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Speaker 1: Smell us Now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain

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Speaker 2: Time on January ninth, and we'd live for Meat Eater

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Speaker 2: HQ and Bosman Montana. I'm your host, Spencer new Art,

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Speaker 2: joined today by Brodie Henderson and Giannis Boutellis. On today's show,

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Speaker 2: we'll interview Matt Daniels about a seven year quest to

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Speaker 2: track down the mount of his dad's record book Deer.

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Speaker 2: Then we've got show and tell, followed by a hot

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Speaker 2: tip off, and finally we'll talk to Bend Attamanti about

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Speaker 2: an el khunt where four arrows wind up in the

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Speaker 2: same bowl, forty four of them. We're gonna get to

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Speaker 2: the whole thing at the end. It's a wild, over

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Speaker 2: the counter experience that I think few have had, but

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Speaker 2: most have probably had nightmares about how'd you boys spend

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Speaker 2: Christmas break.

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Speaker 1: Eating, drinking, hanging out with fun people, getting outside, living

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Speaker 1: the life.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, pretty much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the best.

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Speaker 2: You probably describe yourself that way anytime, not just Christmas

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Speaker 2: break right.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm pretty lucky, pretty fortunate, as I

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Speaker 1: think everybody in this room should feel the same way.

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Speaker 2: Good on you, Yanni. How about you, bro? Do you

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Speaker 2: doing anything exciting when coming to the office.

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Speaker 3: They've got a lot of bird hunting in, which is nice.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of a bittersweet time of year because it's

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Speaker 3: like the end of hunting season, at least for those

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Speaker 3: of us that aren't Yiannis that just get to hunt

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Speaker 3: all your life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the time of year when I get

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Speaker 2: very motivated about finding my next permission, about finding my

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Speaker 2: next yh Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm just thirsty for more of that,

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Speaker 2: and I can't do it.

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Speaker 3: It'll be Turkey season before you know it.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: Yanny. You just had a successful haunt though. Yesterday, as

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Speaker 2: we sit here talking about not haunting anymore.

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Speaker 1: I did mingus my buddy Jake and piping Helen. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I actually went up one king and walk this track

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Speaker 1: for a half a mile. I keep looking at it.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, so, bitch, it's got to be a fox.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not seeing the claws, which would tell

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Speaker 1: me it's a fox or a coyo, you know. But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, I can't catch a leading toe

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Speaker 1: to really tell me that it's a bobcat. I keep

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Speaker 2: Let it narrow down to those three things.

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Speaker 1: Though I was thinking fox or bobcat because it was

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Speaker 1: pretty small.

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Speaker 3: It is a deep snow, making it like hard to

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Speaker 3: tell you.

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Speaker 1: No, it was on the trail, and sometimes you know

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Speaker 1: when you're out not under trees. It was a couple

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Speaker 1: of inches, but just under the trees, it might have

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Speaker 1: been just a skiff. So I got all versions of

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Speaker 1: this track because I walked. He was on the trail

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Speaker 1: to Jake because we hadn't hooked up yet, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: what do you think fox? You know, the picture doesn't

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Speaker 1: go through and he keeps texting me back I didn't

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Speaker 1: get the picture. I didn't get the picture. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a fox. So I like, check another

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Speaker 1: canyon and then I drive to meet him and a

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Speaker 1: separate canyon. Right when I get there, the picture finally

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Speaker 3: Do they have the same kind of gate Fox and Bobcat?

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Speaker 1: No, it's more like a lion. You know where they

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Speaker 2: Are there are there any other clues besides a track

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Speaker 4: Or no? Mmm, not me?

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe some other expert. Yeah, but no, it's all

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Speaker 1: the length of the gate, the stride. So you guys

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Speaker 1: go back, but yeah, we go back there and cut

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Speaker 1: the dogs loose on it and they run it for

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Speaker 1: I don't know, not far four hundred yards and they

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Speaker 1: treated it all together, which I explained in the post yesterday,

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Speaker 1: I put on the Instagram that Mingus has hasn't caught

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Speaker 1: They're a lot harder to catch than a lion, much

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Speaker 1: much harder. I can explain if you like. But so

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Speaker 1: that hasn't happened yet. Last time we caught a bobcat

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Speaker 1: it was again with Jake and these same dogs, and

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Speaker 1: I've talked about this before they're superstars. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: like when you go out with them, you're getting to play,

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Speaker 1: you know, pickup ball on your team. You've got Lebron

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Speaker 1: and MJ. And last time Mingus was five to ten

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Speaker 1: minutes late getting to the tree. In a way, it

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Speaker 1: was good because he instead of me tooing and hearing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to find a better term for that,

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Speaker 2: and me too carry on.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Though?

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Speaker 2: Huh?

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Speaker 1: He keeps to the track and works the track all

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Speaker 1: the way to the tree and then goes all right, yeah, sweet,

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Speaker 1: I'm here too. Well, yesterday they according to the GPS,

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Speaker 1: they all got there together. They all treed together. And

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Speaker 1: so I feel like I could give Mingus credit for

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Speaker 1: like a legit bobcat catch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's officially award that one to Mingus. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: then you shot it.

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Speaker 1: I shot it about a fifteen pound female beautiful and yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jake's gonna come over night help me tube skin it.

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Speaker 2: How often are you passing on bobcats when you treat one? Never?

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Speaker 1: I we haven't treed one now, Jake, who hunts a

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Speaker 1: lot more than I do. I don't know how many

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Speaker 1: he's treed. He said he's only killed one this winter,

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Speaker 1: but I'm guessing he's probably treed ten others and he's

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Speaker 1: let him all go because they were probably either females

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Speaker 2: And Phil has now pulled up the video, oh, of

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Speaker 2: the end of the hunt.

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Speaker 1: No, this is the mountain lion hunt from the week prior. Okay, sorry, honest, No,

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Speaker 2: Do you ever get a bobcat or anything up a

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Speaker 1: Funny you say that, especially with bobcats. And I found

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Speaker 1: in her kitten. The kitten was a couple hundred yards

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Speaker 1: it's a problem with mingus because he trees him on

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Speaker 1: the scent. Right. He's like, I know they went to

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Speaker 1: this tree, track goes up this tree, but I can't

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Speaker 1: he starts to get lose confidence and he wants to

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Speaker 1: he slick treed me, which is the term meaning that

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Speaker 1: your dog is barking treed, but there's nothing in it.

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Speaker 1: only be fifteen feet from it. This bobcat yesterday. It

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Speaker 1: took Jake and I walking around in circles for probably

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Speaker 2: Did the dog see it the whole time?

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Speaker 1: They never saw it, and so they kind of had

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Speaker 1: done before we got there. They had left the tree,

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Speaker 1: back to the tree. Eventually, what happens if they there

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Speaker 1: and he's thirty yards up there. I mean, he's, you know,

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Speaker 1: hits them. So they'll be kind of searching around on

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Speaker 1: the ground a little bit like, yeah, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: and all three of them boo boo boom, you know,

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Speaker 1: just blow up on it. And then they'll tree hard

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Speaker 1: for fifteen minutes. But if again, if this, if the

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Speaker 1: wind changes a little bit, they don't. But yeah I did,

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Speaker 1: and it was snowing, and I realized too the scope

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Speaker 1: So that made it a little bit difficult. But ended

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Speaker 1: up with a good shot and one shot killed it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, working your way up to being not mj or

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Speaker 2: Lebron but nkole Jokic.

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Speaker 1: Maybe mingus Yeah, yeah, he's doing good.

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Speaker 2: Someday soon, all right, joining us on the line. First

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Speaker 2: is Matt Daniels, who went on a seventy year quest

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Speaker 2: to track down the amount of his dad's record book

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Speaker 2: White Tail. Matt, Welcome to the show. Hell, go on,

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Speaker 2: guys up, Matt. First thing, tell us about your dad

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Speaker 2: killing this deer?

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Speaker 5: Well, well, so my dad started bohunting back in the

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Speaker 5: early nineties and never was much of a trophy hunter,

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Speaker 5: didn't really care about the size of the antlers provide

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Speaker 5: for the family. And he happened to go into a

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Speaker 5: property one day and climbed up in a cedar tree,

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Speaker 5: was just sitting on a ceedar limb with his bow

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Speaker 5: in his lap, and that thing came walking through.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. And this this happened in what nineteen ninety five? Correct?

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Speaker 5: Ninety correct?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So your dad he recognizes this as a big buck,

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Speaker 2: but maybe doesn't understand the full scope of what just happened.

