1 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: Okay. 2 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 2: So the Internet creates its own narrative and story, as 3 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 2: does the media. And I discussed a scene on The 4 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 2: Housewives with Rachel Zoe, who I recently spoke about on 5 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: this podcast, and of course it was not it misconstrued, 6 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: just sort of misrepresented. 7 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: But I don't care. 8 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: If I open my mouth, it's getting written about and 9 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: the headline is going to create the story and it's 10 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: clickbait and people will hate and I don't care, all right, 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: but I'll tell you the matter, so we could talk 12 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: about it as just a conversation that I am absolutely 13 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 2: qualified and an expert on discussing. Okay, So Rachel Zoe 14 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: is a mom, and I'm sure sure she's a great mom. 15 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: She has two children. 16 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: One looks young like I'm not good at that, but 17 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: could be like six, seventh or eighth grade, and the 18 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: other one looks like one looks like six or seventh, 19 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: one looks like eighth or ninth. Okay, but they're children, 20 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: and they're on The Housewives. I was on The Housewives, 21 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 2: and I when my daughter was of any age that 22 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: she could or couldn't have been on television. I had 23 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: a lot of leverage on the show because I had 24 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: come back, and it doesn't even matter if I had 25 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 2: leverage or she was not gonna be on the show. 26 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: And Sonya's daughter wasn't on the show. So it does. 27 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 2: Speak to a talent that you are valuable enough that 28 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 2: they will allow you to be on the show when 29 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: you're not showing a boyfriend, a husband, a child. That's 30 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: a big thing. Like they don't allow that, Okay, they 31 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: don't allow that. And so if someone is coming on 32 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: and says, I'm not going to have my boyfriend on 33 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: this on, they won't allow it. So even first season 34 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: when I had no levelge coming onto the Housewives, I 35 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: had a boyfriend named Jason, and he didn't want to 36 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 2: be on, and they were like then and no, and 37 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: I got him to be on, and that was the 38 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: scene when he said, let's talk about it later. When 39 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: he had already asked for me to move in and 40 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: us to live together. I was looking at apartments, but 41 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: he didn't want to talk about anything on camera. He 42 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: had a big job at that time, well at any time. 43 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 2: It wasn't great for him and he really didn't want 44 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: to be on. So we did one scene and I 45 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: had to ask him about the apartment and if we 46 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: were going to move in together. But I already knew 47 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: that he wanted to move in together because we had 48 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: been talking about it, but he didn't want to talk 49 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: about it on camera. 50 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 1: So I was saying, what do you think? 51 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 2: And he was like, we'll talk about it later, and 52 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 2: I'm like on camera dying because I was like that 53 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: girl in high school where the boy broke up with 54 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: me and I want to like not have everyone know 55 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 2: he broke up with me, and I want to remark it. 56 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: And I'm like, what do you mean and he's like, 57 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: we'll talk about it later. I'm like, but you don't 58 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 2: want to talk about it now, Like I just wanted 59 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: him to say something like I love you, I care 60 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 2: about you, we're going to live together yet, like check 61 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: the box. And instead he's like, we'll talk about it later, 62 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 2: and he's sweating, and I'm like, oh my god, and 63 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: I'm dying in the game is moving so fast, and 64 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: I am a new housewife, a brand new housewife. I'm 65 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 2: not even a housewife because the show's called Manhattan Moms 66 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: and I have no leverage. And it didn't portray this 67 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 2: situation accurately because it wasn't. It made him look like 68 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: a dick. But he wasn't being a dick. He just 69 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: didn't want to be on camera, Okay, And so that's 70 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 2: on me. 71 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: That's on me. That's on me. 72 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: That's a little on him, but it's on me. And 73 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 2: this is the job that I signed up for. So 74 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 2: this is the job that Rachel's so signed up for. 75 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: And this is the job that every housewife that has 76 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: had a husband cheating or going away for fraud or 77 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: financial problems like, this is what they signed up for. 78 