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Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it put? Is it put? Oh? My goodness,

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Speaker 1: Problem solved, tuckdown Tyler Murray That defender is in multiple pieces?

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Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there? Rights the latest news

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Speaker 1: and notes from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled

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Speaker 1: by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling. Bring it on, Bring

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Speaker 1: it on. Slam the ground by foot of Baker like

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Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared

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Speaker 1: of nobody. Here's Paul Calvici. You know when they say

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Speaker 1: that you can't lose your job to injury, they would

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Speaker 1: be wrong. History says that's wrong. My question here off

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Speaker 1: the top of Cardinals Underground, can you lose your job

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Speaker 1: to vacation? Paul KLVC, Darren Urban Kiloda Guard someone in

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Speaker 1: the mailbag. If I saw this correctly, Wow, talk about

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Speaker 1: a hit and run trying to drive a wedge between

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Speaker 1: Darren Urban and Kyloda Guard. When Kyle filled in, he

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Speaker 1: filled into the mailbag and I'm not sure what the metrics,

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Speaker 1: you know, the readership was, etc. But I don't know

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Speaker 1: where the guy was going other than just trying to

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Speaker 1: basically do what Darren did with Kyler Murray and pose

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Speaker 1: the multi sport athlete question. Just try and stir up,

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Speaker 1: just try and get something out there and get some clicks.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it's all about, but you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm all for it, Paul Podcast. I mean, let's just

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Speaker 1: go what can I do to fan those flames of

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Speaker 1: division between Kyloda Guard and Darren Urban. So who's the

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Speaker 1: wally pip in this vacation scenario of trying to figure

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Speaker 1: it out. Well, since you're not going to be here

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Speaker 1: next week, Kyle, I'm guessing it to you. Hey, you

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Speaker 1: know what, wait till we talk the trash to Paul

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Speaker 1: about Paul in two weeks. Actually that's a great point

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Speaker 1: because on the way out to Minicamp, I was talking

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Speaker 1: to none other than Pause for dramatic effect Ken Summers,

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Speaker 1: the great Kent Summers, who says he does listen to

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground. And I'm thinking to myself, Man, I better

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Speaker 1: not go on vacation. I'll be like Paul, I'll be

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Speaker 1: PAULI Pip over here if they bring in Ken to

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground. So can't you know it just remain a

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Speaker 1: listener not a participant, capiche. We also have some people

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Speaker 1: in Vienna that are willing to join the podcast too,

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Speaker 1: so you got you got a lot of people listening

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Speaker 1: and ready to join in. So enjoy your vacation, Paul. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: until they're podcasting at three thirty in the morning. That'll

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Speaker 1: be the time. Difference is a little start, is that

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Speaker 1: where you're going on vacation, no expenses paid? Probably no.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out if I can even make

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Speaker 1: it a California means. I'm I'm talking to one of

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Speaker 1: our colleagues, Dan Nettles, and the man who's responsible or

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Speaker 1: Cardinal's flight plan in so many ways, and he's booking

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Speaker 1: some backpacking trip around crow Way Show. Wow, And I

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Speaker 1: can't even pull off a trip to California right now,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, do not tell my wife that I

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Speaker 1: can't figure out our vacation when you're booking something like that.

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Speaker 1: That's that's really unnecessary, is what it is to be

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Speaker 1: honest with you. So what was the answer on the

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Speaker 1: whole mailbag thing? And uh, there was some sort of

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Speaker 1: I don't know analytic? Was this guy like a fan

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Speaker 1: of analytic? Here it is? Here's the quote. Kyle felt

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Speaker 1: a bit short of his predicted Pythagorean theorem paragraph response total,

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Speaker 1: But obviously tone can be flukey with high variants. What

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Speaker 1: just a great nod to me and my love for analytics.

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Speaker 1: was it was beautiful. I knew every what every single

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Speaker 1: as we speak. Almost can we can we clip that?

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Speaker 1: I would like to have that as a sounder. That

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Speaker 1: was a great nod to me that Kyle just said,

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Speaker 1: what is the old John Elway? Oh yeah, I'd like

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Speaker 1: to thank John Elway. Yeah, John Fox, that was the gap.

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Speaker 1: Where's my Aaron Rodgers T shirt from last week? I'm offended?

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Speaker 1: I need my I'm offended T shirt? Again? Here on

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Speaker 1: Cardinal's underground at this rate? Are you kidding me? The

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Speaker 1: analytics people are a small group, but we're tightening it

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Speaker 1: and we stick together. See. By the way, Darren won't

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Speaker 1: So you know what, I'm going to answer the question

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Speaker 1: right now, you're ready. Who was the guy who wondered

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Speaker 1: who stood out? And he was he wanted more analysis

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Speaker 1: here to tell you Zach Allen stood out. Let's see

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Speaker 1: who else, I'd say, Robert Alfred Shine, Buddha Baker quote

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Speaker 1: He made a point of running every single drill, even

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Speaker 1: I'd say the three smaller receivers Rondel Moore, Jojoe Ward.

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Speaker 1: Last year's poably pigskin breakout player at camp that did

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Speaker 1: there were no preseason games last year, So no, I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying my epic fail last year doesn't count because

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Speaker 1: there no preseason. Yeah, I'm just saying you got a

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Speaker 1: fold start out? Thanks for asking number thirty Andre but

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Speaker 1: Shelley not to be confused with the opera singer from

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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean he can't stand out though in mini camp

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Speaker 1: falls legit gonna say ninety breakout candidates. He's not. So

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Speaker 1: he just going down the wide receiver depth chart right now,

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Speaker 1: I took regular you name of the wide receivers. Two

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Speaker 1: I'm out on that limb a little bit. Actually, the

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Speaker 1: Jojoe Award pick last year was solid. I mean he

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Speaker 1: wide receiver candidate. So Andrea Andrea Andre Andre, But that's

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Speaker 1: Andre changed his number to eighty two by the time

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Speaker 1: What was the one kind of giving tips to Aj

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Speaker 1: did notice that he was helping out aj Green trying

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Speaker 1: the way, who says there was no hitting in the

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Speaker 1: off season. Do you guys see Buddha Baker and the

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Speaker 1: shot at the local dry cleaner? You see that one? Wow,

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Speaker 1: Steve you talking about getting cleaned? Um? That was yeah?

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Speaker 1: What was the like? It's like sports stars, they are

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Speaker 1: just like us. So you're going on Twitter and winding

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Speaker 1: be a Seahawks running back and get KOed by Buddha Baker. Paul,

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Speaker 1: do you have any fifteen hundred dollars duvet covers at Cossa?

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Speaker 1: I do not know. Um. That's uh, that is a

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Speaker 1: that is a different world, is it not? When it's

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Speaker 1: you're wearing sunglasses if you get the ten dollars ones

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Speaker 1: ones from the nice ones. If those breaker, you lose them,

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Speaker 1: then you're in trouble. Not Buddha. You ever steamed your

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Speaker 1: duvet cover? Hey? None, none of that language on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on now, because he just wanted a steam,

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Speaker 1: he didn't want to clean. I literally googled up duvet

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Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars and there was one brand, Are they pretty?

