WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Death of Col. Philip Shue 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.280 This episode of Thinking Sideways is not brought to you 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:05.960 by the disappearance of my neighbors. Instead, it's brought to 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:08.680 you by somebody who might be able to find my neighbors, 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:12.240 or maybe not, or is responsible for their disappearance. Gosh, 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:16.079 I hope not. Anyway, it's a pet from your local shelter. 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:18.079 It could be a dog, it could be a cat, 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:20.320 it could be a horse, it could be a parakeet. 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:22.520 Who knows what kind of thing you could find there, 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:25.200 But that thing I know you will find there is love. 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:27.840 So you can adopt from a shelter, or you can 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:30.240 volunteer your time, or you can donate money because they 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:32.440 always need more money to take care of all the 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:37.000 pets that are looking for their wonderful forever homes. So donate, 0:00:37.280 --> 0:01:01.880 spend time, adopt, find my neighbors. Hi there, Welcome to 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:06.360 another episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm your host, Joe, joined 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:12.080 as always by Steve and Devin. Yeah, and of course, yeah, 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:15.840 another mystery. Okay, another week, another mystery. Alright, So this 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.400 week we've got a really intriguing story for you guys. 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:22.240 I know it sounds like he's sarcastic, but it's true. 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:24.720 This is actually an interesting story. It actually it's kind 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:26.800 of an interesting story. I'm actually glad that you've covered 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:28.720 this one, Joe, because I have read up on this 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:32.240 multiple times and have been so baffled. I wasn't ready 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:36.600 to dig into it. So I'm glad you picked it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:38.160 And I finally and I got into it, and I 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:41.240 was convinced of kind of leaning towards one thing, and 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:43.759 I started started leading towards another thing, you know, but 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:45.880 by the time I was done looking at it, you know, 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.160 it's kind of interesting when it happens. Yeah. Oh, a 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:53.920 quick warning with this, this story does depict some torture 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:55.960 and unpleasant things like that. So again, if you have 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:58.160 little leers see a doctor, if you've got a kid around, 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.240 then you might want to like turn it off till 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.720 the kids not here anymore. But so you probably want 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:06.120 to know what the mystery is. That's and they'll come 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:11.200 up right after this break, Okay, just can What we're 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:14.320 gonna talk about is a strange death of Colonel Philip Shoe, 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.480 who was in the Air Force and stationed at Laughlan 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:21.000 Air Force Base in Texas. This happened in two thousand three. 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.440 He died in the car crash, and the circumstances of 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.840 the crash were a little strange. I would say, uh 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.960 if at first it looked like a straight up traffic accident, 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.320 but when the police took a closer look at his body, 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.480 they found evidence that he had been tortured, like and 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:40.639 not just in the distant past, but like that day. Yeah, 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.280 but none. Despite all that, that's kind of hanky if 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.680 you ask me, his death was still ruled a suicide 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:50.359 by the Air Force, also by the local police. Yeah, 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.800 also very hanky. But there are people out there, naturally, 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:55.920 including his widow and his friends, who think that he 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:59.880 was murdered maybe, And in fact, one judge in Texas 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.200 this is a sort of pursuing it to a lawsuit, 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:07.160 did declare that Philip Sho's death was a homicide, although 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:09.639 apparently that had no legal bearing. Apparently the judge still 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.840 it was just that was his opinion. But yeah, but 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:14.720 as far as the police and the Air Force are concerned, 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:19.720 it's still suicide. But was it? Who knows? Well, we'll 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.320 find that out. Yeah, Well, we always solve our mysteries. 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.320 First off, let me stop and give a shout out 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:28.120 to Mr w I know who you are. Mr W. 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.359 It's either George W. Bush or it's Harvey Weinstein. I'm 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.440 not sure which, but that's the first thing who suggested this. