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Speaker 1: We all get right into Randy Gregory, another guy that
Speaker 1: made headlines yesterday. He took part in Team What Go
Speaker 1: Ahead movement like Hall hell Fame, Hell yeah, Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory more like really good. So yeah, so I
Speaker 1: wanted I wanted to ask you guys. Uh. Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: came out saying basically saying that he expects Randy to
Speaker 1: be able to take some reps during the first game.
Speaker 1: Is a previous season game? Season yeah? Week one? Uh,
Speaker 1: season opener. That's the way I was looking for season openers.
Speaker 1: So based on what we saw today, what you guys watched,
Speaker 1: are you what level would you rate him? Does he
Speaker 1: look like a guy that has being out for about
Speaker 1: over a year or a guy that is just fitting
Speaker 1: writing with everyone else? I would say somewhere in between.
Speaker 1: But he doesn't look like a guy that's been out
Speaker 1: for a year. He does not look like that guy.
Speaker 1: He looks um physically, he looks bigger, stronger, He looks
Speaker 1: like he's been doing some things. But what happens is
Speaker 1: is like he hasn't really been hit yet. I mean,
Speaker 1: what you know, when Tyron Smith gets his hands on
Speaker 1: him and technique and all that stuff, because he's going
Speaker 1: to be a freak athlete that those that really doesn't
Speaker 1: go away. It's just what happens when he's charged to,
Speaker 1: you know, get in the mix there. I think that's
Speaker 1: going to be an issue for him that you'll start
Speaker 1: to see the rust when he really goes in and
Speaker 1: the pads come on, you know, consistently, and he's trying
Speaker 1: to mix it up with the best lineman in the NFL. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel I feel two types of way about Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory at the same time. One beyond impressed at where
Speaker 1: he is. Honestly, I mean, what he did individuals on Saturday, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was. I thought he was going to do that
Speaker 1: for the next week before he ever mixed into practice.
Speaker 1: I didn't think we'd see him in a real practice
Speaker 1: until we got back to Texas one day later. He's
Speaker 1: mixing in there. Uh. He does not look like he's
Speaker 1: been away from football for a year and a half.
Speaker 1: He looks great. Literally got a sack in his first
Speaker 1: practice back, beautiful twist on Tyron Crawford, looped outside and
Speaker 1: took two linemen with him and he just had a
Speaker 1: free run at the quarterback basically, And I mean he
Speaker 1: would have put Dak Prescott on the ground for sure,
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, tempering expectations. He
Speaker 1: also got a he got a face full of Cam
Speaker 1: Fleming too. I mean he got mashed a couple of times,
Speaker 1: which you're gonna do that in line play in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I'm not ready to give him
Speaker 1: ten sacks for the season just yet, but I'm beyond
Speaker 1: impressed at the progress that he's made, you know, for him.
Speaker 1: I think the way this is, this is set up
Speaker 1: right now with DeMarcus Lawrence, You've got Taco, You've got
Speaker 1: Dorence Armstrong is coming along to the point where you
Speaker 1: think he's going to play and contribute. Um, if Gregory
Speaker 1: is the guy that comes in on passing situations, I
Speaker 1: think that that would be perfect for him because then
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to play a lot of snaps. He'll
Speaker 1: be fresh. Like we said, he's going to be this
Speaker 1: freak guy that comes in that's fresh, and then you
Speaker 1: know he has to go up against these these tackles
Speaker 1: all game. I think that would be a great situation
Speaker 1: for him if if he can do that. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: I think it was walked through a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1: They had a line up where DeMarcus was at left in,
Speaker 1: Randy was at right in Tyrone Crawford was at the
Speaker 1: three technique. I don't remember who was at the one.
Speaker 1: I would guess Dayton and Jones, but either I saw
Speaker 1: it and I was like, oh, that's that would be exciting.
Speaker 1: Um And yet, so you know, Jerry Jones said he
Speaker 1: expects him to contribute week one. Jerry, I mean Jerry.
Speaker 1: But Jerry Jones gave Jalen Smith the green light the
Speaker 1: day they drafted him, you know, like, so he's expected
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory to play a lot more than he has
Speaker 1: since when he drafted him. Yeah, he's sixtieth, which I
Speaker 1: love that about him, but he is he is the
Speaker 1: most optimistic person on planet Earth, other than maybe Jalen Smay.
Speaker 1: But but also if you say, do you do you
Speaker 1: expect Randy Gregory to contribute in Week one against Carolina?
Speaker 1: If you ask that question, and he was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so he was yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: yes I do. I still I think Jerry like that, Yes,
Speaker 1: I think you gotta take like the realistic truth is
Speaker 1: usually a notch or two below what Jerry says. In
Speaker 1: my experience, Yeah, yeah, but I expect him to be
Speaker 1: And that was David Hellman that said that. David Hellman,
Speaker 1: He's an optimistic He's an optimistic guy. It's a I
Speaker 1: think it's great you want to believe in your players,
Speaker 1: but I gotta set it just a bar or two below.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I expect I expect Brandy Gregory to be
Speaker 1: in uniform exactly. It's fair to say that before we
Speaker 1: got here at training camp, we were all kind of like,
Speaker 1: let's just wait and see what happens. And now it's
Speaker 1: getting to a point that we see him at practice, right,
Speaker 1: and it's impressive to see how he has come back
Speaker 1: in his level, checking every single box. Yeah, he does.
Speaker 1: I mean like he's not He doesn't look like a
Speaker 1: guy who hasn't been doing anything. He looks like he's
Speaker 1: really taken this seriously. Like I mean, he got in
Speaker 1: there and got a sack on like his third rep
Speaker 1: since twenty sixteen. That's crazy. Ye. So um, it's it's
Speaker 1: early for me to you know, I wouldn't expect him
Speaker 1: to play one hundred percent of the snaps against the Panthers.
Speaker 1: I think that's a little ambitious, but he's gonna have
Speaker 1: a role to play. He's uh, he is definitely freakish.
Speaker 1: Someone would call him Freaco heard I've heard Freako Gathers
Speaker 1: being why are you looking at my notes? Oh I'm
Speaker 1: not okay. Yes, I was gonna say. Somebody else who
Speaker 1: made a freakish play yesterday was mister Rico Gathers. Rico
Speaker 1: made a play one hand catch from a pass thrown
Speaker 1: by play the game. I can't do that, ucks, I
Speaker 1: can't play that game. Sorry, you're married to a Mexican.
Speaker 1: I can't do it. Okay, part of the deal that
Speaker 1: wasn't okay. So Cooper Rush threw a pass down, Rico
Speaker 1: just kind of caught it with one hand. I was
Speaker 1: watching it, and he almost seemed like as soon as
Speaker 1: I looked down, I'm like, oh, he didn't catch that.
Speaker 1: He caught it. He caught it. He caught it, and
Speaker 1: it was I would say, one of the most impressive plays.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is just hype episode of camp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so again it Archie really good. Rico Gathers really good.
Speaker 1: Both initials get that he went full extendo to quote future.
Speaker 1: He sure did. So how realistic? I mean, how do
Speaker 1: you really rate this guy when he comes out and
Speaker 1: makes those plays. I mean, he has proven that he
Speaker 1: can catch the ball for sure, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: he's missing a lot of those elements, and we keep
Speaker 1: talking about him, but how do you really rate this
Speaker 1: guy that just makes flashy plays from time to time,
Speaker 1: but in reality for a tight end. I mean, I don't.
