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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to our live ongoing coverage from the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Ota sessions here at the upmc rooney Sports Complex. I

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Speaker 2: am Dale Lolly here with the Matt Williamson and shirt

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Speaker 2: wearing Tom Offerman.

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Speaker 3: I didn't get a the in front of my name.

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Speaker 3: That's reserved for Matt.

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Speaker 2: That's reserved for Matt, right because there you know why, Tom,

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Speaker 2: there are a lot of Matt Williamson's out there. It's

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Speaker 2: a semi common name, no doubt, Dale Lolly, naughty, common name,

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Speaker 2: Tom Opferman, not necessarily.

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Speaker 3: A carry uncommon, especially Tommy radio shirtless Tom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but Matt Williamson. If you google Matt Williamson, now

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Speaker 2: he shows up because he's the Matt Williamson. I think

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Speaker 2: I'm number one. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He is

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Speaker 2: the number one Matt Williams right amongst.

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Speaker 4: Also as quality as the Ohio state. Far as the

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Speaker 4: product that he it's it's it's a yes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's a little overstated there.

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Speaker 2: It's a little guide anyway. Yeah, we're back at it.

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Speaker 2: We are back at here, the Steelers on the field

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Speaker 2: as we speak here outside in the rain. I guess

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Speaker 2: a little fool in the rain going on here.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure they'd be inside when we got word

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Speaker 5: from well here's the thing, secret source, they're gonna be

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Speaker 5: out here. I was shocked.

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Speaker 2: It's not supposed to I don't think ever, poor and

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Speaker 2: even if it does, as long as there's no lightning. Yeah, yeah, Mike,

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Speaker 2: Tom will always look at this. It's like, hey, look,

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Speaker 2: there are gonna be times when we have to play

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Speaker 2: in this kind of stuff, doubt right, And it's just

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Speaker 2: you know, this is the same as practicing in ninety

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Speaker 2: five degree weather. It's in a lot of different right,

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Speaker 2: It's something. It's a challenge.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's jilli just a we're not on

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Speaker 5: camera here, but it's a constant little rain, cold, little

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: I got a sweatshirt with a jacket on and a

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Speaker 5: little chili. I mean, I'm sure that there's element. There

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Speaker 5: are elements. It's not terrible, but I'm sure it'll be

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Speaker 5: like this for the next three hours, a couple of hours.

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Speaker 2: It's a new turfcause you have top up a turf

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Speaker 2: ras your focus a little bit more. You have to.

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Speaker 2: You have to you find out now who could stay

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Speaker 2: focused in adverse conditions and who cannot you know. So,

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Speaker 2: and and they're not going full speed anyways, no, no,

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Speaker 2: so you know it's and we talked about it yesterday too.

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Speaker 2: You get a lot more done out here. I mean

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Speaker 2: there's a lot more real estate. There's two fields that

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Speaker 2: they use, and they for people don't understand it, like

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Speaker 2: they break especially an individual period, trying to paint a

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Speaker 2: picture for everyone that they they'll they'll use different areas

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Speaker 2: of the field. The running backs are in this corner.

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Speaker 2: The tight ends are in this corner. When you're inside.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot of bodies on one field. Yeah, ninety

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Speaker 5: And that's less field. And I mean that's that's an

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Speaker 5: eighty yard field from what I remember, you know, so

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Speaker 5: that's just tight.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're playing in Pittsburgh in the AFC doors

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Speaker 4: right right right. It feels like early October out here

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Speaker 4: right now.

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Speaker 2: This should be nothing.

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Speaker 4: This is what you're going to run into seven, eight,

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Speaker 4: nine times on the schedule, even colder and more extreme

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Speaker 4: weather as well.

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Speaker 2: If this is late November. You're thrilled.

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Speaker 5: It just feel it feels like you have shorts and

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Speaker 3: You know, no pun intended. It's good to get your

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Speaker 4: When the weather allows you to get your feet wet

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Speaker 4: a little bit, it may catch.

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Speaker 2: A wet ball, throw a wet ball. Yeah, I'm just

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Speaker 2: looking there. Donald Parhum is a very tall young man.

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Speaker 2: He stands out, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what always is so shocking.

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Speaker 2: Area eighty nine. Who's eighty Oh that's parm Okay.

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Speaker 4: Every year I come down here for O tas with

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Speaker 4: you guys usually do once or twice a year. The

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Speaker 4: size of these massive people without well yeah, they're walking,

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Speaker 5: The pat who shook their hands on the way out

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Speaker 3: Bear claw that just grabbed me.

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Speaker 2: I always tell the story Tom, like when I was

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Speaker 2: I'm standing on the sideline out at Saint Fencent College

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Speaker 2: to the sideline and they ran a screenplay to Levy

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Speaker 2: it snuffed that they they read the screen and came

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Speaker 2: charging down to intercept chasing the ball, intersecting Levy on

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Speaker 2: Bell right right where I was standing at So I'm

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Speaker 2: ball carrier? The ground is shaking as they're as they're

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Speaker 2: both coming at me, and I just like I start backing.

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Speaker 2: I've learned over the years, like a lot of people

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Speaker 2: will be typing on their phone or whatever, taking No,

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Speaker 2: my eyes are watching the field because I'm not getting killed.

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Speaker 2: I have no desire never. But as I looked up

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Speaker 2: and saw those two guys coming at me and the

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Speaker 2: ground is shaking a little bit, a little bit of

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Speaker 2: peace snuck out.

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Speaker 3: Your life might have started flashing a little bit.

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Speaker 2: The ground is shaking. Thing is not a that's six

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty pounds a human being coming at you

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Speaker 2: at whole speed, and they're running the speed.

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Speaker 5: It feels like I hurd a buffalo Traassic Park, right,

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Speaker 5: It's like Jassic Park, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you realize, I know what the gazelle feels

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Speaker 2: like when it's being chased by.

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Speaker 5: The lion moving in that speed, and you realize you're

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Speaker 5: not the same species.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those two we're talking, we're talking ten years ago now.

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Speaker 2: So so Cam and to it were at the height

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Speaker 2: of their you know, they were young in their prime. Yees. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 2: Cam's always in his prime, you.

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Speaker 3: Know what I mean, maybe his athletic prime.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean band strength.

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Speaker 3: He just uses one arm to hold off right offensive line.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the two of the sides dangerous place.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you have to keep the eyes got to be up.

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Speaker 2: I can remember, you know, the first uh, basically the

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Speaker 2: and Cope had a little stool that he would use

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Speaker 2: like maybe even a one leg stool that he just carried. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so he could just kind of sit and his butt

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Speaker 2: wasn't very far from the ground to begin with, but

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Speaker 5: What do he weighed like one hundred and twenty pounds

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Speaker 5: depending on how many toddies he.

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Speaker 2: But he's sitting there in his little chair, taking copious

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Speaker 2: notes and he got run over head down, Yeah, because

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Speaker 2: he was sitting on his little stool. Wouldn't be sitting

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Speaker 2: going to tell Kobe he couldn't sit on his little stool.

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Speaker 2: But you sitting on a stool, you really don't have

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Speaker 2: any mobility. You know, he can feel like he was

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Speaker 2: going to jump up at that point and get out

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Speaker 5: So yeah, you do gain to your point, Tom, I mean,

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Speaker 5: certainly you really gain a perspective being this close to him,

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Speaker 5: even walking them, seeing him walk out on the on

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Speaker 5: the field, and the level athleticism, size, violence are capable

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Speaker 5: of to play this game at this level is remarkable,

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Speaker 5: it really is. And we're even when they're going half speed,

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Speaker 3: Fast than I've ever seen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I've told the story on the air a

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Speaker 5: couple of times. But one day when I was working

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Speaker 5: because well, first of first of all, we were arrible,

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Speaker 5: so we were looking for anybody we could get.

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Speaker 2: To break the pot room. It would have been better,

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Speaker 2: better than what happened.

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Speaker 5: But I'm in my button up and khakis, and they're

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Speaker 5: the dude that usually like work the guys out didn't

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Speaker 5: hold the pads for this offensive lineman. Who's who's trying

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Speaker 2: Just blowing me apart. I mean, just.

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Speaker 5: Blowing me apart. And then you were a lot lighter

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Speaker 2: I was a little lighter, but.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it would have much different.

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Speaker 5: My knees were a little better, and it wouldn't have

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Speaker 5: mattered one bit. I mean, I'm just trying to kind

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Speaker 5: he's just smashing into a pad and I'm flying all over.

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Speaker 5: The coaches are laughing at me, and eventually one of

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Speaker 5: the coaches just like, when he hits the pad, just

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Speaker 2: Because you're gonna you're gonna die.

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Speaker 5: You're gonna die, right, because he's not gonna be gentle

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Speaker 5: to he's trying to impress.

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Speaker 4: You cross the line for these coaches of where it's

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Speaker 4: really funny to watch our scout Matt Williams.

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Speaker 3: Again, this guy's gonna get seriously.

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Speaker 5: You're going to have he may not go home tonight, right,

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Speaker 5: but that's I mean, and him coming off the ball

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Speaker 2: Drive blocking and those things happened throughout the course of

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Speaker 2: the season. I think I think fans will be surprised

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Speaker 2: at how many guys do get tried out over the

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Speaker 2: course of the year. Early in the week, you bring

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Speaker 2: guy in Monday, Tuesday, there's always guys in and out

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Speaker 2: of the building. It doesn't even get rewarded, right, and

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Speaker 2: you know, you get guys Okay, this is a receiver.