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.720 Mr W as the person who suggested this story. So thanks. Alright, 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:40.840 start from the beginning. Colonel Philip Shoe was fifty four 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.800 years old. He was a psychiatrist at Lackland as I 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.600 said in Texas. He was married to Tracy Shoe, who 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:48.840 we had met in the Air Force. She was his 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:52.400 second wife. She was also in the Air Force. Yeah, yeah, 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:55.360 she had She had just recently retired. She was had 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:59.400 retired and was then was a slacker. But so Philip 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:03.240 Shoe divorced his first wife, Nancy Shoe in They had 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.200 one son together, and as part of that divorce agreement, 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.680 Nancy was allowed to keep an insurance policy on Philip 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:10.760 for a million bucks. Wait, hang on, I think we 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:14.200 just misspoke. Nancy was not in the service. It's a 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.599 second Tracy. Yeah, that's what I said, his second wife, Tracy. Okay, 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.640 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I suddenly misconstrued what was going 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:22.120 I was like, what did we just say that? Wrong? 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.680 And so, to be clear, that insurance policy was taken 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.680 out in ninety two when they divorced initially correct or 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.880 thereabouts or to the divorce. I am not entirely shure. 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:33.880 I thought it was prior to that she was allowed 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.279 to keep it and maintain. Yeah, to be clear, Um, 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.000 you know, I guess the thing that I was trying 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:42.520 to clarify was this insurance policy was taken out either 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.760 before their divorce or you know, around the time of 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:50.040 their divorce, not like five years later or nine or 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:56.080 eleven years later, lawyer during the divorce, So she basically 0:04:56.120 --> 0:05:00.479 got whatever she wanted, and somehow in the proceeding that 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.800 insurance policy was part of it. Yeah, I I and 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.920 I assume it's it's not totally illegitimate. I mean, he's 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:10.080 probably paying shout out support. They had a son together. Probably, Well, 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:11.800 if you get killed, we got to even make sure 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.679 that the gets a college education and all that stuff. 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.040 You know, it makes sense to me, especially you know 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.200 in the Air Force. If there's a probability of he 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.920 was an active duty in terms of combat active duty, 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:26.040 that can change. Yeah, not with his line of his 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.920 life work was a psychiatrist, but you never know. Even 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.479 there gets a psycho guy that's a patient and he 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:34.400 kills you or you know, I mean there's there's are 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.000 You're just sitting in your office being all psychiatry and stuff, 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.880 and suddenly something in fifty and just overshoots the runway 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:41.600 and plows right to your office, you know, I mean, 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:44.640 there's danger anyway, That's all. I was trying to take 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.880 the psychiatrist's office at the end of the runway, yeah, yeah, 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.960 or really any office. Yeah, anyway, I was just trying 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.680 to be clear that that had happened, like, you know, 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.279 earlier than it wasn't like oh yeah, and then two 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.159 months later he died mster. Yeah no, And I'm not 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.560 sure it could have actually been an ongoing thing. It 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.760 might have been that he'd been insured for like years 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.880 prior to the divorce too. I'm not really totally sure. 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.640 There's no information about that out there, frankly, and there's 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:14.280 a lot of information about this case, so if you 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:16.640 want to go looking for it, y yeah, but yeah, 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:20.440 that particularly, Yeah, there is. But the insurance policy did 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:22.839 become a little bit a little bit of an issue 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:27.360 later on, which I see, Yeah, surprised, But anyway, Philip 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:28.800 should have been in the Air Force for a while 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:30.479 and as you all know, in the military, at least 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.719 in the US, you get to retire after twenty years 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.280 and you get to have a pension, which is kind 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.359 of sweet. You know, you can retire pretty young and 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.720 have a nice pension. My neighbors are one of them 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:44.440 is I think thirty seven, it's not true, thirty seven. No, 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:48.680 she's forty and he's forty seven, and they're both retired 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:51.760 Navy or something like that, and it's just like that. 