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Speaker 3: Today we're talking about a word that's been around for centuries,
Speaker 3: is used by toddlers, twinks, and even sex workers.
Speaker 1: It can be the source of issues or some extra
Speaker 1: zeros in your bank account.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: Today we're talking about Daddy's Gabe.
Speaker 2: Do you remember the first time you hooked up with
Speaker 2: the Daddy.
Speaker 1: The first time I did hook up with the Daddy,
Speaker 1: it was via craigslist, okay, And I was back home
Speaker 1: from summer break and I decided to hook up with
Speaker 1: this guy and went over to his house. And you
Speaker 1: know how usually when you meet an older queer man,
Speaker 1: they want to teach you about history.
Speaker 2: They're like, yes, there's always at.
Speaker 1: Peter's in Fire Island in the seventies, right, Like that's
Speaker 1: so fully expecting that, fully expecting that, ready for that
Speaker 1: love that get to his house. This man is like
Speaker 1: the official historian for the Kennedy family, Like has portraits
Speaker 1: of dead members of the Kennedy family all over his home.
Speaker 1: On the way to his bedroom, walked me down a
Speaker 1: hallway with photos of the Kennedy stopped at each one,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is Robert Kennedy, this is
Speaker 1: this is John F.
Speaker 2: Kennedy. And I was like, cool, are they joining us?
Speaker 1: Was happening here? It was really unsettling. A huge horse
Speaker 1: cock stuck on it a little bit. Didn't really know
Speaker 1: what I was getting into. I was like eighteen, and
Speaker 1: I was like, thank you so much for the tour
Speaker 1: of the Kennedy Museum. I can't fit your dick in
Speaker 1: my mouth, and I'm not really looking to get fuck tonight.
Speaker 1: So maybe let's grab some water and chat. Chris, how
Speaker 1: about you? What's your what's your daddy story?
Speaker 2: I cannot top that.
Speaker 3: I have always had an affinity for older men and
Speaker 3: that has not stopped as I've gotten older.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love a daddy. They're sure of themselves, they're
Speaker 2: aware and like that to me is like so sexy.
Speaker 2: I hook up with a lot of daddies. You're the
Speaker 2: daddy whisperer.
Speaker 1: One could say, you know, we should be interviewing you
Speaker 1: for this episode, our guests.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Well, today's episode is all about daddies.
Speaker 3: Back in the day, older men were often called trolls
Speaker 3: by younger gay men. Things have shifted in recent years, right,
Speaker 3: Daddies are having a moment. So in today's episode, we're
Speaker 3: going to dive into the rise of the daddy and
Speaker 3: hopefully teach you how to cruise for them in the wild.
Speaker 3: We've en listened the help of renowned daddy Judson Morrow,
Speaker 3: who co hosts one of our favorite podcast, Dads and
Speaker 3: Daddy's with Brian Rubin Sauers. Together, Brian a literal dad
Speaker 3: of two and just and chat about their life as
Speaker 3: hot father figures, sharing personal stories from parenthood, daddy hood, love, marriage, addiction, recovery,
Speaker 3: and so much more.
Speaker 1: Please welcome to Stuffy's Cruising Confessions. Judson Morrow, How you doing?
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, what a pleasure to be on this side
Speaker 2: of the mic than you ever having are so, Judson,
Speaker 2: I'm very excited to have you here.
Speaker 1: Before we dive deep into daddydom, I was hoping you
Speaker 1: could tell me a little bit about the Dads and
Speaker 1: Daddy's podcast.
Speaker 5: The Dad's and Daddy's Podcast is the product of a
Speaker 5: neighborhood friendship. I met Brian Rubin Sauers at a Hanaka
Speaker 5: party a couple of years ago, and we kept running
Speaker 5: into each other, and one evening this man shows up
Speaker 5: with a seventeen slide power point about why I should
Speaker 5: be his podcast co host. Brian is a literal dad.
Speaker 5: He has two children. He is in an open gay marriage.
Speaker 5: I am also in an open gay marriage, although I
Speaker 5: don't have children.
Speaker 2: So he's the dad.
Speaker 5: I'm the sexual and spiritual daddy, and we talk about
Speaker 5: everything that it means to be an adult gay man
Speaker 5: in the modern world. Cruising Breakups, hookups, sex party etiquette,
Speaker 5: and then we have tons of guests coming on healers,
Speaker 5: sex workers, authors, scientists. So I have to ask, how
Speaker 5: would you define a daddy. I'm going to make it oppositional.
