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Were in our show for today and your 10 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 2: chance to win some cash. 11 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 3: Well. 12 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 2: The Lslogundo Times did a story about the nine challengers 13 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: and counting to replace George Gascon as La County District Attorney, 14 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: and they point out that when Jackie Lacy was looking 15 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: for a second term back in twenty sixteen, she was unopposed. Now, 16 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 2: obviously four years later George Gascone knocked her out of 17 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 2: that office. But it gives you an idea that people 18 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: were pretty happy with Jackie Lacey. The not so the 19 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: case with George Gascon. We talked the other day to 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: about a poll that was taken by sheriff's deputies in 21 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: Los Angeles County that while Gascone is leading, he's only 22 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: in the teens in the poll, fourteen percent now fifty 23 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 2: two percent really had no opinion right now to pick anybody. 24 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 2: But that's not good for an incumbent to only be 25 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: at fourteen percent. All the challengers were in single digits. 26 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 2: But we're now going to talk to a challenger we've 27 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: not talked to before. Her name is Ramira Maria Ramirez, 28 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: Maria Ramirez, right, who has over thirty years in the 29 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: La County DA's office. Well, let's get Maria Ramerez on 30 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: the line. Welcome, how are you? 31 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 3: I'm good, how are you guys? You guys are going 32 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 3: to have to learn how to say my name. 33 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 2: Just get out backwards there for some reason. 34 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, So, Maria Ramirez, you are the top name among 35 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: the challengers. Now is a very limited poll in the 36 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: sense that most people don't know who any of the 37 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: challengers are. More than half the people didn't have a preference. 38 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: But among those nine challengers, you were at the top 39 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: or the thing, about eight or nine percent, right. 40 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 3: Yes, I was seven percent, and I was very happy 41 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 3: with that. It's a good start. And this is really 42 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 3: at a time when the voters of La County are 43 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 3: not really following too closely. They most of us do 44 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 3: not have the name recognition of George Gascon and so 45 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 3: I think this is very promising because it really does 46 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 3: show his weakness as an incumbent. 47 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean his approval rating was a business with 48 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: twenty five percent. So tell the world who Maria Ramirez is. 49 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. So I am born and raised in La County. 50 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 3: I grew up in the Boyle Heights area of Los Angeles. 51 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 3: My parents are immigrant family from Mexico, and my family 52 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 3: built a trucking company, Ramire's Trucking Company, which I like 53 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 3: to talk about, and it still is in existence today. 54 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 3: And so I really am a child of La County, 55 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 3: born and raised, went to school here, joined the office 56 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: thirty three years ago, and have really up until three 57 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 3: years ago, I have just loved every minute of my 58 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 3: career as a Deputy District Attorney and have really spent 59 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 3: that whole career working in our communities, working with victims 60 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 3: of crime, and really making sure that what we're doing 61 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 3: every day in the DA's office is protecting our communities. 62 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 3: So that's really who I am. Very simple, but I 63 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 3: really feel very strongly that the direction our DA's office 64 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 3: is going in right now is not the best way 65 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 3: to ensure that our communities are safe and that's why 66 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 3: I decided to run for das. 67 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: Now it says here you're among a group of about 68 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 2: twenty prosecutors who are suing guests God for retaliation or defamation. 69 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: Can you talk about that case and how that got 70 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: you involved. Yeah. 71 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: So I was part of the executive management team when 72 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: George as Con came into office in twenty twenty. I 73 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 3: was the Director of Specialized Prosecutions at the time, where 74 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 3: I managed eight of our most complex and high profile 75 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 3: divisions in our office, about two hundred and sixty employees plus. 76 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 3: And because you know, he came in as an outsider, 77 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 3: as you well know, he didn't really know many people 78 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 3: within our office, so he actually kept a few of 79 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 3: us in upper management. And you know, I was hoping 80 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 3: that that he did that because he wanted to work 81 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 3: with