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.119 Oh yeah, my dad retired from the military at forty 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.040 five and then went in the private sector and makes 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:00.040 great money because he's got that pension that's coming in 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:03.680 on top of his regular income. Yeah, it's a great deal. Yeah, 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:07.520 it's a good deal. Yeah. But anyway, but so he 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:10.560 was planning on retiring on October two thousand three. Uh, 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:12.600 and he had been accepted into a program to study 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:16.520 forensic psychiatry and Alabama, and so his plan was to 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.920 finish out that program, going to private practice, make lots 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:23.640 of money, uh, the pension, and also have his pension 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:28.080 and Tracy's pension. She retired of a pretty decent peture herself. Uh. 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.040 So they had just put down an offer on a 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:33.320 nice house in Birmingham, Alabama, which was accepted. I was 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.960 about a week before his death. And I've seen pictures 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:39.680 of the house and it's really nice, big, huge, two 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:43.800 story brick house, nicer than mine, believe it was six 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:48.480 or seven six they were paying for and I mean 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.679 for two people. Frankly, it was a lot of house. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.320 It was a huge freaking house. But they were going 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:58.760 to be making seventy hundred bucks a month and plus 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.400 whatever we're gonna come to two of them from whatever job. 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:05.080 It wasn't sport. I just didn't be hurting for money. 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.520 Oh no, no, definitely not. It just seemed like a 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:12.040 really big house for two people. People. Yeah. But long 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.480 in the short though, is that, at least according to Tracy, 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.240 everything was going great for her and Phil. He said 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:20.160 that Phil was happy about life, really looking forward to 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.960 retirement and his new his new psychiatry practice and and 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.720 all that stuff. And uh, and so you know, he 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:31.080 wasn't depressed or suicidal or anything like that, he gordon 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:34.000 to her. But then things went south. April sixty, two 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:36.360 thousand three. Uh, Philip and Tracy were living in the 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:38.800 town of Bernie, Texas, and that's spelled b O E 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.040 r n E at first I thought it was Born 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.520 like the Born Supremacy thing. Yeah, but it's like it's 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:49.200 Bernie like the Sanders. Yeah yeah, yeah, so it's Bernie. 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.880 Uh that's of course. Phil worked at Lackland Um. By 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.120 the way, Yeah, by the way, Bernie is about twenty 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.400 five miles northwest of San Antonio, Okay, and it's close 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.000 to the Air Force base. Yeah yeah, kind of clothes 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:06.200 um to commute. Yeah. So Philip left the house about 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.680 an hour early that day, around five thirty am, because 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:11.640 he said he wanted to get to the office early 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.440 to get some paperwork done. And that was the last 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.920 time Tracy saw him alive at eight fourteen. Just a 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.480 few hours later that same morning, Phil's carr was seen 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.840 in Highway ten, which is a freeway that runs through Bernie. 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.480 It comes from San Antonio up northwest through Burnie and 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.160 then i'll beyond into the desert and well beyond. And 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.600 so let me describe ten. First, Highway ten when it 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.120 goes through Bernie, is is two lanes in east direction, 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.280 and there's a big huge grass Meradian in between the 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.840 lanes the north and the south. Yeah yeah, yeah, and 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.839 there's there's at least like a hundred feet wide strip 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:48.440 of grass feet in between the north and southbound lanes. 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.960 So Phil was seeing going north northbound at mile Market 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.440 five forty three, which would be southeast burning and he 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.600 was headed northwest. And then two guys whose names I've 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.760 never been able to establish. Uh, these guys appeared on 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.680 CBS forty eight hours did a special on this one, 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:08.280 and these two guys appeared in there or either that 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.440 they were actors impersonating you guys. I'm not sure, whish, 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:13.400 but they didn't name them they were. They didn't say 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.520 who they were. I mean, I which I thought was 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:19.840 strange conspiracy. Yeah, well could be, I mean maybe, So 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.480 to clarify, I'm sorry. That would have been the way 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.920 he would have been heading northwest to get to work. No, 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.719 he would have been heading the other way to get southwest. Yeah, 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.040 he would have been heading southeast to southeaster or whatever. Yeah, 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:34.960 he would have been heading that direction to to go 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.280 back to his home