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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius x M Triumph

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Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. A fashion model, absolutely stunning, beautiful home,

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Speaker 1: beautiful family, mother of two gorgeous stepdaughters. What more could

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Speaker 1: this woman want? Well, right now she wants a new

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Speaker 1: trial for allegedly hiring a hit man to murder her

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Speaker 1: husband's ex wife. What I mean, it'sy Grace, this is

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us, and the

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Speaker 1: beat goes on. Joining me Joel Brodsky, a renowned defense

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Speaker 1: attorney out of the Chicago Jurisdiction. Investigative reporter Alexis Torres

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Speaker 1: chat with Radar Online dot Com. Renowned New York psychologists

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Speaker 1: joining us, Karen Stark and forensic expert Professor of Forensics

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Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State University, Joseph Scott Morgan. You know, Alexis,

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Speaker 1: I really don't know where to start with this. Tara Lambert.

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Speaker 1: I mean I'm looking at her right now. She looks

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Speaker 1: like she should be on an ad for like Lorial

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Speaker 1: or I would say cover Girl, but since I use

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Speaker 1: that in high school, I kind of feel like, no

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Speaker 1: to the cover Girl, That's not classy enough for this lady,

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Speaker 1: although I still use their eyebrow pencils. Alexis now back

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Speaker 1: to this woman, Tara Lambert stunning. Well, you certainly can't

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Speaker 1: judge a book by its cover, Alex says, help me

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Speaker 1: why this woman was so enraged with her husband's ex

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Speaker 1: wife that she hired a hit man to kill her,

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Speaker 1: the mother her stepchildren and the mother of her husband's children.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, alexis you said ex wife. The woman

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Speaker 1: is an ex she's gone. Why murder her? I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if the prize I hate to say this

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Speaker 1: with Joe Scott Morgan and Alan Dee listening, but if

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Speaker 1: the prize is the man, sorry, I just chuckled right there.

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Speaker 1: If the prize is the man, she got him, she

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Speaker 1: bagged him. So why does she have to kill the x?

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Speaker 1: What am I missing? Alexis, Alexas, just start at the beginning,

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Speaker 1: because so far I don't really like your answers. Just

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Speaker 1: start at the beginning, Karen, listen, we gotta figure this

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Speaker 1: thing out. Okay. So she is married, and she decides

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Speaker 1: that she wants to kill her husband's ex wife, the

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Speaker 1: mother of her two stepdaughters. So she decides that she's

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Speaker 1: going to hi or a hitman. I don't really know

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Speaker 1: where these people think they can find hitman, as if

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Speaker 1: they're just everywhere. So she finds a man who she

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Speaker 1: beautiful stepdaughters. Turns out he is an undercover cop, and

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Speaker 1: she is busted for trying to have their mother murdered.

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Speaker 1: How did she go about trying to have the woman murdered?

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Speaker 1: Why do we believe she actually went through with it? What?

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Speaker 1: What's the evidence against her? So police have actual recordings

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Speaker 1: of her on the phone with this man because he's

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Speaker 1: a police officer. Take a listen to secret surveillance footage

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Speaker 1: we have obtained of Tera Lambert. Now she's under cover

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Speaker 1: right here, and she's actually telling the hitman to use

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Speaker 1: a quote lumberjack thinghy to put the ex wife into

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Speaker 1: a chopper. She says chopper her words, not mine, to

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Speaker 1: put the ex wife in a wood chipper to dispose

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Speaker 1: of the evidence. Now, guys, let's let's just pause a moment.

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Speaker 1: Alexis and I we're yucking it up about the motive?

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Speaker 1: Is you know you're going to kill somebody over a man?

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Speaker 1: And why would she do it? Because the X is,

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Speaker 1: after all an X, so what's the issue. But this

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Speaker 1: this ar act. Nice to meet you. What's going on

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Speaker 1: with you? I hear you have a problem away gone community.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you want done with her? Oh?