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 2: This is what they're being paid for. So Rachel not 79 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: even presumably there is no Presumably she was told we 80 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: need to get a scene with you and your kids. 81 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: I've done fifteen seasons of reality television, like in my life, 82 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: like she was told, we have to get a scene 83 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 2: with your kids. And and Maurice has been on television 84 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: with Bravo for years and either got paid or the 85 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: kids get paid because of it, or another business or 86 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: show he's doing with them or whatever. There's a reason 87 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: he gets on He either wants he gets to wear 88 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: an agency's T shirt and then he does a scene 89 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: with dor Reat, which I saw on social media. 90 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: I haven't seen these scenes on the show. 91 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: I've seen them all as clips on social media, so 92 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: I'm getting just like a snippet of a scene. So 93 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: that's a disclaimer, but I know what the deal is. 94 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 2: So if Maurice is sitting at a table with Dori 95 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: eat and a clip on TikTok that came to be somehow, 96 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: he's not doing it for his health. He's doing it 97 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: for his business, for the agency, for a paycheck, for 98 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: his kids, whatever. Okay, but that's why he's sitting down 99 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: doing it. There's always a risk. So now Rachel gets 100 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: in a scene that the producers have said, we got 101 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 2: to get a scene with you and your kids, and 102 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: they got to establish her life, and her story is 103 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 2: her divorce. The last time she was on Bravo on TV, 104 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: she was with this man, Roger, and that's her story. Like, 105 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: you need a story. It can't just be someone just 106 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: dressing people like. They don't care if I'm friends with Madonna, 107 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: Steven Spielberg or Sidney Sweeney. 108 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: That's not the stuff that rates. They don't care. 109 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 2: If Jennifer Garnano's wearing a dress of the Oscars, that's 110 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 2: a fine frosting. But they care about her interaction with 111 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 2: the other people. And her personal life. So now they 112 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: don't have Roger to be on the show, and they 113 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: need people around her, and you need friends and cousins 114 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: and mothers and sisters and country clubs that don't want 115 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: to film, and it's not that easy. So now they're like, 116 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: we got to get you in your house and see 117 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: you doing some reality. What is reality? We want to 118 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: see you packing, we want to see you making a sandwich. 119 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: We want to see what your life is like in 120 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: the morning. What's it like when you make breakfast? So 121 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 2: we need to see you with the kids at the house, 122 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 2: in the kitchen. I don't know what the rest of 123 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: that scene was, but it probably was like someone walks 124 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: home with their homewark, their backpack. I don't know what 125 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 2: they were. But that's called shoot reality. They'll shoot reality 126 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: sometimes that's the whole day. We just want to get 127 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: some reality with you. We want to get you driving 128 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: in and out of the driveway and talking on the 129 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 2: phone and whatever. Okay, So there's a scene and she's 130 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 2: basically saying, I'm paraphrasing, like, and what's it like now 131 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: in the house without your dad being here? And they're like, well, 132 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: he wasn't really here. That much anyway, and so now 133 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: it's like more and she's like he was a big presence, 134 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 2: et cetera. First of all, I don't solicit or give 135 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: unsolicited advice or opinions about people's parenting. And so in 136 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: this case, a woman is doing a reality show for reasons, 137 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 2: business reasons, financial reasons, personal reasons, and that those won't 138 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: necessarily be divulge. But I've been on the inside and 139 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: the outside, and I know there are reasons. It's either money, relevance, 140 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: or business or all three, or lack of boredom okay 141 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: or whatever it is. So I don't judge parenting. So 142 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 2: now you're in this scene, and I was deeply uncomfortable 143 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: because I know how producers operate. I know about their whiteboard. 