and Bernie. I'm not not sure 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:40.000 which which exit. There are three freeway exits to get 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.240 to Bernie, so he would have taken one of those 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.839 to get home, and not sure, but I just wanted 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.360 to be sure to mention he was heading in the 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.439 wrong direction. He was not yet, he was no longer 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:52.679 heading to work. That is a good point. In fact, well, 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.000 in fact, he never was seen at work that day, right, 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:57.080 And do they know do we know what time he 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:00.559 was seen at that mile marker was when it was 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.680 age fourteen? Yeah, okay, so a couple of hours later. Yeah, 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:07.679 So he's driving north on Highway ten and these two 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:09.520 guys see him. He's in the right lane, and then 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.600 suddenly he swears from the right lane across left, across 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:16.720 the freeway to the median into the grass, starts bouncing 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:20.320 along in there and driving wildly through it. There's light 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:23.880 poles in there, and so he was like swallowing between 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:26.160 a few of these light poles and stuff. And then 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:29.760 eventually it hits uh, some object that's unclear what it was. 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:31.320 That that actually cost him to get a little bit 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.679 airborne bump or something. Yeah. Yeah, And and so he 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.920 got kind of airborne, came down, um, came back down, 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.440 but kept it under control, got back on the freeway, 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:44.679 kept driving north on the north on the right side 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:48.240 of the road. Yeah, yeah, I know exactly. He just 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.840 saw this is very abnormal. It along he looks over 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:58.000 there says hey, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well apparently it was 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:00.960 unusual enough even protextas that it attracted these guys. Notice 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:04.000 they kept following him. He was going about sixty and 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.640 he went about five four miles north past the John's 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.200 Road exit which you can find on on the aerial 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:11.560 if you look for it, and that's mile Market five 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.439 thirty nine. But he continued to pass that mile Market 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:16.480 that was the last exit to Bernie which would take 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:20.439 him home. Um, and then continue to pass the underpass 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.200 which is St. John's Road, and then there's there's an 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.520 entrance from St. John's Road northbound there. So just at 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.800 the at the end of that, it kind of cross 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.800 that and left the freeway to the right one across 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.120 some grass onto another road. There's a parallel road there 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:37.839 called frontage Road. They're always called frontage they are, they 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:41.000 really are. And across that road, headed across a little 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.160 more grass and hit a standard trees. His right front 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.959 bumper of his car clipped a tree, and then his 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:51.880 car spun clockwise around the passenger side, Yeah, the passenger side, 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:56.440 So that corner just clips of tree and becomes and 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:00.280 that and the car just spins quite rapidly around and 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.760 smashed into another tree and the tree at the driver's 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:06.040 side door and really caved it in good. I mean 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.960 the car is really bent. About the Saudi pictures of it, 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:11.760 it's bent pretty good. He literally did wrap it around 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.079 a tree. Uh. And he died on the spot from 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.959 massive head injuries. And of course the police showed up, because, 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.400 as we all know, cops are morbidly fascinated by car 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:26.920 erect right, That's why I'm pretty sure, Hey, freddie correct, 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.719 let's go man. Yeah. So they show up and when 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.880 they're done taking selfie's and posting him on Facebook and stuff, 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.600 they started looking at the wreck, and they looked at 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.880 his body, and obviously they had to see if he 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:42.160 was alive. He was obviously dead actually, and the two 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.240 anonymous guys that followed had stopped, and that's what one 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:46.640 of them says. So, yeah, we went up to see 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:48.040 if he needed any help, and we just looked at 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.040 him and taking, oh, no, he's dead. Yeah, even the 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:54.280 non experts agreed he's dead. But they started looking at 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:56.040 him more closely that I was part of his left 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.040 ear had been cut off, not like torn off in 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.480 an accident, but cut off the last joint of his 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:04.120 left picky finger had also been cut off, and it 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.280 seemed kind of unlikely he've gotten those entries from the wreck. