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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. We got

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Speaker 1: a lot of people weighing in on the VIP emails.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually going to read some of them because i

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys. Lots of you in the Clay and

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: As we break down reactions to the debate that happened

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Speaker 1: last night, let me hit you with this, Buck, I

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Speaker 1: am of the opinion that the most reliable place to

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Speaker 1: go look for immediate reaction to the debate is the

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Speaker 1: gambling markets. And some of you out there are gonna say, I, Clay,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why you care about.

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Speaker 2: The gambling markets. Let me tell you.

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Speaker 1: There's basically three ways to decide what you think of

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Speaker 1: an election. One is intuition and We do a lot

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Speaker 1: of that on this program. Hey, here's what I'm seeing,

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Speaker 1: here's what I'm feeling, here's what I'm thinking. But all intuition,

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Speaker 1: that is, your personal experience is colored by whatever surrounds you.

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Speaker 1: And the data reflects that most people live in communities

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Speaker 1: where people tend to agree with them. That is, there

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Speaker 1: aren't that many people who actually live in swing states

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Speaker 1: most people I know where I live, most people in

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Speaker 1: my neighborhood, they're all voting Trump. Most people in your

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Speaker 1: neighborhood to a large extent, probably voting Trump too. So

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Speaker 1: that has a flaw because it's hard to know what

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Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty million people are thinking on any

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Speaker 2: Two is the polls.

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Speaker 1: The challenge with the polls is they're a varying quality

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Speaker 1: and they've been proven to be wrong a lot. Third

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Speaker 1: one is gambling odds. I like gambling odds, but because

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Speaker 1: at a minimum, it requires you to put your money

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Speaker 1: where your mouth is. If you think the gambling odds

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Speaker 1: are wrong, take the other side. I love sports gambling

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Speaker 1: for that reason. Hey, this is what we expect to

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Speaker 1: happen in the game. If you agree or disagree, you

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Speaker 1: can take either side. Trump came in on polymarket as

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Speaker 1: the favorite in the debates. Buck, he is still the

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Speaker 1: favorites in the debate as we are talking right now.

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Speaker 1: And if you're wondering, nearly nine hundred million dollars has

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Speaker 1: been met, nearly a billion dollars on who is going

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Speaker 1: to be the president? Trump right now fifty percent chance,

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris forty eight percent chance. That is a very

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Speaker 1: tiny margin. We came in with Trump having created a

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Speaker 1: opportunity to put it away. In sports terms, I felt

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Speaker 2: With the way that he performed.

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Speaker 1: He didn't take advantage of the best opportunities that Kamala

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Speaker 1: constantly gave him. And let me read you some of

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Speaker 1: these VIP emails, Buck, because I think they're super interesting. Tyler,

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Speaker 1: I joined the Clay and Buck vip just to say

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Speaker 1: this missed opportunity for Trump when Kamala. So I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna kind of give you some some different takes, Mike

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Speaker 1: for Trump to be so unprepared for this debate, where

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Speaker 1: he had a golden opportunity to lock up the presidency

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Speaker 1: is disappointing. Harris set him up with nonsense rally sizes.

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Speaker 1: He took debate after that exchange, he never returned to

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 1: I identified her pick as Walls as the moment she

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Speaker 1: lost the election. This is Matt Tonight's when Trump lost it.

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Speaker 1: But they can't both lose now what. I'm so angry

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Speaker 1: at him for letting her bait him again and again

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Speaker 1: and again. Alan Trump got hustled. The debate was a

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Speaker 1: political ad for Kamala. It's obvious. I've not yelled at

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see the media take on the debate.

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Speaker 1: So many missed opportunities. Chris right out of the gate.

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Speaker 1: All of these basically agreeing with what we said in

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Speaker 1: just hit you with this buck. The point that I'm

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Speaker 1: But we're on the eve of nine to eleven. How

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Speaker 1: in the world was that allowed to stand when Biden's

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Speaker 1: been saying it for years on the eve of nine

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Speaker 2: And if you really wanted to get to the top

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Speaker 2: level of how to respond to this play, it would

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Speaker 2: have been uh Kamal would have been Trump saying, not

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Speaker 2: only is today nine eleven, but the Biden Harris administration

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Speaker 2: handed Afghanistan back to the Taliban and increasingly it is

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Speaker 2: completely ties in with Yes, yeah, the the twenty plus

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Speaker 2: and yeah, it was. It was certainly I think a

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Speaker 2: missed opportunity there. When did you want to get to

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Speaker 2: some of our calls? Now, let's take some call? We

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Speaker 2: when go and take some calls. Let's do it? Do

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Speaker 2: we have I assume, guys, we still have the same

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Speaker 2: crew up here, the same same list. Let me know,

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Speaker 2: David in Utah, you're up first. What's up, David?