Speaker 1: And Rico said that yesterday. He was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not about the flash play. It's all about consistency.
Speaker 1: Like coaches don't like a player who does that once
Speaker 1: and then disappears for two weeks. It's about building consistency. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't say this to dog Rico. I don't feel
Speaker 1: any differently about him than I did before he did that,
Speaker 1: because we knew he could do that. Honestly, I thought
Speaker 1: he would do something like that in the San Frand game.
Speaker 1: I didn't know they were only gonna give him sixteen snaps.
Speaker 1: There's there are guys, and I'll use a basketball reference
Speaker 1: because he was a basketball player. I mean, there are
Speaker 1: guys that can have the greatest dunks that will be
Speaker 1: in the dunk contest, but they don't play defense, they
Speaker 1: don't get rebounds, and so therefore they're kind of a
Speaker 1: liability out there. Yeah, they can be some great highlight plays,
Speaker 1: but they don't do all of the things enough to
Speaker 1: be on the field. Or on the court for that
Speaker 1: for that matter. I think that's the same with him.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he's gonna he's gonna look do some
Speaker 1: really good good things out here. But if he if
Speaker 1: he misses the wrong guy on a blitz and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden dacks in the ground looking at his earhole,
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of a problem, wish, And that's what
Speaker 1: we got. I don't know, twenty something days until they
Speaker 1: cut their roster down twenty I think nineteen. Actually, I
Speaker 1: think it's less than that. Rico is not going to
Speaker 1: become this all around tight end between now and then.
Speaker 1: It's just not gonna happen. Are you reading into the
Speaker 1: fact that the Cowboys didn't really give him those ways
Speaker 1: during that game? It was curious, It was curious to me.
Speaker 1: But there's still plenty of game time left. Like that
Speaker 1: doesn't bother me, because you could you can uptick his
Speaker 1: reps as much as you want as we go. What
Speaker 1: the point I was gonna make is, basically, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are going to have to decide if that playmaking ability
Speaker 1: merits a roster spot over his liabilities elsewhere. Like he
Speaker 1: is what he is at this point, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to decide if that ability to
Speaker 1: make those type of plays justifies a roster spot. You know,
Speaker 1: when you think about what happened last year in the
Speaker 1: preseason games, Jason Witten was the starter. He wasn't going
Speaker 1: to play that. I don't think he played the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame game, and he didn't play much of the
Speaker 1: second game, so you know he's not going to get
Speaker 1: a lot of reps. James Hannah was on the roster.
Speaker 1: He was kind of banged up. He's not going to
Speaker 1: get a lot of reps, right, So Rico was gonna
Speaker 1: play more in that game than he would right here,
Speaker 1: because you're in a situation where they need to see Swim,
Speaker 1: they need to see jar when they need to see
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz. So even though he's a year removed and
Speaker 1: he's a year more experienced, he's a little further on
Speaker 1: the depth chart for preseason games, right because of the
Speaker 1: guys ahead of him. I don't read in Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't read into that at all. Like I said, there's
Speaker 1: there's three more games. He could play the entire Houston game.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he'll get more snaps in these middle two games.
Speaker 1: But my just My point is that he's not He's
Speaker 1: not gonna become a better blocker than Jeff Swim in
Speaker 1: the next nineteen days. I don't think so. Um and no,
Speaker 1: but still it's it's it's a fascinating question because I
Speaker 1: think you could easily make an argument that his playmaking
Speaker 1: ability makes him worth keeping. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: feel that way, but it's something to watch. I feel
Speaker 1: like you're an argument either way, you know, if you
Speaker 1: didn't want to keep him or if he did when
Speaker 1: I kid, can absolutely make an argument for keeping him
Speaker 1: on or off the roster, and it's not hard to
Speaker 1: make either one, and it's just going to come down
Speaker 1: to the opinions of the people that actually make those decisions. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with him. In the meantime. Let's
Speaker 1: jump into Jalen Smith. Yesterday I tweeted out something about
Speaker 1: him being on fire and that y'all better watch out
Speaker 1: for him, and people there were a few that came
Speaker 1: at me saying, it's just practice, man, Okay, get over
Speaker 1: that's what they sound like. Yeah, that's that's how I
Speaker 1: read it. It's okay, let's get over the fact that
Speaker 1: it's practiced. You just need to watch Jalen move around
Speaker 1: and how he's moving doesn't matter if he's making those tackles,
Speaker 1: because obviously they can really do that out here. But
Speaker 1: the fact that just the spin move. You guys saw
Speaker 1: that movie yesterday, that was amazing the way he moved
Speaker 1: and was able to react that quick. I mean, how
Speaker 1: do you evaluate a guy like this and how do
Speaker 1: you shut those people up that in Okay, you're sure
Speaker 1: that it's not, like you know what, it is practice
Speaker 1: right now, Let's wait and see this is strictly a
Speaker 1: practice setting. We'll find out a little bit later on
Speaker 1: if he can play with the lights. Yeah, Amber cares
Speaker 1: more about shutting up her mentions than she cares about
Speaker 1: getting getting to the bottom of no. Because again, and
Speaker 1: we've talked about how hard it is to evaluate linebackers
Speaker 1: in training camp, but at the same time, there are
Speaker 1: certain things that you can look at as far as
Speaker 1: those movements and those reflexes. You're absolutely and it is
Speaker 1: hard to evaluate linebackers, But just look at the stuff
Speaker 1: he's doing out here. You're right, I'm I'm ticked because
Speaker 1: I got that spin move on on video, but I
Speaker 1: was so zoomed out that they look like little ants
Speaker 1: and get like he which I'm Dalton Schultz is a rookie,
Speaker 1: but man, he just he like he spun on him
Speaker 1: and like the move just made Dalton Schultz fall down,
Speaker 1: like he was so surprised to see a linebacker do that.
Speaker 1: It was great. But just look at the stuff Jalen's
Speaker 1: doing out here, Like he's carrying receivers and tight ends
Speaker 1: down the field, he's shedding blocks, he's getting moving latterly
Speaker 1: to get to the ball. I'm with you, dude, and
Speaker 1: I Jerry Jones said this last night too. He said, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, based on what I've seen in practice and
Speaker 1: and that game, uh and and his off field demeanor
Speaker 1: and everything like that, I'm absolutely convinced right now that
Speaker 1: he was worth the second round pick we spent on him.
Speaker 1: I think he said he used the word cornerstone. He said,
Speaker 1: I think he could be a cornerstone for our team,
Speaker 1: both as a player and as an off the field
Speaker 1: right kind of guy type of dude. Uh yeah, another.
Speaker 1: I mean, but you know what, the three people that
Speaker 1: you've mentioned so far, Randy Gregory, Rico Gathers, and Jalen Smith,
Speaker 1: they're all very similar in one one way. Yeah, highly
Speaker 1: talented but unproven. Yes, the cow ways to get chanced,
Speaker 1: but they've got freaky talent that that has to be
Speaker 1: kind of tapped into. But in Farrico, it's it's a
Speaker 1: lot different than the others. Um you know, for Gregor,
Speaker 1: they all have their different issues, they have different obstacles
Speaker 1: that they have to overcome. But for for Jalen Smith,
Speaker 1: it looks like he's getting there. He's he is showing
Speaker 1: what they drafted out of him, and he's got freakish skills.