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:08.480 And by the way, those pieces of them were not 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:10.720 found at the crash scene, not found in the car, 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.760 weirdly enough. And then they looked at it, says clothes. 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:18.160 His shirt was torn, partially unbuttoned. The T shirt underneath, 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.320 you know, this had been slipped, so he had it's 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.080 military uniforms. Who he's got a button up shirt with 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:28.160 then a always the tan T shirt underneath. Yeah, yeah, exactly, 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.200 and the T and the tan T shirt had been 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.960 cut basically from the neck almost to the waist. It 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:35.440 was I'm trying to remember in the pictures, is it 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.880 is it? The collar is still intact, So it's not 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.200 as if the shirt is completely cut from the neck 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.880 to the down to the waistline, right, It's it was 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.760 only a portion of it. Yeah, but it's still still 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:52.320 enough to allow entrey for Oh yeah, yeah, no, I 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:54.640 just I'm trying to make sure that we get it across. 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:56.320 And it's not as if somebody cut it from the 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.720 top all the way down and it was open. Yeah. No, 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.280 But but so there's his long, inexplicable cut. The T 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.040 shirt's got some blood. All that's the lower part of it. 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:07.960 And so his head is bleeding, but it's not really 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.000 blood from his head is blood from other wounds on 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.880 his body, not a result of the car wrec. Well, 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.840 I was gonna say, I was that six inch long cut? Yeah, 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:17.560 he had a long cut down the middle of his 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:19.640 chest that was not from the car wrec. It had 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.880 been made with a knife or a scalpel or something. Uh. 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.840 It was six inches long about an inch wide. And 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:27.840 when I saw it, I thought, while somebody had made 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:29.920 the cut and then and then the two sides had 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:34.160 just separated. But according to the autopsy, and they said, 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:38.040 now it's the skin had actually been removed. So and 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.800 my wait, I hate to dive into these kind of 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:42.960 details early on, but I need to understand this because 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:46.360 it's it's been bothering me this whole time. Am I 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.600 to understand? When I read the autopsy it said that 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:51.360 I didn't get it and I thought about it later. 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:55.680 Does that mean somebody actually made two incisions and they 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.480 were at say a forty five degree angle, and where 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:02.040 they met that come completely freed that strip of skin 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.800 to be an inch wide, it would I see what 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.040 you're saying. Yeah, no, I think that it looks like 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:09.200 if you look at the end of it's like two 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.080 parallel cuts and then they come together at the ends. 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.160 So yeah, what I think happened is that the cuts 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.000 were made and then it was like the center that 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.440 there was they sort of were tapered together, and then 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:26.120 that little piece was just peeled down. That's what I think. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:30.120 I like my answer better. But okay, yeah, well that's 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.280 that's one of the most ancient nasty torture techniques out there. 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.880 Playing somebody alive. You've heard that. There's a reason it's effective. 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:41.480 Oh yeah, it's nasty. Also like super illegal. Oh yeah, 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.240 like any I mean, you know, yeah, it doesn't mean 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.440 it doesn't still happen, does but hopefully but less it's 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.880 less common. What's which is progress? Right? Okay until we 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:55.800 go tour go one to yeah, yeah, and let's see 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:57.720 what else. Oh yeah, one more more more little detail. 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:00.720 His nipples have been cut off. That was That was 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:05.520 a little bit. I'm sorry again, we gotta go a 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.159 little bit into this and you may not know the answer. 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.480 Was it like a scalpel cut around or was it 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.800 like a pension slice. It was more like a scalpel 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:19.320 cut around and it was super super shallow. They barely 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:23.800 took the skin underneath the areola down away. It just 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.120 kind of dished out. It wasn't as if they took 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:30.840 a like a quarter inch or half. Didn't just pulling yeah, no, 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.480 no pulling lopa. I was sure it was still kind 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:37.640 of good. Oh yeah yeah yeah. And see what else? 