Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukleman. This is a production of
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Speaker 2: Josh, Yes, what about Jeremiah Johnson? Okay, so.
Speaker 3: Last week I apparently slowed down just enough for COVID
Speaker 3: to catch up with me. I have been running hard
Speaker 3: for three and a half years and have managed to
Speaker 3: dodge it. And for the very first time ever, I
Speaker 3: get COVID and I'm laying in bed feeling terrible, and
Speaker 3: I thought I was I was actually scrolling through one
Speaker 3: of my movie streaming services. I don't remember which one
Speaker 3: it was, and lo and behold what pops up Jeremiah Johnson.
Speaker 3: And I thought I need a little pick me up,
Speaker 3: so I just I kicked that bad boy on and
Speaker 3: you know, he rolls off the river boat there, and
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, this is just gonna be awesome.
Speaker 4: You've never seen that.
Speaker 3: I've never seen it, you know, fighting bear. I'm sure
Speaker 3: there's gonna be bear fights. I'm sure there's gonna be
Speaker 3: shooting game, you know. I'm just really looking forward it.
Speaker 3: Having been a kid who grew up on the Wilderness family, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean those were like the greatest movies ever when
Speaker 3: I was a kid. I've seen that thing a hundred times.
Speaker 3: So and then a few minutes later, Christy comes in,
Speaker 3: lays down and she she's Sart's watching watching it, and
Speaker 3: she's like, no, no, what's going on? What's going on?
Speaker 3: So I kind of give her a quick rundown and
Speaker 3: she starts watching it with me. Talk about an emotional
Speaker 3: roller coaster.
Speaker 2: That's a tovey spoiler. Is everybody in here seen it?
Speaker 5: I don't even know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Johnson the movie?
Speaker 5: Ever seen it? Oh?
Speaker 1: You're? I thought it's considered one of the American greats.
Speaker 2: You are. It's Robert Redford is a frontier.
Speaker 6: Josh's Mississippi in education, we're always just one step ahead
Speaker 6: of Mississippi.
Speaker 2: But so Josh has finally seen the movie and you
Speaker 2: had I was.
Speaker 1: What what stood out to you the most significant thing
Speaker 1: about the movie.
Speaker 4: We are about to spoil this movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the movie was made in nineteen seventy four, okay,
Speaker 1: or whenever it was made.
Speaker 5: I didn't.
Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be like again, having
Speaker 3: been raised on the Wilderness family, I thought it was
Speaker 3: going to be a great you know there. Surely there
Speaker 3: had to be something redeeming in the end. And in
Speaker 3: the end, the redeeming thing was the hand up by
Speaker 3: the lone Indian there and he waves back.
Speaker 2: But the the death and destruction.
Speaker 1: Man, it was a lot of death instruction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I didn't see the until you know,
Speaker 3: he gets the look on his face when he's in
Speaker 3: the burial ground like, oh my god, they're going to
Speaker 3: kill his wife.
Speaker 2: He knew what was coming. And yeah, well but it
Speaker 2: was a great movie.
Speaker 4: Very well done nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 3: I have to be honest and say I did have
Speaker 3: to turn on the subtitles a couple of times just
Speaker 3: to catch everything that was said.
Speaker 1: Oh really really yeah. So Will Primos. Will Primos, who
Speaker 1: was on this episode of the Mississippi River Bear Grease,
Speaker 1: is a big, big Jeremiah Johnson movie buff. He has
Speaker 1: in his office. He has some original photography from the
Speaker 1: set like nobody else has, and he I got big
Speaker 1: time Jeremiah.
Speaker 2: This is for This is for Robert Redford and that beard.
Speaker 4: It's a good beard.
Speaker 2: That's a good beard.
Speaker 4: Makes a meme to send to people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome to.
Speaker 1: The Welcome to the Bender everybody, if if you are
Speaker 1: new to the bear Grease universe. The Bear Grease Render
Speaker 1: is where we talk about the actual bear Grease podcast,
Speaker 1: which is our documentary style podcast. This week we had
Speaker 1: a very what I thought was what I loved the episode.
Speaker 1: I learned so much about the Mississippi River. So we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about that. But before that, we have
Speaker 1: we have some very special guests this week on the
Speaker 1: Bear Grease Render. To my right, we have Josh Landbridge, spilmmaker,
Speaker 1: old faithful fly fishing, extraordinary mustache case somebody hasn't has
Speaker 1: just been on another planet Josh's Josh's nickname land Bridge
Speaker 1: came about circa two thousand and eight when one day
Speaker 1: at a meeting at our church I looked at Josh
Speaker 1: and his mustache inspired me to read a book on
Speaker 1: the baring land Bridge. This is not a joke. I
Speaker 1: mean for real, I'm literally talking to the guy and
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this huge mustache that spanned the right
Speaker 1: cheek to the.
Speaker 5: Left cheek of his face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like Alaska and Russia. And I was
Speaker 1: like impressed, I said, I said, I know nothing about
Speaker 1: the baring Land Bridge. And I went and bought a
Speaker 1: book that's up here called Barringia. And so Josh to
Speaker 1: Josh's right, Our dear friend, longtime friend, Arrell Spence Spencer.
Speaker 5: Could I change the Spence for thal Wag.
Speaker 1: Ooh, that's a good name. Yeah, that's a good name,
Speaker 1: Terrell thal Wag Spencer at the bottom Wag means the
Speaker 1: bottom of the river. Spence is our local pastured poultry
Speaker 1: man across the Creek farms.
Speaker 2: Good to have you.
Speaker 1: Spence has been on here several times. He's been a
Speaker 1: featured guest on the Bear Grease podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, unlike some of us.
Speaker 1: Unlike some of us. Yeah, we're gonna skip over the
Speaker 1: mystery guests and go to Brent Reeves his country Life
Speaker 1: Good to see you, brother, good to be How you
Speaker 1: doing good?
Speaker 5: And great podcast?
Speaker 1: How's this country Life?
Speaker 2: Good man?
Speaker 1: Rocking and rolling?
Speaker 2: It's just it gets.
Speaker 1: Better and better, keeps getting better and better. Yeah, Hey,
Speaker 1: Brent Reeves is an incredible writer. You might not know it,
Speaker 1: but the writing like this the This Country Life podcast,
Speaker 1: which is also on this bear Grease feed. If you're
Speaker 1: paying attention, you know this. If you're not, you do
Speaker 1: now if you're paying attention now. But so, Brent has
Speaker 1: a podcast that comes out every Friday on the bear
Speaker 1: Grease Feed. It's about twenty thirty minutes long. And this
Speaker 1: would be something that he would write out. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't really sense that when you're listening. It just
Speaker 1: sounds like a story, but it's actually written out and.
Speaker 5: Something that's not fantastic.
Speaker 2: It's really really.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't think you were that interested in like watermelons.
Speaker 2: I thought that Watermelon podcast was fan fantastic.
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you, Josh. Yeah, it's actually been my favorite
Speaker 6: one so far.
Speaker 2: I honestly, it's in the in the running for me.
Speaker 1: It's it's in what it is when you get down
Speaker 1: to the granular nature of it really is is excellent writing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Brett, do you want.
Speaker 1: To tell him how the Watermelon podcast came about?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: You and I were coming back from matter of fact,
Speaker 6: what we're talking about right.
Speaker 1: Now, Mississippi River.
Speaker 2: Yeah, episode we went down there with talk to doctor David.
Speaker 2: You have to say pronounce it last.
Speaker 6: Night, Yeah, Biden Horn and we were on the way
Speaker 6: back and we just started talking about you know what,
Speaker 6: what's what's the next podcast going to be about?
Speaker 2: We started kicking ideas around. He said, you know what
Speaker 2: you ought to do?
Speaker 5: Watermelons?
Speaker 2: And he said it is he said, he said, I
Speaker 2: don't care what you do, but I'm want this included
Speaker 2: in it. I said, all right, what's that?
Speaker 6: He said, I, Clay Nukem, have vowed to myself to
Speaker 6: eat a watermelon every day of watermelons.
Speaker 1: Just to clarify, it's not a whole watermelon, some watermelon,
Speaker 1: it's some water No. Really, we were deep in the
Speaker 1: heart of watermelon country. I bought a watermelon this week
Speaker 1: at in Arkansas that was grown in Mississippi. What Yeah,
Speaker 1: it had grown in Mississippi on it. We're deep in
Speaker 1: the in the heartland of watermelon country. And I just
Speaker 1: I just said, Brent, I really want to hear you
Speaker 1: talk about watermelons.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's what he did.
Speaker 4: He was, great, you might have heard of the whole
Speaker 4: thirty Yeah, and you know, we're like, you do this
Speaker 4: horrible restrictive diet for thirty days, bringe your family's lives
Speaker 4: and in the hopes of like like cleansing your body
Speaker 4: from whatever. Anyway, Yeah, it might bring some out. But
Speaker 4: Clay does a He does a watermelon thirty.
Speaker 1: Watermelon sixty from first to August thirtieth.
