 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: obviously the testing. Both these guys should test off the charts. 122 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: I think with Aidan Hutchinson, it's the short area quickness 123 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: that's gonna be the three cone. With Katie it's it's 124 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: gonna be probably everything. To be honest with you, I know, 125 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if people have soured on him or 126 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: a lot of high profile analysts have revealed their grades 127 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: and they never did that with Katie Uh even back 128 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: to summer or during the season. But for me, I 129 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: would not bet against him. I think there is too 130 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: much raw physical talent. Like you said, he's so explosive, 131 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: he can get off the snap. I've seen a lot 132 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: of speed to power. I think the the skill set 133 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: will expand over time with the right coaching. I don't 134 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: know if the coaching at Oregon really maximized his ability 135 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: as a pass rusher. While at Michigan over the years 136 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: we've seen that. We saw it last year with Quitty 137 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: pay now obvious se with Aiden Hutchinson and David a Jabo. 138 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: There is coaching in the trenches there and that you know, 139 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: is different than what you're seeing on the West Coast. 140 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: That's just the reality of the situation. So I think 141 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: there's so much raw talent there. Neither of those guys 142 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: escape the top five, no matter how much buzz you're 143 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: hearing around and not the best buzz for Tibodeaux at 144 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: this moment. After the combine, that will come back down 145 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: to earth. So you think realistically there is a chance 146 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: Thibodeaux was there at five for the Giants. Is that 147 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: one of those borderline hold your breath for the first 148 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: hour of the draftsed areas? It absolutely is. I mean, 149 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: let's let's I mean, you go through it really quickly. 150 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: Right if Jacksonville takes a tackle at the top, A 151 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: lot of people think Evan Neil dad helps the Giants 152 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: right out of the gate, and even helps the Jets 153 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: out of the gate. And that's gonna factor into what 154 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: happens to the Giants at five, because then you have, 155 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: like I said, I think Aidan Hutchinson goes to two 156 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: Texans total wild cart just no one knows my understanding 157 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: of that front office coming from New England, they always 158 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: put a priority on secondary players and that comes across 159 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: from leadership, versatility, uh, floor, ceiling and Kyle Hamilton's checks 160 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: all those boxes where you look at it and go okay, 161 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: maybe they are the team that takes Hamilton's at three. 162 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: You know, if they moved on from a Laramie Tunzel, 163 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: do they get involved with a Quantum or Neil if 164 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: he's there, and then the Jets at four? Once again 165 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: at Quantum is a hot landing spot form there that 166 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: leaves the door open for the Giants at Thibodeaux. Now, 167 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: once again, the Texans and the Jets are absolutely a 168 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: potential landing spot for Kebon Tibodeau. They need pass rush out. 169 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: This kind of talent is not availub isn't present for 170 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: your franchise every year, whether it's free agency, trades or 171 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: the draft. But there I would put a thirty thirty 172 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: five percent chance that he's there for the Giants at five. 173 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: All right, now, let's play a dangerous game. The Giants 174 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: get there at five, at quantity is gone and Evan 175 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: Neil's gun. The Giants know they probably need to get 176 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: an offensive tackle with one of their first two picks, 177 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: and probably the only guy left that would be worth 178 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: one of those two picks is Charles Cross, the guy 179 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, right, really good past, protective, good athlete. 180 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: So you know, the Panthers at six could be thinking 181 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: quarterback or are they thinking offensive line because their offensive 182 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: line was a disaster. Do you then say, well, you know, 183 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: we don't think Calin is going to pick the pass 184 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: rush here. Do you then pick Cross and then wait 185 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: for Tibodeau with seven, or are you afraid of a 186 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: trade up? That's the type of when you're picking only 187 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: two picks apart. Those are the types of calculations in 188 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: front office is gonna have to make. It is, and 189 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: it's one that I think this new regime will do 190 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: a really good job of. I think they understand how 191 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: the draft falls, knowing from where they come from in Buffalo, 192 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: seeing how they've played the draft over you every year, 193 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: John I released, you know, after the draft a class 194 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: or two that I show where I had the guy 195 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: and where that team took all their guys, because there's 196 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: always one or two classes where you're like, wow, the 197 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: value was through the roof, and here the Bills got 198 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: Dawson knocks like that class as a whole for them 199 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: incredible value and that draft, a couple of their drafts 200 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,599 Speaker 1: is really, uh, you know, built the foundation where that 201 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: franchise is at. Now. The Giants need to get a 202 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: couple of those classes as well. So maybe I personally 203 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't do it. I wouldn't play the variable of the 204 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: fact that somebody could come up to six because they 205 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: love Thibodeaux and the Panthers asking price might not be insane. 