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Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, Luck and load. Michael

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Speaker 1: Verie show is on the air, so our next guest.

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Speaker 2: I think you might find this very interesting. I've never

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Speaker 2: met him. I didn't know him. I did not know

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Speaker 2: his name. But I received a number of emails from listeners,

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Speaker 2: which is how we get our best show prep typically,

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Speaker 2: who said, you need to talk to this guy. He's

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Speaker 2: a whistleblower with regard to what's going on at Texas

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Speaker 2: Children's Hospital, with some of the procedures they are doing

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Speaker 2: It's it's getting a lot of national attention. So I

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Speaker 2: started putting the word out and it turned out that

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Speaker 2: track him down for us and get him on the air.

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Speaker 1: And the only we didn't I have not spoken to

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Speaker 2: I did ask Ramon when we got him on the line,

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Speaker 2: how to pronounce his name, which is spelled e I

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Speaker 2: T h A n Ethan with an extra gratuitous I

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Speaker 2: as I expected.

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Speaker 2: It could have been Haim or Heim, but it's Ethanheim

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Speaker 2: is his name, and he's our guest and welcome.

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Speaker 1: Nice to meet you, sir.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for having me on. And

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Speaker 3: I would just say the first name is a little

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Speaker 2: But Aton, oh, Aton, okay? Is that a Hebrew name?

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Speaker 2: Am I guessing?

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir? It is? Yeah, And you know the introduction,

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Speaker 3: I I feel honored. That was a It's great.

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Speaker 1: And what does aton mean?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's the Hebrew derivation strong.

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Speaker 1: You're proving that to be true.

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Speaker 3: You know. It's funny because my mom hadn't Yes, she

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Speaker 2: Are you the the I am I assume is Ashkenes

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a typical Hebrew name, but my family's actually spartic.

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Speaker 3: My grandparents are from Iraq, and you know, we can

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Speaker 2: Well as you probably know, UH there it was a

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Speaker 2: no longer the case. Aton, Let's talk about why you

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Speaker 2: have become a national story over the last week. What

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Speaker 2: what well, why don't you take your time. We're going

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Speaker 1: Why don't you take your time and explain?

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Speaker 2: And I will only interrupt you as our clock requires,

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Speaker 2: So why don't you get us started with how you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course. And you know, and if there's any

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Speaker 3: Aton Him. You know, I grew up in Florida, you know,

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Speaker 3: So for some people it's medicine, some people it's neurosurgery.

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Speaker 1: Of course, not not at Texas children, not in Houston.

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Speaker 2: If if you google his name, this guy, this story

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Speaker 1: Him, Ramon said, have you tried that? He asked. We

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Speaker 2: But everybody's covering he has been Fox News, you everybody.

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Speaker 2: read you the opening of the article. June twenty third,

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Speaker 2: best days of Ayton Heim's life. His family was visiting

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Speaker 2: Where time stands still. So Aton, we're going to go

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Speaker 2: What you mean is you revealed that Texas Children's Hospital

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Speaker 1: He says, that's often permanent.

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Speaker 5: They have to give up something that they have no

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Speaker 1: They were doing in this clinic.

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Speaker 2: We do know that Texas Children's Hospital was denying that

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think the most important thing is

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Speaker 3: and develop in a different physical way. What will happen

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Speaker 3: to the children is they will not undergo that development,

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Speaker 3: so they will physically look different than everyone else, further

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Speaker 3: isolating them from the people around them, putting them on

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Speaker 3: a road that they will never be able to come

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Speaker 3: back from. And that's one of the saddest things about

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Speaker 3: this whole situation, is because you have these kids committed

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Speaker 3: to a path that they can never come back from

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Speaker 3: at a time when they at least understand the consequences

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Speaker 3: of their actions.

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Speaker 2: Right, and then they're going to be looking around as

447
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Speaker 2: and we've seen so many of these cases where a

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Speaker 2: child who wants to be Batman on Monday and Spider

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Speaker 2: Man on Tuesday and a fairy princess on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: When they get older, they're very angry.

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Speaker 2: Now you talk about some severe psychiatric problems over the

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Speaker 2: fact that they've been altered as to We've had guests

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Speaker 2: on our show who've gone through this, and it breaks

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Speaker 2: my heart for them.

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Speaker 1: And people commit suicide over this. They commit suicide.

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Speaker 2: Over having been altered into someone or something that they're.