Speaker 4: And when he's doing the watermelon thirty.
Speaker 1: Don't look like this. On accident, the kids and I have.
Speaker 4: Committed to doing an ice cream where we ice cream
Speaker 4: all thirty days of during this there's a parallel. Water
Speaker 4: thirty is ice cream thirty.
Speaker 1: So to Brince, we're still intro Oh, I got I
Speaker 1: got to speed it up here we're deep to Brin's right,
Speaker 1: my lovely wife, mistery Newkelem. Great to have you, doctor.
Speaker 4: Nukelem, Thank you so good to be here. Thank you
Speaker 4: for that formal introduction.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but our mystery guest is Ryan flint Face.
Speaker 2: Yeah I know.
Speaker 1: Hey, if you've been paying attention to Bear Hunting magazine
Speaker 1: stuff that I've done in the last decade, Ryan Greb
Speaker 1: is one of my dear friends from for a long time.
Speaker 1: We've been buddies, and Ryan is man to describe. Okay,
Speaker 1: first of all, flint Face. The first time I saw
Speaker 1: a picture of Ryan, it was on the Arkansas Game
Speaker 1: and Fish website and they just randomly selected his photo
Speaker 1: of a bear Heed killed to be on the page.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 5: And I on accident, I was like, no, I don't
Speaker 5: want to be the face of.
Speaker 1: The So yeah, he was the face of the game
Speaker 1: Fish bear page. And it was this beautiful photo, this
Speaker 1: huge bear, and he just had a face like Flint,
Speaker 1: I mean, like Wooden crack a smile and for every
Speaker 1: picture I've got him to smile since then. But Ryan
Speaker 1: doesn't do much smiling in the photos. But Ryan, I
Speaker 1: told Bear this the other day, there's not many people
Speaker 1: in this state that are better outdoorsman than Ryan Grebb.
Speaker 1: I mean, you want to talk deer hunting, you want
Speaker 1: to talk bear hunting, you want to talk track fishing,
Speaker 1: you want to talk turkey hunting, you want to talk
Speaker 1: food plots, you want to talk anything. This guy is
Speaker 1: subject Yeah, yeah, no, okay, I gotta keep going with Ryan, though.
Speaker 1: I still stand by this and somebody, if somebody proves
Speaker 1: me wrong, that's great. I like to throw out big
Speaker 1: stats and then if somebody can prove me wrong, then
Speaker 1: that's great. I think Ryan Greb has killed more bear
Speaker 1: per weight than anybody and that's alive in Arkansas today.
Speaker 5: What mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, Like Ryan has killed more bare pounds pounds per pounds,
Speaker 1: per pounds of bear. He's killed more pounds per person,
Speaker 1: pounds of per person kill. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of guys that have killed big bears, and and certainly
Speaker 1: some incredible bear hunters that have killed like you know,
Speaker 1: they've killed like two five hundred pound bears, and then
Speaker 1: and then you know some three hundred's and this and
Speaker 1: this and this Ryan is killed. I mean, we don't
Speaker 1: have to get into the details, but lots of for
Speaker 1: twenty five years, he's killed big against.
Speaker 5: I've laid off of them the last three four or
Speaker 5: five years, so I'm sure somebody give them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well you were, you were hunting bears
Speaker 1: in the glory years of the Arkansas bear days. Though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you're baiting bears, it gets harder and harder. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty solidified on that statement. I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: you can't kill a big bear in Arkansas anymore. People
Speaker 1: do every year. But the first ten twelve years when
Speaker 1: we could bait bears, it was you.
Speaker 2: We was a learning curve all them.
Speaker 1: Now every bear, every bear that's alive, has their whole
Speaker 1: life been been under some baiting sea.
Speaker 5: It was easy first five, six, seven years, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but now you've got generations of bears that is born
Speaker 5: and raised into the baiting game. And yeah, it's a
Speaker 5: different bear now, yes, and just more people out your
Speaker 5: average bears. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Hey, I want you to tell us the story of
Speaker 1: when that cub you told this to river and bear
Speaker 1: the other day. I don't want to spoil the story,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I'd actually had forgotten about that. Sitting in
Speaker 5: the tree middle of the day, I'd sitting all day
Speaker 5: bear hunting, Yes, and it was hot, you know, NAT's
Speaker 5: biting you ninety degrees, and I just looked down the
Speaker 5: hill and I see bear coming. Here comes another one
Speaker 5: as I, oh, it's a sal. One ends up being triplets,
Speaker 5: you know, so three cubs they come up there and
Speaker 5: feet around, you know, do their moaning and squalling. And
Speaker 5: I think I'd kind of forgotten about this till they
Speaker 5: brought it up the other day. I think the sal
Speaker 5: winded me went to popping her jaws, and one cub
Speaker 5: took off running and ran right to my tree, scurried
Speaker 5: right up past me and got even with me, and
Speaker 5: I scared it and it ran out on the end
Speaker 5: of this limb. He just got way out there to
Speaker 5: where he couldn't hold no more, and he was trying
Speaker 5: and trying and trying. He fell off, hit so hard
Speaker 5: he bounced like a basketball, knocked him silly. He took off,
Speaker 5: running towards his mom and SIB and ran head on
Speaker 5: into an oak tree and not silly again, and laid
Speaker 5: there like it just like he just killed himself. But
Speaker 5: he gathered his thoughts and off he went.
Speaker 1: Survival of you and you were probably twenty plus.
Speaker 5: I was probably twenty two twenty three feet up.
Speaker 1: So the cub runs up the tree, sees you like
Speaker 1: you could have like poked it down the balls, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it runs out on the limb, falls out of
Speaker 1: the tree, bounces like a basketball from a twenty two
Speaker 1: to twenty three foot fall. Yes, sir been sprints towards
Speaker 1: his mom and t bones and oak tree like.
Speaker 5: He'd never seen the tree.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 5: He just says, yeah, and he hit it hard. Wow,
Speaker 5: And like I say, he just knocked him for a loop.
Speaker 5: He had together his thoughts and off he went. And
Speaker 5: I was like, well, that was my fun for the afternoon,
Speaker 5: was Yeah.
Speaker 1: What's the biggest bear you've killed Darkansas? Well anywhere, but
Speaker 1: I think Dancer will.
Speaker 5: Be in five Was it five oweight or that's a bear? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I shot one the next year. The five O eight
Speaker 5: I didn't think was all that big when I shot it.
Speaker 5: The next year, I'm talking a true monster come in
Speaker 5: and I was like, if this bear ain't six hundred pounds,
Speaker 5: you know? And I had a ten twelve yards thought.
Speaker 5: I made a perfect shot and never found the bear,
Speaker 5: And I would love to go back in time to
Speaker 5: that day to do.
Speaker 2: All over it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably shot it too low.
Speaker 5: I think I hit it too far forward, is what
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 2: Too far forward, too far forward?
Speaker 5: Yeah, How big do bears get in Arkansas? Oklahoma?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 5: What would be the record?
Speaker 1: I mean there? Unfortunately, there's no weight record keeping systems
Speaker 1: because it's too arbitrary in terms of having certified scales
Speaker 1: and gutted weight versus live weight, so that that's not
Speaker 1: the way people measure them. But I have heard of
Speaker 1: a six hundred and fifty pound bear that I think
Speaker 1: was legitimate. Have you heard of any bigger than Arkansas?
Speaker 5: No? I haven't, So this was up there that it was.
Speaker 5: It had a you know. It had the frame monsters
Speaker 5: pigeon toad, big blockhead, but its belly was pretty much
Speaker 5: dragging the ground. He literally there was a fence force
Speaker 5: fence and the bottom strands was broke, and I can't
Speaker 5: remember there's one strand or two strands above it. He
Speaker 5: got down on his elbows and pulled himself under, not
Speaker 5: with his front feet, with his elbows when he come
Speaker 5: onto the property.
Speaker 2: That's three and half four feet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it was a monster, a true monster. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They can for sure, way over six hundred here, you know,
Speaker 1: but it's it's being abnormal though it would be abnormal, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure. But they make them that big now, they
Speaker 1: make them that big they do. What do you have
Speaker 1: any what's your most memorable bear hunt?
Speaker 7: Ryan?
Speaker 5: Probably the booner I killed up here in Zone one
Speaker 5: on a buddy's place by the had the old rock fireplace,
Speaker 5: some beautiful pictures. Yeah, that was. I never even got
Speaker 5: in the tree. Just as I was sneaking into the bait,
Speaker 5: I seen him making his way up to the bait.
Speaker 5: I lost sight of him and I was like, well
Speaker 5: to back out of here.