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Speaker 1: That was fifteen hundred dollars plus all the other ones

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Speaker 1: just goes to show that you can charge whatever you

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Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars duvet covers unless somebody's buying them, all right,

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Speaker 1: And if you're making sixteen million a year, you can

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Speaker 1: afford it. So once again, who says the offseason is

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Speaker 1: not hard hitting, just go to Buddha's Twitter timeline to

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Speaker 1: find out about the local dry cleaner who got your

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Speaker 1: hold put it that way? So with that, what else?

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Speaker 1: What else do we have here to get rolling on?

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Speaker 1: I mean, as long as we're touching on some uncomfortable topics.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're not it's not a dry cleaning situation,

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Speaker 1: but obviously not great that your first round pick got

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Speaker 1: in trouble for speeding. That's probably not great. No, it

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Speaker 1: was excessive speeding and reckless driving. And I first I wondered,

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Speaker 1: and Furious nine that's coming out and we keep seeing

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know you're not then, Diesel. We don't

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Speaker 1: need any dom to reddel stunt driving around here. It

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Speaker 1: just reminds me of Bruce arians when they would break

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Speaker 1: for the summer and he was like somebody asked him,

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Speaker 1: I think it was his first offseason and he was

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Speaker 1: talking about, you know, guys going to Miami Beach and

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Speaker 1: all this stuff, and somebody asked him, well, what was

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Speaker 1: your advice, and he just said, don't get arrested. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty good advice. Yeah, I'm like, speeding is not

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Speaker 1: the end of the world. But if he was going

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Speaker 1: seventy five and a thirty five, that's pretty fast, and

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Speaker 1: you just hope it's a little moment of reckoning for him,

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Speaker 1: just realize, Hey, I gotta not speed and you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of keep my head on straight and look forward

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Speaker 1: to a rookie season that's obviously very important for you guys.

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Speaker 1: Want my theory, Thanks for asking, yet again, you just

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Speaker 1: got an eight million dollars signing bonus. What are the

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Speaker 1: odds that perhaps he was testing out the limits of

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Speaker 1: guessing there were a number of zeros after a comma

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Speaker 1: in the price tag on that car, and maybe he's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: check out the limits on this vehicle, except you were

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Speaker 1: on Scottsdale Road and chaperatte better to do on the

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Speaker 1: it's one of those things where we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: a lot, whether it's Zavan Collins or even Isaiah Simmons

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Speaker 1: part of it. There's a lot of people that have

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Speaker 1: guy on that defensive line or on that blitz, and

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Speaker 1: teams were given him one on one coverage or one

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Speaker 1: on one protection against. So I think Dennis Gardeck has

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Speaker 1: a big season ahead of him this year and you

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Speaker 1: know probably next year too. Where can he show that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm a legitimate pass rusher in the NFL because he

431
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Speaker 1: was an undrafted guy. He's smaller than most pass rushers.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are certain things that worked against him before,

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Speaker 1: which is why it took him three years to get

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Speaker 1: his shot, and now he has to stack it. I

435
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Speaker 1: think where even this year, you're probably thinking he's a

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Speaker 1: backup outside linebacker. And even if he didn't to tears ACL,

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Speaker 1: would he have been a starting outside backer this season

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Speaker 1: even despite the production. Probably not so Now if he

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Speaker 1: does it two straight years, when everybody knows who he

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Speaker 1: is and they're now saying, we got to watch out

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Speaker 1: for this pass rusher, even if it isn't sacks, But

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Speaker 1: if he is consistently beating his man and getting pressure

443
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Speaker 1: like he did last year at the end when people

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Speaker 1: knew who he was, I think that's a huge bump

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Speaker 1: to his career, and then he's going to be a

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Speaker 1: guy who makes a decent amount of money on his

447
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Speaker 1: next contract. I was just gonna say, if there's another

448
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Speaker 1: reason he has a positive frame of mind, it's because

449
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Speaker 1: guess what he got paid in the offseason. Yeah, it

450
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Speaker 1: was a one year tender, but it's two million plus

451
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Speaker 1: for a guy who was at Sioux Falls and went

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Speaker 1: that route to get that sort of paid a a

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Speaker 1: second round tender too, and they could have just given

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Speaker 1: him the original round like they did Ezekiel Turner. But

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Speaker 1: obviously the Cardinals, despite the ACL tear, were worried that

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Speaker 1: if they just slapped that original round tender on him,

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Speaker 1: somebody might have come in and signed him. So obviously

458
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Speaker 1: his stock is high. He's got value. Now it's just

459
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Speaker 1: putting another season out there and showing that on tape.

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Speaker 1: Hey I can do this consistently. I mean, that's how

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Speaker 1: much other teams covet a pass run, right, Someone would

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Speaker 1: have snagged him if there wasn't a second round tender.

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Speaker 1: I totally agree with you on that one. In fact, speaking,

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Speaker 1: a pass rush should zoom out. You also had an

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Speaker 1: article about the Cardinals defense, Kyle if I saw that correctly, right.

466
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Speaker 1: I found it intriguing that the Cardinals have the fifth

467
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Speaker 1: most money in the NFL under the cap allocated to

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Speaker 1: the defense nearly one hundred and five million. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: it's funny because we always talk about Kyler Murray's rookie deal,

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Speaker 1: and it feels like we always associate that with the

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Speaker 1: offense and what it does for the offense having a

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Speaker 1: quarterback on a low cap pit, but it affects the

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Speaker 1: entire team and it allows Steve Kim to keep adding

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Speaker 1: players on both sides of the ball. And we've seen it.

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Speaker 1: JJ Watt, Chandler Jones, Buddha Baker, all these guys are

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Speaker 1: making big time money. They're willing to spend that money.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips is another guy who is making a big,

478
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Speaker 1: big amount of money, so they've put money there. They

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Speaker 1: put resources with Isaiah Simmons and Zaven Collins and some

480
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Speaker 1: lower round picks like this isn't and our offense is

481
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Speaker 1: going to decide what our team does. I think it's

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Speaker 1: it's a lot more balanced than people think, especially from

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Speaker 1: the outside. They see Cliff and they see Kyler, and

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Speaker 1: they think how the offense go determines what this team does.

