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Speaker 1: Good morning, guys. It is Monday today and it does

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Speaker 1: Who knows doing what? I don't know? Nobody fights? I think,

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Speaker 1: how are you guys doing? I'm awesome? Thank you age

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Speaker 1: than we are. We going to have an awesome show today.

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Speaker 1: No fights don't fights make the show. Good fights are

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Speaker 1: what you want. Yesterday was a little uh yeah, just

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Speaker 1: We all get right into Randy Gregory, another guy that

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Speaker 1: made headlines yesterday. He took part in Team What Go

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Speaker 1: Ahead movement like Hall hell Fame, Hell yeah, Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: Randy Gregory more like really good. So yeah, so I

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Speaker 1: wanted I wanted to ask you guys. Uh. Jerry Jones

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Speaker 1: Is a previous season game? Season yeah? Week one? Uh,

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Speaker 1: season opener. That's the way I was looking for season openers.

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Speaker 1: So based on what we saw today, what you guys watched,

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Speaker 1: writing with everyone else? I would say somewhere in between.

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Speaker 1: But he doesn't look like a guy that's been out

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Speaker 1: He looks um physically, he looks bigger, stronger, He looks

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Speaker 1: I feel I feel two types of way about Randy

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Speaker 1: And that was David Hellman that said that. David Hellman,

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Speaker 1: Maybe throw in Chris Covington as a special teams player

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00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: and you got a pretty nice little unit right there. Yeah.

426
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Speaker 1: And I just think when if you look around the league,

427
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: somebody loses some linebackers and then maybe they want to

428
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 1: make a trade man. Maybe it gets to that point

429
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 1: where they have a tied in or you need to

430
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 1: you need to get depth as certain the spot. I'm

431
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 1: not talking about a safety. I'm just talking about you

432
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 1: know this, that's the time you where you make some trades.

433
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 1: I could see where the Cowboys would say we could

434
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 1: part with a linebacker, which maybe I get your logic.

435
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: The reason the reason I said I don't like that

436
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 1: idea is because this linebacker group has not earned our trust.

437
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: Like if if Sean Lee was Zach Martin and he'd

438
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 1: never missed a snap in his career and be like, yeah, well,

439
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: what can we get for these guys? But it's not

440
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: the case. How can it earn? Not earn your trust,

441
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: but it earns the number two spot on your list

442
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: is your list talent list. We're talking about right now.

443
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: What I've seen from twenty days of training camp, all right,

444
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 1: but given the history of things, I know. But and

445
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: another part of that is, you know, last year, on paper,

446
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: the linebacking corps didn't look terrible either, but it fell apart,

447
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: and so it's highly talented. But I really think they're

448
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: better equipped to weather that if it happens again this

449
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 1: year yeah, and then we kind of hit on the

450
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: running back position. I wanted to talk about a Sekiel

451
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 1: Elliott And now we're starting to see a different role

452
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 1: that he's playing in the offense, you know, getting more

453
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: of those acting more as a receiver, receiver that accent

454
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 1: just can't get away from. Sorry, never apologize for being

455
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,360
Speaker 1: you Amber acting. Thank you, Dave acting more as a receiver.

456
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 1: So I wanted to see with you guys, are you

457
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: guys liking that role? I mean, is he playing well

458
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: at that position of yeah, do you know, acting more

459
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: as a receiver and catching the ball more. I think

460
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: that it's going to be interesting to see is he

461
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: a receiver when things break down? Are they going to

462
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: actually get him the ball? Like guy like Levon Bell

463
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: and Pittsburgh, he catches the ball because that's the play.

464
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 1: The play is to throw him the ball and get

465
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: him get him out there. And I don't really know

466
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: if it's other than a few screens here and there

467
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: that just go eighty three and seventy yards for touchdowns.

468
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: So maybe they should do it more. But oh those

469
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: design screens. A lot of times it's more of kind

470
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 1: of a dump you know, dump pass Flair's screen and

471
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, So I think that they

472
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: should try to get the ball to him a little

473
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: bit more out in space. But usually the way this

474
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 1: offense goes, it's kind of a check down to him.

475
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: You're right, and that's you know again, I guess what

476
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 1: the question. I didn't answer the question at all, the

477
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: question should you should they throw the ball to him? Are?

