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Speaker 1: Hi, It's Matt Donaldly, senior film writer at Variety, stepping

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Speaker 1: in for this week's Strictly Business podcast. Today, we have

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Speaker 1: a keynote conversation from last month's Variety Entertainment Marketing summit

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Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles, and it's a really interesting look

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Speaker 1: at the brand power of actress and producer gabriel Union,

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Speaker 1: specifically her ambassadorship with the Peril Company New York and Company.

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Speaker 1: Enjoying my chat with Gabrielle. Welcome, Thank you so much, um,

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Speaker 1: and you have like nothing going on right at me? Slow,

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Speaker 1: easy time. I got fifty two jobs. But now always

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Speaker 1: time for always time for Variety and you thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. People who are trapped here? Have you always

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Speaker 1: time for that? Um? Well, we want to get into

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Speaker 1: everything I'm going on, including this incredible partnership with New

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Speaker 1: York and Company, your own production company that just started

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Speaker 1: that you're selling like hotcakes, and so much going on,

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Speaker 1: but I wanted to start by you said something so interesting, UM,

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Speaker 1: that when this opportunity came to specifically with New York

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Speaker 1: and Company, you were You said you were at a

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Speaker 1: point in your life where you didn't think this would

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Speaker 1: ever really happened. In terms of your market viability, your power,

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Speaker 1: and your and your influence on the partnership. Can you

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Speaker 1: just talk about that and why you thought that was well?

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Speaker 1: Basically they tell you that after honey, hang it up,

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Speaker 1: you know, get prepared to play like you know, long suffering,

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Speaker 1: you know mothers who set up jokes and you don't

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Speaker 1: get to you know, you don't get to be a star,

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Speaker 1: your past, the ingeneous stage, um, your best days behind

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Speaker 1: you as brand ambassadors unless you know you can sell

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Speaker 1: you know, bleach or whatever cleaning product. Um, but you're

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Speaker 1: you're not. They don't ever position it as being in

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Speaker 1: a position of power. So here I am at this time,

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Speaker 1: I think it was forty three, forty four, um, and

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Speaker 1: Gregg the CEO of New York and Company, you know,

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Speaker 1: came to me and was like, we are looking for

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Speaker 1: a new brand ambassador. We would love to create a

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Speaker 1: Gabrielle union line and we want you to be the

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Speaker 1: face of Seventh Avenue. And I was sort of in

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Speaker 1: disbelief because I was like, wait, I'm you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm a little I wasn't bring it on, but I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm a grown as woman. Are you sure like we're

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Speaker 1: not We're not supposed to be getting these offers. I'm

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Speaker 1: not supposed to be having this career resurgence. I'm not

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Speaker 1: supposed to My value isn't supposed to be this high.

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Speaker 1: So I had to kind of reimagine my own self worth. UM,

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Speaker 1: so I could step into this partnership um full voice, uh,

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Speaker 1: in my full power and create the brand partnership of

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Speaker 1: my dreams amazing. And at that point I think you were, like,

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Speaker 1: you had this incredible sort of niche success and being

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Speaker 1: Mary Jane was this like discovery for so many people,

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Speaker 1: and you were in the middle of that. Like Gabra

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Speaker 1: Soon's we should say, um, what was important to you

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Speaker 1: and what values? Because I think you're someone's highly representative

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Speaker 1: of intersectional identities, right, what was important for you in

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Speaker 1: that partnership that you had to had to either like

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Speaker 1: early there before you would move forward. Are you know

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Speaker 1: when people say our values have to be aligned, but

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Speaker 1: they really don't mean that. It really just means will

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Speaker 1: the check clear and will you stay off my back

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Speaker 1: and just um fund my vacations. But for me, I

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Speaker 1: my book, Um, you know, We're gonna need more wine?