206 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: We don't know how the Panthers feel about this quarterback class. 207 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: If say a month from now, everybody in the world 208 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: knows that they love Kenny Pickett. There aren't gonna pass 209 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: on Kenny Pickett. Then you can play that game. But 210 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: then you also know that Cross will still be there 211 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: at seven. So I would take the higher graded player 212 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: in Thibodeau at five and worry about things later at seven. 213 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: And let's not forget I'll say this with the Giants, 214 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: everybody is enamored with offensive line for them, myself included. 215 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: I will not get away from that at pick thirty six. 216 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: There are gonna be good offensive lineman in this class, 217 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: so you don't have to panic and put yourself in 218 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: a corner. You can still get help in other ways 219 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: through this specific draft class later on and pass rushers 220 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: with Cavon Thibodeaus. Tools don't grow on trees. You don't 221 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: have a chance. Yeah, you don't have a chance to 222 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: get with those unless you have a top five, top six, 223 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: top seven pick. And you hope that should not pick 224 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: it in this spot again too often. Moving forward, I'm 225 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: with you. Separate these three offensive linemen for me. Neil 226 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: Cross at Quantu Quanta, who's a hell of a lot 227 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: of fun to watch in the run game. He just 228 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: tosses guys around nels of monster c us. We talked 229 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: about his past protection. How can these guys help separate 230 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: themselves at the combine? The same movie kind of saw 231 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: like the McKay Beckton's the Tristan Worth class from a 232 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, when those testing numbers kind of separated, 233 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: that grew bad a little bit. Yeah, well, the measurements 234 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: always is very interesting for the offensive tackles. There are 235 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: teams that still to this day value arm length, and 236 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: I think this was a popular conversation around Rashaan Slater 237 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: last year that was misguided that you know, some teams 238 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: thought he couldn't play tackle, and that was real. A 239 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: lot of teams did valuate him as a guard. He 240 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: had one of the best rookie seasons this year quietly 241 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: as a tackle. So it goes to show you everybody's 242 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: a little bit unique. So arm length, you know, for 243 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: some teams will come into play. Neo is a mammoth, 244 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: and he's not a mammoth in the way Beckton was. 245 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: Everybody knew with Beckton that as great as he was 246 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: size wise and strength wise, conditioning was always going to 247 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: be key for him coming into the NFL, and it's 248 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: still something they are dealing with over there. That's not 249 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: gonna be a question mark. With Evan Neil, he carries 250 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: weight much differently. It's just it's so athletic, so trim 251 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: at that size, so explosive at that size, So you 252 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: don't worry about anything with him with the combine, I 253 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: think more with the Kuanu and Cross, it's how are 254 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: they going to measure up in terms of length and 255 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: mass and how they carry it at Quantum's lower body 256 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: power is off the charts, and when you watch the 257 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: you know at PFF we a big stat that we 258 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: rely on an offensive lineman that we do value is 259 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: impact run blocking, and a QUANTU is in like of 260 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 1: his run blocks or impact run blocks. That's basically means 261 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: he's putting someone in the dirt and making things happen. 262 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: And there's times with the QUANTU it's two guys in 263 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: the dirt. So I think that's for me, is why 264 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 1: he's my top offensive tackle. I don't think you can 265 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: put enough value on what he does in the run game, 266 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: and he's not a traffic cone and pass protection, so 267 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: when you're adequate and pass protection and you are a 268 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to get insane, but when you have, 269 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: you know, look at Trent Williams, right, who's the marquee 270 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: example he takes over in the run game. If you 271 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,599 Speaker 1: can get a Quantum to be seventy of that in 272 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: the future, that's an elite level player and there are 273 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: so many signs of him doing that. With Neil, his 274 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: balance isn't there as a run blocker yet, but he 275 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 1: is lights out and pass pro, and the size and 276 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: strength profile tell you that he will translate as a 277 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: run blocker long term. Has play left tackle, right tackle, 278 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: and guard. Everybody loves that. Cross is an interesting one 279 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: because he is so fluid and so smooth and pass 280 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: pro that he can almost love you to sleep with 281 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: how smooth he is coming out of that offense. People 282 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: want to see how he will translate to a more 283 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: power running style blocker, and it depends where it goes. 284 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: He might not go to a situation that he's on 285 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: the move all the time, and that doesn't matter, but 286 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: that is why he's the third guy. Usually, where a 287 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: Quantum and Neil, you'll find a fifty fifty split from evaluators. 