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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, So the part that's really frustrating to me.

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Speaker 3: And I was a sixteen voter. I voted for him

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Speaker 3: in twenty and I'm going to vote for him again

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Speaker 3: in twenty four. That's not but I'm I'm like the

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Speaker 3: guy was that would attend to rally. Right, You're not

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Speaker 3: going to change my mind because I can see the obvious.

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Speaker 3: But it's not good enough right now to hold the

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Speaker 3: The people into the Malla's camp, they're going to stay there.

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Speaker 3: You've got this little group in the middle. And what

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Speaker 3: frustrated me is what everybody in your VIP emails just

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Speaker 3: said is where he kept taking the bait, kept falling

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Speaker 3: into the traps, and to complain about the moderators. That

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Speaker 3: frustrates me because I'm like, dude, that is like looking

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Speaker 3: out the window seeing that it's raining and then choosing

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Speaker 3: mud and complaining and saying, well, you didn't do your

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Speaker 3: best because you were wetting money. No kidding, move on,

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Speaker 3: don't do it. If you're not gonna do your best

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Speaker 3: in them. If you don't think you can play in

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Speaker 3: the mud and the rain, don't play in the mud

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Speaker 3: and the rain. And the other part that really frustrates

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Speaker 3: me is when he walks out after and says it

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Speaker 3: was his best debate performance ever. Now, I don't expect

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Speaker 3: Trump to whatever come out and say, hey, I didn't

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Speaker 3: that if he had an out of humility, which I

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Speaker 3: believe he sees his weakness, which it's not, he would

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Speaker 3: draw a lot more women and a lot more people

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Speaker 3: people they are. They want to see someone that can say, hey,

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Speaker 3: you know what, I didn't do my best on debating,

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Speaker 3: but you have lived four years under my administration, You've

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Speaker 3: lived three and a half under hers. What were you

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Speaker 3: doing in those those different years? Were you better under

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Speaker 3: her or were you better under me? I wasn't my

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Speaker 3: best debate performance, but hey, I can get the job

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Speaker 3: done for you. And I truly think that even just

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Speaker 3: that amount of humility would draw those middle people to

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Speaker 3: our side to say, hey, you know, he's still human.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't like to lose, but he can acknowledge. Because

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Speaker 3: even in the best sports athlete, if you can't look

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Speaker 3: at the situation and say, hey, I dropped the ball

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Speaker 3: too many times, but I mean you give me on

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Speaker 3: the board. That right there, I think would move a

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Speaker 3: move mountains. Because after he about had his head blown off,

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Speaker 3: everybody sensed just a slight difference about Donald Trump, and

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Speaker 3: I truly believe it was because there was an ounce

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the call.

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Speaker 1: I think he felt touched by God when he did

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Speaker 1: not get assassinated Techno day. Absolutely, Yes, yeah it was.

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Speaker 1: I do think there was an element of humility there.

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Speaker 1: Let me play that. Well, let's keep taking calls that

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Speaker 1: I want to play. We've got the cut of Kamala

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Speaker 1: trying to say it's the worst day since the Civil War.

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Speaker 2: But uh, what you got Ryan and Pennsylvania up? Now?

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 4: Ryan?

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Speaker 5: Guys?

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Speaker 6: How you doing good?

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Speaker 5: Great? Good?

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Speaker 3: Look, we all know Trump to do better, we all

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Speaker 6: Maybe he did that on purpose.

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Speaker 2: No, this is a bad theory.

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Speaker 1: You think he intentionally didn't perform well in front of

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Speaker 1: tens of millions of people.

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Speaker 6: Oh, he laying the trap?

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Speaker 1: Now he wants this a bad argument. Sorry, we got

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Speaker 1: to cut him off. You don't lay a trap by

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Speaker 1: getting your ass kicked. I'm sorry, Ryan, I'm Ryan. I

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Speaker 1: didn't get to weigh in here, and I would I

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Speaker 2: You you you think Ryan's I I agree with Clay's

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Speaker 2: veto of the theory, but I would have We would

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Speaker 2: have let Ryan finish out his point there. But Ryan,

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Speaker 2: we do love you, We appreciate you calling in. I

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Speaker 2: think we got to guide you back. I don't think

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Speaker 2: in the second time around. He should. He knows it

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Speaker 2: is finish, finish the job time right away, no question

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Speaker 2: about it. But hey, taking outside the box. We appreciate it,

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Speaker 2: Jennifer and Texas, what have you got for us?

