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Speaker 1: Yes, However, again it goes back to what you were

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Speaker 3: we have a very special guest here in her space today,

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Speaker 3: super excited about this topic today, something that is definitely

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Speaker 3: Wilcher is a PhD candidate in economics at American University.

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Speaker 3: She's an applied microeconomist with interest in labor, health, and

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Speaker 3: the Pony School of Management and Italy. Brittany, welcome to

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Speaker 3: her space. Hey ladies, We're so happy to have you here.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the war and welcome and the kind introduction.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, so there's multiple places where we can go

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Speaker 3: Wow, that is super deep, Britney, and it makes me

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Speaker 5: That doctor Lucis wrote about choosing economist kind of post

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Speaker 1: But from an economic standpoint, what are the things that

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Speaker 2: Right. And so what does that mean to me?

444
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Speaker 5: It means thinking about how can I be prepared for

445
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 5: fields that might be less affected by automation, maybe getting

446
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 5: into spaces like data science, right, So taking advantage of

447
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 5: maybe these free boot camps that teach you how to program, right,

448
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 5: we want to make sure kind of like in Hidden Figures,

449
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 5: which one of the characters that was played by Octavius

450
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 5: and so you'll remember seeing Hidden Figures.

451
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: There's a scene that I.

452
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 5: Love where she basically stills doesn't really still it because

453
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 5: it's literally from the public library, and begins training her

454
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 5: team on how to code so that she could bring

455
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 5: them all up with her.

456
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: And so I think it's important.

457
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Speaker 5: I don't know if we need to start building some

458
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 5: sort of collective this might exist, but we need to

459
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 5: begin investing in our own training, going back to life,

460
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 5: taking back our power to the extent that we can,

461
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 5: and training ourselves for the jobs of the future. I think,

462
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 5: so that we're not just aggregated in these spaces that

463
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 5: are so temperamental based upon how the economy ebbs and flows.

464
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 5: And I know it's easier sort of said than done,

465
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Speaker 5: because then we have that barrier of trying to get

466
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 5: jobs in these spaces which require a network, right, And

467
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 5: so I think when I'm thinking about both kind of

468
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 5: these investing our own human capital, advocating for yourself in

469
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 5: the health space. I also think that there's just like

470
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 5: a lot to be done policy wise, Like there's just

471
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 5: some stuff that it's it's not on uses, Like it's

472
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 5: just not on us, right, but it's on us to begin,

473
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 5: I think advocating and the way that we've seen people

474
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 5: rise up now to push back on policy makers pod

475
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 5: and accountable for things like AIDAM things that we know

476
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 5: work right, like having access to BAID family like there's

477
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 5: plenty of evidence for that, having access to solid childcare,

478
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 5: really establishing best practices to make sure that everyone has

479
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 5: equitable sort of access to healthcare.

480
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Speaker 4: Right.

481
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Speaker 5: So it's it's time for us to really also push

482
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Speaker 5: back on the government and give us give them the

483
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 5: list of sort of demands, recommendations or you know, like

484
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 5: you and I kind of in these research spaces, really

485
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 5: pushing back against the government. Okay, this is evidence, This

486
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 5: is evidence to show that this policy has x y

487
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 5: Z effect and can encourage x yx the type of behavior.

488
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Speaker 5: So I think while some of the oldness, I think

489
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Speaker 5: we can do what we can as black women to

490
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 5: retool to advocate. I think at the same time, we

491
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 5: continue to push back and let the government works for

492
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Speaker 5: us know what we need.

493
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Speaker 3: That's beautiful. That is such a beautiful advice. And I

494
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 3: love that feedback about looking at those careers that cannot

495
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Speaker 3: or will be less likely to be automated. I feel

496
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Speaker 3: like back when I was in school and we talked

497
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Speaker 3: about careers, there always sort of seemed to be this

498
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Speaker 3: I don't know, it seems like the people that were

499
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Speaker 3: in my network, they seem to gravitate toward the same

500
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Speaker 3: types of careers. So Black people in general, I don't

501
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 3: know if we were just shown certain careers and so

502
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 3: we didn't think about, oh, I can be a biologist

503
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: or like a food scientist, you know, or a data scientist.

