1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World. Former Speaker of the 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: House and my good friend Kevin McCarthy announced in an 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: op ed in The Wall Street Journal in December sixth 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: that he'd be leaving Congress. The son of a firefighter, 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: McCarthy describes himself as an optimist, having served seventeen years 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: in the same congressional seat, representing California's twentieth congressional district 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: from two thousand and seven to twenty twenty three. Since 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: he wrote that op ed, he has left Congress and 9 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: started the next chapter of his career. I consider him 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: a good friend, so I want to have it on 11 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 1: today to talk about what's next for him and what 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: we can expect in the coming months with the elections 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: of the House and presidential campaign. So I'm really pleased 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: to welcome my guest, the fifty fifth Speaker of the House, 15 00:00:49,520 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy. Kevin, welcome, and thank you for joining me 16 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: again on News World. 17 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, mister Speaker. It's an honor to be 18 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: back on your podcast. It's been a little more time 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: with you. 20 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: As somebody who's gone through a similar experience. I'm just 21 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: going to go right into it. Tell us about the 22 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: first couple of days and your reaction when you didn't 23 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: have to get up in the morning and go to 24 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: the house. 25 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: You know, the first part is so much of your 26 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 2: life for the last couple of decades has been in 27 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: the house making sure everything's working. You're worried about every 28 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: little thing, and you know what it's able to go 29 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 2: without you. And when you turn on the TV and 30 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 2: you look at the more chaos, you kind of think, 31 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 2: I'm glad I'm not there right now, but hopefully you 32 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 2: would have made it a little better, a little different. 33 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: You've had a great career. I think I first remembered 34 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: you when you were I think first and intern and 35 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: then you worked briefly with John Bahner on the election 36 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: subcommittee looking at a recount, if I remember correctly. 37 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was House administration, the whole story. I tried 38 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: to get an internship I got turned down from but 39 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: only in this country can you actually end up getting 40 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: elected to the seat you couldn't get an internship for. 41 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 2: But I went back and Bill Thomas let me become 42 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: an intern and put me on, and he was doing 43 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: House administration. We'd have contested elections. It was Rose in Lumberton, 44 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 2: North Carolina contested race and John Bayner was actually a 45 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: member to it, and we were down looking at that race. 46 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: And that's from the very beginning. I have this old 47 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: picture I got to pull out. You were kind enough 48 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: as speaker to let me come in and take a 49 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: picture with you. You had that dinosaur in the conference 50 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: room as busy as you were change in Washington. What 51 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: I always loved about you. You always had new ideas. 52 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: You were never afraid to meet with people and even 53 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: inspire a young person like myself to stay involved. 54 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: When did you start getting intersered in politicians? 55 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting. In elementary school they had something 56 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: called the Weekly Reader where you'd have this old film 57 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: and the class I got to put it in the 58 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: little projector, but you would reflect on what happened during 59 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: the week on different news items. Right today, you could 60 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 2: get it on your phone or whatever. But Jimmy Carter 61 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: was president at the time, and it's still certain defining 62 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: things in your life. You still remember them almost in 63 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 2: slow motion. I remember the chaos in America, and I 64 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 2: still remember Jimmy Carter's malaise speech where he puts a 65 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: sweater on. He looks like mister Rogers right, and literally 66 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: the way I remember as a child is to turn 67 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 2: the heater down and tell me the best days were 68 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: behind us. And then I remember this other guy from 69 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: California who really brought me to the party and made 70 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: me think about politics. Ronald Rey. You no pastels, you 71 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: fly the bold colors. You go to the shiny city 72 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: on the hill, and it's something you and I talk 73 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: a lot about. You know, you'll say, oh, you're from California. 74 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: You're always happy. You know, you got to show them 75 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: you're top. I take the Reagan philosophy. If I ever 76 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: thought Reagan would give me philosophy. There's two major things 77 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: he would say. If you truly believe in your principles 78 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: and in those principles, doesn't matter if your principles can 79 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: be different. But if you believe these principles bring people 80 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: more freedom, why are you angry? If you knew you 81 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: were fighting for your principles and at the end it 82 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 2: brought people more freedom, you should be a happy conservative, 83 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 2: not an angry conservative. But that would go to a 84 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: progressive or someone else too, if that was the outcome 85 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 2: you truly believe your principles brought. He would also tell 86 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 2: you peace without freedom is meaningless. It is human nature 87 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: that we all crave peace, no matter who you are, 88 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: but you can never attain it without having freedom. That's 89 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: where the progresses and the others miss. How to have peace, 90 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 2: you have to have the freedom first. Right. And when 91 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 2: you think of that time in the