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Speaker 7: Hi, guys. My take is a little bit different. I

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Speaker 7: think that last night was a big cofou feast for

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Speaker 7: the socialist liberals, but as far as independence go, I'm

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Speaker 7: a libertarian as far as that goes. She looked cold, calculating, unsympathetic,

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Speaker 7: and then I think for it also, the it just

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Speaker 7: looked like it was a setup. It looked like they

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Speaker 7: worked together. Yes, at least Trump looked sincere. He looked

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Speaker 7: was a difference between oh, we don't. I don't think so.

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Speaker 7: She looked she didn't answer any questions. She just had punchline,

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Speaker 5: Very disappointed in the debate last night. At one point

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Speaker 2: Just think about it this way for a moment. Last night,

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Speaker 2: There was discussion of Kamala's previous sort of heritage identification

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Speaker 1: I feel like there's so much ammunition out there to

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Speaker 2: One of the most outrageous and just grotesque statements of Kamalaris,

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Speaker 2: since the Civil War. This is what she said. Play it.

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Speaker 10: Donald Trump left us the worst attack on our democracy

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Speaker 2: Of nine to eleven. Dude, worse than worse than Pearl Harbor. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Wow, and I get on the spot if that's said.

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Speaker 1: think it's important people say, oh, she had the questions

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Speaker 1: I think the reality of this buck and I do

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I want

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Speaker 1: to play a couple of cuts that I thought were

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Speaker 1: an important pivot point in this debate. Kamala came out,

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Speaker 1: I thought she was weak. I thought the first thirty

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Speaker 2: And I want to.

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Speaker 1: Play two cuts where it felt like to me. They

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Speaker 1: helped weigh in on the debate in favor of Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: And here is.

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Speaker 1: Cut two when there is a quote unquote fact check

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Speaker 2: Cut two.

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Speaker 11: I give tremendous credit to those six justices.

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Speaker 3: There is no state in this country where it is

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Speaker 8: Not and Vice President want to get your response to

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Speaker 10: Well, as I said, you're gonna hear a bunch of lies.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: That was when Kamala Harris suddenly was like, okay, they

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Speaker 1: term abortions, which every Democrat does. Listen to cut four

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Speaker 1: where suddenly the demoderators come in and pull Trump. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's like a boxing match. They pull him away from

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Speaker 11: You should ask will she allow abortion in the eighth month,

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Speaker 2: Okay, would you do that?

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Speaker 3: Why don't you ask that question?

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Speaker 2: That's the question, the question.

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Speaker 11: You could do abortions in the seventh month, the eighth month,

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Speaker 11: the governor, former governor of Virginia. The governor of Virginia said,

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Speaker 2: We're going to turn down to immigration and order security.

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Speaker 2: He's right.

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Speaker 1: Governor Ralph Northam is on video talking about performing abortions.

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Speaker 1: Like again, one of the challenges you have in debates

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Speaker 2: Right? Well, also this goes to what what are the

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Speaker 2: a fetus, a baby that survives an abortion that does happen.

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Speaker 2: There are people who have testified before Congress about it

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Speaker 2: what it means is that they have removed the fetus

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Speaker 2: This is a reality, This is a thing that happens.

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Speaker 2: In fact, there was a bill that uh was passed

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Speaker 2: the history of it was called the Born Alive Infant

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Speaker 2: But if you have a failed, failed abortion, does then

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Speaker 2: a human being. This was a real law. This was

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Speaker 2: And I mean, if you look at Colorado, Colorado passed

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Speaker 2: rights law that said that you know any reason, no reason,

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Speaker 2: any time in a pregnancy. I mean, it is the

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Speaker 2: most radical abortion law outside of North Korea in the

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Speaker 1: There's also a push here, and I think this is

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Speaker 1: important to seven to me, seven eight nine month abortion

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Speaker 1: is radical. It is Democrat orthodoxy to allow that. Trump

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Speaker 1: was trying to get at that. They pulled him away.

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Speaker 1: They shifted the discussion as soon as he was starting

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Speaker 1: to levy those points and make those points. Here's something

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Speaker 1: else that I think ties in with this buck Kamala

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Speaker 1: Harris prosecutor. She makes a big deal by being a prosecutor.

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Speaker 2: I would love to know.