Speaker 1: He went in there at like one o'clock.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I kept getting pictures of this bear. He
Speaker 5: never would come at night. He always showed up in
Speaker 5: the day, like every hour of the day, except I
Speaker 5: noticed from one o'clock to two o'clock I wouldn't get
Speaker 5: no pictures of him. I was like, that's when I
Speaker 5: need to ease in. Well, as I'm easing in there,
Speaker 5: I'm forty yards from the bait site my stand and
Speaker 5: I see him come up out of the woods to
Speaker 5: the bait. But there's so much foliage I couldn't, you know,
Speaker 5: lost sight of him. So I thought, should I back out,
Speaker 5: go to the top of the hill, give him half hour,
Speaker 5: ease back down here, see if he's left. But I'm like,
Speaker 5: I'm practically in bowl range as it is, the wind
Speaker 5: is right. I want to see if I can ease
Speaker 5: up and get a shot at him. So I took
Speaker 5: my boots off just sot feet, eased up there, eased
Speaker 5: up there, got within about twelve yards and I couldn't
Speaker 5: see him, but I could hear him. I could hear
Speaker 5: him smacking. Yeah, there was golden rod, you know, the
Speaker 5: yellow flowers, and he was behind that that was blocking
Speaker 5: my view. And I spotted him at twelve yards but
Speaker 5: he's laying down, so I eased up here a little closer,
Speaker 5: and there's one window between these golden rods. I thought,
Speaker 5: if he will turn, I can slip an arrow through
Speaker 5: that little four inch window. And the bear never got up.
Speaker 5: He pulled himself around and while he's laying on the
Speaker 5: ground and reached in the hole in the barrel to
Speaker 5: grab more bait out. And when he did, put one
Speaker 5: right behind his armpit.
Speaker 1: It was that bear weighed three No, it was four
Speaker 1: four twenty something, yeah, and he had a but he
Speaker 1: had an over twenty inch skull.
Speaker 5: Twenty you scored a twenty and five.
Speaker 1: Twenty five sixteenth or something, which is over the Boone
Speaker 1: crocket minimum.
Speaker 2: That's a horse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what's wild about all these bears? You can
Speaker 1: kill a five hundred pound bear that doesn't make Boone
Speaker 1: crock Yeah. The biggest bear that I ever killed Boone
Speaker 1: Crockett score weighed three fifty five or something interesting. And
Speaker 1: then the biggest weight bear that have ever were killed
Speaker 1: for weighed five point fifty. Did not make Boone Crockett.
Speaker 2: Batman didn't make Bonnacrost.
Speaker 1: He did not make Boone Crockett. So is it just
Speaker 1: a frame well, that they're measuring the skull. So for
Speaker 1: a bear, you measure the length and width of the skull.
Speaker 1: So part of it is genetic, just like I might
Speaker 1: have a bigger head than you, even though you're taller
Speaker 1: than me.
Speaker 2: That's not if you do have a big I.
Speaker 1: Have a big head, saying yeah, it's kind of like that,
Speaker 1: and then a I still really haven't decided. I have
Speaker 1: never talked to anybody that gave me a convintion biologist,
Speaker 1: anybody in the country that has given me a legitimately
Speaker 1: scientific answer of whether a bear adds mass to his
Speaker 1: skull with age. Do you understand because people have that idea, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's a twenty year old bear, he's going to be
Speaker 1: boone Crockett. Not necessarily because if he was a smaller
Speaker 1: skulled bear or an average skulled bear. But but there's
Speaker 1: an idea that their skulls get bigger or widen or
Speaker 1: thicken with time. And I've yet to find a biologists
Speaker 1: and including some really top level guys, that have been
Speaker 1: able to tell me whether bear really his skull gets bigger.
Speaker 1: But hey, on one, maybe not the last. Maybe just
Speaker 1: to start another story with Ryan, the kids told me.
Speaker 1: Y'all talked about this the other day. Ryan took our
Speaker 1: kids Neodland this week while I was in Montana. That's
Speaker 1: pretty awesome, right, was taking my kids fishing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll just say I think it's the coolest thing
Speaker 4: because our kids, they've they've gone with Ryan and Clay
Speaker 4: since they were little. I'm trying to think about the
Speaker 4: first time River went.
Speaker 2: She was she's probably twelve, a little.
Speaker 4: Dainty thing at that time.
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 4: Twelve, okay, And I'd actually never heard of Nudland before.
Speaker 4: And I would tell people, Yeah, River's going Neodland, and
Speaker 4: they would all look at me and be like, River's
Speaker 4: going Newland this afternoon. I said yeah, and so people
Speaker 4: kept You know, I learned a lot by watching people's
Speaker 4: faces and how they respond to stuff. So I came
Speaker 4: home and they were getting in the car.
Speaker 1: To let on if anything's abnormal, like we're going rattlesnake hunting,
Speaker 1: we'll see you later.
Speaker 4: I just gotta trust Clay. So they they're getting in
Speaker 4: the car. I come home from work and they're getting
Speaker 4: the car and I said, hey, they're literally pulling out backwards.
Speaker 4: I said, hey, this is safe, isn't it? Because people
Speaker 4: just kept going rivers, going are you concerned? No, Ryan
Speaker 4: was there. Clay looked at me and this is I
Speaker 4: promise this he's He hits the car in reverse. They're
Speaker 4: starting to pull off, and he goes, hey, we'll see you.
Speaker 4: And I was like, well, I can't. I mean, truly,
Speaker 4: you wouldn't put our daughter in danger.
Speaker 2: But he had.
Speaker 4: I mean, our Daughter's been in the er off the
Speaker 4: back of Klay's mules, I mean a lot. So I
Speaker 4: don't know if I should be trusting that ship has
Speaker 4: sailed now, But at that time, when she was twelve,
Speaker 4: I trusted him.
Speaker 1: Hey, the most dangerous thing about uh Neoglan in the
Speaker 1: in the warm weather is probably flesh eating amoeba's in
Speaker 1: the water.
Speaker 5: Don't I think about that from time to town? You know,
Speaker 5: one of these days you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, there's there's I remember one year we went
Speaker 1: and somebody had like maybe died.
Speaker 5: Yeah they usually do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, from just being in that nasty water. It
Speaker 1: wasn't in this water system we were in, but it
Speaker 1: was like kind of in the realm of where we're at.
Speaker 4: I hate this story, and.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like what you do?
Speaker 4: You just say yeah and pull back in reverse that.
Speaker 1: And then Ryan and his buddies have their big time noodlers.
Speaker 4: And now our kids just kind of bypassed Clay and
Speaker 4: call right. I don't even care if in town.
Speaker 5: Called me and said, hey, you got to get my
Speaker 5: kids out of the house, rivers watching the Kardashian get
Speaker 5: them involved than something.
Speaker 1: I got your Clay, I got you.
Speaker 5: They had it.
Speaker 1: They had a great time though. Now we've had a
Speaker 1: lot of fun over the years. And you know, y'all
Speaker 1: rarely keep a fish. No, I mean, like hardly ever
Speaker 1: catch so many fish and rarely keep a fish. When
Speaker 1: the new coms going Newland, we keep we have we
Speaker 1: don't keep them all, but we usually keep one big
Speaker 1: flatthead a year that will have a big fish fry,
Speaker 1: well multiple fish fries, and uh so, anyway, we like
Speaker 1: some flathead.
Speaker 5: When I talked to Clay yesterday is like, I'm sure
Speaker 5: there's no flathead left and you're probably just gnawing on
Speaker 5: the head the spine or something like that.
Speaker 1: So the story that I want Ryan to tell us
Speaker 1: to tell came because the kids reminded me of it.
Speaker 1: But when we were in Canada and the first trip
Speaker 1: that I ever did for Bear Hunting magazine, which kind
Speaker 1: of marked like an era of my life when I
Speaker 1: started traveling and hunting, and for about a decade I
Speaker 1: prioritized bear hunting over all other types of hunting and
Speaker 1: was traveling all over hunting. Just it was an incredible time.
Speaker 1: That first year I had Bear Hunting magazine, I got
Speaker 1: the opportunity to go to Ontario, Canada in the fall,
Speaker 1: and we put it together pretty quick and Ryan was
Speaker 1: ready to go. I called Ryan and he was like,
Speaker 1: let's go. And whose bear was it that you? Almost?
Speaker 2: Do?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about. I don't want to
Speaker 1: give away the spoiler. We were loading a bear on
Speaker 1: the four wheeler? Was it my bear? Okay? Well, we
Speaker 1: go with this outfitter and we weren't incredibly impressed at first,
Speaker 1: just by the looks of where we were at. It
Speaker 1: was kind of a do it yourself deal. They gave
Speaker 1: you a camper and some bear bait and had some
Speaker 1: places set up and just were kind of like you're
Speaker 1: on your own, which we knew that, so we were happy,
Speaker 1: very happy about that. But we hunted for two or
Speaker 1: three days and just hadn't seen much. And finally on
Speaker 1: the third day they didn't have cameras out or anything.
Speaker 1: And on the third day, I kill a giant bear.
Speaker 1: I mean just a giant, one of the biggest bears
Speaker 1: I've ever killed.
Speaker 5: It was a whopper.
Speaker 1: We weren't able to weigh it, but we were shocked,
Speaker 1: and I killed it with my trad bow and right
Speaker 1: and I were kind of thinking we were going to
Speaker 1: go home skunk and so easily four hundred plus.
Speaker 2: Well, we did wet four.
