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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us
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Speaker 1: already for the start of another broadcast day Talking Cowboys
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Speaker 1: when Mickey finally sits down and puts a headset on,
Speaker 1: we'll get started with Talking Cowboys. It's the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: the New York Jets this week. Bill Jones, Brian brought
Speaker 1: us Rob Phillips and Mickey Spagnola. Do you know I
Speaker 1: can hear without him? Oh? You can't. Yeah, Well, welcome
Speaker 1: to the show. Mickey. How are you. I'm good, I'm
Speaker 1: rushing all right? Yes? And uh Rob, how are you
Speaker 1: doing great? Great? I'm ready? All right, you're ready and
Speaker 1: Brian has been ready. I'm always ready. Let's go. He
Speaker 1: is ready to go? All right. I need I was
Speaker 1: just taking a segment with Will McClay that you can
Speaker 1: see on The Jason Garrett Show. And right here on
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com later in the week. So I
Speaker 1: missed Jason Garrett, and so did the coach shed any
Speaker 1: light on anything for us? Doesn't sound like you're going
Speaker 1: to see much from Tyrn Smith or Lyle Collins today.
Speaker 1: That doesn't necessarily mean one or both won't play Sunday,
Speaker 1: but as they get back in pads today, you're probably
Speaker 1: not going to see him maybe a little bit. Actually,
Speaker 1: he said Tyrone would probably do something little something something.
Speaker 1: You didn't say, little something, walk off. Okay, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a that's a that's a shot at me. That's
Speaker 1: a shot. No, that's why we're late. You got that
Speaker 1: information because we're late. Yeah, that's right, that's why Bicky
Speaker 1: showed up late. I think I think there's I think
Speaker 1: there's a sense of urgency for Tyren Smith to get back.
Speaker 1: You know, there needs to be, and you know, if
Speaker 1: they have to know with Lyle Collins, you know, his
Speaker 1: his situation's a little bit different right now. Tough guy.
Speaker 1: You know, he'll do what he has to do. But
Speaker 1: if Smith can line up at left tackle, and then
Speaker 1: also then you turn around and you get Cam Fleming
Speaker 1: will have to most likely play at right tackle, they'll
Speaker 1: get night ready. But you know, to me, having Tyron
Speaker 1: Smith on that left side, it just I think it's
Speaker 1: it's such a comforting thing for Dak Prescott. And you know,
Speaker 1: if you go and watch the Packer game, yeah, where
Speaker 1: there's some throws that he wants back, where's some times
Speaker 1: where he's rushed. Yeah, absolutely, But just the uncertainty at
Speaker 1: the left tackle spot I think affected him in that game.
Speaker 1: So you know, having Tyron Smith there to be able
Speaker 1: to handle, you know, the Jets. Jason Garrett said it
Speaker 1: today that Jets have got some some I think if
Speaker 1: you look at their team, the strength of their team
Speaker 1: would be like on that defensive line with what we
Speaker 1: and we got into that a little bit yesterday with
Speaker 1: you know, with the Leonard Williams and guys like that,
Speaker 1: Quinnon Williams, you know, those those those defensive linemen are
Speaker 1: are some some quality players there. And I feel like
Speaker 1: though that having that left tackle spot solidified would it
Speaker 1: would definitely help Dak Prescott's confidence, not that he lacks confidence,
Speaker 1: but the confidence to know that he could stand in
Speaker 1: that pocket and make some of those throws like we've
Speaker 1: seen him make before. Got sacked three times last week.
Speaker 1: I think he'd been sacked three times total. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: all previous four games. So for sure, Um, we'll see
Speaker 1: on Lyle And it sounds pretty good for Antoine Woods
Speaker 1: this week too. Yeah. I think Antoine Woods is a
Speaker 1: go I do. I mean, he practiced Friday and they
Speaker 1: just determined that he just didn't have that. He was
Speaker 1: just a half tick slow to where he you know,
Speaker 1: reactions and lateral movement and stuff. He pract They watched
Speaker 1: him and they said, you know what, maybe another week
Speaker 1: will help you here. And you know they're not going
Speaker 1: to put anybody out there hurt, but that they just determined, hey,
Speaker 1: another week and you know, good opportunity to get him
Speaker 1: back in the lineup with Leveon Bell. We'll see if
Speaker 1: the Jets can run the ball at all. Maybe they won't.
Speaker 1: Maybe they can't, but you know, you're dealing with a
Speaker 1: back that is a lot better than the guy you
Speaker 1: played last week. We'll see if the Jets offensive line
Speaker 1: could be as physical as the Packers were. That's still
Speaker 1: a big question mark for them. Mickey gave you the
Speaker 1: numbers yesterday. They don't run the ball well. They're lasting
Speaker 1: most every category offensively, they do get their quarterback back.
Speaker 1: But they do have in their mind, they do have to.
Speaker 1: They can watch that packer tape say well, if we
Speaker 1: can get hat on hat and we can do this
Speaker 1: and do this, maybe we can run the football. So
Speaker 1: you just you have to be ready for that as well.
Speaker 1: Wood's missed two games three, three is missed three yep.
Speaker 1: So normally when you sprain your MCL, it's two to four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's kind of what it's been. Although, um, Kyle Uschak,
Speaker 1: the fullback with the Niners, believe they're six. They're saying
Speaker 1: four to six on him, of course, not ls, not
Speaker 1: all the same. Yeah, so and his is really bad yeah, yeah, man.
