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Speaker 1: Hello, guys, I've got great news. I'm a finalist for

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Speaker 1: bottom of my heart for making club a success. Hello,

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Speaker 1: I'm Shannon Sharp. Welcome to another edition of Club Shashay.

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Speaker 1: I am your host, also the proprietor of Club Sha

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Speaker 1: Shake and the guy that's stopping by for a drinking

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Speaker 1: conversation today. Is three time NBA sixth Man of the Year.

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Speaker 1: He's the all time leader in four point plays, he's

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Speaker 1: the only man to drop fifty with four different teams,

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Speaker 1: and he's the oldest player in NBA history to score

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Speaker 1: fifty points in the ball game. Jamal Crawford all my

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Speaker 1: life and grinding all my life, sacri Fice, hustle back price,

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Speaker 1: one slice got the dice swathing all my life. I've

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Speaker 1: been grinding in all my life, all my life and

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Speaker 1: rinding all my life, sacond Fice, hustle back Price, one

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Speaker 1: slice got the dice to swathing all my life. I've

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Speaker 1: been grinding all my life. Jamal, How you doing, I'm good.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. How you doing? I'm good. I'm good,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for stopping by. So what are you currently doing?

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Speaker 1: Remote schooling is getting most of my attention to start.

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Speaker 1: You know, I got three younger kids in the house

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Speaker 1: once they get settled and get everything going, me my

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Speaker 1: get an opportunity to come back and play? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm working like a you know, opportunity is there,

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Speaker 1: and if it doesn't happen, I'm doing it for me anyway,

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Speaker 1: just love of the game, you know, and nothing can

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Speaker 1: replace that feeling. I think I can still help, to

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Speaker 1: trying to be patient and look at the glasses have full.

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Speaker 1: So even after twenty years, you played twenty seasons, you've

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Speaker 1: accomplished probably more than you thought you would at this point,

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Speaker 1: and you still want more, You still have that, you

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Speaker 1: still have that drive to say, you know what, I

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Speaker 1: can still help a team. Absolutely, I would be playing

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Speaker 1: whenever it's a fish all retire, I'll be playing after that.

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Speaker 1: I'll be at the LA Fitness or a twenty four

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Speaker 1: love of the game. That's the only thing that's about

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Speaker 1: for the contender. No, I would love to play for

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Speaker 1: a contender, But obviously, you know, it's not always about

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Speaker 1: the destination. Sometimes the journey, and I went through it

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Speaker 1: vets around me learned that being on time is being

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Speaker 1: It wasn't until he accepted the role. I'm coming up

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Speaker 1: He said, you know what, I trust you guys. I

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Speaker 1: it's ever gonna be done again. A guy plays with

427
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Speaker 1: four different teams and he's able to score full fifty

428
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Speaker 1: with four different teams. What do you remember about each

429
00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,720
Speaker 1: fifty point game in those in the specifics of the team.

430
00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,800
Speaker 1: The first one with the Bulls, it was roaming the drafts.

431
00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,760
Speaker 1: You looked this up roaming the drafts, he says, my

432
00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,800
Speaker 1: last game on the beat, this pre game. You know

433
00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,520
Speaker 1: you're doing scrum, He says, my last game on the beat,

434
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Speaker 1: you could score. Go give me fifty a night. And

435
00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:23,959
Speaker 1: I looked in our turned serious. So I'm gonna get

436
00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,199
Speaker 1: fifty to night. And I wouldn't got fifty in Toronto.

437
00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,080
Speaker 1: And I remember I was wearing some s dot carters

438
00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,520
Speaker 1: and jay Z texted me after the game said it

439
00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,760
Speaker 1: must be the shoes, you know. So that was the

440
00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,800
Speaker 1: second one was against Miami and they had just won

441
00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,640
Speaker 1: the championship. And like I said, I missed the first

442
00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,040
Speaker 1: four shots, and then I score forty two straight points

443
00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,520
Speaker 1: whereout the missed. So it was like it was like

444
00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,840
Speaker 1: a video game. I was coming down. I hit sixteen

445
00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,680
Speaker 1: straight shots at one game, and at those sixteen, eight

446
00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,280
Speaker 1: of them with threes, Like I was, that was the

447
00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:52,760
Speaker 1: hottest night of my life to me. If I would

448
00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,520
Speaker 1: stay I came out with seven minutes ago, so if

449
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Speaker 1: I would stayed in, it probably would have been like

450
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Speaker 1: sixty five. I believe you know. That was probably the

451
00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:01,520
Speaker 1: hottest night. The third one was again Charlotte, and that

452
00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,560
Speaker 1: was maybe the easiest one to be honest. I shot

453
00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,520
Speaker 1: a lot of free throws. I shot eighteen free throws,

454
00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,760
Speaker 1: and I had a rough game the night before in Atlanta,

455
00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,679
Speaker 1: and I remember don Nielson said, you know what, we're

456
00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,200
Speaker 1: not having shoot around and sleeping all day. I slept

457
00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,200
Speaker 1: all day and had fifty. The last one was probably

458
00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,640
Speaker 1: the most impressive personally, because that's what people are like, Oh,

459
00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,359
Speaker 1: he's year nineteen, he can't do this no more, you know,

460
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,280
Speaker 1: doing it on Dirk's night, of course, and everybody's there

461
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,320
Speaker 1: watching all the legends there, Charles barking everybody there, and

462
00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,160
Speaker 1: to do it off the bench. And I've been come

463
00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,160
Speaker 1: off the bench for over a decade and I had

464
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,879
Speaker 1: really good games games. I'm like, man, if I was

465
00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,199
Speaker 1: starting this to be fifty, they had the opportunity to

466
00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,040
Speaker 1: do that, To score fifty off the bench and five

467
00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 1: assists and five rebounds, it would have been unbelievable to win.

468
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,639
Speaker 1: That's the only game I ever score fifty and loss,

469
00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,320
Speaker 1: but on Dirk's night to celebrate with him, it was.

470
00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,800
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable feeling when you hit the sixteen straight shots?

471
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Speaker 1: Had you ever been that hot before? And had you

472
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,000
Speaker 1: ever been that hot? Since? I had never been that

473
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,359
Speaker 1: hot before. I may hit ten in a row, they

474
00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,480
Speaker 1: miss one, They hit another two and miss one and

475
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,800
Speaker 1: miss not sixteenth straight. It felt like I could have

476
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,359
Speaker 1: kicked it up there. You know. That was that was

477
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,200
Speaker 1: the mina, the heat. They just won the championship the

478
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,520
Speaker 1: year before. It was that open to night that you

479
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,080
Speaker 1: got do it now. It wasn't open to night. It

480
00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,240
Speaker 1: was it was in January, I believe, okay January, but

481
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:16,919
Speaker 1: they had just won a year before, you know, so

482
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,880
Speaker 1: when they come in town, the guard it's it's a show.

483
00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:24,200
Speaker 1: You got Watt, Yeah, it was a show. Yeah, you

484
00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 1: you played. You played last year for like with Brooklyn,

485
00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,719
Speaker 1: you mentioned when they went down into the bubble, you

486
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Speaker 1: had a five You had a five point game in

487
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Speaker 1: five minutes. Did playing in that situation lead you to

488
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Speaker 1: believe that, you know what I can can see. I

489
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 1: can still play. I can still give somebody fifteen minutes

490
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Speaker 1: a night and maybe give them double digit points. I'm

491
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Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna tell you two things to that. Absolutely,

492
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 1: I went to practice. I got there late. I went

493
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,679
Speaker 1: to practice, and practice looked just like the game did. Now.

494
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 1: I didn't want to just come back against anybody Milwalke

495
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Speaker 1: at the time it is number one of the East.

496
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Speaker 1: I said, I want to come back against somebody nice.

497
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: So for that five minute stretch it was I mean

498
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 1: I had five points and three assists five minutes right,

499
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 1: and the whole game the complexion game change. And for

500
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 1: my team base, it was what they had seen in practice.