Speaker 5: Two or something, right.
Speaker 1: We did wet, yeah, four thirty seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Cautious about weights. I was thinking we didn't wet on
Speaker 1: the hoof, Yeah, guts and all.
Speaker 5: It had the biggest front pads of any bear I've
Speaker 5: ever seen. I mean it was huge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it did not score Boon and Crockett it
Speaker 1: it green scored before drying twenty and one sixteenth and
Speaker 1: dried under twenty.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: But it was a great bear. Nine years old.
Speaker 4: It's twenty of them.
Speaker 1: Twenty is the boonekrouckt minimum twenty one is the all time. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's a complicated story, but we're loading this bear up
Speaker 1: on a four wheeler four hundred. We'd gutted it by now,
Speaker 1: so it weighed less than that we're putting it on
Speaker 1: the rack of a four wheeler. And what happened.
Speaker 5: Y'all were on the ground gonna lift. I got up
Speaker 5: on top of the four wheeler, which is four wheeler
Speaker 5: had like a bed on the back of it, a rack. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I was gonna pull as they were gonna lift. Well,
Speaker 5: this bear weighed four hundred something pounds. You think, well,
Speaker 5: it's gonna be a struggle. Well, when it was one, two, three,
Speaker 5: I pulled, they lifted. Will that come up way too fast?
Speaker 5: I had one foot in the bed of that four
Speaker 5: wheeler and they put that bear up on my leg
Speaker 5: and pushed me off the four wheeler. Well, everything went
Speaker 5: off the four wheeler except my.
Speaker 1: Is on the rack, up against the rack. The bear
Speaker 1: comes over the top and pins his foot on the rack,
Speaker 1: and Ryan falls off the four wheeler.
Speaker 5: No, it had a like a bed, like a six
Speaker 5: inch Yeah, I thought it did.
Speaker 1: Man, Hey, when I saw it happen, I still cringe
Speaker 1: when I think about it, because I thought our trip
Speaker 1: to Canada is about to get really weird because we're
Speaker 1: going to be and Ryan's broke. I mean, I didn't
Speaker 1: know how it would be physically possible for because his
Speaker 1: foot never moved and his body is on the ground.
Speaker 1: I still, to this day don't know how it didn't break.
Speaker 5: You still don't have I've got an ankle bone here.
Speaker 4: Hold on, let's see.
Speaker 1: Let's see that.
Speaker 5: There's an ankle bone here, not one there shifted over?
Speaker 4: Does it feel funny?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Can you see in the dark? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was bad. It was gonna be bad.
Speaker 1: And he just kind of bounces up and just kind
Speaker 1: of like lamps around for a minute, and he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, we're good man.
Speaker 2: You know why I don't smile.
Speaker 5: That's when I was like, yeah, I was like at
Speaker 5: the threshold of something was fixed to shatter.
Speaker 1: All right, well, Mississippi River Podcast. You guys don't know it,
Speaker 1: but there's a quiz we're gonna so we just we
Speaker 1: just started a three part series, Mississippi River. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a significant series. Let me let me start off
Speaker 1: by saying, this is one of the hardest series that
Speaker 1: I've ever done, because everybody, well, first of all, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna tell a story about the Mississippi River, like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Like, it's not like David
Speaker 1: Crockett or or something really specific there's there's always you know,
Speaker 1: with that, there's this definitive data that you have. The
Speaker 1: Mississippi River is just a big story. And I just
Speaker 1: knew there was kind of a hole in my understanding
Speaker 1: of this country by not knowing a lot about the
Speaker 1: Mississippi River. So I started going to experts, and I
Speaker 1: knew there were certain categories of interest that I had
Speaker 1: which I wanted to know about the natural system of
Speaker 1: the river, just as it stands as a natural feature,
Speaker 1: like the Rocky Mountains, the Mississippi River, the Pacific Ocean,
Speaker 1: you know. So I wanted to understand the dynamics of
Speaker 1: the river. Number one. Number two, I wanted to understand
Speaker 1: the culture, how that river has influenced culture, particularly on
Speaker 1: the lower Mississippi. That's that's where most of my interests lay.
Speaker 1: And so I knew knew I needed to talk to people.
Speaker 1: I also wanted to learn about the fishery of the
Speaker 1: Mississippi River, like I'm interested in the wildlife and the fisheries.
Speaker 1: And so I started going to all these different people,
Speaker 1: and everybody was so knowledgeable about their one little section
Speaker 1: that it was sometimes hard to get a picture as
Speaker 1: big as I needed to get and John Berry. Oh man,
Speaker 1: Now he he was the man. There's probably not been
Speaker 1: a guest on Bear Grease that would be as I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a he's a big time writer that has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with hunting per se. And so Misty went
Speaker 1: with me to we went to Washington, d C. To
Speaker 1: interview John Barry for an hour and that book. Steve
Speaker 1: Ranella is the one who told me when I said, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm going to interview John Barry author Rising Tide, Renella
Speaker 1: was like, hey, when you look at like top ten
Speaker 1: lists of American nonfiction, he said, Rising Tides always there.
Speaker 1: He's like, that's like a incredible book of So having
Speaker 1: John Barry on was really interesting. He's a really interesting guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I said that to say I kept that excluding
Speaker 1: John Barry, who had this kind of very general, like
Speaker 1: big knowledge, Like I just kept going to different people,
Speaker 1: different people, different people. I think I interviewed seven different people,
Speaker 1: like full interviews, like hour and a half plus interviews,
Speaker 1: and then and building building the series. So it's been
Speaker 1: a lot of fun and it's it's it's pretty tough,
Speaker 1: but I want to you know what my labor. I
Speaker 1: want to see if it was in vain or not.
Speaker 1: I want to know if you guys are even paying attention,
Speaker 1: because I'm not sure if you were or not. This
Speaker 1: will be the the third quiz that we've done.
Speaker 6: Josh, hold on, No, you hold on, Jack, You're the
Speaker 6: cheat who can't count.
Speaker 2: The on the podcast.
Speaker 3: On the last render, you were like, Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 3: do a quiz on never did it?
Speaker 4: Well, we actually did a quiz for Clay on Coleria
Speaker 4: that what was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna do a quiz. We were going to
Speaker 1: do a quiz and but the conversation was just so rich.
Speaker 1: Quiz would have gotten the way.
Speaker 5: So there's two quizzes quire Crocket quiz.
Speaker 1: So the way this works is the first person that
Speaker 1: blurts out the right answer gets gets the point. All right,
Speaker 1: I think there's seven. Do you want to do it?
Speaker 2: You want to yes? I think hand is what.
Speaker 1: If everybody had a buzzer?
Speaker 4: I think we need a family feed style. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I can get shakers shakers, but then everybody would shake NonStop.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think this is what we're going to have
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 4: We can make our own beeping. Josh, what's your son?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 2: We heard.
Speaker 1: One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight questions. The
Speaker 1: one at the end of this with the most points wins. Okay,
Speaker 1: I feel very first one, there's going to be some
Speaker 1: low hanging fruit. What is the foul wag of a river?
Speaker 5: The deepest point of the channel?
Speaker 1: Terrell Spencer deepest point of the channel, blurted out.
Speaker 7: When I take people fishing on my river, I tell
Speaker 7: him about foul wag. Yeah. Yeah, this is when we
Speaker 7: knew this before. I wanted to be friends with Spence
Speaker 7: getting Spencer's dead.
Speaker 4: He has a He definitely has a competitive advantage today.
Speaker 1: Yes, but because Malachi Nichols wouldn't be a boat partner
Speaker 1: with me, Me and Brent are getting the boat. You
Speaker 1: trade it up, buddy, and we were going to name
Speaker 1: it the thou Wag.
Speaker 2: That was never that was never an option.
Speaker 1: Well, but then I was like, you don't want to
Speaker 1: name your boat the bottom of the So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go ahead and say this. This is going to be
Speaker 1: big news in the future. Most likely the name of
Speaker 1: our boat is going to be the Lauren Toidde.
Speaker 5: Come on, you took a lot of shots at Lauren Tide.
Speaker 1: The I mean, how cool are you name?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: The Lauren Todde the Laurentide ice sheet. Two mile thick
Speaker 1: ice sheets get carved.
Speaker 5: You were taking a lot of shots and now you're
Speaker 5: praising it.
Speaker 1: And well, no, no, no, I didn't about the Laurentide
Speaker 1: ice sheet. I just said it seems kind of arrogant
Speaker 1: to me that we would name it like it was
Speaker 1: a pet.
Speaker 5: I feel like you didn't really appreciate all the top
Speaker 5: soil we have.
Speaker 1: No, I have a big time.
Speaker 5: You would appreciate alluvials up.
Speaker 1: The holler from me, and he stole all his soil.
Speaker 2: And if you guys have the same degree environmental.
Speaker 1: Science, environmental soil water science, yeah, pretty close school for
Speaker 1: stream ecology.
Speaker 2: We are to do. I forgot jar and shake him
Speaker 2: up and see if they'll fight. Right.