478
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: It's really what it comes down to. Should they make

479
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: him more of the offense for the passing game? I mean,

480
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Speaker 1: do you do okay, Dave, do you like him better

481
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: as a receiver type, you know, playing those screen passes

482
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: or just have him just run the ball? Bat want

483
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: him to do it all. He should do all of

484
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: that stuff, and he has out here, That's the important thing,

485
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: which I gotta see it translate by He's been split

486
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: out wide, he's run some routes down the seam, he's

487
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: run some Texas routes. He's He's done more of that

488
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: receiver type stuff out here than I can remember at

489
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: any point in camp. And I actually asked him that

490
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,479
Speaker 1: yesterday and he was like, yeah, it's been a heavier

491
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: workload in that regard, but I like it. I'm up

492
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: for it, which I love to hear. I you know, well,

493
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: we argued about this with Nate the other day, Like

494
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 1: he needs to have north of him, he needs to

495
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: have north of three hundred carries and when that's why

496
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: he suspended Yeah, yeah, Nate suspended me. He think Nate

497
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: he needs now he needs to be running the hell

498
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: out of the rock and he needs to have more

499
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 1: than fifty targets. And he's I think he's got like

500
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Speaker 1: what he's got somewhere in the neighborhood of forty receptions

501
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: for his career. Like that's not just that's not good

502
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: enough for a guy that's talented, Like he needs to

503
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 1: be doing everything in the mold of a Levion Bell

504
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 1: or a David Johnson. My my take on him, and

505
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 1: it might be one that you've heard before, but my

506
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: take on as he kill it Elliott is he's just

507
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: him good football player and he has been for a

508
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,479
Speaker 1: long time. And you know, yeah, you want to give

509
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: him the ball, uh in the passing game, the running

510
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: game and do it all, you know, you know, and

511
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: he loves football. He's passionate about football. He comes to

512
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: world Line one in the NFL running back is being

513
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: able to do it all. I'm just I'm super encouraged

514
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: about what they've done with him out here and what

515
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,959
Speaker 1: he looks like like he just he looks like a

516
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: different player and absolutely that the I hate, I hate

517
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: giving fantasy football advice, but like the easiest way I

518
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: could say it is draft him, Draft him high, draft

519
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: him first, honestly, like I think so, I'm I think

520
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's primed for who do you think here?

521
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: And the fact that he came back from the whole

522
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: mess that happened last year and this year he's been

523
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: he has not caused any problems. Not him on his

524
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: plate other than being running back. I don't know if

525
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: this is on it like a list of what we

526
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: were talking about, but you don't have to give me

527
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: a top ten. But who would be like the best player?

528
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith has been like outstanding and so as Ezekiel Elliott.

529
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: Who would be the number one player right now? We're

530
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: gonna do this at the end of camp, But who

531
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: would be like a vote for you of this guy's

532
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: been the best player at training camp? Camp MVP is

533
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: one of our twenty questions that we talked about. Zeke

534
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: is in the Zeke is on the short list. Jalen

535
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: Smith is shirt certainly on the short list. Um about you,

536
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin, Tavon got a lot of uh, got a

537
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: lot of love. We're going to roll out of a

538
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: top ten of the newcomers, new faces, and it's got

539
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: away for everyone to turn their stuff. But when they do,

540
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: can get that up. You know, We've talked Jerry talked

541
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: to the media last night. We've mentioned him a few times.

542
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: He kind of held court with the reporters last night

543
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: after practice, and he praised Tavon, not just for what

544
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: he's done on the field, but he mean, I hate

545
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: he compared him to Michael Irvin just in terms of

546
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: the intensity and the let's you know, the competitive attitude

547
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: that he would bring. Yeah, and you see it. He's

548
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a fiery guy. Like in terms of

549
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: who's going to replace Dez Scream. He'll dance around, He'll

550
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: act like he's on a horse jumping around. He does

551
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: he does. He does it a little bit differently than

552
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: does but he definitely brings that competitive spirit to every practice.

553
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 1: So he's he's been a great addition in a lot

554
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, and this and This is a good

555
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: set up for him and guy like him and Hearns

556
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: because this this wide receiver corps needed a leader like that. Um. Yes,

557
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: they had some holdovers in Terrence Williams and Cole Beasley,

558
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: but I think we're seeing that those guys aren't really

559
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: vocal leaders. They haven't really been that type of player,

560
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: and I think, I don't know, I could be wrong,

561
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: but they seem like they're kind of content in that

562
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: in that role of just going in here and working

563
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: hard and not really speaking up a whole lot. Um.

564
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: So I think the door was open for Tavon Austin

565
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: to come in and kind of play that role. And

566
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: he's not that much older than I don't know, was

567
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: the same draft class as Terrence thirteen ye yeah, and

568
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: Beasley was what twelve? I can't remember when Cole came

569
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: in twelve or eleven. He's been here a little bit

570
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: longer than that. So it's just a good It was

571
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: a good situation for Tavan to come in and kind

572
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: of established that leadership even though he hasn't been here

573
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: because this this wide receiver room needed that. He got

574
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: new codes, he got new players again to go back,

575
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: I mean go back to skeptic and senate and all that.

