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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory.

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Speaker 1: Jim Hayes alongside Kyle Gibson and Matt Holliday. Merry Christmas

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Speaker 1: to everyone. It is Christmas Week, and lo and behold,

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Speaker 1: I'm bloom busy once again. The big move, obviously, is

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Speaker 1: sending Wilson Contreras via trade to Boston, along with eight

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Speaker 1: million dollars and one million dollars for Wilson just to

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Speaker 1: accept the trade because he had a no trade clause.

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Speaker 1: In return, gentlemen, the Cardinals get three young right handed pitchers.

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Speaker 1: Start with Hunter Dobson. Hunter Dobbins, I should say, twenty

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Speaker 1: six year old eighth ron pick out of Texas Tech

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Speaker 1: four and one with the Red Sox last year four

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Speaker 1: point one three era made eleven starts, got the fastball

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Speaker 1: that ninety eight, got a splitter, sinker pitch, a slider, sweeper, curveballs.

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Speaker 1: And also nineteen year old yoker Farhardo from Venezuela. I

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Speaker 1: hope I said that right pitch very well in the

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Speaker 1: Rookie League and in Class A ball originally signed by

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Speaker 1: the White Sox traded to Boston. He's a guy that

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Speaker 1: is now the ninth best cardinal prospect because he pitched

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Speaker 1: so well last year in the lower levels and also

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Speaker 1: blake at a six round pick at a Kennesaw State.

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Speaker 1: He's twenty two now. Wilson was set to get eighteen

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Speaker 1: million dollars this season eighteen point five next season. So, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: I laid out some of the details for you, guys.

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Speaker 1: Just your thoughts. Kyle will start with you. I made

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Speaker 1: his move. We knew this was coming. He said that

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Speaker 1: Wilson had talked to them about waiving his no trade.

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Speaker 1: He did your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think I feel, like I've said this before,

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Speaker 2: no offensive position players. I prefer to be on the

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Speaker 2: side of the trade like this, where you're getting young

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Speaker 2: pitching in exchange for a position player. I don't I

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Speaker 2: would have loved to have not traded Wilson, but everything

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Speaker 2: I've seen, which I didn't get a chance to do

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Speaker 2: extensive research on Dobbins, but a couple of guys that

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Speaker 2: I did see mentioned that not only is he a

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Speaker 2: good person, he's a good pitcher.

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Speaker 3: He's got good stuff.

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Speaker 2: And those, in my mind, are the arms that we're

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Speaker 2: trying to get back if you're going to trade these guys.

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Speaker 2: He's got big league experience, So it's not just only

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Speaker 2: a lower level prospect that you hope hands out.

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Speaker 3: This is somebody who's pitched in the big leagues.

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Speaker 2: You've seen it against big league hitters, and I think

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Speaker 2: that's a big thing to get back. And like I said,

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Speaker 2: I think stockpiling young arms that have electric stuff is

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Speaker 2: always a good thing.

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Speaker 1: And Matt, this is kind of the plan that Bloom

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Speaker 1: laid out, is he was going to go after replenishing

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Speaker 1: their system with young talented arms again that are controllable.

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Speaker 1: The greatest currency in Major League Baseball is controllable talent.

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Speaker 1: So I guess for him it's mission accomplished.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess you just hope the Red Sox have

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Speaker 4: a good farm system. I mean, you basically just took

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Speaker 4: five or six of their players. So I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I guess when you think about it, how much does

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Speaker 4: him I guess, how how far back does he know

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Speaker 4: all of these pictures? How how influential I guess it would be.

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Speaker 4: My question is, was he in acquiring these pictures into

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Speaker 4: the Red Sox system, which gives him, you know, idea

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Speaker 4: of maybe a closer idea of or a more comfort

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Speaker 4: level of trading for the Red Sox pitchers, or maybe

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Speaker 4: that's just the way it's matched up, and these are

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Speaker 4: the best fits more Sonny and Wilson.

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Speaker 5: But to have two of your major guys go to your.

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Speaker 4: Former team for six of their prospects or five of

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Speaker 4: their prospects, whatever it is. Uh, yeah, I guess you know,

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Speaker 4: you hope that they're good. I mean, I think, like

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Speaker 4: Kyle said, at least two of them have a major

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Speaker 4: league experience, so you've seen you've seen two of them

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Speaker 4: against major league hitters, which makes you feel a little better.

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Speaker 4: But you hope that that one or two of these

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Speaker 4: other ones, uh, turn out to be really good major

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Speaker 4: we talked about, you know, headed into the off season,

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Speaker 4: when you start saying guys are willing to waive their

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Speaker 4: no trade clause and you have Sonny.