Speaker 1: If it came across as negative about the Laurentide ice sheet,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. I I just was making note of no
Speaker 1: human like it actually has no correlation to like thinking.
Speaker 5: It is crazy. It was just it was just like,
Speaker 5: it's amazing.
Speaker 1: No human that we've had correspondence with actually saw it,
Speaker 1: but we know it was here because of the cryptic
Speaker 1: Diary of the Earth. Here's interesting stuff one for till
Speaker 1: this might this might stick. What is the name for
Speaker 1: a concrete map placed on the river bank to stop erosion?
Speaker 1: Brett Reeves?
Speaker 5: What was.
Speaker 1: Brett Reeves? One? Thou wag one Ryan misty zero.
Speaker 5: It comes a fly fish and he'll get it.
Speaker 2: I had COVID, so.
Speaker 1: It made your brain a little Listen to this, Hey,
Speaker 1: Josh has a real boat.
Speaker 5: He has a.
Speaker 2: Name your boats land Bridge?
Speaker 1: Oh are you kidding?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Excellent? Got what's the name of your boat? Ryan? Ryan?
Speaker 1: So dead serious, He's like, name your boat, miss.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 7: I fit on the road. Oh hey, I got a
Speaker 7: honey of a canoe that you didn't mention. It's a
Speaker 7: locally made canoe. Oh yeah, it turns on a dome.
Speaker 7: Two brothers canoes on the side.
Speaker 1: Of locally rogers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Really, two brothers sweet canoes. Okay, okay. Question number three
Speaker 1: for the last how many miles does the river's bed
Speaker 1: lie below sea level?
Speaker 5: And twenty it's fifteen question.
Speaker 1: That question probably could have been worded with a little
Speaker 1: more clarity. How many miles up the river is the
Speaker 1: river below sea level? This? This, This was stated twice
Speaker 1: on the podcast.
Speaker 4: How many miles up the river?
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 5: We can.
Speaker 1: Yes, New Orleans well, the answer lies in how far
Speaker 1: Vicksburg is from the coast.
Speaker 5: Was it four hundred and something? Come on, come on,
Speaker 5: four twenty four fifteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So for the last four hundred and fifty miles
Speaker 1: of the Mississippi River, the bottom of the river's.
Speaker 7: Sea level like not a little in like two and
Speaker 7: forty foot? Is that what they said?
Speaker 1: Well, no, there was a two hundred and forty feet,
Speaker 1: but that it's it's fifteen feet below sea below Vicksburg
Speaker 1: and like one seventy at the mouth of the river.
Speaker 1: Did you guys understand why I needed clarity? I felt
Speaker 1: like John Barry kind of dismissed me when he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's always been like yeah, but I was I thought
Speaker 1: perhaps it was because you know, doctor Beidenharden he told
Speaker 1: me he's like when man puts his foot in the river,
Speaker 1: a river system is so dynamic. Any any water flowing
Speaker 1: water system is incredibly dynamic. And if you put your
Speaker 1: foot in the river in Saint Louis, anywhere, it affects
Speaker 1: you know, this is this is hype, right, hyper hyperbolic exaggeration.
Speaker 1: To make a point. Put your foot in the river
Speaker 1: in Saint Louis, It affects New Orleans, and so I
Speaker 1: thought maybe the river being that far below sea level
Speaker 1: was something that we had done. Because what we probably
Speaker 1: won't get into because it's just too boring, but it's
Speaker 1: also too exciting not to talk about is all the
Speaker 1: ways that they I mean, you could write books on
Speaker 1: the Mississippi River Commission and levees, jetties, and outlets. So
Speaker 1: there was this huge controversy in the country for fifty
Speaker 1: years about how to tame the Mississippi River. And there
Speaker 1: was a levees only crew. There were these guys that
Speaker 1: were like, levees only, that's the way to do it,
Speaker 1: and then there were other people that wanted levees and outlets.
Speaker 1: And basically the levees only thing failed because of the
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty seven flood, and it was the biggest natural
Speaker 1: disaster in American history.
Speaker 5: Cash wrote a song about it. Did he really How
Speaker 5: high is the water, Papa?
Speaker 1: And that's about the nineteen twenty seven flood. Oh dude,
Speaker 1: that's big. I didn't know.
Speaker 7: That big river and that song are my two favorite
Speaker 7: Johnny Cash, my grandpa, and I'm not even a potomologist.
Speaker 6: My grandfather went to Southeast Arkansas when he was He
Speaker 6: was born in nineteen thirteen. That happened in twenty seven,
Speaker 6: so he was fourteen and he went down there to
Speaker 6: help recover folks and really flood victims.
Speaker 5: How far did it get? How far west? Today?
Speaker 6: They went to Lake Village, which is right there, right
Speaker 6: on the river. Yeah, he said it was. It was horrible.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Well, we are going to talk more about the nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty seven flood in different ways they did things, but
Speaker 1: but the.
Speaker 4: Uh on a different podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like actually on some of the later ones. So
Speaker 1: we'll save that. So four hundred and fifty miles up,
Speaker 1: it's below that money, Yeah, yeah, Okay. What is the
Speaker 1: term for a river whose banks are mobile and shift,
Speaker 1: meandering and weaving through its floodplain? Alluvial bam flag to
Speaker 1: an alluvial river? Yeah, an alluvial river its banks are
Speaker 1: mobile and shift and meanders and weaves through its floodplain.
Speaker 4: Josh, did you even listen to this?
Speaker 1: I did, Josh, Yeah, Josh. Josh's daughter got married.
Speaker 2: My daughter got this weekend.
Speaker 3: We had a fantastic time, but man, marrying off a
Speaker 3: kid isn't a lot of work.
Speaker 1: We were tired and we didn't even do anything.
Speaker 4: We just celebrated.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, for Josh's oldest daughter getting married, we're
Speaker 1: giving him one bonus point. Okay, question number four. The
Speaker 1: current score is two for thal wag Spencer, one for
Speaker 1: Ryan Flint for a screb, and one for Brent this
Speaker 1: country Life reeves.
Speaker 5: And zero for Josh, zero for Missy.
Speaker 1: Okay, the Mississippi and the Amazon rivers are the only
Speaker 1: two major rivers to not have this damn damn Well
Speaker 1: needs a little more clarity where where at the mouth?
Speaker 1: Josh Lambrigg's filmmaker points. So what what doctor kilgorever two
Speaker 1: L said was that the Mississippi and the Amazon were
Speaker 1: the only of the big rivers of the world that
Speaker 1: don't have a damn at their mouth, which is a
Speaker 1: pretty big deal. And you know what, I didn't want
Speaker 1: to say this on the podcast because it kind of
Speaker 1: kind of ruins the buzz about the Mississippi River. But
Speaker 1: those guys talked to about the Amazon, the Amazon is
Speaker 1: the beast of planet Earth. Yes, Like the Mississippi River
Speaker 1: is like pretty small in comparison to the Amazon. Like
Speaker 1: it's not like the flow on a big flood day
Speaker 1: Mississippi River. I want to say is around four point
Speaker 1: five cubic four point five million cubic feet per day
Speaker 1: that comes out of the mouth of the Mississippi River,
Speaker 1: which means imagine a one foot by one foot by
Speaker 1: one foot cube of water. Do you understand that? Was nutten?
Speaker 4: Yes, sometimes sometimes careful just stop talking.
Speaker 1: Imagine that. Imagine that and imagine four hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: million of those little boxes.
Speaker 2: Are too fast.
Speaker 1: Steve Ranella have a great example about He said, it
Speaker 1: would be like seeing four hundred four zero point five
Speaker 1: million soccer balls go past you. The soccer ball is
Speaker 1: about one cubic foot.
Speaker 2: I thought that was good.
Speaker 5: That would supply to Texas for.
Speaker 1: A couple of days, like two days.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: But the Amazon has twenty million cubic feet for times
Speaker 1: at high water. Wow. And but what's interesting about the
Speaker 1: Amazon is that all the other big rivers of the world,
Speaker 1: like the Nile, Mississippi, the Congo, the Yangees, the Ganges whatever,
Speaker 1: what's it called yan yank See.
Speaker 5: We're representing our major here, yeah.
Speaker 1: Bumpers environmental science. Most of those rivers run north and
Speaker 1: south for the most part. The Amazon runs east and west,
Speaker 1: or it runs from the west to the east. But
Speaker 1: but and it runs across the widest part of the
Speaker 1: South American continent, and so it is just has this
Speaker 1: huge drainage basin and it's very little is developed around
Speaker 1: the Amazon. So there's very few maybe no, I don't
Speaker 1: want to say how many dams, but it's relatively an
Speaker 1: undamned river. Christ Spielmaker's Amazon, Has you really I would
Speaker 1: like to go to the Amazon? That'ses who here would
Speaker 1: like to go the.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. My friend Keith Sutton down in central Arkansas, who
Speaker 1: is a in Arkansas. He's kind of a legendary hunting
Speaker 1: fishing rider. He for a time was going down to
Speaker 1: the Amazon quite a bit and he caught an undiscovered
Speaker 1: stingray freshwater stingray that no one had ever documented. He
Speaker 1: was down there fishing one year and caught this stingray
Speaker 1: and he pulled it up or he's saw it. Maybe
Speaker 1: he pulled it up to the boat and it got off,
Speaker 1: but he had a real good look at it. And
Speaker 1: he goes back to America and starts researching and there's
Speaker 1: nothing and he's like, I know what I saw. The
Speaker 1: next year he goes back. It's a version of the
Speaker 1: story that's similar to this Okay, this may not be worth.
