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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Zaren Elizabeth that much.

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Speaker 3: How you do good good Listen. You know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh yes, I do.

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Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Kentucky, not the states, not the state. Yeah, I'm just

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Speaker 2: telling you. Just let me, let me finish, Elizabeth. The

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Speaker 2: state of Kentucky. They have a rule, a law actually,

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Speaker 2: that it is illegal for a woman to remarry the

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Speaker 2: same man four times.

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Speaker 3: Four times.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they can do it three times. After that, there's

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Speaker 2: like states like I'm going to intervene. Clearly, there's nothing

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Speaker 2: about a man being able to marry a woman four times.

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Speaker 2: Just women can't mean a man four times, wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: It if it's the same person. Yeah, I mean well.

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Speaker 2: No, But I mean why the law doesn't say anything

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Speaker 2: about they talked about.

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Speaker 3: The bride, Yeah, yeah, to marry each other four times.

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Speaker 2: It should say that, but it talks about the bride cannot.

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Speaker 3: Marry the man is a human turtle.

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Speaker 2: That's a good question. I know that you love the

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Speaker 2: teenage the mutants and the ninja turtles. So if you

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Speaker 2: were to marry one of them in Kentucky, a Kentucky

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Speaker 2: mutant ninja t possible, But who knows. So that that's

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Speaker 2: what I got for you.

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Speaker 3: That is ridiculous. I know, I just thought I was like,

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Speaker 3: very ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I was just thinking, like the state, you'd intervene in

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Speaker 2: Kentucky more often, but not about wedding. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of things when people make a mistake three times, they're like, okay,

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Speaker 2: we're taking that right away from you. No, but in Kentucky,

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Speaker 2: like how.

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Speaker 3: Many let them do it as many times as they want? Honestly, yes,

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Speaker 3: marry everybody seventeen times? You I don't care, who cares?

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Speaker 3: It's ridiculous. Do you want to know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Her for it?

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Speaker 3: Collecting All the Crimes and the Ridiculous Crime playbook What

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Speaker 3: This Is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous

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Speaker 3: caper's heis and cons It's always ninety nine percent murder

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Speaker 3: free and one hundred percent ridiculous. You damn right, Thanks

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Speaker 3: for coming back.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I had took me a second.

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Speaker 3: This guy, I mean this guy, the guy that I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna tell you about. Okay, No, he's sort of a

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Speaker 3: ridiculous crime fever dream.

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Speaker 2: Really.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. He was called America's most fascinating outlaw huh. And

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Speaker 3: it's like I'm making him up, but I'm not. He

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Speaker 3: has elements of all of our favorite crimers. And all

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Speaker 3: I want to say is that I'm not pro crime

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Speaker 3: and pro good character. I love a good character, and

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Speaker 3: this guy he is the character of characters. He's Capo didutikapi?

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Speaker 2: Really yeah, boss of all bosses. Have we talked about

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Speaker 2: him before now, never referenced him, never crossed our paths.

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Speaker 3: I may have said that before, that he's the crimer

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Speaker 3: of all crimers, that kind of thing someone else have

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Speaker 4: That or not.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't remember what I say. It's

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Speaker 3: not like we can go back and find out what

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Speaker 3: I said anyway. This guy, though, this guy. A journalist

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Speaker 3: wrote that he quote had a vast firsthand criminal erudition,

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Speaker 3: which he commercialized as a dramatist on Broadway and a

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Speaker 3: screenwriter in Hollywood. At various times during his life, he

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Speaker 3: had been a minor confidence man, ballad singer, medical lecturer,

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Speaker 3: man of letters, general utility man, and a segregated district

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Speaker 3: card sharp hotel man, songwriter, dealer in imitation masterpieces of art,

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Speaker 3: prize fighters, prize fight manager, Florida promoter, and Roulette wheel fixer.

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Speaker 3: He was an idol of low society and a pet

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Speaker 3: of high He knew women, as his brother Addison said,

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Speaker 3: from the best homes and houses. All of this was

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Speaker 2: Oh so this is Bruce Willie us return of Bruno.

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Speaker 2: That's what you're talking about, right, I mean everything.

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Speaker 3: You this is like the most criminal of mashups.

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Speaker 2: You found a criminal mashup.

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Speaker 3: Let me give you a bit of history for please.

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Speaker 3: You know that I'll take every opportunity to insert some

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Speaker 3: California content whenever I can.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean you have to talk to you about that.

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Speaker 3: It's the red hot chili peppers of it all. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: let's start in Banisia, California.

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Speaker 2: Oh, the former capital of the state exactly.

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Speaker 3: In the late eighteen hundreds. It was capital for just

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Speaker 3: over a year, it wasn't It's a charming little place

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Speaker 3: in the Bay Area. It's called the jewel of Solano County.

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Speaker 3: And yes, I consider Solano County part of the Bay Area.

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Speaker 2: Generous that way you are you know how far it stretches.

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Speaker 3: I know, well, yeah, so, but Banisia it's on the bay.

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Speaker 3: Well it's on is not on the bay proper.

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Speaker 2: But it's on a bay that's related to right.