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Speaker 2: So he does get the deer mounted, right, Yeah, he did,

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Speaker 2: he got that originally. Okay, So he has it mounted,

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Speaker 2: kills it in nineteen ninety five, and then tell us

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Speaker 2: what happens in two thousand.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so somewhere in two thousand, just still before I

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Speaker 5: was born, he ended up selling it, selling them out

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Speaker 5: to a collector.

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Speaker 2: And then I before you were born, At what point

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Speaker 2: do you find out that this deer ever existed and

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Speaker 2: that your dad killed this thing?

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Speaker 5: I think it was twenty seventeen. He pulled a polaroid

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Speaker 5: picture out of his dresser door and was showing it

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Speaker 5: to me, and that was the first time I'd ever

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Speaker 5: seen any pictures of it. And so there I started

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Speaker 5: asking him, like, man, what did I think score? Because

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Speaker 5: you can tell from the picture that's just a giant deer.

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Speaker 5: And he had never had it scored until the person

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Speaker 5: that he sold it to came and scored it, and

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Speaker 5: he remembered it being two hundred inches neck and I

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Speaker 5: was like, there's no way, like that's that's a state

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Speaker 2: It till fifteen thousand. Do you make a fifteen thousand

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Speaker 2: For me, Okay, And at that point, Matt, it gets

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Speaker 5: He confirmed that he did own it, sent me a

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Speaker 2: So it feels like, again Matt has hit a dead end,

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Speaker 2: and you guys, should watch this episode of Media Radio

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Speaker 5: So after about two or three years of talking to

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Speaker 5: much that I don't own any more. Bass Pro has it.

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Speaker 5: So from there I'm thinking, well, maybe I'll at least

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: So pretty much it was another You're like year and

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Speaker 2: Yer Okay, and it must have been good news because

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Speaker 5: At first they just confirmed that they did own it,

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Speaker 2: And shortly thereafter the thing showed up at your front door.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So five weeks later he gets the rack. What

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Speaker 2: There you go, well, it looks magnificent. Now, at some

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Speaker 5: Right, yep, yep, it's entered as pass pro as the owner,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean it's so there's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, even though when they draw them, I think they're

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's actually only about fifteen miles from where he

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Speaker 2: What's your dad's attitude been like throughout this seven year

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Speaker 5: He never really cared that much about getting the replica

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Speaker 2: Amazing deer. We're happy that you were able to track

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Speaker 2: How did your fall go this year? Match? When I

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Speaker 5: I was just going out a dough last evening and

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Speaker 2: All right, Matt, Well, congrats on tracking down that deer

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for joining us. Thanks Matt seven year quest.

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Speaker 2: I just met the rest of my life trying to

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Speaker 1: M Yeah, I'm glad he has that I was gonna

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Speaker 1: if you don't know that the replica antlers, will you

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Speaker 2: Well? Were you not there when Dustin Huff brought in Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if you knew you had a fifty percent chance of

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00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 2: guessing whether or not that thing was real or fake.

441
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 2: I don't think.

442
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 1: But what if you just had like the skull capped

443
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 1: antlers and it was a and you're holding it, like,

444
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 1: do they do the weight?

445
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 2: I imagine it's it's got to be pretty dang similar.

446
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 2: I can't, I can.

447
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, on that sheep mount that John

448
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: Hayes did for me, I mean you can't tell the

449
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: weight and everything. I mean, it's spot on.

450
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can see that buck. It sounds like at

451
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 2: the Wonders of Wildlife Museum from bass Pro. I don't

452
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 2: think we specifically touched on it there, but in one

453
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 2: of the articles that was written about Matt's story, bass

454
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 2: Pro told Matt that the real antlers will never be

455
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 2: on display anywhere. They're always going to be hidden away

456
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: in some storage room. If you go and try to

457
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 2: look at that buck of Matt's dads, which is now

458
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 2: officially the Kansas state record for typical white tails, you're

459
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 2: always looking at a replica.

460
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 1: That's sad.

461
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: That is sad. I think so too. I'd just rather

462
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 2: not know at that point. Yeah, all right, moving on,

463
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 2: our next segment is show and tell Mannie.

464
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 8: The show has step Manie, The show has Step Boom

465
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 8: many a show.

466
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 2: Step Spencer, Brata Rock.

467
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 8: What else did you inspect?

468
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: What? Another fine jingle from Let's start with you? What

469
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 2: did you.

470
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: Phil's jingles?

471
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 2: For a few more minutes, bring to show the classroom.

472
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 1: Well, since we're on the theme of bobcats.

473
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that is that is the theme.

474
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 4: Huh.

475
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: Yanni has a live Bobcat in the studio.

476
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: I've never I've never properly like done a post about

477
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 1: this this guy a lot of people. Maybe you can

478
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: watch the episode where Jake and I go and kill

479
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: this bobcat.

480
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 9: Uh.

481
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: It's in Montana. Mingus was not in on the on

482
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: the the catch, but it was such a specimen. Jake

483
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: said that I should definitely kill it and get it mounted.

484
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: How heavy was that thing? Twenty five pounds?

485
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 4: Oh?

486
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: I was going to guess twenty eight on the nose

487
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 2: that's like upper end, that's beefy.

488
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, monster. I think they get bigger in the Midwest,

489
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: but what they don't have in the Midwest is a

490
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: belly like that. Yeah. If you can see that. But

491
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: that that is what makes a high dollar bobcat is

492
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: when you have that big, wide white belly with those

493
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: beautiful black spots.

494
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 2: I've seen three bobcats in real life out in nature

495
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: while I was doing something else. They were all half

496
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: of this size. This this thing looks enormous to me.

497
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: Oh it's yeah. The one I killed yesterday was well

498
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: we guess it at fifteen pounds, so ten pounds less,

499
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: and it seemed like it was half the size. But yeah.

500
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: John Hayes did the tax durmy. It's actually a pillow mount.

501
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: Clay was up there and did a little video on

502
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: a kyo. John had. He he's doing a pillow mount

503
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: of and I thought, man, it'd be great to do

504
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: a pillow mount because it's it's hands on right, and

505
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 1: you can you can change its body positioning because it's

506
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: got in the old wire is working this thing around.

507
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you can totally just you know, my goodness,

508
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: that's not doesn't look normal. He's making it do the

509
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: y m c A. Now.

510
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, most most taxidermy is looking don't touch, but not

511
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: this thing.

512
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 4: No.

513
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: I figure even if if the kids that come over

514
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: to my house rub the hair off of this thing.

515
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,719
Speaker 1: It'll be, it'll be have done. It served its purpose,

516
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: you know, which is hopefully to get kids interested in

517
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: wildlife and podcasts.

518
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 3: Those pillow mounts are becoming more and more common.

519
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can't do them. John says you can't

520
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: do them on animals much bigger than this. Yeah, it

521
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: just gets harder and harder. And he said that especially

522
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: for some reason, it's very difficult to get a cat

523
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: to look good in a pillow amount. It's much easier

524
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: to do a canine for some reason, just because of

525
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: the body structure.

526
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 2: What's that thing filled with to give it that like

527
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: pillowy sensation?

528
00:25:59,400 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 7: Do you know?

529
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly. I know it's gotten the old

530
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: wire running through is the skeleton, but I don't know

531
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: what the actual pillow stuffing is.

532
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 3: Almost like memory foam or something.

533
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it bounces right back.

534
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's satisfying.

535
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

536
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: The thing I've always been impressed with with that one

537
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 3: is its face, its head, because it's just like so like.

538
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, one of my favorite things to do. I'm

539
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,239
Speaker 1: trying to position them so that folks can look right

540
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: into his eyes.

541
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Speaker 2: Do we go to a full camera just on on

542
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 2: them filled.

543
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: We can't.

544
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 10: It's not going to make it any bigger though, but

545
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 10: I will.

546
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: Uh my one of my favorite things to do this.

547
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: It used always sell on top of a bookshelf. Was

548
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: about eye level. It was cool up there. But now

549
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: what I do. My wife loves plants. There's a lot

550
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: of plants in the house.

551
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: Each had thing towards the camera to give it a

552
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: better view. This camera here, Yanni, keep going tell your story, but.

553
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: I will hide it. This is a hard multitask that

554
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: you're asking about by Spencer.

555
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: Well, i'll fill in here for a second. You hit

556
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: it in the studio today. Yeah, I just caught a

557
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 2: glance of it coming in through our window and you know,

558
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: for half a second it startled.