288 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: I do lean a quantu but it's very close and 289 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: You mentioned this with the offensive line, and I think 290 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: it's the case for the edge rushers two before we 291 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: move on from those two groups, I think this is 292 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: a pretty deep class, especially with the edge group you 293 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: can find you know, that next group to me is 294 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: very tight, right. A lot of it is a flavor thing, 295 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: you know, if you want a big guy, you want 296 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: to Jeff Carl loftis you know, Dabo Jabo? Is that 297 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: a guy you want to roll the dice on. But 298 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: then you get to the end, A bar rais the 299 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: Jermaine Johnson's the boy a math Pase. I mean, these 300 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: are guys that are all to go in the same 301 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: range and they can probably be a starter for you 302 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: down the road. Old and you mentioned the offensive tackles. 303 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: The Giant should have an opportunity to pick off one 304 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: of those spots that maybe they don't fill a five 305 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: and seven with their second round pick, and even maybe 306 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: at the top of the third round. Yeah, I think so. 307 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: I think when you look at it, you know we're 308 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: gonna have a wild amount of first round pass rushers. 309 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: It's gonna be Hutchinson, it's gonna be Thibodeaux, it's gonna 310 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: be car Loftis and Jermaine Johnson in the top fifteen, 311 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: which would shock a lot of people if you said 312 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: that's in them a month or two ago. They're just 313 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: such high floor players because their ability to set a 314 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: hard edge against the run and show power and a 315 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: little bit of a varied game as overall rushers. A 316 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: Jabo could go on the top fifth team because he's 317 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: the opposite there is no run defense. They knew they 318 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: had to take him off the field against the run 319 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: against Georgia, but when you let him stand up in 320 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: his ears back and go, that explosive nature as a 321 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: speed rusher is as good as it gets in this class. 322 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: And I really need that. There is a projection with 323 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: the Jabo, who has, you know, an interesting background. Him 324 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: and car Loftis not American born players, so they haven't 325 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: been playing football since they were five years old. Like 326 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: a lot of these guys, they were still projection there 327 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: for them to get so much better. They will all 328 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: go in the first round. Like you said, boy A Mafe, 329 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: probably they're at thirty six and probably can do a 330 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: lot of good things for you instantly, uh right away 331 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: as a rookie. In terms of just a pure rusher. 332 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: When you look at that third round, you have a 333 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: guy like Nick Bonto from Oklahoma, pure stand up speed rusher. 334 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: But it's fifteen and a half sacks the last two years, 335 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: and there's a variety of ways he's winning. He's crossing face, 336 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: he's countering inside, he's winning on the outside as well. 337 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: So what is Wink Martindale looking for. That's what I 338 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: love about traps like this, John, is that you learned 339 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: so much about a new staff. We know Wink needs 340 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: his corners playing man on the outside and they are 341 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: going to bring the house. But we know how much 342 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: he loves athleticism as these guys that can stand up. 343 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: You look at Jason Away last year when he was 344 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: coming to the trap they took him. He didn't have 345 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: like a sack as last year Penn Stadi goes to 346 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: the Ravens, he looks great. So they will put a 347 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: premium on athleticism for these edge rushers more so than 348 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: they ever have in recent years. Well, that is a 349 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: great transition because you mentioned Wink Martindale loves his corners, 350 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: and there are two corners that are long and play 351 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: press and have shown they can do it in college 352 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: against you know, high competition and that source gardner In 353 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: and Derek Stingley. I think there's gonna be a lot 354 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: of divergence on who's the top guy in a lot 355 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: of these boards, and heck, maybe someone else might speak 356 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: in there for for some evaluators too. But boy, you 357 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: watch Stingley as a freshman. I went back and watched 358 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: him a couple of days ago. I mean, you cannot 359 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: separate from that dude. His hips are unbelievable the way 360 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: he can he can flip in transition. Then you have 