576
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: Like his career suggests that this isn't gonna work out.

577
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: But everything I've seen on these fields is that he

578
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: looks pretty damn good and I think he's going to

579
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: be an important part of this offense too. Yeah, I agree. Now,

580
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: now that we're talking about the receivers, just to mention

581
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: that real quick, Cole Beasley was not in practice yesterday either.

582
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: He did some stuff off to the side, but to

583
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: those of you who wanted to know, he wasn't there.

584
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: Another guy that was not there, Mark Queston Huff, a

585
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 1: guy that has been suffering. He got injured in this

586
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: past game against the forty nine ers. He has a

587
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: growing injury. The timetable is kind of questionable. Right now,

588
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: Let's just get down to brass tax Amber. What are

589
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: we gonna what are we gonna do about these safeties? Oh,

590
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: cave On Well was back at practice. He has h Soreny,

591
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: we're getting there just hitting those Those are two safeties

592
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: that are dealing with injuries. Yes, so again a position

593
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: that to begin with doesn't really have any depth to it.

594
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,719
Speaker 1: Now we got two guys that are Yeah, never too

595
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: early to start talking about the safety. I'm not even

596
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: talking about that right now, Like, can we just that's

597
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: what That's what fans mar Quest and Huff like the

598
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: fifth safety. He's banged up straight for Earl? Right, where's

599
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: cave is n for Earl? Like they need it, that's

600
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: the answer to everything. They just need a guy trade

601
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: for Earl. They need a guy in here, which well

602
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: at this point, yes so at this point, but whether

603
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: it's Earl or not, Earl whoever, Danny mccraiey like works

604
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: in the league office now, I think he's's beyond retired.

605
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: He'll be able to get a credential pretty fast. Good point,

606
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: get over here. Okay, at this point, are the guy?

607
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: Are the Cowboys now really really really really in need

608
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: to bring in an extra body. I'm not speaking of

609
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas whoever. Just a safety guy I don't know,

610
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett said, yet so Mark queston Huff it looks

611
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: like he's gonna miss a little bit of time. And

612
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: Marcus Martin is another guy. Ye surgery, Jason Garrett said,

613
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: yesterday or maybe it was Saturday, He's like, we're gonna

614
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: need to bring a guy in. He did not specify

615
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: if he meant guard or safety or maybe he meant

616
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: receiver because Marchie Murdoch is hurt. I expect them to

617
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: add a guy sometime soon, but I, for the life

618
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: of me, don't know who it is. But I just

619
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: look at that safety depth chart. Okay, you got your starters, Cavan,

620
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: you probably want to be careful with He's, you know,

621
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: make sure his knee feels good. And then Huff is

622
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,239
Speaker 1: in practicing, so you've you've got right now, you have

623
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: Heath Woods and Jamille Showers and then I okay, you

624
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: got Cam Kelly and Tyree Robins, Himson Robins and the

625
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: depth the depth situation just does not look good. And

626
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: I just wonder when it's all said and done, and

627
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about Earl Thomas, I just won't be

628
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: surprised if they're LA the force safety on the depth

629
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: chart isn't here, right. Yeah, I think if I were

630
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, I would try to get a safety like

631
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: another Marquest and Huff another veteran who's been around, bounced

632
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: around a little bit, been on some practice squads, got

633
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: some games. It's still like the veteran minimum somebody like that.

634
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: That That's who I would Again, I don't really know

635
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: who's out there. There are guys out there, the guys

636
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: we've talked about all offseason, they're all gone now. So

637
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Speaker 1: um the guys that were available, yeah, Boston and Vicaro.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, hey, just go for it. Be a

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Speaker 1: fun day. It'll happen on the off day. Don't worry.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. I really do think it's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: I know you do still feel that way. But just

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Speaker 1: but we let's just move on. But are you no,

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Speaker 1: hold on just a second before we move on, because

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Speaker 1: because if we talk about in every show, because more

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Speaker 1: things happen, you have more conversations with people, You get

646
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Speaker 1: more information. I kind of have an idea exactly where

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys are on this thing and where Seattle is.

648
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: I I feel like it's right there. If there was

649
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Speaker 1: such a thing as a two and a half draft pick,

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Speaker 1: this would be perfect. I think people, I think I

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Speaker 1: don't want to know where We all say, okay, that's

652
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Speaker 1: I mean, not a half. What has really changed aside

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Speaker 1: from a body I don't know how then cave on

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Speaker 1: suffering with another eight eight grand that Earl Thomas is

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Speaker 1: paying every day, doesn't show up. That's what's changed he

656
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Speaker 1: doesn't or whatever it is, I don't know. I let's

657
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: let's hit on Jamil Showers real quick. He is a

658
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Speaker 1: guy that fans like. Sorry why because do they like him?