501
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,119
Speaker 1: The crazy part about the hamstring was the hamstring. And

502
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 1: I'm telling you this, I've never said it. The hamstring

503
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 1: happened in the weight room. I never left weights. I'm

504
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 1: notorious from lifting not lifting weights and just gonna, you know,

505
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 1: do my routine and go do my thing. But here

506
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 1: I am being blessed enough to get a call to

507
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 1: the new teams and I'm not doing the weight but

508
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that, and you know I left. I

509
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 1: guess just that was too quick a turnaround from the

510
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Speaker 1: weights to not playing for sixteen months, to the weights

511
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Speaker 1: to right to the game. But now I feel great now,

512
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, it confirmed what I believe I knew previous

513
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 1: previous season. I'm looking at you, and I'm looking at you.

514
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Speaker 1: Played a lot of different teams. You mentioned the Bulls,

515
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Speaker 1: you mentioned Toronto, you mentioned you, So you played with

516
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 1: a lot of great players, the Clippers. When you around

517
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Speaker 1: those great players, I mean, what is you? How do

518
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 1: you like? I guess it's different from basketball because you

519
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: know you're trying not to step on anybody told but

520
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 1: I got a job to do here. I also got

521
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 1: a job. I understand you are who you are, but

522
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 1: I got a job to do. How do you? How

523
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Speaker 1: do you manage that? Because from what I see and

524
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,479
Speaker 1: from what I hear, basketball player egos are a lot

525
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: different than football players egos. Well, I was less play

526
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: some great superstars every superstar playing with and every star

527
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 1: player play with empower them. They said, no, no, no no,

528
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 1: you do what you do. You know, if you look

529
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: back at the Clippers, I was there five years. We

530
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: had two superstars and Chris Paul and Black Griffin. Then

531
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: DeAndre Jordan became a star. For five years, I was

532
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 1: top five in the league and fourth quarter scoring in

533
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 1: the whole league when I was with the Clippers. So

534
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: they empowered me to say, you know what, we're superstars.

535
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna do our thing. We're gonna leave it scho

536
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, the fourth court of your time. So they

537
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: never tried to say slow down or any of that.

538
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: They empowered me and wanted me to be better because

539
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Speaker 1: they feel I can help our TV be better. So

540
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Speaker 1: I was. I was blessed players some great great players

541
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Speaker 1: you mentioned. I mean, playing with so many great players

542
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: and there they're empower you. So when you say they

543
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: empower you, how would someone not empower you to do

544
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: your job? And what can a superstar do to like

545
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: guys don't feel comfortable being themselves. Well, for me, in

546
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 1: my game, you've seen I take some crazy shots. So

547
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: if they come off and say, hey, hey man, you

548
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: can slow down. You know, then it's gonna get me thinking,

549
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: you know. And the worst thing, especially a basketball player,

550
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: a shooter could do is think. So you know, if

551
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: they gets you thinking, then now you're like, oh, no,

552
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 1: men going this way. Now you're not aggressive. And I've

553
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: never been a defender to that degree. So I'm gonna

554
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: be on the bench by maybe something happening offensive, you know.

555
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 1: And they've always said, no, no, go be that attacker.

556
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: Go be that guy that you know, kind of like

557
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: not our secret weapon, but you know, one of our guns,

558
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: and gonna make it happen. They've always done that in

559
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: most coaches I played forever done that, especially a guy

560
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: like Doc Rivers. He never held what I didn't do

561
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: well against me. You always empowered me as well, and

562
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Speaker 1: I think that helped me in my career as well.

563
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: Why weren't you guys able to get it done with

564
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: the Clippers? You mentioned you have Blake Griffin, you have

565
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: Chris Paul, who's one of the premium point guards who's

566
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: gonna be all time great. You have DeAndre Jordan, a

567
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: buttons super star at the time. Why weren't you guys

568
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: able to get the ball across the road? I mean

569
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 1: crossed the Phenis line. I think it was two things.

570
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: I think one, we had some bad breaks, you know,

571
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Speaker 1: in the five minute stretch in the playoffs. At one

572
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: point Chris, I think he Blake breaks his hand. I

573
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 1: think Chris fools a hamstringer's you can go. Look, we're

574
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Speaker 1: playing the Portland Truble Bladies Rup two on the series.

575
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: This is a five minute stretch. There was some other injuries.

576
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Speaker 1: But to be very very honest, I think we weren't

577
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Speaker 1: mentually ready to take that step. I think at the

578
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: time we were all thinking about our youth off. We

579
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Speaker 1: don't get it done this time, don't want to get

580
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: it done, don't get it the first time. We got

581
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: time on our sides right, and you look at it

582
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 1: seemed like even okay, see at the time when they

583
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: played Miami in the finals, it took years for even

584
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 1: one of those guys to get back to the finals.

585
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 1: Between the drell rust working hard, you know. So I

586
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: think we weren't mentally ready to take that next step,

587
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: and I think in the end it costs us. But

588
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: people talk about the the butting of the heads between Chris,

589
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: Paul and Blake. Did you notice it? Did you notice it?

590
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: Did you feel like there is tension between those two

591
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: guys because superstars normally somebody has to say take a

592
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: back seat with Jordan, Pipp Pipping knew, I ain't I

593
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: ain't better than Jordan. I'm cool. But Shaq and Colby

594
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: had some tension because Kobe like hold off, bruh, Hey,

595
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: I'm level. So for us it was interesting because it

596
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,959
Speaker 1: was weird because not just those two. You can pick

597
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: up on little things here there throughout our tea, right.

598
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: We never never just addressed it. We never just addressed it,

599
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: dealt with I don't know because off the court we

600
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 1: were cool. Everybody was cool, right, but we never addressed

601
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: it head on. And I think that was the rule

602
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: of the problems is when it gets tough and now

603
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,120
Speaker 1: somebody say something, you don't know what kind of places

604
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: coming from, because you guys have never addressed it head on.

605
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: What's your faith? What you say? But home right? Right right?

606
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: But you got tenure, that's where you supposed to step

607
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: in because you were there. I mean you you were

608
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: were at that time. You had been in the league

609
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: six seven, eight years. Absolutely, Why didn't you Why didn't

610
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: because you the og? Why didn't you pull CP aside,

611
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: Why did you pull a Blakers aside? Why did you

612
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: guys go to dinner? And says God, look in order

613
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: up In order for us to get to ultimately where

614
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: we need to be, we gotta be together, and we're not.

615
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: We had those meats, we had those talks. We definitely

616
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: have them, you know, but it just we never all

617
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: and it wasn't just those two. We've never all got

618
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: on the same page. If you look, and I'm telling

619
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: you that for that five year stretch, I think we

620
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: were third or fourth of the league and wins like

621
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: we were winning a bunch of games, but when it counted,

622
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: either be bad luck or us never addressing what was

623
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Speaker 1: really going on, the elephant the room through all of us,

624
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: it didn't happen. And that's something I think if you

625
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: look back on now, we all regret. Did you know, dude,

626
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: we know what the elephant in the room is. Where

627
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: they buying for? Okay, this is my team, No, this

628
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: is my team. No, this is my team. I was

629
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: here the longest. I'm the best player. What is it?

630
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: That's the thing. Like both of them was very comfortable

631
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: who they were. If you look at that time, they

632
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: both were probably top two or three with Lebron and

633
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 1: Kdi that had the most commercials out there. So it

634
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: wasn't like this is my team this It was just

635
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: a weird dynamic. And like I said, just wasn't those two.

636
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: It's spread throughout the team and we never got on

637
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: the same page and it always came to a hall

638
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: we're in the toughest moments in the playoffs because sometimes

639
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: when you have situations like that, the teams end up

640
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: choosing sides. You get if you got a fifteen man

641
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: locker room and you got two superstars to you know,

642
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: half of the guys going with him and have the

643
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: guys over there, and that serves no purpose for anyone, No,

644
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: not at all. But that wasn't the issue. We were

645
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: both Everybody was cool with both of them, like they

646
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: brought good dudes. We It was cool with everybody. That's

647
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: why it's so weird. It wasn't like, man, this was

648
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: going on, we gotta handle this and the these two

649
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: and it wasn't like that, like they were very cordially

650
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: they would talk everything is cool. But it was just

651
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: something bubbling throughout our team that we didn't address and

652
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: it costs us by the one your Phoenix. You mentioned

653
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: book You mentioned Britt, you mentioned the guys, some of

654
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: the guys DeAndre Ayton, that guys that you played with.