Speaker 1: And as you saw with this spin movie, here's the
Speaker 1: thing with Jalen Smith, which and I said this last
Speaker 1: night on Twitter two is I'm I'm cynical to a fault,
Speaker 1: Like I'm always the like, I take every I don't
Speaker 1: take anything at face value. Everybody's got an ulterior motive.
Speaker 1: I just I Again, that's me as a person. I'm
Speaker 1: just a skeptic and it's my flaw. But I have
Speaker 1: a hard time not buying into what I'm seeing from
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith because you see the athleticism, you see the talent,
Speaker 1: you see the instincts, and then on top of that,
Speaker 1: you see what the Cowboys did with their linebacker Corps.
Speaker 1: And that's why that was so important, because why was
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith bad last year or not bad? But when
Speaker 1: did he have his shortcomings? When he was thrown out
Speaker 1: there for sixteen seventy eight plays. He doesn't have to
Speaker 1: do that this year because between Shawn Lee, Layton Vander
Speaker 1: and Joe Thomas, who is a surprised star of camp,
Speaker 1: there are there are bodies that keep him from having
Speaker 1: to do that. You can keep him fresh, you can
Speaker 1: keep him fluid. And I'm just I'm having a hard
Speaker 1: time not buying into him taking a step and being
Speaker 1: like a legitimate playmaker for this team. Like everything I've
Speaker 1: seen out here. I'm not saying it's definitely gonna happen,
Speaker 1: but but I'm yeah, I'm having a hard time not
Speaker 1: buying into the hype. And one of the questions I
Speaker 1: have people tend to ask and base his level of,
Speaker 1: you know, playmaking, is comparing him to the guy that
Speaker 1: he was a Notre dame and you know, is he
Speaker 1: back to that level yet or not? And I'm just
Speaker 1: asking this because I get I see this on Twitter
Speaker 1: all the time. How would you rate this player that
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith is at right now versus the one that
Speaker 1: he was in college. I think that's a good question.
Speaker 1: I think that you know, anybody that's entering their third
Speaker 1: pro season. Now, I understanding he didn't play his first year,
Speaker 1: he was still here, he still kind of got an
Speaker 1: understanding of NFL life. I think he's a he's got
Speaker 1: to be a smarter, more aware, alert player. M I
Speaker 1: bet you he is a better football player than he
Speaker 1: was at Notre Dame right now. Now. Now he's not
Speaker 1: going up against Navy. I mean he's he's not going
Speaker 1: up against against those those teams, you know, Michigan, Michigan
Speaker 1: state that that's that he's going up against better players
Speaker 1: obviously here. But it seems like he is back to
Speaker 1: that physical level. He's bigger and stronger too. His upper
Speaker 1: body is a lot bigger, and he's got to be
Speaker 1: more aware. So I think he's a better football player.
Speaker 1: But I think the cornerback, I think Tarverius Ward is
Speaker 1: probably better than he was at his place. I mean,
Speaker 1: the thing that's just normal, yeah, evolved. Okay, let's take
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Speaker 1: we were talking about Jalen Smith, and now I want
Speaker 1: to keep you going on regards to the backer position,
Speaker 1: which is I mean, I feel kind of we're saying this,
Speaker 1: but if healthy in that game, I don't know where.
Speaker 1: If healthy, this group, I would say is one of
Speaker 1: the most talented groups that the Cowboys have on their
Speaker 1: whole team. This is trying to trade someone. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't like that idea. I said, this is this
Speaker 1: is I've been doing an informal poll around camp because
Speaker 1: I this thought occurred to me after watching practice last
Speaker 1: night with you know, Jalen doing his spin move and
Speaker 1: Layton vanders back. I pulled about five people around camp
Speaker 1: last and I was like, Okay, let's all just assume
Speaker 1: that we agree that the Cowboys offensive line is the
Speaker 1: best position group on this team. Think everybody would agree
Speaker 1: with that linebacker linebacker? Yeah. And I thought that, and
Speaker 1: I thought I was crazy, And four different people agreed
Speaker 1: with me. They're like, yeah, no, I mean, if they're
Speaker 1: all out there, if they're all practicing, it's a pretty
Speaker 1: impressive group. I would I would not agree with that.
Speaker 1: I think it's close, it's up there. I would say
Speaker 1: the running back position, I think you you definitely have
Speaker 1: an elite player in the NFL. I think you've got
Speaker 1: a capable backup in Rod Smith who's versatile. I put
Speaker 1: Jama's all the Whalley in there as as a fullback
Speaker 1: that does some unique things. I think both Scarborough's gonna
Speaker 1: get into this mix. Um, I would just say running
Speaker 1: back because they're a little bit more proven and more elite.
Speaker 1: But I can't disagree that linebacker is right there, especially
Speaker 1: from the defensive side of the ball. I don't have
Speaker 1: a I ranked them all like one to ten and
Speaker 1: I put running back third. So I don't disagree with
Speaker 1: you terribly. But hold on, hold on, you did this
Speaker 1: ranking wear just in my head I write stuff like this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could definitely write something about it. If that's ten
Speaker 1: top ten, it's a good point, Dave top ten position,
Speaker 1: so watch out for that. Yeah, that top ten list
Speaker 1: that David is gonna be working on. You doesn't have
Speaker 1: to do anything, Just give me the list. Um yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm I mean, I cannot say enough about how impressive
Speaker 1: these linebackers are. And again, I mean it's completely fair.
Speaker 1: If you're at home to say, well, they're not all
Speaker 1: going to be healthy, like, I mean, it's fair, but
Speaker 1: that's why it's so cool what they did. I mean
Speaker 1: much like much like the secondary last like they turned
Speaker 1: this unit over in a year. I mean, Shaan Lee,
Speaker 1: if he's healthy, is an all pro. I just got
Speaker 1: done gushing about Jalen Smith, Joe Thomas I've has looked
Speaker 1: very impressive. And then you've got Layton vander Esch, who
Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't look like a world beater yet,
Speaker 1: but he has flashed some very promising potential. And then
Speaker 1: even you know, Damian Wilson is a guy who was
Speaker 1: starting experience who has looked good out here. I don't
Speaker 1: think you want him starting regularly, but if he's your
Speaker 1: fifth linebacker off the you know, if he's your fifth linebacker,
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. And the same thing goes for Justin
Speaker 1: march Lillard, who's another guy that I think has been impressive.
Speaker 1: Maybe throw in Chris Covington as a special teams player
Speaker 1: and you got a pretty nice little unit right there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I just think when if you look around the league,
Speaker 1: somebody loses some linebackers and then maybe they want to
Speaker 1: make a trade man. Maybe it gets to that point
Speaker 1: where they have a tied in or you need to
Speaker 1: you need to get depth as certain the spot. I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about a safety. I'm just talking about you
Speaker 1: know this, that's the time you where you make some trades.
Speaker 1: I could see where the Cowboys would say we could
Speaker 1: part with a linebacker, which maybe I get your logic.
Speaker 1: The reason the reason I said I don't like that
Speaker 1: idea is because this linebacker group has not earned our trust.