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Speaker 1: But if you believe in Football Outsiders DVOA like I do,

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Speaker 1: the defense was much better than the offense last year

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Speaker 1: for the Cardinals. The defense is the one that carried

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Speaker 1: this team, and they were a little bit too up

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Speaker 1: and down. They had some games where they struggled and

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Speaker 1: had some games where they were great. I think they

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Speaker 1: need to be more balanced this year, but overall, the

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Speaker 1: metrics say the defense was better than the offense. And

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Speaker 1: with all that money and the resources, I think the

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Speaker 1: defense is going to be better than the offense again

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Speaker 1: once again. They finished number twelve last year and points

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Speaker 1: allowed per game, and then in your Ball Outsiders defensive

497
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Speaker 1: efficiency ratings that you cited, it was a top ten

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Speaker 1: defensive units six point six percent better than the average

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Speaker 1: hashtag nomath. Here's the thing they still though, for all

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Speaker 1: that finished in the bottom third and run defense. And

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Speaker 1: I know we put on the gloves and we can

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Speaker 1: duke it out about whether run defense matters as much

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Speaker 1: as it used to, but it does. Devance Joseph when

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Speaker 1: we had him in the Big Red Rage, he cited

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Speaker 1: that himself and he still thinks it starts with stopping

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Speaker 1: the run. So you would think that the addition of

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Speaker 1: a JJ Watt. I think one of the unheralded aspects

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Speaker 1: of signing JJ Watt is he had the most tackles

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Speaker 1: for a loss against the run in the NFL a

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Speaker 1: year ago. If Jordan Phillips is healthy, I mean there's

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Speaker 1: a big run stuffing defensive lineman. And then if you

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Speaker 1: have Zaven Collins at two sixty able to be a

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Speaker 1: little more stout at the point and Isaiah Simmons is

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Speaker 1: truly going sideline to sideline, I definitely like the prospect

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Speaker 1: of that front seven being a little more effective against

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Speaker 1: the run than it was a year ago when at

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Speaker 1: times it was a liability. Well. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons they made these booths. That's

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons they wanted JJ Watt is because

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Speaker 1: although he lined up probably outside a little bit more

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Speaker 1: often for Houston, I think the idea is that for

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Speaker 1: this team he's going to be an interior type defensive

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Speaker 1: lineman and to help in that regard and who knows you,

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Speaker 1: everybody's gonna be watching Dennis Gardick. So now JJ Watott's

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Speaker 1: one on one coverage, so one blocking, all lies are

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Speaker 1: on the hair. I think ultimately that was something that

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Speaker 1: they wanted to get better at. I mean, we've talked

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Speaker 1: a million times about Collins and Simmons and where they're

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Speaker 1: trying to get to with that inside linebacker corps. But

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Speaker 1: I think the defensive line. Somebody said again in the

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Speaker 1: mail bag, they were asking, I think off based off

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Speaker 1: of your guys, debate this about the position, the most

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Speaker 1: improved position, the position group that would show the most

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Speaker 1: improve in this. Yeah, and for obviously the receiver room.

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Speaker 1: See I'm going I went with the defensive line because

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Speaker 1: I feel like with adding JJ Watt, assuming Jordan Phillips

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Speaker 1: and this is assumption, but as student, Jordan Phelps stays

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Speaker 1: healthy and wants to and wants to kind of get

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Speaker 1: back to where he was why they signed him as

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Speaker 1: a free agent. And I'm a believer right now in

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Speaker 1: Richard Lawrence and Foe too in terms of becoming I

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00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: don't I'm not gonna say they're gonna be stars, but

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Speaker 1: I'm a believer that they can become solid rotation players,

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Speaker 1: and that doesn't even count Zach Allen without Corey Peters

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Speaker 1: and with Zaven Collins and Isaiah Simmons in experience. I

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Speaker 1: wonder if they're going to be more vulnerable to the

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Speaker 1: run this year, But I don't think it matters that much.

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Speaker 1: I like you said, I don't really care about run

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Speaker 1: defense very much. I don't think the difference between the

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Speaker 1: best run defense and the worst, to me, is so

551
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Speaker 1: much less than the best past defense and the worst.

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Speaker 1: So I think the play of defense is going to

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Speaker 1: come down to the health of JJ Watt and Chandler

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Speaker 1: Jones and their productivity and pass rushing, and then the

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Speaker 1: defensive backs. If Jayalen Thompson and Buddha Baker stay healthy,

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Speaker 1: and if those corners can give you a ridge corner play,

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Speaker 1: then I think this defense is going to be very good.

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00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: And I'm not I wouldn't be too worried about whether

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Speaker 1: I'm giving up four point five yards per carrier or

560
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Speaker 1: four point one. I think no matter how that shakes out,

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Speaker 1: it's not gonna make or break you. I just don't

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Speaker 1: put too much stock in the run defense. I think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be about the pass rush and that past

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Speaker 1: defense in the back end. Don't forget about my point

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Speaker 1: a week ago on Cardinal's Underground. We never forget about

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Speaker 1: anything we've moved on the run defense from this cornerback group.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget about the hard tackling Malcolm Buttle or one

568
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: hundred plus tackles Robert Alfred to fight you. He's physical,

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Speaker 1: will come out with run force Byron Murphy, who will

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Speaker 1: hit you. It's gonna be the best run stuffing group

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Speaker 1: of corners in the NFL. Don't forget about that. I

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Speaker 1: would never forget that Paul's doing like the moneyball of

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Speaker 1: NFL cornerbacks. That's not forget my rebuttal to that, which

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Speaker 1: is that's lovely. But if your defensive backs are known

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Speaker 1: better for their run defense, you got a problem. Yeah,

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00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: especially if they're actually catching the ball first and then

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Speaker 1: you're tackling them and that's how you're piling up all

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Speaker 1: those tackles. That is a serious concern. So it's how

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Speaker 1: you go about accumulating those tackles that does matter. By

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Speaker 1: the way, I just say, going back to our original

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00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: point out of the mail bag, how guys looked in shorts,

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Speaker 1: I would say were chard Lawrence also looked pretty darn

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Speaker 1: good in some of those drills as well. So I'll

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Speaker 1: throw that out there utterly worthless, but it is sort

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Speaker 1: of my segue when we talk about the trenches and

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Speaker 1: the offensive line. Wasn't there a mail bag about how

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00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: the old line handled the pressure with Kyler bag? It

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00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 1: was a fine Kyle blog post. Oh, the next gen stats.

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00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: That's right, you should have known, Paul. Now wait a minute,

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00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: I saw the next gen stats. That's right, that's right.

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00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: I saw your tweet. Oh no, how that works. So

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00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: that column an article comes off the heels of a

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00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: KELVC retweet. That's our next gen stats. And here it goes.

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00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: The question was analytics KELVC, which NFL offensive lines were

595
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Speaker 1: the best and worst at limiting pressure in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: That was a question poly number cruncher. And here's where

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00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: they lose me when they say, as an ad pops

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Speaker 1: up on my phone, as they say, using survival analysis,

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Speaker 1: let me say that again, because I can't even say it.

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Speaker 1: Using survival analysis, we can say jungle or something. A

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Speaker 1: likelihood a QB will be hurried within three seconds of

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Speaker 1: a drop back to control for time to throw. I

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00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: am so sorry, well, why are you retweeting stuff you

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Speaker 1: don't believe it? I mean, what is this? What is

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00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: survival analysis? And how can you use it to estimate

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00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: the likelihood a quarterback will be hurried within three seconds

607
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: of a drop back to control for time to throw.