655
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: When we talk about Devin Booker, everybody says that we

656
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: saw the seventy point game that he had. Did you

657
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: know he had that anything? You know? I didn't know

658
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: about booking to our song him. I didn't know that

659
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: winning mattered to him as much as it did. And

660
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is I looked at him

661
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: from a distance, like, Yeah, he's putting up all these

662
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: points and they're losing every game, right, He's scoring a

663
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: bunch of losing. But then once I got next to

664
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: him and we start playing one on one every day

665
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: and we start talking the game and seeing how competitive

666
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: he was even with practices of scrimmage, I'm like, oh,

667
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: this was a dog, Like he's gonna be just fine

668
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: when when the pieces around him are set up a

669
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: proper way, right, and now they're reaking the benefits of

670
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: it well, CP coming he changed the whole complexion along

671
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: with their growth in terms but getting the money, William,

672
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 1: He's getting You know, coaches like that vet, coaches who

673
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: are stable and know who they are along with what's

674
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: going on. It's no surprise that we're doing well. How

675
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: would you describe your play? Are you better suited to

676
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: play with younger players because they're gonna listen to it,

677
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: or older players? Are you just I mean you like

678
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: I roll with the punches. That's what That's what I'm

679
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: most proud about my career. I could adjust. I've had

680
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: twenty different coaches. So imagine you when you go to college,

681
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: right or your first four years. You got one coach

682
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: He's like, you know what, I want you to number one?

683
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: To see The second coach is like, nah, next year. Now,

684
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: I want you to be number two next year. Like

685
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: now you're caught the bits too. Next like you might

686
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: be a tight end. You just have to adjust and

687
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: it just the whole time, and never lose yourself and

688
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: still be true to who you are, still find a

689
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: way to make it happen. That's what I'm most proud about.

690
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: Something for me, I think an older team would lead

691
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: on me more to make it happen on the court.

692
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: I think the younger team will probably lead on me

693
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: more off the courts to make it happen. Do you

694
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,719
Speaker 1: have a hook you ever says something to tick you off, like,

695
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: ru let me do me. Yeah, I've had some coaches.

696
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: I've had some coaches. I play. I played crazy style,

697
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: and I get it. I'm an acquired taste. My style

698
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: isn't for everybody. Everybody, No, I'm not for everybody. You

699
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: ain't gonna eat the hot sauce on your pancake, whatever

700
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: it might be. I get it. So for me, you know,

701
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: I just tried to learn about myself. Is I usually

702
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: have more fun and more success with guys who actually

703
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: played that I'm playing for them because they know you

704
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: can go for three or four. They turned around, you know,

705
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: they know that some guys that haven't played maybe not

706
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: know that. The field of the game all He's off tonight,

707
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: he missed two shots. I'm like, no, I'm just getting

708
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: in the game. Now I'm getting out of it. So yeah,

709
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: I've had that happened before, and I'm just trying to

710
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: adjusting roll with the punches. Let's talk about Doc. Doc

711
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: had great success in Boston. He moves to La. You

712
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: guys are having success with the Clippers, but for whatever reason,

713
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, he's not able. Even after getting Kawaii,

714
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: after getting Paul George, bringing on some other guys, he's

715
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: not able to get it over the Finnish line. They

716
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: have a three one league. They're up by double digits

717
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: in all those games, five, six, and seven. They don't

718
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: get it done. He moves on. Are you surprised that

719
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: he wasn't able to get it done with last year's roster?

720
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: And what do you think about the job he's doing

721
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: in Philly right now? Yeah, I'm surprised. Being a three one,

722
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,719
Speaker 1: I just knew they'd find a way to gay, you know.

723
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: But it's it's a slippery slope. It's a it's a

724
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: touchy thing because now if you lose that one, I'm

725
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: picked up three one one and lost, you know. And

726
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: we we played Houston, we lost and was down three,

727
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: it was up three two. It was like, oh, we're

728
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: gonna fish at home. We're up in game six, nineteen

729
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, nineteen to fourth quarter at home. You can

730
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: simulate that one hundred times and ninety nine times, and

731
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: they work in our favor and that bigby the one

732
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: time it did right, and they're best player. James Harden

733
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: didn't play one second in the fourth quarter, so they

734
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: came back with Prigioni, John Smith, Jason Terry, Corey Brewer

735
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: and Dwight how Right. So I've been in that locker

736
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: room in that situation before it's three one sounds like

737
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: a why margin. But after three two, now they start

738
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: getting faith. We ain't got none to lose, man, I mean, look,

739
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: Lebron and those guys did it. It's the Warriors, right,

740
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean in it, And when it

741
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: gets game seven, everybody's tight, you like off Man like

742
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: they got momentum. So I was surprised I didn't finish it.

743
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: Seeing the job he's doing in Philadelphia, I'm not surprised

744
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: because I knew if anybody can get Ben Simmons and

745
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: Embed on the same page and get that team believing

746
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: and get them over the hump. I remember texting them like,

747
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: all you're gonna take them to the next level. I

748
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: just knew it. I know he's saying, no, it's about

749
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: I know how you get to everybody to buying the team,

750
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: and that's exactly thing. But it seemed to me that

751
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: on Doc's exit the Superstars, they threw Doc under the bus.

752
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: Is that? And what I'm seeing now as they play,

753
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: maybe it's the same things you're seeing in clutch situations.

754
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: They can't get stops defensively and they can't execute offensively,

755
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: the same thing that happened in that three one league.

756
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And you know at the regular season, especially

757
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: when you come to a new teams got building, those happens.

758
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: I remember Dogs always saying it'll be game you know,

759
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: thirty five, and playing in Utah. It's like, yeah, it

760
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: worked tonight, but it's not gonna work in the Western Conference, Semis,

761
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,719
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work in the playoffs, you know. So

762
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: he's always thinking long term. So I'm gonna give the

763
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt, especially until I see them under

764
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: that fire right now. You know, they still figure stuff out.

765
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: They still got another half of the season. I wouldn't

766
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: see where they're at when the playoffs come around and

767
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: see if the Justice Ama but the two the two superstars,

768
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: what are they figure it out? You're like, okay, put

769
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: the ball in the basket. Okay. Now, I was told

770
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard this. Also, you're talking

771
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: about the two greatest wing defenders, says Pip and Jordan,

772
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: and I see Luca on a condo line. I see

773
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: Bradley Beal. You can't be a defensive team if you

774
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: let the Stars go get ten fifteen points over the

775
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: season average. You're absolutely right, You're absolutely right. But Luca

776
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: did it last night too. And oh so that's what

777
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: I need to hear you say. I wasn't in that

778
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: particular locker room, so I don't know exactly, but I'm

779
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: sure when it's when it's time to play the blame game,

780
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 1: it's easy to find that. You know. I think it's

781
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: a combination everybody. I think it's a combination to everybody.

782
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: I've always said that a team to lose the tick.

783
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: But you can't let Luca do that. The rest of

784
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: let Luke do it. No, But but the rest of

785
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: the league ain't got the best two best wing defender,

786
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 1: Saint Jordan pill That's true. Sometimes people got your number

787
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: though you know it maybe just a certain matchup and

788
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: I didn't want Tatum. Jason Tatum got the number two.

789
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: That's a bad boy. That's another bad boy. K Kyrie.

790
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: I say, I know a lot of people got that

791
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: they list They need to get a listed number because

792
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: the re pumbling, because that was just dialing them up.

793
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: But one thing we do know, it's why it's almost

794
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: like a robot. You know, he's gonna be there. You know,

795
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: he's crudely. He got two championships. He's a lockdown defender.

796
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: When it's time to be there, he would be. Are

797
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: we sure about this? Not see? I think you're talking

798
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: about the chair from San Antonio. We haven't seen that guy.

799
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: Well in Toronto, we saw that guy. No, no, no, no,

800
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: we saw we saw them build a wall. We saw

801
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: Katie get hurt. We saw Clay Thomas and get hurt.