Speaker 4: So you may be misrepresenting him.
Speaker 1: I mean a little bit, but it's possible. I just
Speaker 1: want to say that because I've recorded him tell the
Speaker 1: story before, so you could go back and actually hear
Speaker 1: it from him on the Bare Hunting Magazine podcast with
Speaker 1: Keith Sutton. But the next year, he goes back down
Speaker 1: there to the exact spot he lost that fish, and
Speaker 1: within like ten minutes catches another one. I'm serious, he did.
Speaker 1: He went and caught it and it was a two
Speaker 1: hundred pound fresh water stingray that had never been documented
Speaker 1: by science.
Speaker 2: Him.
Speaker 1: I don't think they named it after him, but he
Speaker 1: was able to get in touch with a fish guy
Speaker 1: that they believe eve that somebody in the eighteen hundreds
Speaker 1: had documented it one time, but that's all they had seen,
Speaker 1: so it was never But it's just like that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff can still happen on the Amazon River.
Speaker 4: It's been crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was I thought it was crazy.
Speaker 1: So Josh, your score is two.
Speaker 2: We don't have too.
Speaker 3: One in like, at least at least my extra points
Speaker 3: were awarded by someone else and not myself.
Speaker 7: Like, yeah, Brents, I feel like this is the kind
Speaker 7: of thing I talked to my kids about.
Speaker 1: Okay, question number uh number five, how long did it
Speaker 1: take the Europeans revisit the Mississippi River after De Soto
Speaker 1: discovered twenty one hundred and twenty years?
Speaker 2: Yes? Nice?
Speaker 1: Did y'all like hearing what Mark Twain thought about that? Yeah?
Speaker 4: That was really good.
Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting and I was reading fat
Speaker 1: it's wild to think that De Soto saw it and
Speaker 1: it was one hundred and twenty years.
Speaker 7: But isn't that like that's the thing with rivers. We
Speaker 7: take them for granted. Yeah, you know, you just see
Speaker 7: herriver and you think it's just a river. You see
Speaker 7: a mountain, and everybody wants to name it and climate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's true. Well, but when Mark Twain put
Speaker 1: it in the contexts as he said that entire time,
Speaker 1: there were there were people on the East coast, you know,
Speaker 1: there were there were Europeans that were about around and
Speaker 1: about on the East coast, and then they still didn't
Speaker 1: even know where that river went.
Speaker 6: Okay, there was some good stuff in that book. Yeah,
Speaker 6: Life on the Mississippi, And I sent you I was
Speaker 6: actually reading that and you're used to that section that
Speaker 6: when we.
Speaker 2: Started and then is it a spoiler if I read
Speaker 2: that thing that I sent you to the day that
Speaker 2: I liked, that was in.
Speaker 1: The part that I well, you know what I skipped over.
Speaker 1: I skipped over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, read it read, Yeah, my favorite part of that whole.
Speaker 6: And it was actually in that same paragraph Mark Twain said,
Speaker 6: if somebody should discover it creek in the county next
Speaker 6: to the one that the North Pole is in Europe
Speaker 6: and America would start fifteen costly expeditions, thither one to
Speaker 6: explore the creek and the other fourteen to hunt for
Speaker 6: each other. That made me laugh out loud because that's
Speaker 6: so true.
Speaker 1: And then eighteen eighty three, that's what was going on.
Speaker 1: That book was written in eighteen eighty three. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: like there was some genuine exploration going on in this continent,
Speaker 1: unlike is going on today. You know, they were exploring
Speaker 1: land like today we're exploring technology.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think about like Elon Musk and these people
Speaker 1: doing wild stuff going to the moon, making electric cars,
Speaker 1: making chat GPT, and we're kind of like, wow, the
Speaker 1: frontier you know this back then it was what's that direction?
Speaker 2: We don't really know the actual frontier.
Speaker 1: That's not the best analogy, but you guys get it, okay.
Speaker 1: According to doctor Biden Haarn, the deepest point of the
Speaker 1: river is how to forty feet? Bam that wagon?
Speaker 4: I definitely I did because I like to hear the
Speaker 4: whole question.
Speaker 2: That's not Spenser's fault, No, it's his fault.
Speaker 1: Last question, this question.
Speaker 5: Don't think at half point.
Speaker 4: Don't know? It's all yours. It's all yours. You said
Speaker 4: it for rules, you know.
Speaker 5: Like before this question?
Speaker 1: Okay, what year was the Mississippi River Commission formed? This
Speaker 1: is kind of a boring question.
Speaker 2: Is it is?
Speaker 5: And I still don't know the eighteen nineteen forty eight and.
Speaker 4: That's what I was gonna say, nineteen forty eight too,
Speaker 4: But I think I think there is.
Speaker 5: I don't feel bad if I take it wrong.
Speaker 1: Answer it was one hundred years before the year of
Speaker 1: my birthm mis get I get right?
Speaker 2: Who won?
Speaker 1: Who won that wagon?
Speaker 2: I think I had five estion of how many miles
Speaker 2: un free flowing water.
Speaker 3: That's a great one, which I'm fully expecting Isaac Neil
Speaker 3: to walk in here with that tattoo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think about the tattoo suggestion twenty four hundred
Speaker 1: or a hawk eagle yeah, I had a lot of people.
Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of hype around that the Mississippi
Speaker 1: River should have been called the Missouri River because the
Speaker 1: Missouri River is longer than the Mississippi, and people say
Speaker 1: things such as the Mississippi's river is not great until
Speaker 1: the Missouri comes in.
Speaker 5: I got a question, okay, I think it said that
Speaker 5: there was not a dam on the Missouri River for
Speaker 5: twelve miles.
Speaker 1: It said, why.
Speaker 5: Is I don't know anything about the Missouri River, so
Speaker 5: it's compared to the Arkansas, and you don't come very
Speaker 5: far out of the Mississippi until you get to what's
Speaker 5: the first one?
Speaker 2: Is it Murray?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Down it? Uh uh domas Domus. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't understand what would make the decisions around not that?
Speaker 5: Is there not commerce or commercial on that like there
Speaker 5: is Arkansas River.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I really don't know. That's a good question.
Speaker 5: Are the Arkansas damns navigation wise or are they power?
Speaker 2: It's mostly navigation, Yeah, mostly navigation.
Speaker 5: I think they go as far as Tulsa. Maybe on
Speaker 5: the Arkansas River.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some rivers it could be there's some. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't even know enough to I'll figure out the answer,
Speaker 1: because that's a good question. You don't get no point,
Speaker 1: I get zero. You know, I'm gonna have to say
Speaker 1: this again. I'm gonna address this again in an actual
Speaker 1: bear grease podcas cast in a probably a tighter way.
Speaker 1: But I think naming rivers is really interesting because rivers
Speaker 1: are named typically from their mouth, the bottom, the bottom,
Speaker 1: and the way this country was settled by the Europeans
Speaker 1: that came here. It was settled from east to west.
Speaker 1: So the people came to this land that the Native Americans,
Speaker 1: the Quapole is called Arkansas, and they found this giant river,
Speaker 1: and so they said the Arkansas River. And then when
Speaker 1: they went up to where the Arkansas River started, it
Speaker 1: was in Colorado.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I mean, in theory, it seems like there's more namesake.
Speaker 1: This is the Colorado River started in Colorado, but just
Speaker 1: simply based upon where the people, the direction the people
Speaker 1: were coming from when they named it. And that's exactly
Speaker 1: why the Missouri River is called the Missouri River and
Speaker 1: the not the where's the headwaters of the Missouri in Montana.
Speaker 5: Or I'm not even sure I think it was Montana.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's Montana, you know, and and so
Speaker 1: the Mississippi. It was kind of the same way that
Speaker 1: most of the interaction with that river was down in
Speaker 1: the lower part of the river with LaSalle and these
Speaker 1: got you know, LaSalle and the Tante were the first
Speaker 1: guys to It was a transliteration, meaning that it was
Speaker 1: a it was a word in a different language that
Speaker 1: we just kind of were like Mississippi sounds like they're
Speaker 1: saying it was tough. I struggled with that. It was, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. I didn't really do it justice. There were
Speaker 1: multiple There's so many ways that but it was michiku.
Speaker 4: I've got a question, how confident are you that that I'm.
Speaker 1: The pronunciation of that high very high? You like that
Speaker 1: very high? Okay?
Speaker 4: And how how confident were you of cholera low?
Speaker 1: What I like to think about these things? What is it?