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00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm picturing Kyler Murray and just a loincloth in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the in the middle of the desert, trying

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Speaker 1: to find water. They're basically saying the standard pressure stats

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Speaker 1: is if a quarterback gets pressured, and that's with it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you hold the ball for seven seconds

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00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: or two I think pressure is pressure like you're if

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Speaker 1: you're if the guy comes at you, Even if you've

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Speaker 1: been sitting in the in the pocket and make it

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Speaker 1: a hand sandwich and just scanning the field, that's still

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Speaker 1: a pressure rate. So they normalize it based on three seconds,

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Speaker 1: and I'd assume what they're saying is, even if you

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Speaker 1: get the ball off in two point eight seconds, they

620
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: can kind of tell the trajectory of the players based

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Speaker 1: on this data and say whether a guy would have

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Speaker 1: pressured you at that three second mark. And that's my guess.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know exactly for sure, but I

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Speaker 1: think it's valuable. I think it says that the Cardinals,

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00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: as much as people were questioning their offensive line last year,

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Speaker 1: a lot of metrics say the Cardinals pass protection was

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Speaker 1: among the best in the NFL. Inpact, this metric does

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Speaker 1: say the Cardinals were number one with a seven point

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Speaker 1: two percent hurry probability, the Browns were number two, The

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00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: Chiefs had the third best offensive line when it came

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Speaker 1: to pass protection, Saints number four, Packers number five. And

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Speaker 1: the one caveat I would say is our team's mush rushing.

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Speaker 1: Our teams not sending a bunch of guys because they're

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Speaker 1: afraid of Kyler's mobility. So these numbers might be skewed

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Speaker 1: toward mobile quarterbacks where teams aren't going to be rushing

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00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,479
Speaker 1: them as hard as they do stationary quarterbacks, and I

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00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: think that probably helps the numbers for the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: But there were a lot of times last season when

639
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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray dropped back and he had a good pocket.

640
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: I think it was definitely a strength of this team

641
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: last season, especially from what we've seen in the past.

642
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: I mean, Carson Palmer a lot of the time was

643
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: under more pressure than Kyler Murray was last year. So

644
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: whether it's at the thread of his legs or whether

645
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: it was just purely the blocking, I think they did

646
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: a nice job. And now you had Rodney Hudson too.

647
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: It taking away the weakest link of that offensive line

648
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: last year and the interior pressure. I think clearly this

649
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: could be a top five pass protection group. It is

650
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: funny because it feels like it doesn't matter what year

651
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: it is or what happens. The narrative, especially nationally, when

652
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: people look at this team is though they didn't do

653
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: anything to help the offensive line. The offensive line is

654
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: not good all this stuff. And I agree with Kyle.

655
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a combination of things. I

656
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: think you're helped by having Kyler Murray back there as

657
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: a post to Carson Palmer, let's say, in terms of mobility.

658
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: But I do think they did a fairly decent job

659
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: last year. Were they great? No? Could they have been

660
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: a better run blocking team? I think they could have

661
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: been a run blocking team, but I did. I did

662
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: think that they were better than adequate. And I don't

663
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: completely understand everybody always saying, well, that's such a weak link,

664
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: or or the fans getting really angry at them. If

665
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: that's still a narrative they're two years behind. Yeah, Honestly,

666
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: if they're still saying if the national narrative out there

667
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: is that the Cardinals old line is still a liability,

668
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: then they've been wrong for two years. Is that is

669
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: so outdated and inaccurate? Yeah? At this point, I think

670
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: clearly the offensive line as a group was better than

671
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: the wide receiver group last year, was better than the

672
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: tight ends, was probably better than the running backs. Like,

673
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: I think either the quarterback or the offensive line was

674
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: your strongest group last season on offense. I see the

675
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: ESPN pass block win rate had him as the top

676
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: three offensive line, right right. Okay, so the new question

677
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: this year is can they handle all the props and praise.

678
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: That's really the question, Not all the haters and all

679
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: the doubters and everyone dismissing the Cardinal's offensive line. The

680
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: real question is, Hey, DJ Humphrey's justin Pew and company.

681
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: Can you handle all the accolades at this point and start?

682
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: You better not start smelling yourself as you like to say,

683
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: DJ humpreyes, is it really accolades? I mean facts or facts? Paul?

684
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: I mean we're not We're not piling right because survival

685
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: analysis with a hurry. Probability is about as close to

686
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: a fact as you're gonna get. It's not a projection, No,

687
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: absolutely not. It's not extrapulating the numbers. It's a hard fact.

688
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: It's almost like when the Suns entered the playoffs and

689
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: people are like, are they gonna be able to handle

690
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 1: being good? And are they they don't have any playoff

691
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: experience and are they smelling themselves? Oh? Wait, the Suns

692
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: are just a talented team and now they're doing well.

693
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: And if the Cardinal's offensive line is talented, whether people

694
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: say yes, they're good or not, they're gonna do good

695
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: leadership or not. Yeah, by the way, is any surprise

696
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: the bottom five worst offensive lines last year? The Giants?

697
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: We all saw the Giants, SONDREDI saw the Giant, the

698
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins, which actually I was kind of surprised by that.

699
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: The next three not at all. Dallas horrendous offensive line,

700
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: a lot of bad injuries. Last year. Patriots offensive line,

701
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: we saw that, nothing to write home about. And then

702
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: the Bengals. I e. Joe Burrow and what happened to

703
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: him in the beatdown he took all year? And I'm

704
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: not surprised about the Dolphins because you had two of

705
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: back there most of the year, and rookie quarterbacks tend

706
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: to make their offensive lines look even worse than maybe

707
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: they already are in the first place. All right, I

708
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 1: got something for you out of left field, just my own,

709
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: my only, my own, PAULI Power Poll. You're right, because

710
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: we can't have a podcast in June without a power poll.

711
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: I want you guys to rate the left tackles in

712
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: the NFC West. DJ Humphreys, Trent Williams, Dwayne Brown is Seattle,

713
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: Andrew Whitworth, who will turn forty in December. It's not

714
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: a bad group for the Rams. Want a ranking, Darren

715
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: Urban of the left tackles in the NFC West. Go

716
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: Hump is gonna kill me on this one. I'm gonna

717
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: go right now. With where they are in their careers,

718
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. I think Trent Williams is still very

719
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: very good, and I think he showed that last year.

720
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: I put Hump second, I would probably put I probably

721
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 1: put Brown third right now, Whitworth fourth. But I mean

722
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: those two guys are interchangeable and they're still very very good.

723
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: I know Dwayne Brown right now is looking for a

724
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: new deal. Whitworth was on the precipice of retiring and

725
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: decided to stick around. I mean, I think I think

726
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: DJ Humphreys had a very very nicely year last year.

727
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: I think he's totally underrated, and because of their collapse,

728
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: I think he lost out on some attention. But I

729
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: think Trent Williams right now is playing really really good football.

730
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: So Kyle, you want to weigh in or disagree? Does

731
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: is your middle initial D? Or disagree? Today? Just barely.

732
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: That's almost exactly what I would have said. I'd say

733
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: Trent Williams one, Dwayne Brown two, Humphries three, and you

734
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: feel bad putting Witworth four. But he's a good left tackle.

735
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: But just because of the age, and if DJ Humphries

736
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: has a season like he did last year, he's he's

737
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: legitimately a top five, top seven left tackle in the

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00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: NFL and he's gonna get some big time money pretty

739
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,959
Speaker 1: soon if he does that. So it's just a matter

740
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: of stacking one more year. Like the Guard Deck conversation,

741
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: DJ Humphries did absolutely everything right last season and his

742
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: PFF numbers were off the chain, and you asked Cliff

743
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: Kingsbury about him and he praised him so much. Everything

744
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: DJ Humphries did last season was phenomenal, and now it's saying,

745
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: can you do it twice and show that you're truly

746
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: elite by putting those back to back seasons together? Big money?