802
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: We hadn't seen Kay. We haven't seen Kawhi fit in

803
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: that chair in the long time. Gold On Now we

804
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: just talked about how the league is now. You can't

805
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: attention no more. So it's gonna take a wall to

806
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: stop anybody anyway these days now anyway, man, So you

807
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: who you like? Who you like in the West? Then

808
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: you like the Clippers, you like the Lakers, You're like Utah,

809
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: you like the Nuggets, like I like the Lakers in

810
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: the West. I like the Lakers in the West. I

811
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: like Brooklyn and the East. I think that's the I

812
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: think that's the finals matchup. That's my friend. I think

813
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: that's the matchup everybody wants to see. That's the one

814
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: everybody wants to see. So fingers crossing. Both of those

815
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: guys do what they're supposed to do and they get

816
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: where we see these guys at the highest level. What's

817
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: your favorite team you played on. I would say the

818
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: Clippers and the Knicks. And the Knicks we weren't the

819
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: good at the time, but there's nothing like playing the

820
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: Garden and it's like you're on stage performing. I remember

821
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: one game, Samuel Jackson came in the game and I

822
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: wasn't playing. He was a cross court and I had

823
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: a suit on him. Sit, well, you ain't playing, I

824
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: said my hand. I was on my hand, like I'll

825
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: only come to watch you play. So just moments like that,

826
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: you don't forget. You can't. You can't duplicate that energy

827
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 1: that's in the Garden anyway. And then the Clippers because

828
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,959
Speaker 1: I feel like we should I'm not saying we should

829
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: have won a championship, but I feel like we should

830
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: at least make the finals one two times, even though

831
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: you weren't the energy. Because everybody understands the Garden. We

832
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: understand what happens in the garden, just not basketball game.

833
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: You have any performing concerts and Kevin Hart selling out

834
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: comedy show boxing matches, Yeah, right, So you have so

835
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: much of in the history of the Garden. Do you

836
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: believe if you guys, one of you guys had gotten

837
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: to an NBA gotten to the finals on that team,

838
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: you guys have been rock stars, celebrities. We walked on air,

839
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: You would literally walk on their Screenwale came even walking

840
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: around New York right now. That was twenty years ago

841
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: when they went to the final. So yeah, I think

842
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: we'd be walking on air. We wouldn't pay for any meals,

843
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: any anything in town forever. Donald Sterling, you were there, Yeah,

844
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: we all here. Look, I live in la now and

845
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: there's not very many buildings that you can pass, specially

846
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: here in Beverly Hills and on Wilshire that doesn't have

847
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: Sterling on it. So we know he's a big presence.

848
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: Did you know you heard you a thing? But did

849
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: you know it was to that extent in which he

850
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: did not like Blacks? No, I had zero idea. Obviously,

851
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: I heard he was different, you know, he's low weary,

852
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: had these weird white parties and things that nature. I

853
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: heard all that and even like, but he wasn't present

854
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: with our team in my years there before he got

855
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, removed he came in the locker room one time,

856
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: so it wasn't like he was in across the work,

857
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: but he wouldn't say nothing, right. We saw him lock

858
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: room one time, so when we heard that this could

859
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: potentially come out, we were like, Okay, well he's already

860
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: a little weird, a little different, so wouldn't he say

861
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: that's without us knowing what was said? Right then when

862
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: we hear the tapes, now it's taking on a whole

863
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: different life of the own. You know. Now, at the time,

864
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: social media just kind of started, and you had people

865
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: giving their opinion about what they should do and what

866
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: you should do, and this is y'all's moment, this is

867
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: y'all's you know, you gotta take a stand. And we

868
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: even had some players from Golden States say, hey, if

869
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: you guys don't want to play, we won't play either,

870
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: you know. So it was it was deep and when

871
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: we had do that and time, but he didn't need

872
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 1: to be there anyway with those kind of thoughts. Nobody

873
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: knew it was that degree of that level. Are you

874
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: surprised the NBA took the steps that it that it

875
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: took in order to remove him. No, if you look

876
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: at at the NBA. They've always kind of been the

877
00:38:54,640 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: leader things in this world, you know, and Adam is unbelievable.

878
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 1: He doesn't even just feel like a commissioner. He feels

879
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: like someone you could talk to, someone that's really gonna

880
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: listen to listen to yeah, and listen to what's best

881
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: for the league and your concerns and trying to rectify that.

882
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: So I had no idea that it was gonna go

883
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: that fast, but he made it happen and we were

884
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 1: able to breathe a little bit as it did happen

885
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: at fast. You were in Minnesota with Jimmy Butler, cat call,

886
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: Anthony Towns Andrew Wiggins. Yeah, we want to know about

887
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: what really happened at the practice because we got this

888
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: and pieces here and somebody said this over there. I

889
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: need to know the people really wouldn't know what really

890
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: happened and how did it happen at the practice. I

891
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: was gone at that point. Remember only say it one year, okay,

892
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: But Jimmy called me said, man, if you could have

893
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: been at this practice here, they said, he came in there.

894
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 1: He came to the practice, I believe after it got started,

895
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: and they were kind of shocked to see because I

896
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: think he's come on from jis Son. He came in

897
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: there and I'm gonna say the coldest part, and I

898
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: don't know Jimmy said this. I think he had his

899
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: Rolex on while he was killing everybody's I think he

900
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: had a Rolex watch on while he was killing people.

901
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: Pick him apart and practice they walked off again. It

902
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: was classic from when I heard. So why didn't Jimmy,

903
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: like you said, you're an acquired tasting. Yeah, listening to

904
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: Jimmy watching Jimmy, Jimmy is also an acquired tasting. But

905
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: you would think if something tastes good, you were like, Okay,

906
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna at least try it. Why don't you think

907
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: Jimmy worked in Minnesota? I think Jimmy, knowing him and

908
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: playing with him, Jimmy is all about hard work. He's

909
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: all about getting better. He's all about team and if

910
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't feel that from everybody, then he's already rubbed

911
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: off the wrong way. You gotta remember, Jimmy's a self

912
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: made superstar Juco. You know, had to really grind, if

913
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: you know the situation when he had to come up through,

914
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: he wasn't one that was you know, proligy as a

915
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: kid and like knew what this was gonna be. He

916
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: made himself there even when he came to Chicago. He's

917
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 1: a defender first. He got made it bright being a defender.

918
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: So he respects the grind. I say that to say

919
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: that he respects the grind. He respects the game, he

920
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: respects people that put the work in, and he respects

921
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: no agendas. It's all about winning. And when he went

922
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: to Miami, I told him, I said, you were built

923
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: from Miami and twenty years ago you didn't even know it.

924
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: But the way everything you stand for and what you're

925
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: about and how they go about their business, he was

926
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: a minding he player, So I think those things roughed

927
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: him the wrong way. If he sees anybody not fall

928
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: on the line with all those things, you don't have

929
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,479
Speaker 1: to be perfect, you don't have to make every shot.

930
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: You gonna try hard, you're gonna put your team first,

931
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: and you're gonna work hard. And if you don't do

932
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: those things, Jimmy's often let's talk about some of your teammates.

933
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: And when I when I mentioned your name, you tell

934
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: me the first thing that comes to your mind. Okay, Nate,

935
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: Nate Robinson character character. I played with Nate in high school.

936
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: Then I played with him again in the NBA character.

937
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: He was the same Nates, the same as six in

938
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: the Morning, as the sixth of Night. He's a character.

939
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: Let mess you one thing about Nate. Why didn't you

940
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: call Nate and say, Nate, don't you get your ass

941
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: in that ring? You? Hey? You know what Nate was

942
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: basketball state, clearer of your football state, clear of your

943
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: until this day, owns the fastest time to the herbs.

944
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: They can do anything. But when I told him, is

945
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: that day. I said, look, when you go in there, man,

946
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: you gotta be calm. You gotta be calm, you gotta

947
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: main come, you know, boxing just watching I'm not a

948
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: box I would never go in there, but just watching.

949
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: They always look at Floyd may Weather. He don't even

950
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: start really getting into it to round three or four

951
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: when he's dissecting. He's I mean, he's the best. But

952
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: I told Nate just to be calm, just be calming.