Speaker 5: What a daddy is not. A dom top with a
Speaker 5: salt and pepper beard with a one point seven to
Speaker 5: one shoulder to waist ratio does not a daddy make
Speaker 5: There is overlap, absolutely, but the piece that's missing is
Speaker 5: that daddy is the service role that makes it age agnostic,
Speaker 5: position agnostic, fem mask agnostic, esthetic agnostic, and it's really
Speaker 5: just the person who provides coaching, guidance, mentorship and a
Speaker 5: space to learn. Not everyone knows what they want, and
Speaker 5: even when they find that out, they don't know how
Speaker 5: to ask for that, so that daddy creates that space
Speaker 5: for their sons.
Speaker 2: I love this definition.
Speaker 1: For so long I've been operating on like the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court porn definition of daddydom.
Speaker 2: I've been like, I know a daddy when I see it, right.
Speaker 1: But thinking of it again as age agnostic and gender
Speaker 1: agnostic is something that makes it so much more expansive
Speaker 1: and so much more fun. Right, think of it as
Speaker 1: a service role rather than a literal father figure, and
Speaker 1: I get right. For some people, that's sort of the
Speaker 1: turn on, this sort of classic father figure in that
Speaker 1: service role.
Speaker 5: I'm a daddy son switch yeah, in the same way
Speaker 5: that I think verse guys are great tops because they
Speaker 5: know what it feels like to bottom. I learned so
Speaker 5: much by being a good son to other daddies. And
Speaker 5: I have a daddy who is twenty three years old.
Speaker 5: He is twenty years younger than me, and he just
Speaker 5: has it. He is caring, he's compassionate, he creates space.
Speaker 5: It's incredible.
Speaker 1: When did this interest in becoming a daddy or sort
Speaker 1: of learning more about daddy's begin.
Speaker 2: I have always been into older men.
Speaker 5: When I was eighteen, I had a boyfriend who was
Speaker 5: thirty six years old, and yes, the sex was incredible,
Speaker 5: but also given how I grew up, he provided a
Speaker 5: lot of like love, comfort and space for me to
Speaker 5: grow that I wasn't getting in my home life right.
Speaker 5: So for me, it's this sort of passing of the
Speaker 5: torch that, to be quite honest, the reason that I
Speaker 5: think about it so much is that it was actually
Speaker 5: sort of thrust upon me as I aged. Once people
Speaker 5: started to call me daddy without provocation. I just kind
Speaker 5: of owned it, and that's when I moved into a
Speaker 5: space where I was like, wait a minute, I've been
Speaker 5: doing this the whole time. It's the ownership piece that's
Speaker 5: been missing. So I would say I really stepped into
Speaker 5: it probably in my late thirties, where I was also
Speaker 5: in that sort of sexual icon purgatory where you're like,
Speaker 5: am I an uncle?
Speaker 2: Am I an hodd? Or am I a daddy? I
Speaker 2: don't really know. So in the last like five years, it.
Speaker 1: Seems like the poles are like daddy and twi, and
Speaker 1: then what comes in between is like a mishmash or
Speaker 1: kind of salad.
Speaker 2: And I'm curious about the first time you were called daddy.
Speaker 5: The first daddy I ever got, I was on the
Speaker 5: L train and this Bushwick twink right across from me goes, okay, Daddy.
Speaker 1: That was the moment I was like, Okay, I've arrived.
Speaker 1: Did that lead to anything or was it just kind
Speaker 1: of an epiphany for you? Oh?
Speaker 2: We fought, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 3: I don't know if someone called me daddy. I mean,
Speaker 3: they do call me daddy, and I'm always like, I
Speaker 3: don't know if I qualify, mainly because you talked about coaching.
Speaker 2: It does require patients, Chris, and that is a thing
Speaker 2: I do not possess.
Speaker 3: And so when someone calls me daddy, it's oh no, no,
Speaker 3: please don't put that on me, because I don't want
Speaker 3: to take on that role.
Speaker 2: I think that's exactly it. That's a choice.
Speaker 5: The marker for daddyness is just claiming it. All you
Speaker 5: have to do is say I'm daddy.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be.
Speaker 5: Sexual in nature necessarily either, Like you could be the
Speaker 5: resume daddy, like I've had jobs. Let me help prove
Speaker 5: your Resumehtonic.
Speaker 1: Daddies in the traditional set not everyone's fucking their father
Speaker 1: if we're thinking about it in that way.
Speaker 3: I have definitely played daddy to a lot of younger
Speaker 3: artists and people who are like breaking into the industry.
Speaker 2: So you are daddy, yes, Boomer.
Speaker 1: But I was gonna say, now that you mentioned it,
Speaker 1: I think Chris might be my like backstage daddy. I
Speaker 1: am famous for putting things down and not remembering where
Speaker 1: they are, and Chris will just see me looking around
Speaker 1: and be like, babe, are you looking for this?