144 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: I know about the needing to get you together and 145 00:06:58,120 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: you need to talk to that person about that thing 146 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: and that doesn't want to talk about that thing. And 147 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: I know about parenting. I know about Sonya and not 148 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 2: having her child on. I know about Ali Zarn and 149 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 2: her mother taking her to a place that the audience 150 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: construed to be a fat camp. So for her whole life, 151 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: she was the girl that on television got sent to 152 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: fat camp. Avery was the girl that Lan's kids were 153 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: the kids that And there are fifty shades of it 154 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: because some people do a better job of protecting it, 155 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: or just they get lucky. There are a million things, 156 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: and some of the kids that you don't hear from 157 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: one of the two kids maybe really hates it, doesn't 158 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: want to be part of it. Think Rob Kardashian, okay, 159 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: or that version on The Housewives. One doesn't want to 160 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: be part of it. Or you have a situation like 161 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,559 Speaker 2: a woman in Orange County and her kids have talked 162 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 2: about it being a negative aspect of their lives, and 163 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: they had substance issues and they've had issues with the law. 164 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: That doesn't mean it's because of this. There have been many, 165 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 2: many kids with substance issues and many family issues on 166 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: these shows. And you cannot solely blaeame reality television any 167 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 2: more than you can blame reality television. 168 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: For a divorce. But this exists. 169 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: And you had a woman, I think it was Dina 170 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: Manzo's daughter who did a video saying that she said 171 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: something when she was thirteen, and like she's been criticized 172 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: for it now because now she's an adult and it's 173 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: not like a social media post where you post a 174 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: picture of you and your kid and you can take 175 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: it down, and yes, someone could have screen grabbed it, 176 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: but it's a snippet and you control the content. You 177 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: edit it, you post it. You live and die on 178 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 2: that sort. You chose it. 179 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: Reality TV. 180 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: It's cooked and they decide how it's served, and it's 181 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 2: served forever. So you're now thirty years old, then you're 182 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: trying to date and the clip that they'll look up 183 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: is you went to fat camp or whatever. Dina Manzo's 184 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: daughter said. She said, and she was deeply embarrassed by it. 185 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: So I don't frankly give a shit about the Internet 186 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: has to say about me commenting on a medium and kids. 187 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: But even the parent of the kid, if the kid 188 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 2: is young or like is an adolescent or a young 189 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 2: teen or tween, they don't know what it's going to 190 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: be like for the kid at eighteen, because I haven't 191 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: had a kid that's eighteen, So for me, I have 192 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: a fifteen year old, and I know that my daughter 193 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 2: doesn't want to post stuff for brands, even if she 194 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: could get commercials and modeling and things like that on 195 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: her own page. She doesn't want that. She doesn't want 196 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: the response from her peers. She doesn't want that kind 197 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 2: of attention. She doesn't want that scrutiny. Kids are dealing 198 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 2: with skin and emotions and grades and body image, and 199 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: something that worked when someone was ten or twelve is 200 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: different when someone is fifteen, eighteen, twenty five, thirty thirty five, dating, married, 201 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: et cetera. It's just different, and you can't know until 202 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: it's cooked. So I am not criticizing anyone's parenting. The 203 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 2: parent in the scene doesn't know the effects of splenda 204 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 2: or ozembic or whatever, or being on reality television ten 205 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: years from now. It made me deeply uncomfortable because I 206 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: have institutional knowledge on this topic, being on the inside, 207 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 2: being on the outside, being a parent, having other people 208 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 2: that I know who have kids who've been in this medium, 209 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 2: having Bella and Gigi Hadid and their mom Bidiam and 210 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 2: mom that wouldn't give them food, and like, all of 211 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: these things are real. 212 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: This is a fact. 213 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: Bella Hadib was on TV and people were talking about 214 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 2: her getting into trouble when she was sixteen for like 215 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: either a dui or something like it happened to Lewan's 216 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 2: daughter something with a dui like that shit. 217 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: The show puts on because it was in the media. 218 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 2: But it's a dangerous game and there's a price to 219 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: reality television. 220 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: And that scene, not Rachel, not the kids. That scene 221 00:10:58,880 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: made me. 222 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: Deeply on comfortable because of all that I know, and 223 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 2: I will die on that hill. 224 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: The internet was like I dragged Rachel. 