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Speaker 5: And Wilson saying, uh, you know, last year, no thank you,

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Speaker 4: I think this is this is what we were going

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Speaker 4: to see where Nolan winds up and I think it's

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Speaker 4: it's it's worth considering that if Regman doesn't sign back

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Speaker 5: But but like.

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Speaker 4: Kyle said, if it's always easier to trade pictures, So

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Speaker 4: if if if four or five of these guys pop,

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Speaker 4: you could use them as as uh, you know, as

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Speaker 4: trade tools down the line to to acquire bats if

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Speaker 4: you need to. But you know, it's uh, it's it's

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Speaker 4: gonna be interesting that the Cardinals are are clearly you know,

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Speaker 4: making moves that looks like it'll be a year or

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Speaker 1: So Heima is kind of far enough from moved. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's got a hands on experience with some

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Speaker 1: of these young pictures. But Kyle, it is kind of

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Speaker 1: odd that the deal is with the Red Sox. What

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Speaker 1: do you make of that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean I think I think he probably does have

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Speaker 2: some familiarity. I think I don't know how these trade

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Speaker 2: talks happen, right, I mean, I've never been ever been

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Speaker 3: On the phone.

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Speaker 2: But I do kind of wonder if the past relationships

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Speaker 2: with the people in that front office help get those

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Speaker 2: conversations going. I kind of wonder if it helps where

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Speaker 2: he can say, there really isn't a chess game here, right,

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Speaker 2: this is Hey, I know you guys have these players.

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Speaker 2: I know how good they are. You know how good

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Speaker 2: they are. You don't have to sell me. You're not

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Speaker 2: gonna trick me. This is what we're looking for. And

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Speaker 2: then when we'll just say, they gave him eight names,

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Speaker 2: and he said, well, those are eight names that are

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Speaker 3: We'll take these five.

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Speaker 2: You know, I just feel like that probably makes that

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Speaker 3: And you know what that previous relationship did.

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Speaker 1: So for a young guy like the nineteen year old

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Speaker 1: when a stock he was, you know, lower level of prospect,

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Speaker 1: and he would have been in the Red Sox top ten.

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Speaker 1: Now he's in the Cardinals top ten because his stuff

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Speaker 1: looked really good. But mat if you're a Cardinals fan,

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Speaker 1: this is I think that the balancing act that the

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Speaker 1: they want fans to be excited about a team. These

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Speaker 1: think most people would agree that they had to make

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Speaker 1: some of these moves. Now that they're starting to make them,

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Speaker 1: some fans are like, you're trading away our best players. Look,

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Speaker 1: they already said it's a reset. They got to build

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Speaker 1: for the future. So how difficult is that to balance?

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Speaker 1: Would you say, well, it's one of those.

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Speaker 4: Things you gotta rip the band aid off, right, I

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Speaker 4: mean it's so it was already coming off. It was

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Speaker 4: falling off. I mean, the attendance was way down. People

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Speaker 4: weren't showing up to watch Wilson and and Sonny last year.

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Speaker 4: So it's like, I think you at least can sell

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Speaker 4: the idea that that you're trending towards this rebuild and

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Speaker 4: you know, get excited about you know, you did add

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Speaker 4: So you did add to to what I don't know

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Speaker 4: Kyle's probably knows their stuff and has watched them closer

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Speaker 4: than I have. But you have two potential rotation guys

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Speaker 4: that you added immediately, and then I think you sell

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Speaker 5: Opportunities, and I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I think I don't think the team is is taking

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Speaker 4: a huge step back from last year as far as

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Speaker 4: you know, potentially winning games, because I think young players

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Speaker 4: get better, So it certainly is U is going to

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Speaker 4: be I don't think the fans.

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Speaker 5: Are going to come back in droves this year.

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Speaker 4: But I do think if if some of these young

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Speaker 4: and then say, next offseason you go the other way

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Speaker 4: big free agents and and and now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 4: you know, I think the fans might, uh, you might

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Speaker 1: And one of the things this trade does, Kyle is

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Speaker 1: it gives a set spot for Alec Burlison, a guy

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Speaker 1: who had eighteen homers last year, showed that the showed

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Speaker 1: that he's a big leaguer with a huge upside. He's

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Speaker 1: still young. So that's part of the puzzle, isn't It

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Speaker 1: is creating a way for your guys, you see as

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Speaker 1: part of the future, because they're young and talented, Uh,

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Speaker 1: to give them a spot and give them sort of,

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Speaker 2: I mean, not to just disagree with you, Jim, which

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Speaker 2: I do like to do from time to time. I

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Speaker 2: don't think that played into this move. I don't think.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they were saying, hey, let's make sure

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Speaker 2: though I think that's a great idea. I back to

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Speaker 2: kind of what Matt said about the fans and.