error and I 92 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 2: grew and got older, the Berlin Wall coming down, are 93 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: Tenement Square building a statue that looks like the statue 94 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 2: of liberty. Right that these young kids, a million of 95 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: them in college and would stand in front of the 96 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: tank literally to this day. I don't know that man's 97 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: name because he's not alive today, but he would sacrifice 98 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: his life for the idea. And to me, that is 99 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: what Reagan talked about the shiny City on the hill, 100 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: That America is more than a country. America is an 101 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 2: idea that's more powerful than our aircraft carriers. Right, that 102 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: this idea is so powerful it would inspire a million 103 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 2: kids in Tenement Square to build a statue looks like 104 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: statue of liberty because they craved the peace, they wanted 105 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: the freedom. And today I think the challenge is just 106 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:34,679 Speaker 2: as great. 107 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: That began to intrigue you with politics, and then you 108 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: went to school and then you also work. 109 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: I was class president one year in my sophomore. The 110 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: only election I ever lost was for reelection to class 111 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: president in high school. But when I got out, my 112 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 2: folks can have great money. My first driver was I 113 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 2: wanted to be an entrepreneur, right, so I'm going to 114 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 2: community college. The guy that owns the liquor store that 115 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 2: we buy some Beera and can get some underage he 116 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: had a car dealer's license and Baker's Fields two hours 117 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: from LA. So I talked to him one day. I said, 118 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 2: I'll give you one hundred dollars if you would go 119 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 2: with me to LA. It's where all the dealers bring 120 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: their trade ins. But you got to be a dealer together. 121 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: And I would buy and sell cars, and I was 122 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: flipping them to make money. While I went to college, 123 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: and on the weekends, i'd visit my buddies who were 124 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: away at call me. My best friend was the running 125 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: back at Stamford. My other buddies at SC. My other 126 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: friends were at San Diego State. So this weekend I 127 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: was well go to Sandego State. So I go to 128 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 2: the food town market at little grocery store that I 129 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 2: used to box groceries in to cash a check. Right 130 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: as I'm standing in line with my friend. The lottery 131 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 2: had just started the day before, and so I tell 132 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 2: my friend, if I win the lottery, I'll give you 133 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: one hundred bucks. I buy two scratch off tickets, and 134 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: I'm one of the first winners of the lottery. But 135 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: you got to put in perspective. This is nineteen eighty five. 136 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: I'm twenty years I just want five thousand dollars. This 137 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: is before Biden inflation, so it was real money. You're 138 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: twenty years old, it's Friday night, and you're going to 139 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 2: spend the weekend ten minutes from Tijuana. Right. So I 140 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 2: come back my folks to dinner. I can still tell 141 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: you what they ordered, steak, Diane. I gave my brother 142 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 2: and sister to each hundred bucks and I put the 143 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: majority of rest of money. And the thing you learn 144 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: about me is I'd love to take risk. Right. I 145 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: put it into one stock and I make thirty percent 146 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: on my money in six weeks. Now, because I'm brilliant, 147 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: I took a lot of stock that would have risk. 148 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: I got a good outcome. So at the end of 149 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: the semester, I decided I'm going to take a break 150 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 2: from school. I'd sell my deli so I could pay 151 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: my way through college. And what I do while I'm 152 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: going to college. The local paper, the bikeshow California has 153 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: this article to be a summer intern and watched in 154 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 2: DC with Bill Thomas. So I apply. I didn't know 155 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: the man, but I thought he'd be lucky to have me. 156 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: And you know what he did. He turned me down. 157 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: But in the turndown letter there was a really nice one. 158 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: So I go back to the office. They wouldn't even 159 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: let me get past the first door of the reception 160 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: and Kathy Abernathy was the chief of staff, and she 161 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: came out and interviewed me. I said, look, I don't 162 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: need to go to DC. You don't need to pay me. 163 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: I got money. I just want to volunteer because I 164 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: wanted to meet people in business. They said, volunteer for 165 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: one month for free. Great, because they had computers. I 166 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: could do my homework at night. A month comes forward, 167 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: they say, we like you, we want you to stay on. 168 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: We don't have much money. I go, great, we'll pay 169 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: you one hundred dollars a month. Fabulous, don't need money. 170 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: That's what got we started in politics, and then I 171 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: went to the College Republican meeting because there's this one guy. 172 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: Sometimes you find people in politics, and I had eight 173 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: of them in my congress that are just the psychopaths 174 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: or they're out for themselves. And I went to the 175 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 2: first meeting because he was such a problem child. And 176 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: we overthrew and took over the College Republicans on my 177 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 2: first night. 178 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: Wow, you're already a leader. The very first evening. 179 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: I became chairman of the College Republicans. I made it 180 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 2: the biggest club on campus. I had the bushes come in, 181 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: I would have different people come and talk, and what 182 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: was interesting, they'd come and talk about Reagan's policies when 183 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: it came to what people would call Star Wars or others, 184 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: which is the Iron Dome today. 