953
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: And when he went out there, it was like he

954
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: was moving so fast, you know. But I would never

955
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: bet against Nate, but I didn't. I didn't like to

956
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: see what I saw there at all. But but here's

957
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: the thing. You wouldn't bet against Nate in something basketball,

958
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: maybe football related, maybe track and field. You put somebody

959
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: in an unfamiliar environment. I wouldn't bet against a lion.

960
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: But if I put a line in water and says, okay,

961
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: beat the crock a dollar, beat this alligator, I'm taking

962
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: an alligator. I'm taking the animal that's in his habitat.

963
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: You're actually right. I thought, honestly, I thought it was

964
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: more charity. I didn't know there was really getting damn

965
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: boxing like that. Like I thought it was a cherity type.

966
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: It was real. It was real. But how you fight

967
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: for charity? You know? You know what I'm saying. They're like,

968
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: oh they will play fight. They don't play fight. We

969
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: either do this though we don't. Yeah, I learned that

970
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: watching it. Now, you man that that was crazy. That

971
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: was crazy, and it was Snoop starts singing. It just

972
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: made it way worse bad fo bout his bad slop

973
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: some with Snoop said, oh lord, yeah, I got I

974
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: got talked to Snoop about that one. But now it

975
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: was I mean, but the thing about Nate, Nate believes

976
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: he could jump over tall buildings and he's done that.

977
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: He's proving that. So the ain't no back down anything

978
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: at all. And I respect that part of one for sure.

979
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 1: Of all your teammates, who talked the most trash, oh

980
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: that's good talk. The most trash out of all of them,

981
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: maybe Rick Brusson, Rick Brunson is a good trash shopper.

982
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: He had he had them slipping one liners. Yeah, he

983
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: had to slip one liners. Uh. I thought you were

984
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: gonna say the truth. Oh, you're right, you won sit right,

985
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: and you know what, and it ain't even close. Actually,

986
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: I'm tripping. I was tripping on that. The truth is

987
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: absolutely number one of trashopper this and probably number one

988
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: I played against was Kevin Garnetts. So and then two together.

989
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't even imagine that you played with them. Some

990
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: tough guys you played with Oak Metal World, Pea, Jimmy Butler,

991
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: Darry Roach, stephar Marbury, Steve Francis, Chauncey Biller. You gotta

992
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: go get you going into a fight. Who you take

993
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 1: it with you? I'm taking oh, and Matta, I'm taking

994
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: it too. I'll take it over and meta then to

995
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: it then to its first. Why do? Why do? When

996
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: I mentioned tough, and I said, Okay, we gotta go

997
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,959
Speaker 1: to a fight. Everybody break up Oak. Oh my dog.

998
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: I've been over twenty five years, so I know. But

999
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: it's funny to hear other people talk about Oak. Let

1000
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: me flip it out. Of all your sports friends that

1001
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 1: a in the NFL, who are you taking the fight

1002
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: that you haven't been over the year. Who I'm gonna take.

1003
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Ray Lewis, Yeah, I'm gonna take. I'm

1004
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: gonna take Keith Burns, I'm gonna take Oh, I'm gonna

1005
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: take Stephen Jackson. And I want to take Matt Barnes.

1006
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: You can't go wrong. I'm good. You can't go wrong

1007
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: with him at all him. My boys, you can't. You

1008
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: can't go wrong with him. I'm taking to them too.

1009
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: Basketball I'm taking if you basketball player, give me, Oh,

1010
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: give me Stacks, give me Matt Barnes. You you have

1011
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: all the I give you all the rest of them.

1012
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: I played with all three of them two, so I'm

1013
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: going to world with all of them. Them three your

1014
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 1: signature move, I mean everybody the crossover. You know, Irason

1015
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: had a great crossover, but you they you Jay crossover?

1016
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 1: How do you set the move up and how did

1017
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: it come about? Well, I got different variations of it,

1018
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. And when I grew up,

1019
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: I was watching Isaiah Thomas, I was watching ten hardaway,

1020
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: and then Allen Iverson took it by store. But Alan's

1021
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: is always was a left or right, you know, and

1022
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: and it was getting everybody with it, yep, and he

1023
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: would go over with it. He got he rocked Mike's

1024
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: world with that one. But and he did it twice.

1025
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: If you go back and look, he hit it with

1026
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: a short person right, and they didn't hit it with

1027
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: that long one. But uh yeah. So I learned from

1028
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: those guys, and I always went to the iris and

1029
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: one I said, didn't know what, what if I do

1030
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: it behind my back, it would be even harder for

1031
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: the defense to get the ball. And so I said,

1032
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it behind the back, and I just

1033
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 1: start making different variations of it, you know. And being

1034
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: a guy who's six five, you know, a long arms,

1035
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: sometimes I lose the ball, but only I know where

1036
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: it's at, so they think I lost it. I can

1037
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: go back and it plays right into the crossover, you know.

1038
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: So for me, I just I saw it and saw

1039
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: it and started evolving. Mind. I stole some all those guys,

1040
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: just trying to make my own collies, because what makes

1041
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: your so nick? As you mentioned, you're six five. Those

1042
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: guys are six three and below. You look at Iverson,

1043
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: you look at Steph, you look at Kyrie Hardaway, Rod Strickland.

1044
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: All the guys that could pat the rock, none of

1045
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: them were as long and lanky as you are. That's

1046
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: why when you're talking about top handles, I didn't want

1047
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: to toot my own horn. I'm like, no, I'm six five,

1048
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: so that's a that's a that's an advantage for me

1049
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: because I have such long arms and I can put

1050
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: the ball in places. Uh. And then you know, go

1051
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: back and turn to a crossover. Who your favorite players?

1052
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: You crossed over? I'm gonna go a rayal Man, how

1053
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: you ray over? For you? You crossed over shooter? You

1054
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: proud of that? Nah? Because Ray Jesus shows worth. That

1055
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: was my life in high school. And I saw that movie.

1056
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, he got game. That's Jesus, that's you know,

1057
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: so just right being a shooter and being a you know,

1058
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: such a great player and Hall of Fame player, and

1059
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: such respect for him. I would say, real, nothing against

1060
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: red at all, it's just the stature he is. We

1061
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: talked about you coming off the bench. Explained the conversation.

1062
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: The first time a coach says, Jamal, we're gonna move

1063
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: you from the starting lineup and you're gonna be a reserve.

1064
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: You're gonna start coming off the bench. What was that

1065
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: conversation and then you like, but I'm giving I'm giving

1066
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: you buckets as a starter. Yeah, it was Larry Brown.

1067
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 1: He was one of the first ones. You know, once

1068
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: I established myself in my career, before I was eating

1069
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: six man, I was in year six and I just

1070
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: started an average I think eighteen years before. He was like, no,

1071
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 1: I want you to be the you know, our punch

1072
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: off the bench. I think our team will be better.

1073
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: And I'm really a big team guy. So he I said,

1074
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: all right, He's like, I'm gonna give you the same

1075
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: freedom everything, you know. So I had some really good games.

1076
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,959
Speaker 1: It's just that simple. It was. It was you set

1077
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: a little weird at first, like oh man, you know,

1078
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: little shots of ego. But you know what I always

1079
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: look at like a challenge, Like I'm into different challenges.

1080
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: I always feel like there's another amount in the climbs.

1081
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: So for me, I said, you know what, this is

1082
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: something I've never done before. Let me see if i

1083
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: can do it. And I'm confident enough to my skills

1084
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: that I thought I can make the adjustment. It was

1085
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: more so missed. I had to make the adjustment. Okay,

1086
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: I need your mout rush more six men. Now you

1087
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: only got four spots. Yeah yeah, Jr. Jenobly, Jason Terry,

1088
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: Eddie Johnson, Dale Curry, Lamar Oldham. We got Michael Wave

1089
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: and Jamar profit you only get you only got four spots.

1090
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: Well I'm not I'm not going on that this so

1091
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm not even putting myself on there. Oh you know what, No,

1092
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't put myself on this list. And

1093
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: I don't. I just I just I pay how much

1094
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: to pe If you look at my wall, I got

1095
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: people at all before me. So every time you ain't

1096
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: got no picture of yourself on the wall, No, I'm

1097
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: not looking at it. I ain't got no I got

1098
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: two put back there. I got a bunch of people,

1099
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: but I I ain't got myself. So I'm not gonna

1100
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: put myself on my all. Okay, how M so keep

1101
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: that in mind. I'm gonna check. Have you check McHale?