Speaker 2: And we'll pick up the exact thing I'm looking for. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So you you might be my dressing room daddy. Great, okay, great, yes,
Speaker 2: backstage daddy. I love daddies. See, you just have to
Speaker 2: own it, so Jenson.
Speaker 1: So we've been talking about it. Feels like daddies are
Speaker 1: are very much in the zeitgeist right now. Daddies are
Speaker 1: having a moment and identifying as a daddy can often
Speaker 1: make you more desirable to some younger gay men. But
Speaker 1: what was a common view of older men or daddies
Speaker 1: before now, right from the nineties and earlier. Do you
Speaker 1: think there's been kind of a culture shift between now
Speaker 1: and I think the shift has a lot to do.
Speaker 5: With the fact that in the eighties and nineties, older
Speaker 5: men were seen as the product unfortunately of HIV eight's.
Speaker 5: There was a much bigger question mark over their heads
Speaker 5: as to whether engaging with them was going to make
Speaker 5: you quote unquote and this is the terminology of the time,
Speaker 5: not today sick. Right with the advent of prep and
Speaker 5: the ability to have what I will call safe, condomless sex.
Speaker 5: But I think that stigma has largely gone away, which
Speaker 5: makes space for the sort of caretaking and compassion that
Speaker 5: younger men might seek from an older daddy.
Speaker 3: Also, I think that there is more daddies around today, right, Like,
Speaker 3: there's an entire generation of folks that just don't exist
Speaker 3: because of the AIDS pandemic. And I think now they're
Speaker 3: just more daddies around, which is lovely, right, And there
Speaker 3: will be.
Speaker 5: More daddies because there's just by numbers, there's more of
Speaker 5: us who have come out and are living comfortably. By numbers,
Speaker 5: there are more people who are living healthy, long lives.
Speaker 5: So the daddy generation, if we do want to age
Speaker 5: band it is going to be humongous. There is a
Speaker 5: lot of opportunity for sons out there if they're looking
Speaker 5: for an older man, Like we're here now.
Speaker 1: I see why jd Vance wants to get the birth
Speaker 1: rate up. We need more twinks to catch up to
Speaker 1: the number of daddies. It all makes sense.
Speaker 2: We're going to be fine. We're going to be fine.
Speaker 1: No, but that's a really good point, right, Like, the
Speaker 1: combined stigma of the hva's epidemic, along with the fact
Speaker 1: that you're getting generations of folks who are comfortable being
Speaker 1: out earlier, You're right, are kind of setting it up
Speaker 1: for peak daddy.
Speaker 2: We might be reaching the apex soon.
Speaker 5: There's a third part two and that is because younger
Speaker 5: people are coming out sooner and more comfortably. They actually
Speaker 5: have each other to experiment with sexually, so much a gift.
Speaker 2: So what a gift?
Speaker 5: Like when we were coming up in the eighties and nineties, like,
Speaker 5: we didn't have other teens to have a sexual awakening
Speaker 5: with the same way our heterosy actual at least at
Speaker 5: that time counterparts were able to write. It sometimes felt
Speaker 5: like the only option was an older man because that's
Speaker 5: who was out there. So I think a lot of
Speaker 5: people now will probably ultimately end up experimenting with their
Speaker 5: age group and then graduate, if you will, to daddy
Speaker 5: by choice as opposed to by force.
Speaker 2: Daddy by default.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've heard about the first time you were called daddy,
Speaker 1: but I want to know when you met your husband Bruce.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Bruce.
Speaker 1: Hello, hy Bruce, who buy all accounts is a very
Speaker 1: sexy daddy as well.
Speaker 2: How did you all meet? What's that story?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 5: I'm going to date the relationship by sharing that we
Speaker 5: met on manhunt dot net, the.
Speaker 1: Blue Screen Manhunt Dude's nude Adam for Adam.
Speaker 2: That was my college era.
Speaker 1: That's when I started meeting daddy's because I couldn't find
Speaker 1: anyone my age.
Speaker 2: Let's not get it twisted.
Speaker 5: I love Sniffy's, but there is a piece of my
Speaker 5: heart that breaks when I talk to someone who's twenty
Speaker 5: two and will never know the joys of buying extra credits.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, people to open an email and the
Speaker 5: content of the email is just okay.
Speaker 2: The indignity of having to pay to send a stranger
Speaker 2: your nudes like wild.