185 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: Right, you're already active as a college Republican, don't you 186 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: then also have sort of a national College Republican activity. 187 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: I went from College Republicans adjoining Young Republicans and I 188 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: became national Young Republican chairman across the nation getting more 189 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: people involved. 190 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: You and Steve Scalice actually knew each other way back then. 191 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, when I was national chair Steve Witch chairman of Louisiana, 192 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 2: Scott Perry, who is a member today from Pennsylvania. He 193 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: was in the Pennsylvania delegation. And Ron Estes in Kansas. 194 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: He's older than me. He actually was a head of Kansas, 195 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 2: ran for Kansas. I ran for national chairman but lost. 196 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 2: It was a very competitive race. I remember going to 197 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: that convention. I was just a member at the time, 198 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: so it's a very good training ground to how to 199 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: build a coalition. 200 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: How do you then make the transition, because don't you 201 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: go next to Washington. 202 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: I got my MBA, I was going to go into business. 203 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: I ran for the community college board because they were 204 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: helpful to me, and I found all the frustration was Sacramento, 205 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: so I ran for the State Assembly and I won. 206 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 2: It was a tough year, and actually in nine months 207 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: into my freshman year, I get elected leader, the first 208 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 2: freshman Republican or Democrat ever get elected leader in Sacramento, 209 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: and we end up recalling Gray Davis kind of transformed things. 210 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 2: And then what was interesting, I was in the minority 211 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: and then they elected a new speaker, a Democrat, and 212 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 2: the local journal there picked me as the rookie of 213 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: the year, the most power, and I remember the speaker 214 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: calling me in. He was so mad that I want it. 215 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: I said, well, nobody votes on it, you know, they 216 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: just look at it. All right, we got people, but 217 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: I don't know. He was angry with me that he 218 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: didn't win. 219 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: Well. I remember coming out while you were leader, it 220 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: was clearer you had a future and it was clear 221 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: that eventually you would replace Bill Thomas. 222 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: I brought in all the district reps because I was 223 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: going out to win seats, and I had you come 224 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 2: in and talk to inspire because you always inspired me. 225 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: You know the thing about the Republican Party and really 226 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: the conservative wing of the party, and that's what I 227 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: think of when I think of you and I there 228 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: are people today that aren't true Conservatives because they just 229 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: don't want to govern. That's not where Reagan was. You 230 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: want to govern in a small government, conservative way. To 231 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: show that you could be effective, efficient and accountable in 232 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 2: the process and part within California, that was our challenge. 233 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 2: We had to show the public. Look, we won some 234 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 2: big races those years. We won the governorship, we got 235 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 2: appointed to the Secretary of State. We were competitive in 236 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: places they didn't think. And then what I did, I 237 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,599 Speaker 2: just applied that when I got elected to Congress in 238 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 2: six we had lost the majority that year, and that's 239 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: when I created what was young Guns going out across 240 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: the country. And fortunately I'd been able to be leader 241 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 2: of these last five years. And in those five years, 242 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: those two cycles, we've never lost. We've only won. We 243 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: won in the cycles that Republicans lost the Senate twice, 244 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: they lost the presidency, they lost governors, they lost the legislatures. 245 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: And we did it by electing more women, more minorities, 246 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: challenging in places and seats that most Republicans wouldn't think to. 247 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 2: I mean, when I became leader, Pelosi became Speaker. And 248 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: in those two cycles, you know how many seats Pelosi 249 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: won in California zero, She lost five and that was 250 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 2: our majority. We won in Oregon, we had won there 251 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: in twenty some years. We beat the d triple C 252 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 2: chair that hadn't happened in forty six years. We won 253 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: five in New York. We won in Arizona. While every 254 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 2: other Republican loss from governor on down, in Arizona we 255 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 2: picked up a seat from the Democrats. So I think 256 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 2: there's a model here, and part of that is one 257 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: of the times I enjoyed the most is when you 258 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 2: would go on the road with me that last month 259 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 2: when we were campaigning, and remember going down into Texas, 260 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 2: a place no one thought the border. We're talking, We're 261 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: talking right along the border. Remember that one night, the 262 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: crowd of what was there? We had three Latinas running 263 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 2: the crowd. You wouldn't think you were walking into the 264 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: Republican Party, did you? And how enthusiastics. I mean, there's 265 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: something changing here. 266 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: It is fascinating to watch the polling numbers shift and 267 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: I think part of it is us, part of the 268 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: appeal of Trump, but part of it is Biden. I 269 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: mean he is driving Asians, Latinos, African American males. I 270 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: mean in every one of those groups, they're now drifting 271 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: our away and away from him. It's a little bit 272 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: like what Jimmy Carter did for Ronald Reagan. Carter made 273 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: it much easier for Reagan to end up as president, 274 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: and Biden, I think, is shifting things in our direction. 