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Speaker 1: My god? Just put her in a chopper, like like

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Speaker 1: one of those Lumberjack chopper things. I don't care a

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Speaker 1: lumberjack chopper or just getting like that's not much. I

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Speaker 1: Let me just walk up at Capper. Oh no, I

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Speaker 1: like we're kind of thinking of like a home invasion

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Speaker 1: the time, So if he's there, you want him to

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Speaker 1: go to Yeah, I mean I really don't mind, Brant.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna be so I just can't even

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Speaker 1: hate her. That's not much. I hate her. Now. Remember

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Speaker 1: police become suspicious of the cover girl mom Tara Lambert,

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Speaker 1: and they bring her in for questioning. Listen to what happened.

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Speaker 1: Am I really like arrested? Yes, okay, did you ever

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Speaker 1: make talk it that you would like to have her killed?

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Speaker 1: Now I get signed for a conflant with her like

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Speaker 1: we are going to complant. Understand that I understand that

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Speaker 1: to have Kelly killed my dad, daughter and mother. Yes, no, no, yes,

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Speaker 1: you're the one that wants to have her killed. I

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Speaker 1: don't want her killed. I want her beat up. If

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Speaker 1: they had a puncher in the grill tera. There is

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Speaker 1: I want to permanently hurt. You remember saying that, well,

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Speaker 1: I can play it for you. But you said it

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Speaker 1: all started. It was that you were asking her how

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Speaker 1: much would this cost to do it all this? Do

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Speaker 1: you remember saying, let's start it? He didn't know. No,

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Speaker 1: in the first phone conversation, No, explain to me why

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Speaker 1: so I can understand why you would want to have

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Speaker 1: her killing. No, I want her to stop me, to

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Speaker 1: stop harassing us. I want head to stop making all

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Speaker 1: activation to me. Why your stop undering my name and

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Speaker 1: about going Okay, what what did she do that made

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Speaker 1: you so upset? I don't want her to die. I

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Speaker 1: don't understand that because you did. I don't want her

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Speaker 1: to stop. You indicated that you hated her on when

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Speaker 1: you were talking into conversations. I don't though, you don't

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Speaker 1: mean that now. I don't hate her, and I am.

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Speaker 1: And that's why Lee are about too good counseling. Like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about having her kill. That was agreement.

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Speaker 1: It was to defer in the grill. That is a

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Speaker 1: punch in the mof in the face. That's it. Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess the the takes will speak for the show. Well,

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Speaker 1: I have somebody that might be able to help you out,

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Speaker 1: you know how much I would love that. He wants

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Speaker 1: to know how much you'll pay him, Like, what do

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Speaker 1: you think is a good amount for say, Honestly, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, you know, it just depends on

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Speaker 1: what you're wanting done. Yeah, girl in the bottom line,

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Speaker 1: and if we're only going to hurt her, then I

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Speaker 1: with her, Yeah, I would be like, well, I just

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Speaker 1: he's wanting to know if you want to meet tomorrow. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I can do that. I'm gonna like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: our guys been in my car. Oh yeah, I think that,

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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, I've done a little bit of investigation into

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Speaker 1: Tara Lambert. This is more information that I've learned. It's

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Speaker 1: not necessarily in fact, it is not evidence of guilt,

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Speaker 1: you to store it in and to get your analysis.

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Speaker 1: I know. I mean, she's just thirty three, that she

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Speaker 1: had suffered from eating disorders and had body issues. She

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Speaker 1: has had over two dozen, over twenty four cosmetic surgeries. Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's a lot, Karen. And I'm certainly not one to judge,

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Speaker 1: because I don't really care if you have surgery, have it,

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Speaker 1: if you don't find it's really none of my business.