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Speaker 3: So Bansia. It's sort of a way station between em

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Speaker 3: Francis Go in the Gold Country at that period of time,

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Speaker 3: totally and Robert Semple. He was the founder of Benetia.

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Speaker 3: He was also California's first newspaperman, the second dentist, and

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Speaker 2: Do you think he had any relation to any I don't.

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Speaker 3: Know, and quite frankly, I don't care.

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Speaker 2: I just think the name so Raren, Yeah it is.

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Speaker 3: So let's say he is. They say they're born sister.

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Speaker 3: So big age difference. So this guy, though he's a

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Speaker 3: running things. So he calls for his cousin, Lancing Bond

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Speaker 3: Meisner made no Lancing Bond Meisner And I'm still holding

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Speaker 3: the phone here, Bob bab Bee, Lancing, come on, it's

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Speaker 3: cool out here. So Lancing comes out by boat with

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Speaker 3: To be exact, she's just pow pow shooting him out.

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Speaker 3: Lancing was one of California's first lawyers. Fun fact, And

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Speaker 3: on May nineteenth, eighteen seventy six, Lancing and his wife

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Speaker 3: had a boy, Wilson Meisner. All right, Wilson Meisner. So

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Speaker 3: Lancing became a big deal just like his cousin. Soon

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Speaker 3: he was named US Ambassador for Central American countries. So like,

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Speaker 3: that's just the whole grad bag.

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Speaker 2: Take them all, the ones that aren't British.

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Speaker 3: Yeah and off the family moved to Guatemala in eighteen

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Speaker 2: Because the ones that are British never mind.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Wilson and his siblings loved it. They loved Guatemala.

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Speaker 3: They loved the Spanish colonial architecture, they loved the culture,

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Speaker 3: the food, the people. And one of the Meisner boys, Addison,

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Speaker 3: Wilson's brother, said that arriving there was quote the greatest

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Speaker 3: The boys loved chocolate. Diplomatic immunity.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, it's also out there in the list. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So once they found out that they were essentially above

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Speaker 2: That it's good for them. I would do that.

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Speaker 3: They stole goods, they robbed churches.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would rob school buses. What the heck they did?

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Speaker 3: Is they please? What do they care for? Wilson? So

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Speaker 3: for Wilson Meisner, this was a formative time. That thrill

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Speaker 3: It became part of him.

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Speaker 2: Being above the law as a teen. You would never

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Speaker 3: Totally. And so Addison and Wilson, they're like thick as thieves. Literally,

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Speaker 3: Addison said, Wilson was quote my chief weakness and dreaded menace.

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Speaker 3: He's just pulling him into all this nastiness. And Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Wilson was a bigin' He was like six ' four

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Speaker 2: Slender waists, real strong thighs.

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Speaker 3: And like a few of the con artists that we've

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Speaker 3: He was really had an incredible wit. Here are some

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Speaker 3: choice bond mots of his. Be nice to people on

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Speaker 2: That's his. Yeah, you hear that all the time in Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: That's like you think that they invented it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, most hard boiled people are half baked. That's another

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well I like that. I'm using that one.

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Speaker 3: When Wilson was seventeen, he moved out on his own

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Speaker 2: Feet, charismatically, who's talker, yeah, an operator yeah, and he.

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Speaker 3: And so Wilson showed up and showed out. So there's like, okay,

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Speaker 3: show me what you got. How would you how would

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Speaker 2: That sounds sounds amazing.

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Speaker 3: But the job didn't last particularly long because he wanted more.

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Speaker 2: Because he went somewhere with Spanish speakers.

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Speaker 3: Wilson wanted more. Eighteen ninety seven, he goes to Skagway, Alaska.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we've heard about Skagway. They have gateway to the.

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Speaker 3: The Great White Norse. Yeah. He met a singer and

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Speaker 2: Her name is Reno Fargar, Rena far Reina. She's not

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Speaker 3: Just one arena, Fargo.

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Speaker 2: You imagine being named after two subpar towns.

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Speaker 3: That'd be amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm sorry, but they're not. Like no one's like, hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna name my kid Reno. I mean they do,

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Speaker 2: I know, but in Fargo it happens.

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Speaker 3: I but know.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, it's not like up there with like Brooklyn.

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Speaker 3: Is combably spell Fargo now like fa r G a U.

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Speaker 3: So Rina Fargo no offense to all the Fargos with

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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying it's subpart city.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying own it, say it own it. Wilson,

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Speaker 3: Rena and three of Wilson's brothers, they went from Skagway

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Speaker 3: to the Klondike. So they went in and the gold rush.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's where the gold is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So but they didn't become prospectors.

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Speaker 2: Good that.

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Speaker 3: They went for something far more lucrative than pulling gold

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Speaker 3: out of the ground. They conned miners and they ran

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Speaker 3: fixed gambling.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's even better than selling shovels.

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Speaker 3: Totally. So Rena, she'd pretend to be a stranger at

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Speaker 3: Wilson's card table and she'd saunter up and ask to play, like,

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Speaker 3: what is this game? This looks cool?