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Speaker 1: And I was, I was just in a space of

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Speaker 1: I'm tired of wearing this mask. I'm tired of being

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Speaker 1: a dancing clown for a check. I'm tired of having

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Speaker 1: to be aligned with companies that don't actually value me

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Speaker 1: or anyone that looks like me, or who's interested in

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Speaker 1: telling the truth. Um. Once I realized all of those

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Speaker 1: things were actually in place, and they were okay with

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Speaker 1: a black woman from Omaha, Nebraska who has fallen down

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Speaker 1: and failed miserably, very publicly, many many times, but who

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Speaker 1: owns it and is accountable, and who's who's still committed

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Speaker 1: to being a truth teller? Um, you still want me

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Speaker 1: to be a part of your company? I got a

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Speaker 1: book called We're Gonna Need More Wine? Are you? Are

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Speaker 1: you sure? Um? And and uh, I wanted I wanted

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Speaker 1: you know, success story, not in spite of being a

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Speaker 1: truth teller. I don't speak in weird cliches. I'm not

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Speaker 1: I actually believe in. Where us and I'm a part

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Speaker 1: let and and and help me help you. And that's

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Speaker 1: what exactly what I got with with a New York

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Speaker 1: and company. Absolutely, and what I mean obviously is somebody

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Speaker 1: who does the job you do. Fashion was not you

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Speaker 1: were not a stranger to fashion or to carpets or

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Speaker 1: too styling. What was in to you when you actually

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Speaker 1: got to the drawing board? Literally, like this is what

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Speaker 1: multiple washings, things that you don't have to dry clean UM,

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, I have a very large family,

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Speaker 1: or they didn't make sizes that fit them. And those

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Speaker 1: companies that I was promoting for free had no interest

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Speaker 1: in real diversity or inclusion UM in their in their

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Speaker 1: marketing plan. UM. A lot of companies that that we

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Speaker 1: promote for free, their business model is exclusion UM. I

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Speaker 1: wanted the absolute opposite UM. And for I have a

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Speaker 1: an outfit that costs the same as my mortgage payment.

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Speaker 1: That's not smart. That's not I don't want to leave

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Speaker 1: money on the table, and being exclusionaries is not a

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Speaker 1: smart business. It's also a shitty thing to do. But

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Speaker 1: it's also careful for business you just introduced. But are

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Speaker 1: not squash, right, that's what you're wiping off of, But

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Speaker 1: also horrible for your bottom line, and so obviously you're

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Speaker 1: living proof that this is opening up this market has

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Speaker 1: you find that you approached the design process and sort

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Speaker 1: It's Elie's finest female rebooted bad boys. You can get

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Speaker 1: your new production company, I think it's all have another.

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Speaker 1: I'll have another, I'll have another Yes, a theme see

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Speaker 1: there drinking. Um, do you approach storytelling and through clothing

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Speaker 1: I want to wear. I want to design clothes that

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Speaker 1: but you're gonna get paid and be respected along the way. UM.

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Speaker 1: So you've been along with this process, even you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm putting you in a position so you can produce

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Speaker 1: be pitching shows, you can be running your own rooms.

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Speaker 1: And we're giving you that on the job experience that

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Speaker 1: a lot of other production companies and and productions don't

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Speaker 1: don't believe in. Absolutely, I think of a really game

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Speaker 1: changing moment for you. But's breaking in of the you

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Speaker 1: said with Nike on a Mike Rasier and now listen,

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Speaker 1: if a job affects my peace, my brace and and

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Speaker 1: my joy, that is not a dream job. It's a check.

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Speaker 1: All money ain't good money. So you have to figure

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Speaker 1: out what that is for yourself. And so my tenure

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Speaker 1: plan moving forward is to continue having these sometimes very painful,

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Speaker 1: lowest you know, base amount that's not actual progress or

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Speaker 1: need new dreams. So I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: about product, you know, products and ideas and innovation, UM.

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Speaker 1: And I challenge you all to put your money where

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Speaker 1: that you're actually trying to serve. In a nutshell wod um.

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Speaker 1: I'll just end by saying Union and thank than you

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Speaker 1: so much, Gabrielle Union. This has been another episode of

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Speaker 1: Strictly Business. Tune in next week for another helping a

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