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Speaker 2: That's it. And it depends you know, who got hurt

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Speaker 5: In our case, we were just so bad. We were

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Speaker 5: always just trying to grab anyone we knew. The bottom

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Speaker 5: the roster was terrible. And that was a big thing

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Speaker 5: I was involved with too. Was you know who the

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Speaker 5: scout teamers in your division? I was in charge of,

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Speaker 5: Are they better than the guys we got?

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Speaker 2: And like, yeah, probably a good chance. Good chance, magic

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Speaker 2: magic eight ball says yes, a good chance.

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Speaker 5: So you know, you start picking up guys off you know,

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Speaker 5: practice squads and things like that, just to maybe find somebody. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I got to think too real quick on that is

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Speaker 5: like we've often talked about the emergency list. You know,

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Speaker 5: you always have it and sometimes you may not look

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Speaker 5: to sign that position. But this guy's got a knee,

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Speaker 5: so you bring him in and yeah, make sure that

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Speaker 5: if you do have to call on the emergency, that

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Speaker 5: the doctors have already you know, said yes on it, right, right.

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Speaker 2: I was really impressed by the and I've always been

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Speaker 2: impressed by when he talks. He's a very thoughtful young man.

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Speaker 2: But the interview yesterday with Troy fi Otano, Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: was great. Just his demeanor and approach to this season.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and the way he handled being injured and where

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Speaker 4: Know, And I think rightfully so for Tomlin to be

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Speaker 4: putting an emphasis on that offensive line, this has been

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Speaker 4: Now you need to start seeing that offensive line blossom

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Speaker 3: No, that's a huge year for Troy Fatano.

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Speaker 4: I think because Roderick Jones you trade up for him,

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Speaker 4: Right right now, he's switching back to his left tackle

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Speaker 2: And you think about that group. Now, guys, you've got

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Speaker 5: That's planned, right, if you could have your dicastro pouncy

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Speaker 2: And I like that he brought that up yesterday. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: And when you say hit Dale, it's not like everyone's

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Speaker 2: If you think about that, that the pouncy dicastro line,

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Speaker 2: they don't all have to be stars on your offensive line.

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Speaker 5: It's a weakest link position a lot like the secondary.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, if you have two, it's really hard

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Speaker 5: to cover. If you have one, you can kind of

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Speaker 2: Is basically what Buffalo has had. Yeah, Buffalo doesn't have

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Speaker 2: They've had five good ones.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, and it's more than enough, especially in this

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Speaker 4: Always invested in Den Dawkins is good, good like Pro

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Speaker 3: I think he's made a Pro Bowl before I started.

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Speaker 3: With all pros.

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Speaker 4: That's all you need project to become or to become.

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Speaker 4: They don't have to be Sole or Lane Johnson. But

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Speaker 2: Be great, I think I think in Pittsburgh we get

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Speaker 2: I think it. Yeah, can they be better? Yes? Are

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Speaker 5: Right, And I'm just talking about who you had to

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Speaker 2: And I think, to me, guys, I think Pat Meyer

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Speaker 5: Yes, and I'm not trying to contradict what you said earlier,

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Speaker 3: Or dirt, but he's had that for this line.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and if you could have one more

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Speaker 2: I thought they were tying, you know. And I'm not

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes sense that fact he will be.

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Speaker 2: I think he will be. Fact he's going to be

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Speaker 3: They were going to start him.

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Speaker 2: Two games because he had been their best offensive lineman

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Speaker 4: He was out there, clearly, he picked up the playbook.

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Speaker 5: I think they're quietly.

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Speaker 4: And then you know what, you slide Roger back to

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Speaker 2: The other thing that happens here with Broderick Jones moving

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Speaker 5: That's what you save Troy as if he is everything

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Speaker 4: Lining up exactly and then you're running behind those.

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Speaker 5: Guys, you know, and you know and that that situation.

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Speaker 5: Two other things I wanted to bring up to is

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Speaker 5: this is very natural, but and I even think McCormick

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Speaker 5: and maybe Fraser recognized it late in the season that

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Speaker 5: there was a rookie wall situation here with this team,

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Speaker 5: with the older with the younger guys too. I mean

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Speaker 5: that that three games in eleven days that they had

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Speaker 5: never seen anything like.

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Speaker 3: You hit a rookie well with a normal schedule, right, yeah, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean.

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Speaker 2: The preseason they played extensively.

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Speaker 5: Then they played way more games than anyone any point,

453
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Speaker 5: and they got into the playoffs. I mean, I'm sure

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Speaker 5: they were pretty physically beat up. And the other thing

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Speaker 5: I wanted to bring about the old line, and they

456
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Speaker 5: all kind of mentioned it. Siamalu. Maybe he is a

457
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Speaker 5: declining player, he's aging, but his role is very obvious,

458
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Speaker 5: like when you're a training camp, especially last year, all

459
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Speaker 5: the dudes staying after or following him.

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Speaker 2: I mean, to have that veteran president, he's the mother duckling.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, he's kind of super smart, been around the block,

462
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Speaker 5: been part of that great Eagles line.

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Speaker 3: Professional.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think having that guy in the room,

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Speaker 5: you don't want everybody to be a first or second year.

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Speaker 2: Hey I learned it together, you know. Yeah, absolutely, Hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: we got to get to a break. He is Tom

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Speaker 2: Mofferman that is the Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lolly. You're

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Speaker 2: listening to our live coverage here from the Steelers Ota

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Speaker 2: Sessions here on Fox Sports Pittsburgh nine to seventy and

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Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with more here from

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Speaker 2: the upmc rooney Sports Complex right after this.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back. I am Dale LOLLI he is the

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Speaker 2: Mattiams And we're also joined here by Tom Opperman on

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Speaker 2: our live ongoing coverage here from the Steelers Ota Sessions

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Speaker 2: at the upmc rooney Sports Complex here on the South Side.

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Speaker 2: And I got a little little update there and some

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Speaker 2: number changes. Oh yeah, the new receiver that they signed

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Speaker 2: yesterday who was wearing number fourteen coming in. That was

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Speaker 2: Montana Lamonious Craig. Sounds like the key and peel.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy.

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Speaker 5: I got the oppression he signed like a minute before

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Speaker 5: practice because he was over here like I don't know

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Speaker 5: what to do.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they initially gave him number fourteen and then

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Speaker 2: Kenneth game will so wait a second, Fourteen's open, wasn't

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Speaker 2: when I signed, wasn't when I signed Here.

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Speaker 3: Do you think he put it together? He saw that

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Speaker 3: guy wandering around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was that second wearing number.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that person more important to this.

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Speaker 2: I am fourteen is my number. And so he took

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Speaker 2: the number fourteen. So Kenneth came Well, who wore fourteen

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Speaker 2: with the Eagles, is now fourteen for the Steelers. And uh,

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Speaker 2: the new guy believe he's wearing number twenty one, which

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Speaker 2: is what game was wearing. He's no, you're wearing He

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Speaker 2: went to, kid, you're taking this numb in his face?

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, you're taking this number.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 2: DK Metcalf who also wore fourteen with Seattle, with Seattle

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Speaker 2: and in college, and in college.

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Speaker 3: He lost out.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't here yesterday. Snooze you lose, man, snooze you lose.

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Speaker 5: And so he's still number four four. Okay, make him

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Speaker 5: look bigger and faster.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 4: I wonder if he's seeing those number four jerseys fly

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Speaker 4: off the shelves.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's there's that too. I mean there might be

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Speaker 2: some people, Yeah, yeah, there might. There's probably some people

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Speaker 2: that already bought.

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Speaker 4: Their number four, number four jersey, and then there's that

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Speaker 4: opportunity to double dip and go, you know what, get

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Speaker 4: the four end the four.

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Speaker 2: Here's the problem though, if they've already made a bunch

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Speaker 2: of dk Metcalf jerseys, I don't know if you know this.

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Speaker 2: This is crazy though. Yeah, he would then have to

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Speaker 2: buy them all back. If if he changes his number.

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Speaker 5: Everyone created he has I get that rule.

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Speaker 3: That guard's against exactly what.

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Speaker 2: You can't just change numbers willing to try to.

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Speaker 3: Just bang on getting your jerseys.

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Speaker 5: You would think that the four one goes up in

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Speaker 5: value because there's not many of them, you know, it's

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Speaker 5: they can they.

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Speaker 2: Could be air card or whatever.

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Speaker 4: You know, like when you go to when you're in college,

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Speaker 4: you go to a darty a day drinking. But that

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Speaker 4: he always wear those weird jerseys like the number four

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Speaker 4: dk Metcalf.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but that's not a steel rule. That's an

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Speaker 2: nfl R makes a ton of sense. Drink sells the

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Speaker 2: jerseys as well. So if they if they've already been

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Speaker 2: let's say twenty thousand DK Metcalf jerseys.

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Speaker 4: Made and there were prominent play, yeah, he would have

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Speaker 4: had to buy them all back.

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Speaker 5: That's so do they ship them to your house. You

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Speaker 5: get twenty twenty thousand jerseys.

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Speaker 2: Or you would think it would be easier that, like

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Speaker 2: it could just they send them to Ethiopic. I mean

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Speaker 2: the good ones are you know, they're not stenciled on

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Speaker 2: there or something. They're sewn on.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you could think they could take those off

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Speaker 2: pretty but it's still it might rip the jersey up

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Speaker 2: and you ruin the jersey.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I know, the equipment guys. You know, we'll

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Speaker 5: take names and numbers off and on stuff. They're not

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Speaker 5: gonna do it twenty thousand of them.

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Speaker 4: No, Kenneth Ganwell wasn't too worried about buying back too

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Speaker 4: many number twenty ones.