747
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: Pretty soon he's making fifteen million a year at left tackle,

748
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: big big money. What is the big big money at

749
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: left tackle? Is it really? Yeah? Wow? Okay, all right, yeah.

750
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: I always had he's got a couple of years to go.

751
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: But sitting next to DJ Humphrees in the big red

752
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: rage for those couple of years, I had that moment

753
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: of clarity a couple of times after he got paid,

754
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, the guy next to me, he's making

755
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: fifteen million per year. Don't think about it, Kelbys, you

756
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: don't think about it. Lets you just keep going. He

757
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: was a bargain last year. I think it's fourteen a year.

758
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: I mean, that's for that's really good savings for a

759
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: left tackle. By the way, speaking to the Suns, do

760
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: we need to talk about the vaccine at all? Do

761
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: we need to mention? Is this a moment where we

762
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: cite Chris Paul and then wonder how that might work

763
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: into the fabric at the NFL season, if at all protocols,

764
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: Is there any sort of lesson to be learned at

765
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: this moment? What is your expectation. I just hope the

766
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: fact that Chris Paul reportedly testing positive after being vaccinated,

767
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if that's a fact that he's

768
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: vaccinated and that he did test positive, if either of

769
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: those have actually been confirmed, but that seems like that's

770
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: kind of the story. I just hopefully that doesn't change

771
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: people's minds that are looking at getting vaccinated, because I

772
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: think the overall stats of vaccinations and how much it's

773
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 1: decreasing the frequency of COVID nineteen and decreasing the effects

774
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen, so I think in aggregate it's a

775
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: big help, and the more players that get vaccinated, the

776
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: easier it is going to be on their teams. And

777
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: but it's still it's just says that even if you're vaccinated,

778
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 1: there's still a chance you can still get COVID nineteen. Obviously,

779
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: but I think it's been shown with the information that

780
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: it's going down steadily, and that's because the vaccination rate

781
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: is going up. The reality is is nothing Nobody ever

782
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: said the vaccine was going to be one hundred percent

783
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: effective in stopping it. It was going to drive it

784
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: way down. And that's that's like with anything. And I

785
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: think it's a little disingenuous to argue about, well, people

786
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: with the vaccine are getting COVID. I mean, yeah, that

787
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: was going to happen, and some of them are more

788
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: high profile. What we do know is that, you know,

789
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury came out and said that you know, they've

790
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: quote over educated the players and on the Cardinals in

791
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: terms of what the vaccine is and and hopefully they

792
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: make the decision to get vaccinated and if they don't,

793
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: they don't um. There was a big stories this week

794
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: about Cole Beasley, the Bills wide receiver, who has made

795
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: it very clear he's never getting vaccinated, and I disagree

796
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: with his stance. I think everybody should get vaccinated. If

797
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: you don't want to, that's fine, I know. In the NFL, though,

798
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: the reality is if you don't get vaccinated, you have

799
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: a very strict set of rules you're gonna have to

800
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: live by. And to me, that's if that's your choice,

801
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: that's fine, but then that is also your choice. You

802
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: have to live by the rules. You don't get to

803
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: to me. You don't get to say, well, it's my

804
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: choice to not do this and then get really mad

805
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: that there are rules. When NFL camps open, it's going

806
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: to be very obvious immediately who's vaccinated and who is not, correct,

807
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: just based on the rules that the unvaccinated players are

808
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: going to have to follow, including wearing masks and other

809
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: social distancing measures, And it's gonna be apparent just from

810
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 1: watching some of these practice. Well, see, I don't I

811
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: don't know about the practices themselves. I mean, I do

812
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: think the rule will continue, which it was in place

813
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: last year where if you were on the field, you

814
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: didn't have to wear a mask. So I don't know

815
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: if it's going to be apparent when you're necessarily on

816
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: the field. Now, if you're seeing stuff behind the scenes,

817
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: if you're seeing some interviews or you're seeing players around

818
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: the hotel or whatever, yeah, you're gonna be able to tell.

819
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: And again, some of these rules are gonna be impactful

820
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: as you go down the road. I mean, if you

821
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: go on a road trip you're and you're unvaccinated, you're

822
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to leave the hotel, and if

823
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: you are vaccinated you can. And I don't know if

824
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: you can necessarily sit in meeting rooms if you're not vaccinated,

825
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to do it by virtual. So I mean,

826
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: there's there's definitely the NFL has definitely set it up

827
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 1: so that if you do get vaccinated, they're major advantages

828
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: to it. And see where everybody stands. It's interesting to

829
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: bring up the Chris Paul thing because I know, you know,

830
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: I know that he's still having to sit out even

831
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: though he was vaccinated. But again, when you see something

832
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: like that happen, or you see the John rom thing

833
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: where he obviously he just won the US Open, but

834
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, where he's playing in that tournament,

835
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: golf tournament, and he's leading and he's gonna win a

836
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: million and a half dollars and he has to leave

837
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: it all on the table because he hadn't been vaccinated.

838
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: And those were the rules. I mean, if you're a player,

839
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: and I mean if you're the Bills and you are

840
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: hoping Cole Beasley plays in this really important game against

841
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: the Patriots this coming weekend and he tests positive and

842
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: he's never been vaccinated, so maybe he could have made

843
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: sure he didn't and now he has to sit out

844
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: that game against the Patriots. I mean, are you if

845
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: you're a teammate, are you happy about that? If you're

846
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: a fan, are you happy about that? If you're Cole Beasley,

847
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: are you happy about that? There reports that Chris Paul's asymptomatic,

848
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: because if he was, wouldn't they share that. Wouldn't they

849
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: have said that right from the beginning, that he's not

850
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: experiencing any symptoms and could the reason that he's still

851
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: ruled out is because he has been experiencing symptoms after

852
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: testing positive. Well, the problem with the NBA rules that

853
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: I've been able to tell is that the symptoms only

854
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: go so far in terms of helping you. You can't

855
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: come back unless you've had two negative tests in a row,

856
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: and then you still have to go through two days

857
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: of cardiac testing. And I think part of the reason

858
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: they're keeping it so close to the vest is privacy.

859
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: But the other part is if you're the Suns, you

860
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: want to keep the clippers guessing the whole time. And

861
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: god knows, we've seen enough about that in the NFL

862
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, keeping things close to the

863
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: vest when it comes to injuries. So last we left

864
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: to your own Cardinals Underground brought you by Pacific Office Automation,

865
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals. Our theory on Larry was

866
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: you know and the Suns was we should have known

867
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: based on Larry that he only buys low and sells high.

868
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: So we should have seen this Sun's run in the

869
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: postseason coming a mile away as soon as Larry brought

870
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 1: in as a minority owner. And now, maybe, just maybe,

871
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: the Suns are one of the reasons we're not hearing

872
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: anything from Larry yet. So the longer the Sun's run continues,

873
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: the less we hear from Larry on the football front.

874
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: There's one working theory out there. But for something new

875
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: that I'm going to throw out there, guys, because it

876
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a podcast, a new Fitz theory we appreciate.