361 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: Sauce Garden, who's just you know, a big, physical along 362 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: guy that just didn't give up a lot of production 363 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: this year. How do you view those guys? How do 364 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: you think evaluators view those guys? You know how much 365 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: constinctly kind of get that where have you been the 366 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: last two years? Thing office shoulders a little bit as 367 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: we head to the combine. Yeah, it's a great conversation 368 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: because everybody's fascinated by this. I think it's it's actually 369 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: a little more simple to break down than I initially 370 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: even expected. I think with Stingley, you are shooting for 371 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: the stars and going for ceiling. You're hoping that he 372 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: is Stefon Gilmore of the future. That that length, that 373 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: recovery speed, Uh, the mentality he loves playing man coverage. 374 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: That's you know, he doesn't want to sit in and 375 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: cover three. He wants to line up, you know, a 376 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: foot away from you and get his hands in your 377 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: chest and play the football when it comes his way. 378 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: Coaches love that. That. That's you could put a premium 379 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: on players like that. But like you said, we haven't 380 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: seen a full sample of size that you know of 381 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: that since two thousand nineteen. Obviously two thousand and twenties, 382 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: still out there doing it. This year he gets hurt 383 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: and which haven't seen or heard from the guy. That 384 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: program went downhill and he kind of went downhill with it, right, 385 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: it's the Titanic sunk. He didn't, you know, rise above it. 386 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: So there's a lot to unpack there with Stingley. He's 387 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: a great athlete, he's got great ball skills. He can 388 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: play press man all day. But do you need that 389 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: green light? Is that green light gonna come back on? 390 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: Is he gonna be the elite player we all thought 391 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: he'd be After two thousand nineteen, he would have been 392 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: a top three pick. Now we don't know if he's 393 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: going in the top ten, then you look at Sauce, 394 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: it's everything is the opposite. It's all floor, not really 395 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: seeling that there's a better sample size of film with Sauce. 396 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: He was so good in two thousand twenty that this 397 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: year quarterbacks were like, we're not We're not throwing your way. 398 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: We'll try the other side of the field against Kobe 399 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: Bryant was gonna be a day to pick who was 400 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: really good player in his own right and Sauce barely 401 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: saw the football. But Sauce is the same way where 402 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: he's so physical, impressed man coverage. What is that recovery speed. 403 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: It's not gonna be the same as Stingleys. I don't 404 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: think the ball skills will be the same as Stingley's. 405 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: But honestly, I love corners that you don't know they 406 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: played a game. I like when they don't get you know, 407 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: you don't ever hear their name called because quarterbacks don't 408 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: look on that side of the field. That can be 409 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner. I think a lot of people saw that 410 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: in J. C. Horn before he got hurt. He did 411 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: live up to that hype. Can Sauce do that as well? 412 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: His testing is gonna be huge because I think when 413 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: we come out of the combine, Stingley is gonna be 414 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: an elite tester, assuming he's fo go on. You know, 415 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: some of these guys away for the pro day, and 416 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna have maybe not questions about Sauce might be like, 417 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: oh do we bet on the ceiling here? Somebody will 418 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: bet on stingley ceiling. I think Sauce gets drafted before 419 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: him though, and Stingley was a foot injury corrective and 420 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: not mistaken. We'll see how we've covered from that. Drake London, 421 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: another guy will keep an eye on with that foot injury. 422 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: Both those guys you think top ten picks connor will 423 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: they go there? And do they have the value of 424 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: being true top ten picks? I don't think so. I 425 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: think you're looking at you know where they won't make 426 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: it of the Vikings and the Ravens at twelve and fourteen. 427 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: So top fifteen not a lock of top ten because 428 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: we have the variable of the three offensive linemen, we 429 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: have the two pass rushers that are gonna go there, 430 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: we have Kyle Hamilton's gonna go there, and then the 431 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: huge wild card of whatever the heck this quarterback class 432 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: brings upon us, so they're not locks there um, but 433 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: they are definitely gonna grade out is probably both top 434 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: ten players in this class. What's your instinct do you 435 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: think a quarterback goes top ten? I do. I never 436 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: bet against it, and I don't know have one in 437 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: the Yeah, it's pretty easy bet. I don't know if 438 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: I will have one in the first round of this 439 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: entire draft. In terms of grades at four last year, 440 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: they were greatest first round quarterbacks. But I think Kenny 441 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: pick John. I just think Henny Pickett's floor. Teams love 442 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: that floor with quarterbacks, and he's an older guy. Uh. 443 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: Some teams will be very scared about the zero percentile 444 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: hand size. People laugh when I say that, but I 445 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: mean zero percentiles a k A. Nobody is playing the 446 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: position in the league with that hand size is very fascinating. 