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Speaker 2: I probably hadn't, I guess not. Probably hadn't sold many

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Speaker 2: of those yet, many of them yet. But to your point,

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Speaker 2: Tom dk Met, you have a very prominent player. He's

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Speaker 2: got a ton out there, signed a four year deal

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Speaker 2: when he came here. Steeler fans know he's going to

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Speaker 2: be here for a while.

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Speaker 4: Next to what Hayward Minka, you know the defensive guys.

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Speaker 4: It's like the jersey to get right now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I would think it makes sense so little

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Speaker 5: little breaking news like that we're breaking news or shattering.

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Speaker 5: So they're just stretching now. Not a whole lot of

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Speaker 5: going on still, but not that I'm allowed to talk

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Speaker 5: about practice. But the beginning is kind of doing things

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Speaker 5: on your own. They do some things, some team stuff,

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Speaker 5: and then they stretch, and then they'll go into individual periods,

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Speaker 5: which are definitely useful. I mean that's try to again

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Speaker 5: paint the picture for people that aren't aware of how

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Speaker 5: Otia's work.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the.

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Speaker 5: Individual stuff is just you with your position coach doing

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Speaker 5: specific drills for your position, and those valuable no matter

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Speaker 5: what you know.

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Speaker 4: And there's definitely a level of uncomfortability out there because

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Speaker 4: I'm uncomfortable over here.

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Speaker 2: Sitting out of the audience.

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Speaker 4: You know that it's not, you know, smooth sailing for

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Speaker 4: these guys. It's it's a tough, tough sledding.

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Speaker 2: Madden doesn't take you outside just to pull back.

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Speaker 3: Like Tom, we don't get to do it.

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Speaker 2: Tom is a producer for the Madden Show. Uh so

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Speaker 2: you know he is in studio a lot. Sometimes you

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Speaker 2: go out on remote too.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes he does should take me out very often though.

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Speaker 2: He should buy take you up, buy your dinner every

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Speaker 2: once in a while.

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Speaker 4: It would be nice, right, yeah, the station get dinner.

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Speaker 2: It's very little bone, you know.

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Speaker 4: But Mark treats me very well. I'm not going to complain,

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Speaker 4: and by that he doesn't yell at me. And what

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Speaker 4: more can I ask for? If people knew what he

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Speaker 4: was like off the air as opposed to on the air, Oh,

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Speaker 4: they'd be shocked. They'd be shocked.

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Speaker 2: Anyways. Uh yeah, So the Steelers going through they're a

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Speaker 2: stretched portion. Now. They've already done a little bit of

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Speaker 2: the the team work kind of stuff, so that warm

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Speaker 2: up type stuff, right, yeah, team building exercises twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: They should get T shirts made again.

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Speaker 5: I know we're not allowed to comment a lot on practice,

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Speaker 5: but from where we're set up, I had to really

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Speaker 5: I forget the first time that watching defense is pretty

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Speaker 5: difficult because there is there are on the other sides away,

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Speaker 5: and there's a lot of huge human beings in between there.

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Speaker 5: So I didn't get a real good read of what

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Speaker 5: the defense was doing and how they looked.

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Speaker 2: But Matt, I want to ask you this, what do

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Speaker 2: you think of Jack Sawyer's body type?

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Speaker 5: As an interesting I actually did a different podcast some

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Speaker 5: initial impressions, and that was something that I made note

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Speaker 5: of is you could tell first of all that he's

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Speaker 5: a very serious football player, you know, like he was

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Speaker 5: one of the first ones out today by all accounts,

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Speaker 5: and I think you even mentioned It's not to put

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Speaker 5: words in your mouth, but he's very business like, you know,

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Speaker 5: in his approach and even just reading scouting reports and

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Speaker 5: the Beast and all his background. He's all about football

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Speaker 5: all the time and you can just see that on

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Speaker 5: his face. But his body type definitely is noteworthy because

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Speaker 5: flat out him and herbig don't look the same at all,

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Speaker 5: you know.

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Speaker 2: And honestly he doesn't, you know, if you look at him.

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Speaker 2: High Smith is thicker, yes, yes, but he doesn't have

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Speaker 2: the overall length that Sawyer has in terms of height

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Speaker 2: and right. Sawyer's a big end, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 5: I mean as an edge setter, especially for a three

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Speaker 5: four outside linebacker, which is I mean, they're not in

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Speaker 5: a three four ton. But he is a big raven killer.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I just keep thinking about the Ravens. His

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Speaker 5: body tape honestly reminds me a little bit.

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Speaker 2: And then this is going to be it's a little

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Speaker 2: Mike Rabel like I could see that I don't remember

635
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Speaker 2: Vrabel was six five and you know, right, but we've

636
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Speaker 2: talked about Rabel.

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Speaker 5: A lot with his stint here second round pick that

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Speaker 5: he kind of had a tough go of it from

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Speaker 5: what I recall, because are we going to trim you

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Speaker 5: down and be a three four outside linebacker or we're

641
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Speaker 5: gonna bulk you up and make you Aaron Smith. And

642
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Speaker 5: in the end he didn't really do either here and

643
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Speaker 5: kept having to change his body, and then he went

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Speaker 5: to New England and kind of found himself. And not

645
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Speaker 5: that he was a bad player here, but you could

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Speaker 5: see the same with Sawyer. I don't think they have

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Speaker 5: any intentions of making a three four n but he's

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Speaker 5: got bulk and thickness to him already that he could

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Speaker 5: hold up at the point with another five ten pounds

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Speaker 5: on the inside too.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of that, if I'm looking here at the Marvin

652
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Speaker 2: leel and it looks like he's put the weight back on.

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Speaker 5: I thought he looked heavier too, YEA, watching him walk on.

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Speaker 2: The field, I think this. You know, the drafting of

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Speaker 2: Jack Sawyer, they said, Okay, you're not gonna play outside linebacker,

656
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Speaker 2: which I think is for him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I like that quite a bit and alarm bells

658
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Speaker 5: went off for me when they draft or when they

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Speaker 5: traded for Preston Smith last year. You know, like he's

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Speaker 5: not really a three four edge either, you know, he's

661
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Speaker 5: he's probably even bigger than Sawyer.

662
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: He's longer than Sawyer. Yeah, but I think that was

663
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 2: that was the body type they wanted. That's what they

664
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: wanted from lel They wanted that jumbo guy.

665
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 3: But he never grew into that.

666
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: Well, but he got hurt last year. He was having

667
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: a good camp and just had that neck injury. But

668
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: I think they had a distinct role that they wanted

669
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: him to play, that Prushton Smith's role, and then they

670
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: didn't have like.

671
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 5: Him better on the inside. I do too, But I

672
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 5: do think that having that's kind of the rabel thing

673
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 5: for him, you know, just pick one. Yeah, I mean,

674
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 5: I think that'd be helpful to the player.

675
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 4: You said raven killer when you were talking about Sawyer

676
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 4: and his body type, And I want to go back

677
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 4: to that, Matt because as much as I love Nick

678
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 4: herbig and he has a ton of impact in the

679
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 4: short volume that he's on the field, it's kind of

680
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 4: like an NBA matchup, right, Like there's just some teams

681
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 4: where you might.

682
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: Just not be able to play him as much. And

683
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 3: the Ravens are the one that comes right to me.

684
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 4: Against Cincinnati, Yeah, Herbig's out there all day. He's Russian

685
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 4: Burrow like crazy. But Henry's running, you know, twenty twenty

686
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 4: five times a game. Oh that's of a Jack Sawyer

687
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 4: type card, multiple tight ends. If high Smith or a

688
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 4: lot need to blow, that's more Sawyer's territory.

689
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 5: So we've talked about this a lot, and I didn't

690
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 5: really I was wrong. I did not foresee Edge as

691
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 5: being a need on draft day. But after drafting Preston

692
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 5: Smith and then when they took Sawyer, the bells just.

693
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: Went off in my head.

694
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Speaker 5: Is if what or high Smith has to miss a game,

695
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 5: I can't trust her Big to be out there for

696
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 5: seventy stats. I mean, he's he's just not big enough.

697
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 5: He's not physical enough, you know, again, especially against the

698
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 5: Raven type team. So if you miss either one of

699
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 5: your stars Sawyer and her Big becomes that guy, right,

700
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 5: and then the other one's out.

701
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: There and they're not stupid.

702
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 4: They had injury problems with their top two players, high

703
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 4: Smith and wat over the past couple of years. They've

704
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 4: needed games where backups had to play starter roles. And

705
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 4: last year, I mean her Big had to step into

706
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 4: that role early in the season for high Smith and

707
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 4: he got hurt and then high Smith comes back, and

708
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 4: it's kind of like you're just shuffling one in and

709
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 4: out and the other one out.

710
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 5: And you also never want that position to become an

711
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 5: area you always want to be a huge strength. I mean,

712
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 5: going back to four order and Lloyd and Green, I mean,

713
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Speaker 5: they're never going to be bad there, you know, in

714
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 5: dal take an extra, you know, and always have a

715
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 5: surplus there.

716
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: When those guys end up, you know, you're back up

717
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: outside linebackers or backup linebackers in period end up being

718
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: four special teams players.

719
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the thing is, I don't know what Sawyer's

720
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 5: capable or what he will be like as a special team.

721
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: I think he'll be pretty good at it, I would imagine.

722
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 5: I don't think he did much of an Ohio State

723
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 5: probably like a five star recruit, played right away. He

724
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 5: was the leader of the defense type guys.

725
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: With that new kickoff rule being like an oversized stretch play,

726
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: his own stretch play. Okay, I want to I want

727
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: guys out there who've defended that in the past, who

728
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: knew how to go find the football.

729
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 5: You know, he's very serious about football and we'll do

730
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 5: everything capable of.