Speaker 1: In fact, they were they were concerned that it was
Speaker 1: an ACL the other night. It turns out to be
Speaker 1: an mcl, and so he has a chance of coming back.
Speaker 1: They need all these guys back. You're you're past the
Speaker 1: point now of okay, we can get with guys ready
Speaker 1: for Philadel. You gotta go out and win a football
Speaker 1: game this week. Yeah. I don't want to hear that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to hear again.
Speaker 1: And you're talking to captain must win right here, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm I'm that guy. But you're past the
Speaker 1: point of saying I don't care if they win by
Speaker 1: one point next week, Go get a win and then
Speaker 1: and then start trying to put some together like you
Speaker 1: did the first three weeks of the season. I don't
Speaker 1: care who the opponent is. Just go find a way
Speaker 1: to win. That's the bottom line in this thing. You know,
Speaker 1: we're not here for style points. We're not trying to
Speaker 1: win the AP National Championship here. We're just trying to
Speaker 1: win games. And you got to figure out a way
Speaker 1: to do that. And you have to stop the run,
Speaker 1: throw the ball, run the ball, whatever you have to do,
Speaker 1: go find a way to win a game, because that's
Speaker 1: that's the only thing that matters here. That's the only
Speaker 1: thing you gotta remember. You're on the road, right so
Speaker 1: you got to treat it like you're playing the Patriots. Yes,
Speaker 1: you have. Every every game has to have that intensity
Speaker 1: You've got. You've got two games coming up before a bye.
Speaker 1: The bye will give you an opportunity hopefully to heal,
Speaker 1: but you better make sure that you find a way
Speaker 1: to try and get these two games. It starts this week.
Speaker 1: I can imagine the Jets being old juice Stoup for
Speaker 1: this game. You're you're owing four, but you're getting your quarterback. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and you're head coach. He's the best player. He's the
Speaker 1: best player they got on the team. Absolutely, So I
Speaker 1: mean that that would naturally give your locker room a
Speaker 1: little bit of juice. And you're playing at home, so yeah,
Speaker 1: you got to be ready to play. They happened won
Speaker 1: a game yet, so they're they're they're due. Some's gonna fallow.
Speaker 1: And when they had their car and when they had
Speaker 1: their quarterback the first game of the year, they were
Speaker 1: ahead sixteen to nothing on the Buffalo Bills, who got
Speaker 1: off to a three and oh start and played the
Speaker 1: Patriots a close game or fourth game of the year. Right,
Speaker 1: and go back and watch that game, and you see
Speaker 1: the difference. You see the difference with him in the
Speaker 1: pocket being able to you know, he's not a big scrambler,
Speaker 1: but he can move around by time, and he can
Speaker 1: make every thrust in places he can be Romo like
Speaker 1: in the way he extends plays and then finds a
Speaker 1: receiver downfield. Yeah, but he didn't throw it very far.
Speaker 1: He averaged four point three an attempt in that game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: an attempt. Well, the protect he's capable of throwing it
Speaker 1: far his problem. Theys rob saying that they don't know,
Speaker 1: they've got some issues. They've already they're they're they're averaging
Speaker 1: six sacks a game. Yeah, and you know if Dallas
Speaker 1: goes out there and flops around and gets two sacks
Speaker 1: and it's you know, but the bottom line, win, find
Speaker 1: a way to win whatever however you need to do that.
Speaker 1: And I'm tired of you know, well this and this
Speaker 1: and this and mistakes and all that. Go out there
Speaker 1: and play. Go out there and play like you're capable
Speaker 1: of playing. Go out there and protect the football. Go
Speaker 1: out there and play run defense. I mean, on my
Speaker 1: film thing yesterday, showed them capable. I showed how Yeah,
Speaker 1: they awful on this play, but watch what they do
Speaker 1: on this play. They're capable of playing good run defense.
Speaker 1: You know, how much do they miss Antoine Woods on
Speaker 1: the part they miss anybody that can make plays. He
Speaker 1: has the capability, along with Collins, to affect the middle
Speaker 1: of the field. He you know, he could be a
Speaker 1: hard guy to block. He could be disruptive. I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people are getting on Collins. They're saying, oh,
Speaker 1: you guys oversold Collins. You know, you know he was
Speaker 1: playing well. You watch him matched up against Zack Martin,
Speaker 1: who hadn't given up anything all year. He was playing
Speaker 1: well against those guys in training camp and stuff. So
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see how it plays out. But yeah,
Speaker 1: having him in there is better than you know. And
Speaker 1: nothing gets Christian company, But Christian Covington is a guy
Speaker 1: that has They got him as a backup guy, a
Speaker 1: rotational player. You play him fifteen to eighteen, twenty plays
Speaker 1: a game, does just fine for you, But see what
Speaker 1: has to happen in the middle there especially, I think,
Speaker 1: as woods best trait is to hold up offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: take on blocks, take on blocks, because square, when you
Speaker 1: let those guys get off the line of scrimmage, then
Speaker 1: you're sitting there going, well, why are my linebackers not
Speaker 1: playing well? Now? I know they miss some fits, but
Speaker 1: they're getting offensive linemen on them. And you've got three
Speaker 1: hundred thirty pounds against two hundred and fifty. It's a mismatch.
Speaker 1: So Woods will eat up some of those guys, I think,
Speaker 1: and do a better job of doing it, you hope.
Speaker 1: So but back to the Jets be where the under
Speaker 1: the winless team. I'm telling you, at some point they're
Speaker 1: going to win one. Yeah, he was getting pushed it.