504
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Speaker 3: I don't think those were careers that came to mind

505
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Speaker 3: for many of us. So I love that feedback, and

506
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 3: it's something that's great that we can share with our

507
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 3: children as well, sort of cultivating those gifts. So thank

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Speaker 3: you for that, Brittany. I guess the next question would

509
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Speaker 3: be around generational wealth. Do you have any any like

510
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Speaker 3: pro tips or any advice on how you black people,

511
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: black women can can sort of create generational wealth for

512
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Speaker 3: their families.

513
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Speaker 2: Oh, well, that's a good question. So I think it's interesting.

514
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Speaker 5: I think a lot of times people here economous and

515
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 5: they see it this something that's synonymous with finance.

516
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Speaker 2: And so I'll be honest.

517
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Speaker 5: In terms of I guess building wealth, I'm less knowledgeable

518
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Speaker 5: about just from what I do, what I think, just

519
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 5: priors that I have in terms of building generational wealth.

520
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Speaker 2: And I think actually touching back upon what.

521
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Speaker 5: We as black women do now to better ourselves, I

522
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 5: think is really investing in understanding personal finance talking about

523
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 5: it in our community. I think generally that may not

524
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 5: be something that every family actually talks about. And I

525
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 5: think in some ways, maybe it's because you don't want

526
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Speaker 5: to be a burden, right, Like I don't know, I

527
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 5: imagine in black families or families of color, right, there's

528
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 5: maybe different cultural norms around it. Maybe some seed a

529
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 5: hey we pull everything other, see like let me hold

530
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 5: my own weight because I don't want to put it

531
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Speaker 5: on sibling X or grandmother X.

532
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Speaker 2: Right.

533
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Speaker 5: So I think, whatever your narrative is, I think it's

534
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 5: important to just begin seeking out information about personal finance,

535
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Speaker 5: about really things.

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Speaker 2: I think what we've.

537
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Speaker 5: Realized in COVID is life is precious. So understanding as

538
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Speaker 5: state planning, understanding life insurance and how that's different than

539
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 5: maybe disability insurance.

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Speaker 2: What might work for you, right.

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Speaker 5: I think also when we're talking about these going back

542
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Speaker 5: to these investments in human capital that we're encouraging among

543
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Speaker 5: our children, thinking about do I need to send my

544
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 5: child to the school that, while it may be a

545
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 5: great school, end up resulting in them amassing tons of debt?

546
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Speaker 2: Right? Could they achieve the same.

547
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 5: Goal at another school that's maybe a state school that

548
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 5: has really solid programs, and then go on to a

549
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 5: graduate program at that set like prestigious quote unquote school.

550
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: Right.

551
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Speaker 5: So, just thinking about the ways in which we're strategically

552
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Speaker 5: sort of making investments. I don't know if there are

553
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Speaker 5: if you are able to build a community where you're

554
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 5: actually able to come together and invest in things and

555
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 5: not just stops, but maybe come together in your local

556
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 5: be find a group of people and really invest in

557
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 5: your own community. Maybe actually us being the ones to

558
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 5: begin to revitalize our own is to go in and

559
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 5: buy property, make it nice, make it somewhere that we

560
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Speaker 5: would want our kids to play.

561
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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: So, I mean there's a lot of thoughts that I

563
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Speaker 5: have in terms of building generational wealth and I guess

564
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 5: just an individual sort of perspective, then to the broad

565
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Speaker 5: family unit, and then to us as like a community

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Speaker 5: as far.

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Speaker 3: I will say, brittany One, thank you so much for

568
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Speaker 3: that guidance and that answer. I have not really studied

569
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Speaker 3: microeconomics since undergrad and so as we ask these questions,

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Speaker 3: I love how you were very honest with like, this

571
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 3: isn't really my expertise, but you did such a great

572
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: job like sort of leading us and guiding us and

573
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 3: sharing what you could about these topics based on your

574
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: thoughts and your assumptions and your research and all that

575
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: good stuff. So thank you so much for bearing with

576
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 3: us as we are like this is a new topic

577
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: for us. We just want to dive into these various subtopics.