659
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: Jamil Nick is just burning it down right now and

660
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Speaker 1: like a guy that the Cowboys have a struggle to

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Speaker 1: find a spot for him, but clearly they lie him

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Speaker 1: enough to do that trouble go through the trouble of

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Speaker 1: putting him different spots as far as safety goes. I mean, here, here,

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Speaker 1: here's he'd been looking. I'm gonna I'm gonna use this

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Speaker 1: as another opportunity to talk about the right kind of guy.

666
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Speaker 1: We do that a lot. It's a pet peeve of

667
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: mine that fans throw that back at the team every

668
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Speaker 1: time something happens. Jamille Showers is the right kind of

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Speaker 1: guy in every single aspect of what you could be

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Speaker 1: for a team like I mean, he's moved positions, he's

671
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: he's given safety a shot. He's great on practice squad.

672
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: He can be quarterback and play safety. He can do

673
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Speaker 1: all these different things. He's one of the nicest guys

674
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Speaker 1: on this whole team. Uh. He's just a high character dude.

675
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: He's exactly what Jason Garrett's looking for accept Line one

676
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: is that he's not He's not. He's not he's he's

677
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Speaker 1: not there and and unfortunately it really sucks because he's

678
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Speaker 1: out of practice squad eligibility. I can't I can't imagine

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Speaker 1: a world where he makes the fifty three. I wish

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Speaker 1: he could, because you know, good things should happen to

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Speaker 1: good people, but I don't see it happening. Let me

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Speaker 1: ask you this two three years ago. Was he better

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Speaker 1: Mike White. He was better than Mike White. He was

685
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Speaker 1: better than Dak. Prescott in Oxnard in training camp was

686
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: better than he was. I will go to my grave

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Speaker 1: insisting that that's true. I will say it every time

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Speaker 1: it comes up. He was better than Dak Dak. For

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Speaker 1: all the people that are wringing their hands about what

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Speaker 1: Dak looks like right now, he looked lost in that

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen training camp, at least for the two weeks

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Speaker 1: before they played a game. I always thought Jamil was

693
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Speaker 1: a better quarterback than moving him to safety whatever I mean.

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Speaker 1: I think he could have developed into one I liked.

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Speaker 1: I'd like the moxie that he had in that Rams

696
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Speaker 1: game that we talked about. He was having to play

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Speaker 1: behind Chaz Green for a quarter and a half, running

698
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Speaker 1: for his life. He made a great play. I remember

699
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 1: a great throw in the twenty sixteen preseason. I remember

700
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: being kind of miffed that Dak and I'm not trying

701
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: to talk trash on Dak, but Dak got the good players.

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Speaker 1: Dak got to work with the good players, and Jamille

703
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Speaker 1: never did. I wanted to see Jamil get a half

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Speaker 1: with the ones, just to see if he could do it.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the dirty little seek at the end. Fellas. Yes,

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Speaker 1: to succeed the undrafted guy. It's not as much of

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Speaker 1: a priority. That's just a fact. And it goes for

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Speaker 1: all positions, especially quarterback. Jamiel Showers is one of the

712
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Speaker 1: will be a fifty three man roster guy. All right, well,

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Speaker 1: send me your questions. Like I said, now we're gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna steal what you did the other show and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get into the Top Newcomers. Ah. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: you did it with the other show that we had

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Speaker 1: all right, we gotta stop taking shots at each other

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Speaker 1: the ten. What are you talking about? I was prepared.

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Speaker 1: I was prepared to talk about that Top ten. We

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Speaker 1: had full people on the show. So have you done

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Speaker 1: your list yet for new Top ten new Comers? No,

771
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Speaker 1: because it's not out yet. Dave, give me your number

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Speaker 1: one guy. I gotta pull up my email. But it

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Speaker 1: was I remember it was Tavon Austin. Yeah, I mean,

774
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Speaker 1: and this was rookies. It was uh, it was it

775
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Speaker 1: wasn't just rookies. It was just guys that weren't on

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Speaker 1: the team last year. So Lance Lenore's not in the

777
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: in the group because he did play last year, so

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Speaker 1: he's not on the list. Um, And it was a

779
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Speaker 1: good mix of of of rookies and veterans. I think, honestly,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the draft picks made it, except for

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Speaker 1: Mike White. I think everybody but Mike, Well, he's on

782
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Speaker 1: the list. He's just far down. He's on the list,

783
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Speaker 1: but yeah, it's not gonna be in the top ten.

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Speaker 1: I had Tavon Austin. We already talked about how awesome

785
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Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, Dorance Armstrong, I had it too, because

786
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Speaker 1: in my experience, fourth round picks look like fourth round picks.