Speaker 5: So we met on manhunt dot net. I was sprung
Speaker 5: on this man from jump. He answered the door in
Speaker 5: crocs sweatpants when sweatpants were not cute. I'm talking like Haines,
Speaker 5: scrunchy at the bottom and a ripped T shirt. And
Speaker 5: I thought to myself, you thought I was going to
Speaker 5: be ugly.
Speaker 2: I showed him who.
Speaker 5: He was, Like, I thought it was just going to
Speaker 5: be a fling, Like I liked you, but you were
Speaker 5: like twenty seven and pretty messy. I was wildly alcoholic
Speaker 5: at the time, So did I see him as a daddy.
Speaker 5: There was definitely a part of his life that, at
Speaker 5: least as I perceived it, because he lived in Soho
Speaker 5: when I first met him, that just perceived stability. Well, yeah,
Speaker 5: I love that I'm like he was stable, Yeah, and
Speaker 5: at twenty seven, you're kind of looking for that.
Speaker 3: At least I was, right, I was looking for that
Speaker 3: stability because I was in an age GOP relationship when
Speaker 3: I was in my twenties and then got married at
Speaker 3: twenty six, and like there was like the stability that
Speaker 3: was like so attractive to me. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I give me more of that because my life is
Speaker 3: a fucking mess right now.
Speaker 1: That's something I'm so curious about too, right because it
Speaker 1: seems like Bruce meets you and he's like, all right,
Speaker 1: you were kind of a mess. You were much younger,
Speaker 1: which to me implies messy. Do you often see those
Speaker 1: reservations work the other way around, where like a younger
Speaker 1: person is entering relationship and they're like, oh, you're older,
Speaker 1: you want to have kids, and like get a house.
Speaker 1: I'm in my twenties, I gotta sew my wild oats.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think for younger people there is a huge
Speaker 5: opportunity cost. It's like, ooh, you're twenty years older than me,
Speaker 5: Like you've had all the opportunity and like maybe know
Speaker 5: exactly what you want and I don't necessarily want to
Speaker 5: like pigeonhole my desires or the outcome of my life
Speaker 5: toward your idea of success. I think the flip side
Speaker 5: of seeing younger people as a little messy is that
Speaker 5: the older gentleman in this scenario can be a little
Speaker 5: more set in his ways, especially if he's been independent
Speaker 5: for a long time, and it gets a little harder
Speaker 5: as the older person to incorporate someone new, especially someone
Speaker 5: young who's still on the path of self discovery.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I dated a younger person last year and I
Speaker 3: really was like struggling.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is wild.
Speaker 3: Is this what people have been doing with me for
Speaker 3: all these years? Like they just lived a completely different
Speaker 3: life than I did. I just was like, you are
Speaker 3: a wild individual, and I sn't know how you live
Speaker 3: your life.
Speaker 5: I think sometimes you can get into the daddy sun
Speaker 5: dynamic and your son is a little too stubborn.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, this actually is not a match.
Speaker 5: And it's not because I'm trying to necessarily like dominate
Speaker 5: or control, but like the willingness to be instructed, cared for,
Speaker 5: mentored is critical to this back and forth.
Speaker 2: And if you're gonna do what you're just gonna do,
Speaker 2: let me know that and we can move into that. No, right,
Speaker 2: we can.
Speaker 5: Easily switch and move into that, but we're we're cutting
Speaker 5: off access to the daddy dum.
Speaker 2: So we have talked a little bit.
Speaker 1: About some of the challenges, but I would like to
Speaker 1: talk about the fun parts of having sex. What do
Speaker 1: you think is hot about sex with daddy and what
Speaker 1: is it that makes them appealing to you specifically as well?
Speaker 5: They just know what they're doing, and that feels so
Speaker 5: good because I may I may not even know that
Speaker 5: I'm into something until I am introduced to it by
Speaker 5: like a really, really proficient practitioner, and then you're.
Speaker 2: Just like, okay, like this is absolutely a thing now.
Speaker 5: So that is I think the broad appeal for me specifically,
Speaker 5: it's different now than it was before when I was
Speaker 5: hooking up with daddies. Previously it was more of the
Speaker 5: sun roll and to be cared for. And now when
Speaker 5: I hook up with daddi's it's really a learning opportunity
Speaker 5: for me. Like I love to hear daddy talk tracks,
Speaker 5: I love to see how they move their body, I
Speaker 5: love how they manage the dom sub relationship. It's so
Speaker 5: much for me to become a better daddy to hook
Speaker 5: up with other daddies.
Speaker 1: There's just so much for me to learn. What's something
Speaker 1: that you've learned from your partner?
Speaker 2: Yeah, specifically sexually?