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Speaker 1: But I do think it gives us a glimpse into

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Speaker 1: her psyche, how far she will go to be what

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Speaker 1: she believes is attractive. What do you make of all this? Well,

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Speaker 1: we're talking right now, Nancy about her insecurity and her

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Speaker 1: disbelief that, you know, the way that she is is

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Speaker 1: good enough. The fact that she kept having all these

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Speaker 1: she's messed up. But she's not so insane that she

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Speaker 1: I just wanted her clipped, you know, I just wanted

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Speaker 1: her punched in the jaws something. Well, let me understand something,

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Speaker 1: Alexis Teresha writer online dot com. What was the ex

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Speaker 1: Wee can. It's difficult, It's very difficult, But in Tara

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Speaker 1: Lambert's mind, that amounted to harassment. To Joseph Scott Morgan

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, you know, we were kind of yucking it

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Speaker 1: then you know, to witness her, that's the creepy thing

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Speaker 1: would be hitman to throw Cook into a lumber shredder. Now,

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Speaker 1: Anashville woman, Tara Lambert, the former fashion model from Pickaway County,

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Speaker 1: it's not a fantasy world, Nancy, that's so far fetched.

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Speaker 1: all the way. But at least the justice system who

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00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: get to serve some of its most of its purpose.

426
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: I mean we're open that she'll stay off the street

427
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: as almo as possible. Now it's in the judge's hand too,

428
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: hopefully make it a stiff penalty. It's made us more

429
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: aware of our surroundings. We're living in an evil world.

430
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: I mean, she got caught, the next person might not. So,

431
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: I mean it could be a real poem invasion. We're

432
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: prepared now, I mean we we look for signs. Kids

433
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: are prepared, The kids are prepared. I mean, you know,

434
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: we've got an action plan for the most part. What

435
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's like everything had to change. We turned

436
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: into basically what I feel like a military family at

437
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: this point, from somebody that claimed they loved my girls,

438
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: our girls. If it would have been possible for her

439
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: to get sentenced for both charges for twenty two years

440
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: to max, we still have. We just had twenty two

441
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: years in my eyes of safety, So right now, I

442
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: don't think it's over. Um, Well, we always think about

443
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: it with the day she gets out. Absolutely, Um, I

444
00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: don't know that it will take the till the day,

445
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: she tell I don't know. I don't know how manipulative

446
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: she can be two people while she's gone. She's had

447
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: plenty of planning for over the last six seven months too,

448
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: So who knows. Um, we just have to be alert

449
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: and be aware of our surroundings and be prepared. Guess

450
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: Alexis Torez Chuck explained to me more of what you

451
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: know was caught on tape with the perceived hit man.

452
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: So she has actually seen handing him money and I

453
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: know it's only a five dollars, but money's money, and

454
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: she was in her mind she was paying him to

455
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,239
Speaker 1: kill the mother of her stepchildren. So she then is

456
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: she's also talking with the police officer all that she

457
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: doesn't know he's a police officer, and she's coming up

458
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: with ideas about the way to kill him. So she

459
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: then she says, oh, well, gosh, I'm sorry to kill her.

460
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: She's all stick her in a wood chipper, and then

461
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: she laughs like she says, oh no, I'm just kidding,

462
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: like she is put her in a wood chipper. Let

463
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: me ask you this, All those types were introduced at trial.

464
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: Joel Brodsky, the model accused murder for hire, claims that

465
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: her so called sexy courtroom outfits turned a jury against her.

466
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: She claims that the clothing and accessories she wore in trial,

467
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: towering Stiletto's a giant diamond ring, influenced the jury's opinion

468
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: of her quote, they were worried about my wardrobe rather

469
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: than what was really going on for me, That's what

470
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: she told inside edition. Juries are strange things. Uh, you know,

471
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I've I've always been amazed how they will

472
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: look at things like the appearance of the defendant and

473
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: factor that into their decision when it's probably the least

474
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: relevant thing that happens. Only things really relevant of the facts, uh,

475
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: in the case and the testimony and the evidence. But

476
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: you know it's a possibility. Uh you know, I'm she's

477
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: wearing the thousand dollars shoes and she tires a hitman

478
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: for a hundred and twenty five dollars. It's you know,

479
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: maybe the jury are you still on the one. It's

480
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: just I don't care about it means nothing to me.