559
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 10: It was it was curled up under the table when

560
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 10: I walked in and staring right at the door. And

561
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 10: I walked in and I my heart skipped a beat

562
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 10: for a second.

563
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 7: It was.

564
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 10: It was not fun.

565
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'll place it kind of conspicuously, you know,

566
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: near under a plant, right, so only half of its

567
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: body showing, and you just so it looks like a

568
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: cat hiding and staring at you. We had a house

569
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: sitter while we were in Latvia, Oh, come by people

570
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: checking on chickens and getting eggs and whatnot. It startled

571
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: her so bad that she left the fridge door open

572
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: and damn near killed my fridge because she just ran

573
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: out of the house. She didn't want anything to do

574
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: with this thing. But yeah, it's amazing, Like it gets

575
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: people every time. Like Phil just saw it underneath the table.

576
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 8: Did she think it was real?

577
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 6: Real?

578
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what she thought, but she didn't want

579
00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: to it out.

580
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: I wrote an article a few years ago. It was

581
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: specific to deer taxidermy and shoulder mounts, and like, what

582
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: should you look for if you're visiting a taxi dream

583
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: I start looking at a taxi dreamist work and you

584
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: want to be confident that they're good at their job.

585
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: And they had mentioned a handful of things. The three

586
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: that stuck out to me were all regarding the face,

587
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 2: and it was about the eyes, the nose, and the

588
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: ears and those three things on this pillow. Uh just

589
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: look fabulous.

590
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: Oh, it's amazing.

591
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: That's why it makes people's heart skip a beat when

592
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 2: they see the damn thing.

593
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just are you getting yesterday's cat just tanned?

594
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just gonna tube skin it, yeah, and hang

595
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: it up somewhere in the house. And then when when

596
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: Bobcat fur prices get real high, I'm gonna cash in.

597
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 11: That.

598
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: That was a good item to bring in for show.

599
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: And tell Brody, what do you got with you today?

600
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 3: Oh, Spencer, I'm gonna take you back to a time

601
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: when people didn't waste their time watching Yellowstone and squid

602
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 3: Game and they read books.

603
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: Uh books. That is an enormous book.

604
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 10: Yeah, the Bobcats kind of in the way there. Yeah,

605
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 10: yes one.

606
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: Brody has two enormous tools with him today, stacked on

607
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: top of each other.

608
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 3: I inherited these from my dad.

609
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: They got to be about ten inches tall.

610
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

611
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 3: Both of these were published in the mid sixties. This

612
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 3: is the New Hunters Encyclopedia. Oh wow, not new anymore.

613
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: But I used to have the dust jacket for it,

614
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 3: but it fell apart.

615
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: Have you read this thing?

616
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 7: Oh?

617
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that's why I brought him. Like when I

618
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: was a kid, I used to I spent countless hours

619
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 3: reading both of these. This one is McLean's standard fishing Encyclopedia,

620
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 3: and it's like extensive, man. And the cool thing about

621
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: looking through these now is the stuff that has changed

622
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: immensely and the stuff that hasn't changed at all. It's

623
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: like because they have everything like inn here from like

624
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: guns and cartridges, you know, and a lot of that

625
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: stuff's like obsolete now. But yeah they're awesome.

626
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: And the the fishing encyclopedia, that thing looks old, but

627
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: then you put it next to your hunting encyclopedia and

628
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: it makes it look new.

629
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I mean maybe this one just

630
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: got read more from you know, mid sixties.

631
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: Well your data. I like how he labeled the inside

632
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: of the cover with his name and the and the

633
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: year that he got it. Yeah, with an older.

634
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 2: It's like a piece of tuppleware that you take the

635
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 2: pot luck. Yeah, wanted to make sure when that thing

636
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: was making the rounds.

637
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 3: These are sixty year old books and you can still

638
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: get them on Amazon. They're not that, they're not that,

639
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 3: they're not thousand dollars collector items. You can still find them.

640
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, every now and then I pull them out,

641
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 3: take a look.

642
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: It's very cool. You can you can have your sons

643
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: through those someday.

644
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 10: Yeah.

645
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: Hunting and fishing, Yeah, I mean.

646
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 3: The older one is looked through both of them a

647
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 3: little bit, but it's you know, it's a challenge these days.

648
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 3: Got a lot of competition.

649
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: Mm hm, all right. Last thing for show and tell

650
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: is what I brought today. And this is one of

651
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: my favorite white tails that I have ever killed, because

652
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: he has a super unique rack. I killed this buck

653
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: on opening day of South Dakota's rifle season in twenty sixteen.

654
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: It was the last like five minutes of shooting light.

655
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,239
Speaker 2: It was a blizzard, and this this buck was at

656
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: like one hundred yards just showed up on the edge

657
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: of this cornfield I was hunting, and I didn't have

658
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: a great look at him. I was like, man, there

659
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: is something weird with this deer. And I had to

660
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: decide kind of right then if I was going to

661
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: shoot him or not. I could see one side. On

662
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: one side, he has just a perfect standard five point

663
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: antler that looks like millions of deer walking around North

664
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: America right now. That was the side I had a

665
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: very good look at, and I was trying to pick

666
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: up what was happening on his other side. And I

667
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: didn't have a great idea until after I had actually

668
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: shot him and got up to him, and then I

669
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: still didn't fully understand it until I had skinned him,

670
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: just what was going on here? So one side the

671
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: standard five point side, the other side he has this

672
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: mutant little four point antler, and then underneath that he

673
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: has what I would consider probably be an extra main beam.

674
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: It's a twelve inch dagger that comes out of the

675
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: same pedicle. And then he's got another four inch antler

676
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: that is crawling across his skull towards his other normal antler.

677
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: And this this thing is just super goofy. I've showed

678
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,719
Speaker 2: it to some biologists about like, what do you think

679
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: happened here? And there's some common answers that they'll give you.

680
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: One of them is that deer will have not just deer,

681
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: but elk as well moose. They'll have abnormal antler growth

682
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: if they have an injury to one of their legs

683
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: because it stricts some blood flow or messes with their

684
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: blood vessels, and usually then the other antler opposite of

685
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: that leg injury will grow something funky. This year didn't

686
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: have anything like that. He was totally normal. I've shot

687
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: deer with limps and gates and injuries before. This buck

688
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: seemed quite healthy. So then the other answers that they'll

689
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: give you is they had an injury to their pedicle

690
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: down here, and that could have happened while he was

691
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: in Velvet that year, and this might have been just

692
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: a one time thing that he threw this rack, or

693
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: it could have been permanent damage. I'll never know. I

694
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: didn't have any history with this buck. But maybe my

695
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: favorite thing about this year is that I don't remember

696
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: when I scored him. I scored him after I'd skinn

697
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: him out. He was in the one forties. But this antler,

698
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: it was like sixty some inches of antler when you're

699
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: scoring him. The other antler was only one inch difference.

700
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: They almost scored the exactly.

701
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Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, like, it's interesting, how on that?

702
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 3: What would be his side?

703
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: Uh huh?

704
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 3: You know you got you got these like dinky little

705
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 3: times here.

706
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: It's like this care that one is kind of loose.

707
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: He was fighting with this one.

708
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that one, Like this thing suck the energy

709
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: out of this though totally, you know what I mean.

710
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: And I asked a biologist. I was like, so, what

711
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: was he just destined to throw the same amount of

712
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: antlers no matter how it came out, with what shape?

713
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: He was going to grow, and they said, no, that

714
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: was just a coincidence, more than likely. But this is

715
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: this is one of my favorite white tails that I've

716
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: ever killed.

717
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: Because did you know he existed before you saw him?

718
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: Had no history with this deer. He had actually my

719
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: dad had a tag that year as well. He was

720
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: hunting about a half mile away, and this buck had

721
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: walked by him that evening and it was through some

722
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 2: timber and he didn't have a good look at it either.

723
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: And he was with my brother who did not have

724
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: a tag, and and they both also had a conversation

725
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 2: like what was up with that deer? There was something

726
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: goofy going on? Or like was there another smaller buck

727
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: next to him that we just like couldn't get a

728
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: good look at his antlers? But this is one of

729
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: my favorite deer I've ever killed. All Right, that is

730
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: it for Show and Tell today. Let's take a break

731
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: for some listener feedback. Phil, what's the chat?

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00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: I have to say?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, before we get to that though, I mentioned this

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00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 10: once before, but for those of you who are listening

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Speaker 10: click when I usually post this episode the day before,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you can't remember that, we go live

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Speaker 2: every Thursday at noon Central time, follow Phil's directions.