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Speaker 2: Is this Farah?

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Speaker 3: Nine times out of ten she won, So she's just

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Speaker 3: like rolling them. Wilson met Sid Grauman Dawson City, Alaska

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Speaker 3: theater that Sid Growman of Hollywood's Grauman's Theater. Grauman was

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Speaker 3: So like Wilson, he made a lot of friends up

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Speaker 3: So he's six four and he's wearing He's just larger

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Speaker 3: To try it, see how that works out. Wilson moved

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so he got tired of all the cold antics.

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Speaker 2: Where was his daddy?

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Speaker 3: The king, the King of Nome at Balto, and so

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Speaker 3: So in San Francisco he picked up his professional gambling career.

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Speaker 3: I'm just not gonna say anything. Okay, let's get our

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Speaker 3: in February nineteen oh six, quote, he did something for

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Speaker 3: tiring of architecture, he took to witticisms. The Meisner's take

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Speaker 3: You're working. I'm just going to be the master of witticism.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what do you do. I'm funny for a living, right, that.

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Speaker 3: Sounds good and always quick to body shame. The Examiner

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Speaker 2: They have like the best insult of the week in

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Speaker 3: Something psychologically going on at the San Francisco Examiner in

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's an examination that was missing.

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Speaker 3: They're like, he's fat, but it'll fight, Okay, what does

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Speaker 3: Wilson was broke. Oh, it's hard to be a dilettante

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Speaker 3: Luckily tailoring, Yeah, he met a very rich forty eight

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Speaker 3: Then to the industrialist Charles Tyson, yerkis a man she

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Speaker 3: He divorced his first light wife, married Mary, and the

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Speaker 3: That's exactly. So they moved to New York. He built

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Speaker 3: You are San Francisco resident Emil Bougier, playwright and composer

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Speaker 2: Oh nice.

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Speaker 3: You are in New York for what you keep telling

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Speaker 2: I do nothing.

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Speaker 3: You and Eastland live it up like wild boys wherever

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Speaker 2: I'm busy doing an impression of a liquor bottle.

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00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 3: Well, for now, New York. Yes, you had a hit

435
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 3: with Baroness Fiddlesticks two years ago, or that's what you

436
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 3: tell people. And you are riding on that. Another person

437
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 3: in New York, your old buddy from back home, Wilson Meisner. Oh, Billy,

438
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 3: he's been shacked up with a multi millionairess whose husband

439
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 3: has conveniently just passed away, like about a month ago.

440
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,679
Speaker 3: They live in this swell pad on Fifth Avenue, and

441
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 3: that's where you and Eastland are headed right now. Wilson

442
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 3: told you to come over for something special. Knowing him

443
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 3: that could mean just about anything. You approach the grand

444
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 3: entrance to the mansion and you rap on the door.

445
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 3: It creaks open, and an old butler stands before you.

446
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,479
Speaker 3: He steps aside and gestures for you to enter. You

447
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 3: and east and across the grand marble foyer, and look up.

448
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 3: That's the rich lady right there, Mary Yerkies. She's standing

449
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 3: at a marble balcony on the second floor, overlooking the entryway.

450
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 3: She dramatically spins and disappears from sight. Wilson said that

451
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 3: she was a bit of a lush and a partier.

452
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 3: This should be interesting. You follow the tinkling sound of

453
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 3: a piano and continue through to a lush drawing room.

454
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 3: Everything is tufted and velvet and lacquered and rich. Standing

455
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 3: in the center of the room is a man you

456
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 3: don't know. He clears his throat and introduces himself, Reverend

457
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 3: Giles of Saint Andrew's Methodist Episcopal Church. Nice to meet you,

458
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 3: you tell him, Man, how freaky is this going to

459
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 3: get you? Wonder? Suddenly Wilson appears next to the reverend.

460
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 3: What's this all about, Wilson, you ask. Just then the

461
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 3: pianist begins hammering out the bridle march. You turn and

462
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 3: see Mary enter in a lush gown holding a posey

463
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 3: of delicate flowers. No way. Wilson adjusts his tie, and

464
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 3: within minutes your wife, well, buddy is married to a

465
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 3: woman worth seven point five million dollars. That's two hundred

466
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 3: and fifty million dollars today. The butler appears and pops

467
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 3: the champagne court. You are in for one hell of

468
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 3: a party.

469
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 4: Oh damn.

470
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 3: The next day, the happy couple tells you not to

471
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: breathe a word of this to anyone. They will both

472
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 3: deny that this ever happened. Of course, on your way

473
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 3: out the door, you and Eastland are met by throngs

474
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 3: of reporters in the bright morning light. Reporters shout questions.

475
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 3: The butler tells him that he's never heard of any

476
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 3: Wilson Meisner. You put your hat over the side of

477
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 3: your face and hurry away. Eastland stops and makes a statement, quote,

478
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 3: certainly they are married. I was one of the witnesses.