us, you know, to establish his new policies and 82 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 3: really get the feedback of those of us who have 83 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 3: had that experience in our office. And so I was 84 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 3: a little hopeful. I was a little nervous as well, 85 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 3: because I had heard during his campaign about some of 86 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 3: the drastic measures he wanted to take. But I kind 87 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 3: of figured, you know, he's the leader, he's going to 88 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: lead and listen and we'll all work together. Well, I 89 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 3: was very naive and very disappointed in the fact that 90 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 3: he did none of those things. And so you know, 91 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: I tried for about eight months to work with him 92 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 3: and his administration and trying to make the directives first 93 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: of all, follow the law, make sure that they were 94 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 3: not violining to our ethical duties, and it was it 95 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 3: just became really evident to me that they had an 96 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 3: agenda from day one and they did not want to 97 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 3: work with us. I mean he you know, granted it 98 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 3: was during part of the COVID time, and but he 99 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 3: I think I saw him maybe once or twice in 100 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 3: person while I was up there for eight months as 101 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 3: part of his executive team, and he really didn't want 102 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: to interact with us as a group, and if he 103 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: did talk to us, it was on the phone or individually. 104 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 3: So it was just interesting his leadership style. But you know, anyway, 105 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 3: I tried to work with him and his team, and 106 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 3: I think that he just got tired of hearing me 107 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 3: to be honest with you, and so go ahead, I. 108 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 2: Just want to say some of your bigger problems were 109 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: with what the sentencing enhancements and the whole juveniles treated 110 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 2: as adults. Thing is that some of your bigger problems 111 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 2: and its directives and his policies. 112 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly the juveniles, you know, having them instructing us 113 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 3: not to file charges appropriate charges on juveniles UH, thement 114 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 3: non use of the enhancements, his absolute blanket policy on 115 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 3: not UH transferring juveniles to adult court. So I had 116 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: a long list of issues that we had with him 117 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 3: that in effect, we couldn't carry out our job by 118 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 3: by following these directives, and I was he I couldn't 119 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 3: work with him directly, so he had me work with 120 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 3: Alisa Blair, which was one of the public defenders he 121 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 3: brought over. And anytime I tried to work with them 122 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 3: about specifics about policy and what the effects of this 123 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 3: would be, they didn't really care about that. They just 124 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 3: wanted as many people really released from from prison as 125 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 3: they could. They didn't want any juveniles prosecuted as adults. 126 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: And I was able to send them a long list 127 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 3: of cases where it just founded so ridiculous that we 128 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 3: wouldn't try those individuals as adults, and that you know, 129 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 3: that went nowhere, And so it was a very frustrating 130 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 3: and chaotic time. 131 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: And it's still studying to hear this from somebody so 132 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: far on the inside to say this kind of stuff 133 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: that they just don't want people and they want juveniles 134 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: to be treated get I just it's amazing. 135 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: He had had one idea to let people out of 136 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: prison and not put in anyone. 137 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 3: New right exactly that's exactly it. I mean, that was 138 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 3: the that was his agenda. And when you have that 139 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 3: agenda so really a political agenda. We've never operated that 140 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: way in our office. We've always reviewed evidence, we followed 141 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: the law. You know, we never really were concerned about, 142 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 3: you know, what the end result was in terms of 143 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 3: the political landscape. And so here's somebody that brings in 144 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 3: an agenda and then refuses to discuss how we can 145 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 3: really you know, use the facts of the case and 146 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 3: the facts even of the defendant, considering each individual defendant 147 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 3: to make decisions. You know. It was it was just 148 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: a very to me lazy approach to criminal justice. And uh, 149 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 3: you know, I I tried the hardest I could to 150 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: make them listen to us and try to work together. 