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Speaker 10: There sure thing we have a question from a woman

759
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 10: named Linda. She says to ask Spencer about his very

760
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 10: first hunt when he fell asleep. Oh that's Linda Newheart. Yeah, well,

761
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 10: what's this story?

762
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: That is my mom. I had a youth tag. I

763
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 2: was probably fourteen years old. I was on a deer hunt.

764
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 2: I think it was around Christmas. We had to go

765
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: to church that night, and I fell asleep while my

766
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: dad and I were sitting there. And I didn't know

767
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: this until later. I woke up because a raccoon was

768
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 2: walking by at some point. Didn't kill anything. But later

769
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: on my dad had told my mom, I don't think

770
00:36:58,760 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: Spencer's going to be a hunt too.

771
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: Just don't.

772
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: Think this is for him. So that was my first

773
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: ever dear hunt. But but I proved him wrong.

774
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: Great.

775
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 10: We have a question from Rashad, who is asking for

776
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 10: tips on identifying critter burrows. This is I don't know

777
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 10: if you guys have any of these. I thought I

778
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 10: asked you in his New Year's resolution is to catch

779
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 10: a red fox that'll settle for a coyote.

780
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: I don't have any tips. Anytime I look at someone like,

781
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: oh that's a badger or a coyote or a fox,

782
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: I never I never have.

783
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of them. I think we'll like

784
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: change it up, move into someone else's spot, like different speed.

785
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: I think tracks, Yeah, I find tracks at the mouth

786
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: to see who's using it.

787
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, set up a camera right next to it, or

788
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: see the damn thing, because they go in and on

789
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 2: of them often. It's not like they go down there

790
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: and just, uh, you know, don't come back out for

791
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: three days.

792
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 10: This is a follow up to Brody's show in tel segment,

793
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 10: but Free Crank is asking what piece of literature should

794
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 10: a hunter or outdoorsmen own. You guys have some essential

795
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 10: reading tips, Brody, what do you.

796
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 3: Get those two right there? No, the whole met eater library.

797
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: That's right there, you go.

798
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: It's a good place to start.

799
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, the entire media library. I like to tell Steve

800
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: this sometimes because it makes him feel old. But I

801
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: read his first book when I was in college. So

802
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: that's that's like Scavenger's Guide.

803
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 3: No, it was the well, it was the volume one

804
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: of the hunt Fish Small Small Game Volume one or

805
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: Big Game. I can't remember, but.

806
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: Those two Big Game.

807
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: I mean, literature is like there's literature and then there's

808
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 3: like guide books, you know, not that there. You know

809
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

810
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I'm with you. Like, if you want

811
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: some cool like Sand County Almanac, Yeah, that's definitely a

812
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: good place to start.

813
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: What's his name cool adventure stories? Capstick? Yeah, the Robert

814
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: Ruart spell.

815
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 2: Like Chapstick, which is weird, right, I'm thinking of something else?

816
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Robert good. Yep, he's got some good.

817
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: Thomas mcguain has fish and stuff. He's even got a

818
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 3: couple of good hunting stories.

819
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 2: What else you got?

820
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 10: Phil Jared is asking for some for a pertinent tip here.

821
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 10: He's at North Alabama, was expecting snow and ice starting

822
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 10: tomorrow around six am. He's asking if he should hunt

823
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 10: this evening or focus on a morning hunt after a

824
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 10: possible storm hunt both.

825
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 2: Uh So this this snow storm is coming at six am,

826
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: should I hunt this evening or focus the morning hunt?

827
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of big buck killers would

828
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 2: tell you that white tails know when there is a

829
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 2: front coming, and they will act on that and they'll

830
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 2: be on their feet more. It would take you know,

831
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: a lot of tracking and journaling to act actually prove

832
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: that out, But like I said, common white tail hunting

833
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: knowledge would say that they're really going to be moving

834
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: this evening because they also know what the forecast is.

835
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 1: I found that to be true. And then like during

836
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: this storm, sure you can go and find them, but

837
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: it can just be kind of miserable and they're not

838
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: on their feet. Doesn't seem like quite as much. They

839
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: can be huddled in some hole somewhere. But right when

840
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: it breaks, it's gonna be good.

841
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 10: Yeah, anything else, Phil, Yeah, we got a couple more,

842
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 10: but let's just do one for now. I guess this

843
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 10: is a question for Yannis or anybody, but Nate's asking

844
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 10: if there's a price difference if for a pillow mount.

845
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what the price difference is, but that

846
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: pillow amount, in my mind, was not cheap. It was

847
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: about fourteen hundred dollars. Okay, gotcha, which is.

848
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 3: Probably what you pay for like an elk shoulder mount

849
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 3: something like that.

850
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've know, well we did. I've only shoulder mount

851
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: in one critter in my life, but I would know

852
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: because we had a trivia question one time about the

853
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 2: average price of a shoulder mount. I think I looked

854
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: at like twenty different taxidermists all across the country, and

855
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: I don't remember the exact number, but it was like

856
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: six hundred eighty seven dollars something like that was the

857
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: average price. So you get, you know, a couple big

858
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: old white tail shoulder mounted or one bobcat pillow. I

859
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: think I'd go with the bobcat pillow. Those are significantly more.

860
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 1: Rare, Yeah, and much easier to move around.

861
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like if you got a life size mount of

862
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 3: that thing, like in some habitat, it'd be at least

863
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 3: as much, but you wouldn't have it'd be like, yeah,

864
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: you put it there, it's there forever.

865
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

866
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 2: To answer one of the questions that we had about

867
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: books that outdoorsmen should read, this is something we've written

868
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 2: a lot about on the meat eater dot com. I'm

869
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: going to read you some headlines here. You can just

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00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: go to our website type in books and you're gonna

871
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: get all these results. Four books every white tail hunter

872
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: should read. Six more books every white tail hunter should read.

873
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: Those were Mark Kenyon, The Best Book for out The

874
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: Best Books for outdoor Kids. Eight books every Hunter should Read.

875
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: That was Steve.

876
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: Five must read fly fishing books. That was Mark Kenyon.

877
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 2: Brody a couple of times wrote what are your ask,

878
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 2: meat Eater, what are your book Recommendations Part one and two.

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00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: We had mark to another article, the Ultimate Recommended Reading

880
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: List for Hunters, So that'll answer your question much more

881
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: thorough than we just did.

882
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Speaker 1: Nice.

883
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 2: All right, Our next segment is Hot Tip Off.

884
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 5: Turn your head.

885
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: What's that face?

886
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: That's salty? That's salty?

887
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 4: Wow.

888
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: Never did I think Chapel rowing would get a shout

889
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: out on the Meat Eater airwave. She is the one

890
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: who sings the song that Phil was doing a spoof off.

891
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 5: H O T t O.

892
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 10: That's one of my more my more modern Phil.

893
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: I feel like you've got the potential to really get

894
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 3: a weird Al Yankovic career going.

895
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 10: No, that's so kind of you, Brody. I think it

896
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 10: might be. Uh, you're giving me a lot more credit

897
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 10: than Oh.

898
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: No, I don't think Brody's wrong at all. I think

899
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: you're honestly You're like, I mean, we love having you here,

900
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: but you're not easing your talent what you could?

901
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: Uh, you go home and you ask your daughters who

902
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: Chapel Roane is and see what kind of answer you get.

903
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: All right.

904
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: Hot tip Off is where two members of the crew

905
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 2: go head to head with competing pieces of advice and

906
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: after we hear each tip, we'll declare which one is hotter.

907
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: In the chat, we're gonna listen to you guys as well.

908
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: You let us know which hot tip you like.

909
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: Better.

910
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: Take it away, Phil Cory Culkins.

911
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 9: This is Corey Culkins, and I got another hot tip

912
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 9: for you. I just killed a bowl elk a couple

913
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 9: of days ago, and I got him hanging in my

914
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 9: garage along with my mule deer buck that shot a

915
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 9: couple of days before. That perfect temp by thirty eight

916
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 9: thirty nine degrees in my garage for hanging, had the

917
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 9: deer hanging for about five days, the elk for three days.

918
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 7: Now.

919
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 9: Probably work on the deer first. By the time I'm

920
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 9: done with my elk, it'll probably have hung for just

921
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 9: about a week.

922
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: But there's a little bit of.