877
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 1: Did you see Eli Manning's new gig where the Giants

878
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: tweeted out quote Eli Manning is back home. He's rejoined

879
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: the organization in a business, opts and fan engagement role.

880
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: Plus we've said the date for the jersey retirement and

881
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: ring of honor. Larry and Eli have been tied together

882
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: in their careers pretty much every step of the way

883
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: from the two thousand and four draft to the Walter

884
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: Payton Manny the Year Award, where they were co winners

885
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: back in seventeen. I know was in Houston for the

886
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and we covered it that night. Wait a minute,

887
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: are you saying Eli is going to hire Larry Fitzgeral

888
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: for a job in the Giant's front offer. What I'm

889
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: saying is, could that serve as a blueprint for the

890
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: Big Red? Could the Big blue print serve for the

891
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: Big Red? Where Larry replicates what Eli is doing, and

892
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Larry is signing a contract to

893
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: be part of the business operations. We know his aspirations

894
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: in business. After he has done, He's already on the

895
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: board of directors for Dick Sporting Goods and a bunch

896
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: of other ventures. He's got out there and Larry before

897
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: either one of you gets his own office around here,

898
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: how about that? I'm gonna say no, because they'll never

899
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: pay him enough. That's a good point. Yeah, you're right.

900
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: He doesn't really need some sort of figurehead type position,

901
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 1: does he. I just want to know, when you began

902
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: your fits theories months and months ago, did you think

903
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: he was gonna last this long? Every Monday. Are you

904
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: sitting there like Fitzgerald and trying to figure out your

905
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: latest theory. Obviously, I've been forced to scrape the bottom

906
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 1: of the barrel here just to make this sustainable week

907
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 1: after a week. I mean, somebody needs to Larry feel

908
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: my pain around here to have to sustain this. Are

909
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Get you have to be right now.

910
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: I mean you've said literally every single possibility twice. Right

911
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: by the way, the other one. Do you see the

912
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: new Madden cover right it's a dual athlete cover with

913
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes. Do you guys know the

914
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: last time that happened? Larry Fitzgerald TROPI Yeah, let me

915
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: ask you this. If Stephen Colbert say as a great

916
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: American philosopher, you know what that means? Probably something I will.

917
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: I will say this, and I'm probably shouldn't be spoiling this.

918
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: I probably should tell you this off air and you

919
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: could use it next week, Paul, But I'm going to

920
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: steal it from myself. Okay. You know when I went

921
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: back to Larry's Minnesota house in two thousand and yeah,

922
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: I did just do that to um. When I went

923
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: back to his house in two thousand and twelve. I

924
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: think it was UM and we did the an interview

925
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: out there in his backyard. He told me one of

926
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: the things he was on his bucket list to play

927
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: for the Vikings, no to go into space. So maybe

928
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: he's waiting to be able to make this announcement when

929
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: he's in space. You could go in there with Eli

930
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: on or yeah, either one. Now, Look, Larry has all

931
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: the money he'll ever need for about twenty lifetimes. But

932
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,959
Speaker 1: does he have Bezos money? What does Bezos paying again

933
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: for a trip to space? I mean, you know, I

934
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: don't even know. If he could he could afford a

935
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 1: seat next to Bezos, that would be the epic retirement

936
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: announce though. I like that have a sign. I can't

937
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: talk long, guys. We're orbiting the moon, but I just

938
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: want to tell you I'm retired. You know. There is

939
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: breaking activity on Twitter as we record Cardinals Underground with

940
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald reacting to a Cardinals tweet, and that tweet

941
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: was celebrating Kurt Warner's birthday, which as we record this,

942
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: what day is it today? Tuesday? All the five letter

943
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: F word fifty yeah, And they posted the video of

944
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: Larry tackling Kurt before the I think it was a

945
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: Sunday night game at State Farm Stadium, and Larry replied

946
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: to it and said, hands down the easy tackle I

947
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: have ever made. Lol. And then I replied to it

948
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: with the video of him tackling Wolf and said, AHM,

949
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: so I think that one was a little bit easier.

950
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: So maybe he's going to play defensive back next season.

951
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: Foul there it is. Yeah, but Wolf's got like one

952
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: hundred pounds on Kurt, you know, just I mean, you

953
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: know it's Kurt goes down if they're both sitting ducks, right,

954
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: you know, I mean big tree fallheart? Yes. Um. By

955
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: the way, my segue into the Cardinals receiver room, uh,

956
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: Rondale Moore? Do you see some of the analytics Cynthia

957
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: Friedland is that who it is NFL dot com and

958
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: does a lot of the numbers based analysis. The question

959
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: was which NFL rookie receiver will be most productive in

960
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. Here's my analytics based top seven and

961
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: number seven was Rondale Moore. Yeah. I think I think

962
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: the big question is target share his rookie season. I

963
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: think he matches himself out well for this offense. I

964
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: think what he does after the catch is valuable to

965
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: this offense. My question is will he be on the

966
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: field enough. I mean, when they go eleven personnel, you

967
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't think rondel Moore would be in that group because

968
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk is ahead of him in the slot. So

969
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: how much do they go ten personnel? But I'll tell

970
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: you what if if he plays well early and has

971
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: some breakout moments in the first three or four games,

972
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: I think he might force himself out there and maybe

973
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: a dark horse Rookie of the Year type candidate. Usually

974
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: it's a quarterback, but I think he can get himself

975
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: in that mix. I'm so glad you mentioned how often

976
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: do the Cardinals go ten personnel? Because when I was

977
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: searching for something else, I stumbled into this one. So

978
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: next gen stats credits to Cardinals would utilizing ten personnel

979
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: one running back, zero tight ends, four wide receivers on

980
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: twenty point three percent of the snaps last year. That's

981
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: the highest figure in the NFL. Next closest will be

982
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: Buffalo at fourteen and a half percent, And I don't

983
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: think anybody else was double figures. Yeah, and there's the

984
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: delineation of your odd in ten personnel because of Dan Arnold,

985
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: although he was kind of a glorified wide receiver. So

986
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: if if you add in those sets where he's in

987
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: the slot even though he's a tight end, how high

988
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: does that percentage go? And even if they just match

989
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: that next season with Rondale Moore, maybe they are in

990
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: ten ten personnel thirty percent of the time. That's that

991
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: to me is one of the more interesting things to

992
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: watch early in the season, Like, does Cliff Kingsbury think

993
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: that ten personnel is still the way to go if

994
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: he's got for elite or legitimate wide receivers? And with

995
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: the way the tight end room looks right now, I

996
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: would expect it, but we'll have to see. And once again,

997
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: if they're in ten personnel thirty percent of the time,

998
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: that is way ahead of the norm in the NFL.

999
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: That's number one by a country mile. When it comes

1000
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: to that personnel group, they're already ahead as a country

1001
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: in a country mile as it is. Here's what was interesting, So, Darren,

1002
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: remember we saw this stat about Rondale Moore in college

1003
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: especially I think it was twenty eighteen in particular, where

1004
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: he made tacklers miss at a rate not seen in

1005
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: twenty years. Okay, all right, so now here's what Cynthia

1006
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: Freeland cites. Rondelle Moore maintained his speed after contact on

1007
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: inside routes at the highest rate of any receiver in

1008
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: D one. So now you're telling me that he's making

1009
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: guys miss at a historic rate. But he's also maintaining

1010
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: his speed after contact on inside routes at five ft

1011
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: seven and at five to seven and he squats six

1012
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: hundred plus. I mean, we probably shouldn't be shocked by that.