731
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: Special man has got some speed.

732
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 4: He took one to the house from ninety nine yards

733
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 4: in the damn Sugar Bowl last year to be Texas.

734
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 5: So Dale, I don't know if you noticed this, and

735
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 5: you know, maybe on a typical drive we'd have went

736
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 5: through it. But you know how it's lists season and

737
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 5: Pro Football Focus, who I like but is not gone

738
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 5: put out their top thirty two edge rushers two days

739
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 5: ago and TJ was three.

740
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: He was behind Parsons and Garrett.

741
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Speaker 5: You know, they nothing bad to say about him because

742
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 5: they said he was set records in their their PFF

743
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 5: run defense, and you know he's as good as ever. Basically,

744
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 5: high Smith was twelve, and I don't know that everyone

745
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 5: realizes just how good he is.

746
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: When people were talking about trading him last offseason because

747
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: he could just throw her brain. I'm like, he's one.

748
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: I think you understand how good this guy is.

749
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 5: He's one of the best players on this field right now.

750
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 5: He's one of the best players at his position in

751
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 5: the league's.

752
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: But it's really, really, if they would want to entertain

753
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: the idea of trading Alex high Smith, they would get

754
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: a very good draft pick. But you don't want to Again,

755
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they need to do that. You know

756
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: you would get it because of his age and everything

757
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: else involved. You would get a really good draft pick

758
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: for him.

759
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 3: You're getting a second round pick.

760
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: It's yeah, he is a very good football player. And

761
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: I think because of what what does it goes overlooked

762
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: a little bit, right.

763
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 4: I mean, you know what, this game always jumps out

764
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 4: to me when I'm thinking high Smith and talking high Smith.

765
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 4: Do you remember the Giants game last year on Monday

766
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 4: Night Football where Watt had a big impact. Yeah, but

767
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 4: it was really high Smith who was dominating that game.

768
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 4: I mean, he was just working his matchup and some

769
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 4: of the sacks that Watt had were plays that high

770
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 4: Smith ran Daniel Jones into him like high Smith had

771
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 4: moments last year, and that Giants game just jumps to

772
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 4: my mind more than any of them, where he was

773
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 4: the most dominant defensive player on the field for the Steelers.

774
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 5: But back to what we were talking about on that list,

775
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 5: and again, pro football focused is a gospel, but Wat

776
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 5: was three high. Smith was twelve, Herbig was thirty two.

777
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 5: I mean they had three guys on the top, the

778
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 5: top thirty two and they're right up on Herbig was

779
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 5: really good, you know. Basically his run defense grade for

780
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 5: them was well below par anylayer. But they said he

781
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 5: is the ultimate pass rush specialist because their pass rush

782
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 5: grade was as good as like Garretts or Watts. You know.

783
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 7: But you can't ask in order to get that out

784
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 7: of him. He can't be the first down right right.

785
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 7: Henry pound into him all the time. Jack Swayer, Yeah,

786
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 7: we were surprised, Matt.

787
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 4: I remember talking with They scratched Preston Smith for the

788
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 4: playoff game last year.

789
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: It just became a numbers issue and he's not going

790
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: to get help you on special teams.

791
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 4: And so and then you were weak and against Derek

792
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 4: Henry and look what happened. Now you don't have that problem, though,

793
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 4: because we're confident in Sawyer and what he can do

794
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 4: with special teams, so he can dress to be in

795
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 4: that role.

796
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: And I really think that's what it came down to

797
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,479
Speaker 2: with the decision on the Land and Roberts. I would

798
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: you love to have a landon Roberts the football player

799
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 2: to play fifteen snaps a game for you, absolutely, but

800
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: you need that player that back up inside linebacker to

801
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: be a guy who also gives you something on special

802
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: teams and especially in the mix. And yeah, Wilson's role

803
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: that's just not just not what a Landom Roberts is

804
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 2: going to give you at this point in his career.

805
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 5: And you've said it well when they signed him, I

806
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 5: mean Harrison kind of Maybe Harrison's not as good a

807
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 5: defensive player as Roberts, but he has he plays the

808
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 5: similar role, and he's the Matta Kaevich. He's excellent on

809
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 5: special teams. So you killed two birds with one step.

810
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: It also hurts the Ravens, you know. I think the Ravens,

811
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: in an ideal world would have brought him back because

812
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: when they made their other defensive switches last year, when

813
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 2: they finally kind of turned things around, it was because

814
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: Malie Harrison went into the starting lineup and Jerome Simpson

815
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: went to the bench. Now, ideally for them, they would

816
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: like Jerome Simpson to take that next step this year

817
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 2: in his third year guarantee, but there's no guarantee that happens.

818
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: They benched him last year couldn't trust him.

819
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 4: Steelers keep picking from that inside linebacker room for Baltimore.

820
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: Not a bad thing if you can, if you can

821
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: make your team better while hurting your one of your opponents. Guys,

822
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: I had somebody bring this up to me or I

823
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: was on our message board on YouTube on our last

824
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: show last week and we were talking about Steelers Ravens

825
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: and somebody saill, that's not that's not a rivalry anymore,

826
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: and like, really, I don't think Steelers Ravens is a rivalry.

827
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 2: And I think his point was because the Steelers lost

828
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: the last two games, Okay, what about the games before those?

829
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: That's what I said. I'm like one, I said, I

830
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: was kind of I mean, I got sarcastic with him

831
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 2: and said, yeah, you're right when it when one team

832
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: is won eight of the previous nine meetings, you're right,

833
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: it's not a rivalry, right.

834
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 4: If anything, the Ravens winning those two games made.

835
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 3: It more of a rivalry, right.

836
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: It brought the rivalry back a little bit, like, oh, hey,

837
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 2: we can still can beat the Steelers because they hadn't

838
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: in a very long time consistently. Now the 'ren's starting

839
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 2: to come down, how.

840
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 4: To say, by the Steelers gained the reputation not just

841
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 4: here but around the league is like the Lamar Busters.

842
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah right, the team that could stop everybody.

843
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, which is kind of you know, if we were

844
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 5: Baltimore right now, you're like, well, maybe we turned that corner,

845
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 5: you know maybe.

846
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 4: I think of the reason why they turned the corner

847
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 4: made it easier for him, no doubt.

848
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 2: No question.

849
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 5: But their quarterback in Balmarin's not too shait He's all right,

850
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 5: I guess real quick to back with what we're saying, though,

851
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 5: I do think one of the absolute strengths of this

852
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 5: team is I often don't call them outside linebackers, but

853
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 5: linebacker overall, those edge guys and the the off the

854
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 5: ball dudes, they have four.

855
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 2: You could make the it's certainly if you just look

856
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 2: at the linebacker group as a whole, top three in

857
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 2: the league.

858
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 5: If we're including the edge in the inside, yeah, yeah,

859
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 5: I think.

860
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 4: So Watt Heismiths, you could make the cases the best

861
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 4: tandem in the league.

862
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 3: So start there.

863
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 4: That's a good case for being top three in the league.

864
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 4: And I'm excited about Wilson.

865
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 2: I really think he's gonna think he's gonna be really

866
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 2: good this year.

867
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: Had great moments last year.

868
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's gonna have a better understanding thing.

869
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 5: He's gonna have one defined role defensive.

870
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 4: Player of the year in college his final year and

871
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 4: he's just had knee problems. Is the only reason why

872
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 4: Philly would have been a first round pick if he

873
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 4: was healthy and he flashed some of that and he

874
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 4: is healthy, if he didn't have.

875
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: A track record of injury.

876
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, absolutely, guys. Let's get to another break.

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878
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Speaker 2: Session number two, taking place tools two of six OTA sessions,

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00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: and then they'll also then have their three day mini

881
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: camp to finish off the off season program. They'll then

882
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: take a little bit of a break in between here

883
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: about a little bit over a month, and then it

884
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: will be on the training camp at Saint Vincent College

885
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: and full steam ahead. But we are going to take

886
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 2: a break now. He is Matt Williamson. That is Tom Opperman.

887
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to Fox Sports Pittsburgh

888
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 2: and Steelers Nation Radio. We will be back with more

889
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: right after this.

890
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

891
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black

892
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

893
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly here with

894
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: Tom Afferman and the Matt Williamson. We are live from

895
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: the Steelers Ota sessions here at the upmc rooney Sports Complex.

896
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 2: We will be bringing you the live coverage here every

897
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 2: day that the Steelers are on the field here at

898
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 2: the upmc rooney Sports Complex, and that will be every Tuesday,

899
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 2: Wednesday and Thursday for the next two weeks and then

900
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: Mini Camp. We will also be here for that the

901
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: following week again Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and three weeks in

902
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: a row Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Yes, okay, yeah, yeah, nine

903
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 2: sessions over all, nine sessions, and.

904
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 5: We won't do any more drives other than that for

905
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 5: those three weeks.

906
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 3: Correct, Okay, yeah, right right, that's like, thank god.

907
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: But then we'll go back to our regular drive schedule,

908
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: regular offseason drivet schedule of Monday Wednesday Friday. Yeah. After

909
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: that little swath, take us back to training camp, and

910
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 2: then once training camp kicks off, it is full steam

911
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: ahead for us. Every day they practice.

912
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 4: We were on yes, oh, it's marathon coverage. Baby Flabs

913
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 4: and I kick it off at like eight am and

914
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 4: we get to go to like nine pm.

915
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: Ye in our YouTube, stuff will come back then too. Yeah,

916
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: so exciting. Actually, I actually sat down, guys last night

917
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: and watched a little bit of the YouTube's show, just

918
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: to critique what it looked like and everything on my

919
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: TV because I know there are people who watch it. Yeah,

920
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: people who watch it on TV now not necessarily my

921
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: cup of tea. In terms of watching a radio show

922
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 2: on TV.