479
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 3: Mister Meisner makes no bones of it. He will be

480
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 3: at the aster at six o'clock and he'll tell the

481
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 3: newspapers all about it. He's spilled the beans. You look up,

482
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 3: see Wilson in the window, laughing hysterically. You roll your

483
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 3: eyes and head off to your hotel. So here's the

484
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 3: headline about their nuptials in the New York Sun from

485
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 3: February first, nineteen oh six. Funeral me Eats served wedding

486
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 3: feast for widow. So she's just like turn it and around, missus.

487
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 3: Charles T. Yerkies Mary's in next month after death of

488
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 3: her husband, wedding in the Yerkes House. She nearing fifty,

489
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 3: he about thirty. Wilson Meisner, the new husband, was with

490
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,479
Speaker 3: her just before Yerkies died. Interesting career of the San

491
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: Francisco Man that's the headline. Yeah. Addison couldn't make it

492
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 3: to the ceremony, but he went to visit his brother

493
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 3: later and asked Wilson why he did it. You know,

494
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: why did you marry her?

495
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: Is he kind of slow?

496
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 3: Well, no, Wilson replied, quote, the service is good here.

497
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 3: Then he rang for his valet, a former bouncer from

498
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 3: the Barbary Coast. The valet shows up with two shots

499
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 3: of whiskey, one for Addison, one for the valet, and

500
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: a syringe of morphine for Wilson.

501
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 2: What.

502
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, there got to get loose? Yeah? Whoa Oh. Charles

503
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 3: Yerki's late husband of Wilson's bride, Mary Adelaide. He loved

504
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 3: fine art and he loved collecting it. He had pieces

505
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 3: by Van go and Rembrandt, other masters, Heroin. Yeah. When

506
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 3: he died, he left all the art to the City

507
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 3: of New York. The city government warned Wilson that he

508
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 3: would be held responsible for any paintings that went missing.

509
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 3: They're like, we know, we got our eye on you, pal.

510
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 3: He wasn't going to let that incredible money get away, though,

511
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 3: so he started a business, the Old Master's Art Society,

512
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 3: located on Fifth Avenue. He hired a group of starving artists.

513
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 3: Then he created his own factory workshop and got the

514
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 3: artist cracking on copying the Masterpieces collection. Yeah, so he

515
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 3: started letting it be known that quote a bargain and

516
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 3: genuine old masters was available to anyone who didn't mind

517
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 3: owning something which nitpickers might classify as stolen property. So

518
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 3: he puts that out there, and he said he never

519
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 3: claimed that the pieces were authentic, but he wanted his

520
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 3: customers to have the sense that they were like getting

521
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 3: away with something. So he sold paintings. He sold several

522
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 3: copies of the Mona Lisa. Yes, it's amazing, so people

523
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 3: think they have it in their living room. Other crooks

524
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 3: started getting in on the racket, and Wilson was livid,

525
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 3: so he had he had to price the last supper

526
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 3: at sixty five dollars.

527
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: How dare you rip off these suckers? These are my

528
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: suckers to rip off.

529
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 3: He commented about the price cut he had to do

530
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 3: for the last supper, quote, I'll be damned if I

531
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 3: sell it for less than five dollars a plate. He's

532
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 3: so good. So people started reaching out to Mary to

533
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: let her know that her husband was a con man

534
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 3: on the Last Supper exactly, and that not only was

535
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 3: he a con man, but his career went back like

536
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: pretty much most of his thirty years, so she hired

537
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: detectives to track him. Wilson was totally aware of this

538
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 3: and even griped publicly about it, quote, It's a damned

539
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 3: unpleasant experience to be stopped by two pinkertons when you're

540
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 3: walking out of your own house with a lard can

541
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: full of jewels. Don't bother me while I'm stealing. Their

542
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 3: love could not withstand their own weird, crooked ways. They

543
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: divorced after a year of marriage nineteen oh seven. I know,

544
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 3: I thought those crazy kids.

545
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: I thought they could make it. Anyone could find love,

546
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: it would be them.

547
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, those two. So Wilson. Though he stayed in New York,

548
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: he founded informal clubs like the Correspondent School of Drinking.

549
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 2: You can like send in a letter, I'm drunk, but guys,

550
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: I've been drinking all days since.

551
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 3: Six slogan of it was learned to sir Rosa's your

552
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 3: liver in six easy lessons.

553
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 5: The ball.

554
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 3: He also had the forty second Street Country Club and

555
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 3: the Athletics at the forty second Street Country Club were

556
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 3: stealing a shotglass or a wallet from one of the

557
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: club's nine holes, and those were just other establishments uptown.

558
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: So like you would go through you'd played nine holes,

559
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: steal a shot glass or a wallet at each place

560
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 3: that you went to. Okay, I liked it, and then

561
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 3: return back to the forty second Street Country Club. Look

562
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: at your loot.

563
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

564
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 3: In nineteen oh nine, Wilson got a gig as a

565
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 3: writer on Broadway musicals.

566
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so his bau mos really did. Yeah, I know,

567
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 2: he's he's funny.

568
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 3: He and George Bronson. Howard wrote a play called The

569
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 3: Only Law and this was like a really hard boiled tale.

570
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: It was about a broker who kept a chorus girl

571
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 3: as a mistress and the mistress in turn kept a

572
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 3: jigglow and Wilson and Bronson, though they didn't get along.