447 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: So I think there's just somebody that if it's not 448 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: the Panthers, if it's not a draft in Stash, I 449 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: don't think the Falcons will it or the bron You know, 450 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: the Broncos to look for a veteran h somebody might 451 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: come up to get their quarterback. Mac Crown Malik Willison 452 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: in that conversation as well, more for upside rather than 453 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: floor with Kenny Pickett. How about this wide receiver class? 454 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: You know, this to me is your ultimate flavor of 455 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: ice cream. Deal, right, Garret Wilson gonna do a little 456 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: bit everything. I mean, you watch Jamis and Williams. He's 457 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: the most explosive player on the field every game he 458 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: plays in and it's not close. It's not like anyone's 459 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: near him. He's he's He's just a bullet with the 460 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: way he plays. Drake London's like the Mike Evans big 461 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: receiver type. You know, how do you break down this 462 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: wide receiver class? How many you think will go early? 463 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: And are we just in the world now, Connor where 464 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: every year so many teams are running out three, four 465 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: wide receivers that you're gonna find a good player in 466 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: the second the third round. Yeah, we are. We're in 467 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: that world and six will still go in the first round. 468 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: That's how incredible it is. So you're you're gonna have 469 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: you know, I like trailing Burke's the best, but I 470 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: agree with you that it's a flavor situation. I think 471 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: there's a situation that Garrett Wilson comes in he's a 472 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: clone of Calvin Ridley in my eyes, and goes for 473 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: eighty in a thousand out of the gate because he 474 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: knows how to separate, he knows how to track, and 475 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: he's got juice after the catch when you could do 476 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: every every you know, three phases of the catch, right before, during, 477 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: and after, when you check all those boxes, you're gonna translate. 478 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: I don't care if you run a four five, which 479 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna run in the four fives. You're 480 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: gonna separate because you're so well coached, you're so well 481 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,719 Speaker 1: prepared that the right offenses are gonna find a way 482 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: to get the football your way. Traylan Burke's more in 483 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: that mold of I'm bigger and stronger and faster than you. 484 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: Throw the ball my way, I'm gonna get it. Or 485 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: can you manufacture touches for me to create after the catch? 486 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: And then Drake London just because it doesn't look great 487 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: as a separator, right, it's not twitchy, it's not smoothie 488 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: six ft five, it's not gonna look the same as 489 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: everyone else. He's the best above the rim receiver in 490 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: the entire draft. So those three are locked they're locked 491 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: in the first round. We know that Chris Alave because 492 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: of his floor, he's gonna go in the first round. 493 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: Johan Dotson I think from Penn State. I think he 494 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: could be this year's Elijah More where he's an undersized guy. 495 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: He'll run in the four threes. Uh. He's got good tracking, concentration, 496 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: can catch everything, but that size will have some teams 497 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: questioning him. He'll be borderline first round, maybe early second round. 498 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: And then you have somebody like Sky More from Western 499 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: Michigan who's MR. Explosive plays. I mean, pff, we have 500 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: them at thirty one Explosive plays. Those are plays with 501 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: about twenty yards or more. So I don't care that 502 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: it was at Western Michigan. If you can create those 503 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: kind of plays in college football, you're gonna do it 504 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: at the next level. So you have him David bell 505 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: Moore of a possession guy. It's a loaded wide receiver 506 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: class once again because of you know, everything going on 507 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: at seven on seven in football. These guys want to 508 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: play wide receiver. They're getting the reps at wide receiver, 509 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: and the way offenses have exploded, they are getting the 510 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: production as well, and it helps that a lot of 511 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: them are going to test really well at some point. 512 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: Are these guys gonna realize that if you go play 513 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: cornerback you might actually have a better shot because it 514 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: just already hasn't many of them out there? I think so. 515 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the counter argument to that is, 516 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: as we're seeing in the playoffs, the rules dictates so 517 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: much against you as a corner. But if more, I mean, 518 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: if you're an average corner and you get to free agency, 519 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: you get double digit annual average million dollars a year, 520 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: You're getting ten plus million dollars a year guaranteed the 521 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: first two years of the deal. So I do think 522 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: there will be some kind of mentality that guys will realize. Okay, 523 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: I'm in such a small percentile of athletes that can 524 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: play corner even if my ball skills are average, I 525 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: can be a guy at the next level, So maybe 526 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: it will swing the other way in the next half decade. 