481
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: It's just such a ridiculous amount. But then't even yeah,

482
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,479
Speaker 1: I mean clearly, how somebody appears in to a jury,

483
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: the jury is taken into account. Lawyers are usually very

484
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: careful about making sure that their clients before a jury

485
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: are dressed appropriately. If you have a client who's in custody,

486
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: he has a constitutional right to not appear before the

487
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: jury in prison. Guard so and for that reason, I

488
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: always kept a blue jacket and a pair of slacks

489
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: and hope they fit everybody. For defendants that the morning

490
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 1: of trial would claim they didn't have clothes. The white

491
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: and black check a dress got a lot of publicity.

492
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: That's the dress that actually sold out everywhere because people

493
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: saw you wearing it in court. Apparently, yes, do you

494
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: think the way she was dressed in court every day

495
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 1: influenced the jury. Juries pick up on things, and when

496
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: you're in a court of law, you're not in a discotheque,

497
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: and you want to dress accordingly. I want to head

498
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: straight back to the courtroom. The jury convicted in a

499
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: very short time, like forty five minutes. The defense immediately

500
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: said the jury held her good looks against her. Now

501
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: take a listen to the poor little rich girl who

502
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: flashed a diamond ring and stiletto heels at a jury

503
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: after asking caught on tape to have her husband's ex

504
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: fed to a wood chipper. Kelly Sewn and your kids,

505
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: I am, it's really sorry for the harm that my

506
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: actions have caused. I never intended for the situation to

507
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: get so out of control, but it did, and I

508
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: do accept full responsibility for it. If I could go

509
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: back to the future, if I had a time machine,

510
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: I would go back in time and this obviously would

511
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: have never happened. But I can't. I can only move

512
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: forward and prove that I'm not the monster portrayed in

513
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: this trial. And I apologize to my husband, Brandon, and

514
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: to my own family for the hardship that they have

515
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: endured and will endure because of my actions. While the

516
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: jury was told not to consider mercy, I hope that

517
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: this court can consider it. I do humbly request that

518
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: this honorable Court to carefully weigh and consider Dr Brahm's

519
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: report and the letter to you from Connie Chamberlain. They agree,

520
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: and I fear that I will not receive proper mental

521
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: health treatment while in prison. Thank you m to here

522
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: and Stark, renowned New York psychologists joining us. Kelly Cook,

523
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: the victim says that because Tara Lambert's case was reversed,

524
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: she and her two girls, her two little girls, are

525
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 1: living in fear. Do you blame them? Well, I don't

526
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: blame them at all, because, unlike what's being said, I suspect.

527
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: I mean, she really wanted this woman harmed. So if

528
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: she hadn't been able to have that happen through the

529
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: police person and this had been real, I think that

530
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: what she would have done was just go on and

531
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: find somebody who would do it. She's very determined, Nancy,

532
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: and we have to keep that in mind. This is

533
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: not a harmless um stupid model who doesn't know what

534
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: she's doing. She knew exactly what she was doing, but

535
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: it's her. What's her motivation really? Just you know, to

536
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: have the person killed? Or was it just to end

537
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: the divorce litigation? Because domestic litigation is so stressful. To

538
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: be the divorce, I mean they were the X was

539
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: already remarried. She they're married, but she wanted Yeah, they

540
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: were fighting over custody and visitation. Listen to stressful. Of course,

541
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: it's stressful. So what you don't have to feed somebody

542
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: to a which shipper Joel Brodsky, No, but it showed you,

543
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: which I don't know if her motivation was so much

544
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: that you wanted to hurt this person as you wanted

545
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: the litic, domestic the custody battle to end. And she

546
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: didn't care how it ended, obviously, But I don't know

547
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: if her motivation was really to hurt the mother of

548
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: the step children as much as it was just to

549
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: end the litigation, because it's so stressful. It's they say

550
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: that the domestic relations litigation is the second most stressful

551
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 1: thing to losing a loved one, uh, you know, And

552
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: so everybody motivation wasn't necessarily harm as much as it

553
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: was just wanting to get out of court. Tara Lambert

554
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: has looks to kill, and according to a jury, that's

555
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: exactly what she wanted to do. The tall, thin woman

556
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: had a ponytail and a low cut T shirt, opened

557
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: the passenger door of her Monte Carlo partner, the KFC,

558
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: and slid into the front seat. A stranger was behind

559
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: the wheel wearing sunglasses and an American flag T shirt.