Speaker 1: Oh, specifically sexually, something you Bruce introduced you to, or
Speaker 1: something that you were like early on in dating, you
Speaker 1: were like.
Speaker 5: Oh, when Bruce and I met, I because I was
Speaker 5: smaller of stature and younger at the time, saw myself
Speaker 5: as a bottom. I think this is part of the
Speaker 5: journey for a lot of gay men, right, Yeah. And
Speaker 5: then when I'm at him, he is also a bottom,
Speaker 5: I would say ninety seven percent of the time, and
Speaker 5: it's like, well, what are we going to do?
Speaker 2: Just like rub our butts together, It's like the other
Speaker 2: end of the scissors.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, So I learned two things from him. I
Speaker 5: learned how to be a better top because I got
Speaker 5: so much practice with him. And I learned how to
Speaker 5: be a better bottom because he had so much more
Speaker 5: practice out of than me anything, right, like different positions,
Speaker 5: better ways to clean out. I've learned so much just
Speaker 5: about the basics. And I think that's a big reason
Speaker 5: that we're open too, because I still like to bottom,
Speaker 5: and again, we're not just going to rub our butts together.
Speaker 5: He wants me to experience the joy that he experiences
Speaker 5: as a bottom, and that requires other people outside of
Speaker 5: the relationship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there really is no greater experience than bottoming. I
Speaker 2: can't think of one.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I thought that was going to keep going,
Speaker 1: and you're just like, no, no, no, that's so that's
Speaker 1: actually the best experience you can have in life is bottoming.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean mazo realistics out there, speaking of of assumptions
Speaker 1: and sort of archetypes that might be incorrect that we've
Speaker 1: had thrust upon us. I think with a lot of
Speaker 1: the age gap discourse that we see online, especially today,
Speaker 1: there's this assumption that anyone older is automatically predatory if
Speaker 1: they're hooking up with younger people, which is obviously very
Speaker 1: broad generalization. That can happen, it doesn't always happen. So
Speaker 1: what are some healthy ways you see people navigating age
Speaker 1: gaps and some of the differences.
Speaker 2: That might come up from that in relationships.
Speaker 5: I think you have to enter age gap relationships in
Speaker 5: good faith. Let's not get it twisted. When I had
Speaker 5: the Internet and access to a car, I absolutely lied
Speaker 5: about my age right As a safety I use what
Speaker 5: I call at math if they are twenty one or younger,
Speaker 5: I subtract five, and if they're fifty five or older,
Speaker 5: I add five. Right, So that's actually super we're helpful.
Speaker 5: Oh you're twenty one, you're sixteen? Oh god, wow, You're
Speaker 5: not going to.
Speaker 2: Always be able to like check the ID.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: But I do think you have to know, especially if
Speaker 5: you are the older person, which I am in this situation,
Speaker 5: that you are the one in charge. If you don't
Speaker 5: want that thrust upon you, you're not ready to have
Speaker 5: this kind of relationship with anybody, right. I remember I
Speaker 5: was in high school and I was pursuing these older men,
Speaker 5: and then I became the age of these older men
Speaker 5: and lived on the same block as a high school
Speaker 5: and as I would walk by on the way to
Speaker 5: the train, I thought.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, like these are babies. Like what were
Speaker 2: these men seeing in me? Right?
Speaker 5: So I think that's where the sort of problematic discourse
Speaker 5: comes from. You, as the older person, although daddy can
Speaker 5: be a diagnostic, do have to take the responsibility of
Speaker 5: being the adult.
Speaker 2: In the room.
Speaker 3: All Right, when we come back, we're gonna hear justin
Speaker 3: SIPs for cruising for both daddies and sons.
Speaker 1: Sniffy's Cruising Confessions after the break. Welcome back to Sniffy's
Speaker 1: Cruising Confessions. That was good boys, Say yes sir by
Speaker 1: Chris Kannick.
Speaker 3: Now we've heard about how Judson landed a very sexy
Speaker 3: daddy as his sould me. But now we're going to
Speaker 3: hear his expert advice on how to cruise for Daddy's. So, Judson,
Speaker 3: what are the first steps for our listeners who are
Speaker 3: interested in cruising for Daddy's.
Speaker 2: Well, for anybody cruising anybody.
Speaker 5: Before we get to the specifics, I always like to
Speaker 5: treat it as a zero sum game. You didn't know
Speaker 5: the person before you said hello, you didn't know the
Speaker 5: person before you sent them a message on Sniffy's and
Speaker 5: if they don't respond and the way that you want,
Speaker 5: you just get to go back to your life as normal.