573
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: Tales oldest times.

574
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, they parted ways. A year later, Wilson met Paul Armstrong,

575
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: a playwright who specialized in stories about the criminal underworld.

576
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: His work was full of tough guys who like chattered

577
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 3: and slang, rough exteriors.

578
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,239
Speaker 2: But hearts of gold run.

579
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 4: Yes.

580
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 3: Yes, he was very successful writer and he was well regarded.

581
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: Wilson and Armstrong wrote a number of plays together, Won

582
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: The Deep Purple, The Ocean Greyhound, and Alias Jimmy Valentine.

583
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 3: Like that, you know these are we should do a revival,

584
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: We should do a reading, have an episode. They made

585
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: good cash. These two, they're criminals.

586
00:29:59,040 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: They'd understand.

587
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: But just like with George Bronson Howard, there were clashes.

588
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 3: Armstrong thought Wilson was lazy, which like probably Wilson thought

589
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 3: Armstrong plagiarized too much, and after hearing a eulogy at

590
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: Armstrong's funeral, Wilson said, quote, if Paul was up and about,

591
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: he'd say that speech was his. So let's take a break.

592
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll find out what adventure Wilson

593
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 3: Meisner cooked up next.

594
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: I like how you cut people down like a lumberjack.

595
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Hi, Hello, Hi, Do I know I know?

596
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 3: You know Wilson Meisner, Yes, common man about town. In

597
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 3: addition to art, forgery, gambling, drinking, some of my favorite things,

598
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: woman on, various Yukon crime hobbies, stealing from churches, basically

599
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: it's you. He was also known to get into fisticuffs

600
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 3: and was generally successful in the punching arts, making handsome

601
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: little pow POWs. He started working as a promoter and

602
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 3: manager for boxers. He's like, I know this world. I

603
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: can punch in the face. Yeah, punch guys. And of

604
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 3: course he fixed those fights nice. Yeah, so those are

605
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 3: the best fights, the fixed ones that they work. You

606
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: know how they're going to hit, they're broken, they're fixed.

607
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you read the last page of a book.

608
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 3: Uh. Spoiler alert. One of Wilson's boxers was middleweight champion

609
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 3: of the World Stanley Ketchel, Michigan Assassin.

610
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: There you go, there it is.

611
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 3: Ketchell was set to fight a boxer named Billy Papke,

612
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: who was a future world middleweight champ. In the weeks

613
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: before the fight, Wilson went up to Papke, Hey, buddy,

614
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 3: actually probably I'm guessing he laid it out like, oh,

615
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: we're both sitting here like, oh hey, yeah, I know you.

616
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: He's like, man, imagine I'm managing that Ketchel guy, the assassin.

617
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 3: He is ruining himself with drinking women. I don't know

618
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: what I'm gonna do. I can't I can't motivate him.

619
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: You know, he's just lounging about, boozing it up, skipping

620
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 3: out on training. He's out with bodacious babes all the time,

621
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: like sucks man, Like, be good to your manager because

622
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 3: my dude walks away. So Wilson his parting thing. He's like,

623
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: bub you're wasting your time training so hard just to

624
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: fight this mess of a man.

625
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: Wait, he said, bub No.

626
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: I said, I do call people.

627
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: That sound was wondering. I was like, wow, I said,

628
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: sounds like you.

629
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: I was paraphrasing.

630
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: Okay.

631
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 3: So on the evening of the match, Ketchel emerges into

632
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 3: the ring. Everyone's expecting him to just be like you know, Chubby,

633
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 3: the examiner would have gone nuts on him. Is what

634
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: we're expecting, is the exhammers like this tubbleguts came out there,

635
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 3: no like a lipstick, like a hickey on his neck

636
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: and like a little drunk.

637
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: No paper stuck to his shoe.

638
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 3: He's in perfect condition. He's in adonnis listening. Papki, on

639
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: the other hand, had put on non muscle weight. Okay,

640
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: he was physically motion wise, very sloppy. The match became

641
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 3: known as the cat and Mouse fight because Ketchell just

642
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 3: like toyed with Papki throughout the match knocked him out

643
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 3: in the eleventh round, but kind of just kept him,

644
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: just exhausted him, and he was all winded. He's a

645
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: hold on a second, I thought you were going to

646
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 3: be horrible.

647
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: Was more difficult than I wanted it to be.

648
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 3: So later Wilson caught Ketchel in bed okay smoking opium.

649
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 3: Wow between a blonde and a brunette. Oh yeah. So

650
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: Wilson was like, someone asks him, what did you do?

651
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you found him like that? What did

652
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: you do? Wilson says, what the hell could I do?

653
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: I said, move over? So the guy, he's like for

654
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: each of them charisma and it got him far in

655
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: the in the nineteen twenties.

656
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: Why did he come into this guy's bedroom like I'm

657
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: still kind of hot.

658
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: He's like, Ketchall, come on, you gotta practice for a fight.

659
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 3: Come on, kicks open the doors. Oh hello, sco it over.

660
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 3: In the twenties, there was a property boom in Florida.