923
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 9: Hair residue left on this animal. It's so hard to

924
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 9: keep all the hair off those animals in the field,

925
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 9: so you could do this for hours and still not

926
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 9: get all the hair off. Some of it's kind of

927
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 9: stuck on there from the blood. But if you use

928
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 9: a torch, which I know a lot of people use

929
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 9: for waterfowl, getting some of those fine feathers off of

930
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 9: ducks and geese works really well for your red meat too,

931
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 9: So hit away with a little heat.

932
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: Job some of these.

933
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 5: See up here's a front shoulder.

934
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: Hair.

935
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 6: What hair.

936
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: You can hear it, says one.

937
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 10: I like that satisfying.

938
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: I can smell it too.

939
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 9: Save a little bit of knife work works so well.

940
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: Maggie Huddlo.

941
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 4: Boilcome do another hot tip off on media to Radio Live.

942
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 4: I'm Maggie Hullo and I'm joined by Bill here. We

943
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 4: are talking about Bill's feet today and my tip Bill

944
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 4: is a dog. How you protect hairy dog's feet in

945
00:45:54,840 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 4: the winter. So Bill has got some grinch paws on

946
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 4: him and they collect eye spawls like son of a

947
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 4: gun in the lenner. So the best thing that I've found,

948
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 4: because booties aren't working, bi, what have you cut? And

949
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not doing that. I'm not putting them

950
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 4: in those silly little overall things either, not doing that

951
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 4: to my dog. Best thing I've found is this. It's

952
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 4: called musher secret and it's a salve you gotta put

953
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 4: on and you just make sure you get it up

954
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 4: in this part of their paw, in between their toes,

955
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 4: in all those places where the ice sticks. And then

956
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 4: when they're out running around in the snow. They're not

957
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 4: stopping all the time to you know, chew eyeballs out

958
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 4: of their feet and you don't have to pick it

959
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 4: out of their feet, and it's better time for everyone.

960
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 4: So hope that helps for somebody, and go on, get

961
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 4: your dog outside.

962
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 10: They need it and you do too, sick.

963
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 6: See all right, we're about halfway through our walk. Tonight

964
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 6: is fifteen degrees and the timp is dropping. So let's

965
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 6: check out Bill's feet here. You're a big horse. You

966
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 6: can tell there's some snow in there, but it's not

967
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 6: ice ball, so it's not hurting him. He's not getting stores.

968
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 6: It's pretty much just loose snow which sticks all over

969
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 6: him anyway, so he's a happy dog.

970
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: All right.

971
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: We're now gonna discuss which tip we think is hotter

972
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: in the meantime chat get your votes in let us

973
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 2: know if you think you like Corey's hot tip about

974
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: torching venison hides, or if you like Maggie's hot tip

975
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: about treating dog feet better. I'll go first to me.

976
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: Corey's feels like it's kind of well known, Like I

977
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: feel like most folks who have a deer hanging in

978
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 2: their ground. Probably also know that you hit that thing

979
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: with a torch. Now, I'm not a hairy footed dog owner.

980
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 2: I'm an aspiring hairy footed dog owner. But I don't

981
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 2: know if that one is as common or not. But

982
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give my vote to Maggie.

983
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: What do you guys think, I'm kind of in the

984
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: same boat. I knew about both of them, so I

985
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: didn't learn too much today. But yeah, I don't know.

986
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: I'm lucky Mingus doesn't need any salve on his feet.

987
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: Your dog probably does.

988
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 3: My dog does. And if you're hanging I love Corey,

989
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 3: but if you're hanging meat in your garage for a week,

990
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 3: you're gonna that meat is gonna develop a rind on it,

991
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 3: a hard rind, and you're just gonna cut it off anyway.

992
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 3: So like a few hairs on it not gonna hurt anything.

993
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: But you're like not bringing it, you know, say you're

994
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: bringing into your kitchen. You're not bringing that mess into

995
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: your cutting board. Maybe I still do well if you

996
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 2: got hairs on there and they're rubbing off and everything else,

997
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm always hitting it with a torch.

998
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: It's probably the only reason I own a torch.

999
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: Actually, I never do tell you.

1000
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: What are you voting for? Brody Maggie? All right, it's

1001
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: unanimous in here, Phil, What is the chance.

1002
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 10: It's definitely leaning Maggie. I gotta okay. But also we

1003
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 10: have a private comment from an upcoming guest who says,

1004
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 10: torch the hair off the dog's feet. Boom, Okay, I

1005
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 10: wouldn't do that.

1006
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: Don't do that.

1007
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: That's a good viet And our last interview is with

1008
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: Ben Dedamanti. But before we talk to him, we're going

1009
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: to show you a crazy video of Ben shooting a

1010
00:49:34,000 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 2: bull elk at four yards. Play the clip, Phil. You

1011
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: can see that video on this YouTube video, or you

1012
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 2: can go to Ben's instagram at shed Crazy to watch it.

1013
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: But here's the plot twist. Ben was the second of

1014
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 2: three guys to shoot that bull that day, and he's

1015
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: here now to talk to us about that unusual hunt. Ben,

1016
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 2: welcome to the show.

1017
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:21,720
Speaker 7: Thanks.

1018
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: Let's go on, hey, Ben, start from the very beginning

1019
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: of that hunt on opening morning.

1020
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, what's utah over the counter. It's a very

1021
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 7: low success hunt, low density of elk on the unit,

1022
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 7: and we had found some bulls kind of in a

1023
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 7: deserty area that were by themselves, and we were super

1024
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 7: hopeful that we'd have these bulls to ourselves, but it

1025
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 7: didn't actually turn out that way. We went out to

1026
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 7: the area to hunt these elk on opening morning and

1027
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 7: we found the elk where they had been for basically

1028
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 7: the whole summer. We were watching them from across the canyon,

1029
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 7: and we sent one body in kind of on a

1030
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 7: stalk to get in the path of the bulls so

1031
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 7: that he'd be able to get an opportunity at him.

1032
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 7: And as we're watching these bulls come up onto this

1033
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 7: little plateau in the glass, I noticed another hunter there.

1034
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 7: And we'd never see anybody out there during scouting, and

1035
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 7: it's not an area where very many people hunt, so

1036
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 7: I figured we'd maybe have it to ourselves. Anyway, we

1037
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 7: kind of sat back and watched it unfold. I threw

1038
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 7: the phone on the phone on the adapter on the

1039
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 7: all and we started watching to see what would go down. Anyway,

1040
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 7: the elk away it was headed up, walked right to

1041
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 7: this other hunter just randomly happened to be on that path,

1042
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 7: and we were able to kind of get it on video.

1043
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 7: We saw him crouch down behind a rock and saw

1044
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 7: the elk walk in front of him at about sixty

1045
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 7: or seventy yards, and as the bull got kind of

1046
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 7: pasted him, it started to turn broadside. Then it ended

1047
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 7: up kind of facing away, and that's the moment he shot.

1048
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 7: I think he thought it was going to go fully broadside,

1049
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 7: and he ended up hitting the bowl through kind of

1050
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 7: the arm meet low the shoulder above the knee, and

1051
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 7: the arrow passed through that shoulder and was hanging out

1052
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 7: by the fletchings. And so obviously we were kind of bombed,

1053
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 7: you know, thinking, here's our bull that we're out here

1054
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 7: to try to try to hunt today, and he's he's

1055
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 7: now been shot by this other hunter.

1056
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: So we watched how far were you watching this unfold from?

1057
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 7: Ben? We were probably fifteen hundred yards away on a

1058
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 7: glassy knob, and so we had the spotters and everything

1059
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 7: set up, and we were just kind of kicked back

1060
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 7: and we knew our buddy was somewhere in that area,

1061
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 7: but I didn't know exactly where. So we watched the bowl.

1062
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 7: It runs out maybe one hundred yards, stands around, puts

1063
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 7: some weight on his leg, starts walking normally, and it

1064
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 7: ends up traveling about another thousand or fifteen hundred yards

1065
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 7: and dropping into a small canyon. So we kind of

1066
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 7: sat back and thought, well, we'll just watch this play out,

1067
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 7: see what happens. We watched the other hunter, and for

1068
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 7: about four hours, he never moved to recover the bowl

1069
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 7: at all and never went anywhere over in that direction,

1070
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 7: and so we sent a friend over just to check

1071
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 7: with him and see what.

1072
00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 2: His plan was.