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Speaker 1: If Kamala Harris ever prosecuted a murder of a pregnant

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Speaker 1: mother with a viable fetus that was also killed in

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Speaker 1: that murder. Reason why I asked this question. There's an

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Speaker 1: inherent tension very easily laid out in the Democrat position

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Speaker 1: on abortion.

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Speaker 2: Let me explain.

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Speaker 1: I think the vast majority of you out there, if

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Speaker 1: you had a pregnant wife and or a pregnant mother

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Speaker 1: someone in relation to you, and a vile act of

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Speaker 1: murder was committed against her and she was seven to

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Speaker 1: eight or nine months pregnant or six months pregnant, or

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Speaker 1: whatever the term is, and she died, you wouldn't see

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Speaker 1: that as only one murder. You would grieve that as

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Speaker 1: the murder of the mother and the murder of the baby.

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Speaker 1: There are many state laws that protect the life of

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Speaker 1: a child in the event that that occurs. It's in

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Speaker 1: direct conflict with the idea that you should be able

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Speaker 1: to have an abortion in seven, eight, nine months, because

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Speaker 1: the viability of the fetus is treated as a life

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Speaker 1: for purposes of murder and not one for purposes of abortion.

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Speaker 1: That's a real tension. Now, that's complicated, but I think

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Speaker 1: it gets at the essence here of where we draw

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Speaker 1: the line. And the Democrat position is radical. And when

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Speaker 1: Trump was trying to lay that out, first of all,

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Speaker 1: they came in, Lindsay Davis weighed in and said, you're

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Speaker 1: basically a liar, which is her putting her full support

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Speaker 1: behind Kamala Harris. And then they allow Kamala Harris to

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Speaker 1: lie about Charlottesville and to lie about the boss bath,

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Speaker 1: and they don't weigh in at all.

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Speaker 2: Why move Why I move the discussion? There's a rhetorical question,

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Speaker 2: why move the discussion? At that point, Trump said, is

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Speaker 2: this is an abortion in the seventh month. Yeah, not

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Speaker 2: to save the life of the mother, which is a

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Speaker 2: separate issue which Trump has also addressed, but as an

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Speaker 2: eighth month, when there's clear viability of the baby inside

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Speaker 2: the womb to live currently normal life outside the womb.

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Speaker 2: Is that Okay? Why doesn't Kamala Harris have to answer

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Speaker 2: that question? She doesn't want to answer the question because

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Speaker 2: the position of the Democrat Party and therefore the position

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Speaker 2: of Kamala Harris as the answer is yes, it's in fantasy.

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Speaker 1: That's It's a great example buck also of how questions

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Speaker 1: are asked. And I'll give you another example of this.

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Speaker 1: I believe if you were going to ask a question

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Speaker 1: about January sixth, or you were going to ask a

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Speaker 1: question about July thirteenth, the assassination attempt on Trump, you

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Speaker 1: should ask a question about the assassination attempt. Maybe you

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Speaker 1: could ask about both. But if you ask Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 1: you you have regularly compared Donald.

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Speaker 2: Trump to a fascist dictator.

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Speaker 1: You and your boss, Joe Biden have said that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is like Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederacy.

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Speaker 1: You have compared him to Adolf Hitler. Does your rhetoric

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Speaker 1: bear any responsibility when an assassination attempt occurs and the

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Speaker 1: president is almost killed? Would you like to change your rhetoric?

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that he is actually Adolf Hitler? That's

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Speaker 1: the kind of question you could ask that would really

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Speaker 1: put her on the spot. There were none of those questions,

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Speaker 1: by and large for Kamala last night. If you go

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Speaker 1: back and look, there were a lot of them for Trump.

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Speaker 1: And the way in which you convey that question dictates

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Speaker 1: to not only weighing in on pact checks, but how

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Speaker 1: you ask questions gives an incredible idea of where you

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Speaker 1: actually are on the bias scale. Buck, I think you

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Speaker 1: and I if we had been there instead of David

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Speaker 1: Muir and Lindsay Davis and I think we could have

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Speaker 1: done and I would fill out degated to do a

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Speaker 1: far fairer example. I think a lot of you out

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Speaker 1: there would actually be upset with me, because my goal

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Speaker 1: would be if I were a moderator of a debate,

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Speaker 1: my job is not to be the star. It's to

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Speaker 1: make these people tell you what they really think and

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Speaker 1: provoke disagreement. And that sometimes means that you're going to

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Speaker 1: ask tough questions like Megan Kelly did back in the day.