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Speaker 1: Charles Tapper didn't light anybody's world on fire as a rookie.

788
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz is going through some rookie growing pains that

789
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: didn't look good that good before the first game. Durrance

790
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: Armstrong looks really good, looks awesome. Like they got him.

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Speaker 1: He gets reps with the first team. He plays left

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Speaker 1: and right end. He was bad ass in the San

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Speaker 1: Francisco game. He's strong, He's got a strong like yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean like he knocked those guys down. To the

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Speaker 1: ground with one hand, you know, like he's got some

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Speaker 1: some which, again for a rookie out of Kansas, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think let's let's give and And I've heard I

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Speaker 1: don't know if this is true, but I've heard people

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Speaker 1: suggest that he would have been a much higher pick

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Speaker 1: if he wasn't coming from the worst program in major

801
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Speaker 1: college football. Do with that what you will, um, the

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00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: I mean Carson Wins, I mean, yeah, I mean was

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Speaker 1: a one, But I don't when you watch a team

804
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: go one in eleven for four years. I don't know.

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00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: But the thing for me is I want to reset

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00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: what that means the expectations. Like he looks like a badass.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I think he's gonna have ten sacks

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00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: as a rookie. I mean, DeMarcus Ware didn't even do that.

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00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: I don't think no. Um, But when I when I

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00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: thought of him, that's usually a position that I mean,

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Speaker 1: you see some guys come in and he takes them

812
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: insanely hard position to transition to, which when Dorin's Armstrong

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Speaker 1: got drafted, I was like, Okay, they're obviously going to

814
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Speaker 1: carry him on the team. He's a draft pick, but

815
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Speaker 1: he's not gonna be able to do that much. He

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Speaker 1: might not be active for every game. That's out the

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Speaker 1: window for me. If he's healthy, he looks like a

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Speaker 1: guy who can play twenty thirty percent of the snaps

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Speaker 1: and have a role play on both sides, and he's

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Speaker 1: got super high upside. Like again, not talking Pro Bowl,

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Speaker 1: but he can be a meaningful contributor to this pass

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Speaker 1: rush right away as sure as heck looks like that?

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Speaker 1: Or is your Hall of Fame move? No ring of um. Yeah,

824
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Speaker 1: you're gonna keep going bow where those bow ranks? I

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Speaker 1: had Bow at nine just and that's it's not anything

826
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: that he's done wrong, but he's the third running back.

827
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Speaker 1: Like he in practice, he doesn't get to show that

828
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Speaker 1: much like he might. He might get three or four

829
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Speaker 1: reps per day. He's had a couple of nice runs.

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Speaker 1: Obviously he played well in the game. I had Cam

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Speaker 1: Fleming at four. I think it's very smart what they're

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Speaker 1: doing with him, letting him mix in with the first

833
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Speaker 1: team and get reps at left tackle next to those guys.

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Speaker 1: Connor Williams at five super impressive so far through camp,

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Speaker 1: had some hiccups. Who doesn't Joe Thomas, Alan Hearns Antoine

836
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Speaker 1: Woods at eight coming at a note, coming off the

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838
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Speaker 1: notice defensive tackles, to be honest, like, let's be very

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Speaker 1: should tell you a lot more. Let's be very honest

840
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: for a second. How much would we be talking about

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00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods if not for the Travis Frederick for the incident.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he hasn't done anything else, but

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Speaker 1: that is, if it's a flash point of camp, it

844
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Speaker 1: makes him much more visible. He's had some good reps,

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00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: he's working with the first team. Not trying to take

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00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 1: anything away from him. It's a good point about the fight,

847
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: but also it was all what led to the fight

848
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: was the fact that he kind of drove him back,

849
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: and you know, he was beating these guys. It's the

850
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: same thing with Dorn's Armstrong. You know, he's beaten some

851
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: some um, he's beaten Lyelle out here. He's done a

852
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: good job. That's why I would rate him a little higher,

853
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: just because that is a position that you tend not

854
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: to look at that much. And the fact that he

855
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: has um emerged and his name has been put out

856
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: there and people are starting to get to know him.

857
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: As you send that, I'm sure it'll you'll have Antine

858
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: Woods higher on your I think, wow, I think I

859
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: haven't done mine either. But I will say this, Joe

860
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: Thomas is going to be number one for me. That's

861
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: totally fair because because of what's happened out here of

862
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: you know, he's starting, he's playing all you know, Sean

863
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: Lee really hasn't played, and he's stepped in, and I

864
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: think the defense has looked really good weaving without Sean Lee,

865
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: which is a big thing that did not happen last year.