1073
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 7: There was another bowl with it as well, and they

1074
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 7: both kind of went down a little canyon together, and

1075
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 7: you know, these are the only two elk in this hilario,

1076
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 7: so we're thinking, like, we still kind of like to

1077
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 7: hunt these elk. So we sent a friend to talk

1078
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 7: to the first hunter, and he said he had some

1079
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 7: people coming out to help him and they were going

1080
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 7: to go recover this bowl. And we let him know

1081
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 7: that it was hitting the leg and he thought that

1082
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 7: he had hit it in the body cavity. So there

1083
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 7: was kind of a little moment there where we didn't,

1084
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 7: you know, a misunderstanding whatever. So during all this, the

1085
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 7: two bowls kind of split up. The one bowl the

1086
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 7: other bowl was this one horn five point I had

1087
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 7: one antler, and we were totally interested in hunting that elk.

1088
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 7: So we told the other hunter, we're going to go

1089
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 7: in and try to kill the one horn bowl, and

1090
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 7: I guess we'll see what happens. So where the video

1091
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 7: kind of kicks in is me, I'm moving in to

1092
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 7: shoot this one horn five point and as I walk

1093
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 7: up to the edge of the cliff there, I realized

1094
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 7: the six point that this other hunter is hit is

1095
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 7: now right below me. He's moved back around underneath the

1096
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 7: ledge and he's just posted up right there. By the

1097
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 7: time I knew he was there, I mean, he was

1098
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 7: already twenty yards or less away from me. So I

1099
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 7: just went, well, here's a bowl he's obviousally hit. I'm

1100
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 7: going to walk in there and I'm going to finish

1101
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 7: the deal and then we'll work it out. So you

1102
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 7: see me walk into the edge there. The wind is

1103
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 7: just absolutely ripping up out of that canyon. I draw

1104
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 7: a walk off shoot that bowl, and my fletching's actually

1105
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 7: kind of contacted the rock and hit the bowl in

1106
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 7: the shoulder, but it penetrated through the shoulder. The bowl

1107
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 7: spins and the arrow kind of backs out and then

1108
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 7: it runs down the canyon, and so I'm kind of hectic.

1109
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 7: I'm like oh, I need a follow up shot for

1110
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 7: sure on the celt and he runs down into the

1111
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 7: bottom of the canyon, so I start moving around parallel

1112
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 7: to get another shot at him. I actually took another

1113
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 7: shot there and just missed him because of the wind.

1114
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 7: It just blew the arrow clear off. And as I'm

1115
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 7: moving over towards him, I hear my buddy click on

1116
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 7: the radio, who had you know, earlier in the day

1117
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 7: gone on the stalk and he says, Hey, that bull

1118
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 7: just ran past me and I put a perfect arrow

1119
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 7: in it. So I'm like, all right, well, this is

1120
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 7: a you know, crazy situation. Now we got three people

1121
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 7: hit this bowl. But I'm super glad that, you know,

1122
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 7: the elk is a least down and this is only

1123
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 7: just a couple of minutes after I had hit it.

1124
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 7: So I walked to the edge and the bowl was

1125
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 7: kind of like expiring. I think my friend put one

1126
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 7: more arrow in it and the whole ordeal was done.

1127
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 7: So that's kind of the whole story of how that

1128
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 7: bowl got killed. But insane to have three people. I mean,

1129
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 7: when I posted on Instagram, I was like, this is

1130
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 7: standard Utah over the counter stuff, because it seems like

1131
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 7: this stuff happens on these over the counter units. But

1132
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 7: it did kind of turn into a little bit of

1133
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 7: a social media debacle after that. The first hunter he

1134
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 7: came down and I was I wasn't there for this part.

1135
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 7: I had gone back to get the truck, but had

1136
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 7: a bit of a confrontation with my friend who was

1137
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 7: the third shooter in this scenario, and he ended up

1138
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 7: putting a post on Facebook and it went viral, kind

1139
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 7: of like I guess, defaming the third hunter, and it

1140
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 7: turned to this big, ugly ordeal.

1141
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: So luckily, you know what was Ben what was his

1142
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: problem with the whole thing?

1143
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 7: He thought that we should have well, obviously, I think

1144
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 7: his biggest problem was that I went in there when

1145
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 7: the ball was wounded, right, He thought, you know, I

1146
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 7: should have backed out totally, and in hindsight, you know,

1147
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 7: everything being what it is, I may have done that.

1148
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 7: Like my intention was to shoot this other bowl, and

1149
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 7: then it just kind of worked out the way that

1150
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 7: it did. Yeah, I don't want it for being frustrated.

1151
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 7: But he was able to look to and see where

1152
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 7: he'd hit the elk, and when we you know, obviously

1153
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 7: were butchering the bowl, we saw where my arrow entered

1154
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 7: we saw my buddies and we saw where he had

1155
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 7: hit it, and there was nothing close to fatal on

1156
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 7: the shot.

1157
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 2: Then tell us one more time, Ben, tell us one

1158
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 2: more time. Where all three of these arrows wound up

1159
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 2: in the thing from the first hunter, you and then

1160
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 2: the third hunter.

1161
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 7: So the first hunter hit it below the shoulder and

1162
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 7: above the knee, so kind of threw the arm meet

1163
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 7: from the back to the front, and the arrow was

1164
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 7: hanging out the front. Here I hit the bowl in

1165
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 7: the shoulder blade and it got through and it hit

1166
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 7: for sure hit the close sidelong. I don't know if

1167
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 7: it got into the off side lung and then my

1168
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 7: buddy hit it just perfect square in the lungs. And

1169
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 7: so so when we all talked about that, when we

1170
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 7: looked at the bowl, we just decided that, you know,

1171
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 7: my buddy put the most lethal arrow on it. He

1172
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 7: was the last shoot. I didn't feel like I had

1173
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 7: any claim on the bowl because I'm just the middle

1174
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 7: guy in this giant cluster, you know what I mean.

1175
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 7: So I decided and my buddy decided that he should

1176
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 7: tag it. And him tagging it really, you know, upset

1177
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 7: this kid and ended up having a bit of a

1178
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 7: confrontation over it, so it all ended up kind of

1179
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 7: going bigger than we wanted it to. An officer from

1180
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 7: the fishing game came out and investigated it. After that,

1181
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 7: the post went viral on Facebook and he said there

1182
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 7: was no wrongdoing and everything got worked out in the end.

1183
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 7: What we ended up doing that I think really solved it.

1184
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 7: Has just got on the phone with everybody and with

1185
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 7: the other hunter and made some apologies and everybody kind

1186
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 7: of just walked away from it and let it be.

1187
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 7: But it was just like one of those scenarios you

1188
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 7: hoped to never run into, and you would never walk

1189
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 7: into intentionally on public land, but kind of got out

1190
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 7: of control. And that's kind of why, Like, I mean,

1191
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 7: this happened back in August, and I haven't shared a

1192
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 7: ton about it because it's such a wild scenario and

1193
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 7: it just kind of feels weird. But anyway, that's a story.

1194
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 2: Tell us about the messaging of the Facebook post and

1195
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 2: how Hunter number one had sort of portrayed the event.

1196
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, so he basically said, I shot this bowl, I

1197
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 7: went to blood track it when I found it, there

1198
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 7: was somebody else gutting it. That was his story he

1199
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 7: put on Facebook. He said it was about an hour later,

1200
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 7: and so he made it seem like he'd made a

1201
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 7: fatal shot and he went to recover the bowl and

1202
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 7: somebody else was there, and so I had footage, you know,

1203
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 7: from the whole scenario, from him shooting, to me shooting,

1204
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 7: to us recovering it with time stamps, and so I

1205
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 7: had to eventually put together a little YouTube video that

1206
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 7: I could share for context for the people who were

1207
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 7: kind of wrapped up in the whole drama the situation.

1208
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 7: And as you guys know, when anything happens and it

1209
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 7: gets out there on the social media world, it can

1210
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 7: just spiral so fast.

1211
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 2: How much time had passed between like Hunter number one

1212
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 2: shooting the yelk and then you wind up going on

1213
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 2: a stock and coming upon.

1214
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 7: It five hours. So he shot it around seven am

1215
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 7: and I shot it right at noon.

1216
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 2: And what was his plan to recover this bull or

1217
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 2: to get another arrow in it?

1218
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 7: He just said that he was waiting for his dad

1219
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 7: and some friends to come out and help him look

1220
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 7: for it, and then they were going to go after it.

1221
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 7: But I don't know exactly what he was wanting to do.