Speaker 5: I think that is a great mentality across the board
Speaker 5: for Daddy's looking for sons. One trap I think is
Speaker 5: coming off a little too strong. Your son may not
Speaker 5: know that that's exactly what he wants and needs. I
Speaker 5: think tative it's not the right word, but not as
Speaker 5: aggressive as you might be in the context of something
Speaker 5: like a dad's and lads party where you know, that's
Speaker 5: exactly what they're looking for. I think for sons specifically
Speaker 5: looking for daddies. Even though we're the one driving the car,
Speaker 5: where the mentor the teacher, the coach, we are also
Speaker 5: gay men and love to be wooed, and it's just
Speaker 5: as easy as just approaching us with a hello. Like
Speaker 5: I mentioned earlier, the guy in the oltrain, all he
Speaker 5: said was okay, daddy, and that was enough to engage.
Speaker 2: Yeah. What are your thoughts in eagerness? Oh, aka thirst?
Speaker 3: I think there's a slight difference between those two things,
Speaker 3: but yeah.
Speaker 1: It's a very fine line. It's a very very fine
Speaker 1: line between eagerness and thirsty.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you don't see it until it's been crossed, right,
Speaker 5: Like there's that exact moment where you're like too much. Right,
Speaker 5: My thoughts on eagerness are or that if it is
Speaker 5: in earnest and if it is following the sort of
Speaker 5: role play that you have created, then it's a go.
Speaker 5: I'm communicating with a boy, a son on Sniffy's right now,
Speaker 5: and his eagerness comes across as so sincere. The problem
Speaker 5: is when an eagerness online just sort of falls off
Speaker 5: when you try to make the actual plan right. And
Speaker 5: that is not daddy sun specific, that is life on
Speaker 5: the apps anymore. But I feel like eagerness is welcome
Speaker 5: as long as you can back it.
Speaker 2: Up with your booty.
Speaker 1: Are there scenarios where like daddies might be diving in
Speaker 1: a bit too eagerly, or maybe the supportive or daddy
Speaker 1: figure is like the more eager one and not quite ready.
Speaker 5: Although I have said that to be a daddy is
Speaker 5: just to claim that you are a daddy, please know
Speaker 5: that if you are new to the experience, it might
Speaker 5: land with certain sons as an experience or rushed like,
Speaker 5: you'll have room to grow and learn. I think the
Speaker 5: most important thing is to recognize is that it's something
Speaker 5: that you want for yourself. And I think, like in
Speaker 5: so many things, you'll only find out by failing fast,
Speaker 5: that you need to You need to study up, spend
Speaker 5: time with other daddies.
Speaker 2: Daddy support, groudad collective.
Speaker 3: Yes, what if you're interested in purely sex? How do
Speaker 3: you approach a dad's son relationship in that way?
Speaker 5: People who listen to the Dad's and Daddy's Pod have
Speaker 5: heard me say this ad nauseum, open, honest, direct, open
Speaker 5: honest direct, open honest direct. If you are exclusively looking
Speaker 5: for a daddy sun dynamic in a sex only relationship,
Speaker 5: have that in your profile.
Speaker 2: Let people know quickly.
Speaker 5: It's just that easy, especially in the modern world where
Speaker 5: people are moving quickly, they have a lot of other
Speaker 5: things to do.
Speaker 2: I think directness is a kindness.
Speaker 5: You just have to advertise and be okay if someone
Speaker 5: wants more than that, and be okay if someone's not
Speaker 5: into that.
Speaker 1: We've talked a little bit about the difference and experiences
Speaker 1: growing up with HIV AIDS depending on your age, But
Speaker 1: what do you think is good advice for navigating safer sex,
Speaker 1: whatever that means between an older and a younger partner.
Speaker 5: I think, as a product of when I grew up,
Speaker 5: I understand exactly what it feels like to be so
Speaker 5: scared of sex and then have something like prep introduced
Speaker 5: into my life and to finally, finally, finally get to
Speaker 5: have the sex of the nineteen seventies that I idealized, right,
Speaker 5: like the post stone wall, pre aids, back of a
Speaker 5: truck sex right. And I think if you are the
Speaker 5: older person in the relationship, you have to understand that
Speaker 5: not everyone is growing up in that same environment or
Speaker 5: feels that same kind of relief. So you have to
Speaker 5: give your younger partner a lot of grace on their
Speaker 5: journey with what they define as a safe sexual practice.
Speaker 5: And if you are the younger partner, it is absolutely
Speaker 5: up to you to decide what you are more or
Speaker 5: most comfortable with. It's really important to be having these
Speaker 5: conversations with your doctor or primary care physician to understand
Speaker 5: exactly what options are available for you. I'll share with
Speaker 5: you something that I didn't get until my mid thirties,
Speaker 5: and that was I had a therapist tell me you
Speaker 5: never have to have sex with anyone that you don't
Speaker 5: want to, and that extends to save sex practices.