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Speaker 1: That's the job of a moderator, but it's not the

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Speaker 1: job of a moderator to end up the story. And

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Speaker 1: I think the ABC moderators are the story. The CNN

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Speaker 1: moderators were not. The candidate should be the story.

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Speaker 2: Good news is I think this whole story is going

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Speaker 2: to fade very quickly. I think Trump's ahead. I think

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Speaker 2: Trump's going to continue to stay ahead as long as

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Speaker 2: he stays focused. It seems to me that the Kamala

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Speaker 2: campaign as of today is likely to have another debate,

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Speaker 2: So maybe maybe we'll get an opportunity. Do you think

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Speaker 2: he should do it?

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about it when we come back, because I

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Speaker 1: think that's a good question. Should he do another debate?

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Speaker 1: I'm also curious from you guys. You can continue to

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. It's a

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Speaker 2: post debate day. Were getting into all of it. We're

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Speaker 2: also going to talk to our friend Ryan Gradusky here

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Speaker 2: in just a few minutes about what the numbers are

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Speaker 2: looking like, because that's what really I think matters. The

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Speaker 2: most at this stage. Obviously, eventually what will matter the

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Speaker 2: most is wins this election. But I do think that

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Speaker 2: going into this debate, Trump was ahead. I think he

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Speaker 2: is still ahead, and we'll see how swing voters and

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Speaker 2: moderates react to what happened last night, if they really

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Speaker 2: react in a perceptible way at all. I think there's

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Speaker 2: a lot that's still open, and we'll get into some

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Speaker 2: of that. We'll talk to Ryan about that here in

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Speaker 2: just a moment, we have Okay, we got a lot

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Speaker 2: of calls Maureene in North Carolina. What's up, Maureen?

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Speaker 4: Hey, how you doing.

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Speaker 2: We are great, Thanks for calling in.

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Speaker 4: I'm a huge fan of the show, love it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: So yeah. I sat and watched the entire debate, and

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Speaker 4: I have to agree I was a bit disappointed. I

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Speaker 4: was pulling for the Dawn, you know, and I thought,

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Speaker 4: but as soon as a few questions in, I realized

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Speaker 4: it was an ambush. Like immediately I said, I said

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Speaker 4: to my husband, oh, it's three against one, you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean. But I just I was disappointed. And

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Speaker 4: I know he had a lot of opportunities where he

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Speaker 4: could have just stuck.

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Speaker 5: It to her.

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Speaker 4: Dude, excuse me, he had a few good jobs though

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Speaker 4: in there that we're pretty entertaining. But I got to

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Speaker 4: tell you, I just wish that he would have just

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Speaker 4: dropped the ego for just a few minutes, you know,

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Speaker 4: and just you know, a feel to the American people

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Speaker 4: and tell him that, you know, I've gone through how

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Speaker 4: well and that because I you know, I believe in

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Speaker 4: our country, you know, and just be more leader like.

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Speaker 4: And it was just a bit of a disappointment. And

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Speaker 4: I detest Kamala or however you say her name. I

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Speaker 4: don't think that she is a good person. I don't

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Speaker 4: think that she is authentic, and I think she was

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Speaker 4: a liar. And I think the ABC did a disservice

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Speaker 4: to the American people.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the call, Maureene.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the challenges Buck is you can

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Speaker 1: over prepare for a debate, and that comes across because

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Speaker 1: you sound inauthentic and you're just trying to deliver winning lines.

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Speaker 1: But you can also underprepare, and there is a fine

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Speaker 1: line between being authentic and on your feet responding. I

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Speaker 1: actually thought Trump listened to Kamala and allowed her to

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Speaker 1: dictate the direction that he went a lot, because he

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Speaker 1: responded to the things that she said, whereas I thought

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Speaker 1: more she just went straight to her talking points and

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Speaker 1: to a large extent, ignored much of what Trump said.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's why the debate felt the way

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Speaker 1: it did, because she put it on the ground that

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Speaker 1: she wanted. And I mean, when you get a border

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Speaker 1: question and you end up talking about the size of

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Speaker 1: your crowds, I mean she wins.

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Speaker 2: Yes. Unfortunately, that was that was one of the moments

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Speaker 2: where you saw the Kamala strategy working. Look, one of

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Speaker 2: my big concerns here is that the don't have Kamala unscripted,

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Speaker 2: don't subject her to real media questioning or even just

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Speaker 2: sort of public interaction in a way that is natural

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Speaker 2: and real. If that works, what does that say about

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Speaker 2: politics in America. I mean, it's honestly says we're a

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Speaker 2: country of idiots who can be easily fooled, or at

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Speaker 2: least half of us can be. So that's very disconcerting.