560
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: And then he got right to it. What's going on?

561
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: And I'm quoting from the tapes, I hear you have

562
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: a problem. Tara Lambert is heard giggling, I've got to

563
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: had a problem for seven years. The problem was named

564
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: Kelly Cook, the mother of Lambert's two teenage stepdaughters, and,

565
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: as Brothsky points out, years of acrimony came to a

566
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: head during a hearing over visitation rights, and it didn't

567
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: go well for Lambert and her husband. So on that

568
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: very afternoon, one private Facebook message to a high school friend,

569
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: Tara Lambert set into motion a plan like that little

570
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 1: town had never seen before. She wanted Kelly Cook dead

571
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: and was willing to pay an assassin to do it.

572
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: It's all caught on audio. She says, quote, Oh my god,

573
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: excuse me, Lord, just put her in a chopper, you know,

574
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: like one of those Lumberjack chopper things. That's how much

575
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: I hate her though. Okay, right there in the shadow

576
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: of a Walmart sign when people coming in and out

577
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: of KFC, she wants to have a murder planned. Joe's

578
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: got Morgan. Could you remind Joel Brodsky what happens to

579
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: it if your body is fed? Sure? Sure it's not.

580
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: It's actually very bloody. Uh. It's gotten multiple teeth in

581
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 1: it that that spend it several thousand revolutions. Uh, per second,

582
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: and it it literally disintegrates a body, throwing flesh, sinew, bone,

583
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: blood obviously, uh, and muscle tissue all over the place. Uh.

584
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: The amount of forensic evidence that she generated one of

585
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: these things is is quite amazing. I tell you something

586
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: else that really strikes me about this. It seems as

587
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: though that this pretty little miss didn't want to get

588
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: her own hands dirty. If she just wanted to go

589
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: hurt this lady, why didn't she just go get a

590
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: Louisville slugger on her own and cracker on the jaw

591
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: and say stay away from my family or stop talking

592
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: bad about me around town. No, this this woman wanted

593
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: to absolutely have this woman's body destroyed. And I think

594
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: that that goes to, uh, it goes to really this

595
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: kind of narcissistic behavior that she's in gauged. Yeah, hold on, guys,

596
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to the courtroom

597
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: to relay the extremely deep and long last time textus

598
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 1: has had on our families. Almost impossible. We were blessed

599
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: to be the parents of a twenty month ood boy

600
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: as well as three girls. They just five, fourteen, sixteen.

601
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: So we hope the cool realizes this that there isn't

602
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: only one victor. The two oldest children out of relationship

603
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: with us defendant and the knowledge that she wanted to

604
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: take their mother's life as well their stepfathers has been

605
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: irreparable damage. Steamen wanted to take into a children's Mommylar

606
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: so the two children to grow up without doing so.

607
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: The support not the mother, Our families, friends, community have

608
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: suffered long enough and from miss Lamora. Please let the

609
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: healing begin. It's gonna take a very long time. There

610
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: is nothing but a fully and it's time it can

611
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: take a stand against people like this. Please do it

612
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: our sugar, compassion or consideration as she has known for rooms.

613
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: Please do not have to use the same first time offender.

614
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: She's offended Mini Mini third, done at all, but she

615
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: has never been. Now listen to this. Here's an odd twist.

616
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: The targeted couple, the victims that would be Kelly and

617
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: Sean Cook, and the police informant have become close friends.

618
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: These things happen in the midst of the anxiety, the

619
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: battle of trial. The trio sat down with Crime Watch

620
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: Daily to discuss it all. Listen, how did the three

621
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: of you come to be friends? I mean, this is

622
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: an unlikely friendship. When somebody saves your life, you feel

623
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: like you then that to give it back to them,

624
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, I think since the day we met, I mean,

625
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: it's we talk all the time. Family. Who wasn't for her,

626
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be here. So and as it turns out,

627
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: we may not have even seen the worst of terrorist depravity.

628
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: Is a plot that could have been ripped out of

629
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: the most extreme Hollywood film. I mean, kill her and

630
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: throw her in a in a lumber chopper. It's unbelievable stuff.