Speaker 1: It wasn't good and knows yeah, but they tried like
Speaker 1: they have to. It's it's because Woods. You gotta shuffle
Speaker 1: guys around inside. And that's why, you know, I think,
Speaker 1: to me, you could say what you want about Crawford.
Speaker 1: People kill him all the time for what he does
Speaker 1: because they know how much money he makes, and he didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, But to me, there were things that he
Speaker 1: was able to do getting up the field, being disruptive.
Speaker 1: You know, he's not getting in on tackles, but he's
Speaker 1: being disruptive to a point. If one guy's doing their
Speaker 1: job and three others aren't, then the defense is going
Speaker 1: to look bad. And that's the problem they had in
Speaker 1: the running game again, I showed you a play. When
Speaker 1: everybody plays their technique, when everybody plays square, they're capable
Speaker 1: of stopping people from running the football. I went back
Speaker 1: and watched it and it reminded me of what Tyrone
Speaker 1: said after the game. You know, you give the Packers
Speaker 1: some credit, but really he said, if we do what
Speaker 1: we're supposed to do, exact. The offense is never supposed
Speaker 1: to have any type of success if we just the
Speaker 1: whole gap thing is this has happened. This has been
Speaker 1: the t shirt. Do what you're supposed to do. You know,
Speaker 1: if that's too long of a team, but that's I mean,
Speaker 1: every this team hurts itself more than the opponents hurt himself.
Speaker 1: You know, it really does. If they if they we
Speaker 1: have seen them make play after play after play movable
Speaker 1: and then what happens mistake, mistake, killer mistake. They don't
Speaker 1: make just mistakes, they make killer mistakes. You know how
Speaker 1: many plays that Christian Covington was on the field against
Speaker 1: Green Bay forty according to Pro Football Records, fifty one
Speaker 1: play defensive place and fifty the week before, forty one
Speaker 1: the week before that. So when you haven't had antwe woods.
Speaker 1: And the reason I bring it up, I was just
Speaker 1: with Will McClay and so every week on the Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett Show, I try to come up with an under
Speaker 1: the radar guy that's kind of the unsung star of
Speaker 1: the week. And he quickly said Christian Covington. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: you know he was credited with three tackles, two for
Speaker 1: loss in this game. He's on. But I think what
Speaker 1: he's getting at he is on the field for fifty
Speaker 1: one place. He wasn't signed to be a fifty one
Speaker 1: step a game player, and he could help He could
Speaker 1: clearly help him at that one technique spot. But when
Speaker 1: you have Woods and him playing, they're both going to
Speaker 1: be more effective. They're both gonna be more effective that way.
Speaker 1: That's the play five. Yeah, exactly exactly. It happened to
Speaker 1: Antoine last year. I think he got to a point
Speaker 1: where it was like, man, he is eating up so
Speaker 1: many snaps. They need somebody else to help in that rotation.
Speaker 1: That's when they when out got Covington. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean fifty snaps in the middle of that line, taking
Speaker 1: on double teams and doing all this. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: it's not easy, not easy, and so anyway, you know,
Speaker 1: But the interesting thing is on the run defense. People
Speaker 1: are harping run defense this week because of what happened
Speaker 1: in Sunday's game, But if you look around, you know
Speaker 1: they're stats for the whole season and they run defense
Speaker 1: ranks up there in the top ten in the league. Ye.
Speaker 1: But but but they had games where they were playing
Speaker 1: they were way ahead and some teams weren't running the
Speaker 1: football against Trust me, Green Bay's stats would have been
Speaker 1: a lot worse playing against the run if Dallas would
Speaker 1: have been even with them in that exactly, or Dallas
Speaker 1: would have happened in that game. So those those statistics
Speaker 1: can be very misleading, especially this early in the season.
Speaker 1: Just like the question about Zeke's low rushing totals in
Speaker 1: his career. I mean, they've had their had big leads,
Speaker 1: or they've been way behind like last week, so it's hard. Well,
Speaker 1: they couldn't run the ball the New Orleans game. The
Speaker 1: New Orleans game was a great example of them not
Speaker 1: being able to run the football. You know what, one
Speaker 1: hundred and seven yards Aaron Jones game, fine, but four
Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns are fine. And they weren't all one yard
Speaker 1: runs either. No, he's running from twelve fifteen yards out
Speaker 1: in the end zone untouched. Now that's what's discourtags you well.
Speaker 1: And the other thing about the run defense, if you
Speaker 1: look back over the last year, the last seventeen games,
Speaker 1: there have been six six times in the last seventeen
Speaker 1: games that the Cowboys have given up over one hundred
Speaker 1: yards rushing in a game, and those are their six
Speaker 1: losses in the last seventeen games. Well just look at
Speaker 1: the four last four losses. Six losses. Yeah, but I'm
Speaker 1: saying route from from the you know, the only one
Speaker 1: they lost the last eight games, but even the tennis
Speaker 1: one six last year counting playoffs, and you go back
Speaker 1: to the last seventeen their record is eleven and six
Speaker 1: and those six losses are the only time they've given
Speaker 1: up over one hundred yards rushing in a game. So
Speaker 1: it's key stopping the rund stap it matters. Yeah, all right,
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Speaker 1: at Dallas Cowboys dot com slash app. I've learned about
Speaker 1: that game. You have to play every quarter. I thought
Speaker 1: it was just a one time thing. I was wondering
Speaker 1: why I won two weeks ago, lost to Shannon last week,
Speaker 1: but I didn't play the other three quarters. Well, I thought,
Speaker 1: you got all the questions at once? How did you two? Mickey?