1222
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 7: Like from his angle, he couldn't see the bull, and

1223
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 7: we could see it up the canyon and we told him,

1224
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 7: we're like it. When our friend went over and talked

1225
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 7: to him, told him, it's on its feet, it's not

1226
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 7: hit bad, it's just acting like an elk. So it

1227
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 7: turned into this whole ordeal.

1228
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: Did he like, was he optimistic that he was going

1229
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 2: to recover this thing? Did he think he had put

1230
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 2: a lethal shot on it?

1231
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 7: I don't know, because he had video two of the

1232
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 7: bull after the shot, so I think he was kind

1233
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 7: of maybe in a spot where I think he told

1234
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 7: his friends that he'd hit it fatally and hit it good,

1235
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 7: but then maybe when he reviewed through the footage he

1236
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 7: knew that he didn't, so he kind of had to

1237
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 7: have a moment too, and he looked at the elk

1238
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 7: and with the officer and everything, they said, well, if

1239
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 7: you hit this bull bidally, there'd be a hole right

1240
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 7: here and there's not, so and they basically had to

1241
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 7: kind of come to an agreement on that.

1242
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: But it was dumb and it was.

1243
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 7: Kind of ugly. But it's just I mean, the video

1244
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 7: that I got out of it was kind of cool.

1245
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 7: But all in all hindsight, being what it is, I

1246
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 7: probably would have handed a little bit different and just

1247
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 7: maybe chilled out a little more and went damn again

1248
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 7: or something.

1249
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1250
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 2: And what was the game warden's messaging towards you, because

1251
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 2: he had talked to you not before they went and

1252
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 2: looked at the carcass, right, he had talked to you afterwards.

1253
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, he called me after they'd done an investigation and

1254
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 7: he's like, just wanted to let you know, like, I've

1255
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 7: been out there. We looked over the carcass and everything.

1256
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 7: There was absolutely no wrongdoing that I can find there.

1257
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 7: There's nothing illegal. There's no legal issue here at all.

1258
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 7: So it's just kind of something that hunters have to

1259
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 7: work out in that scenario, as it's been figured out

1260
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 7: in the past. And Utah, I guess it's not a

1261
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 7: law but more of a precedent. The person who puts

1262
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 7: a final arrow or finishes off the animal is the

1263
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 7: one who supposedly has the right to claim it. That's

1264
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 7: how it's been decided in the past.

1265
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I feel like it all went the right way,

1266
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: especially hearing that you guys had had a little zoom

1267
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: meeting and everybody apologize and so everybody's happy or at

1268
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: least like stable now.

1269
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, we're all on good terms, you know. And

1270
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 7: the thing too, I live in a small town. These

1271
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 7: are local guys, so the last thing I want to

1272
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 7: do is start a big local stink, you know.

1273
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1274
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 7: So yeah, we're all on good terms with it. And

1275
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 7: I think, sure the first shooter is disappointed, and you know,

1276
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 7: nobody's happy that that post ended up going viral with

1277
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 7: names in it, but it is kind of is what

1278
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 7: it is at the end of the day, count and

1279
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 7: do it.

1280
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And how I came upon your story, Ben was

1281
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 2: I saw that video on Instagram, which is an epic

1282
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 2: stock with just like the wind ripping like it is,

1283
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 2: and you said you would you had You can see

1284
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 2: your bow moving. That's not the wind doing that. You're

1285
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 2: trying to counter the wind to keep your arrow on

1286
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 2: the rest, right.

1287
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, my hear keeps blowing sideways out of the rest

1288
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 7: and it almost came out of the cage there even

1289
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 7: so I keep shaking it sideways to keep it. And

1290
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 7: it hadn't been that windy all day, but it was

1291
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 7: just like the last maybe five minutes of that stock,

1292
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 7: it just really kicked up out of the canyon.

1293
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: It was wild.

1294
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the this is the kind of over

1295
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 2: the counter experience the guys joke about, but like, doesn't

1296
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 2: you know ever really happen where three different dudes shoot

1297
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 2: the same elk?

1298
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I mean sadly around here, it does happen,

1299
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 7: and it's not that uncommon, I think in my years

1300
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 7: of hunting over the counter elk in Utah, this is

1301
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 7: the third bowl that multiple groups have put arrows into. Well, no,

1302
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 7: the other two were rifle balls. Yeah, yeah, you know

1303
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 7: this is this is more unique in that fact, for sure.

1304
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, we hear that down here in Montana too. I

1305
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: got a question for you. I know, you hit a

1306
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: rock a little bit, but it looks like you hit

1307
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: the shoulder blade. It's probably what limited your penetration? Are

1308
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: you gonna have? You have to change your arrow because

1309
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: of what you saw there? Are you pretty happy with

1310
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: the penetration you got?

1311
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 7: Well, I don't know if I'm going full like thousand

1312
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 7: grain ranch ferry status or anything like that. I definitely no.

1313
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 7: I know that I have a heavy arrow, I have

1314
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 7: a long draw, I shoot seventy three pounds, and you know,

1315
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 7: I'm not worried about my setup at all in that scenario.

1316
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 7: It was just more it also did kind of hit

1317
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 7: that ridge of the shoulder blade, that heavy part of

1318
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 7: the shoulder blade. To me, it's like most scenarios that

1319
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 7: arrow is going to do the trick. But I just

1320
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 7: need to not shoot him on the shoulder. That's the

1321
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 7: biggest thing.

1322
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 2: All right, Ben, Well, thanks for joining us to share

1323
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 2: the story, and good luck with shed hunting this year.

1324
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks guys, Thanks Ben.

1325
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 2: All right, that brings this to the end of this

1326
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,439
Speaker 2: week's show. Phil, let's get some final feedback from the chat.

1327
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, last chance to get questions, and so if you

1328
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 10: have a question you would like answered, type it in

1329
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 10: right now into the live chat.

1330
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 6: Uh.

1331
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 10: Let's see here. I'll get this one out of the way.

1332
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 10: Lantern Lab says that they need a clip of me

1333
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 10: making the jingles. It takes a lot to embarrass me

1334
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 10: these days. You will never see video footage of me

1335
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 10: making the jingles.

1336
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone in the office has seen you

1337
01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 3: make no.

1338
01:03:59,080 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 7: No.

1339
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 10: Randall walked in on me a few weeks ago and

1340
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 10: I made him leave. It happened. Doctor Randall cannot see me. Oh,

1341
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 10: it happens. It happens right here, right right behind this desk.

1342
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 4: Uh.

1343
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 10: Yeah, you'll you'll never witness it. You just have to

1344
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 10: be in your imagination, which is wait, that could make

1345
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 10: so much money for this company?

1346
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 2: Do you do you have to stand up to sing?

1347
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 10: Philm okay, here's so I for the for the chapel

1348
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 10: roone one today. I tried because sitting down just I

1349
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 10: couldn't get the energy out, but the mic wasn't flexible enough,

1350
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:27,919
Speaker 10: so I had to kind of do like a weird

1351
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 10: half crouch, which is so that sounds stupid, like terrible

1352
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 10: and stupid. Right, that's a you're you're not going to

1353
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 10: see me half crouching shrieking chapel roon into a microphone.

1354
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Oh.

1355
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 2: That'd be so unless you go to karaoke on that's right, yeah,

1356
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 2: downtown Bows.

1357
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 10: Yeah, after two I pas at the eagles. Then you

1358
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 10: can see me shrieking into a microphone. This might be

1359
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 10: like a maybe this is just common courtesy stuff for hunters,

1360
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 10: but I'm curious. Rashad's asking if you're with a hunting

1361
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 10: buddy that's trying to shoot a deer and he falls asleep,

1362
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 10: do you shoot the deer? Do you wake your pal up?

1363
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 4: Oh?

1364
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: Man, that's a good chester. Shoot the deer Chester question,

1365
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: shoot the deer.

1366
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know that there's a specific answer.

1367
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that situational situation dependent.

1368
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 2: Unless your buddy is an arcleptic, you just shoot that

1369
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 2: deer a shot.

1370
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: Or it depends on how good of a buddy he

1371
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: is to you.

1372
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, depends on what kind of deer you're looking at.

1373
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: I think too, if it's the Kansas State record buddy,

1374
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: screw him.

1375
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 2: I think I'd wake up Yiannis to tell him, Hey,

1376
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 2: I'm about to shoot this deer, but I'm not. I'm

1377
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 2: not letting Annie talking me.

1378
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 1: Get him in your binos and tell me, tell me

1379
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: where I hit him. D're and on.

1380
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 3: Turkey hunts with my kid, you know, naps on turkey hunts.