Speaker 1: Like if if Sean Lee was Zach Martin and he'd
Speaker 1: never missed a snap in his career and be like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: what can we get for these guys? But it's not
Speaker 1: the case. How can it earn? Not earn your trust,
Speaker 1: but it earns the number two spot on your list
Speaker 1: is your list talent list. We're talking about right now.
Speaker 1: What I've seen from twenty days of training camp, all right,
Speaker 1: but given the history of things, I know. But and
Speaker 1: another part of that is, you know, last year, on paper,
Speaker 1: the linebacking corps didn't look terrible either, but it fell apart,
Speaker 1: and so it's highly talented. But I really think they're
Speaker 1: better equipped to weather that if it happens again this
Speaker 1: year yeah, and then we kind of hit on the
Speaker 1: running back position. I wanted to talk about a Sekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott And now we're starting to see a different role
Speaker 1: that he's playing in the offense, you know, getting more
Speaker 1: of those acting more as a receiver, receiver that accent
Speaker 1: just can't get away from. Sorry, never apologize for being
Speaker 1: you Amber acting. Thank you, Dave acting more as a receiver.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to see with you guys, are you
Speaker 1: guys liking that role? I mean, is he playing well
Speaker 1: at that position of yeah, do you know, acting more
Speaker 1: as a receiver and catching the ball more. I think
Speaker 1: that it's going to be interesting to see is he
Speaker 1: a receiver when things break down? Are they going to
Speaker 1: actually get him the ball? Like guy like Levon Bell
Speaker 1: and Pittsburgh, he catches the ball because that's the play.
Speaker 1: The play is to throw him the ball and get
Speaker 1: him get him out there. And I don't really know
Speaker 1: if it's other than a few screens here and there
Speaker 1: that just go eighty three and seventy yards for touchdowns.
Speaker 1: So maybe they should do it more. But oh those
Speaker 1: design screens. A lot of times it's more of kind
Speaker 1: of a dump you know, dump pass Flair's screen and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, So I think that they
Speaker 1: should try to get the ball to him a little
Speaker 1: bit more out in space. But usually the way this
Speaker 1: offense goes, it's kind of a check down to him.
Speaker 1: You're right, and that's you know again, I guess what
Speaker 1: the question. I didn't answer the question at all, the
Speaker 1: question should you should they throw the ball to him? Are?
Speaker 1: It's really what it comes down to. Should they make
Speaker 1: him more of the offense for the passing game? I mean,
Speaker 1: do you do okay, Dave, do you like him better
Speaker 1: as a receiver type, you know, playing those screen passes
Speaker 1: or just have him just run the ball? Bat want
Speaker 1: him to do it all. He should do all of
Speaker 1: that stuff, and he has out here, That's the important thing,
Speaker 1: which I gotta see it translate by He's been split
Speaker 1: out wide, he's run some routes down the seam, he's
Speaker 1: run some Texas routes. He's He's done more of that
Speaker 1: receiver type stuff out here than I can remember at
Speaker 1: any point in camp. And I actually asked him that
Speaker 1: yesterday and he was like, yeah, it's been a heavier
Speaker 1: workload in that regard, but I like it. I'm up
Speaker 1: for it, which I love to hear. I you know, well,
Speaker 1: we argued about this with Nate the other day, Like
Speaker 1: he needs to have north of him, he needs to
Speaker 1: have north of three hundred carries and when that's why
Speaker 1: he suspended Yeah, yeah, Nate suspended me. He think Nate
Speaker 1: he needs now he needs to be running the hell
Speaker 1: out of the rock and he needs to have more
Speaker 1: than fifty targets. And he's I think he's got like
Speaker 1: what he's got somewhere in the neighborhood of forty receptions
Speaker 1: for his career. Like that's not just that's not good
Speaker 1: enough for a guy that's talented, Like he needs to
Speaker 1: be doing everything in the mold of a Levion Bell
Speaker 1: or a David Johnson. My my take on him, and
Speaker 1: it might be one that you've heard before, but my
Speaker 1: take on as he kill it Elliott is he's just
Speaker 1: him good football player and he has been for a
Speaker 1: long time. And you know, yeah, you want to give
Speaker 1: him the ball, uh in the passing game, the running
Speaker 1: game and do it all, you know, you know, and
Speaker 1: he loves football. He's passionate about football. He comes to
Speaker 1: world Line one in the NFL running back is being
Speaker 1: able to do it all. I'm just I'm super encouraged
Speaker 1: about what they've done with him out here and what
Speaker 1: he looks like like he just he looks like a
Speaker 1: different player and absolutely that the I hate, I hate
Speaker 1: giving fantasy football advice, but like the easiest way I
Speaker 1: could say it is draft him, Draft him high, draft
Speaker 1: him first, honestly, like I think so, I'm I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's primed for who do you think here?
Speaker 1: And the fact that he came back from the whole
Speaker 1: mess that happened last year and this year he's been
Speaker 1: he has not caused any problems. Not him on his
Speaker 1: plate other than being running back. I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is on it like a list of what we
Speaker 1: were talking about, but you don't have to give me
Speaker 1: a top ten. But who would be like the best player?
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith has been like outstanding and so as Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 1: Who would be the number one player right now? We're
Speaker 1: gonna do this at the end of camp, But who
Speaker 1: would be like a vote for you of this guy's
Speaker 1: been the best player at training camp? Camp MVP is
Speaker 1: one of our twenty questions that we talked about. Zeke
Speaker 1: is in the Zeke is on the short list. Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith is shirt certainly on the short list. Um about you,
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin, Tavon got a lot of uh, got a
Speaker 1: lot of love. We're going to roll out of a
Speaker 1: top ten of the newcomers, new faces, and it's got
Speaker 1: away for everyone to turn their stuff. But when they do,
Speaker 1: can get that up. You know, We've talked Jerry talked
Speaker 1: to the media last night. We've mentioned him a few times.
Speaker 1: He kind of held court with the reporters last night
Speaker 1: after practice, and he praised Tavon, not just for what
Speaker 1: he's done on the field, but he mean, I hate
Speaker 1: he compared him to Michael Irvin just in terms of
Speaker 1: the intensity and the let's you know, the competitive attitude
Speaker 1: that he would bring. Yeah, and you see it. He's
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a fiery guy. Like in terms of
Speaker 1: who's going to replace Dez Scream. He'll dance around, He'll
Speaker 1: act like he's on a horse jumping around. He does
Speaker 1: he does. He does it a little bit differently than
Speaker 1: does but he definitely brings that competitive spirit to every practice.
Speaker 1: So he's he's been a great addition in a lot
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, and this and This is a good
Speaker 1: set up for him and guy like him and Hearns
Speaker 1: because this this wide receiver corps needed a leader like that. Um. Yes,
Speaker 1: they had some holdovers in Terrence Williams and Cole Beasley,
Speaker 1: but I think we're seeing that those guys aren't really
Speaker 1: vocal leaders. They haven't really been that type of player,
Speaker 1: and I think, I don't know, I could be wrong,
Speaker 1: but they seem like they're kind of content in that
Speaker 1: in that role of just going in here and working
Speaker 1: hard and not really speaking up a whole lot. Um.