661
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 3: I told you a little bit about this in the

662
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 3: Real McCoy episode. So they were building highways down there

663
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: and developing outland for people to live in, like glamorous

664
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 3: Art deco, tropic aligy. Wilson and Addison they could not

665
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 3: resist getting a piece of this. So first they opened

666
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 3: an antiquing factory. They would take furniture and they would

667
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: treat it to make it look old and antique. And

668
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 3: Wilson gave tours of the factory to his friends. So

669
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 3: like all the people from the East coast, West coast

670
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 3: would come down to see this Florida stuff. He's like,

671
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 3: you got to see my factory. Then he'd hand them

672
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 3: air rifles and tell him to go to town on the

673
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 3: brand new furniture. And he would say, quote, don't shoot

674
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 3: straight at it. Remember a worm always charges at a

675
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: piece of furniture from an angle. So he wants it

676
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: to look, you know, those like old pieces. In nineteen

677
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 3: twenty six, Addison got going on a huge real estate

678
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 3: development and he appointed Wilson treasurer. What was that development?

679
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: Miami South Beach, Boca Ratan.

680
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 3: Oh and Palm Beach, Florida. Those are developed out pretty

681
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 3: much because of Addison. Mais so Addison and Wilson they

682
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 3: shared that love for Spanish colonial architecture. Remember I told

683
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 3: you were you listening, yes?

684
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: Right?

685
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 3: Of course over here they laid that out in full

686
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: force in Palm Beach County.

687
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 2: And it's still there.

688
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 3: It's still there.

689
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 2: It took hold.

690
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why we have mar A Lago. Addison was

691
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 3: just as much a character as his brother. He also

692
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 3: came fully loaded with quips and like clever, often fictional anecdotes.

693
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 3: He made up most of his bio for who I mean,

694
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 3: come on, who knows who cares?

695
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: Bill said the same thing we all do.

696
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 3: I mean, my name's not really Elizabeth. Yeah, he told

697
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 3: people that he was a confirmed bachelor, but it was

698
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: generally known that he was gay. Everyone pretty much knew it.

699
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: In fact, he was called quote the gay father of

700
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 3: South Florida architecture.

701
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: And they didn't mean that like the happy No, they.

702
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 3: Met like gay homosexual. But we owe much of what

703
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 3: we know and see in South Florida to Addison Meisner.

704
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: His Florida what it is pretty much.

705
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, his vision was grand, perhaps two grand. He wasn't

706
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 3: good with logistics or planning, and he riffed it in

707
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 3: his designs. But he also riffed it in his finances.

708
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 3: He had Wilson at the helm of the finances. Don't

709
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: forget he's treasurer. Why and so it's like me, like

710
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 3: I kind of always ballpark in my head. That's in

711
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: my bank account, you know. Margin of er Wilson. He

712
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 3: was telling the salespeople to name drop famous folks that

713
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 3: were future residents. We're going to be future residents, or

714
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 3: that were investors. But the board of directors was impressive.

715
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: Irving Berlin, William kiss Him, Vanderbilt the.

716
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: Second so one of the Vanderbilts.

717
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 3: Sure, that's what I'm guessing. Elizabeth Arden, Wow, Jesse Livermore,

718
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 3: Clarence h. Geist No, who knows, t Coleman, DuPont chairman.

719
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 3: He was the chairman. So the cash flow just wasn't

720
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 3: there for the project though, and the board wasn't happy

721
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 3: that their names were getting tied to everything in advertising

722
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 3: sales pitches, the plant well and the DuPont's like to Leila.

723
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 2: If you have real money, you do exactly.

724
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 3: The plans were too much, and the Meisner brothers were

725
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: living it up on the money that did come in.

726
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 3: In nineteen twenty seven, the Meisner Development Corporation and Addison

727
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 3: himself declared bankruptcy. Everyone took severe losses and the land

728
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 3: boom collapsed like and.

729
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: He brought down the lane yeah wow.

730
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 3: And Wilson, though had already skipped down for Hollywood he's like, peace,

731
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 3: I can't do this out. And he wasn't just someone

732
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 3: who got off the bus and wandered around in Hollywood.

733
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: I mean he's Wilson Meisner.

734
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

735
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 3: So he landed a job writing screenplays for Warner Brothers.

736
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 3: Of course, right, producer Darrel's what's cries?

737
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: He even become a producer.

738
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he hired Wilson as the top screenplay writer

739
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 3: for First National Films.

740
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: Of course Sanic would like him.

741
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, Wilson worked on Little Caesar and twenty thousand years

742
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 3: in Sing Sing aw. Wilson wasn't He wasn't one to

743
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 3: be bossed around though, as you can guess, neither was

744
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 3: studio head Jack Warner. Oh yes, yeah, they butted heads

745
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 3: on the regular.

746
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,959
Speaker 2: That's all the Jack Warner liked to do is butt heads.

747
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Wilson was supposed to mail a finished script

748
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: to Warner, and when it arrived, Warner tore open the

749
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 3: carefully wrapped package and it was a New York City

750
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 3: phone book. It's like keep waiting pow. Wilson described his

751
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: years in Hollywood as quote, a trip through a sewer

752
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 3: in a glass bottom boat.