1102
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: What god Ricky Pearson, any Johnson, I'm not. I can't

1103
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: do nobody for my ear. I gotta get I gotta

1104
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: get their flowers. You know what. I've noticed that because

1105
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of rappers, a lot of

1106
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 1: singers do that they don't like, I mean in comedia,

1107
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 1: because I have some of those guys on the show

1108
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: and they're like, man, I can't put that guy he

1109
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: my arrow, I can't put him up Rushmore. So what

1110
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: is it? What is it about guys from your era

1111
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 1: that you find so hard to put on on my Rushmore?

1112
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: It's not about them so much as is respect as

1113
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: the generation them. Yeah, because I just we're staying on

1114
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: their shoulders, you know what I mean, Like we didn't

1115
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: know what a sixth man it was until it was

1116
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: having to check in mcalle this guy. So for me,

1117
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,479
Speaker 1: if you did my ear, if you change the question,

1118
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: said Mayer, I can give you a better answer. Okay,

1119
00:50:49,520 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: what your era? Glee okay, Lou okay, Jason Terry okay,

1120
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: Lamar Oldham's and then and I know, but then I

1121
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: gotta give love to Big Gordon shout out Ben Gordon

1122
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: just because he get his thame when he was the

1123
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: sixth man as well. You grew up in Seattle. In

1124
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: Seattle is really not It's not like, look, we know

1125
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: the Christie was in Seattle yourself, Nate Robinson. I think

1126
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: you had someone else that played uh and went to

1127
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: your high school. But it's not like New York. It's

1128
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: not like one of these major cities that's known for Detroit,

1129
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: known for Hooper. Like growing up in Seattle, and did

1130
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: you always know you wanted to be an NBA player.

1131
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: It was special because the basketball community was so tight.

1132
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: You know, you could see a Gary Payton or Seawan

1133
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: Kimp once I was sixteen years old, they were coming

1134
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: to my high school games, you know, allowing me to

1135
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: come around them and learn from him. So the community

1136
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: was always special for that reason alone. And then you

1137
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 1: see guys like when I was coming out of high school,

1138
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 1: it was a big thing just to go Division one.

1139
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: You know, guys would getting more scholarships. In football. We

1140
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: had more history with the Eric mccafs and Corey Dillons,

1141
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: you know, the lawyer Milloy's those guys, and basketball is

1142
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: only you know, Doug Christine and Clint Richardson, James Edwards,

1143
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: and they were way before us besides Doug. You know,

1144
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: so I think Doug really took me under his wing,

1145
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: and in turn, you know, once I made it. Brandon Roy,

1146
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: Isaiah Thomas, Dejean t Murray, Zach Lavine, Kevin Porter, now

1147
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: all those guys coming up, they see us in the community,

1148
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: one of their own going to the NBA like we

1149
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: can do it. Before it was like just if you

1150
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: go with Division one, a big time Division one. That

1151
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: was like going, bro, it's raining, as we always inside

1152
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: the gym, you know. But then you see a Nate

1153
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: Robinson going like, oh, I'm maybe Bradley I can do that.

1154
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm Marvin Williams and Martell Webs, Spencer Halls, so many guys,

1155
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: And I think that's what the culture is special up

1156
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: here because we're all supporting each other at all time.

1157
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: This is eighth grader right now text or a sophomore

1158
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: in high school context. Zach Lamine ask the questions, we're

1159
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: all right here. That's the coach that we do. Did

1160
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: you always want to play basketball? Or with the no football?

1161
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: I played football show, I had hand I think I

1162
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: got out of hands. And now I'm talking. I'm talking

1163
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: crazy now, But nah, you see how you laughed at me.

1164
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: But now I played football. I started football, basketball, baseball

1165
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: at the same time, eight nine year olds off Yeah, football,

1166
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: I had a really good hands. Baseball. I didn't really

1167
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: want to play offense. I want to play defenses oppositing basketball,

1168
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: and then basketball. I just stayed with it. It It was

1169
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: just natural to me. My dad actually played, he played

1170
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: with Kevin loves Daddy versy working. Yeah, so I've always

1171
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 1: been around basketball since I was two years old. Man,

1172
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: It's just it's had a hold on me. It still

1173
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: does to this day. But I'm looking at your body type.

1174
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: You're you're in your forties and you probably weighed a

1175
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: buck eighties, so I can just imagine you as a

1176
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen year old kid. Did you weigh one hundred

1177
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: and twenty pounds? Then, Nah, I wouldn't want twenty. I

1178
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't won twenty. I wouldn't pooky. I wouldn't pooky out here.

1179
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: But I was. I was like one sixty five, one

1180
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: seventy at the time, but yeah, I was finn I

1181
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: was real thin. You dropped the legendary the pro the

1182
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: program that you dropped sixty three in front of Kovid.

1183
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: What was the like doing that in front of Kovid?

1184
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: What was it like playing against Kobe and being around him.

1185
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: I'm answering two parts, and the second part was when

1186
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 1: me and you're gonna start in beating about something, already

1187
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: know where it's going. But okay, the first part, Kobe's

1188
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: or was like nothing else. It was like nothing else.

1189
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: I seen. The close side seeing to it was Jordan,

1190
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: and I've been around Jordan's being with the Bulls and

1191
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: here taking the interested in being spending time with But

1192
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: Kobe had a strangle hold on the league. He was

1193
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: just like he was a myth. You didn't see him

1194
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: unless it was a gym or commercial. You to see

1195
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: it nowhere else. You never saw him out, You never

1196
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: saw him at the grocery store. And so playing against Kobe,

1197
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: our relationship over the years took off. And we were

1198
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: actually here for Richard Sherman's softball game and me and

1199
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: Kobe we had respect over the years, and we started

1200
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: talking and we just really hit off that day, you know,

1201
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: and everybody comes to Scott was like, maybe you gotta

1202
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: get this guy's pro and I'm like, man, Kobe, still

1203
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: you know you got that or about I'm like cold

1204
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: man when you come to watch you playing prodecs like

1205
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: you play, I said, yeah, guy from Nike was like, no,

1206
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: we got to get back to LA because he's like, no,

1207
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,919
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna watch jam all play. So he brought

1208
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: his whole family at the war. He had every reason

1209
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: in the world to say no, and he brought his

1210
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: family at the wind and can't watch him play. I'm

1211
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: driving over. They're like, man, Kobe, I don't believe this,

1212
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: but I said, this gotta be special. So I scored

1213
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: sixty three and hit the game when a shot and

1214
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: we we text a lot and and you know, our

1215
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: relationship really grew and took off, and I was just

1216
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: you know, honor and then uh, I think you're about

1217
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: to ask how to look at him as far as

1218
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: a player, Yes, he was. He was. He was the

1219
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: best player I played against. And obviously we're positions, but

1220
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: he just was. You know, you was a big Kobe guy,

1221
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: and I know that you know you really have respect

1222
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: for both of them, but you love Kobe as well.

1223
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: You love Kobe. Kobe gets like nothing else. But this

1224
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: is mentality and his work ethic and his skill he was,

1225
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: he was something different. It was an honored play against him.

1226
00:55:54,560 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: Where what made him so tough to defend? He was fearless.