Speaker 1: So I think the door was open for Tavon Austin
Speaker 1: to come in and kind of play that role. And
Speaker 1: he's not that much older than I don't know, was
Speaker 1: the same draft class as Terrence thirteen ye yeah, and
Speaker 1: Beasley was what twelve? I can't remember when Cole came
Speaker 1: in twelve or eleven. He's been here a little bit
Speaker 1: longer than that. So it's just a good It was
Speaker 1: a good situation for Tavan to come in and kind
Speaker 1: of established that leadership even though he hasn't been here
Speaker 1: because this this wide receiver room needed that. He got
Speaker 1: new codes, he got new players again to go back,
Speaker 1: I mean go back to skeptic and senate and all that.
Speaker 1: Like his career suggests that this isn't gonna work out.
Speaker 1: But everything I've seen on these fields is that he
Speaker 1: looks pretty damn good and I think he's going to
Speaker 1: be an important part of this offense too. Yeah, I agree. Now,
Speaker 1: now that we're talking about the receivers, just to mention
Speaker 1: that real quick, Cole Beasley was not in practice yesterday either.
Speaker 1: He did some stuff off to the side, but to
Speaker 1: those of you who wanted to know, he wasn't there.
Speaker 1: Another guy that was not there, Mark Queston Huff, a
Speaker 1: guy that has been suffering. He got injured in this
Speaker 1: past game against the forty nine ers. He has a
Speaker 1: growing injury. The timetable is kind of questionable. Right now,
Speaker 1: Let's just get down to brass tax Amber. What are
Speaker 1: we gonna what are we gonna do about these safeties? Oh,
Speaker 1: cave On Well was back at practice. He has h Soreny,
Speaker 1: we're getting there just hitting those Those are two safeties
Speaker 1: that are dealing with injuries. Yes, so again a position
Speaker 1: that to begin with doesn't really have any depth to it.
Speaker 1: Now we got two guys that are Yeah, never too
Speaker 1: early to start talking about the safety. I'm not even
Speaker 1: talking about that right now, Like, can we just that's
Speaker 1: what That's what fans mar Quest and Huff like the
Speaker 1: fifth safety. He's banged up straight for Earl? Right, where's
Speaker 1: cave is n for Earl? Like they need it, that's
Speaker 1: the answer to everything. They just need a guy trade
Speaker 1: for Earl. They need a guy in here, which well
Speaker 1: at this point, yes so at this point, but whether
Speaker 1: it's Earl or not, Earl whoever, Danny mccraiey like works
Speaker 1: in the league office now, I think he's's beyond retired.
Speaker 1: He'll be able to get a credential pretty fast. Good point,
Speaker 1: get over here. Okay, at this point, are the guy?
Speaker 1: Are the Cowboys now really really really really in need
Speaker 1: to bring in an extra body. I'm not speaking of
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas whoever. Just a safety guy I don't know,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett said, yet so Mark queston Huff it looks
Speaker 1: like he's gonna miss a little bit of time. And
Speaker 1: Marcus Martin is another guy. Ye surgery, Jason Garrett said,
Speaker 1: yesterday or maybe it was Saturday, He's like, we're gonna
Speaker 1: need to bring a guy in. He did not specify
Speaker 1: if he meant guard or safety or maybe he meant
Speaker 1: receiver because Marchie Murdoch is hurt. I expect them to
Speaker 1: add a guy sometime soon, but I, for the life
Speaker 1: of me, don't know who it is. But I just
Speaker 1: look at that safety depth chart. Okay, you got your starters, Cavan,
Speaker 1: you probably want to be careful with He's, you know,
Speaker 1: make sure his knee feels good. And then Huff is
Speaker 1: in practicing, so you've you've got right now, you have
Speaker 1: Heath Woods and Jamille Showers and then I okay, you
Speaker 1: got Cam Kelly and Tyree Robins, Himson Robins and the
Speaker 1: depth the depth situation just does not look good. And
Speaker 1: I just wonder when it's all said and done, and
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about Earl Thomas, I just won't be
Speaker 1: surprised if they're LA the force safety on the depth
Speaker 1: chart isn't here, right. Yeah, I think if I were
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, I would try to get a safety like
Speaker 1: another Marquest and Huff another veteran who's been around, bounced
Speaker 1: around a little bit, been on some practice squads, got
Speaker 1: some games. It's still like the veteran minimum somebody like that.
Speaker 1: That That's who I would Again, I don't really know
Speaker 1: who's out there. There are guys out there, the guys
Speaker 1: we've talked about all offseason, they're all gone now. So
Speaker 1: um the guys that were available, yeah, Boston and Vicaro.
Speaker 1: So I mean, hey, just go for it. Be a
Speaker 1: fun day. It'll happen on the off day. Don't worry.
Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. I really do think it's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I know you do still feel that way. But just
Speaker 1: but we let's just move on. But are you no,
Speaker 1: hold on just a second before we move on, because
Speaker 1: because if we talk about in every show, because more
Speaker 1: things happen, you have more conversations with people, You get
Speaker 1: more information. I kind of have an idea exactly where
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are on this thing and where Seattle is.
Speaker 1: I I feel like it's right there. If there was
Speaker 1: such a thing as a two and a half draft pick,
Speaker 1: this would be perfect. I think people, I think I
Speaker 1: don't want to know where We all say, okay, that's
Speaker 1: I mean, not a half. What has really changed aside
Speaker 1: from a body I don't know how then cave on
Speaker 1: suffering with another eight eight grand that Earl Thomas is
Speaker 1: paying every day, doesn't show up. That's what's changed he
Speaker 1: doesn't or whatever it is, I don't know. I let's
Speaker 1: let's hit on Jamil Showers real quick. He is a
Speaker 1: guy that fans like. Sorry why because do they like him?
Speaker 1: Jamil Nick is just burning it down right now and
Speaker 1: like a guy that the Cowboys have a struggle to
Speaker 1: find a spot for him, but clearly they lie him
Speaker 1: enough to do that trouble go through the trouble of
Speaker 1: putting him different spots as far as safety goes. I mean, here, here,
Speaker 1: here's he'd been looking. I'm gonna I'm gonna use this
Speaker 1: as another opportunity to talk about the right kind of guy.
Speaker 1: We do that a lot. It's a pet peeve of
Speaker 1: mine that fans throw that back at the team every
Speaker 1: time something happens. Jamille Showers is the right kind of
Speaker 1: guy in every single aspect of what you could be
Speaker 1: for a team like I mean, he's moved positions, he's
Speaker 1: he's given safety a shot. He's great on practice squad.
Speaker 1: He can be quarterback and play safety. He can do
Speaker 1: all these different things. He's one of the nicest guys
Speaker 1: on this whole team. Uh. He's just a high character dude.
Speaker 1: He's exactly what Jason Garrett's looking for accept Line one
Speaker 1: is that he's not He's not. He's not he's he's
Speaker 1: not there and and unfortunately it really sucks because he's
Speaker 1: out of practice squad eligibility. I can't I can't imagine
Speaker 1: a world where he makes the fifty three. I wish
Speaker 1: he could, because you know, good things should happen to
Speaker 1: good people, but I don't see it happening. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this two three years ago. Was he better
Speaker 1: at quarterback than like White? What we've seen out of
Speaker 1: Mike White. He was better than Mike White. He was
Speaker 1: better than Dak. Prescott in Oxnard in training camp was
Speaker 1: better than he was. I will go to my grave
Speaker 1: insisting that that's true. I will say it every time
Speaker 1: it comes up. He was better than Dak Dak. For
Speaker 1: all the people that are wringing their hands about what
Speaker 1: Dak looks like right now, he looked lost in that
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen training camp, at least for the two weeks
Speaker 1: before they played a game. I always thought Jamil was
Speaker 1: a better quarterback than moving him to safety whatever I mean.