225 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 2: I didn't say one word about her at all, nor 226 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 2: would I even said, this is not a digorous swife. 227 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: So Leah McSweeney, she's the. 228 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: Only one like sort of that's had an issue with 229 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 2: Bravo that it stood because Andy has befriended anyone who's 230 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 2: taken issue with them, so frankly Brandy and Leo Brandy 231 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 2: I don't believe has a case. But like anyone who's 232 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: taken issue against Bravo or Andy Cohen, they have reconciled with, 233 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: like a Carol or Anini or a Kathy Griffin, who 234 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: have very publicly gone against this realm, they've reconciled. Most 235 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: of them didn't have cases or they weren't viable. And 236 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: I'm going to educate you on something. And I learned 237 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 2: this from Gretchen Carlson. So Gretchen Carlson went against Fox 238 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: and Roger Ayle's was running Fox for sexual I don't 239 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 2: know the word advances or essay or whatever. Okay, there 240 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: are contracts with networks and it says something like binding arbitration. 241 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: It means you must arbitrary, which I think means like 242 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 2: you can't go to court, and that means that the 243 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 2: dirty laundry won't be aired because the realm who pays 244 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: their talent in a certain way so that the talent 245 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: is like a contractor and the talent can't be thought 246 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: of as an employee. And the reason that's done or 247 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 2: had been done is so the employee can't go against 248 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: a realm for violation of an employee. Like in other words, 249 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 2: if an employer celebrated their employee falling off the wagon 250 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: doing drugs or drinking and highlighted that, they would obviously 251 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 2: be sued by the employee. Like there are times when 252 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: Andy was on a reunion talking to Rachel saying what 253 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 2: medications were you want? And you were medicated, and like 254 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: there's some like hippo laws of that violate. It's like 255 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 2: you can't You're not gonna ask your employployee, but the 256 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: drugs you're taking for your situation. But there's a technicality 257 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: with reality employees that they're not technically employees because of this, 258 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 2: because the nature of the content is all about like 259 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: conflict and drugs and abuse and bankruptcy and all these 260 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 2: things and sexuality and all this stuff that it would 261 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: be a violation of okay. So Bretchen Carlson has highlighted 262 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: that that's like a flaw in the system that you're 263 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: kind of it's almost like an NDA. It's not quite 264 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: an NDA, but you're kind of like gagged because no 265 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 2: one's ever going to really know about any conflict that 266 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: the employee and the employer have that the talent and 267 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: the networker streamer would have. So Leah McSweeney has had 268 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 2: a case against Bravo. Now, you may love your reality TV, 269 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 2: and that is fine. It is an outlet great be entertained, enjoy. 270 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: And you may love when Lee is running around with 271 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,599 Speaker 2: tiki torches, or when someone gets fucked up or naked wasted, 272 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: or someone's in a bathroom pressuring someone because they're naked 273 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 2: wasted on the OC. Like, you could love all of 274 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 2: that and you can find it entertaining because you're not 275 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: expected to be the police and to like start judging 276 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: how something goes down. Sometimes you don't even realize how 277 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 2: it goes down. You're a viewer, okay, But when Leah's 278 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: on the Tiki torches, there's stuff going on behind the scenes, 279 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: and she has a case against Bravos saying that they 280 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 2: really did sort of pressure her to drink, celebrate her drink, 281 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: make it difficult for her to be sober, and like 282 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 2: they did say, don't worry, this person's gonna drink, like 283 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: a person who had stopped drinking, and the head of 284 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: the production company said, well, I mean, listen, of course 285 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: Blank is going to drink, like and of course this 286 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: person's gonna fall off the wagon, like in a way 287 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: that it was like, well, they were slurring in the morning, 288 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 2: like excited that this person wasn't staying sober because it's 289 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: better for television when that person is drunk, because they're 290 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: gonna fly off the handle, because especially if someone's an addict, 291 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 2: they are more mercurial with the substance. Like if I drink, 292 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: I might say something on television and I might say 293 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: more than I normally would, but I'm not mercurial as 294 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: a result of an addiction, which is a different type 295 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: of person, like a person who's an addict who falls 296 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: off a wagon or drinks or does drugs like they're 297 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: gonna have an emotion about it. It's literally a disease 298 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 2: and it's an addiction, so there's like a chemical aspect 299 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: to it. It's like just add water. They're gonna become 300 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 2: like a gremlin when you add water. So I'm not 301 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: gonna become a gremlin. I might become a little more loosey, goosey, funny, honest. Oh, 302 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 2: I loved buzz Bethany, but it's not gonna be fucking 303 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: blackout Leah with the tiki torches. 