Speaker 2: All right, j justsin. We've had so much fun today.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm walking away with a much more
Speaker 1: expansive idea of what daddy daddy nis daddy dom is
Speaker 1: in my head.
Speaker 2: So thank you for that.
Speaker 1: But before we let you go, I would love a
Speaker 1: cruising confession of your own today about having sex with
Speaker 1: the daddy or having sex while you were the daddy.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm going to give you both. Yes, We've got time.
Speaker 5: This summer I graduated from high school. I was eighteen
Speaker 5: years old, and I cannot even remember how I met
Speaker 5: this guy, but he was tall and broad shouldered and
Speaker 5: mustached and just beautiful. And he and his partner invited
Speaker 5: me into their home for the summer to be their
Speaker 5: what houseboy, and I would just do all the things
Speaker 5: like I would cook, I would clean, I painted their
Speaker 5: fucking garage, and then they would fuck the shit out
Speaker 5: of me.
Speaker 2: It was so so amazing.
Speaker 5: Wow, I was eighteen years old, and it just like
Speaker 5: expanded my entire understanding of all of it.
Speaker 2: Where are they now? My hottest experience as a daddy.
Speaker 5: I met this guy in the neighborhood on Sniffy's and
Speaker 5: he is so good at what he does. He has
Speaker 5: made me enjoy something that I don't gravitate toward at all,
Speaker 5: and that is specifically getting my dick sucked. Don't love it,
Speaker 5: have never been into it. Controversial opinion. I would much
Speaker 5: prefer handy because of the grip. Anyway, I have never
Speaker 5: even seen this guy naked, which makes it so hot.
Speaker 5: He always leaves the door unlocked and is on his
Speaker 5: knees in his lip room in a T shirt and shorts,
Speaker 5: and he is the best cocksucker I have ever met
Speaker 5: in my entire life, and he is I would say,
Speaker 5: the best son I've ever had because he is so responsive,
Speaker 5: he's so communicative. Sometimes he likes it rough, sometimes he
Speaker 5: wants me to be mean. He is such a good boy.
Speaker 5: He makes me so proud, and I have never experienced
Speaker 5: in my entire life someone that just gets so much
Speaker 5: joy out of sucking a dick. And that is why
Speaker 5: I love to be of service to him. When you
Speaker 5: have a relationship like that, because he's probably my most
Speaker 5: hooked up with person ever beyond my husband, you develop
Speaker 5: even more of a relationship. Like we definitely drop into
Speaker 5: the roles the minute I walk in the door. And
Speaker 5: after we're done, he gets me a seltzer out of
Speaker 5: the fridge because he knows I'm sober, and we talk
Speaker 5: about book, movie and show recommendations.
Speaker 2: And then we go on with our day. Oh that's
Speaker 2: so fun.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've never hung out other wise. This entire relationship
Speaker 5: exists in his living room once a month.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 3: All right, when we come back, we're going to hear
Speaker 3: an actual cruising confession from one of our listeners. Stay tuned, Yes,
Speaker 3: all right, this season, we're doing things a little bit differently,
Speaker 3: and we wanted to bring our Sniffy's Cruising Confessions audience
Speaker 3: into the conversation. So at the end of every episode
Speaker 3: this season, we're going to listen to an actual cruising
Speaker 3: confession from one of you.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right.
Speaker 1: For better or worse, Sniffy set up a call in
Speaker 1: hotline where users can leave voicemails about their hottest, weirdest,
Speaker 1: or most outrageous true cruising stories, and we're going to
Speaker 1: listen to them live for context. Neither of us have
Speaker 1: courage this story before. No, I am thrilled, horrified, really excited.
Speaker 1: So let's see what we got.
Speaker 2: The park was hot.
Speaker 4: One time I went to the park to the bathroom, okay,
Speaker 4: and I saw me in there and he was just
Speaker 4: my dick the whole time. I was like, why does
Speaker 4: he look so familiar? Whenever we stopped and went out
Speaker 4: in separate ways. He has my name and I didn't
Speaker 4: tell my name, and I heard his name and then
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god. I told my friends
Speaker 4: and was asking me if they could verify who my
Speaker 4: friend's dad was because they just sucked my drink in
Speaker 4: the bathroom.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of literal fathers, speaking of literal fathers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, literal fathers.