Speaker 1: I think he could have developed into one I liked.
Speaker 1: I'd like the moxie that he had in that Rams
Speaker 1: game that we talked about. He was having to play
Speaker 1: behind Chaz Green for a quarter and a half, running
Speaker 1: for his life. He made a great play. I remember
Speaker 1: a great throw in the twenty sixteen preseason. I remember
Speaker 1: being kind of miffed that Dak and I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to talk trash on Dak, but Dak got the good players.
Speaker 1: Dak got to work with the good players, and Jamille
Speaker 1: never did. I wanted to see Jamil get a half
Speaker 1: with the ones, just to see if he could do it.
Speaker 1: But you know, the dirty little seek at the end. Fellas. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's you know, you gotta earn it every day and
Speaker 1: all that good crap. But politics come into like you're
Speaker 1: gonna you want to put your draft pick in position
Speaker 1: to succeed the undrafted guy. It's not as much of
Speaker 1: a priority. That's just a fact. And it goes for
Speaker 1: all positions, especially quarterback. Jamiel Showers is one of the
Speaker 1: great dudes on this team, but I don't think he
Speaker 1: will be a fifty three man roster guy. All right, well,
Speaker 1: fair enough, that's fair. Let's go ahead and take our
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Speaker 1: send me your questions. Like I said, now we're gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna steal what you did the other show and
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into the Top Newcomers. Ah. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: you did it with the other show that we had
Speaker 1: not published it yet, and you decided to talk about
Speaker 1: it because you were not prepared for the show. Who
Speaker 1: all right, we gotta stop taking shots at each other
Speaker 1: on the air. Guys, save it for save it for
Speaker 1: the ten. What are you talking about? I was prepared.
Speaker 1: I was prepared to talk about that Top ten. We
Speaker 1: had full people on the show. So have you done
Speaker 1: your list yet for new Top ten new Comers? No,
Speaker 1: because it's not out yet. Dave, give me your number
Speaker 1: one guy. I gotta pull up my email. But it
Speaker 1: was I remember it was Tavon Austin. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and this was rookies. It was uh, it was it
Speaker 1: wasn't just rookies. It was just guys that weren't on
Speaker 1: the team last year. So Lance Lenore's not in the
Speaker 1: in the group because he did play last year, so
Speaker 1: he's not on the list. Um, And it was a
Speaker 1: good mix of of of rookies and veterans. I think, honestly,
Speaker 1: a lot of the draft picks made it, except for
Speaker 1: Mike White. I think everybody but Mike, Well, he's on
Speaker 1: the list. He's just far down. He's on the list,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's not gonna be in the top ten.
Speaker 1: I had Tavon Austin. We already talked about how awesome
Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, Dorance Armstrong, I had it too, because
Speaker 1: in my experience, fourth round picks look like fourth round picks.
Speaker 1: Charles Tapper didn't light anybody's world on fire as a rookie.
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz is going through some rookie growing pains that
Speaker 1: didn't look good that good before the first game. Durrance
Speaker 1: Armstrong looks really good, looks awesome. Like they got him.
Speaker 1: He gets reps with the first team. He plays left
Speaker 1: and right end. He was bad ass in the San
Speaker 1: Francisco game. He's strong, He's got a strong like yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean like he knocked those guys down. To the
Speaker 1: ground with one hand, you know, like he's got some
Speaker 1: some which, again for a rookie out of Kansas, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think let's let's give and And I've heard I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is true, but I've heard people
Speaker 1: suggest that he would have been a much higher pick
Speaker 1: if he wasn't coming from the worst program in major
Speaker 1: college football. Do with that what you will, um, the
Speaker 1: I mean Carson Wins, I mean, yeah, I mean was
Speaker 1: a one, But I don't when you watch a team
Speaker 1: go one in eleven for four years. I don't know.
Speaker 1: But the thing for me is I want to reset
Speaker 1: what that means the expectations. Like he looks like a badass.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I think he's gonna have ten sacks
Speaker 1: as a rookie. I mean, DeMarcus Ware didn't even do that.
Speaker 1: I don't think no. Um, But when I when I
Speaker 1: thought of him, that's usually a position that I mean,
Speaker 1: you see some guys come in and he takes them
Speaker 1: insanely hard position to transition to, which when Dorin's Armstrong
Speaker 1: got drafted, I was like, Okay, they're obviously going to
Speaker 1: carry him on the team. He's a draft pick, but
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be able to do that much. He
Speaker 1: might not be active for every game. That's out the
Speaker 1: window for me. If he's healthy, he looks like a
Speaker 1: guy who can play twenty thirty percent of the snaps
Speaker 1: and have a role play on both sides, and he's
Speaker 1: got super high upside. Like again, not talking Pro Bowl,
Speaker 1: but he can be a meaningful contributor to this pass
Speaker 1: rush right away as sure as heck looks like that?
Speaker 1: Or is your Hall of Fame move? No ring of um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna keep going bow where those bow ranks? I
Speaker 1: had Bow at nine just and that's it's not anything
Speaker 1: that he's done wrong, but he's the third running back.
Speaker 1: Like he in practice, he doesn't get to show that
Speaker 1: much like he might. He might get three or four
Speaker 1: reps per day. He's had a couple of nice runs.
Speaker 1: Obviously he played well in the game. I had Cam
Speaker 1: Fleming at four. I think it's very smart what they're
Speaker 1: doing with him, letting him mix in with the first
Speaker 1: team and get reps at left tackle next to those guys.
Speaker 1: Connor Williams at five super impressive so far through camp,
Speaker 1: had some hiccups. Who doesn't Joe Thomas, Alan Hearns Antoine
Speaker 1: Woods at eight coming at a note, coming off the
Speaker 1: bench the second. Yeah, just it's because it's hard to
Speaker 1: notice defensive tackles, to be honest, like, let's be very
Speaker 1: should tell you a lot more. Let's be very honest
Speaker 1: for a second. How much would we be talking about
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods if not for the Travis Frederick for the incident.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he hasn't done anything else, but
Speaker 1: that is, if it's a flash point of camp, it
Speaker 1: makes him much more visible. He's had some good reps,
Speaker 1: he's working with the first team. Not trying to take
Speaker 1: anything away from him. It's a good point about the fight,
Speaker 1: but also it was all what led to the fight
Speaker 1: was the fact that he kind of drove him back,
Speaker 1: and you know, he was beating these guys. It's the
Speaker 1: same thing with Dorn's Armstrong. You know, he's beaten some
Speaker 1: some um, he's beaten Lyelle out here. He's done a
Speaker 1: good job. That's why I would rate him a little higher,
Speaker 1: just because that is a position that you tend not
Speaker 1: to look at that much. And the fact that he
Speaker 1: has um emerged and his name has been put out
Speaker 1: there and people are starting to get to know him.