304 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: So her case is about that. 305 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that anyone ever plied us with 306 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 2: or poured alcohol down our throats. It was always readily available, 307 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: it was never stopped down, it was never discouraged. There 308 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: was no drink limit, just like they have in the 309 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 2: UK and they now are much more serious about since 310 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: the Reality reckoning. But it was definitely celebrated, promoted, highlighted, 311 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: expected and like amorized. You know, I mean, listen, look 312 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: at us in Tequila Mexico. We were I brought everyone 313 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: to Tequila Mexico. I invented the skinny margarita and the 314 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: skinny Girl brand the fastest growing like a random history 315 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: at the time. I am not saying I'm a stranger 316 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: to a cocktail. I'm saying that the production, the producers, 317 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: and the network deeply enjoy, promote and celebrate when someone's 318 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: getting fucked up, or they did in my realm in 319 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: my era, and would talk about it and like bet 320 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 2: on it, you know, bet on someone falling up their sobriety. Okay, 321 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: So Leah's case has now gone far enough to go 322 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 2: back in front of this judge, and this judge is 323 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 2: named Lineman, and this judge also works on another big 324 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 2: cases and sort of doesn't seem to have a tolerance 325 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: for like getting away with it because you're like sort 326 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 2: of you know, famous and a big powerful media entity. 327 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: So this judge when Bravo basically came in and said like, no, 328 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 2: we want to like hail Mary pass to do arbitration, 329 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 2: like they don't want it to be seen in front 330 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: of a court. 331 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: The judge was like, what are you talking. No, you 332 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: don't get to just like. 333 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 2: Stroll in here and get your way because you don't 334 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 2: want anyone to know about this situation. So there was 335 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: definitely a move in the case, and it was a 336 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 2: point for Leah. And I mean, she's the little trade 337 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 2: engine that could. And like I said, you could hate her. 338 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,719 Speaker 2: You could say they didn't make her drink. She's an addict, 339 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: don't get wasted. You could say whatever you want. You 340 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 2: could hate her. You probably don't like her. She's also 341 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 2: threatening your you know, fun reality TV, which she is in, 342 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 2: because reality TV will last and live on. It's just 343 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: being made in a different way now, yes, in part. 344 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 2: And you're welcome because the reality reckoning when people say 345 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 2: what happened to it, it happened, is happening. 346 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: It's still happening. 347 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 2: But people were team Johnny Depp and then they were 348 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: team Amber heard and not until it was in court 349 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 2: did the truth come out, so you could think whatever 350 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 2: you want. There was an episode with Brandy Glanville, not 351 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 2: an episode. There's a season in Morocco of Housewives Ultimate 352 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 2: Girls Trip with Brandy Lanville and Carole Amanzo that has 353 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 2: never seen the light of day. Do you think Bravo 354 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 2: spends millions of dollars on TV shows and they don't 355 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: see the light of day. Something fucked up went on 356 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: there that they don't want people to see. And it's 357 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 2: between the Carolyn and Brandy and the accusations. But like 358 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 2: shit goes on, Okay, I've seen the shit go on. 359 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 2: You've seen producers hooking up a talent, you've seen drugs, 360 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,959 Speaker 2: You've seen all of it. Shit goes on, and it 361 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: used to be the wild, wild West. So Lea just 362 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 2: got a check mark and maybe going to court and 363 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 2: then you'll see what did or didn't happen. 364 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: And I literally don't know. 365 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 2: I'm just telling you my perspective based on what I've 366 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: seen as an experienced, seasoned reality television show cast member. 