578
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 3: So I guess for us, it'd be nice to know,

579
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 3: like what topic can you talk about all day? Or

580
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 3: what topic is closely related to the research that excites

581
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Speaker 3: you most.

582
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so right now, I think that this dissertation, any

583
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 5: of those topics I could go on and on about

584
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 5: right thinking about right now a lot of stuff that

585
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 5: just happens to be relevant to the news. So talking

586
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 5: about the representation of women in chronical tiles, and what

587
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 5: that means for population sort of outcomes in terms of

588
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 5: the types of pharmaceutical innovations that we see on the market.

589
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 5: So when we have a coup of people in a

590
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Speaker 5: clinical trial that are more representative of potentially like the

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Speaker 5: end user, do we actually see innovation that's high quality

592
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Speaker 5: is measured in the sense of it not presenting a

593
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Speaker 5: lot of adverse sort of drug reactions. I've been doing

594
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Speaker 5: some work, as you might be able to tell, thinking

595
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 5: about a family as well, how that's affected mother's sort

596
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 5: of long run labor market sort of behavior and what

597
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 5: we refer to as attachment continuing to stay employed. Looking

598
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 5: at these cases and states like California, New Jersey, also

599
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 5: thinking about really how recessions, in particular the Great Recession

600
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 5: affected maternal health in general, and how our policies around

601
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 5: childcare and child subsidies ext into which those offsets offset

602
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Speaker 5: some of the potential adverse implications that a recession might

603
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 5: have on maternal health. I can also talk to you

604
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 5: about Lovecraft Country or all of these other ways that

605
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 5: if our versus I have really been enjoying that during

606
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 5: the quarantine for the social sort of isolation period. But yeah,

607
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 5: those are things that I'm definitely enjoying learning more about

608
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 5: and really diving into the space. So I'm excited that

609
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 5: I really feel like it's relevant to the current discussions,

610
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 5: and so it's exciting to do work that could potentially

611
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 5: be able to speak to the conversation around national policy.

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Speaker 1: I have a quick follow up question, right, So, when

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Speaker 1: you were talking about participating in pharmaceutical trials, one of

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Speaker 1: the things that comes up for me all the time

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Speaker 1: in terms of participating in research. Right, So I get

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Speaker 1: it being in academia, like, I get it. I get

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Speaker 1: the need to participate in research and to have representation

618
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Speaker 1: in the work. But I also know the historical narrative

619
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Speaker 1: and how many times we as black folks have been

620
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Speaker 1: mistreated and killed for the advancement of science. Because I

621
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: do hear what you're saying about the importance of that representation, right,

622
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Speaker 1: what would you say to black women who get that

623
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Speaker 1: call for participating in this clinical trial? And or what

624
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Speaker 1: would you say to those people who are conducting clinical

625
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Speaker 1: trials and really want to recruit black women. I know

626
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:23,479
Speaker 1: that's a two part question.

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Speaker 5: No, it's fine with the fire. So I think it's

628
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 5: a very important question. And actually, what precipitated my interests

629
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Speaker 5: in this area of trials. Was this just skiky experiment

630
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Speaker 5: that you have just referenced, And so I think this

631
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Speaker 5: is why I personally opted to focus on sex, so

632
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 5: thinking about women versus men in particular, because there are

633
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 5: explicit sort of biological differences as it relates to affecting

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Speaker 5: how we might metabolize medications.

635
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Speaker 2: To what I mean is when.

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Speaker 5: We think that like on just physiological level, talk about hormones,

637
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 5: we're talking about literally different sort of VMI body composition, right,

638
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 5: This can all affect how we are processing a medication.