923
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 3: You don't like to do that.

924
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: I'm not going to rip anybody. If that's what you

925
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: want to do, that's great.

926
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: It's definitely an acquired taste.

927
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand, you know, watching two guys sit

928
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: and talk to each other to each other, Yeah, but

929
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: I understand you want to just hear what you know.

930
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: Maybe you just want to hear what maybe it's on

931
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: his background. Yeah, right, right, right, So it's all good.

932
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I enjoyed show. It was one

933
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 2: of our older shows. I just picked one out of randomly,

934
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 2: and uh, you look great. I look like.

935
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 6: You know me?

936
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 5: If I look great, that's not that's not a very

937
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 5: high bar. Tyler does a heck of a job making

938
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 5: us presentable, you know, with the lighting and all that makes.

939
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: Us look like he's very concerned about the lighting and

940
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 2: exactly what we wind up and the lights.

941
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, as you should. He is down to a

942
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 5: science now. But that's been good a lot. We've got

943
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 5: a lot of responses from the YouTube stuff. To be

944
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 5: back at you a couple months really than a couple.

945
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: Months, guys. The rain has now let up a little bit.

946
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: There was coming down pretty good there. Coffee, I like, man,

947
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 2: it's really nasty. Yeah, everybody kind of came over here

948
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: and congregated around the table here underneath the awning. But

949
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: it's chili though, chili. We stayed right. That's all I

950
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: care about. Yea, we're not getting wet. But the the

951
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: players again, this is like I was watching again, not

952
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: not giving anything away here, watching the quarterbacks go through

953
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 2: a little drill when they threw the ball and then

954
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: they roll out in the quarterback coach Tom Arth pitches

955
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: in the football and challenging that ring.

956
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, but oh yeah, it's not fun out there right now.

957
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 2: No, And that's I think that's one of the big

958
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 2: reasons why Mike Thomas said we're practiced out doors today

959
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 2: let's let's deal with these elements.

960
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 5: It's funny brought the quarterbacks. As I was walking in

961
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 5: to get coffee. I wanted to bring up one of them.

962
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 5: I mean, he's the least talked about signal caller that's

963
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 5: either a Steeler or maybe soon to be a Steeler.

964
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: But Skyler Thompson is a pretty good athlete. Yeah.

965
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's not a total throwaway. I know that he's

966
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 5: fourth and you want Howard to be the you know,

967
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 5: the next to take the third back up and all

968
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 5: that good stuff. And I'm not saying Skyler Thompson is

969
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 5: going to be the next Ben Roethlisberg or anything, but

970
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 5: he's been around the league. I liked him coming out

971
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 5: of school. He's a good athlete. Like he's going to

972
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 5: be on a roster somewhere this somewhere.

973
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I just don't think he gets ever mentioned.

974
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 4: He was Am I wrong about this? The guy who

975
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 4: started for the Dolphin against the Bills.

976
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: Yes, the Steelers have two quarterbacks on their roster who

977
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: have started playoff games.

978
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if I remember that game correctly, it was

979
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 4: not a blowout like Buffalo had expected it to be.

980
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 3: Like Miami kind of stuck around in that game for

981
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 3: a little bit.

982
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not terrible.

983
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 5: I mean, I think he needs to be recognized that

984
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 5: he's gonna make He's gonna stick in this league for

985
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 5: you know, five years or so.

986
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: But he interesting thing is make this roster right if

987
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 2: I wouldn't practice squad. He and Will Howard actually shared

988
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 2: playing time together at Kansas State. Oh that adds up. Okay, Yeah,

989
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: they were both there at the same time. And and uh,

990
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: I mean, so you had two NFL quarterbacks on the

991
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: roster and they.

992
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 3: Tompson kind of at the end of his call.

993
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: He was at the end of his career and Howard

994
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 2: was at the beginning. And they split some time early

995
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 2: in Howard's career.

996
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 5: So Howard probably succeeded him as a starter before transferring.

997
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: To Ohio State.

998
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, and that makes sense because he's college career Thompson.

999
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so they I mean, they both both guys

1000
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: uh a similar I think. I think how Thompson is

1001
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 2: a little bit better athlete.

1002
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's the most athletic quarterback here.

1003
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Howard has you know, a little bit more size.

1004
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, in his favor. Howard does, I think

1005
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 5: he's more of an anticipatory guy.

1006
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1007
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 5: I mean, we'll see him at the NFL level, but

1008
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 5: at least the prospect he you know, looks to be

1009
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 5: is reading things quick, get it out of your hands,

1010
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 5: really good for the neck up, you know. I think

1011
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 5: that's gonna be Howard's game.

1012
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 3: Howard just has that build of a quarterback.

1013
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: At the draft, it's like, you can't tell right now,

1014
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: but when we were out we were out here for

1015
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: rookie mini camp. He's got massive legs, Howard. Yeah, Yeah,

1016
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,479
Speaker 2: he's kind of got a square hockey film.

1017
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 4: He's perceptive with his athleticism.

1018
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: He's got a running back type, tight ends type legs.

1019
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 3: He's got like four to seventy plus runs in knowledge.

1020
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got kind of a square build, thick thighs

1021
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 5: and said, kind of like a hockey player.

1022
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a big, a big pocket style quarterback who's

1023
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 2: got some mobility. He does. He does absolutely, And you

1024
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 2: know what I like about him?

1025
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: And again I don't.

1026
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 4: I hate when people get too far in their fantasies

1027
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 4: when it comes to the sixth round Pickwill Howard right,

1028
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 4: and it's going a little nuts. Sometimes this offsets bit,

1029
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 4: but I love the fact that he was handed the

1030
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 4: keys to basically an NFL offense last year. And I

1031
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 4: think one of the biggest problems quarterbacks can have with

1032
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 4: NFL offenses that are so skilled as feeding all the mouths.

1033
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 4: And he spread the ball around beautifully for Ohio State.

1034
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 4: Everybody was involved in the offense. He executed it perfectly.

1035
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 4: If you're coming from college to the NFL, yeah, and

1036
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 4: if you're coming from college to the NFL, there's always

1037
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 4: going to be a jump.

1038
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 3: But that offense he was playing, it was basically an

1039
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 3: NFL offense.

1040
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1041
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 5: I mean people might not know. I mean everyone knows

1042
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 5: that Ohio State's loaded and they pump.

1043
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: Out receivers are the best, ridiculous.

1044
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 5: Number but there it sounds like they're going to have

1045
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 5: another first rounder next year. And oh, by the way,

1046
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 5: they have the best receiver in the country who is

1047
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 5: eighteen Smith. Smith isn't even eligible for next year and

1048
00:45:59,560 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 5: is going to.

1049
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 4: TechEd and they have running backs running backs.

1050
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 5: Like it's a loaded NFL type offense, right, and he handled.

1051
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: It very well, Matt. The punters are the on the

1052
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: other field, they're kicking. It's another area of strength of

1053
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: this yeah, which Cameron Johnston's about ready to unleash one here,

1054
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: and it's very good to see him back on the

1055
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 2: football field.

1056
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 5: I think it was rob that we were sitting with

1057
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 5: here you Go yesterday and Johnston just boomed one from

1058
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 5: the deep down there.

1059
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: He's like, whoa, what was that? Here goes that?

1060
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 4: Right, that's insane.

1061
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: He kicked out on about sixty five yards.

1062
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 3: First last year.

1063
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: It wasn't his first one, but it was maybe his

1064
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:44,959
Speaker 2: second or third.

1065
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 3: The first couple were monsters.

1066
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, it was just unfortunate that they

1067
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: lost that weapon.

1068
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 5: So we watched like every one of his punts in camp,

1069
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 5: and it was like a spectacle. Right, it's a spectacle

1070
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 5: like that one, Right, there was a spectacle. Harvid was

1071
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 5: really good in camp too, because frankly, there was no pressure.

1072
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 2: There was no elas camp. He was eighty five degrees and.

1073
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 5: He's just getting out the driver and killing it. Yeah,

1074
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 5: the Harvins like boom boom. But this guy, he's got

1075
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 5: the driver, he's got every club in the bag. He's

1076
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 5: got these different kicks where it's end over end, or

1077
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 5: he knuckles it or he puts it in the corner

1078
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 5: like he's kind of a craftsman and he's got the power.

1079
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 5: So I thought, you know, Corliss weightman did it an exceptional.

1080
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: It was really good last year.

1081
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, they definitely have two of the top thirty two.

1082
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 5: But the guy that they're paying the money and is

1083
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 5: the number one is going to be one of the

1084
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 5: best punters, and this is.

1085
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 3: A great way to keep him around.

1086
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: This is a great day to test those guys out.

1087
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: Sure Element day, Element day for the kickers in the

1088
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: in the punters and the holders and the holders as welders.

1089
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: That's that's another reason to come out here and practice

1090
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: in the elements and make sure those guys they're going

1091
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 2: to play in games like this, there's no doubt about

1092
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: it all.

1093
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 4: But yeah, Matt, to your point, there is a team

1094
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 4: that is going to go through training camp in preseason

1095
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 4: have punting problems, and they're going to wait for that news.

1096
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Speaker 2: To move past them. You might even be able to

1097
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:08,479
Speaker 2: get a seventh round pick.

1098
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 3: For yeah, right, why they still keep him around?

1099
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 2: Right, We're getting get a six and get rid of

1100
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: your you know one of your say, you might be

1101
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: able to get another six out of it if you

1102
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 2: swap a seven with them, that's better than me.