866
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: It was, oh my god, the weak side linebackers out

867
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: and the whole thing goes to crape. And I think

868
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: I don't think that'll happen this year. And I think

869
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: that's a big you know, a lot of that is

870
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: on his shoulders. I'm gonna put him number one on

871
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: the list. I don't have a problem with that at all.

872
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: I skipped Michael Gallup. I had him at three for

873
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: whatever was with But to you to your point, and

874
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: maybe this isn't fair, but I've just been burned. I've

875
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: been burned by the camp d tackle Darling before and

876
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: where I mean Davon Coleman, Janelle Jenkins Lewis Neil Montavius Stanley.

877
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: I think that was before my time. I just like

878
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: seeing that name. I think he's a sixth round pick,

879
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: maybe out of Louisville way back in the day. Montavius Stanley.

880
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: I had Layton Vanderash bringing it up at number ten,

881
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: which you know he's he's had some moments. He looks

882
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: yeah he didn't make that. No, he looks ready to contribute.

883
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: But um, you know again growing pains. He hasn't Allen

884
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: and I was I think we had Alan wait, no, no, no, no,

885
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I had him. Um, I had him at seven.

886
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: I had Alan Herns at seven. Um. As far as

887
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: vander Esh goes, I was talking to Brian this and

888
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: just evaluating him where he's at right now. And one

889
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 1: of the things, I mean, Brian brought us the football analyst,

890
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: Brian brought us. What did I say? You said, Brian,

891
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: Let's make sure that we let's make sure that we

892
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, with everybody watching, we make sure that we

893
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: talk about you know, in case you don't know, as

894
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: Brian b ran, Thank you so right, vander Esh. The

895
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: problem with him is it just comes down to experience,

896
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: and he's a very athletic guy, and he has all

897
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: those things that you need for a linebacker. What he's

898
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: missing is that experience and maybe those instincts as far

899
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: as you know he it took a while for Jalen

900
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: to gain that and now we're starting to see it.

901
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: Shaun Lee, he's amazing. He can even close his eyes

902
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: and know where the player is going. I mean, eventually

903
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 1: Vendor will hopefully get there playing next to these guys

904
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: right here to that point, you know, I this is

905
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: an argument that goes all the way back to the draft,

906
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: and I know some people are still talking about it.

907
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: Is that, well, if Jalen's taking this step, for like

908
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: Layton Vanderesh was a redundant pick, that was a bad move.

909
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: I don't buy that at all because he hasn't lit

910
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: the world on fire out here. But he absolutely doesn't

911
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: look lost or like he doesn't belong, you know what

912
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: I mean. Like he has looked solid. He looks like

913
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: he's picking it up. He's a smart guy. He's been

914
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: attached to Sean at the hip number one. I like

915
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: with the way this team fell apart without Shawn Lee

916
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: last year, I don't think there's too much you can

917
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: do to ensure that position. And on top of that,

918
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: Shaun Lee's thirty two years old, and I don't know

919
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: if it's next year or two years however many years

920
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: from now. But like Jalen Smith and Layton vander Esh

921
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: look like the future of this linebacker car And you

922
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: don't draft first round picks or really first or second

923
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: round picks just for what they're going to be able

924
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: to do this year. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you expect

925
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 1: them to contribute, but you know they've done it before.

926
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: They're drafting guys knowing what's probably not going to be

927
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: on the team next year or the year after. So

928
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: would I be geeked beyond belief if Derwin James is

929
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: on this team. Yeah? But I don't think Laden Vanderman

930
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: bad parents. They wouldn't have even done it. That's the thing.

931
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: They loved Layden vander ash that much. So let's take

932
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 1: a call from Anthony in Miami. Hey, how y'all doing great?

933
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: How are you good? I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good. Um.

934
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: I know I called him hanging with the boys more

935
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: often sending them making them But and of course you

936
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: on that before, Nick, Um, I love your show A

937
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: listening all the time. Just don't get a chance to

938
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: call because of the hours. Doc God hard, I will.

939
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: I will stand up with this guy regardless and maybe

940
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: to a fault. What I see when I see that

941
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: I seem a leader to be that young. I see

942
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: a guy, especially with example things, that took that on

943
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: his shoulders and said that I'm gonna have my voice

944
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: and be a leader. He may have accuracy problems at times,

945
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: but you can't win twenty two out of third three games,

946
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 1: one being the playoff game and not be what people

947
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: are considering or trying to say that maybe this is

948
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: a make or break year this and that I don't

949
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: believe it at all. I believe we lose that Prescott.

950
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard to find a quarterback, and I

951
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: believe he's the right quarterback for this team. He's got

952
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: some outstanding stats. At the same time, he's got two

953
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: NFL records already. I know he has Zeke in the backfield.