1013
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: That he stays on his feet and you know, he

1014
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: has that low center of gravity and intriguing play man.

1015
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's really it really makes you wonder. Okay,

1016
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: if he's making guys miss and he can get past

1017
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: the initial tackler that first contact, he doesn't go down

1018
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: on first contact, I mean his initials are going to

1019
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: be yac yards after catch. Just get him the ball, obviously.

1020
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: That's I think that the plan. I mean, I think

1021
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons that he was so highly

1022
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: regarded by this team was because of that. They those

1023
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: exact things. Hey, we're just gonna want to get him

1024
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: the ball in some space and have him do something,

1025
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: make some plays. Because he has proven those things. But

1026
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: again we need to see how that plays out. I mean,

1027
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 1: I hear all the good things and I don't disagree

1028
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: with him, but at the same time, we as we

1029
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: go further and further into it when you talk about

1030
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: how great all these things sound, and it's like, well,

1031
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: then why wasn't your first round pick? And I know

1032
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: Rondale feels he should have been a first round pick,

1033
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: and maybe they hit gold. I mean, Buddha Baker wasn't

1034
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: a first round pick either, and he obviously deserved to

1035
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: be one. So hopefully that's what happens here. And he

1036
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: had injury plagued twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, Yeah, it might

1037
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: be in that sweet spot if you can see why

1038
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: he wasn't a first round pick, but you can see

1039
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: how he could have first round talent and type production

1040
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 1: where I think Buddha Baker is a great comparison where

1041
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: he wasn't a first rounder because of probably the forty

1042
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 1: times and the size, and that's why Buddha Baker didn't

1043
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: go where those guys went, because he didn't have the

1044
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: perfect measurables and like you said, the injuries and the

1045
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: height for Rondel Moore or the two Dings against him.

1046
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: But from a pure playing style and production standpoint, I

1047
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: think he can be one of those game breaking receivers.

1048
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: And you know that's big talk for somebody who's never

1049
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: played and we haven't seen much of. But I'm super

1050
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: intrigued by Rondel Moore. You guys might bring in Ken

1051
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: Summers to replace me after I offer up the following,

1052
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: But I do have a nickname for Rondelle Moore that

1053
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: that's that's in the works. I'd probably be well served

1054
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: to not offer this till after vacation and try and

1055
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: think it over with some clarity. But do you guys

1056
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: remember the kid's toy back in the day, and I

1057
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: ain't do mean hit the rewind button here The Weebele

1058
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: Wobbles remembers they weeble but they don't wobble. Or no,

1059
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 1: they wobble but they don't fallobble but they don't fall down.

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Speaker 1: There you go, Darren Well does it's a two man game.

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00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: Heck of a nickname for Rondale more the weebel Wobble.

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00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: Something tells me that a Rondale would not like it.

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00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: It reminds me a little bit when I went up

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00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: to LaRod Stephens Howeling and I'm like, so, you know,

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00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: I've been calling you the hyphen everybody cut and I said,

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00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: what do you think? And he kind of looked at

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00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 1: me like and he was like, okay, you know, like

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00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: not my first choice. But if it's coming from a

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00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 1: fellow diminutive American, then you know it's coming from the heart,

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00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: and it's coming from the right place. The whole weeble

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00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: wobble thing, you know. I mean, he doesn't go down.

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00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: I am going to lay a lot of money hypothetically,

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00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: of course that if you told Rondale More you're gonna

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00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: start callinghim weebile wobble, he would hate that more than

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00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: Larry might hate Japanese fighting fish. It's just gonna be

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00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: mass confusion because he's obviously never heard of a weebel

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00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: wobble and he's not gonna know what you're talking. I

1078
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: assume you've never heard of the Come on, you've no,

1079
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: that's wow, which means rondel More certainly is not. I

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Speaker 1: had weebel wobbles. If anyone cares, thank you, Holmes. It

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00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: makes me feel better over here. That's okay, Well, there

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00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: it goes weebel wobble. I'm trying. I'm trying to redeem

1083
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: myself after I Andy in the whole slot receiver thing

1084
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: and so money that was a year fault. Weevil wobbles

1085
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: are kind of built like defensive linemen though I feel,

1086
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: but not so much receiver the right defensive lineman. By

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00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: the way, speaking of receivers, AJ Green making national news

1088
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: or Lisa Matthews on the Fly and his comment about

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00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: how quote I've never played with a guy like d

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00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: hop before. The guy's unbelievable. He embraced me. We don't

1091
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: have egos. He's telling me, like, if you want to

1092
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: run arount and I'm at that position, just let me know.

1093
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: So you have a guy like that, two guys like

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00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: that in a room, it's going to be unbelievable and

1095
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: we feed off each other. AJ Green. So that's the

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Speaker 1: latest from r aj Green, NFL Comeback Player of the

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00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: Year update desk. Yeah, that was a good good get

1098
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: by Lisa talking to him, And yeah, it was an

1099
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: interesting comment that DeAndre was doing that at practice. I

1100
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: think a lot of people from the outside see a

1101
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: clear demarcation from DeAndre Hopkins to Age Green. But he's saying,

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00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: we're two guys that have been super stars in this league,

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00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: and I believe we can be this really good one

1104
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: two punch on the outside. And he's saying, if you

1105
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: like lining up here, go ahead and try it. So

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00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: that was an eye opener to me, Like he's offering

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00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: that and not just saying I'm the alpha in this group.

1108
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm the guy that's the All pro and going to

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00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: be and you're a step below me. He's paying homage

1110
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: to AJ Green, two guys from South Carolina, So you

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00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: figure they have that in common, right. The thing that

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00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: to me on AJ Green And look, you guys know,

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00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm as bullish on number eighteen as anyone. But what's

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00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: confounding on AJ Green is I just don't know how

1115
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 1: to process the fact that he had forty seven catches

1116
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: on one hundred four targets. Like what happens there? You

1117
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 1: only had forty seven receptions on over a hundred targets. Now,

1118
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: I guess the rate of accuracy or a catchable ball

1119
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: percentage was the lowest in the outwell. I'd have to see,

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Speaker 1: like if he's got one hundred four targets and only

1121
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: forty seven catches, but he has like one or two

1122
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: drops then yah. I mean, if he had ten drops,

1123
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: then I'm gon concerned about that. But it's it's Aj Green.

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00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: He doesn't drop the ball, well, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't. Yeah, I mean, I think

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00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 1: quarterback is a legit question, but also level of separation

1127
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: from the defensive back, where it's obviously a lot harder

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00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: to catch the ball if a guy is stuck to

1129
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: you like glue. So I think that's that's the big question,

1130
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: and that's why he didn't get the type of money

1131
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: that a player of AJ green stature would have gotten

1132
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: if he kept putting out seasons like he did in

1133
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: previous years. So if he can bounce back and be

1134
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: that same guy, and you can just chalk it up

1135
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: to the quarterback issues and inaccuracy, then the Cardinals have

1136
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: found a real good value. But the fact that he

1137
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: didn't separate as well last season, I think gives me

1138
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: a little bit pause where I'd like to see it

1139
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: happen in training camp and early in the season consistently.