Speaker 1: I got them all at one? Did you how do
Speaker 1: you do that? Because I mean I was I got
Speaker 1: beat by Shannon, and I was like, Taylor says, you
Speaker 1: got to play every quarter. So I didn't know that,
Speaker 1: So I didn't know that really the game that you
Speaker 1: played during the game he played during the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought you did it before. I did too, killed
Speaker 1: all minor I did too, you know. And then and
Speaker 1: I only get ten points, and I'm thinking, like I'm
Speaker 1: kind of a slappy for only getting ten points. And
Speaker 1: it's like that's only for the first quarter. So I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe I need to play, but I guess watching the game,
Speaker 1: I don't have total time to play to get back
Speaker 1: to look at what my score was. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: got beat by Shannon, which is never good. What's up?
Speaker 1: What are your plainting? I mean, you're playing against everybody,
Speaker 1: playing against everybody. But then I wonder why people have
Speaker 1: thirty something points? And then I've only got ten and
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, yeah, exactly, so called expert, so called Yeah,
Speaker 1: how many who's gonna have the first touchdown in the
Speaker 1: second quarter? That's like one of the questions, right, And
Speaker 1: so before the game, Yeah, yeah, it's a good game.
Speaker 1: It is a good game, but you just got to
Speaker 1: keep up with it. And I I lost. I didn't
Speaker 1: know I had. I thought it was just a one
Speaker 1: time thing. Okay, so a good note. Yeah, keep going,
Speaker 1: keep going, keep out. There was one question that I
Speaker 1: had a problem with. It was something about you had
Speaker 1: did you have to make an opinion? No, it was
Speaker 1: about that would have been easy, right, That's why I
Speaker 1: did well in essays. How you go? Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: something like this is gonna be one or less and
Speaker 1: this is exact three or more, and I'm going, well,
Speaker 1: what happened to two? Yeah? Right? That fits, Mick, right,
Speaker 1: that fits. And again that that is the free to
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Speaker 1: Brian brought us Mickey Spagnola as cannot win the cash prizes.
Speaker 1: I assume probably we just have bragging rights. That's to
Speaker 1: a ten thousand dollars grand prize. Yep, all right. As
Speaker 1: far as the Jets are concerned, Adam Gase press conference
Speaker 1: this morning J C. J. Mosley, And they haven't had him.
Speaker 1: Ye had him in that first game of the year,
Speaker 1: and he had a sixty yard interception return. They get
Speaker 1: Hernan back, They get Chris Hernan back to a really
Speaker 1: good tight end. Now, I think I saw that he's
Speaker 1: got a hamstring issue. He was getting back from a
Speaker 1: suspension and suspension the first four games of the season,
Speaker 1: and apparently he injured a hamstring in practice last week
Speaker 1: or whenever he first can he first got to come back? Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, well that could be a problem for them.
Speaker 1: Ye Now are they getting Henry Anderson back or is
Speaker 1: he still I saw him on tape the other day.
Speaker 1: I saw him on tape, so I don't know what
Speaker 1: he played by him. I think four snaps or nine
Speaker 1: snaps or something. It was a limited number of snaps
Speaker 1: last ys last for Henry Peterson. So all right, let's
Speaker 1: go to New York City and James is first up.
Speaker 1: I'm talking cowboys. Hello, James, Hey, what's up boys? How
Speaker 1: you guys doing good? Yeah? Yeah, said I heard him.
Speaker 1: Yeah they think he's out. They just stepped up there, blessing. Yeah, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: go ahead, what's on your mind? Sir? Okay, Well, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't found anything in the New York Daily News on
Speaker 1: the Jets, because I guess on Tuesday, everybody's off. I
Speaker 1: went down twelve stories and I got to the Jets
Speaker 1: story and it was from yesterday. It was from the
Speaker 1: day before, so they were already given up on the
Speaker 1: Jets covering. Remember that's just a statement on the newspaper. Industry.