527 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: Final position, I want to touch on with you before 528 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: we talk about combine in general off ball linebackers. You know, 529 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: I think what wing Martindale is looking for there is interesting. 530 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: You look back, Patrick Queen was kind of that undersized 531 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: speed guy, and you know, you see you know Nikobe 532 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: Dean out there, and you're like, boy, that that kind 533 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: of looks like the same type of guy you've got 534 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd. You know, how do you see this linebacker 535 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: group and what type of linebacker do you think wing 536 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: Martindale will want to fit into his system? Yeah? I 537 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: think that sideline of sideline speed is what matters the most. Now, 538 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: the Giants aren't gonna use the top ten at the position, 539 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: so you probably rule out Devon Lloyd. I have a 540 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: weird theory with Nakobe Deane that a lot of people 541 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: don't agree with. When he comes in around six ft 542 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: two twenty pounds, I don't think he's this lock for 543 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: the top twenty that everybody freaks out about if you 544 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: don't have him in the top twenty. And I love 545 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: the player. I think he's a top fifteen. Some teams 546 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: might see him as a safety connor. I mean, we 547 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: have this league now where you have strong safeties living 548 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: in the box and they can kick out to the slot. 549 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: They could play too high. So I think Dean is 550 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: more in that to forty range than people realize. I mean, 551 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: look at a USA Cormo last year. The business going 552 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: in the second round. He's one of the best rookies 553 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: this year on the defensive side of the ball. So 554 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: at thirty six, if in the Kobe Dean is there, 555 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: you just take him. You don't even think twice about him. 556 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: You just take him. But this class is deeper than that. 557 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: You have Chad Muma from Wyoming who can run sideline 558 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: to cydeline and take on head on contact a little 559 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: better than some of those guys. You know. You have 560 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: Channing Tindal, who didn't get as much burn at Georgia, 561 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: but when he did his last season about sixty pounds. 562 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: That speed is off the chart. So I think if 563 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: you're looking for the value guy, I would lean towards 564 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: Channing Tindal, the linebacker from Georgia, Dean's teammate, just because 565 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: that athleticism projects so well to wink scheme. You talked 566 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: to teams, you talked to agents, what players do you 567 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: expect to really Maybe surprises the wrong word, but you 568 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: think those surprised if you want to just really impress 569 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: and help their stock when we get through all the 570 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: testing at the Combine next week. I think Traylon Brooks 571 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 1: is a lot more athletic than people realize. I don't 572 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: really understand this, Like I've seen comparisons to an kuom 573 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: Bolden and you know players like Burkes to me, is 574 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: gonna be six ft two, He's gonna be between two 575 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 1: and two thirty. Uh, he's a weight room machine. And 576 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna run a four four. How about 577 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: a J. Brown? How about that? It's really really similar, 578 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: really similar guys. So Burks is that kind of guy. 579 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: And I've seen some d K comps, which is DK 580 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: is weird. That's a tough one to ever compare someone too. 581 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: But a J. Brown that's really on the money comparison. 582 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: When you look at him, I think he's gonna run 583 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: really well. And assuming London doesn't run, Garrett Wilson's gonna 584 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,719 Speaker 1: run a four five. You know, a Love might run well, 585 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: but he's not in the same size profile, not even 586 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: close same with Dotson, So you don't you don't count 587 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: that the same Jamison's out, who would have absolutely lit 588 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: up the track. He would have run sub for three. 589 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: That to me screams that Burkes can kind of own 590 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: the wide receiver group because of that size profile, the 591 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: rare hands, it's got eleven and chance. It's like entile 592 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: hands and it try slights of tape. He catches everything, 593 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: he runs really well. So that's one guy that on 594 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. I just think it's 595 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: gonna explode. I think when you look at maybe a 596 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: Jerome Ford, the running back from Cincinnati, the transferred from Alabama, 597 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: he's really one of the only home run threats in 598 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: the backfield. And this class, it's a class of power. 