Speaker 1: Okay, Wow, should we take this in chronological order? So yeah,
Speaker 1: I yeah, so many feelings, so many beats to that
Speaker 1: story that I mean, I'm really into into it. First
Speaker 1: of all, Yeah, you were using a public bathroom in
Speaker 1: a park. We know you don't live in New York
Speaker 1: because those aren't here. Okay, so good on you for
Speaker 1: living in a place where your public parks are well
Speaker 1: funded and kept up by the city government. All right, right,
Speaker 1: starts off as a very standard cruising story. Yeah, room,
Speaker 1: someone follows you in, You're like, okay, this could be dangerous,
Speaker 1: but could be hot. And then they get into the bathroom. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: they do the deed. They do the deed, And I
Speaker 1: like that we don't spend that much time talking about
Speaker 1: the sucking itself. No, because that's not the point of
Speaker 1: the story, right, that's not the climax, Baby, that's not
Speaker 1: the climax you thought it was.
Speaker 2: This is wild, Yeah, No, it's this idea of like, God,
Speaker 2: you look familiar, right, how.
Speaker 1: Do I know you? And then I love that the
Speaker 1: familiarity was not something that this person addressed during the hookup. Yes,
Speaker 1: they were like We're gonna keep this to dick sucking
Speaker 1: in the bathroom only. Yeah, and then I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: up one of my girls and be like, is this
Speaker 1: your dad?
Speaker 2: Can you please confirm? Is this your dad? Please confirm?
Speaker 2: I want an update? Did they hook up again?
Speaker 1: I know?
Speaker 2: Can we get? I would? I would love? And so did?
Speaker 2: Was this the thing? Did you? Was it a regular thing?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Because why not?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, I have never ever ever run
Speaker 1: into a friend's parent on any dating app, at any party.
Speaker 1: What are these magical towns where where every hot closeted
Speaker 1: dad is just like waiting on.
Speaker 2: A park bench. Just suck your daw. I good thing.
Speaker 1: You and your friends don't go cruising together, right, because
Speaker 1: you would have maybe they might have had a very different.
Speaker 2: Experience in that baun. Yeah, yeah, that would have been
Speaker 2: awkward though. Yeah. Well, we were wishing you and.
Speaker 1: From under the math room you just see the mouth
Speaker 1: through the You're like, dad, is that you you recognize? This?
Speaker 2: Neger is the Lofers. It's familiar, the crocs, the not thees.
Speaker 3: Y'all.
Speaker 1: If you see Sperry's tapping at you from a restall,
Speaker 1: that's a Republican senator.
Speaker 2: Okay, get out, get out, not the Sperries, damn.
Speaker 1: If you could call back, please let us know if
Speaker 1: you hooked up again and what footwear he had on.
Speaker 1: Those are two crucial things, Chris and I would love
Speaker 1: to know. Thank you for that amazing confession. That was
Speaker 1: really really great. If you are listening and you'd like
Speaker 1: to hear your own cruising confessions on an upcoming episode
Speaker 1: of this podcast, you can call our Cruising Confessions hotline
Speaker 1: at three O two two one nine three eight nine eight,
Speaker 1: and again it is three zero two two one nine
Speaker 1: three eight nine eight. I would love to hear your
Speaker 1: bat shit sexts. I'm very excited. Yeah, great way to
Speaker 1: cap off. This episode was spectacular. Absolutely, I had so
Speaker 1: much fun with Judson. I feel like I came in
Speaker 1: with a very static idea of what a daddy was
Speaker 1: for me. I always thought it was like an archetype,
Speaker 1: you know, like like muscle Queen or Otter or Twink.
Speaker 1: And understanding that for a lot of folks, daddy is
Speaker 1: sort of a role and maybe a subdom dynamic.
Speaker 3: That that was exactly it, right, Like I understood more
Speaker 3: about how expansive the term daddy could be right, and
Speaker 3: I was able to see myself in that role, just
Speaker 3: not in the way that I had thought of it previously.
Speaker 3: I don't really just you know, describe myself as a man,
Speaker 3: but I could definitely be a daddy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We got non binary daddies, we got cis women as daddies.
Speaker 1: It's we got all sorts of daddies. And I think
Speaker 1: this is also going to help me be more clear
Speaker 1: maybe moving forward, because I'm very into daddy so I think,
Speaker 1: you know, being more clear about what I want and
Speaker 1: again our listeners, being clear about what you want with
Speaker 1: any scenario, whether there's a power dynamic that is different
Speaker 1: because of age, economic background, whatever it is, Right, this
Speaker 1: was a great reminder to be more intentional my communications
Speaker 1: and with my language. Yeah, I do want to thank
Speaker 1: our guest today, Justsen Morrow from the Dads and Daddies podcast.
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