367 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 2: But the judge had previously dismissed the case, saying that 368 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 2: the show had the right to make whatever show it wanted. 369 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 2: So it's a whole mixed story. Okay, so this could 370 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 2: be bullshit. I don't know, but I want to believe it. 371 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: And I don't know why, but I'm invested in Tom Brady. 372 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 2: I don't know why. He gets a lot of shit 373 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: and a lot of hate and he always has and 374 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: I get it because also you have rabid sports fans. 375 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 2: You've got Boston. I guess years ago it was the Flakegate. 376 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 2: He's super famous. If he's super good looking, he's really successful. 377 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,239 Speaker 2: He gets a decent amount of hate for someone that, 378 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: to me, minds his own business. Yes, he's been involved 379 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: in different businesses and some have been problematic. He can't 380 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 2: predict that he invested in something. It went sideways, like 381 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: you're gonna fucking be out there, you're gonna make an ALMESD. 382 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: You're gonna crack some eggs. Okay. 383 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 2: So like I'm gonna say, I'm team Tom, not Againstjoselle. 384 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 2: I don't know anything about his I'm just like team Tom. 385 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 2: I'm on the Tom team. So I heard that Tom 386 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,959 Speaker 2: Brad might be dating Scooter Braun's ex. 387 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: I don't know why. 388 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 2: I feel like I know her. She will have to 389 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: speak to that. Her name is so familiar to me, 390 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 2: Yille Cohen, y'ell Cohen Braun. So the name sounds like 391 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 2: she's Jewish, which I don't think Tom Brady's dated a 392 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 2: Jewish woman before, and so that's interesting to me. She's 393 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: in her late thirties. I like that age for him. 394 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 2: She seems attractive, like seems smart. I don't know a lot, 395 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: but like seems smart. I literally looked her up for 396 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,479 Speaker 2: thirty seconds when I saw they might be dating, and 397 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 2: it might have said like activist or something. I don't know, 398 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 2: Like she stands for something. I don't know what, but 399 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 2: she stands for something. And she was married to Scooter Braun, 400 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 2: who's like he was the peacock in that relationship, and 401 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: now she's with Tom Brady, and Tom is obviously the 402 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 2: peacock in this relationship. But like, I don't know, you 403 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: date Tom Brady, you are a partial peacock. You date 404 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 2: time I'm Brady, You're a partial peacock. Like Scooter Braun 405 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 2: is successful. Scooter Braun is with Scarlet Johanson and most 406 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: people don't really care. 407 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: Like he's a business guy. 408 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: I've messaged him before, I've watched his social media, like 409 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 2: I've been interested in him. 410 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: I met him once. 411 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 2: He did Allan a favor and put Justin Bieber on 412 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 2: my talk show. But like Scooter bron is Scooter Braun 413 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 2: and fucking your ex, possibly dating or being linked to Tom. 414 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: Brady is gonna leave a fucking mark. 415 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:41,479 Speaker 2: Stocks rise when you are linked to Tom Brady. Stocks rise, 416 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 2: n stocks rise when you're linked to Scarlet. But for 417 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 2: some reason, I don't know why the Scooter stock is 418 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 2: not rising in the same way. 419 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't make the rules. 420 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 2: I know that Tom was like for one second, was 421 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 2: he maybe linked? Why don't say Scarlett Johansson, Who the 422 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 2: fuck's wrong with me? Not Scarlett Johanson, Sidney Sweeney, scratch 423 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 2: that striker from the record, Sidney Sweeney's dating Scooter Braun. 424 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 2: And I think she was like linked to Tom Brady, 425 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: but it was fake news. I think it was at 426 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 2: the Bezos wedding, so I think it was fake news. 427 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 2: But again, you get linked to Tom Brady and stocks rise, 428 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 2: and yes, yes, being linked to Sidney Sweeney, presumably your 429 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 2: stock rises. It's just not the same when someone has 430 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,239 Speaker 2: called you the goat, stocks are going to rise. So 431 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 2: I like him with a Jewish woman. I don't know why. 432 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 2: I don't know why, just because it's different. I like 433 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 2: him with a woman in her late thirties. I think 434 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 2: it's age of probes. I like him with a smart woman. 435 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 2: I like him with a smart woman. He's a successful quarterback, 436 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 2: and as I've said previously on this show, that's a 437 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 2: smart position. You need to be smart, you need to 438 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 2: be a thinker. He needs to be with someone smart. 439 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: So that's what I have to say about. 440 00:22:54,080 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 3: That water faster,