631
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: There's like that. There is a whole lot to the

632
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: other videos that they didn't even show on film that

633
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: she says. I mean a lot, a lot that would

634
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: make your body cringe just hearing her say that. What

635
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: is even worse than what we've we've heard? I mean,

636
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it was worse than the wood chopper,

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Speaker 1: but she was talking about cutting out her breath and

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Speaker 1: plans and gifting them to me. What yes, yes? How

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Speaker 1: does it feel for you now, having done everything that

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Speaker 1: you did, working so closely with police to really potentially

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Speaker 1: have saved two lives? How do I feel just grateful,

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Speaker 1: just grateful that their family and then that they're okay,

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Speaker 1: but in a sad PostScript, Jenny's own life has taken

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Speaker 1: a turn for the worse. I get a lot of oh,

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Speaker 1: you're an arc um. You snitched her out, um, you

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Speaker 1: set her up, you talked her into doing this, and

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Speaker 1: constantly looking over my shoulder and constantly making sure there's

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Speaker 1: no one following me. I hate for her. She'd you know,

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Speaker 1: done the right thing. And then people kind of pointing

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Speaker 1: their finger at her, like you shouldn't have done this,

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Speaker 1: Like if it went't for her, her little boy wouldn't

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Speaker 1: know us. I mean, it's the total opposite of what

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Speaker 1: it should be. We're getting all the praise and she's

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Speaker 1: she's filming the repercussions of well being the good guy. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's use this opportunity, then to set the records right.

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Speaker 1: Far from being a snitch. You want the world to

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Speaker 1: say Jenny as a hero? Absolutely, absolutely, And we don't

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Speaker 1: like the title, but she is. I mean, she's always

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Speaker 1: gonna be our hero. Jenny. Why don't you like that

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Speaker 1: title of being a hero? I just did want any

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Speaker 1: decent human being would have done. I want to remind

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Speaker 1: everybody's something. You may have a cover girl on one

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Speaker 1: side of the courtroom. On the other side is Kelly Cook,

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Speaker 1: a thirty two year old wife and mother of four,

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Speaker 1: a school bus driver. And that's not easy. My grandfather

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Speaker 1: was a school bus driver, among many other jobs he did,

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Speaker 1: and she, one of her four children was still a baby.

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Speaker 1: Now I just want to I I know I've got

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Speaker 1: a big time longer with me Joel Brodsky forensic expert,

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Speaker 1: a psychologist, an investigative reporter. But for those of you listening,

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Speaker 1: I want you to think about what your mother means

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Speaker 1: to you. And all you mothers out there, think about

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Speaker 1: how your child would be raised without you, and all

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Speaker 1: you fathers, all you sons. Think about it. What your

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Speaker 1: mother means to you, her love tera Lambert, if she

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Speaker 1: herself is to be believed. I wanted to tear a

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Speaker 1: thirty two year old mom away from her four children,

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Speaker 1: a mother that drives to school bus to support those children.

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Speaker 1: And now she says, oh, the jury found me guilty

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Speaker 1: because of my good lucks. You know what have at

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Speaker 1: at second time around as the retrial begins, you're out

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Speaker 1: of control. This is fine. The first time in your life,

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Speaker 1: now here thirty three years made, you've come in front

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Speaker 1: of somebody who's taking control, will taking control of your

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Speaker 1: life and secret No, you're not gonna do that. But

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Speaker 1: young saying about is fair to Rod's blow child. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of homely roof. As a result of that, you

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Speaker 1: rephrase be the order with Courtney's lamage, with this offense

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Speaker 1: that you're standing committed. Mary's a girl informatory for women

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Speaker 1: who were period of seven years are your court cause

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Speaker 1: from which executions your bio awarding. Alexis Tourez chut Radar Online,

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Speaker 1: Karen Start, New York psychologist Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics

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Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State University and my Sparring partner, renowned Chicago

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Speaker 1: defense attorney Joel Brodsky. Thank you, Nancy Grace Crime Stories,

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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,