954
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: But if we put a good defense with this guy,

955
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: just me saying that we put a good defense with

956
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 1: this guy. This guy's a natural warn leader. He's gonna

957
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: take us to a chap ship in about three years.

958
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: I guarantee it that's all safe, all right. I think

959
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: Dad has a great advantage plane behind that offensive line

960
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: that he allows him even in the future, let's say

961
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: the line you start getting some trouble there on the

962
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: old line, it allows him to gain old those games,

963
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: you know, an experience. I would say you have more

964
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: experience playing it more safely in a way. Although he

965
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: struggled last year because of what happened with Tyrant's injury,

966
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: but the fact that he's playing behind that old line

967
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: really really helps him in his growth as a quarterback.

968
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and I think I mean I

969
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: if I think you're what you're saying is is right

970
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: now he can lean on them as he's still maturing

971
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: as a quarterback, and when the time comes where they're

972
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: gonna have to lean on him, he was able to

973
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: do that in his early years. And that's been my

974
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: biggest beef. I don't disagree with that call. Really, that's

975
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: my biggest beef with this whole thing. Has always been

976
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: like he's nothing without his line and his running back. No, duh,

977
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: who cares he's twenty four years old. If if he

978
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: still needs that strong of a supporting cast when he's

979
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 1: thirty one and making one hundred and twenty million dollars,

980
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: then you have a problem. I expect a third year

981
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: quarterback drafted in the fourth round to need some help.

982
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that. The only issue I have

983
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: with that call is, if we're speaking strictly by definition,

984
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: I think it is a make or break year for

985
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: Dak because if he is bad, if he is just bad,

986
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: then that you're putting yourself. You got to have a

987
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: conversation about what the future is going forward, and maybe

988
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: you draft a quarterback, maybe you decide Dak as the

989
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: guy anyway, but those questions will be asked and they

990
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 1: will be fair. If he's not good this year, that

991
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: that's just true. Having said that, I'm not worried about

992
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: him at all. I think he's gonna be great. I really,

993
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to be an issue. Yeah,

994
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: And it'll be a tough evaluation if they do bad.

995
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: I mean, because now you're talking about coaching and you

996
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: know the player and what's the percentage there. That is

997
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: what we will talk about from January until May or April.

998
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: If this team falls short, specifically Dak, like, the debate

999
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: will be, you know, are you going forward with Dak,

1000
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: is he the right guy? Or are you looking at

1001
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: quarterback in the early going to this draft. And that's

1002
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: what we'll ask Jerry about at the combine. That's what

1003
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: you know when we go to the owners meetings, when

1004
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: we're having private conversations with people behind closed doors, that's

1005
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: what people will be trying to figure out that it's unavoidable.

1006
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's gonna happen because I think

1007
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: Dak's gonna play well. You know, to talk about him

1008
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: being a natural born leader, and you know, this is

1009
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: definitely his team, his offense. And we've said so many

1010
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 1: times about now that Dez isn't here, it will allow

1011
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: him to be more of a leader. Let's not forget

1012
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: that with Jason Witten not here, it'll allow him to

1013
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: be more of a leader too. You can't tell me

1014
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: that Dak Prescott and Jason Witten are you know, saw

1015
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: eye to eye every single time. They probably didn't. The

1016
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: way Witten leads is not the way Dak leads. And

1017
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: it is tough for Dak to try to do things.

1018
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: I mean, Jason Witten has penalties all the time. It's

1019
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: hard to jump on him as well. Now he does

1020
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: things the right way, but still not having Jason Witten

1021
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: here will open the door even more for Dak. I'm

1022
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: not saying it's a good thing. I'm just saying that

1023
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: players like that still affect the quarterback from the leader.

1024
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: Now there's no guarantee who the guy is. It's it's Dak.

1025
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: The lineman aren't going to be the leaders. It's Dak

1026
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: Prescott one thousand percent. And this will really get a

1027
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: chance to see this natural board leader. We'll get to

1028
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: see it, you know, to a t this year because

1029
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: he'll have the voice of everybody. Yep, yeah, okay here,

1030
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: he'll have the ears of everyone, might have the voice.

1031
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: He might have the voice too. I don't know everything

1032
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: he does. Some wicked impressions from what I hear. We

1033
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: have a question from Alex Macho through Twitter, and we

1034
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: talked about Jalen and Rico Gathers. So here's this question.

1035
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: Why would benefit the Cowboys the most for Week one?

1036
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith slashed Joe Thomas playing at a high level,

1037
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: or Rico Gathers putting it all together and being the

1038
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: team's go to tight end. I go to tight end.