275 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: I remember campaigning with you the last weekend and twenty 276 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: two and then frankly, I was amazed at your range 277 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: of connections. You're the most successful fundraiser at the House 278 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: level in the Republican Party's history. And you and I 279 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: have talked about before, but you do have this sort 280 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: of Ronald Reagan surfs up California optimism. It's who you are. 281 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: The one part I really love is you. And I 282 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 2: went to Jen Kiggins Virgin Beach the last night before 283 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: the election. Here. She is a former helicopter pilot husband 284 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 2: f eighteen. The core of what we had, the very 285 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: very competitive race to beat the Democrats down there, and 286 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 2: just that crowd and enthusiasm. We knew then we could 287 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: win the majority. But the challenge too is you know, 288 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: you had the Supreme Court decision, the lines are more competitive, 289 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 2: and we ended up winning in seats that Biden won 290 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 2: by more than ten points than in the seats that 291 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 2: were you would think would be a better chance for us. 292 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: The New York and California results were the majority maker 293 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: and nobody would have predicted them. 294 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: And the unique thing is putting a strategy there to 295 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: fund them when they didn't even think beating the chairman 296 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: Maloney ahead of the D Triple C. And it's not 297 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: just the head of the D Triple C. The constituents 298 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: in that district Storos and the Clintons think about that. 299 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm willing to take risk and areas others 300 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: can't if you have the right candidate. And Michae Lawler 301 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: is an amazing member. 302 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: I think what struck me was you had developed a 303 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: commitment to America. You had done it with your entire party. 304 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: I remember going to one of your retreats with your members, 305 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: and there was real commitment from the overwhelming majority of 306 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: your conference. I think, in a sense, you're a historic 307 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: anomaly because even in the moment which cost you the speakership, 308 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: you had ninety six percent of your conference with you. 309 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: I've thought about that from my own experience and thought, 310 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: you know, you can't get much above ninety six percent. 311 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: I would love to have a ninety six when I 312 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: went to school. But you know the thing, too, is 313 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: when I set back to all these other leaders, most 314 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: of them carry a ninety six and it just shows 315 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: a few can partner with the Democrats that can take over. 316 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 2: If you think of those first nine months, we've simply 317 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: walked through the commitment America. And I got to tell 318 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: you it's a compliment to you. I studied what you 319 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: did in the contract because you tell the American public 320 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 2: what you're going to do. They make a decision in 321 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: the election what they want to happen, and then you 322 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: carry it out. You know, when we sat there, we 323 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: have a border bill border security, we have make America 324 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 2: energy independent, we have a Parent's Bill of Rights, we 325 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: have an accountability project, welfare reform. I mean, so much 326 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: of this we were achieving that we gave the American public. 327 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: And the difficult part is what you see happening right 328 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: now is knocking us off the bases of what we 329 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: said and how we would govern. 330 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: What strikes me is that I felt like you had 331 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: done virtually everything right. You had grown a party, you 332 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: had broadened the party dramatically, You'd moved the party to 333 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: a more positive role. You very successfully outmaneuvered Joe Biden 334 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 1: on the dead ceiling and being substantial ground. And yet 335 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: you had eight people who preferred being kamikaze pilots to 336 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: being part of a winning team. And they're still there, 337 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: and I think they're still causing problems for Mike Johnson, 338 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 1: who's found out that a lot of these things are 339 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: a lot harder than I think they look from the outside. 340 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: I think history will look at it that way. I mean, 341 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 2: history will go back on one actual member that would sacrifice 342 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 2: the country for their own fear of not coming out 343 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 2: what his personal shortcomings and the illegal things that he 344 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 2: had done, that he would risk anything for that in 345 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: the long term. Look, if you're in politics, it's a 346 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: tough business. I have a good friend who was coach 347 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 2: of the Redskins, Ron Rivera known for a long time 348 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 2: when he coached down in the Carolina, and he lost 349 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 2: his job the other day, you know, and I call 350 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: him up and he said, you know, this is a 351 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 2: tough business I'm in. I said, I reflect the same 352 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,239 Speaker 2: way when you think about it. Our occupations. Sometimes we 353 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: play on a national stage where everybody gets to see 354 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 2: to win an election. On a given day, you know 355 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 2: exactly how many people like you and how many people 356 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 2: dislike you. On a football game, you know, whether you score, 357 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 2: whether you win. You've got to have faith to walk 358 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 2: up and carry the next day. And I've never said 359 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 2: being the member, of being a congressman is going to 360 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 2: define my life. I always have faith that, you know, 361 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: God has a different plan for me. At times it's 362 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: not the same plan I map out, But I think 363 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 2: he knows a little better than I do so. I 364 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: just know to give it your all, surpass expectations, and 365 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 2: there'll always be more opportunity for you. 366 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: You know, we're talking just a few days before Iowa. 367 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: What's your sense of the presidential race. 368 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 2: I really think the presidential race is pretty much over. 369 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 2: I think it's going to be decided by March fifteenth. 