753
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 2: Wow, that's about right. I mean I would use that line.

754
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. One day Wilson was cutting up with

755
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 3: producer Herbert Somborne. He told Somborne, quote, if you know

756
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 3: anything about food, you can sell it out of a hat.

757
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: And they hatched a plan selling food out of hat.

758
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: Right, So they called Jack Warner, and Warner had warmed

759
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 3: to Wilson at this point because like, how could you not,

760
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 3: So they asked, Jack, you want to invest in a restaurant?

761
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: Do you own a hat?

762
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: They call They got in touch with Somborne's ex wife,

763
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 3: Gloria Swanson. Oh wow, you in You want in on

764
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 3: this for sure? Wilson contacts his old friend Sid Grauman. Okay,

765
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 3: let's do a restaurant. In February nineteen twenty six, the

766
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 3: Brown Derby Restaurant opened at thirty four twenty seven Wilshire Boulevard.

767
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 3: What the brown Derby? It was shaped like a federal

768
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 3: brown Derby, a giant hat. Yeah, and so they were

769
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 3: indeed selling food out of that. So there was all

770
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: sorts of whims that coming. I thought, as I'm dropping

771
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 3: the clues, I was like, he's going to figure this out.

772
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: There was all that whimsical architecture at the time, and

773
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 3: La was like the epicenter.

774
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we got a giant orange. We got to

775
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 2: com eat out of the big donut donuts.

776
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 3: So Meisner's Brown Derby was where the Shirley Temple drink

777
00:39:59,320 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 3: was invented.

778
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: Huh.

779
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 3: The Cobb Salad came from there as well. Because the

780
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 3: restaurant was made into a small local chain. There wound

781
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: up being a couple of them, and the owner of

782
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 3: the other locations was a man named Robert Cobb, and

783
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 3: he was a cowboy from Montana. He invented the Cobb

784
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 3: salad when he threw together a bunch of random ingredients

785
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 3: to make a quick meal for his friends and they're like,

786
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 3: this is amazing. The hard bowled eggs, the ham Are

787
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 3: you kidding?

788
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: I love this. We should call this after you. What's

789
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 2: your first name? Don't worry about but my last name

790
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: is better. If you were to invent a salad, would

791
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: you sorry, I'm not going to limit it to salad.

792
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 2: If you were to invent a food dish, what food

793
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: dish would you want to be known as the dutton?

794
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: Da da da?

795
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I don't know.

796
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: I'd want the Burnett jello. Something easier to make, very

797
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 2: simple ingredients you know.

798
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: I tend to make I make layered bowls of everything,

799
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 3: like in different stripes of like this is a Mexican bowl,

800
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 3: this is.

801
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: A tie bowl. The Dutton Bowl, I don't know.

802
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 3: That sounds like maybe you know something for college football or.

803
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: Something in Arizona or that too. Yeah, there's a big

804
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: rock down They're called the Dutton Deadpole.

805
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 3: I'll have to think on that. So brown Derby, yes,

806
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: places packed with celebrities all the time. They made a

807
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 3: shortbread and caviar wedding cake for harpomarx ooh shortbread.

808
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 2: I love all of that shortbread, caviar and harpo.

809
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: Brown Derby was where Clark Gable proposed to Carol Lombardy. Yes,

810
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: Wilson sat at Booth fifty every day. He told actress

811
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: Anita Looce that he wanted to open the Derby because

812
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 3: he wanted quote a place where a man of his

813
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 3: inertia could loaf in comfort like Yeah. Wilson, like Addison, though,

814
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 3: had a heart condition. In early nineteen thirty three, Addison

815
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: passed away in Florida at the age of sixty, and

816
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: then not two months later, Wilson took ill. He was

817
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: told he didn't have long. His response quote, what no

818
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: two weeks notice? Like on his deathbed. So, while on

819
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 3: his deathbed on April third, nineteen thirty three, Wilson said, quote,

820
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 3: bring me a priest, a minister, and a rabbi. I

821
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 3: want to hedge my bets.

822
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: I love it, I love it.

823
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 3: Before he died, he briefly came out of a coma

824
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 3: and found a priest standing over him. Wilson said to

825
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 3: the priest, quote, why should I talk to you? I've

826
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 3: just been talking to your boss like constant. You can't

827
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 3: stop this guy. Anita Luce was with Wilson at his deathbed.

828
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 3: She didn't want him to see her cry, so she

829
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 3: got up to leave, and he shouted out her quote,

830
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: wait a minute, don't runt out on your boy like this,

831
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 3: and won't be long now before the main event.

832
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: Like he didn't No.

833
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 3: His last words were quote, I don't expect too much.

834
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 3: You can't be a rascal for forty years. And then

835
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 3: cop a plea at the last minute. God keeps better

836
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 3: books than that. You know who he is exactly.

837
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: He's like, look, I'm probably going to do a couple

838
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 2: of years in limbo, maybe preparatory. Any hell who knows,

839
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: but ironed it.