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Speaker 3: Not, and you know, and instead of telling these kids,

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Speaker 3: you know their purpose just the way they are that

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Speaker 3: going purity is hardened and but those challenges will make

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Speaker 3: them stronger, will make them better, and that the lessons

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Speaker 3: they learned from those challenges is what they will take

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Speaker 3: into their adulthood. Like that's what we all had when

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Speaker 3: we were children, and it was those things that that

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Speaker 3: gave us the strength to make it through tough times

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Speaker 3: in the future. And what they're doing is taking that

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Speaker 3: away from these kids. And it's so wrong because.

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Speaker 2: Right there we're going to talk more to aton Heim,

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Speaker 2: the whistleblower in this massive.

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Speaker 1: Case that's just just hit the news. Coming up with.

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Speaker 2: Aton Heim is our guest, and I'll just read you

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Speaker 2: the Daily Wire headline, A doctor blew the whistle on

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Speaker 2: his hospital's transgender clinic. Now the Feds are trying to

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Speaker 2: ruin his life. The whistleblower who exposed shocking surgeries at

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Speaker 2: the country's largest children's hospital comes forward. That children's hospital

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Speaker 2: is Texas Children's Hospital, the prestigious hospital in Houston, Texas.

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Speaker 2: Ayton him was a doctor there and he blew the

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Speaker 2: whistle on the fact that they were making boys and

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Speaker 2: the girls and girls in the boys and we're talking

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Speaker 2: about children, he says, is who did this?

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Speaker 1: When we talk about you.

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Speaker 2: As in they talk about you being an anonymous whistle blower,

482
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Speaker 2: how did you do that? How did you go about saying, hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: this is what's going on over here, y'all need to know.

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Speaker 1: This is a bad thing. You see something, say something.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's an interesting story because there was. There

486
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Speaker 3: was at one point when I saw that the Grand

487
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Speaker 3: Rounds Leasures, you know, this very prestigious leisure series in

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Speaker 3: the hospital, and it was given by the directors of

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Speaker 3: the transgender program, which supposedly did not exist according to

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Speaker 3: the public. And understanding the extent of this deception, I

491
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Speaker 3: knew I had to do something about it, because it's

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Speaker 3: my responsibility as a surgeon and a more responsibility as

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Speaker 3: an individual. So I knew that I couldn't go to

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Speaker 3: the hospital because they had been the ones complicit in

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Speaker 3: the conduct. So I had began reaching out to journalists

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Speaker 3: during that time, and for five months it was just failure. Right.

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Speaker 3: I would just reach out to people, might you know,

498
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 3: might express some interest, but you know, people would look

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Speaker 3: at me like, you know, like you know, Who's who's

500
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Speaker 3: this guy? Like, uh, you know, even only you know

501
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Speaker 3: all these times, and so it was. It was it

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Speaker 3: was just a bunch of uh uh you know, dead ends.

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Speaker 3: That's the best way I would put it. But then

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Speaker 3: I finally got hold of Chris Rufo in mid May,

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Speaker 3: and the timing couldn't have been more perfect because I

506
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 3: didn't know this at the time, but the Texas Senate

507
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Speaker 3: was voting on a bill as B fourteen. This was

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Speaker 3: going to be the law that would ban these hormone

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Speaker 3: related interventions for children who believed they have who are

510
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Speaker 3: who believe their transgender. So he knew that it was

511
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Speaker 3: important to get the story out, so he verified who

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Speaker 3: I am. You know. We get the story out on

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Speaker 3: May sixteenth, twenty twenty three, which shows that Text Children's

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Speaker 3: is lying to the public about the existence of their program,

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Speaker 3: and that first day goes all over the news, big story,

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Speaker 3: But it did exactly what we thought it would. The

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Speaker 3: very next day, the conduct we had exposed, right doing

518
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Speaker 3: these interventions on children was voted to become illegal in

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Speaker 3: the state of Texas in a bill that was passed

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Speaker 3: with bipartisan support. And we were told that partly it's

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Speaker 3: because our story came out the day before that. There

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Speaker 3: were multiple Democrats who vote in favor of it, because,

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Speaker 3: you know, they didn't believe this kind of thing was

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Speaker 3: happening in their districts, but now they knew. Now they

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00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: knew it wasn't some theoretical thing you see on the news,

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Speaker 3: but it was something that was that was true, that

527
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Speaker 3: was actually happening right down their street. So then more