151 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 3: And you know, look, you know, we all know that 152 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 3: these ideas about reform and that's nothing new. It's not 153 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 3: like he created those ideas, right, Jackie Lacy spent a 154 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 3: significant amount of time, uh, you know, talking about mental 155 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 3: health and how we could incorporate that into our criminal 156 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: justice system. You know, we tried the fully did that 157 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 3: with three strikes. I mean, we're always forward thinking. So 158 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 3: it wasn't he didn't didn't come in and create in 159 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 3: you know, create public reform. It was it was something 160 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 3: that he tried to take credit for, but then just 161 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 3: you know, just do it in a very lazy way 162 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 3: and and very dangerous ways. 163 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: What do you know about this backlog of cases? We've 164 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: hearing about thirteen thousand felony cases not defiled yet or charged. 165 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 3: Yes, well that's what I keep hearing. It's about fourteen 166 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 3: thousand cases that have not been reviewed. And I think, personally, 167 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 3: I believe that that has to do with his centralization 168 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 3: of all filing operations, and that is really what caused 169 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: this backlog, because before each of the branch courts had 170 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 3: responsibility to file their own cases, and we never had 171 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 3: this kind of backlog in the past. So I really 172 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: believe that his approach. 173 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: Can I ask you what that literally means. Let's assume 174 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: all these crimes really were committed and that the perpetrators 175 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: are guilty. Fourteen thousand times a crime was committed, arrest 176 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: was made, they were charged with that crime, but they 177 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: have not been prosecuted, not by the DA's office. 178 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 3: Rout really is that is correct? And then again with 179 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 3: the new zero bail policy that went into effect, it 180 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 3: is most likely that all of these individuals are walking free. 181 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: That's insane. 182 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: Fourteen thousand felonies, all felonies, right, well. 183 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 3: They not necessarily. I mean some of the cases may 184 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: be misdemeanors. The felonies I would think would have gotten 185 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 3: quick a review, but you know, it's felonies, misdemeanors. And 186 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: I can tell you right now that I can guarantee 187 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 3: that most of those are property crimes, quality of life 188 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 3: crimes that affect our community on a daily basis. So 189 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 3: those are the types of crimes that are just backlock 190 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 3: sitting on somebody's desk, waiting to be well, now it's electronic, right, 191 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: so it's in the computer, but just waiting for somebody 192 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 3: to review. And we don't have the staffing, as you 193 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: have heard and you guys have talked about, right, we 194 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 3: don't have the staffing to be able to do anything 195 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 3: about this in an expeditious manner. 196 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: What's your take on all the talk about, you know, 197 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: the crime rates. We get all these stories and news 198 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: outfits like the La Times and even Gascon himself, there 199 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: were these really record low crime rates and people are 200 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 2: overreacting and the media is hyping up. What's your take 201 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 2: on all that, like the smashing, grabs and all that stuff. 202 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 3: Well, we're not making all of that up, are we. 203 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 3: So I think that the community when I talk, when 204 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 3: I'm out there talking to people in the community, they 205 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 3: feel it. I mean, you could talk all you want 206 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 3: about data, and you know, this is a study we did, 207 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,599 Speaker 3: but when you talk to the people in the community, 208 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: they're the ones being affected by these crimes, and it 209 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 3: you know, we we know talking to law enforcement as well, 210 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: that crimes are going unreported because nobody really they know 211 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 3: that nothing is going to happen right away. And when 212 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 3: we're talking about the property crimes, and law enforcement really 213 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 3: doesn't have an incentive to make arrests on these types 214 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 3: of crimes because they know that there's this backlog and 215 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 3: they know that there's going to be no consequences down 216 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 3: the line. So it is just a combination of all 217 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 3: of these things, whether it's a real or perceived fee, 218 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 3: and uh that people don't feel safe, it is based 219 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 3: on actual facts and evidence that is happening in our community. 220 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 3: So I really I don't understand when people say how 221 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 3: crime is down right now, because that is not what 222 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: people are experiencing. 