1227
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 1: He was fearless, and he had a counter to every

1228
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: single move he had, you know, and then he had

1229
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: two counters to it, so he could go over fifteen

1230
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: and still hit the game with a shot. He wasn't

1231
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: shying away. So you had that kind of work ethic,

1232
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: that kind of steal, that kind of mentality, and that

1233
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: kind of freedom. Oh man, it's over, you know. So

1234
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: that's why you've seen him score sixty two in Dallas,

1235
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: score sixty one, or score eighty in a game, because

1236
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: you put it together in this magic you I think,

1237
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if I had a lift it came out,

1238
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,919
Speaker 1: but I saw where you commented any list that doesn't

1239
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: have Kobe in the top five you don't have respect

1240
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: for it. No, you believe Kobe is a top five

1241
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: player all time at my all playoffs, current playoffs currently,

1242
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: and yeah, and I think a lot of players will

1243
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: tell you that that actually played against him, to be honest,

1244
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 1: with his mentality and his competitiveness, Its just it set

1245
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: him apart, you know. And obviously, like I didn't see

1246
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: Will play. I didn't see mister Bill Russell play, who

1247
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm actually very fond of them tight with. I didn't

1248
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: see those guys play, So I don't want to disrespect

1249
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: him by any means. I'm saying guys that I've actually

1250
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:14,439
Speaker 1: played against the same play, right, I saw, I got

1251
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: those two. I got those two Lebron, Kobe and Jordan

1252
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: my top five. I mean, that's not that's not a

1253
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: bad top five, But you do know, in the history

1254
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: of sports, it's not. I don't know if we've ever

1255
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: had a guy ranked top five with only one MVP.

1256
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: You're right, but VPS it's kind of man made, right,

1257
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: like even let's man give your peers are the ultimate

1258
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: respect and the ultimate bar for you know how they

1259
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: feel about he went five and two of the finals.

1260
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: How I look at it, too, is if if you

1261
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: look at it, take you look at any era. I

1262
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: believe Kobe would have been dominant, ay every single era,

1263
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: and I think his competitiveness and work at the long

1264
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: is separated from a lot of guys. It seemed to

1265
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: me you with more modern player, more modern player than

1266
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 1: your top five, that because you got like you didn't

1267
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: see Russell play. You didn't see Chamberlain play, but you

1268
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: saw Tim Duncan. I did see Tim Duncan. I think

1269
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: he's I think he's the best car four ever. But

1270
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: those you saw Shack see Shack, I think shocks right

1271
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: there too. He saw bird, I did see bird. It

1272
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: took me a while for for uh, even lebron the pass,

1273
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: I saw a bird, but you know, it took a while.

1274
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: It took a while. The bird was an acquired taste

1275
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: because we had never seen I had never seen a

1276
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: white guy be able to do what he was able

1277
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: to do, and we I think you took it for granted.

1278
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: And then when you watched him, he bust up everybody

1279
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: you talk about, fearless everybody. I talked to Dominique Wikins

1280
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: about him, and he was telling me stories when when

1281
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: when Bird had sixty, he was talking any bits, you know,

1282
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: and they had to find some of their own players

1283
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: because they was like, man on it, you can't be

1284
00:58:53,080 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: laughing at me while out here, this dude's killing me different.

1285
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, these guys, all those guys before me said Brown,

1286
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: Brown's younger than me, but everybody else was older than

1287
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: Becuse I still pay how much people Lebron. Talk about Lebron.

1288
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: One makes Ron so impressive? And are you surprised that

1289
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: Harry is a year eighteen he's still because we've never

1290
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: seen a player played this well at this age, this

1291
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: late in his career. Are you surprised that he's playing

1292
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: like this? I'm not because look at look at look

1293
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: at the expectation. This dude covered sports illustrators and chosen

1294
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: one before he graduated high school. He exceeded expectations that

1295
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,439
Speaker 1: were that nobody could exceed. He exceeded him ten years ago.

1296
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: You know what I'm like, So, this dude is he's

1297
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,439
Speaker 1: one of one and his brain, his brain, how smart.

1298
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: He's a basketball sciences the savve he can. He's a

1299
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: chest there playing basketball. It's funny watching him, say Phoenix,

1300
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: I was watching him and I'm sitting on the bench.

1301
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: He was playing with his before he was doing anything athletically.

1302
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: I saw him. I saw it was like digital. I

1303
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: just saw everything moving in his brain first before he's

1304
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: moved the chess pieces to what he wanted and he's

1305
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: He's like, well, the Lebron is he surpassed expectations ten

1306
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: years ago. This dude is out of this world. Well,

1307
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: why do you think he receives so much criticism being

1308
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: I mean, people say, well, he played I mean, look

1309
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: at what he's accomplished, and he plays the game the

1310
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: right way, and he doesn't get any trouble off the field.

1311
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: He doesn't have anything bad to say about anybody on

1312
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: the court. Why the why such dislike with Lebron, especially

1313
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: from some of the old players they seemed to find

1314
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: they seemed to keep moving the line, well, he does this.

1315
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: Well they moved the line of a little further and say, well,

1316
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: he didn't do that, and he does that, and they

1317
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: moved a little further and say we hadn't done this. Why, why, why?

1318
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: Why such criticism for Lebron? Because I don't think people

1319
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: hate on the dods. People hate on the grades, you

1320
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And he's what he's done is

1321
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: he's changed the way the landscape of the game. He's

1322
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: changed the way it looks, changed the way it feels.

1323
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: He's changed so many things that people were used to. Right,

1324
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: He's done it in such a way that you can't

1325
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: do nothing about it. Like this, dude, is when he's

1326
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: going from the east to the West, going to the finals,

1327
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: win championships, here win championships. There, I'm going to ten

1328
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: straight finals. I hadn't been to ten straight finals in

1329
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: my program or eight straight like I had done. So

1330
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: this dude was just there's no limit to what he

1331
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: can do, you know, so you have to respect it.

1332
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: He changed the landscape. He made it okay for a transcended,

1333
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: a great player to go somewhere else, because before Lebron

1334
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: really Shot was the only one that had left. But

1335
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, but at that time, Shock wasn't as

1336
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: accomplished as Lebron was. Lebron had won two MVPs by

1337
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: the time he packed up, he had gone to you know,

1338
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: had gone to the finals, Shock and going to the finals.

1339
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: But I think Lebron at that time was probably what

1340
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: a five or six time first team All NBA player,

1341
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: So he was really accomplished. So I will give Shock

1342
01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: his credit. Shock was the first to do it. Every

1343
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: great player to leave but Lebron. When Lebron went to

1344
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: Miami from Cleveland, I think that opened up the flood

1345
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: gates that nobody thought would ever open. Yeah, I think

1346
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: that did, and that that brought a lot of hate.

1347
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he brought a lot of love as well

1348
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: from going back home. But I think the Miami thing

1349
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: is where the hate when he started, if you go

1350
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: back and think about it, right, even in decision been

1351
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: if you're a lot of kids and everything. But I

1352
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: think that's where the hate started because you had Wade,

1353
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: who was a top ten player at the time, you

1354
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: had Bosh who's a top ten player, and now you

1355
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: got the best player at the time, you know what

1356
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: I mean going there. So that's where I think the

1357
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: hate really started. But I don't see the same level

1358
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: of victory all for KD teaming up with James Harden

1359
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: and Kyrie. Yeah, but they haven't won it yet either,

1360
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: so if they win it, that hate could come potentially. Yeah,

1361
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry saying And I think because at the

1362
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: time when Lebron did it, he was the first of

1363
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: his kind to kind of do it that way. Because

1364
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: when Boston did it, they were in mid thirties, you

1365
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean, They did on their prime. So

1366
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: I think they've already seen that Temple. Hey, you got

1367
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: to say, hey, you're going to Golden State, right. Well,

1368
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: I think Katie got it because he went to a

1369
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: team that he had down three one. Yeah, that was

1370
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: part of it. That was part of it. He had

1371
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: three one. I think that's that's what people kind of

1372
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: add that twist to it and they get on right.

1373
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all the same, right, even if they

1374
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: had him down to too ended up losing, it's the same.

1375
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: You went to a team. And that's where people's erie

1376
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: and fires from. I don't I don't, you know, I

1377
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: don't care about it because now it's it's not it's

1378
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: not good because we're judging players on championships right that

1379
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's what you know. That's what caused

1380
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: is because it wasn't good enough to be a great player.

1381
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: You say you're a great player, but you didn't win anything,

1382
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: and they throw that up in your face. So now

1383
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: guys are saying, Okay, well I want to go win

1384
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: a championship. And now you're like, well you ring Chase, right.

1385
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,439
Speaker 1: You can't have it both ways, right, right, and either

1386
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,439
Speaker 1: championship matter or they don't, right, And that's the whole thing.

1387
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: And that's the who you said, that's the whole thing. Obviously.