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Speaker 2: We've also got Keith in West Texas. I thinks Trump

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Speaker 2: did an amazing job. Okay, go ahead, Keith.

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Speaker 6: Hey, guys, I completely disagree with all your loyal listeners

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Speaker 6: Monday morning quarterbacks that Trump, you know, could have done

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Speaker 6: would have done, should have done. He eviscerated her on

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Speaker 6: all the points he commanded that whole debate. Yeah, the

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Speaker 6: fix was in, you know, of course the fix was in.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I'm a loyal Trump supporter. But at the

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Speaker 6: end of the day, whoever's voting for Trump his voting

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Speaker 6: for Trump. Whoever's not voting for Trump isn't voting for Trump.

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Speaker 1: Well, then, Keith, does the debate is not? Yeah, serious,

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Speaker 1: then what's the point of doing debate at all?

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Speaker 5: Exactly exactly?

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, look I made thank you for the call, Keith.

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Speaker 1: I do think that the entire point of the presidential

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Speaker 1: campaign at this point.

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Speaker 2: Keith is right.

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Speaker 1: Ninety five percent of people may well have decided exactly

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Speaker 1: how they're going to vote. But let's be generous in

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Speaker 1: say there there are five percent of the American public

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Speaker 1: out there that still doesn't know how they vote. They're

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Speaker 1: going to decide the election. So this is not a

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Speaker 1: base election. You can't just say, oh, the people who

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Speaker 1: like Trump already like Trump, and the people who don't

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Speaker 1: like him already. There are people who voted for Biden

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty that are willing to vote for Trump

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. You might think that's crazy. There

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Speaker 1: are people who voted for Trump in twenty twenty that

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Speaker 1: are willing to vote for Kamala in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: You might think that's crazy. There are also a lot

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Speaker 1: of people buck who are going to decide on election

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Speaker 1: day whether they go to vote or not based on

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Speaker 1: what happens in the couple of weeks before the election.

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Speaker 1: Those people decide the race, and so any opportunity you

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Speaker 1: can get to speak to them and tell them why

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Speaker 1: you're the right choice, I think matters. I think that's

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Speaker 1: ultimately why we have elections in the first place. So

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Speaker 1: I disagree with Keith. I guess well, we also got

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Speaker 1: k C in Utah. Case wants to take Keith's part

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Speaker 1: in this.

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Speaker 2: What's up? Case?

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Speaker 8: Hi, just a quick question for you guy. You guys,

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Speaker 8: out of the last nine presidents, who would you rank

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Speaker 8: as a top orator out of the last nine? So

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Speaker 8: that goes back to President Ford.

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Speaker 2: I mean probably Reagan?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I mean I look, I would say in

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Speaker 1: terms of you mean like a speech or debating, are

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Speaker 1: you wanting like a top nine power ranking? I think

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Speaker 1: Reagan is a phenomenal communicator. I think if you're talking

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Speaker 1: just reading glass, Obama read and delivered speech as well

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Speaker 1: as a very good communicator. I think Clinton was in

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Speaker 1: his era a very good communicator, So that would probably

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Speaker 1: be in the last I wasn't alive for Ford, but

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Speaker 1: that would probably be my top three if you were

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Speaker 1: asking me in terms of just straight communicat W.

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Speaker 2: Bush was kind of famously not a great adept at communicating,

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Speaker 2: and honestly, George H. W.

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Speaker 1: Bush was also not great at I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: So what are you what were you getting at, Casey?

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Speaker 1: What's your what's your argument here?

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Speaker 8: I would put Barack Obama in the top two. I

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Speaker 8: mean he's smooth, okay, when as far as the orator, Now,

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Speaker 8: who would you how would where would you rank Barack

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Speaker 8: Obama as far as the president?

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Speaker 2: Terrible?

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Speaker 1: And your point is that lots of people can be

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Speaker 1: good presidents and not great speakers. I don't think we

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Speaker 1: dispute that at all. People have different skill sets. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I was telling Debuck on some level, I wish Trump

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Speaker 1: could pick the best defender of his policy and have

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Speaker 1: that person speak for him, and Kamala could pick the

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Speaker 1: best defender of her policy and have that person speak

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Speaker 1: for the n might be a better debate.

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Speaker 2: It's it's like when Cherry and Lanister had Prince Obin

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Speaker 2: step in for him, but that didn't end that well.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately spoiler alert, the Mountain got him