1381
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the kids sleep all the time.

1382
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 3: I tell my son, if you're asleep when a gobbler

1383
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 3: comes in, I'm shooting it.

1384
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 2: Oh is that is that genuine?

1385
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 7: Oh?

1386
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Yeah, he's gonna wake up to a gun blast.

1387
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: Yep, learned the hard way.

1388
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 2: That'll teach him.

1389
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 6: Uh.

1390
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 10: Fruit of the maceilium is asking if they're there's a

1391
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 10: meat quality difference between a spring or a fall black bear.

1392
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 10: For context, he'll be in Orchie will be in the

1393
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 10: Oregon Cascades. Bears have no access to fish but lots

1394
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 10: of berries. Yeah, they're dating a spring versus fall hunt.

1395
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: Huge difference.

1396
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 3: I think fat flavor everything, man, all bears generally going

1397
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 3: to be better.

1398
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need anything to add, Nope, Rody's got it. Yeah,

1399
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 2: all about what that thing has been.

1400
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 3: Eating for the last I think maybe something at least

1401
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 3: like where you know, we're down in Colorado, with like

1402
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 3: that thick oak brush and stuff like that, they can

1403
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 3: be hard harder to find in the fall.

1404
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, well there, you can't hunt them in the springy

1405
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: but but this is Oregon Cascade. But yeah, I would,

1406
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: I would there. I just think in the spring, you're

1407
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: gonna end up with a skinny, skinny er. I mean,

1408
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: you killed a spring bear once that was loaded with fat.

1409
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: But on average that's not normal, not normal. So I

1410
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: would definitely go for a fall hunt if you could cool.

1411
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 10: I don't know how detailed do you guys want to get,

1412
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 10: But Jeff's asking for a show in tel segment of

1413
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 10: everyone's big game rifle setup. I don't think that really

1414
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 10: needs to be in a show Intel setup. But if

1415
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 10: you guys have some like basic kits, you you go

1416
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 10: out with Johanny.

1417
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 2: What have you been shooting this year?

1418
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 1: Nobody really talks about their hunting rigs. Last couple of

1419
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: years been hunting with the sig Cross. Both my girls

1420
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: shot their bucks with or and my daughter shot at

1421
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: Wisconsin dough too with the sig Cross. Which is why

1422
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: I like that gun because it is so modular that,

1423
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, I can make a few adjustments. I can

1424
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: shoot it and then make it compact.

1425
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 3: That folding stock man.

1426
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can pack it away real easy. And you

1427
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 1: know I have two of them. One of them's got

1428
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: the Whiskey six I believe on it. One of them

1429
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 1: has got the Tango scope on it, and they're both

1430
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: chambered and six five creed More And yeah, I'll even

1431
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: shoot those at an elk as long as it's not

1432
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: too far away. That's the hunting rig right now.

1433
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, this year I was shooting the Cross, Magnum saw

1434
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 2: tooth and a seven PRC. And this is like my

1435
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 2: first fall using a magnum caliber on most of my hunts,

1436
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 2: and it made me realize, with that muzzle break on there,

1437
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 2: I need to get a can.

1438
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: To that thing.

1439
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 2: Damn hits hard. Yeah, I shot hits my ears hard.

1440
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 3: I shot my moose with the saw Tooth magnum and

1441
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 3: three hundred win mag and three of us couldn't hear

1442
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:39,639
Speaker 3: for two days after that, oh man. But also running

1443
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 3: an mdt UH twenty six stock with a Tika six

1444
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 3: five PRC and that's a real nice deer hunting rig

1445
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 3: elk hunting rig.

1446
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1447
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 2: I think that the common denominator here is we're all

1448
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 2: shooting guns. Were very confident with which is you know

1449
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 2: what matters most you go out there. You know when

1450
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 2: you put the crossairs on something, you're gonna kill it dead.

1451
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1452
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 10: What else you got, Phil, Let's do one more because

1453
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 10: this one's light. Chris is asking for honeymoon destination ideas

1454
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 10: in the US, probably for outdoorsy folks. Do you guys

1455
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 10: have any tips? Where'd you guys go on your honeymoon?

1456
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 2: This guy already looks like.

1457
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: He's got two three. Man, it's a little late for

1458
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: the honeymoon.

1459
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 3: Maybe he's asking for someone else.

1460
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:25,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe.

1461
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 2: He got married during COVID and they just had to

1462
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 2: push Alaska, go to Alaska.

1463
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 3: Well, it depends on the time of year.

1464
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: Too, right, Max just went to Alaska for his honeymoon.

1465
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 2: Where'd you go on your honeymoon, Brody?

1466
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,719
Speaker 1: I went to Belize, I went to New Zealand.

1467
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I went to New York City.

1468
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: There you go.

1469
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 3: It was minus definitely a fishing vacation for sure.

1470
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's so many places. I mean the

1471
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: same place i'd go take my kids for spring breaking.

1472
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: You can go on honeymoon, I don't know, go to

1473
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 1: the desert and go back back and go to North

1474
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: Carolina and fish the out banks, go to Maine, go

1475
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 1: to some state you've never been there.

1476
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 2: I would just say, go on an adventure.

1477
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:12,560
Speaker 1: Don't go on some cruise. Yeah here, yeah, say that

1478
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 1: from when you're an old person. Uh yeah, go on

1479
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 1: an adventure with your gal.

1480
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 2: I love a good road trip, and I've really taken

1481
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 2: to the PNW the last few years now that we

1482
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 2: only live like a ten hour drive away, driving up

1483
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 2: and down the coast to Oregon, Washington, northern California. Nothing

1484
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 2: else like it as far as place as I've been,

1485
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 2: love it anything else, Phill, No, let's call it there,

1486
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 2: all right. That Uh, that's the end of the show.

1487
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 2: But after we say goodbye, Phil is going to play

1488
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 2: Chester's newest song, which is available on Spotify right now.

1489
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 2: I've already added to a bunch of my playlists. Chester

1490
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 2: didn't even ask for this plug, didn't even really tell

1491
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 2: us that it existed. I just solid on Spotify and

1492
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 2: listened to it, and I was like, damn it, Chester,

1493
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 2: that is that's delightful.

1494
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: It's a good song.

1495
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 2: It's a good hear it. And I told Chester I

1496
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 2: didn't ask. I said, we're gonna play this at the

1497
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 2: end of media to radio this.

1498
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 3: Phil, you need to cover one of chester songs.

1499
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: Oh, I wouldn't disrespect in that way.

1500
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 2: All right, So after we say goodbye and the rock

1501
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:13,520
Speaker 2: music plays, Phil is going to play for you Chester's

1502
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 2: newest tune.

1503
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody for tuning in.

1504
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 2: See you next week.

1505
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 8: Is this the wrong inside of Heaven?

1506
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 11: MS?

1507
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 4: It's just me?

1508
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is how s anxiety. She left me in

1509
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 8: the room. The dog, he said, let him go, please

1510
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 8: come back? No, no, no, babe. Well I'm not the

1511
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 8: man you always thought i'd be.

1512
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1513
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 8: Living on the edge of sanit Tea. I haven't had

1514
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,719
Speaker 8: a drink in about six weeks, refrained from the pint

1515
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 8: of dome I might. I left the car and to

1516
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 8: Guy's bike outside.

1517
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 12: So cheers beards brand new. You say it, toast, I

1518
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 12: love you the most.

1519
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 8: Shoot some pool with your foods. Tell a couple of

1520
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 8: lies with my guys.

1521
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 11: Well, I took that bik that I stole from Mike

1522
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 11: down to the tavern where I just Mike spent three

1523
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 11: weeks since she called.

1524
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 8: I figure it don't matter anyhow.

1525
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 13: You take the sober getting over you, so cheers to

1526
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 13: peers brand new.

1527
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 8: See it toast, I love you the most. Shoot some

1528
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:45,759
Speaker 8: pool with your fools. You tell a couple of lies

1529
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:46,679
Speaker 8: with my guys.

1530
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:14,799
Speaker 11: Now, I'm cruising down this hill on their eighteen inch wheels.

1531
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 8: Never got much slang, but the night winds got my back.

1532
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 11: Cruise along in this moonlight day, seventh year, trying to

1533
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 11: keep her straight, tears all driving, going so fast, baby,

1534
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:28,679
Speaker 11: HiT's a lessening in the past.

1535
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 8: Going down at the stars tonight. Yes, I'm going down

1536
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 8: with the stars to night.