Speaker 1: They've got Daniel Jones fever up there, but I'm sure,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that Dandala Jones. The NBA Championship for some
Speaker 1: reason was like the fourth story. Well, I mean, when
Speaker 1: you look at what's happening up there on Sunday, Cowboys
Speaker 1: Jets is the late afternoon game, and then I believe
Speaker 1: they'll have the Yankees game on Sunday night, hosting that
Speaker 1: game Sunday night and so wide open. Is that what
Speaker 1: you're telling me? Well, or can't you do both? But
Speaker 1: the Jets are what are the Giants? I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what the Giants are doing this week, but I believe
Speaker 1: the Jets. I mean, it's all focus is going to
Speaker 1: be on the Jets, and they're excited about the fact
Speaker 1: that they got Sam Donald back. And really, when you
Speaker 1: look at their their issues and the two point nine
Speaker 1: yards rushing per attempt for Lady On Bell Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can look at who's playing quarterback for him. When
Speaker 1: Luke Fawks playing quarterback for you, there's no threat in
Speaker 1: the passing game, none, and as many much issues as
Speaker 1: they are having on their offensive line, when they can
Speaker 1: focus in on stop of the run, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: two point nine yards an attempt. Probably, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he's been sacked in those three games. I think I
Speaker 1: saw we got sixteen times. Fault got sacked nine times,
Speaker 1: and whoever the other guy got sacked once this passed way,
Speaker 1: it's twenty three for the year. Yeah, combination of quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: that's number one in the league back by comparison, six
Speaker 1: Fox and sack sixteen times. There you go, better find
Speaker 1: a way to get some pressure then. Yeah. OK, Marcus
Speaker 1: in College station, you're next up on Talking Cowboys. Marcus. Hey,
Speaker 1: how's it going guys? Thanks? Yeah, Hey, So I got
Speaker 1: a quick question for y'all. I don't know the four
Speaker 1: details of last year of how many times we actually
Speaker 1: went downfield on the first possession. I know everybody was complaining,
Speaker 1: like we never defer, and we seem to defer more
Speaker 1: this year. And I'm not complaining about that, but I've
Speaker 1: noticed that it seems like our defense isn't playing as
Speaker 1: well because I remember last year, if I recall, right,
Speaker 1: we were going downfield and scoring a lot on that
Speaker 1: first drive. Yep, yeah, you know, and it seems like
Speaker 1: that's put our defense and a struggle. It seems like
Speaker 1: and I've noticed that, and I just want to tell
Speaker 1: Cowboys things, relax, let's hang on to the down ball
Speaker 1: and will win games. I wrote about it yesterday. The
Speaker 1: Jets don't score, do there, No, they don't. I think
Speaker 1: they lead the league in a twenty eight game drought
Speaker 1: without an opening drive touchdown. But I wrote about it yesterday.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys. I think I have thirteen points in the
Speaker 1: first quarter. That's four games, and yeah, they're not going
Speaker 1: down and scoring early. And some of it is like
Speaker 1: we've talked about, it's it's there. It's on them. I mean,
Speaker 1: Mary Cooper said it. I looked too far ahead towards
Speaker 1: the end zone. I should have had a touchdowns. He
Speaker 1: deferred every game so far this year. I can look
Speaker 1: at it up real quick. But I have the first possessions, punt, punt,
Speaker 1: field goal, punt, interception. Yeah, and I believe he's in
Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen season that they were. They were phenomenal
Speaker 1: on the first drive. Yeah, sure. I remember tracking it
Speaker 1: during the season and I was just trying to see
Speaker 1: if I could find some old tweets where I had
Speaker 1: the stats on that, because it was it was remarkable
Speaker 1: because they would start at their own twenty five, and
Speaker 1: it was like with regularity, it wasn't just a field
Speaker 1: goal drive, it's a touchdown drive to start game. It's
Speaker 1: really the third quarter. Well yeah, the third quarter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like like the third quarter this year. But look
Speaker 1: those up. Yeah, it's a really weird stat because I
Speaker 1: mean they're number one in offense in the NFL based
Speaker 1: on total yardage yardage, they're not converting that into points.
Speaker 1: And I think the last two games have just been
Speaker 1: just been totally out of whack, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: And one of the issues. Okay, there their first in
Speaker 1: total yards. You say, okay, where are they in field position?
Speaker 1: Starting field position? They are thirty first in the league
Speaker 1: and starting field position, And that gets back to not
Speaker 1: getting short fields, not getting takeaways on defense and when
Speaker 1: you have to drive seventy five eighty eighty five yards
Speaker 1: every time you get the football, Um, there's you're going
Speaker 1: to run more plays and there's more chance that you're
Speaker 1: gonna make some mistakes. And am I crazy? Did when
Speaker 1: Rod Marinoli was defensive coordinator in Chicago? Did they lead
Speaker 1: the league in turnovers every year? Or cren with Peanut
Speaker 1: Tillman and those guys have to go back to Henry Melton.
Speaker 1: But Seattle's defenses did too with Chris Richard there. So yeah,
Speaker 1: So to me, it's it's you know, is it the players,
Speaker 1: Is it luck or the is it the bounce of
Speaker 1: the ball? Is it the tip pass? You know what
Speaker 1: is it? Well, you've pointed out times this year or
Speaker 1: they've had chance, hey the other day on the goal line,
Speaker 1: if that ball does not hit Robert Quinn's head, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be Byron Jones is going to get an interception.
Speaker 1: I mean that that just shows you though the past
Speaker 1: was so poorly thrown by Rogers that it hit Quinn
Speaker 1: in the head and it and then it gets up
Speaker 1: in the air and nobody's even near it to to
Speaker 1: that's usually where you could come up with an easy interception.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's and they just haven't the tackle that
Speaker 1: a Woozier made on Jones when he tried the reverse field.
Speaker 1: Balls kind of coming loose there, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: they just have not had the breaks. And then they
Speaker 1: dropped some interceptions early when they were winning those three games.
Speaker 1: They had some drops in Washington game. I remember, you know,
Speaker 1: Heath had a couple of opportunities. They didn't need the interceptions.
Speaker 1: Did they we need him now? Oh no, absolutely. But
Speaker 1: I just remember Rod Marinelli when he was a defensive
Speaker 1: coordinator in Chicago. They were one of the test teams
Speaker 1: at Tampa always got turnovers. And people are saying, well,
Speaker 1: Rob's defense doesn't Rod's defense doesn't create turnovers. Well, maybe
Speaker 1: the players don't create turnovers. You know, maybe that's and
Speaker 1: I don't know how you you know, you evaluate guys.
Speaker 1: I remember a guy like Darren Sharper, you know, back
Speaker 1: in the day, Darren Sharper, when you watched him playing
Speaker 1: Green Bay and then in New Orleans and the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl team they had. There's some guys with the ball
Speaker 1: just gravitates towards them. They create that opportunity where the
Speaker 1: ball is just right there and then they make a
Speaker 1: pick or they pick up a fumble or something like that.