370 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 2: I look at this, I think Republicans have a better 371 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 2: chance to pick up seats in the House than they 372 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 2: did in the last two cycles. And it goes back 373 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: to the Jimmy Carter area. If Joe Biden stays nominee 374 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: for the Democrats, it's going to be a very good 375 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 2: night for Republicans. I think Biden's going to be the nominee. 376 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,479 Speaker 2: I think Donald Trump's going to be the nominee, and 377 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 2: just truth and advertising. I have endorsed President Trump, but 378 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: I also tell President Trump if he runs a campaign, 379 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: as very impressed by one of his answers this week 380 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: on Fox on a town hall, and so if it's 381 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 2: about renewing, restoring, and rebuilding America, that's a Ronald Reagan 382 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 2: presidential elections are inspirational, Okay, if you're the incumbent, it's 383 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 2: also a report card on you. But if it's about revenge, 384 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 2: it's going to be a tougher election for President Trump. 385 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 2: And you know, they asked him a question about revenge 386 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: and he says, you know, the greatest revenge is baking 387 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 2: this country successful. Love that answer. I love that that 388 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: was a good answer, and he needs to continue to 389 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 2: work towards that because we're too close between these two 390 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 2: presidencies that America could actually see. What does it mean 391 00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 2: when you have low gas prices? What does it mean 392 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 2: when there's not war in Europe? What does it mean 393 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: when North Korea is not testing missiles? What does it 394 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 2: mean when you didn't have to evacuate five embassies? What 395 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 2: does it mean when our border is secure? You know 396 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 2: the world is a different place, and you become more optimistic. 397 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 2: So I think we're going to have a very healthy 398 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: debate now that Chris Christy got out. New Hampshire could 399 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: be interesting. Look, I'm fortunate to be speaking to a 400 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 2: person who's been speaker but actually ran for president, and 401 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: you know, you came very close that there's times when 402 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: somebody else could have gotten out. You would have been 403 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 2: the nominee, right, And so I don't know what that 404 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 2: means for New Hampshire, but we sped everything up. Then 405 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: you go to South Carolina, then you've got Super Tuesday. 406 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: I think the nominees chosen by March fifteenth. 407 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: I don't see how they ever get Biden out of 408 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: the race. If you're sitting there and you got the 409 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: White House, you got Air Force one, you got Marine one, 410 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: you got Camp David, and the alternative is the bicycle 411 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: in Delaware. That seems to me that doctor Jill is 412 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: not going to say, oh, why don't we go home, Joe. 413 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: I think they're going to cling to it till the 414 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: last possible. And in that race, I agree with you. 415 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: It's very much like what happened with Carter and Reagan 416 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: and Honorately. I think comes down to you know, for example, 417 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: we've had eight million illegal immigrants across the border, so 418 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: you want another eight million. You know, you've had the 419 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: inflation right which went back up again today as you 420 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: and I are talking. You want more inflation on every front. 421 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: Biden is sort of closing off his future. 422 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 2: They become a little more elite where they don't get 423 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: out with the public. For them to think they don't 424 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: have a problem at the border. It is now becoming 425 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 2: equal to what the economy is, and they don't look 426 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,959 Speaker 2: at other elements. You know, there was a really powerful 427 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: testimony this week about its country western thing. It's called 428 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 2: Jelly Row and he's a big man, he's got tattoos 429 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: on his face, he can't vote, he's felony, and he's 430 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 2: there not as a Republican or Democrat. But he's there 431 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 2: because he said I was part of the problem. I 432 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: helped bring Finnel. You know, Finnel will kill almost two 433 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: hundred people today poison them. That's the equivalent of an 434 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: airliner crashing every day in America. The other element, you 435 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 2: look at the border. On one given month, like in 436 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 2: February last year, we had caught more people on the 437 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 2: Terrast watch list. And think how difficult that is to 438 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 2: get on the terrast watch list than the entire last administration. 439 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 2: The year before last, we had caught two people from 440 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 2: Yemen coming into California, not on the same day, but 441 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 2: you wonder, what do they have a planned and we 442 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: know what a handful of people the type of damage 443 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 2: they can do in America. But what just transpired last 444 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 2: night were when the Houthis was attacking our navy and 445 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 2: we responded, well, they know how to come in and 446 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 2: attack America. You don't need to attack the ships. You 447 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: just walk up through the southern border and create chaos. 