Speaker 1: As you send that, I'm sure it'll you'll have Antine
Speaker 1: Woods higher on your I think, wow, I think I
Speaker 1: haven't done mine either. But I will say this, Joe
Speaker 1: Thomas is going to be number one for me. That's
Speaker 1: totally fair because because of what's happened out here of
Speaker 1: you know, he's starting, he's playing all you know, Sean
Speaker 1: Lee really hasn't played, and he's stepped in, and I
Speaker 1: think the defense has looked really good weaving without Sean Lee,
Speaker 1: which is a big thing that did not happen last year.
Speaker 1: It was, oh my god, the weak side linebackers out
Speaker 1: and the whole thing goes to crape. And I think
Speaker 1: I don't think that'll happen this year. And I think
Speaker 1: that's a big you know, a lot of that is
Speaker 1: on his shoulders. I'm gonna put him number one on
Speaker 1: the list. I don't have a problem with that at all.
Speaker 1: I skipped Michael Gallup. I had him at three for
Speaker 1: whatever was with But to you to your point, and
Speaker 1: maybe this isn't fair, but I've just been burned. I've
Speaker 1: been burned by the camp d tackle Darling before and
Speaker 1: where I mean Davon Coleman, Janelle Jenkins Lewis Neil Montavius Stanley.
Speaker 1: I think that was before my time. I just like
Speaker 1: seeing that name. I think he's a sixth round pick,
Speaker 1: maybe out of Louisville way back in the day. Montavius Stanley.
Speaker 1: I had Layton Vanderash bringing it up at number ten,
Speaker 1: which you know he's he's had some moments. He looks
Speaker 1: yeah he didn't make that. No, he looks ready to contribute.
Speaker 1: But um, you know again growing pains. He hasn't Allen
Speaker 1: and I was I think we had Alan wait, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I had him. Um, I had him at seven.
Speaker 1: I had Alan Herns at seven. Um. As far as
Speaker 1: vander Esh goes, I was talking to Brian this and
Speaker 1: just evaluating him where he's at right now. And one
Speaker 1: of the things, I mean, Brian brought us the football analyst,
Speaker 1: Brian brought us. What did I say? You said, Brian,
Speaker 1: Let's make sure that we let's make sure that we
Speaker 1: you know, with everybody watching, we make sure that we
Speaker 1: talk about you know, in case you don't know, as
Speaker 1: Brian b ran, Thank you so right, vander Esh. The
Speaker 1: problem with him is it just comes down to experience,
Speaker 1: and he's a very athletic guy, and he has all
Speaker 1: those things that you need for a linebacker. What he's
Speaker 1: missing is that experience and maybe those instincts as far
Speaker 1: as you know he it took a while for Jalen
Speaker 1: to gain that and now we're starting to see it.
Speaker 1: Shaun Lee, he's amazing. He can even close his eyes
Speaker 1: and know where the player is going. I mean, eventually
Speaker 1: Vendor will hopefully get there playing next to these guys
Speaker 1: right here to that point, you know, I this is
Speaker 1: an argument that goes all the way back to the draft,
Speaker 1: and I know some people are still talking about it.
Speaker 1: Is that, well, if Jalen's taking this step, for like
Speaker 1: Layton Vanderesh was a redundant pick, that was a bad move.
Speaker 1: I don't buy that at all because he hasn't lit
Speaker 1: the world on fire out here. But he absolutely doesn't
Speaker 1: look lost or like he doesn't belong, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like he has looked solid. He looks like
Speaker 1: he's picking it up. He's a smart guy. He's been
Speaker 1: attached to Sean at the hip number one. I like
Speaker 1: with the way this team fell apart without Shawn Lee
Speaker 1: last year, I don't think there's too much you can
Speaker 1: do to ensure that position. And on top of that,
Speaker 1: Shaun Lee's thirty two years old, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's next year or two years however many years
Speaker 1: from now. But like Jalen Smith and Layton vander Esh
Speaker 1: look like the future of this linebacker car And you
Speaker 1: don't draft first round picks or really first or second
Speaker 1: round picks just for what they're going to be able
Speaker 1: to do this year. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you expect
Speaker 1: them to contribute, but you know they've done it before.
Speaker 1: They're drafting guys knowing what's probably not going to be
Speaker 1: on the team next year or the year after. So
Speaker 1: would I be geeked beyond belief if Derwin James is
Speaker 1: on this team. Yeah? But I don't think Laden Vanderman
Speaker 1: bad parents. They wouldn't have even done it. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: They loved Layden vander ash that much. So let's take
Speaker 1: a call from Anthony in Miami. Hey, how y'all doing great?
Speaker 1: How are you good? I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good. Um.
Speaker 1: I know I called him hanging with the boys more
Speaker 1: often sending them making them But and of course you
Speaker 1: on that before, Nick, Um, I love your show A
Speaker 1: listening all the time. Just don't get a chance to
Speaker 1: call because of the hours. Doc God hard, I will.
Speaker 1: I will stand up with this guy regardless and maybe
Speaker 1: to a fault. What I see when I see that
Speaker 1: I seem a leader to be that young. I see
Speaker 1: a guy, especially with example things, that took that on
Speaker 1: his shoulders and said that I'm gonna have my voice
Speaker 1: and be a leader. He may have accuracy problems at times,
Speaker 1: but you can't win twenty two out of third three games,
Speaker 1: one being the playoff game and not be what people
Speaker 1: are considering or trying to say that maybe this is
Speaker 1: a make or break year this and that I don't
Speaker 1: believe it at all. I believe we lose that Prescott.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard to find a quarterback, and I
Speaker 1: believe he's the right quarterback for this team. He's got
Speaker 1: some outstanding stats. At the same time, he's got two
Speaker 1: NFL records already. I know he has Zeke in the backfield.
Speaker 1: But if we put a good defense with this guy,
Speaker 1: just me saying that we put a good defense with
Speaker 1: this guy. This guy's a natural warn leader. He's gonna
Speaker 1: take us to a chap ship in about three years.
Speaker 1: I guarantee it that's all safe, all right. I think
Speaker 1: Dad has a great advantage plane behind that offensive line
Speaker 1: that he allows him even in the future, let's say
Speaker 1: the line you start getting some trouble there on the
Speaker 1: old line, it allows him to gain old those games,
Speaker 1: you know, an experience. I would say you have more
Speaker 1: experience playing it more safely in a way. Although he
Speaker 1: struggled last year because of what happened with Tyrant's injury,
Speaker 1: but the fact that he's playing behind that old line
Speaker 1: really really helps him in his growth as a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and I think I mean I
Speaker 1: if I think you're what you're saying is is right
Speaker 1: now he can lean on them as he's still maturing
Speaker 1: as a quarterback, and when the time comes where they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to lean on him, he was able to
Speaker 1: do that in his early years. And that's been my
Speaker 1: biggest beef. I don't disagree with that call. Really, that's
Speaker 1: my biggest beef with this whole thing. Has always been
Speaker 1: like he's nothing without his line and his running back. No, duh,
Speaker 1: who cares he's twenty four years old. If if he
Speaker 1: still needs that strong of a supporting cast when he's
Speaker 1: thirty one and making one hundred and twenty million dollars,
Speaker 1: then you have a problem. I expect a third year
Speaker 1: quarterback drafted in the fourth round to need some help.