223 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: Their numbers are fake numbers. It's like, come as, might 224 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: as well release those those statements. It's just not well. 225 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 3: And guests on too has used data and numbers before 226 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 3: to try to justify some of his policies that now 227 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 3: he has backed off on. So obviously you know, those 228 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 3: numbers I never trusted, especially coming from him. 229 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 2: All right, LA County Deputy District Attorney Maria Ramirez, thanks 230 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 2: for talking to us. It's Maria for DA dot com. Yes, 231 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: that is your website. All right, well, I'm sure we'll 232 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 2: talk to you again before March. 233 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 3: Yes, please anytime. I'd be happy to come and talk 234 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 3: to you. 235 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 2: Okay. That's she reached out to us because we talked 236 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: about a poll taken of candidates trying to replace George 237 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 2: Gascone and we were glad to have her on the show. 238 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: And she sounds excellent, uh, with over thirty years experience 239 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 2: in the LA County DA's office. That is Maria Ramirez. 240 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 2: And once again, if you want to find out more 241 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 2: about her candidacy, Maria four DA dot com have a 242 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 2: little bit more on the end of George Gascone. So 243 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 2: we hope coming up your chance to win money is next. 244 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: Johnny KENKFIAM six forty Live everywhere iHeartRadio app. 245 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 246 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 4: AM six forty. 247 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: All right, well, we just talked to a candidate for 248 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: George Gascone's job. Maria Ramirez is her name, thirty year 249 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 2: plus veteran of the La County District Attorney's office, James Queely, 250 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 2: Like James Queasy is the staff right? If they also 251 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 2: going to do Times who did a story over the 252 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: weekend about all of the challengers trying to get George 253 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 2: Gascone's job as La County District Attorney This one paragraph, 254 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: I'd like to spend a moment on it. During his 255 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 2: first term in office, Gascone has frequently been at odds 256 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 2: with his own prosecutors in law enforcement, who say is 257 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: pol He's aimed at reducing mass incarceration and racially disparate 258 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: outcomes in the criminal justice system have led to spikes 259 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: and violence. Data show the violent crime is trending down, 260 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: but some experts of caution against making connections between short 261 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: term shifts and the crime rate and the prosecutor's policies. 262 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 2: This diarrhea it is. 263 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: You know, it's sort of like trying to play it 264 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: both ways. Then, you know, I'm fed up with this stuff. 265 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: Everybody knows that that there's a lot of crime out there. 266 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: Everybody feels scared for a reason. Well, you notice the 267 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: underline violent crime. 268 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 2: They've been touting this thing that remember during the pandemic 269 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: the first year, there was a lot of murders around 270 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: the country. That apparently has tailed off. The murders it is, 271 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: but there's a lot of other crime that concerns people 272 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 2: that is not tailing off like that. 273 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: It is a distraction, and intentional distraction because again, what 274 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: Gascone wants is the same thing that the editors at 275 00:14:54,720 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: the El Segundo Times want. They want the prisons and deed. 276 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: So if they ever get a whiff of reality, which 277 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: says we've got to put these people back in prison, 278 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: what they do is they clabber you with a lot 279 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: of gibberish and nonsense. And the biggest gibberish is they 280 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: distract you with well, a violent crime is down. People 281 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: are afraid to walk the street period. They are because 282 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: you have in La County seventy thousand crazy people in 283 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: the street, seventy thousand people, most of them either mentally 284 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: ill or on some serious drug like meth most commonly. 285 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: So don't tell anybody that the streets are safe and 286 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: the crime is down, because your average vagrant in the street, 287 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: how many crimes does he commit? 288 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: Every day? Every day? These people are committing quality of 289 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 2: life crimes. 290 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: By the thousands, and seventy thousand people committing what do 291 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: you think, ten crimes a day? How much do they steal? 292 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: What do you think is doing all the shoplifting? How 293 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: many times are they taking a crap in the streets? 