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Speaker 3: The plan, right. I look at this a couple different ways.

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Speaker 2: One, I don't necessarily think the front office is beholden

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Speaker 3: I think the owners.

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Speaker 2: Have in sports have a certain uh you know, responsibility

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Speaker 2: front office is not here saying, hey, you guys, tell

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Speaker 3: Because if that's the case.

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Speaker 2: I listened to a lot of sports radio, especially when

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Speaker 2: right and I heard, Oh, we need to go young.

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Speaker 2: We need to go young. We need to at least

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Speaker 2: know the plan. If we know the plan from the

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Speaker 2: front office, fans will show back up. We just want

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Speaker 2: to know there's a direction that the team's going. Well, okay,

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Speaker 2: if that's the case, then now everybody knows the direction.

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Speaker 2: So the seats should be filled and it should be

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Speaker 2: good to go there. They're gonna get rid of some

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Speaker 2: players and they're gonna go young, and now everybody should

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Speaker 2: be back. I think all three of us can admit

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Speaker 2: that that's not going to be the case. All right,

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Speaker 2: that's not There might be a large opening day crowd,

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Speaker 2: but two weeks into the season, if the team is

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Speaker 2: hitting two homers a game and throwing shutouts, nobody's gonna

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Speaker 2: that's not gonna be the same crowds yet, right, Winning

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Speaker 2: hears everything, and I think that is what Heim and

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Speaker 1: And millions of dollars come up the books. There's no

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Speaker 1: talk about Wilson, a guy who who brings energy, no

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Speaker 5: I I think it's a it's a good fit for

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Speaker 1: I think that's really the perfect spot for him. But

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Speaker 2: Very beneficial, Very beneficial. I know, hold on, sorry, I

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Speaker 3: For the group of players to benefit.

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Speaker 4: Think from a couple of different angles here. One, I

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Speaker 5: Way you can do things.

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Speaker 4: When you're one you have some money, and two you're

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. I think that makes sense too. Last thing before

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's a great question.

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Speaker 2: You will I don't know, yeah, I mean the fact

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing that may give you mine. Plenty

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Speaker 2: The question remains, all right, I think I think that

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Speaker 2: I kind of wonder if maybe he has the relationships

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Speaker 3: So I think this is hold on, baby, what's up?

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Speaker 2: I think I think that maybe this is something where

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Speaker 1: You're a good You're a good day. Uh, Matt, you're

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: The pitching is going to be I think, substantially better.

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Speaker 4: I think we're seeing that more and more with guys

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Speaker 4: I think the gap is bigger than it's ever been,

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Speaker 5: Gonna be an adjustment.

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Speaker 4: I think it would be fun to watch to see

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Speaker 4: But i'm i'm i'm, I'm in I remember watching him

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: Obviously show he could play anywhere.

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Speaker 4: He's the greatest player of all time, but in general,

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Speaker 4: I thought this guy looked a little bit more like

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Speaker 5: But I yes, there's going to be an adjustment.

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Speaker 4: He's going to have to adjust to the pitching at

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Speaker 4: the big league level. That park is a good park

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Speaker 1: I love his swing.

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Speaker 3: I think he's so much better. Jim, Well, that's so

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Speaker 3: much better.

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Speaker 1: I think you were both. And I think he's gonna

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Speaker 1: have thirty homers because I love his swing too. But

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to compare him to Otani because I

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Speaker 1: don't think you compare anyone to Otani. That's why I

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Speaker 1: brought up Matt Suey. No, am I wrong? Am I wrong?

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't compare anyone to Tony the greatest player, well,

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Speaker 4: the greatest baseball player in the history of the world.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't compare him to him.

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Speaker 3: I mean the list pitching is. Pitching is a little

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Speaker 3: bit easier to predict coming over.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you either have velocity, you have stuff,

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Speaker 2: and now you're adjusting how to get hitters out over

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Speaker 3: Hitting is a lot different.

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Speaker 2: So Showy always had that advantage where it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: if he struggles in spring training hitting, guess what, he's

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Speaker 2: gonna be a really good picture, you know. So that's

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Speaker 2: that's definitely a big advantage for pictures coming up.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's gonna do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory.

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Speaker 4: I mean to to start to start your show in

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Speaker 5: It's not even during the season.

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Speaker 4: So I think when we get where there's a little

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