528
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 3: whistleblowers come out, you know, the a couple of days later,

529
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Speaker 3: another whistleblower comes out to tell their story about working

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Speaker 3: with these doctrips and how he was horrifying to see

531
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Speaker 3: these kids being put on these medications in these blockers

532
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Speaker 3: so quick after such short clinic visits. And then the

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Speaker 3: Texa Attorney General announces an investigation into the hospital. And then,

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Speaker 3: you know, for the second time in fourteen months, the

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Speaker 3: CEO of the hospital says that he's shutting down the

536
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Speaker 3: program because of the passage of the law. So at

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Speaker 3: the end of that, you know, I'm still nonmous, but

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking, yeah, we succeed it, and it couldn't have

539
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Speaker 3: it couldn't have worked out better.

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Speaker 2: The Daily Wire story notes that Texas Attorney General Ken

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Speaker 2: Paxton had issued an opinion stating that performing sex change

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Speaker 2: procedures on minors was child abuse, and it says hospital

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Speaker 2: where he was a surgical restaurant resident, this is talking

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Speaker 2: about you. Texas Children's Hospital stated unequivocally after Paxton's opinion

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Speaker 2: in March of twenty twenty two that it was halting

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Speaker 2: its so called gender affirming services, which are sex change procedures.

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Speaker 2: And in their statement they say Texas Children's Hospital paused

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Speaker 2: hormone related prescription therapies for gender affirming services. This step

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Speaker 2: was taken to safe guard our healthcare professionals and impacted

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Speaker 2: families from potential criminal legal ramifications. They said that in

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Speaker 2: March of twenty twenty two. But you were a surgeon

552
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Speaker 2: on staff, as a resident there or as a resident there,

553
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: and you knew they were lying, and that's what you

554
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: gave the information for the story to be written about.

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Speaker 2: As a result, they go to the FEDS to try

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Speaker 2: to take you down, right, and.

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Speaker 3: You're just something to note that a few three days

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Speaker 3: after that statement, they put pevy blockers into a pre

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Speaker 3: pe resident girl. Right, So there was nothing more unequivocal

560
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Speaker 3: than that statement. But it goes to show how blatant.

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Speaker 3: This was that they gave that statement. Three days later,

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Speaker 3: they're still doing it. It only ramped up from there.

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Speaker 2: Now here is the part where this gets very interesting.

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Speaker 2: I read another article. I don't remember the source. I

565
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Speaker 2: don't think it's important that you're here so we can

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Speaker 2: But I read a statement that you had made to

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Speaker 2: somebody that the reason they do this is not necessarily ideological,

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Speaker 2: but it is financial. That there is a lot of

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Speaker 2: money involved with this.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: Well, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: I'll actually say more so the former than the latter.

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Speaker 3: It is much Yeah, I think I think it's I

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Speaker 3: think there is a financial component, of course, and I

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Speaker 3: think that's how you get some squishy people who don't

577
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 3: necessarily agree with it, but they're willing to go along

578
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Speaker 3: with it because they know it's going to make them

579
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Speaker 3: a lot of money. But I think that something like

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Speaker 3: this cannot be done on such a large scale unless

581
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Speaker 3: you have people who are committed to it ideologically. And

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Speaker 3: I truly believe that's the only way you could do

583
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Speaker 3: this to a child is if you know within your bones,

584
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Speaker 3: you believe that somehow you're doing the right thing, despite

585
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Speaker 3: the fact that you're destroying these kid live and so

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Speaker 3: I think yes, I would say it's more ideological than financial.

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Speaker 2: When obviously you're a younger and as a doctor, you're

588
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Speaker 2: very young, but you are very clear that doing sex

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Speaker 2: changes on little kids is a terrible thing and it's

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Speaker 2: going to harm its child. Amuse as as impacts on this,

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Speaker 2: I don't if you use that term. We're up against

592
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Speaker 2: the break hold type just a moment. We're talking to

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Speaker 2: Aton time the whistle blow or against Texas Children's Hospital

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Speaker 2: who says they're still doing uh sex changes on kids

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Speaker 2: even after the law said they can't, and they said

596
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Speaker 2: they're not. But the Feds are trying to destroy his

597
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: life because he saw something and said something coming up.

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Speaker 3: You know, I would tell you that I'm not sure

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Speaker 3: if they continue after they said they had stopped. Figure

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Speaker 3: that right, fair enough,