840
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 3: He left his estate with the exception of two dollars

841
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 3: in cash to a former film actress named Florence Atkinson,

842
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 3: and the estate was where about ten thousand dollars, which

843
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 3: is like two hundred and thirty five thousand dollars today.

844
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 3: The two dollars went to his two nieces, Alice Meisner

845
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: of Saint Louis and Isabelle Chase of Pebble Beach, California.

846
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 3: Atkinson said she'd known Meisner for fifteen years and he

847
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 3: was quote the best and dearest friend I ever had

848
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: in my life. She wasn't the one of the deathbed though, anyway.

849
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 3: Interesting The tributes to Wilson poured in from all over

850
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 3: the country. A friend is quoted as saying, of Wilson's death,

851
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 3: the whole world must have stopped laughing like it just

852
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 3: this guy was the life of everything. Two musicals have

853
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 3: been written about Wilson.

854
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 2: And Holliston Wondering Yeah.

855
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 3: Irving Berlin wrote one that was never completed okay, and

856
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 3: it had a song about Wilson called the Black Sheep

857
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 3: has Come Back to the Fold. Probably. Stephen Sondeim wrote

858
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 3: a musical originally called Bounce then wise Guys, then Gold

859
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 3: with an exclamation point, all exclamation points, no, just Gold,

860
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 3: and finally titled road Show. It opened His Bounce in

861
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: two thousand and three at the Goodman Theater in Chicago,

862
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 3: and then it was heavily reworked and played off Broadway

863
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 3: in two thousand and eight. It was not a faithful

864
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 3: portrayal of the brothers, but that kind of seems fitting,

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Speaker 3: right that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, also, I mean, all you gotta do is

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Speaker 2: give them some good lines. It seems like some actors

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Speaker 2: are charismatic, and you're halfway there.

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Speaker 3: It didn't do well, though, at all. But them's the

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Speaker 3: brains bloom exact, so sports columnist Walter Trumbull. He wrote

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Speaker 3: of Wilson upon his death, quote humor that was reckless, bitter, brutal.

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Speaker 3: From the exterior, a cutting diamond was by comparison, as

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Speaker 3: soft as cranstick. Yet behind that seemingly impregnable armor was

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Speaker 3: a streak of sentiment he would cynically deny. If you

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Speaker 3: don't believe it, you never looked at the grim but

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00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 3: tender picture one way passage. You would not have expected

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Speaker 3: him to write that. But nobody really knew Wilson Meisner

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Speaker 3: not even himself. That's quite the right there himself. What's

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Speaker 3: your ridiculous takeaway?

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Speaker 2: There's a lot in this one. Okay, I'll go with

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00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: the lesson that Grauman learned early on with the newspaper

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Speaker 2: from him and Meisner bought his product, convinced him as

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Speaker 2: a kid to hold his product for an hour, then

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00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 2: went out drained it of all value, and then the

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00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 2: kid can't sell his papers. Then he comes back to

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Speaker 2: him and it gives them half of his profits. I

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Speaker 2: think that there's a lot of lessons in that, one

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00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: as a criminal, but two as a human being. Is

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Speaker 2: the interesting point, which is that you know, and I

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Speaker 2: wish that studio executives will be paying attention to this.

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Speaker 2: People love stories and they will pay a lot for stories. Yeah,

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00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: he also a newspaper journalists. People love stories. They will

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Speaker 2: pay a lot for stories exactly.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 2: They didn't do it because someone said yes to his stories.

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Speaker 2: Because someone wrote the story, someone investigated the stories, someone

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00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: created the story. So pay those people because an audience

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00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: is waiting. It has been forever, ye, So yeah, I

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Speaker 2: think that stories will continue to be the coin of

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Speaker 2: the realm in human natures always. I just hope that

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Speaker 2: that coin of the realm is a little more generously

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00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: spread around, not the stories, but the coin that pays

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Speaker 2: the piper to play their game exactly, speak exactly, my

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Speaker 2: ridiculous takeaway. His story is preeminent and will be eternal.

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Speaker 3: I agree one hundred percent. And my ridiculous takeaway, thank

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Speaker 3: you for asking.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't going to.

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Speaker 3: Is the same thing about that Grauman interaction. It tells

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00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 3: so much about Meisner. That one, he's such a good

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00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: investigator of human behaviors and he has this criminal mind

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00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 3: where he's always looking for the ways to slip through

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00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 3: and get one over sees the value. But he's a

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Speaker 3: good guy because he pays the kid. You know, he

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Speaker 3: didn't have to split the money with the kids east

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Speaker 3: there was And it's funny, the whole the whole premise

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Speaker 3: itself is funny. So this wit that he had just

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Speaker 3: imbued everything. So he's doing these little petty crimes here

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Speaker 3: and there. But he's so captivating and the way that

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Speaker 3: he completely sees the world, completely sees people, it's fascinating

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Speaker 3: to me.

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Speaker 2: He may not I know himself, but he knows us exactly.

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Speaker 3: Good point. Wait to tie it up there, Hey.

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Speaker 2: I'm here for you, but I'm not asking you anything.

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