Speaker 1: A big question. We we thought that maybe that Woods
Speaker 1: would be that guy. Xavier Woods would be the type
Speaker 1: of guy. Yeah, big question we get on the mailbag.
Speaker 1: And I know you've answered this before, so I don't
Speaker 1: give it to you. But why don't they the corners
Speaker 1: turned for the ball. That's a big question by fans,
Speaker 1: especially on the heels of Anthony Brown from the well.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, when you're scrambling from behind trying to
Speaker 1: catch up, it's hard to turn and run with head
Speaker 1: turned around. You know what. And I've heard things, Rob
Speaker 1: that's the way that Chris ra Shard teaches, where you
Speaker 1: react to the hands going up, you look at the eyes,
Speaker 1: react to the hands. Right. That's what we've answered before.
Speaker 1: And that's and you know what, christ Shard gets to
Speaker 1: speak again tomorrow afternoon. You know, maybe it's one of
Speaker 1: those things you ask them again, you say, Chris, is
Speaker 1: it Is it fundamentally something that you coach to not
Speaker 1: look for the ball? Or is it? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: we look for the ball, but we do it this way,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean that's not a question on camera,
Speaker 1: but maybe it's a question on the side that you
Speaker 1: can kind of say, is there something that you're that
Speaker 1: you're saying teach, you're teaching eyes, hands up to the
Speaker 1: you know, to making the play. That's that's what I've
Speaker 1: been told before. I don't know if that philosophy has
Speaker 1: changed at all. That's what I was told by Dave Campo.
Speaker 1: It was on the heels. I'm looking to see if
Speaker 1: I still have the text from him. I'll let you
Speaker 1: look for it. They were two and one when they
Speaker 1: deferred and one and one when they've lost the toss. Okay,
Speaker 1: there you go. Surely I don't have a text from
Speaker 1: two years ago on here. Sure you do, billion an
Speaker 1: old man. But this was This was two years ago
Speaker 1: after Aaron Rodgers threw the touchdown pass over Jordan or
Speaker 1: Lewis to beat the Cowboys. In fact, what's the day today?
Speaker 1: October ninth? Okay, it was October eighth, twenty seventeen. The
Speaker 1: only reason I know that is I looked it up
Speaker 1: over the weekend. The I'm going to digress for just
Speaker 1: a second. The SMU touchdown pass to beat Tulsa and
Speaker 1: triple over time the other night by Shane Bushel. It
Speaker 1: reminded me of Aaron Rodgers touchdown pass to Davante Adams
Speaker 1: to beat the Cowboys, and so I didn't so I said, okay,
Speaker 1: actually when win that, Well, that was Aaron Rodgers last
Speaker 1: visit to AT and T Stadium. So we used it
Speaker 1: on the pregame show on Sunday morning. That's why I
Speaker 1: know this date. It was October eighth of two years
Speaker 1: What did Campos say? Campos said, get to the point
Speaker 1: Bill Campos said that went on that play, Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: looked back at Aaron Rodgers and as soon as he
Speaker 1: did that, he was beat. Right according to Campo, that
Speaker 1: they don't teach him to look back, and it's gonna
Speaker 1: quarterback like Aaron Rodgers is just gonna eat your live
Speaker 1: when you do that, you have to You're you're basically
Speaker 1: face guarding whatever, which isn't against the rules, and you're
Speaker 1: as what you're saying that Chris Richard, I guess has
Speaker 1: said hands up. Yeah, it's like when the other guy's
Speaker 1: hands go up to yep, you can't defend the pass.
Speaker 1: If you look back right, you're beat. So I think
Speaker 1: that's what Rachard probably held them. Yeah, so we've answered
Speaker 1: it before. We just get asked that. Yeah, they don't
Speaker 1: create turnovers. They don't. They don't. They don't. You know,
Speaker 1: they've I've seen guys, you know, the team practices it though.
Speaker 1: How many times you've been out? How many times during
Speaker 1: training camp? So punch the ball. I mean there's drills
Speaker 1: where Jason Garrett's got Dak Prescott running with the ball
Speaker 1: and somebody's punching the ball out of his hand. They
Speaker 1: drilled the hell out of it. Yeah, and it it
Speaker 1: just is not It is not materialized like it should be.
Speaker 1: But it was funny two years ago. Campo, as soon
Speaker 1: as that happened, he was sitting at home in Jacksonville, Florida,
Speaker 1: watching it. As soon as it happened, he texted me
Speaker 1: it was like all caps. They got to teach these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks how to have been the past. True, it's true.
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Speaker 1: read as he's had all year. You know what you
Speaker 1: guys remind me of? I think we were in San
Speaker 1: Diego ready to take off after trading camp, and the
Speaker 1: plane got there early. While we were waiting for the
Speaker 1: team to come back from the Navy Seals. We're all
Speaker 1: sitting around, and so I was sitting in the front
Speaker 1: with the pilots and they were judging everybody's landing. They
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Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. Next up. I'm talking Cowboys. Hello, Rob. Hey.
Speaker 1: You know, when I look at this offense, I see
Speaker 1: a couple of things. I see a young offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: trying to show off his stuff. You know, those guys
Speaker 1: are always auditioning, and he's trying to show, Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: the new, up and coming new Sean McVeigh and I
Speaker 1: see a quarterback kind of doing the same thing. Jack.