1388
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: I think your goal is Ah, Michael Jordan, Uh, you

1389
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: played with Mike. Give me some what was what was

1390
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: Mike like in practice? Uh? Some of the gambling stories

1391
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: because we know he's he's an all time great gambler,

1392
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: always trying to get people out there money. Yeah, Mike

1393
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: is like, I didn't play with with the Bulls, but

1394
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: like I said, when I was with Chicago, my dad

1395
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 1: had told me previously in the drafts, like, hey man,

1396
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan likes your game. Like this is for social media,

1397
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: Like Dad, get out of here. How do you know

1398
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan likes my game? So fast forward, I get

1399
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: drafted for the Bulls and Tim Grover calls me one

1400
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: day it's like, hey, MJ said, you can meet him.

1401
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, what six thirty of the morning. I drive

1402
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: down there and this is when he was prepping for

1403
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: his comeback to the Wizards, right, And so I go

1404
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: down there and it's myself, ten and MJ. In the

1405
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: weight room. He's doing ill never forget the defensive slide

1406
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: drill and he we were just talking. I didn't want

1407
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: to talk too much. His workout, you know, it's like, hey,

1408
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,919
Speaker 1: the something we work out together, and I'm like, oh man,

1409
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: this is crazy. So I called my friends that Michael Jordan.

1410
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: Nobody answers. It still early the West Coast, so that summer,

1411
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:04,919
Speaker 1: I start going there and working out with him, playing

1412
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: with him, and he was just like his aura. It

1413
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: was like a ghost. He doesn't see. He doesn't see real,

1414
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: does it. He don't real. He don't seem real. Thinking

1415
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: about that, me and you both feel the same way,

1416
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: and many other people feel the same way. It see,

1417
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 1: he don't look real. He doesn't. He doesn't. The first

1418
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: time I met him, I'm looking at him, and I

1419
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: know he thought I was crazy because it's like he

1420
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: was levitating. He's and I know you're not supposed to

1421
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 1: play reverence and you're not supposed to be blasphemous like this,

1422
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: but he's like a god. I mean people should if

1423
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: I can't explain it. And everybody else that's ever met him,

1424
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: even superstars from Shock and the Jordan excuse his shot

1425
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: to Lebron, everybody has ever met him. He's said the

1426
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: exact same thing that he doesn't see. Like he's levitating.

1427
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: It looks like there's white smoke around him. I promise

1428
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: you it's something else. But I start being with him

1429
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: and hanging with him and like just watching him. He

1430
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: invited me to his house. Actually, he picked me to

1431
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: be in an extra in this commercial to play the

1432
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: younger version of him, and we're playing one on one,

1433
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: and he just really took a liking to me. And

1434
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 1: so you know, I just I never actually gambled with him.

1435
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: You know, I was good because you know me not. Yeah, now,

1436
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: I ain't never gambled with him personally, but he just

1437
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: he was just something different. I remember one time he

1438
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: came out there and some dude was talking trash. Yeah, Michael,

1439
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm doing this. You know, I'm doing this now and

1440
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm making as a player player making him. He's a

1441
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: Max contract. I'm getting my Ferraris and I'm doing this

1442
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: And they said, yeah, well now I get mine. They

1443
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: give it to me free just to drive. He had

1444
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: on this true storage that he had on a yellow

1445
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: Jordan outfit. He had on some black, white and yellow

1446
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 1: Jordan's they're probably still ain't out and outside he had

1447
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: a yellow Quart to Max. So he just was his

1448
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: whole thinking was just on a whole different plateau. He is.

1449
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: He he's a different animal. I mean to be a

1450
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: riding you. It's like I said, it's hard to explain,

1451
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: but you know, you know, and he has no problem.

1452
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: The thing the thing that I love about him. He's

1453
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: that he has no problem to tell you. I'm Michael Jordan.

1454
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: You know that. And there's one dude said up, I

1455
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,919
Speaker 1: ain't never said that. One dude set up who wasn't

1456
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: playing against him. I forgot. I can stop you, he said, Man,

1457
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: Michael George's playground airtime, come fly with me. You see

1458
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: the whole videos, you already know what's about. Like he

1459
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: was just he's up all that stuff. And yeah, always

1460
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: he's always looking at your feet and see what shoots

1461
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: you got? Makes you got some Jordan? He he he

1462
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: And people last they say, well, what's he like? I said,

1463
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I wouldn't know what he would

1464
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: be like to you, but I'm saying he was cool

1465
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Speaker 1: with me. He cool, He's super cool. But he gonna look,

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01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 1: he gonna talk trash, that's in it. He can't help that.

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01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: But he's a good Southern down brother. Like watching the

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01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: Last Dance, you see his mom, right, that's the thing

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01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: that's really intrigued to me, how he was raised. His

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01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: mom still saying, mister Jordan talking about it that, Yeah,

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01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: it's real respectful, you know what I mean. He's just

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01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: he's just cool. He's real, real, cool. But we played

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01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: together for two summers. We never lost one game. I

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01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: never lost playing with him two straights. He was forty

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01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: years old. Two straight summers. We played against Tenny, he

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01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 1: played against Real and Tim Hardy Anton, everybody was coming

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01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 1: through Chicago. We never lost. So do you believe that

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Speaker 1: in today? And do you believe anybody will ever surpass him?

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01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: As far as what he's been able to do? I

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01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: think the shoes time and the shoes, what do he accomplished?

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01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 1: Saying I saw stat yesterday? You know he never lost

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01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 1: a championship. I don't mean with the Bulls, Olympics, Fever,

1483
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: National Championship, any championship game he's ever played, and he's

1484
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: never lost. So this dude was like out of this world,

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01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: Like I just don't think we'll ever see that. Like

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01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 1: his competitiveness, his drive, his work ethic, he was just

1487
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 1: gonna find the way to beat Michael Jordan. He never

1488
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: lets you down. He was Michael Jordan every single night.

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Speaker 1: And that was the thing. I think. The thing is

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01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: once one of my greatest accomplishments that I actually got

1491
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 1: an opportunity to see him play. I didn't get an opportunity.

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01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: I mean I saw Magic the last time when he

1493
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: had come come back. But I didn't see Magic in

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01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 1: his prime. I never got a chance to see Bird,

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01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: but I got an opportunity to see Jordan. And I

1496
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 1: guess it's like, if you like golf, you got an

1497
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 1: opportunity to see Jack Nicholas and Tiger Woods play. If

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01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 1: you like tennants, you got a chance to see Nadal

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01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:44,799
Speaker 1: and Federal Djokovic Serena Williams play. If you was forced

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Speaker 1: enthusiast and you got an opportunity to see that guy play,

1501
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 1: you know you witness something special. Oh Shan, think about it.

1502
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 1: When we talk about goats and other fields, whether it

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01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: be Tom Brady or soccer or whatever it might be,

1504
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: we say this guy is the Michael Jordan of this

1505
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: over the sports dad. They don't nobody ever saying, you

1506
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: know what you say about nobody, Like he's inspired everybody

1507
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,600
Speaker 1: at those runs, Jay Z and Beyonce were coming to

1508
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 1: wash peak up. Like he's inspired everybody from every walk

1509
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: of life, you know, And that's what he's just. He's

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01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 1: just I think God just put him here and says

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01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: you're gonna be the one. He's the one. Yeah, Jamal,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Brother, Thanks for stopping by the club.

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01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Thanks for sharing some insight. Best of luck.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how it's gonna turn out, this journey,

1515
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: but hopefully you get an opportunity to play and you

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01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 1: finish on your terms. Uh, it looks like you want

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01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 1: to play. You you want to be the the Tom

1518
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 1: Brady of the NBA. You and you know what you

1519
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: know me him with the school together with the Michigan

1520
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: at the same time. So I'm trying to keep up

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01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: with him. Don't let anybody do you. Don't let anybody do.

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01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: You get back here there. Thank y'all. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Jamal,

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Speaker 1: have a go with Brouh all my life, running all

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01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: my life, cust Ice, wanna slice, got the broller diceess

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01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 1: way all my life. I've been running all my life,

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01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: all my life, then running all my life, Sacrifice, Hustle,

1527
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: Bay the Price and wanna slice got the roller dice

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Speaker 1: andess wait all my life. I've been running all my life.