294 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: Paying in the streets? How many times are they harassing 295 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: passers by how many How many times are they stealing 296 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: stuff like bicycles, furniture? 297 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 2: I see it with my own eyes. 298 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: None of that's reported, none of that's in their stupid 299 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:26,359 Speaker 1: dated statistics. 300 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: Well, this time he's the incumbent and not the challenger, 301 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 2: and this is not twenty twenty, when after the death 302 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: of George Floyd, Holy mackerel, right, the whole world. You 303 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: had Garcetti taking a knee, you had the police chief 304 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: taking a knee. I think all that factor to drive 305 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 2: turnout for Gascon. I don't think that's gonna happen in 306 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, hopefully beginning with the primary. But I 307 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 2: gotta believe that he's got enough of those crazy people 308 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: that he'll still finish in the top two. But I 309 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 2: think possibly when it comes down to two people in 310 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 2: November of twenty twenty four, he can be knocked off 311 00:16:59,080 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 2: from that PA. 312 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: Everyone's got to focus on who they want in. I 313 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: don't think Gascone is going to recover. Nobody's going to 314 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: become a Gascon fan. He's not changing his politics policy, 315 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: he's not apologizing for what he's done. He hurts a 316 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 1: lot of people every day, causes a lot of suffering. 317 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: I mean fourteen thousand cases. He doesn't prosecute that alone. 318 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: He refusing to do his job. He has absconded, he 319 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: really really has nullified the job. Fourteen thousand. There's no 320 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: further debate. He's not coming back. So you know, he 321 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: did what he did, his damage. He's very proud of it, 322 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: and he knows he's dead. So the question is which 323 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: of the nine do you want to replace him? And 324 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: that's going to be the task, you know, for the 325 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: next five months till four months till we get to 326 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: the primary. Who do you want to replace him? Somebody will? 327 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 2: We're coming up Johnny Ken caf I AM six forty 328 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: Live everywhere iHeartRadio app. 329 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 330 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 4: AM six forty. 331 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: On the radio from one until four and then after 332 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: four o'clock you have John and Can on demand same 333 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: show as a podcast and you could listen to what 334 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: you missed and if you didn't listen. In the last 335 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: half hour, we had Maria Ramirezon, who's one of the 336 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: more popular replacement candidates for George Gascone. Listened to her 337 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: interview which we did at the start of the three 338 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: o'clock hour. 339 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 2: She's a da Yeah. They're pretty much all good, except 340 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 2: for the Schemerinsky character, who have to keep an eye on. Yes, 341 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 2: the son of a son of Jeffrey Schwerizky. Yeah, he 342 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 2: looks like a little wild card in there. 343 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: So No, he's his dad because his dad, Irwin Shecherminsky, 344 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: who was. Now I think the Berkeley Waldean was on 345 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: Gascone's transition committee, so so why would he challenge Gascone 346 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: then because they know they know guest Gones going down. 347 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 2: So they got the safety candidate. That's right. 348 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: You don't want a top two without Gascone. You don't 349 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: want two real prosecutors in the final two for the 350 00:18:59,160 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: November election. 351 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So they're going to be somebody who right 352 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 2: would still carry on them. All right, Then you're right. 353 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 2: We got to watch that aspect of the race too. 354 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 2: This is a whot. If you're thinking about future professions, 355 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: you might want to enter based on this New York 356 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 2: Times story, you might want to be a climate change therapist. 357 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: Apparently the demand is growing for people who want to 358 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 2: come in and do they still sit on the couch 359 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 2: or lie on the couch and talk about the profound 360 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 2: impact on their life concerns about climate change is having. 361 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: The story starts with a man by the name of 362 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 2: Andrew Bryant. He can remember when he thought of climate 363 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 2: change as primarily a problem of the future. When he 364 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 2: heard or read about troubling impacts, he found himself sitting 365 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 2: setting them. In the year twenty eighty a year that 366 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: not so coincidentally, would be a century after his own birth. 