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:41.360 Also and another interesting detail. His wrists and his ankles 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.480 had duct tape on them, like wrapped around them, as 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.000 if he had been maybe a bound hand and foot. Um, 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:49.120 And there are pieces of the tape hanging off about 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:52.000 three before inches long, like they like maybe he had 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:53.840 like broken the tape or like he had been cut 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:56.639 for a year kind of torn it. I mean, you 0:17:56.640 --> 0:18:00.520 can tear duct tape pretty easily cross ways. I just wondering, 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.400 like if you were bound you know, hand or foot, Yeah, 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:07.320 if he just like pulled them apart, or no you can't. 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:11.600 I'm not strong enough. Maybe I'm not. Here's the distinction 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.320 we need to make. I know exactly. Devon just did 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:19.360 the wrist together motion. His wrists weren't taped together. It 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:22.040 was one wrist was taped, and then the other wrist 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.520 was taped, and then somehow they appear to have been 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.720 attached to each other with possibly that extra three or 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:34.640 four inches of taped it or taped to some other objects. Yeah, 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.000 because yeah, I think it looked more to me like 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.680 because the tape in both both rist was wrapped around 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:41.320 the wrist and there was one end hanging off, So 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.679 it looked more to me like maybe he had been 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.879 tied to a chair. Yeah. And so the same with 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:47.639 his ankles too, you know. So it's not like they 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.000 put his wrist together and wrapped him his ankles together, 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.880 yeah yeah, or his ankles yeah, yeah, the same thing. 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:59.080 Neither risk no ankles. Yeah, but that was I think 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.919 that's also an important distinction. Yeah. And so, um, but 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.960 he did have this duct tape on him, so that's interesting. 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.720 It looked like somebody had tied him up and tortured him. Okay, 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:11.360 as you can imagine, there was an autopsy Yeah, yeah, 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.280 I believe it or not that revealed that Philip Shoe 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:18.480 had latto cane in his system. Latto cane is isn't 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.800 It's an anesthetic. Um. Usually it's like if you have 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:24.960 to get stitches or something like that. They'll inject a 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.280 little into the skin around the wound, you know, maybe 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.280 and nom it that kind of thing. I don't know 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.600 if they use latto cane for dental work or not. No, 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:37.240 but if you've ever had um like a yes, that 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:39.560 kind of stuff, that's exactly what they use it for. 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:43.600 Or they just don't. Well they do. But I think 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.840 unless you've got you know, igor the torture for a doctor, 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:49.359 and that's your own fault for choosing that provider. I 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:53.440 should have been tipped off when his name was It's true, Yeah, 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:57.040 I like these. Okay, sorry, So he had light cane 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.280 in his system. Oh yeah, no drugs or alcohol and 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:03.119 no no illicit drugs there. There was some better drill. 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.680 But you know, he probably had allergies, nothing to suspicious 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:11.280 in April, particularly in April. Yeah, yeah, that's the light 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:13.919 of cane. The corner concluded in his report that it 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:17.080 came from a topical Lydakan cream that she had prescribed 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:20.320 for himself a week or two before the accident. Being 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:24.119 a psychiatrist, he had access to write prescriptions. Psychiatrists, I 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.080 mean they're essentially as you know, as good as medical doctors, 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:29.320 you know, yeah. In fact, you've got to go to 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:32.000 medical school to because our psychiatrists, you know. So, Yeah, 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.760 did anyone know why he prescribed the let of cane 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:37.560 cream to himself? No, that's a good question, but I 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:42.639 don't know. Maybe it just to get high. Probably, I 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:44.760 don't think that's how that works. But okay, it's my 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:47.439 favorite line in the show. That's not how it works, 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:51.879 how any of this works. Yeah, some other miscellaneous items. Shoes, 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:55.399 wallet was missing, I want to say shoes. Shoes were missing, 0:20:55.440 --> 0:21:01.760 but these shoes were on him, damn it. Yeah. But 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:05.159 he did have forty seven bucks in cash in one pocket, uh, 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:07.879