639
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 5: And so with that, I think it's important to be

640
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 5: able to observe that sort of variation at like the

641
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 5: clinical trial phase, so that you really understand. I have

642
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 5: a stronger sense of how this might play out at

643
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 5: the population level, and I can definitely understand the trepidation

644
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Speaker 5: of a black person in terms of their willingness to

645
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 5: want to participate in a trial, which is why I mean,

646
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Speaker 5: maybe it is slightly different than the narrative. I actually

647
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 5: recently saw two sort of representatives of HBCU medical schools

648
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 5: encouraging black people to participate, and I think from my

649
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 5: perspective I'm a little leary when I think about encouraging

650
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 5: participation along the dimensions of race. While I am aware

651
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 5: that there's kind of this argument or epigenetics and this

652
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 5: idea that basically stress essentially like the stress of being black,

653
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 5: can literally change the genes in which we put the

654
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Speaker 5: way in which we process things. I think I'm more

655
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 5: comfortable with a conversation around making sure that we get

656
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 5: people in trials if we're not talking about along the

657
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Speaker 5: dimensions of gender, people in trials that represent different underlying

658
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 5: risk factors or diseases, right, So I would feel more comfortable,

659
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Speaker 5: for like, we need to have make sure that we're

660
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Speaker 5: including people with sickle cell right, which might disproportionately of

661
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 5: course affect black people. We're including people with heart disease, right,

662
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Speaker 5: so we're including people based upon the conditions, rather than

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Speaker 5: having this conversation around specific grace, which I think can

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Speaker 5: make people a little bit theory and apprehensive, which I

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Speaker 5: totally understand, and I think that's kind of where my

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Speaker 5: thoughts around that if for them, maybe how other people

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Speaker 5: may have stilled it just to me, I think that

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Speaker 5: the conversation should just to clarify the year round, making

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Speaker 5: sure we represent people with certain underlying risk factors and

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Speaker 5: certain diseases. And I think it's important too if we're

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Speaker 5: going to have if this is going to precipitate more

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Speaker 5: people of color being in these trials, more Black women,

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Speaker 5: for example, being in these trials, and we need to

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Speaker 5: make sure that we have the people running the trials

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Speaker 5: reflect the communities that we're serving, because I think that

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Speaker 5: or either be sensitive to the unities that they're serving. Right,

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Speaker 5: So you don't necessarily have to be a black woman

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Speaker 5: to be an advocate for the rights of black women.

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Speaker 5: But we just want to make sure that everyone in

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Speaker 5: there is on the same page in terms of the

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Speaker 5: underlying sort of mission, so they can be sensitive and

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Speaker 5: they have the ability to communicate that everyone has as

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Speaker 5: much full information to the extent which is possible about

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Speaker 5: what they are getting into.

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Speaker 2: And so I guess to the woman.

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Speaker 5: That is acting intensive, I would want her to consider participation.

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Speaker 5: I guess from the perspective of making sure that someone

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Speaker 5: perhaps with her underlying conditions, is represented in this child

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Speaker 5: such that when this goes to the market, when this

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Speaker 5: has rolled out and the masses that.

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Speaker 2: We know, hopefully Shawa that this is going to.

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Speaker 5: Play out well among those populations that may have sickness,

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Speaker 5: cell that may have heart diseases, that may have dives, right,

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Speaker 5: And I think when you're talking around conditions, it to

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Speaker 5: me doesn't necessarily mean just black, because other people can

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Speaker 5: have diabetes, right, other people can have heart disease. But

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Speaker 5: we still want to understand how the drug interacts with

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Speaker 5: maybe people with those sort of compouns.

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Speaker 3: I love that you share that, and I love that

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Speaker 3: you asked that question Dom. It makes me think about

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Speaker 3: in the news and how they were saying we need

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Speaker 3: more black people to this vaccine out on and I'm like, oh, absolutely,

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Speaker 3: I will not be signing up for that, like of

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Speaker 3: course because of our current government and everything that's kind

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Speaker 3: of going on there. But I love the way you

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Speaker 3: said you prefer not to focus on race per se,

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Speaker 3: but more so different you know, biological makeups or you know,

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Speaker 3: different health concerns or things of that nature. So we're

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Speaker 3: going to switch up the energy of our interview and Brittany,

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Speaker 3: because we recognize, appreciate, and celebrate the multifaceted woman, and

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Speaker 3: we believe that it's okay to be classy and ratchet

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Speaker 3: and you can still be elegant and dance to strip

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Speaker 3: club music. If you so choose, we want to invite

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Speaker 3: you to the oh you clatche yes, oh you clatch

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Speaker 3: it segment. So, Brittany, do you take on the challenge?