367 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 2: The changing climate, all the challenges that would bring were 368 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 2: scary and sad, but they were so far in the 369 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: future i'd be safe. Well, that was back in twenty fourteen. 370 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 2: Now he lives in the Pacific Northwest and he's actually 371 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 2: a clinical social worker and psychotherapists, treating people or patients 372 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: in private practice in Seattle, a largely affluent place. It 373 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 2: was once considered a potential refuge from climate disruption, but 374 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 2: climate change sometimes came up in therapy sessions in the 375 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 2: context of other issues, say a couple having arguments because 376 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: they couldn't decide if it was still ethical to have kids. 377 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: But it was rare and usually fairly theoretical. Yeah, what 378 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: are you saying, We got to put a pin on 379 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: that one. Couples actually have arguments over whether it's ethical 380 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: to have kids because of climate change. And that may 381 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,959 Speaker 1: sound nuts, but I saw a play on exactly that topic. 382 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: It was about a couple. Oh this matters to some 383 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: bubbles of people. Yes, yes, I know, and I'd say, 384 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: don't reproduce. 385 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: He got in that bubble. Everybody I know is having kids. 386 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: But sure, but it's out there. I know it is. 387 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: If you're afraid to have kids because what it's because 388 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: of what it's going to do with the climate, Please 389 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: don't have kids, all right? You're insane and you don't 390 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: want to pass your congenital insanity on to another generation. 391 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 2: Now, and you think about that, it is kind of 392 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 2: generational because when we actually had real environmental hazards, like 393 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: the decades ago, La had all that smog, and you 394 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: didn't see those pictures of the sky and nobody was there. 395 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: Weren't people running in for therapy then, were there? 396 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 3: No? 397 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: Because this is a mental and that's real poison. I 398 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: mean this because it's a mental disorder. And they teach 399 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: this in elementary school. In elementary school in most places, 400 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: they teach every day that we're destroying the climate and 401 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: we're all going to overheat and die. So by time 402 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: these kids become eighteen years old, they're basket cases. They 403 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: get in their twenties and they're supposed to make decisions 404 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: on marriage and having children, and they're paralyzed. They don't 405 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: know what to do. Should I have a kid, Should 406 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: I buy a car? I should I drive on my vacation? 407 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: They can't do anything because they think that the world's 408 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: going to end and it's their fault. 409 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 2: It almost looks in this story like we're coming to 410 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: a point where people could get PTSD for this. They 411 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 2: do they do with PTSD. They did this there. Studies 412 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 2: have found rates of PTSD spiking in the wink of disasters, 413 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: and in twenty seventeen, the American Psychological Association to FIGHTED 414 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 2: defined echo anxiety as a chronic fear of environmental doom. 415 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: Yes, because if you're told every day that the world's 416 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: gonna end and it's your fault, and look around every 417 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: action taken by every human being, right, you eat a 418 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: cheeseburger that's adding to climate change. You're driving to the 419 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: beach that's adding to climate change. You know, you're watering 420 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: your grass, You're causing climate damage. And it's made people nuts, unhinged, unbalanced, 421 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: complete whack jobs. And it's like a whole generation of people. 422 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: And you know what's funny about the story. The therapist 423 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: didn't really have an answer for this. I mean, they're 424 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: gonna charge, you know, two fifty an hour, whatever psychiatrists charge, 425 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: they're gonna charge for this. 426 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 2: But then don't know what to do. What are you 427 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 2: gonna tell somebody. There was that joke in there that 428 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: people are going to come in here and want to 429 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 2: talk about their climate anxiety, and instead all I do 430 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: is turn to them and say, so, tell me about 431 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 2: your mother, Yeah, which is where a lot of anxieties 432 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: in life come from. Your mother's. That's true. It's not 433 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 2: a joke. That's real. I got this when I popped 434 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: the story up here on the screen. People's comments came 435 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 2: down the right hand side. Terry in California posted five 436 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 2: hours ago, the feelings of sadness frustration of being overwhelmed 437 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 2: by society's indifference to climate change is the same for 438 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 2: people dealing with animal rights issues. 