Speaker 1: He is these numbers thirty three, thirty four or thirty
Speaker 1: five million dollars a year, and he's trying to show
Speaker 1: that he's worth it. I mean, he takes more check
Speaker 1: answers throwing the ball. I think he's improved, but unfortunately,
Speaker 1: when to take chances, bad things can happened. And when
Speaker 1: I look at Ezekiel Elliot, I'm wondering, did we already
Speaker 1: see the best version of his zeka Emily his rookie year,
Speaker 1: you know, he was He went over sixteen hundred yards
Speaker 1: and had fifteen touchdowns. He had the longest run of sixty.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I won't talk about the suspension yet, but
Speaker 1: from there he only had fourteen hundred yards. Last year.
Speaker 1: Did anybody have any more than him on in the league? Yes?
Speaker 1: Last year no, But I'm not comparing him now. But
Speaker 1: I'm comparing him to himself. And all I'm saying is
Speaker 1: he looked physically, he looked different. He was quicker, he
Speaker 1: was more explosive, let's face it, he was like a
Speaker 1: Porsche his rookie year, and now he's more kind of
Speaker 1: like that Nation by five yards to carry. Last week
Speaker 1: he just got twelve attempts. Well, yeah, but last week
Speaker 1: was listen, I'm a Zeke fan. But last week it
Speaker 1: was a little bit of garbage time, just like, run
Speaker 1: the ball garbage time. Run the ball in the first
Speaker 1: quarter pretty much? Okay, and how many yards did wait? No,
Speaker 1: let me ask you a question right now? For stars?
Speaker 1: All right, so it's five games in. After three games,
Speaker 1: After three games, what was Dak's pace? Oh? That was
Speaker 1: on fire? Oh? Let me, Rob, Can I ask you
Speaker 1: a question? I think you're being unreasonable, Rob, Can I
Speaker 1: ask you a question? Please? Yeah? Okay, let's figure this out.
Speaker 1: Which one would you rather them? Do you want to
Speaker 1: see them run the ball more or throw the ball more?
Speaker 1: Which one would you like? I? Well, I would like
Speaker 1: to move the ball on balance. I think that's throwing
Speaker 1: the ball. Okay, we all, we all you think there's
Speaker 1: too much. Okay, but pick one? Pick one? What do
Speaker 1: you want to see them to be better at throwing
Speaker 1: it or running it? Which one? I gotta tell you.
Speaker 1: It all depends on what the defense. If you're telling
Speaker 1: me defense is going to be giving up a lot
Speaker 1: of points, they have to be able to throw the ball.
Speaker 1: If this defense is going to play like they did
Speaker 1: last year, then you run the ball more. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: this year, rob It. We know we were five games in.
Speaker 1: What do we know right now about this defense and
Speaker 1: not as good as Okay, so and the Russian smith
Speaker 1: don't look don't look like they overcame the Rams playoff game. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: but you're saying you want you would like them, but
Speaker 1: you came on, you're tell me that we need to
Speaker 1: throw the ball, that we don't need to throw the
Speaker 1: ball more here, But you just told me we need
Speaker 1: to throw the ball right. No, No, I said, if
Speaker 1: this team is only going to give up seventeen points,
Speaker 1: I think we could win more running. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: do like you did against Green Bay, where you're gonna
Speaker 1: give up a lot of points, you can't win in
Speaker 1: lit a running game. I'm with I'm with you on
Speaker 1: the balance side, and I don't want Dak Prescott throwing
Speaker 1: the ball forty four times. I'm agreeing with you on that.
Speaker 1: But but I think it all just goes around how
Speaker 1: your defense is playing. I mean, okay, we've seen it.
Speaker 1: We get a league, we run the ball. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: unfortunately last week it was thirty one three, so that
Speaker 1: took the running game right out. So if you told
Speaker 1: me this defense is gonna wake up and play like
Speaker 1: they did last year, said yes, DA does not have
Speaker 1: to throw the ball, I would definitely want to run
Speaker 1: the ball more. Okay, but I don't. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know if this defense is gonna is gonna get there?
Speaker 1: This Ben Ben don't break defenses does not work, but
Speaker 1: you don't score. And unfortunately, why we adopted that. I
Speaker 1: have no idea what all these athletes I hear and
Speaker 1: now you got you know these pass rushers. We still
Speaker 1: play like we're scared on defense, but we we don't
Speaker 1: challenge the wide receivers Binary Jones. I think it's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Do you know how many wide receiver receptions the Packers had?
Speaker 1: I know, but you always go to one game? Okay,
Speaker 1: how about the week before? How many points did they
Speaker 1: give up against the Saints? How many points did they
Speaker 1: give up against the Saints? They give up what twelve? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Thank you? Whoops are there? Okay? Okay, must be getting
Speaker 1: a phone call. Yeah, we lost you that from go ahead. Good.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about I'm not facing anything on five games.
Speaker 1: I'm basic, No, I'm not. I'm talking about last year.
Speaker 1: If this defense, like you guys were just talking about it,
Speaker 1: they don't. How do you get turnovers if you're not
Speaker 1: near the wide receivers to break the ball up. We
Speaker 1: don't see that. We play let them catch it, tackle,
Speaker 1: let them catch it, tackle, third and five, let them
Speaker 1: up if we if a Woozie I think is good enough.
Speaker 1: I think Byron Jones is good enough. All Right, the
Speaker 1: safeties over a little weekend. You got these supposedly really
Speaker 1: great linebackers. I could run up on these guys. You
Speaker 1: got pass rushes. There's no excuse this Ben don't break.