1103
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 5: But I think as a rule of thumb, they bring

1104
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 5: in two kickers and one punter to training camp.

1105
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's because you've got ninety guys. Now you

1106
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: don't want you don't want Cameron Johnston doing all the kicking.

1107
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 4: And with what d just said there, it's it's probably

1108
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 4: a good strategy.

1109
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 2: I would hold on the weight but until the last

1110
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: That's where I'm going with it.

1111
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 5: Was I thought they usually brought in one, but I

1112
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 5: would bring in two, just because he's too valuable just

1113
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 5: to let go of this time of year.

1114
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the post you might be able to

1115
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: get something.

1116
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 3: Give him that third preseasons.

1117
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 5: To keeping a seventh safety at camp or whatever.

1118
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 2: You right, absolutely, guys, let's get through another break. That's

1119
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: going to do it. For our number one of our

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Speaker 2: live ongoing coverage here from the Steeler O t A

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00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 2: sessions at the U p M. C Rooney Sports Complex,

1122
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lolly here with Tom Opferman and Matt Williamson.

1123
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: Will be back with more here on Fox Sports Pittsburgh

1124
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 2: and Steelers Nation Radio right after this.

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Speaker 1: This is The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

1126
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black

1127
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: and gold Steelers Nation.

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Speaker 2: Radio, and we are back. I am Dale Lolly here

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00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: with Tom Opferman and the Matt Williamson. We're joined now

1130
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 2: by the voice of the Pittsburgh Steelers, Rob King, sitting

1131
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: down with us here a little a little. I think

1132
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: he just wants to get out of the rain. Which

1133
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 2: from there for a minute there the wind changed directions

1134
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 2: on us and was blowing onto our table. I did

1135
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: not much care for that. No, I don't think I've

1136
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 2: been very dry throughout this whole process. And and uh,

1137
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: you know, just to pull back. We got a bunch

1138
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: of electronics here that were sitting next to that.

1139
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 4: Cardinal rule is to keep the equipment. So I was

1140
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 4: getting a little nervous as well, A little.

1141
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: Nervous so you don't like to see that. I can

1142
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: remember being in the press box in uh we were

1143
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 2: out in San Francisco one year, out of the old

1144
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 2: Candlestick Park, and there they had the press box actually

1145
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 2: had was glass and closed over top too. It was

1146
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 2: like being in like a little gerrarium or terrarium or something.

1147
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 2: And it's really started raining hard, and I'm like, well,

1148
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: it's raining hard. And at one point I look down

1149
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 2: on the floor in all of our equipment, all of

1150
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: everybody has their power cords going to their laptops, and

1151
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: there was water coming into the and I'm like everything.

1152
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, guys, we might want to pick our stuff

1153
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 2: up all that it's all sitting in water right now? Yeah,

1154
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: like this was not good. It may have been. I

1155
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: can't they all run together at this point, right.

1156
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 6: I was out there for that Monday night or I

1157
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 6: remember that. That was back in the early two thousands.

1158
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 2: I figured it out last year. We were in a

1159
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 2: press box in somewhere last year, I can't remember, awhare

1160
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: and they made an announcement to somebody had just covered

1161
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: his five hundredth game for the for the covered that

1162
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 2: team for his five hundredth game, and I'm like, I

1163
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: wonder how many games I've done. So I sat down

1164
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: for it was over seven hundred. You've done games that

1165
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: I've covered. I've physically been in the building.

1166
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 6: I'm like, that's NFL get Steelers games, Steeler games. Yeah,

1167
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 6: so that's well over thirty years. Right, Well you got

1168
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 6: you you have playoff pre covered, right, that's right.

1169
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 2: I've covered like two seasons worth of playoff. I guarantee

1170
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 2: you I've covered more playoff games than the entire Cleveland

1171
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: media combined.

1172
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 3: So you have your number around seven hundred right.

1173
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: Now, it's well over seven hundred.

1174
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 4: Keep tracks so when you get to a thousand, we

1175
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 4: can get you like a cake.

1176
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 2: Or you know, our our friend here, Bomar Shati, I

1177
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 2: just got his ten thousandth consecutive day of running at

1178
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 2: least three miles, ten thousand days in a row, isn't it? What? Bo,

1179
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 2: where's your streak stand at in terms of linked in

1180
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 2: terms of where are you at? Number five? Number ten?

1181
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: Where are you at seventy five? Seventy five people have

1182
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 2: a streak longer than ten thousand, and that's three miles

1183
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: or more?

1184
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 5: Right?

1185
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I.

1186
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 3: Don't think I've run ten thousand days.

1187
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 5: Damn press, COVID bad as you know, funeral right right right,

1188
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 5: So feel like it'll over right right.

1189
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 2: Ten thousand graduation. He just did that last week. He

1190
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 2: just achieved that crazy last week. He's now ten thousand

1191
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 2: and counting. He didn't stop at ten thousand. This wasn't

1192
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 2: Forrest Gump like where you stop running one day. He

1193
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: does have the beard going though, it's no he has

1194
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 2: trimmed out.

1195
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 3: A little bit.

1196
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 2: Uh, ten thousand days of running. So a couple observations.

1197
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 5: I know we're not like talked truly about practice, but

1198
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 5: remend Wilson could scoot.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Like here's a four to three nine

1200
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 2: guy coming out. Yeah.

1201
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Speaker 5: I mean just watching him these two days. His quick

1202
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 5: this his low center of gravity, his pure acceleration, his

1203
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 5: you know, his top end speed all really good.

1204
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 2: I mean that's I can't remember exactly what Calvin Austin ran.

1205
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 2: Yeah he had, he had a great low four threes. Yeah,

1206
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 2: but you're adding another guy who has that four to

1207
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: three speed to your offense. And I don't care if

1208
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 2: it's four three nine or it's four three two, right, right,

1209
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 2: you're in a four threes. You're damn fast. You're adding

1210
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 2: another guy that can can do that to your offense.

1211
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 2: You're gonna be a lot faster. Yeah, he can really

1212
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 2: scoot though.

1213
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 4: And like we were talking about with Fatanu in the

1214
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 4: first hour, so much to prove for Roman Wilson rookie season.

1215
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 2: Austin was four three to two four three two, I knew.

1216
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 2: So you've got two guys there that and oh, by

1217
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,439
Speaker 2: the way, DK metcalf Ran in the four threes. Oh yeah,

1218
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: some speed in the receiving room.

1219
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that was one of you know, going into

1220
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 6: the offseason, that was one of the things that they

1221
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 6: were talking about, right, getting more explosives on offense, getting

1222
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 6: bigger plays, Metcalf, hopefully Roland Wilson back in the mix.

1223
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: It was interesting.

1224
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 6: I'll just be on go balls, you know, right, Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely.

1225
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, you need you need players that

1226
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 6: have the capability to take a crossing pattern and just.

1227
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 2: Go the distance with him, make a guy miss and boom.

1228
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 6: We saw Pickings do that first first row that Mason

1229
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 6: woodoff throw him right a couple of years ago. Yeah,

1230
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 6: he took it.

1231
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 5: Pickings after the catch. Stuff got dramatically better last year.

1232
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 5: I mean it was very helpful. But they need that

1233
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 5: for sure.

1234
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 6: You know, with that in mind when they were going

1235
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 6: to draft a running back, was it any surprise too

1236
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 6: that they took somebody in Caleb Johnson, not that he

1237
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 6: can't make big plays, but doesn't have that big top

1238
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 6: end speed.

1239
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about Caleb Johnson is that the forty

1240
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 2: time is not all that impressive. Four or five to

1241
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 2: seven a is faster than what Nausee Harris was Nausey

1242
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 2: was probably in the four to sixes somewhere. He didn't

1243
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: run on he didn't run on purpose yeat. Typically when

1244
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: that happens, a guy knows he's not a blazer. Secondly,

1245
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 2: if you look at some of the GPS numbers on

1246
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: Caleb Johnson, there were several times over the course of

1247
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 2: his career that he broke twenty one miles per hour

1248
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 2: and some the other times where he hit as fast

1249
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 2: as twenty two miles per hour. On the football field.

1250
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 2: The play that DK metcalf had where he ran down

1251
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: Buddha Baker, Yeah, that everybody talks about. He was going

1252
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 2: twenty two miles an hour. Caleb Johnson has hit that

1253
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 2: speed right when he's opened things up, so he plays

1254
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: faster than he tests. I talked to his high school coach.

1255
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 2: I wrote a story on Caleb last week for Steeler

1256
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 2: two weeks ago now for Steelers dot Com, and he

1257
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: talked about He talked about Caleb speedy City. He always

1258
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 2: looks like he's running at about ninety percent speed. He's

1259
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:42,760
Speaker 2: one of those guys and then all of a sudden,

1260
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: it just he has that extra gear.

1261
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1262
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 6: Right, Nobody ever caught Jerry right, Yeah, it's exactly right. Yeah,

1263
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 6: Jerry Rice is a really good one. Not did we

1264
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 6: want to compare anybody quite did Jerry Rice? You're right?

1265
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 6: You can see people hauling Jerry Rice down from behind

1266
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 6: now right and with Pat and the video with Caleb

1267
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 6: john And showed him. Yeah, I didn't see many guys tracking.

1268
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 2: That's the other thing he said. He is a Look

1269
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 2: he did that. He broke a lot of long runs

1270
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 2: in the Big ten, which has put a lot of

1271
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 2: guys in the NFL. Those defensive backs weren't running him

1272
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 2: down from behind. And you know, Matt and I talked

1273
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,479
Speaker 2: about it a couple of weeks ago. You know, Derrick

1274
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,919
Speaker 2: Henry is considered a fast running back, right, oh yeah,

1275
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 2: four or five two.