439 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: And he kind of saw that comment, didn't you it is. 440 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: I'm telling you it is. You could come up with 441 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: some kind of umbrella term, but it's all mental illness. 442 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,719 Speaker 1: They're obsessed about animal rights, they're obsessed about climate change. 443 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 2: COVID was a great. 444 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: Depository for the mentally ill, and some of them are 445 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 1: still walking around with their stupid mass. 446 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 2: These are generally people who are better educated and better 447 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 2: and they're more well off, so they don't have the 448 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 2: day to day problems of the middle class and the 449 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 2: lower class and don't right, So there's something, but they 450 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 2: have a personality that wants to fret over something. Yes, 451 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 2: I know plenty of wealthy people, by all educated people, 452 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 2: they're not in this class. But there is a subgroup 453 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 2: in what I just described that they need to fret 454 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 2: over something, right, and they are a huge contingent. I 455 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 2: call them the four w's, White wealthy, woke women, and 456 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 2: they contribute to all these activist groups, all these activist 457 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 2: political candidates that are causing so much damage. They're they're 458 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 2: on all the committees, They're in all the groups. They're 459 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: they're they're afraid of everything. The the the environment is terrible, 460 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 2: and they're they're worried about you know, they want to 461 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 2: they want reparations, like the whole bit. 462 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: Right, everything's wrong and we need to fix it. Everything 463 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: has to be fixed. The US is a complete mess 464 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: and it's a time to turn it around. And they 465 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 1: probably all blame their husbands for it. 466 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 2: We will return John and kf I Am six forty 467 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 2: live everywhere iHeartRadio app. 468 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 4: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 469 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 4: AM six forty. 470 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 2: Well, you know, continuing with the theme of a quote 471 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 2: climate change, you know how they say that very few 472 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 2: of the criminals are responsible for a large percentage of 473 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 2: the crimes. Well, that brings us to this. The United 474 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 2: States is apparently the biggest consumer of beef in the world, 475 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 2: and according to a recent study, just twelve percent of 476 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 2: people in the US account for half of all the 477 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 2: beef consumed. So I don't count how much does John 478 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: account for. I was gonna say he's got to be 479 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:39,719 Speaker 2: in that twelve percent. 480 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: I account for six percent of all the beef consumed 481 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: just by myself. 482 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: Very likely. Although do you actually have hamburgers on the 483 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 2: weekend too? Or occasionally not as much? Because I know, 484 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 2: coming into work, you stop and pick up something probably 485 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 2: you don't like eating. You forget about it, and you're 486 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 2: just like, all right, just give me a cheese steak. 487 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: Er, right, yeah, no lunch. I need a big lunch 488 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: to provide me with the through fuel. Yeah, so you 489 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: can be angry enough, because meat's supposed to make you angry. Yeah, 490 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 1: I supposed to be a driver in the brain of 491 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: oh yeah, hostile. By the time I get into the 492 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: elevator here, I'm ready to assault people. 493 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 2: Well. The study author is Diego Rose, profession and director 494 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: of nutrition at Tulane, but A Wiener and Diego said, 495 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: it may be that some of those twelve percent don't 496 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 2: realize the impacts that beef has on the health or 497 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 2: the environment. Oh yeah, right again with the environment. 498 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: Are you eating a disproportionate amount of beef? John Coe 499 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: beilt a disproportionate? That word is applied to everything. Now 500 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: that the's left wing equity, right, everything is disproportionate. Okay, 501 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: what is the proportionate amount of beef I should eat? 502 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 3: Oh? 503 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 2: Look at this, men and people between the ages of 504 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 2: fifty and sixty five are more likely to be in 505 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 2: what they dubbed disproportionate beef eater category. There you go. 506 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 2: We it's defined as someone who eats more than four 507 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 2: ounces or off equivalent of a daily Yes, four four ounces? 508 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 2: Is that about one hamburger? 