Speaker 1: We shouldn't be playing that anymore. You play that when
Speaker 1: you don't have good players. Hope it's a nice day
Speaker 1: in the day. Yeah, we started. We started with Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore trying to do too much. But everything I've heard
Speaker 1: is that they've they've tailed it back the last two
Speaker 1: games and I'm not doing as much pre snap stuff
Speaker 1: and I do. This first game, they ran the ball
Speaker 1: thirty times, they threw it thirty two. The second game
Speaker 1: they ran it thirty four times, they threw it thirty
Speaker 1: third game thirty four times through it thirty two, fourth
Speaker 1: game ran it twenty times through a thirty three and
Speaker 1: the last game got out of balance twenty one forty four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's been if they if they were if they
Speaker 1: were able to stay in a game, you know, to
Speaker 1: his point, if if okay, if the defense, if the
Speaker 1: defense continues to struggle, but but it turns it struggled
Speaker 1: in one game. No, no, no, I'm just hear me out,
Speaker 1: kay saying I know, okay, but if the defense, if
Speaker 1: we if you all of a sudden you do see
Speaker 1: a trend where they start to struggle more, then maybe
Speaker 1: the answer is to try and protect them, you know.
Speaker 1: And maybe protecting them is to try and hold the ball,
Speaker 1: to run the ball, you know, but you may not
Speaker 1: first down. No, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm
Speaker 1: being I know you are, but I'm just saying, maybe
Speaker 1: you have to find a way to really strive for
Speaker 1: balanced then to try and hold the ball away from
Speaker 1: offenses if they are having trouble. I think one game
Speaker 1: is not you know, I thought they played great against
Speaker 1: the saying everybody, I really do that because they lost
Speaker 1: the game, but they gave up ten, what twelve points? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah to me, I thought they played great in that game.
Speaker 1: But the problem again if if in fact it okay,
Speaker 1: maybe not so much the Jets, but in Philadelphia, Minnesota, Buffalo,
Speaker 1: I mean New England. You know, you're gonna have some
Speaker 1: games where but if if it turns into your defense
Speaker 1: is just not up to it, then maybe it maybe
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to say, Okay, we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: lean on Ezekiel Elliott and Tony Pollard in this offensive
Speaker 1: line a little more. And then that's where the play
Speaker 1: action game really comes in for DAK. But you know,
Speaker 1: Rod Marinelli will tell you that he's so happy they
Speaker 1: have Ezekiel Elliott because Ezekiel Elliott allows you know, he
Speaker 1: saves wear and tear on their defense, right, you know,
Speaker 1: And maybe they have to get back to it now.
Speaker 1: The Green Bay game was just a bad out of
Speaker 1: balance game because of the score. But Mickey just read
Speaker 1: off right there, it's been pretty balanced, you know, it's
Speaker 1: been pretty balanced the way they play it. Said, those
Speaker 1: the turnovers in the New Orleans game is what lost
Speaker 1: that game. You know that's what That's what lost that
Speaker 1: game really and really this last one too, because it
Speaker 1: could have been a different story and you could have
Speaker 1: had more balance if it wasn't seventeen nothing nearly in
Speaker 1: the second course, see if we'll see you know, you
Speaker 1: might see that team at the end of the year again,
Speaker 1: you know you might you might see that team. You
Speaker 1: might see the Saints at the end of the year. Too,
Speaker 1: very possible. So you gotta you know, you learned your lesson,
Speaker 1: but you know, just kind of Oh, they're doing this,
Speaker 1: and they need to do this, and they need to
Speaker 1: do this, need to do this. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I rob out there. I mean I'm I'm
Speaker 1: okay with him, but I think he was you know,
Speaker 1: you got to think, Okay, what's the one thing you
Speaker 1: can hang your hat on and say, Okay, they need
Speaker 1: to do this. That's what I was trying to get him.
Speaker 1: You want to run the ball more? Or do you
Speaker 1: want to pass the boss? Hopefully he was going to
Speaker 1: say if the maybe he did, if the defense continues
Speaker 1: to suck, I want to run the ball more. I
Speaker 1: want to try and protect them. But then he said, no,
Speaker 1: I want to throw the ball more. But he's telling
Speaker 1: me that Dax makes too many mistakes, trying to do
Speaker 1: too much. So I think Rob's frustrated. Fans of ten
Speaker 1: of the Packers points came after the two of the
Speaker 1: three turnovers. There you go. And one thing I'd like
Speaker 1: to see is some more passes to Zeke out of
Speaker 1: the backfield. Sure like that one he caught downfield over
Speaker 1: his head. He could do that, Yeah, I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: heck of a catch. That's a heck of a design
Speaker 1: of a route by Aaron Jones for them to get
Speaker 1: him outside on on a linebacker and run him inside
Speaker 1: off a pick. That's that stuff. You can see absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know, you get the same thing with Zeke and
Speaker 1: if any he's open on a lot of stuff that's
Speaker 1: says why not as an outlet guy? Why not? Well,
Speaker 1: rather the second interception, he rather taking chances on some
Speaker 1: throws than keeping keep in mind he had seventy seven
Speaker 1: catches last year's he did, he has thirteen right now,
Speaker 1: which is what a pace for forty something? So not
Speaker 1: good enough. Yep, it's not good enough, especially since they
Speaker 1: have a back that can spell him, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: which we haven't seen any we were worried about touches
Speaker 1: and wear and tear. Now you've got a guy that
Speaker 1: could can do the same. Stop absolutely all right. That
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