1276
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 6: That's interesting because you never see him caught either.

1277
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 2: No, because I think a lot of times guys don't

1278
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 2: want to catch him.

1279
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 6: But you know what, I think a lot of guys

1280
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 6: rather catch him from behind than hit him from the front.

1281
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 6: Though it's a it's a large human being, you know.

1282
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 4: Uh.

1283
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 6: To me, Johnson's he's a he's a fascinating guy to

1284
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 6: add to this mix at the running back because he

1285
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 6: does have that sort of you know, workhorse type of size. Yeah,

1286
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 6: but you know, the the ability to to run away

1287
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 6: from guys. And we saw last year, you know in camp,

1288
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 6: the last couple of years, Naji constantly working on that

1289
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 6: sprint machine, right, you.

1290
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 2: Know, working his way back, trying to get more explosive.

1291
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 6: Right, trying to get more explosive. The team would be out,

1292
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 6: there would be you know, during the end of practice

1293
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 6: and frequently after practice, Nagi tirelessly working on that speed.

1294
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 6: But you know, in his time with the Steelers, he

1295
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 6: never had a carry of over forty yards. Thirty nine

1296
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 6: was his long Yeah, and so you know he kept

1297
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 6: on working on the speed, working on the speed, working

1298
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 6: on the speed. But it did feel like there was

1299
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 6: a point in his runs in which sort of that

1300
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 6: was it, right, Like there there wasn't going to be

1301
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 6: that pull away.

1302
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 2: I think a lot of times too, is he went

1303
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 2: looking for contact in the secondary. Yeah, where I want

1304
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: to I want to punish somebody at the end of

1305
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: this run, as opposed to trying to make somebody miss

1306
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: and get another five yards. I'm going to punish this

1307
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 2: defensive back and throw him to the ground and maybe

1308
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 2: he hauls me down, but he's going to feel that

1309
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 2: one in the fourth quarter.

1310
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 5: He's never going to be a long speed guy right in,

1311
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 5: but he did, and they created quite a few compared

1312
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 5: to the rest of the league ten to twenty yard

1313
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 5: games runs on the ground. Now, if they could turn

1314
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 5: into sixties and seventies once in a while, it would

1315
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 5: be huge, I mean, and that's never going to be

1316
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 5: Nausey's game. But back to Johnson. People might not know

1317
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 5: this because they don't promote it when you watch the combine,

1318
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 5: but they do do a miles per hour when you

1319
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 5: run your forty in Indy, and his, especially if you

1320
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 5: factor in wait, his miles per hour reached when he

1321
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 5: ran that forty, which wasn't a great time, was one

1322
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 5: of the better running back scores, especially for a bigger back.

1323
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: In a group of running backs. That was the fastest

1324
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 2: that combine history.

1325
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 5: Where what killed him is forty is his ten yard

1326
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 5: split was poor, which shocked me because he ran track

1327
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 5: in high school. But I wonder has he worked on

1328
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 5: his starts at all the last five years or even

1329
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 5: care to, because he both busted a lot of long

1330
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 5: runs at Iowa, and once he got out of that

1331
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 5: first ten yards, he was really moving.

1332
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 2: You know.

1333
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 6: I think one of the things that I found years

1334
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 6: and years ago when I was working in Upstate New York.

1335
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 6: I covered a guy named Donald Foyle. So, Donald Foyle

1336
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 6: was a guy who came to the United States. He

1337
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 6: was from the Caribbean. He lived with a with a family,

1338
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 6: very very bright guy, lived with a family in Hamilton, Hamilton,

1339
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 6: New York. He played at Colgate University. He had offers

1340
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 6: to play everywhere basketball player right six nine he played.

1341
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 6: I think he's gonna I think he played six or

1342
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 6: seven years in the NBA, something along those lines. But

1343
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 6: I I did a story on him when he was

1344
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 6: preparing for the draft and what he was preparing for.

1345
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 6: And he had deficiencies in his game because he didn't

1346
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 6: grow up playing basketball. He needed to be, for example,

1347
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 6: a better free throw shooter. He needed to be a

1348
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 6: better shooter. But what he spent his time working on

1349
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 6: was testing. So how would he tested the combine? Not

1350
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 6: how can you become a better player?

1351
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 2: You know?

1352
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 4: So?

1353
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 6: Although I know, right, so, if you're testing for the combine,

1354
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 6: and if calib Johnson is not testing for the combine,

1355
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 6: if his tape tells you what you need to know

1356
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 6: about him, to your point about working on that ten

1357
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 6: yard start on this line. Yeah, if he didn't do that,

1358
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 6: then you know that may have cost him, you know,

1359
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 6: a few ticks off that that forty time that maybe

1360
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 6: gets him even drafted higher.

1361
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 5: Who knows, absolutely well, I'll never forget it. Like the

1362
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 5: day after they drafted Deontay Johnson, they flew him in

1363
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 5: and he sat down with us upstairs. We were doing

1364
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 5: the draft and his forty time wasn't great. But I'm like,

1365
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 5: I remember asking him, like, you play a lot faster

1366
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 5: than your forty and he's like, that didn't practice forty

1367
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 5: at all, doesn't make me a better player, right, he

1368
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 5: definitely would have got drafted higher.

1369
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, if he could have shaved half a second.

1370
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 5: Off his forty. He's like, I'm not to waste of

1371
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 5: time with that. I was like, wow, that's pretty impressive.

1372
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 2: So is Jalen Warren considered a fast running back?

1373
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 3: I wouldn't consider him fast.

1374
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 2: He's four or five to five game well. Considered a

1375
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 2: fast running back.

1376
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 3: You wouldn't think of him as a burner.

1377
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 2: No, four, four to seven. I said, he's probably the

1378
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 2: fast just one here. Yeah, you know, I don't care

1379
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: necessarily about straight line speed. At his pro day game

1380
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 2: when we're in a four to four two.

1381
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 5: Doesn't surprise me. Yeah, and he's won ninety ish though too. Yeah,

1382
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 5: you know, right, well, I think he like two of

1383
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 5: five somewhere in that ring. Okay, But you know, straight

1384
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 5: line speed for running backs isn't the end all be all?

1385
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 6: No no no.

1386
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 2: If it was, Dree Archer would have been fantastic, right.

1387
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 5: But Rod, back to your point too, Like, of all

1388
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 5: the running backs in this draft that they brought in

1389
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 5: for visits, the majority of them were low four fours,

1390
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 5: high four threes, two hundred and two hundred and ten pounds,

1391
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 5: not the rec replacements for nausea, and boy, I was like,

1392
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 5: I wonder, are they just go Are they really searching

1393
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 5: for explosives that much that they might get away from

1394
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,919
Speaker 5: the big bruising Steeler Jerome you know, Bam Morris back.

1395
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 2: It may have just been a situation that that was

1396
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 2: what was largely available in this draft as well outside

1397
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 2: zone because most of the guys in this draft were

1398
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 2: those you know, two hundred and ten pound running backs.

1399
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 2: That's what was available outside of the Johnson's and the

1400
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 2: Quinshawn Judkins and guys like that.

1401
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 5: Right, So I'm hoping and I think we have an

1402
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 5: inclination that they kind of got the best of both worlds, right,

1403
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 5: you know, where it's the guy that can hit the

1404
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 5: home run. Maybe he doesn't win a race against Brayshawn

1405
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 5: Tuten or you know who, having the fastest guys out there,

1406
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 5: but plays fast, but he also but he's also not

1407
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 5: just a little guy that he can do a lot

1408
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 5: of the nausey stuff too, hopefully. I mean, I think

1409
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 5: that's what they hope they got. And they ran to

1410
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 5: the podium and he was there.

1411
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 4: Well, you mentioned the outside zone stuff too, and I

1412
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 4: mean it's clear that Arthur Smith wants to do that

1413
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 4: because he kept doing it even though it was becoming

1414
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 4: clear and clear that Naji Harris was just not capable

1415
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 4: of executing.

1416
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 2: But they were done a lot more if it was

1417
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: if it.

1418
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 4: Was possible, right, right, And I think that that's something

1419
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 4: that they look at this guy and say.

1420
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 3: He can do this.

1421
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 2: That's what they r that's what he does heavily. Right.

1422
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 6: I think the uh, the Ohio State thing, it is

1423
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 6: fascinating those two running backs. I'm really really eager to

1424
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 6: see how those guys fare in the NFL, because you

1425
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 6: have two guys now again, uh, this is one of

1426
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 6: the beauties about football. We talk about this all the time, right,

1427
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 6: So what is the situation when is a guy in

1428
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 6: a game? You know, the difference is between the college

1429
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 6: game and the pro game. But Traveon Henderson was what

1430
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 6: two yards to carry more than than than Judkins in

1431
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 6: the same system, right, two running backs, and Judkins I

1432
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 6: believe went before him in the draft. I think he

1433
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 6: went right.

1434
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 2: So they were both early second rounders, right that.

1435
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 6: I think that's But again, now, now who are you

1436
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 6: who you're playing for in the pros is going to

1437
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 6: have an impact as well? But you know, I I

1438
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 6: I do wonder if you know, Jalen Warren's got you know,

1439
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 6: he's signed for what just this one year?

1440
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 2: Right?

1441
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 6: One four year? You know, I think that the thing

1442
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 6: you're looking for is the guy that you're going to

1443
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 6: put the ball on his belly twenty to twenty two

1444
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,439
Speaker 6: times a game. That's the number one thing you're looking

1445
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 6: for as opposed to, you know, even if your desires

1446
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 6: to have a home run hitter, and he's sort of

1447
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 6: a maybe you know, not quicker than what you had,

1448
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 6: not necessarily the home run hitter, but the guy who's

1449
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 6: going to get the ball twenty two times versus the

1450
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 6: guy's going to get the ball eight times in a game.