Speaker 1: What did it make you think when it was suggested
Speaker 1: on Bear Grease that maybe one day the Mississippi River
Speaker 1: won't be called the Mississippi.
Speaker 7: And just how our society will be forgotten like the
Speaker 7: Catahokians or all the others. Yeah, that was that was
Speaker 7: I was cleaning out a chicken brewer at the time,
Speaker 7: and that was a thinker.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean I can tell you where I
Speaker 4: was at. I was I was checking.
Speaker 1: Wow, where were you.
Speaker 2: When we talked about renamingnant.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's the point. Think about the great
Speaker 1: civilizations there. There were incredible civilizations. You know, this whole
Speaker 1: idea we came in into a wilderness is just untrue.
Speaker 1: These people walked into great civilizations that looked different than
Speaker 1: European cities. We translated his wilderness and these people had
Speaker 1: I mean, they they knew what that river was called.
Speaker 1: And then here we are a couple hundred year i mean,
Speaker 1: five hundred years later, we're guessing at what they called it.
Speaker 1: And we're not even calling it what they called it.
Speaker 1: We're calling it what it sounds like they called it.
Speaker 1: You know, they called it the Mitcha super Kani or whatever,
Speaker 1: Mitchev Sipi or whatever.
Speaker 5: The ones that survived, Right, And there's yeah.
Speaker 1: And then and then this Peter Pitchlin the chalk taw
Speaker 1: he in this letter, this official it was a letter that.
Speaker 2: Was the one that said that we always pronounced everything wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so he was like, heck, they didn't even
Speaker 1: get the transliteration right. It was this meaning the river
Speaker 1: without any age, and yeah, you can just imagine how
Speaker 1: louly translated some of that stuff was, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw it was an interesting thought.
Speaker 5: All the will remain will be our plastic water bottles
Speaker 5: and dirophones.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What what stood out to you most misty about
Speaker 1: that podcast? Well, what you learned.
Speaker 4: My favorite part was actually the very beginning, hearing John
Speaker 4: Barry read the poem. I thought that was pretty pretty.
Speaker 1: Amazing, pretty strong brown god.
Speaker 4: And my second favorite part was hearing Hank Berdine his
Speaker 4: voice described as the voice what a crocodile? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: that was pretty good, pretty good description.
Speaker 2: Yeah, after the voiceover for Foghorn Leghorn.
Speaker 5: That's two.
Speaker 7: That's two podcasts I think in a row with with
Speaker 7: good descriptions, because the other was Davy Crocket where we
Speaker 7: talked about being like a wildcat and was half out wildcat.
Speaker 2: Description and cans AND's has been the half.
Speaker 1: My half alligator, half horse.
Speaker 5: That's right, my middle son, We're like, that's you, buddy.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I thought John Barry's intro was cool. That
Speaker 1: was his favorite poem, and I asked him if he
Speaker 1: would read it for me, and he read it Bret,
Speaker 1: what's that to you? What was your favorite part?
Speaker 2: I like talking to uh and I still can't remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, doctor was with me when I went down there.
Speaker 6: We went it was cool, man, That whole complex is Wow,
Speaker 6: it's pretty pretty cool to get in there.
Speaker 2: And talk to those folks. But to hear he talked
Speaker 2: about a lot.
Speaker 6: Of stuff that I'm sure that that they won't be
Speaker 6: out there because it's just it meant it was so technical.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was really the.
Speaker 6: Best thing that I wish that people that are listening
Speaker 6: to this could have been there watching him talk about it,
Speaker 6: because seeing some visiting with somebody and watching them talk
Speaker 6: about something that they're very passionate about. And he's been
Speaker 6: his whole life studying that thing, and to me, he
Speaker 6: looks like he's just, it's excited.
Speaker 2: To talk about it today. How long has he been
Speaker 2: down there? Years?
Speaker 6: Like, yeah, thirty or forty years he's been doing it?
Speaker 6: Would he seems to be just as excited about it
Speaker 6: now as he was in But the him talking about
Speaker 6: that revetment, one of the questions I got right in
Speaker 6: the challenge that Josh didn't get how cool that was
Speaker 6: that it scoured out sixty feet below that thing, and
Speaker 6: then before they could get in there and do something
Speaker 6: about it, he feel back in forty feet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was.
Speaker 6: But that's I mean, and that's going on everywhere all
Speaker 6: the time, and that thing, it's the river is changing.
Speaker 6: How he talked about it, he talked about it like
Speaker 6: it was an animal, you know, like it will have
Speaker 6: life to it, And I guess it does in that
Speaker 6: way because it's always changing and growing and going. Well,
Speaker 6: it was really cool just to sit there listened to
Speaker 6: that guy who who really knows it.
Speaker 1: Brian, what stood out to you.
Speaker 5: Was it, Burdine? You were in the boat with The
Speaker 5: very first thing you hear before anything is spoken is
Speaker 5: the tilt trim. I'm thinking, here's a guy that is
Speaker 5: hands on, he's immersed in the river. He he's on
Speaker 5: it while he's talking about it. So I'm thinking this
Speaker 5: is a big deal to this guy. He was probably
Speaker 5: born and raised and is on it day in, day out.
Speaker 5: So I was really entertained by his conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a cool guy. He's a cool guy. Hey,
Speaker 1: you gotta tell me, but we're going to end with
Speaker 1: you telling this is your best near death story on
Speaker 1: a big river. Ryan be thinking about it, Spence whatsod
Speaker 1: what stood out to you? Excuse me?
Speaker 5: I lit up like a Christmas tree when I heard
Speaker 5: that word.
Speaker 7: He's the farmer that in potomologists. So but now I
Speaker 7: I when he when he was talking about just the
Speaker 7: a river's ability to do work, and he talked about slope,
Speaker 7: and he talked about volume, and you know, I couldn't
Speaker 7: help but thinking of you know, we've got a creak
Speaker 7: in our haller, We've got our farm land where the
Speaker 7: river runs through it, and I just think of floods.
Speaker 7: You know, I've been at this proper on our properties
Speaker 7: for shoot a long time now, and you know I've
Speaker 7: seen some big floods.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I just that's where my mind goes. And then extrapolating
Speaker 7: that to the Mississippi when he talked, you know, like
Speaker 7: when you look at old maps and you see how
Speaker 7: much it's changed, and I don't know what you're going
Speaker 7: to talk about in the future.
Speaker 5: Like a lot of this was me.
Speaker 7: I really am interested in this, So I just I
Speaker 7: was like, oh, I hope Clay has a talks about that.
Speaker 7: I hope, I hope this is a ten part series. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: you know I'm all in urd, but I enjoyed that
Speaker 7: so like just all the scratches. I mean, it was
Speaker 7: almost like you're going on a Deli tray with the
Speaker 7: sampler platter, all the little thing and maybe you'll get
Speaker 7: into him, maybe you're not, but I don't know. It
Speaker 7: was just tangent after changes in my mind. And then uh,
Speaker 7: I really liked when he called it the Fourth Coast, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, I've never heard that punk rock.
Speaker 7: They used to call like the West Coast, Left Coast,
Speaker 7: so like, I don't know, it's just like it made
Speaker 7: me chuckle him calling it the fourth Coast be a
Speaker 7: good T shirt.
Speaker 1: Coast, the fourth Coast, Oh hank, oh hank. Yeah that's good, Josh.
Speaker 3: I just I'm always fascinated and my family makes fun
Speaker 3: of me because they're like, oh, dad's doing math again.
Speaker 3: But I love I love the statistics, just like the
Speaker 3: twenty four hundred miles without a damn, all the soil
Speaker 3: that gets moved, all the volume of water. It boggles
Speaker 3: my mind that I mean, honestly, it makes me more
Speaker 3: amazed at our creator.
Speaker 2: And when I think about this stuff, like.
Speaker 3: To design this, and and it makes me you know,
Speaker 3: I was out on the river this morning and I
Speaker 3: took a couple of guys that were that were in
Speaker 3: town for my daughter's wedding, and I took them up
Speaker 3: to the dam, and and the dams we have here
Speaker 3: in Arkansas are pretty impressive structures. I mean, they're amazing structures.
Speaker 3: And then to think about the the Mississippi River and
Speaker 3: how we've learned to utilize that, it just it puts
Speaker 3: me in a state of awe a little bit that
Speaker 3: we've been able to harness a lot of the power
Speaker 3: of that and use it for our lives. And I
Speaker 3: think I loved how you talked about finding out how
Speaker 3: the Mississippi affects our lives, Like we don't really know
Speaker 3: and so to just to just break it down and
Speaker 3: make it evident for us is really interesting to me.