599 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: You have Kenneth Walker, you have Isaiah Spiller. You know, 600 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: Kyrien Williams is an undersized guy, but he's more of 601 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: a contact balance, short area guy. Jerome Ford can hit 602 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: the home run. So I don't really value the forty 603 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:27,959 Speaker 1: the way I used to at the running back position. 604 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: But if you want a home run hitter, you do 605 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: value the forty and Jerome Ford should run really well 606 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: in that. So I think those guys people don't look 607 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: at them as this elite athlete profile or these burner types, 608 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: and I think they're going to do really well for themselves. 609 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: Who are the guys that you have to worry about 610 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: a little bit that you know there might be some concerns, 611 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: Guys that might not test so well their games be 612 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: is better than their test speed who are some of 613 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: those guys that you're gonna try to keep an eye 614 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,719 Speaker 1: on next week. I don't think Shrey McBride runs very well, 615 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, and it doesn't matter to me. 616 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: He's my top tight end. I think he's a top 617 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: fifty pick, no brainer. He blocks, he catches, he gets, 618 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: He doesn't even have to get open to catch the ball. 619 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: I just don't think he's a straight line kind of speezer. 620 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: And I don't even know how great the short area is. 621 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: So when you project the top tight end and then 622 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: he goes out and runs and you know the bottom 623 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: twenty percentile, you kind of look at and goes, how 624 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: are we taking this guy in the top fifty. Well, 625 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: he turned on the tape. You understand that when you 626 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: block and when you chip and release, there's gonna be 627 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 1: space for you in the middle of the field. He 628 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: catches everything at the catchpoints. I don't worry about it, 629 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 1: but I do think there will be a thought process 630 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: with maybe McBride, maybe Rutger, maybe a lot of the 631 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: tight end class because they are such a rounded group. 632 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: They love playing in line, they love blocking, they love 633 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: throwing their weight around that maybe carrying that kind of 634 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: weight and dedicating so much of that time. They're not 635 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: going to be the Gasecki types of the world that 636 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: they don't block their big slot receivers. And you know 637 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: that might hurt you at the combine in the eyes 638 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: of a lot of people, but coaching staffs will not 639 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: care about that. No, they won't. And you're right, I 640 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: didn't see that great separation from Tray McBride and mobile 641 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 1: to senior ball. But he has such good feel, right 642 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: he kind of just find those open He saw that 643 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: in the red zone drills. All they'll do. They the 644 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: indoor practice um at the facility of Southern Alabama, and 645 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: I think he just had a real good feel for that, 646 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: you know, for finding the holes in the zone. And 647 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: I think general, this tight end glass, I think you 648 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: hit it. You know, maybe you'll have one or two 649 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: second round picks, but I think if you you can 650 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: find a low end NFL staughter in this class in 651 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: round four and feel pretty good about that, guy's gonna 652 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: block a little bit, catch the ball when it's thrown 653 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: to him, not be a star, but be a real 654 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: solid player at that position for a long time easily, 655 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: And you can get whatever you need. I mean, you 656 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: look at so many of these schemes that require guys 657 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: to block, and then you look at so many of 658 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,239 Speaker 1: these schemes they don't care. They'll play you as an 659 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: H the whole time off the line of scrimmage. I mean, 660 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: you have McBride, Rutger Bellinger, and Jake Ferguson. They can 661 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: they can do whatever you need. They're gonna live on 662 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage if you want them to. But 663 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: then you have Charlie Kohler from Iowa State. You have 664 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: Greg Dulcitch from u C l A. You have Isaiah 665 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,479 Speaker 1: Likely from Coastal Carolina, Grant Calcatara from SMU. They can 666 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: play that H role. You can move them around the 667 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: formation almost even if you want to use them as 668 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: an H back in the back field. They can be 669 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: used as move blockers because they are big bodied players, 670 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: but they are not going to line up against the 671 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: defensive end and hold the point of attack. So I 672 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: like that. There's a little bit of everything. And these 673 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: guys are all seniors. I mean, besides Widemeyer, these guys 674 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: all stayed as seniors, so the production is there. They 675 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: have a boatload of run blocking snaps from high end programs. 676 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,239 Speaker 1: They're gonna come in and you can rely on them 677 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: as a legitimate tight end too. From the very first 678 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: week of practice we talked about the top of the class. 