1451
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 5: I absolutely love Warren, and I even think some of

1452
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 5: the people listening don't understand how good a football player

1453
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 5: he is. Passing game protection, all the little things change

1454
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 5: a direction. I mean, some of his receiving numbers are

1455
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 5: frankly right there with like McCaffrey. I mean, they're elite

1456
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 5: in terms of yards after cats. I mean all kinds

1457
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 5: of really nerdy stats. But one thing about him, and

1458
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 5: I'm not saying he can't do it, but he's never

1459
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 5: played in an NFL game where he has received more

1460
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 5: than fifty percent of the carries for his respective team.

1461
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 2: You know, now, could he do it for two games? Probably? Right,

1462
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's you don't know it well.

1463
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 6: A lot of us to see that happen, right, So

1464
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 6: there were times, you know, maybe a couple of years ago,

1465
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 6: you know, before Arthur Smith came here, because this last

1466
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 6: year he was hurt and he never really got on track.

1467
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 6: But a couple of years ago, a lot of people saying, well,

1468
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 6: maybe they should flip those guys, right, maybe Jalen Warren

1469
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 6: should be the guy getting all the carries, and Nagy

1470
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 6: should be the one spelling him because much like.

1471
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 5: I think Warren is the better football player the two,

1472
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 5: but that doesn't mean he can do what Nausey can.

1473
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 6: Do, right, And much much like Henderson and Judkins, although

1474
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 6: you know obviously different types of players, you know, you

1475
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,439
Speaker 6: went with the bigger, stronger guy. I wonderful House State

1476
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 6: fans are saying, how come we're not giving the ball

1477
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 6: more to Henderson?

1478
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 2: Right?

1479
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 6: You know, one guy's maybe you could argue softening up

1480
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 6: the defense or or running into more heavy boxes because

1481
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 6: of how he's being utilized. Warren because of the pass

1482
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 6: blocking ability, maybe in there more on third down, more

1483
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 6: running room playing against nickel and dime packages. So yeah,

1484
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 6: but but we never did get a chance to see

1485
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 6: that to your point.

1486
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 2: Right, right, And I don't think they want to test that, right.

1487
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 3: That's why they drafted Johnson, right.

1488
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think he was They want him

1489
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 5: to be a seventy percent touch guy. But I don't

1490
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 5: think his role is going away at all, even if

1491
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 5: Johnson's a huge hit, because he's what he does. He

1492
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 5: does as well as almost any back in the league.

1493
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 4: No, I know, Johnson's a rookie, so there's a lot

1494
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 4: of unknowns still there. But I think the running back

1495
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 4: room is I don't maybe saying a lot better than

1496
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 4: last year is a little extreme, but I think it's

1497
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 4: better for sure.

1498
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 2: I mean I think it's I think it's deeper. I

1499
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 2: think you know, they have different styles. Are guys that

1500
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 2: fit better stylistically and give you different looks depending on

1501
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: who's in there.

1502
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 5: I'm curious what Gainwell will do. I mean, he's he's

1503
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 5: been a good pro and all of a sudden, I mean,

1504
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 5: the room's a little crowded for him to get regular touches, but.

1505
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 2: He's going to be active every game day.

1506
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1507
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 2: Is he going to touch the ball five times a

1508
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 2: game in Week one?

1509
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 3: Is going to be a return man?

1510
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 2: He's definitely gonna be a return man. Yeah, I mean

1511
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 2: he was.

1512
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 6: He was up brush line as a kick return of

1513
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 6: last year. Correct.

1514
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, that speed that you know again,

1515
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 2: the ability to get the football quickly turn it upfield.

1516
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 2: You know, it's what you had hoped that they were

1517
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 2: going to have in Corderio Patterson.

1518
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 5: I just don't think war is probably why don't think

1519
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 5: Warrant's third down stuff is going away at all.

1520
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 2: No, No, I think he still do that and then

1521
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 2: he'll get more than that. One of the better pass

1522
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 2: blocking running backs in the league.

1523
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, were you up at camp when he That's how

1524
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 6: he kind of initially made his name the backs on.

1525
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 2: Back first backs on backer drill. He was like, whoa,

1526
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 2: I was up there for that, for that, but when

1527
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 2: we were we were on the air doing it, it's

1528
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 2: like whoa yeah, And that's how you get the coach's attention,

1529
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 2: you know, as a as an undrafted guy, because they

1530
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 2: brought in other there were other running backs that they

1531
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 2: brought in the undrafted guys that year, and he was

1532
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 2: he stood out because of that past protection and the

1533
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 2: willingness and desire to stick your nose in there. And

1534
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 2: it didn't matter who they put him up against, because

1535
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 2: Mike tomin will will, he'll set the matchups he wants.

1536
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 2: And you know, for an undrafted guy like that, early, okay,

1537
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 2: you're getting some other the roster type guys. But then

1538
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 2: as you show, okay, we're gonna we're gonna move you

1539
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 2: up in Waight class a little bit. Okay, now we're

1540
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 2: gonna bump you up in wait class a little bit

1541
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 2: more so, by the you know, by the end of

1542
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 2: it in terms of the you know, the second time

1543
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,679
Speaker 2: around when they did backs on backers, It's like, Okay,

1544
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 2: now he's going up against what Yeah, right exactly.

1545
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 5: So Tom and I actually were talking about this before

1546
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 5: we were on the air. We were just kind of

1547
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 5: here a little early, and I don't know what will

1548
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 5: happen about him, but I do have an eyebrow up

1549
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 5: for Trey Sermon and Evan Hull too. I mean, both

1550
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 5: those guys were really good big ten backs not long

1551
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 5: ago that were third and fourth round picks, I think, respectively.

1552
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 2: Been around the league a little bit, been around league

1553
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 2: a little bit.

1554
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 5: I don't know if they're special team capable at all,

1555
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 5: but to be frank, I mean, they're at career extinction

1556
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 5: time where they have no they have to do everything

1557
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 5: possible stick in this league, and they do have ability.

1558
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 5: So I wonder at camp if they start showing up

1559
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 5: or one of the two starts showing up as oh wow,

1560
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 5: you know, maybe they know the guy you thought they

1561
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 5: were coming out of college.

1562
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 6: And maybe a little less pedigree. But I got the sense,

1563
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 6: and I don't know if you guys felt the same way.

1564
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 6: I got the sense that Jonathan Ward was on the

1565
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 6: on the cusp of maybe getting a little bit longer.

1566
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 6: Look when he pulled his hamstring. Uh last year, you

1567
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 6: know he had to breakaway speed that they that they

1568
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 6: were lacking last year. Now, maybe the mix this year

1569
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 6: changes that had that outlook for him, but might as

1570
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 6: well just toss him into the mix too. It's when

1571
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 6: you look at the roster. You know, there's always a position, right,

1572
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 6: You look at the roster and you're like, well, boy,

1573
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 6: you need a little more there. Maybe you're wow that

1574
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 6: that position is like we're all talking about it. Are

1575
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 6: they going to add another wide receiver? I look at

1576
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 6: that running back group, I'm like, that's you know, somebody

1577
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 6: who's pretty good is not going to make the team. Probably.

1578
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like the defensive line group, like there's gonna

1579
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 2: be NFL guys.

1580
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 6: There's like a ten deep yeah yeah, yeah.

1581
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 5: The line's really named and back to like a Hull

1582
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 5: or a Sermon who was their lead back at Northwestern

1583
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 5: in Ohio State. I bet they have no special teams

1584
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 5: background and that's probably hurt them. While you know they're

1585
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 5: gonna have to be special teamers to make this team.

1586
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,600
Speaker 2: And I just don't. I can't comment on that. I

1587
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 2: remember talking about that years ago with Freddie McAfee, and

1588
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 2: McAfee was a guy who played, i think over twelve

1589
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 2: years in the league. Is it is a special team space,

1590
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 2: a great Spain teams guy. And he said that. You know,

1591
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 2: over the years, you know, these young running backs would

1592
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 2: come in who had been the guy at their respective

1593
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 2: you know, college, and you know they would laugh at him. Oh,

1594
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 2: you're just a special teams guy. You never get any carries.

1595
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm gonna be in the league for you know,

1596
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 2: ten plus I get a check every week for every

1597
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 2: week and right, yeah, talk to me in five years, right,

1598
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 2: and I get bet Lloyd. I always talked about Benny Snell.

1599
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 6: Darius Hayward, Benny Snell. Yeah, they would be a different position, right,

1600
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 6: first round pick exactly.

1601
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 5: I mean Snell was the feature back on an SEC team.

1602
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 5: Gets here in real I'm not going to be the

1603
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 5: feature back in the NFL and became a pretty good

1604
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 5: special teamer.

1605
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 2: You know you have to Yeah, absolutely, you guys. Let's

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Speaker 2: get to a break. We are live from the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Ota sessions here at the upmc rooney Sports Complex here

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01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 2: on Fox Sports nine seventy and Steelers Nation Radio. I

1609
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 2: am Dale Lally. You heard Rob King, the voice of

1610
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 2: the Steelers there, joining us here for a little session

1611
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 2: to stay out of the rain. I know what he's

1612
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Speaker 2: trying to do here.

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Speaker 6: Come on, I was here yesterday when when you were.

1614
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 2: That's true, some money in the bank. There also Tom

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01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 2: Opperman and the Matt Williamson joining us here. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: take a little break. We'll be back with more from

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Speaker 2: the upmc rooney Sports Complex right after this