448 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: When you learn that, for example, they just reduced the 449 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: number of questions you asked Chinese immigrants from sixty to five. 450 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: You basically have an Iranian Chinese government occupying the White House. 451 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: Where America comes in either the third or fourth. Somebody 452 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: said to me, it's not that they come in after 453 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 1: Iran in China. They come in after I ran China 454 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: and everybody else. And then to the Americans, we'll think 455 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: of this. 456 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 2: When Biden took office, Iran was only producing four hundred 457 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 2: thousand barrels a day. They're now up to three million. 458 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 2: That's billions of dollars. That's how Hezblaw gets funded. That's 459 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,479 Speaker 2: how the Huthis get funded. And that's where chaos and 460 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: terrorism comes from. And if you think and you study 461 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 2: of the world history, it looks a lot like the 462 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 2: nineteen thirties the axis of evil. Right, You've got Russia, China, Iran, 463 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: North Korea, all countries who want to span their sphere 464 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 2: of influence are bounding together. And this is where peace 465 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: without freedom is meaningless. This is where the Reagan philosophy 466 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 2: of America being strong makes the world safe that the 467 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 2: progressives don't understand. You can't attain peace without having freedom. 468 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do have to ask you one or two 469 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: other things in the pony tradition. I know almost the 470 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: minute you figure doubt that you couldn't really negotiate with 471 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: the eight people who I think, frankly were insane to 472 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: not be for you and to basically betray their party, 473 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: you immediately began thinking about a better future. And one 474 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 1: of the reasons I'm an optimist strategically, I tell people 475 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: all the time, if we can get through the next decade, 476 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: we're going to pull away dramatically. And part of the 477 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: reason for that is artificial intelligence and artificial general intelligence. 478 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: And I have to say you are probably the person 479 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 1: who most got me thinking about this seriously when you 480 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: brought the MIT professors down to brief members of con 481 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: tell us about both your future and you're thinking about 482 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: artificial intelligence. 483 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 2: I've been looking at an AI for quite some time. And 484 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 2: what's interesting, and you've had this benefit to having been 485 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 2: the speaker. Being part of the Gang of eight gives 486 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 2: you a different perspective, you get other knowledge that others 487 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 2: wouldn't have. But you know, MIT has taught a course 488 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 2: for AI and quantum to the generals in our milieitary 489 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: and the reason why other countries are trying to capture 490 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 2: it because whoever captures that first has an advantage. And 491 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 2: America's ability, especially after World War Two, was the technological 492 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,479 Speaker 2: advantage what America has had over all others when you 493 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 2: look into war, our technology is better, right, it keeps 494 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,199 Speaker 2: us safer, but you look at our economies and others. 495 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: And so I went to MIT long before I was speaker, 496 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 2: and I brought like ten members and I had them 497 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 2: develop a course for members themselves, because here we are 498 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 2: policy makers. And if you watch from the Industrial Revolution 499 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 2: to the Internet, government is slower to react. And if 500 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: you look on a macro scale, China wants to capture this, 501 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 2: but China is never going to let the private sector 502 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 2: really have it because of the fear of their communist 503 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 2: party that they would overthrow their government. Europe is going 504 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 2: to be Europe and they're going to overregulate it. So 505 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 2: America is going to be the wild West, and it's 506 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 2: going to grow here, and it's really going to help 507 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 2: us economically. And I think it's going to happen in 508 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,479 Speaker 2: California just from the mindset of what you're seeing. But 509 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 2: there's people who take AI and they're fearful of it. 510 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 2: It's like the kid in the room. The battery is 511 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 2: going to run out. Yeah, could someone use it for 512 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 2: something bad? Yet they could use anything else. But you 513 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,959 Speaker 2: also want to think of the potential. So I had 514 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 2: been bringing mit, Sam Altman and others. The only time 515 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 2: members of Congress get together without the press around or 516 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 2: anything else is when we'd get these top secret briefings 517 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 2: on a threat. So I started doing briefings on issues 518 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 2: like this and let people talking about it. And when 519 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: I saw that, I'm not going to stay in Congress. 520 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 2: There's not the role for me. But I'm going to 521 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 2: get out, but I'm going to still participate. AI is 522 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 2: one area I just think has the greatest potential. But 523 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 2: also what's going to happen here is the Internet started out, 524 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: it started doing everything, and then government finally found out, 525 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 2: hey wait a minute, and they start sewing Microsoft right, 526 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 2: it starts changing all. AI is moving so much faster 527 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: than anything the Internet has done. And the thing I 528 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: don't want to have happen here is that America becomes Europe. 529 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 2: I want to utilize it for the right things. I mean, 530 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: I think from the standpoint knowing government but also knowing 531 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 2: the potential of AI. How can I take that Reagan 532 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 2: aspect of freedom but also take the prosperity there. I mean, look, 533 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 2: a lot of people fear, oh they're going to take 534 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 2: certain jobs. Yeah, the cars took the horse buggy problem 535 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 2: away too, right, but they became so many more opportunities. 