Speaker 5: There was a quote where it talked about trying to
Speaker 5: master it like hubris. What was that? Do you remember
Speaker 5: that quote?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: John Barry a lot in his book Rising Tide talked
Speaker 1: about the hubris that it took for man to even
Speaker 1: think he could tame the river.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and we've had some We've got a bridge in
Speaker 7: our county that has washed out repeatedly and they just
Speaker 7: keep adding more and more concrete to it. And there's
Speaker 7: a part of me that rejoices every time that end
Speaker 7: up on my property because I never learned. But it's
Speaker 7: just that hubris, you know, and the amount of force
Speaker 7: and power, and it looks so simple, but they're so
Speaker 7: deep and there there's so much under the surface in
Speaker 7: the river. And it really like, I'd be curious to
Speaker 7: hear your stories, because if you've ever been out on
Speaker 7: a body of water and realize you shouldn't be out there,
Speaker 7: it becomes really quick, really fast, or really apparent really
Speaker 7: fast how powerful those rivers and water bodies are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think, to me, the the what
Speaker 1: I wanted to communicate and what I'm maybe most interested
Speaker 1: in is I want people to understand the complexity of
Speaker 1: a river system. When I was in college, I took
Speaker 1: a stream ecology class, and I was blown away by
Speaker 1: the complexity of even just a gravel based stream like
Speaker 1: here in the Ozarks, Like if you remove this gravel,
Speaker 1: what it does downstream, and even more so on a big,
Speaker 1: giant river that drains forty one percent of a continent.
Speaker 1: And I thought John Barry's John Barry is an excellent writer,
Speaker 1: and when he I took the quote about the physicist
Speaker 1: that was from his book, like he talked about the
Speaker 1: physicist that said, when I get to heaven, I've got
Speaker 1: two questions for God. Why relativity and why turbulence? And
Speaker 1: I think he can answer the first insinuating that nobody knows.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows, and and just the turbulence being this mysterious force,
Speaker 1: unpredictable force that that comes about with free flowing stuff
Speaker 1: like water or air, and it's just so difficult to calculate.
Speaker 1: And the sediment loads the river and how big it
Speaker 1: is and how it moves and it really is like
Speaker 1: a beast. And like I said in the on the podcast,
Speaker 1: if the if the if you if the river were
Speaker 1: a great beast and the banks where its skeleton, and
Speaker 1: the floodplain where it's flesh, the water would be its
Speaker 1: blood and the dirt would be the life in the blood.
Speaker 1: And how that that dirt is basically has built the
Speaker 1: entire delta of from like Memphis down like the Gulf
Speaker 1: of Mexico used to come all the way up into
Speaker 1: the Ozarks.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: How about him talking about, uh, the topsail the depth
Speaker 6: of top soil in most places that's compared to the
Speaker 6: alluvial plain down Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Are you Are you going to cover the fact that
Speaker 7: we're like shotgunning all that out in the gulf, like.
Speaker 1: I will, that's a whole Yeah, there's some major ecological
Speaker 1: problems down at the mouth of the Mississippi River. Uh,
Speaker 1: And it's yeah, I will, but not in detail, honestly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just because I'm there's talk about that's. Yeah, it's so complex.
Speaker 5: Private podcast for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Ryan, have you almost died on a big river?
Speaker 5: I don't want to say died, but probably done some
Speaker 5: stupid stuff when I was younger, duck hunting when the
Speaker 5: river is flooded, too smaller boats, too much current, trying
Speaker 5: to drive across flooded rock jetties to get to the
Speaker 5: other side the duck hunt and thinking, you know, as
Speaker 5: the trucks pushed sideways, you're thinking later, this is a
Speaker 5: bad It would have kept sliding. I'd been fifteen twenty foot.
Speaker 2: Under the white the truck water running across.
Speaker 5: Running across the levee, and you're trying to go from
Speaker 5: drive across that drive across the levee to another point.
Speaker 5: And it was stupid.
Speaker 1: You know, Hey, do you have it. Do you have
Speaker 1: a specific story or now you don't, Okay, No.
Speaker 5: I try to be prettyself.
Speaker 6: I told her about that story on one of my
Speaker 6: podcasts about my brother and I getting hung up on
Speaker 6: the Arkansas River. In the Arkansas River in a bad storm.
Speaker 6: You know, we made it out to a sandbar in
Speaker 6: the middle of the river and pulled to just run,
Speaker 6: running the boat up on the bank. This this cloud
Speaker 6: had a big storm had come through and gone and
Speaker 6: we were still before daylight. We look up and we
Speaker 6: see stars. We think it's fine, we're good to go.
Speaker 6: We get in the boat, we go up the river.
Speaker 6: Then another storm coming behind it, so it's water against
Speaker 6: waves are coming over the front of the boat. So
Speaker 6: when the wind blows up a river, when it blows
Speaker 6: against the current, this makes the waves bad and the.
Speaker 1: Currents going down, but the pushing it so it's going
Speaker 1: against each other.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this was like three foot swells were coming over
Speaker 6: the front of that john boat. We was a sixteen
Speaker 6: foot john boat that was fifty two inches wide and
Speaker 6: it was like a cork floating out there. So we
Speaker 6: hit the We hit a sand bars as fast as
Speaker 6: we could go and got off of it and lightning
Speaker 6: is popping all around, the winds blowing like crazy, and
Speaker 6: finally it got it stopped.
Speaker 2: The lightning stuff stopped.
Speaker 6: And it got daylight where we could see, and we
Speaker 6: killed like one or two ducks, and uh then we
Speaker 6: got back.
Speaker 2: In the boat and scared you to death and got home. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was it was tough.
Speaker 5: It was, y'all. Ever seen like a canoe that's been
Speaker 5: pinned when you're faddling, or or wrapped around a tree, Yeah,
Speaker 5: and you trying to pull it out and you realize
Speaker 5: how much forces are there.
Speaker 2: There's a well, Josh and I saw a boat, an
Speaker 2: all John boat wrapped around a tree.
Speaker 6: But I've seen big, big boats like that on the Arkansas,
Speaker 6: big commercial, like commercial sized fishing boats that are just
Speaker 6: wrapped around like nothing.
Speaker 5: I know, Misty probably don't want to hear this, but
Speaker 5: if you remember what two three years ago, there was
Speaker 5: five of us in my eighteen foot duck boat.
Speaker 1: Was one of my children, many of.
Speaker 5: And a live well has a big live weel in
Speaker 5: it that was full of water, full of fish for
Speaker 5: them to bring home. We kept watching the cell come
Speaker 5: from the what was it north northeast?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: What threw us off was that it was coming from
Speaker 1: the east, and we thought thinking that it was already
Speaker 1: passed us. Gotcha, because of the weather usually in this
Speaker 1: part of the world comes from west to east. So
Speaker 1: we were looking back to the west and the clouds
Speaker 1: were there was no storm, but to the east there
Speaker 1: was a storm. And I thought it was a storm
Speaker 1: that was kind of moving from the north to the
Speaker 1: southeast and we're just seeing the tail of it. But
Speaker 1: actually it was an east It was blowing from the
Speaker 1: east and coming on as hard.
Speaker 5: And that's the way the river's flowing down to the east.
Speaker 5: The wind's coming out of the east. So yeah, it
Speaker 5: was actually didn't start with any rollers. It started with
Speaker 5: three foot breakers with a loaded boat. And we should
Speaker 5: have stayed put. We should have stayed Yeah, we should have. Yeah,
Speaker 5: But once you get halfway back.
Speaker 1: We had probably three miles or so to get back home.
Speaker 5: And actually took a deep tur in to a bay
Speaker 5: to get out of the wind that I know probably
Speaker 5: wasn't three foot deep, and I'm thinking, I hope I
Speaker 5: don't hit a stuff.
Speaker 1: I remember. So while that is going on, guess what
Speaker 1: flint face looked like? Just messy. Always we're just like
Speaker 1: you're just getting soaked wet, and I'm kind of looking
Speaker 1: back at Ryan to see if he looks nervous, and
Speaker 1: we don't really even talk. I mean, do we just
Speaker 1: go back to the boat ram And once we get out,
Speaker 1: I go, hey, Ryan, was that pretty sketchy? And he
Speaker 1: was like, that's pretty sketchy. That reminded me of the
Speaker 1: time when rode with Warner Glenn up a big mountain yard.
Speaker 1: I've told the story so many times. I rode with
Speaker 1: Warner Glenn, followed him up a mountain on a mule
Speaker 1: and it was the absolute wildest mule ride in my life.
Speaker 1: And that night over dinner and he never even looked
Speaker 1: back to see if I was still there. And when
Speaker 1: I got to dinner that night, I said, I said,
Speaker 1: mister Warner, if you could, if you were ranking mule
Speaker 1: rides and a zero was riding down a gravel road
Speaker 1: and a tin was that you died? What did we
Speaker 1: do this morning? And he went humh, probably about a
Speaker 1: seven or eight. And I was like, good, thank god.
Speaker 1: He said, yeah, if it had been must much worse
Speaker 1: than that, you just couldn't have taken him up there, Clay.
Speaker 1: He didn't. It never even occurred to him that we'd
Speaker 1: done something wild that day. It was that was like
Speaker 1: it was Tuesday. Yeah, that was like when I was rying.
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, it was pretty sketchy. Ah. Hey,
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Speaker 5: Ryan's coming up, Man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: Legend has it that Robert Redford is jealous of Josh's mustache.
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