679 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: Let's rap by going over the bottom of the class 680 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: very quickly here. You know, last year when we had 681 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: the pandemic, you have a lot of super seniors, a 682 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: lot of guys stayed in school actual year of eligibility. 683 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: We all thought this would be a very deep class. 684 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: You look at the player pool, it's I think two 685 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: or three hundred more players and usually have in in 686 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: any given year. Do you sense that this year, well 687 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: maybe in other year's talent, my drop off around pick 688 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,239 Speaker 1: one hundred, that maybe this is going a little bit 689 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: deeper now hundred thirty hundred, forty guys as opposed to 690 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: a normal year. It absolutely is. I mean, just look 691 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: at the lack of the combine invites that didn't and 692 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: I think that's where you start that conversation for me. 693 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: You know, two wide receivers from Shrine, Jamon Highly from 694 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: coastal Carolina Jared Stearns from Western Kentucky. Insane production for 695 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: them over the last couple of years. Good route runners 696 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: they catch everything. They didn't even get invited the Combine. John, 697 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: I mean, that tells you there are eight million wide 698 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: receivers in this draft alone. There you know, a guy 699 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: like Diego Fago, you know that he didn't the linebacker 700 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: from Navy, he didn't get a Combine invite. So there 701 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: are so many guys that didn't get Combine invites that 702 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: are legitimate draftable players, and that in my time of 703 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: doing this, that's just not very common. You, the Combine 704 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: is a very good resource for the league is telling you, 705 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: whether you love the guy, whether you don't like the guy, 706 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: the league is telling you probably what's going to happen. 707 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: That usually means that player that didn't get the Combine 708 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: invite is projected as a seventh round or a priority 709 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: free agent or just an undrafted camp body. And I 710 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: think the fact that this class has guys that I 711 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: looked at as you know, premium All Star invite, Shrine 712 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: game just to step below Senior Bowl, uh and a 713 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: little bit beyond that, that to me, he says that 714 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna get to the sixth round and we're gonna go, 715 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: oh wow. There there's a lot of talent on the 716 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: board that you know, you and I look at town 717 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: a little differently than fans. It might be a special teamer, 718 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: it might be a second string player, but that that 719 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: is really good for the sixth or seventh round. Oh absolutely. 720 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: And you mentioned a couple of guys right there before 721 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: we wrapped, any small school guy that maybe people don't 722 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: know about, that you think might put up some crazy 723 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: numbers here, and my people might be looking like, wow, 724 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: all right, maybe we really need to move him up 725 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: our boards a little bit. I mean, the people that 726 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: did not watch the corners very closely at the Senior 727 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: Bowl are gonna be wowed by Joshua Williams from Fayetteville State. Right, 728 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: and I believe last year we did not have an 729 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: HBCU player drafted. That the trend is. That trend's gone 730 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: this year. Forget it. That trend will not continue. Joshua 731 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: Williams from Fayettville State. He is tall, he is long, 732 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: he is fast, he's explosive, he's physical. I loved everything 733 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: I saw, whether it's the tape, then it carried over 734 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl, and then you wonder, okay, well 735 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: that's all great. On the actual field, how is it 736 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: going to look at the testing compared to these high 737 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: profile D one athlete, he's not gonna look out of 738 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: place because he's gonna measure in really well. He already 739 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: has measured in really well. I think he's gonna run 740 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: really well at that size. So when you're looking small 741 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: school player, I would start with Joshua Williams from Fayetteville 742 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: who can work his way into a round maybe even 743 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: three or four corner, which is a remarkable rise for 744 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: somebody that wasn't even in Division one football. Absolutely kind 745 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: of tell the folks with you can find all your 746 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: great work as we approached the draft. Sure at Connor J. 747 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: Rogers on Twitter, everything through Bleacher Report, all our video series, 748 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: and at PFF NFL Stock Exchange. We're rolling three times 749 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: a week Monday, Tuesdays and Thursday. So it's it's been 750 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. John, Thanks so much. This is great, 751 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: no problem. Are you are you on that show? What 752 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: Trevor is it? Did you guys do? Yeah, we we've 753 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: had Trevor's take him on our show before. He's great, 754 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: So guys make sure you go check that out. Connor. 755 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: Awesome stuff man. Good to catchump in the ill. See 756 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: you down at the combine absolutely well. I can't wait. 757 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: Connor Rogers, thanks for joining us on the John Subtle Podcast. 758 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Everybody,