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00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: All Right, I want you guys to tell me. I'll

1141
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: narrow it down. I'll let you I'll give you a

1142
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: hit here. This is NFC West related? Who is response

1143
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: to your right tackle? Who was sponsible for this quote?

1144
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: And who is this person talking about? Quote, Bro, this

1145
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: dude's a bad m effort end quote. That's Sean McVay

1146
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: on his quarterback, Matthew Stafford to Sports Illustrated, and he

1147
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: went on to say McVay on Stafford, quote, whatever people

1148
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: say about him, as good as it can be, he's

1149
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: even better than advertised. It makes sense to him. The

1150
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: guy's ability to see the game, his ability to draw

1151
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: on his experiences, the feel it's all pretty special and etc.

1152
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: So I mean he's been bullish, really waxing poetic about

1153
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: Stafford all offseason, But I mean to go all pulp

1154
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: fiction with the bad mofo thing, And I mean, you

1155
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: know at this point you watched and the prediction in

1156
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: the Rams merchandise shop they're gonna sell Matthew Stafford wallets

1157
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: that say bad mofoe on it, just like in pulp

1158
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: fiction and Samuel L. Jackson. You guys get that reference,

1159
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: don't you. Aron's looking at me. He's oblivious, so is

1160
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford. Then Sean mcvay's Jojoe Ward this camp is

1161
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: that what you're saying it goes beyond that goes beyond

1162
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: just breakout player at camp. If he is a bad

1163
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: mamba jamba like he thinks, then it's trouble for the US.

1164
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: The nfcust if their defense plays like they do. But

1165
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: we've seen Matthew Stafford a lot, and his armed talent

1166
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: is unquestioned. But that offense was up and down in Detroit,

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00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: and you can say it was the people around him,

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00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: but I think he had enough weapons. I mean, I'm

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00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: not ready to say with a change of scenery, Matthew

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00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: Stafford is all of a sudden the top five quarterback.

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00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: I think that needs to be proven. If he gets there,

1172
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: the Rams are in great shape, but I'm not sure

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00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: if Matthew Stafford is that bad. Is have the Cardinals

1174
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: face Matthew Stafford more than any other quarterback who haven't

1175
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: played in the NFC West gotta be I mean, trying

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00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: to think other than well, Cam Newton might have been

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00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: up there. Actually, Cam Newton probably is because he left Carolina.

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00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: They seemingly play Carolina every year, just like the Lions,

1179
00:59:58,480 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: but then they played him again this last year with

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00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: the England So maybe Cam Newton would probably in terms

1181
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: of appearances and then also playoff games. Yeah, it reminded

1182
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: me of the preseason when we played the Broncos all

1183
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: the time. Remember Daryl Hackney, we saw him for like

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01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: every year for like five years. Matt Stafford is Darryl Hackney.

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01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: By the way, Matthew Stafford is one of the top

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01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: five most popular bets for NFL MVP twenty twenty one.

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01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: Once again, gentleman. By September ninth, the NFL opener, this

1188
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: is all going to be a part of the fabric

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01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: here in Arizona. So I thought you'd be intrigued to

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01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: know that the most popular bet not the greatest odds,

1191
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: but the most cash, the most cash being wager of

1192
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: any player for NFL MVP right now is take a guess.

1193
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: Because Matthew Stafford is top five, he's not number one

1194
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: for MVP. Who is getting the most money bet on

1195
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: him right now? Tom Brady? No, Tom Brady's top five.

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01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes also top five, not number one. I wish

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01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: I could have. Josh Allen is also top five, not

1198
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: number one, but Hannah he was. It's probably it's probably Kyler.

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01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: He was spotted courtside. He was spotted courtside at the game,

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01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: or actually it was he was at the Padres Dodgers

1201
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: game in the front row last night. It wasn't. Kyler

1202
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. Baker is having the most money bet on

1203
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: the popular bet right now for MVP. Maybe because his

1204
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: odds are a little greater. Yeah, people like the return

1205
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: potentially on wager. I think the Browns are going to

1206
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: regress as well. The Browns are getting a lot of

1207
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: play all offseason and it's only picking up steam as

1208
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: having the most talented roster from number one to number

1209
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: fifty three. They you can tell they love analytics because

1210
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: their offense is just I was looking at the salary

1211
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: cap numbers for that story, and they're they're so waited

1212
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: toward the offense. It's ridiculous. The amount of money they've

1213
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: spent on offenses crazy. It's fair though, that we circle

1214
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: back to the analytics and the metrics. Now. You know what,

1215
01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: if you're gonna go with analytics again, I'm going to

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01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: reiterate my hot take the Week six matchup Cardinals at

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01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:06,479
Speaker 1: Cleveland super Bowl preview. Right there, Cardinals at Browns super

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Speaker 1: Bowl Preview, Week six. If it's I'll take a super

1219
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Speaker 1: Bowl preview, I will take any game that the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: are in. If you tell me it's going to be

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01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: a super Bowl preview Titans Cardinals Week one super Bowl preview. Well, no,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals don't have a chance against the Titans because

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Speaker 1: we already learned from Nate Burlson that the Titans offense

1224
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: offensive all time could be the best offensive all time.

1225
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: So we obviously don't have you know, a chance, but

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01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: up there's no chance. So, by the way, can I

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Speaker 1: just say from the Titans defense sucks update desk? You

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01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: realize that Titans defense last year allowed fifty two percent

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Speaker 1: of a third down conversion rate, which was dead last,

1230
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: and they rated thirtieth allowing touchdowns in the red zone. Dude,

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01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: if you're scoring eighty seven points a game on offense,

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01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. I'm just saying, you know, they allowed

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01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: touchdowns in like sixty nine percent of red zone possessions

1234
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: by the opponent. Hashtag not good. So we'll you know,

1235
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: they drafted Caleb Farley in the first round. They drafted

1236
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: a corner out of you dub in round three. They

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01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: had a generous Jenkins otherwise the worst secondary in the NFL.

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01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: So once again, take the over. This is what Paul

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01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: Prognostication says, in week one, between the Titans offense and

1240
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: they're terrible secondary in defense and the Cardinals new weapons

1241
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: on offense, this won't be a ramping up process of

1242
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: scoring points. In week one, we say, there's another hot

1243
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: take for you. So you love breaking down the Titans,

1244
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: you really do. Guys are all uncomfortable on talking about

1245
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: the Titans here in June, So okay, all right, well

1246
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: leave it there. I guess any anything else you know?

1247
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: How is the mail bag dynamic is? Is? Are you

1248
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: gonna let Kyle take over when you go on yet

1249
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: another vacation this summer? Darren? How's that going to? There

1250
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: will be probably at least one more Kyle appearance. Okay,

1251
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: all right, well we'll get his Pythagorean paragraph theorem or

1252
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: whatever the mail bag guy wanted. And that's great. Yeah,

1253
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: see if the Kyle can get it right next time.

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