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that. The only issue I have
Speaker 1: with that call is, if we're speaking strictly by definition,
Speaker 1: I think it is a make or break year for
Speaker 1: Dak because if he is bad, if he is just bad,
Speaker 1: then that you're putting yourself. You got to have a
Speaker 1: conversation about what the future is going forward, and maybe
Speaker 1: you draft a quarterback, maybe you decide Dak as the
Speaker 1: guy anyway, but those questions will be asked and they
Speaker 1: will be fair. If he's not good this year, that
Speaker 1: that's just true. Having said that, I'm not worried about
Speaker 1: him at all. I think he's gonna be great. I really,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to be an issue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it'll be a tough evaluation if they do bad.
Speaker 1: I mean, because now you're talking about coaching and you
Speaker 1: know the player and what's the percentage there. That is
Speaker 1: what we will talk about from January until May or April.
Speaker 1: If this team falls short, specifically Dak, like, the debate
Speaker 1: will be, you know, are you going forward with Dak,
Speaker 1: is he the right guy? Or are you looking at
Speaker 1: quarterback in the early going to this draft. And that's
Speaker 1: what we'll ask Jerry about at the combine. That's what
Speaker 1: you know when we go to the owners meetings, when
Speaker 1: we're having private conversations with people behind closed doors, that's
Speaker 1: what people will be trying to figure out that it's unavoidable.
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's gonna happen because I think
Speaker 1: Dak's gonna play well. You know, to talk about him
Speaker 1: being a natural born leader, and you know, this is
Speaker 1: definitely his team, his offense. And we've said so many
Speaker 1: times about now that Dez isn't here, it will allow
Speaker 1: him to be more of a leader. Let's not forget
Speaker 1: that with Jason Witten not here, it'll allow him to
Speaker 1: be more of a leader too. You can't tell me
Speaker 1: that Dak Prescott and Jason Witten are you know, saw
Speaker 1: eye to eye every single time. They probably didn't. The
Speaker 1: way Witten leads is not the way Dak leads. And
Speaker 1: it is tough for Dak to try to do things.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jason Witten has penalties all the time. It's
Speaker 1: hard to jump on him as well. Now he does
Speaker 1: things the right way, but still not having Jason Witten
Speaker 1: here will open the door even more for Dak. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's a good thing. I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: players like that still affect the quarterback from the leader.
Speaker 1: Now there's no guarantee who the guy is. It's it's Dak.
Speaker 1: The lineman aren't going to be the leaders. It's Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott one thousand percent. And this will really get a
Speaker 1: chance to see this natural board leader. We'll get to
Speaker 1: see it, you know, to a t this year because
Speaker 1: he'll have the voice of everybody. Yep, yeah, okay here,
Speaker 1: he'll have the ears of everyone, might have the voice.
Speaker 1: He might have the voice too. I don't know everything
Speaker 1: he does. Some wicked impressions from what I hear. We
Speaker 1: have a question from Alex Macho through Twitter, and we
Speaker 1: talked about Jalen and Rico Gathers. So here's this question.
Speaker 1: Why would benefit the Cowboys the most for Week one?
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith slashed Joe Thomas playing at a high level,
Speaker 1: or Rico Gathers putting it all together and being the
Speaker 1: team's go to tight end. I go to tight end.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to crap on Rico But like I
Speaker 1: said earlier in the show, I just I can't see
Speaker 1: that happening. I can see Joe Thomas and Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: playing at a high, high level that we saw it
Speaker 1: the other night. I can't that's a reality. But in
Speaker 1: a fantasy, in a fantasy world where Rico Gathers plays
Speaker 1: like Gronk, Hell yeah give me that. Yeah, give me
Speaker 1: that ten times out of ten, I just don't see
Speaker 1: it happening. You know, we never say this the other
Speaker 1: way because it's kind of insulting, but it's never stopped
Speaker 1: us before. What did I say about Ezekiel Elliott? What
Speaker 1: was my Jason Garrett line for him? He's just a
Speaker 1: really damn good football player. The thing about Rico Gathers
Speaker 1: is he's just not He's just not a football player
Speaker 1: right now. He's just a raw talent that's working into
Speaker 1: being a football player. So we say it about he's
Speaker 1: just this guy's just a good football player. He just
Speaker 1: knows how to play the game. Well, Rico right now doesn't.
Speaker 1: He's just a really great athlete that's trying to learn
Speaker 1: how to play football. It's really hard to think by
Speaker 1: Week one in Carolina that all of a sudden, he's
Speaker 1: just put it all in together and now he's Antonio Gates.
Speaker 1: I mean, who, by the way, I did I don't
Speaker 1: know why I even said that. Who, by the way
Speaker 1: was that basketball player? And oh well, and he seriously,
Speaker 1: but he played football in high school. He played football,
Speaker 1: I think in college. I don't know, I played basketball college.
Speaker 1: But still, it's just hard to think it's all gonna
Speaker 1: happen like that. And the Cowboys they're not going to
Speaker 1: allow him to be that guy. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the role is going to be, but he's not gonna
Speaker 1: be the starting tight end of this football team. If
Speaker 1: you're a Rico fan, and I know there's a lot
Speaker 1: of you, yeah, I'm not trying to suggest that I'm not.
Speaker 1: But if you're a Rico fan and you won him
Speaker 1: on the team, the best bet is again for the
Speaker 1: coaching staff in the front office to decide that what
Speaker 1: he can do is valuable enough to keep him on
Speaker 1: the roster, find him a special team's role that justifies
Speaker 1: him getting a jersey, and then he's like a red
Speaker 1: zone goal line guy who can come in. He's like,
Speaker 1: for lack of a better comparison, he could be like
Speaker 1: you're Mike Vrabel, like when you're down, you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: we need we need a touchdown. Put this big six
Speaker 1: seven monster on the field, which I think that would
Speaker 1: be smart to three tight ends down there comes completely
Speaker 1: okay with him having a niche role on this team
Speaker 1: that involves catching balls in the red zone. You just
Speaker 1: gotta let me figure out the rest of it to
Speaker 1: make it make sense. Numbers one, let me ask both
Speaker 1: of all this question. Will Rico Gathers be on a
Speaker 1: fifty three man roster this year? Yes, he will. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he will be on a fifty three. So if he's
Speaker 1: not on this team, somebody, Yeah, the team was gonna
Speaker 1: come in, Oh, I can make this guy turn into
Speaker 1: this amazing tight end, and they're gonna take him and
Speaker 1: they probably won't use the voice. They'll probably be like,
Speaker 1: they'll probably you know, just do their own. Yeah. We
Speaker 1: have confidence in our staff and our coaching staff that
Speaker 1: we'll be able to develop him. And the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: done a pretty good job, but we think we can
Speaker 1: enhance that and he's gonna fit in right well, you know,
Speaker 1: well on our football team. Got it. As we play
Speaker 1: the Cowboys this week, I'm I'm so torn on that
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of sence that suggests that he's
Speaker 1: not going to be on this roster. But there's just
Speaker 1: enough potential there and what you're talking about. Don't for
Speaker 1: a second think that they don't think about that when
Speaker 1: they want to. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: what to expect. I could see it going either way.
Speaker 1: That's the biggest fear that a lot of teams have,
Speaker 1: you know, when they've developed these guys and and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden that they're gonna have to let him
Speaker 1: go and spending three years teaching him how to play
Speaker 1: the position, and then he catches six touchdowns for the
Speaker 1: Jets or whoever, I'm teaching him how to beat you.
Speaker 1: Because then when you yeah, thank you your faith. Do
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