536 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 2: The grasp of AI. You know, I was just reading 537 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 2: this thing on it is an asot Raskin. He did 538 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 2: a podcast in Philosophically he's different than me, but he 539 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 2: has taken AI. Now we know what animals say to 540 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 2: one another because it charts it in a whole different matter. 541 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 2: We know what wells they're talking and the way they 542 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 2: put it together, the language when they do AI. It's 543 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 2: like a solar system. Now every speech pattern has like 544 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 2: a star to it. We don't even know the full 545 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 2: potential here, but I do know it will make government 546 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: more effective, more efficient, and more accountable to the public. 547 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 2: I know we could probably cure cancer faster. We could 548 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 2: make individual drugs for one, we can speed up the 549 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 2: process of testing because you have all this data. Now 550 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 2: the competition is going to be much different because the 551 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 2: way you do AI is there's a lot of data involved, 552 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 2: and because of the way America looks at personal freedom 553 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 2: and others, it's hard to gather all that, and China 554 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: has a bigger population they could put things. So we've 555 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 2: got to think differently when we do it. And I 556 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 2: want to make sure for the same way that Lincoln, 557 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 2: in some of the toughest times of our country can 558 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 2: build an intercontinental railway while he's trying to keep the 559 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 2: Civil War solved and create the Thirteenth Amendment. We've got 560 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 2: a lot of challenges out there, but that railway also 561 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 2: helped us prosper into a place much bigger, bringing people 562 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 2: together too. In the long run, AI can do that, 563 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: and if America leads it, it's not as fearful of 564 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: what the negative things of AI can do. You're looking 565 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 2: at more from a positive aspect. But I also see 566 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 2: a few companies that have been faster at it. Some 567 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 2: of them now look that they want to take government 568 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 2: to regulate it, so now they become a monopoly, which 569 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 2: I don't want to see. I want to see more competition, 570 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 2: so it continues to improve. When you look at our 571 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 2: debt crisis in America, it's hitting a wall, it's hitting 572 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 2: a wall. And when you look at healthcare, okay, which 573 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 2: is one of the largest drivers of where we spend 574 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 2: our money. We can no longer have this fee for service. 575 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 2: We've got to look at outcomes. And if you're looking 576 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 2: at outcomes, you're producing a better product. But AI can assist, 577 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 2: and for the first time, the policy makers should start 578 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 2: putting numerous pilot programs all through these states using Medicaid 579 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 2: and others. Right, and with you do AI, you can 580 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 2: do individual health care for individuals. And the thing I've 581 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 2: always found if you get a senior and they go 582 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: into four different doctors and they're taking all this different medication, 583 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 2: but no one's looking at all the medication itself that 584 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 2: is actually hurting them. Right, there's taking one pill that hurts, 585 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 2: the blood pressure pill that they're taking. Over here, we 586 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 2: can save the government money. We can provide a greater 587 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 2: health to the individual themselves. What if we cure diabetes, 588 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 2: what if we cure cancer? Right, think of that for 589 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 2: one minute. We've got these new wonder drugs. I don't 590 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 2: know if from Mozembic and others, can we model that 591 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 2: woul that actually be cheaper to look at an individual 592 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 2: today that can have diabetes in the future to provide 593 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 2: them a different life, a longer lifespan, and different care. 594 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 2: I don't know, but the capabilities of the study without 595 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 2: having to study seven years and have a thousand people 596 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 2: in that you can gather the data and have something quicker. 597 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 2: I just think it's tremendous. 598 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: I tell people that artificial intelligence and artificial general intelligence 599 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: are probably going to be as big as a combination 600 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: of chemistry, the internal combustion engine and electricity in eighteen seventy, 601 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: that we're going to be startled twenty thirty years from now, 602 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: and how many tools it gives us, how much it 603 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: improves and enhances our life, and how many more options 604 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: it gives us. I fully expect to see you because 605 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,239 Speaker 1: you can bridge having been in business and have been 606 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: in public life. You can really be one of the 607 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: pioneers at explaining to the rest of us what the 608 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: potential is. I'm going to go from the gigantic artificial 609 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: intelligence to an idea that you and I have been 610 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: kicking around, and that is the concept of a speaker's 611 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: bar in April. So I'm gonna let you do the 612 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: pitch because I haven't quite sold Calisto. 613 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: Okay, back in the day I ran a Delhi. You 614 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 2: live down in Florida now, and so what I thought? 615 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 2: And look, I can't thank you enough. You have been 616 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 2: a mentor to me. You have inspired so many. And 617 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 2: I was doing this interview with Financial Times and they said, well, 618 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 2: what do you want to say. Look, I don't want 619 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 2: people to be thinking government's negative. You can be a conservative. 620 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 2: I want you to get into help. I think public 621 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 2: service is positive. Right, You're not supposed to do it forever. 