509 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: That's not even one of those flimsy McDonald's burgers. 510 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 2: Oh like the old single burger, right, I still buy those. 511 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: I don't buy Big Max or anything. You don't eat one, though, No, 512 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 2: you eat two? Yeah, there you go. You got to 513 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 2: have a minimum of eight ounces half pounds. And then 514 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 2: it goes on to give the fascinating history of beef 515 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 2: in the United States. Apparently beef was first introduced in 516 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: North America's European colonizers cleared indigenous land and wildlife like bison. 517 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 2: There you go, that's right. Apparently immigrants from Europe actually 518 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 2: only had meat on special occasions. But that kind of 519 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: changed because we had all this land and all these animals, and. 520 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: So you could make it cheaply because you had a 521 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: lot of room to grow the beef. And then people 522 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: started going, that's tasty. Yeah, nothing tastes better. Give me 523 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: more except bacon, bacon. But you see, the whole thing 524 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: is you know, so, of course European colonizers, Okay, I 525 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: like beef. They killed Native Americans in order to grow. Right, 526 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: It's just like the pumpkin spice last week is racist. 527 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: Now eating beef is support of murderous colonizers. 528 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 5: Conways here, Wow, what an introduction. Let's try to get. 529 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 2: Best murderous colonizer. Here's a murderous colonizer, Tim Conway. 530 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 5: Hey, you remember when you were a kid and mom 531 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 5: made bacon or dad and used to padd it dry 532 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 5: on a paper towel, and you thought you were doing 533 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 5: something healthy for yourself. 534 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 2: People do that with pizza too. It's like I'm a 535 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 2: live forever. 536 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm patting the nine pounds of fat out of 537 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 5: this thing. Americans are overdue on their car payments at 538 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 5: a level not seen in nearly thirty years. Would I 539 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 5: tell you good deals are coming around the corner. 540 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're heading for a big bust. That's yeah. 541 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 5: Last Airline's a flight from Washington down to California, and 542 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 5: the reserved. The guy who sits in the jump seat 543 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 5: just needs a lift, gets out of his seat, goes 544 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 5: in the cockpit and tries to shut the engines off. 545 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: What a guy he's He's mister squeaky clean. 546 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: He's one of these guys that everybody that's that's why 547 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: it's dangerous. Like like, I was talking to a friend 548 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: of mine and he said, it's not the racist that 549 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: is screaming stuff on the corner you're worried about. 550 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 5: It's the guy in the house who never says anything. Right, 551 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 5: I know that you're worried about. 552 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got a plan, right, quiet plan. 553 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: He's got this pretty wife, two really cute kids, typical 554 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: suburban house up in northern California, and he's seething inside. 555 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 2: Keep your eye on the quiet guy. You used to 556 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 2: say that. 557 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 5: George Carlin used to say that. Oh yeah, yeah, he said. 558 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 5: He said, Well, let me let me try dispute that. 559 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 5: You go into a bar and there's one guy down 560 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 5: at the end of the bar in an Oxford sweater, 561 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 5: reading poetry quietly to himself. There's another guy at the 562 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 5: end of the bar, slamming an axe down, saying, if 563 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 5: I don't get a drink in the next five seconds, 564 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 5: I'm gonna kill someone. 565 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 2: Who do you keep an eye on? 566 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 5: Alex Stone is coming on with us from ABC News. 567 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 5: We'll talk about that in that plane that almost crash, 568 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 5: that would have been a big deal. And then Jane 569 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 5: Wells is coming on with us and Adam Sandler. All right, 570 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 5: the Adam Sandler is in the news. Oh, full for 571 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 5: it every time. 572 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, Kenny, big God, big dong with you. 573 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 2: Frankster Conrad next, Yeah, with his fake guests. 574 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 5: Hey, Alex Stone, I resent that Alex is not fa legitimate. 575 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 2: Jane Wells, I'll agree with you there. 576 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Grasier's got the news. Yeah, live the CAF twenty 577 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: four hour newsroom. 578 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 2: Hey, you've been listening to the John and Ken Show. 579 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 2: You can always hear us live on kf I Am 580 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 2: six forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday, 581 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 2: and of course, anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app