1039
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to crap on Rico But like I

1040
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: said earlier in the show, I just I can't see

1041
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: that happening. I can see Joe Thomas and Jalen Smith

1042
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: playing at a high, high level that we saw it

1043
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: the other night. I can't that's a reality. But in

1044
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: a fantasy, in a fantasy world where Rico Gathers plays

1045
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: like Gronk, Hell yeah give me that. Yeah, give me

1046
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 1: that ten times out of ten, I just don't see

1047
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: it happening. You know, we never say this the other

1048
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: way because it's kind of insulting, but it's never stopped

1049
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: us before. What did I say about Ezekiel Elliott? What

1050
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: was my Jason Garrett line for him? He's just a

1051
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: really damn good football player. The thing about Rico Gathers

1052
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 1: is he's just not He's just not a football player

1053
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: right now. He's just a raw talent that's working into

1054
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: being a football player. So we say it about he's

1055
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: just this guy's just a good football player. He just

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00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 1: knows how to play the game. Well, Rico right now doesn't.

1057
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: He's just a really great athlete that's trying to learn

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00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: how to play football. It's really hard to think by

1059
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: Week one in Carolina that all of a sudden, he's

1060
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: just put it all in together and now he's Antonio Gates.

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00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: I mean, who, by the way, I did I don't

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00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: know why I even said that. Who, by the way

1063
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: was that basketball player? And oh well, and he seriously,

1064
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 1: but he played football in high school. He played football,

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00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,919
Speaker 1: I think in college. I don't know, I played basketball college.

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00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: But still, it's just hard to think it's all gonna

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00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: happen like that. And the Cowboys they're not going to

1068
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: allow him to be that guy. I don't know what

1069
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: the role is going to be, but he's not gonna

1070
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: be the starting tight end of this football team. If

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00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: you're a Rico fan, and I know there's a lot

1072
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: of you, yeah, I'm not trying to suggest that I'm not.

1073
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: But if you're a Rico fan and you won him

1074
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: on the team, the best bet is again for the

1075
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: coaching staff in the front office to decide that what

1076
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: he can do is valuable enough to keep him on

1077
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: the roster, find him a special team's role that justifies

1078
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: him getting a jersey, and then he's like a red

1079
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: zone goal line guy who can come in. He's like,

1080
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: for lack of a better comparison, he could be like

1081
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: you're Mike Vrabel, like when you're down, you're like, hey,

1082
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: we need we need a touchdown. Put this big six

1083
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 1: seven monster on the field, which I think that would

1084
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: be smart to three tight ends down there comes completely

1085
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: okay with him having a niche role on this team

1086
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: that involves catching balls in the red zone. You just

1087
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: gotta let me figure out the rest of it to

1088
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: make it make sense. Numbers one, let me ask both

1089
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: of all this question. Will Rico Gathers be on a

1090
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: fifty three man roster this year? Yes, he will. Yeah,

1091
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: he will be on a fifty three. So if he's

1092
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: not on this team, somebody, Yeah, the team was gonna

1093
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: come in, Oh, I can make this guy turn into

1094
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: this amazing tight end, and they're gonna take him and

1095
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: they probably won't use the voice. They'll probably be like,

1096
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: they'll probably you know, just do their own. Yeah. We

1097
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 1: have confidence in our staff and our coaching staff that

1098
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: we'll be able to develop him. And the Cowboys have

1099
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: done a pretty good job, but we think we can

1100
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: enhance that and he's gonna fit in right well, you know,

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00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: well on our football team. Got it. As we play

1102
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: the Cowboys this week, I'm I'm so torn on that

1103
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of sence that suggests that he's

1104
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,959
Speaker 1: not going to be on this roster. But there's just

1105
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: enough potential there and what you're talking about. Don't for

1106
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: a second think that they don't think about that when

1107
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: they want to. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know

1108
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: what to expect. I could see it going either way.

1109
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: That's the biggest fear that a lot of teams have,

1110
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: you know, when they've developed these guys and and all

1111
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: of a sudden that they're gonna have to let him

1112
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: go and spending three years teaching him how to play

1113
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: the position, and then he catches six touchdowns for the

1114
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: Jets or whoever, I'm teaching him how to beat you.

1115
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: Because then when you yeah, thank you your faith. Do

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00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: I hear the music? It's time to go. We are

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Speaker 1: done for today. Music plays for two Tomorrow Tomorrow the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys will have a day off, but we'll be back

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Speaker 1: on the show. So for David Hallman making in tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: we're not We're not have a show tomorrow. Off tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: It's a miracle. You're going to the beach. It's a

1122
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: miracle early Christmas present. We will be back tomorrow, but

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Speaker 1: we'll be back Wednesday. So for Nikkim and David Hellman,

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Speaker 1: I remember your c I see you guys Wednesday on

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Speaker 1: the break. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.