622 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 2: I don't want to be in there when I'm eighty 623 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: or something. But the other thing, too is what can 624 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 2: we inspire? So what if we've got a restaurant here, 625 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 2: so the food is great and the drinks are good. 626 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 2: We call it speakers. We come in and put the 627 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 2: different things that we have had during our speakers times, 628 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: and we can put it in there. People can see it. 629 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: But you and I can join once a month. We 630 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 2: can run your podcasts from there. We can bring different 631 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: people in, we can invite people to join the group. Right, 632 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 2: they could pay a nominal see and we'll bring different 633 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 2: speakers to start having discussion. Is it ai, what is 634 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 2: the foreign policy? What does the world look like? We 635 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 2: can bring in different world leaders and we can have 636 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 2: people engaging in this. And you know what, We'll bring 637 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 2: people in from the different parties and you and I 638 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 2: can debate and show the world that you don't have 639 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 2: to be angry at one another. The idea can win 640 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 2: at the end of the day. And at the same time, 641 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 2: you can both keep your same principles, but you can 642 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 2: foster a debate that is positive about what's happening in America. 643 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 2: Be a focal point. And you know what, if it 644 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 2: does well there, we could put different places across this country. 645 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 2: Because think of this. You could have been running a 646 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 2: zoo one day. You could have been a college professor, 647 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 2: you could have been in the military. Right, it's your 648 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 2: strategic mind. You're an author. There's so many things, but 649 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 2: you were willing to sacrifice and you made it all 650 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 2: the way to be speaker. There's only been fifty six 651 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 2: speakers in the history of America. Right, only in America 652 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 2: can that happen. I get turned down from an internship, 653 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 2: but you can make it up. I would love to 654 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 2: inspire other people to be a part I would love 655 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 2: people that, even though if they're not going to run 656 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 2: for office, to be that type of citizen. Though with 657 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 2: technology today, you can participate, right, you can help give 658 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 2: the idea. I've always liked the idea of bringing people 659 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 2: in from business into government for a year or two 660 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 2: kind of a peace corps to help us make government 661 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 2: more efficient and smaller. Right, utilize that. Why does Uber 662 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 2: get to select your driver rate all that? Why can't 663 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 2: the VA do the same thing for our veterans make 664 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 2: it easier and more efficient for them? And I want 665 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 2: to bring other minds to that and have other debates. 666 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 2: But what would be a better time. Someone could come 667 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 2: in and share a drink with you and have a debate, 668 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 2: and we'll bring other speakers in. 669 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: We could actually stream the conversations on Thursday nights. People 670 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: who want to just be part of learning. I mean, 671 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: I do think in essense we have this relationship in 672 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 1: part because we're probably two of the most idea oriented 673 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: people ever to be speaker, and that it isn't just 674 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: about the power, but it's the solving problems and the 675 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: learning and all that. Both of us get excited by 676 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So maybe we can set up 677 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: a little link or a place at the Englishry sixty 678 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: called speakers for people who want to write in and 679 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: say they'd like to know more about it. Follow the 680 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: progress as we meander our way down the road. This 681 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: thing may actually evolve. And I think the way you're 682 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: framing it, it actually becomes an extension of our public 683 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: service and a place that has both good food and 684 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: good drink, but also has really good ideas. That's kind 685 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: of fun. 686 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 2: The other thing too. The food will be great, the 687 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,720 Speaker 2: drinks will be great. You'll get a drink at two eighteen. 688 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 2: The only drink in the place that won't taste good 689 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,439 Speaker 2: would be the motion to vacate drink. 690 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: There we go. I like that that's not bad. 691 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 2: It'll make you sick, yeah. 692 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 1: And I won't suggest because it'll be too petty what 693 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: we might name that drink, and the person that could 694 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,760 Speaker 1: be named for that would be petty doesn't as always, 695 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: And I hope people who have listened to this have 696 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: some sense of both how much affection we have for 697 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: each other and how much fun we have talking about ideas. 698 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: I really want to thank you for doing this, and 699 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: I think it's great fun and I'm frankly looking forward 700 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: to spending some time with ideas and with you. And 701 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: I think probably between us we can get some pretty 702 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: interesting people to come and chat with us on Thursday evenings. 703 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 2: I think so too. And if anybody's listening, want to 704 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 2: be investors in it. Look, we're entrepreneurs, we're capitalists, will 705 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,320 Speaker 2: make it all happen. 706 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: That's right. It's all at Ginger three sixty and we 707 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: want you to feel free and thank you a lot 708 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 1: for joining today. 709 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 2: Thank you, speaker, appreciate you. 710 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest and close personal friend, Speaker 711 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: of the House, Kevin McCarthy. 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