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Speaker 2: I do? I think I will. I love that response.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I love it, and so okay, we're going to

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Speaker 1: ease you into it. So the first question. You mentioned

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Speaker 1: this earlier, that part of what you've been doing during

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Speaker 1: the quarantine time is listening to versus battles. So out

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Speaker 1: of all of the versus battles that you've heard so far,

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Speaker 1: which one was your favorite?

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Speaker 5: Are you already know Antie Patty and Antique Gladder. I

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Speaker 5: said they should stop. There should be no more. I

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Speaker 5: don't understand where they're gonn to go, and we just

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Speaker 5: all agree. We all agree, and like it was healing

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Speaker 5: for the world.

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Speaker 2: It really was. I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love it, so Britty, let's see. Our next question

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Speaker 3: for you is if you had to choose, I say,

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Speaker 3: you're on the dance floor and one of your favorite

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Speaker 3: songs comes on, are you going to talk or two sets?

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's a situational am I a family of things?

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Speaker 3: That's a good point.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you. Listen at the club.

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Speaker 3: No family.

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Speaker 5: Well, if my family is listening for this, I will

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Speaker 5: two step.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: We're going to stick with the two steps. Wink point.

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Speaker 3: We got you, Brittany.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So since you're going to two step, what song

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Speaker 1: would get you to the dance floor to two step?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 5: My gosh before I let go, Well, I mean I

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Speaker 5: said the party is over, but I mean before it started.

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Speaker 2: I just it's many.

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Speaker 1: Things, right, yes, exactly, because.

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Speaker 2: The party started and shuts it down. It's everything that is.

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Speaker 3: A good one, that is a good one. And what

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Speaker 3: about when you think about your legacy and the work

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Speaker 3: that you're doing currently, how do you want to be remembered.

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Speaker 5: I think it's someone who's there to dream. And one

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Speaker 5: thing that I wanted to actually mention when we're discussing

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Speaker 5: earlier is that there is just unfortunately a lack of

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Speaker 5: representation of black women and econ. When I say a lack,

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Speaker 5: like less than point five percent of PhDs I think

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Speaker 5: twenty eighteen were awarded to black women. And I think

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Speaker 5: that the field is just so powerful because who do

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Speaker 5: we see on the face like once COVID hit, who

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Speaker 5: do we see behind the design of polisy and so

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Speaker 5: I think I just want to be remembered as someone

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Speaker 5: who dared to dream and be in space where I

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Speaker 5: just wanted to represent us as black women and to

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Speaker 5: be able to not just give a voice to us,

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Speaker 5: but give a voice to those who may not be

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Speaker 5: in the room. So just offering an alternative perspective, and

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Speaker 5: I think it's critical to have an alternative perspective when

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Speaker 5: you're shaping policy for a very diverse US population.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, thank you so much Brittany for joining

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Speaker 1: us today in her space. I hope that our listeners

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Speaker 1: are really taking in the perspective that you've shared, and

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Speaker 1: that hopefully some of our listeners will hear it and

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Speaker 1: look you up and share your information with their daughters

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Speaker 1: so that their daughters can say, hey, I want to

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Speaker 1: pursue a career in economics, so that we're not having

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Speaker 1: only zo point five percent with PhDs in economics. So

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Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you again for being here with us

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Speaker 1: and shedding light on an area that a lot of

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Speaker 1: us are exposed to but don't necessarily know about. Right So,

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Speaker 1: for our listeners out there that I want to look

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Speaker 1: you up and connect with you because maybe they have

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Speaker 1: more questions to ask where can they find you?

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Speaker 5: So you can find me on Twitter at Brittany Wilcher

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Speaker 5: Brittany with am I b R I T N I

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Speaker 5: W I L C h E R again and find

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Speaker 5: me on Twitter at Britney Wilcher Brittany with and I.

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