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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds and sixties clinics have stopped performing abortion

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Speaker 1: since the job's ruling. What an excellent show we have today. First,

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Speaker 1: gonna talk to us all about her blockbuster new book,

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Speaker 1: Confidence Man, the making of Donald Trump, and she's gonna

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Speaker 1: tell Molly something she's told no one else. Then we're

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Speaker 1: joined by John Anzeloni of the Impact Research, who's also

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Speaker 1: known as Biden's poster, and he's gonna tell some unconventional

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Speaker 1: wisdom about what to look out for in the mid

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Speaker 1: Times The Run Up podcast host stead hearn Dog, who's

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Speaker 1: gonna also talk to us about the mid terms. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Fast Politics. Area podcaster instead, No, I'm just kidding,

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Speaker 1: New York Times podcaster, Hey an area nottheless? So I

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Speaker 1: an area into street? Is it still in forty seconds? Yes? Right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it would not be Times Square without that. Without me

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Speaker 1: because it's super interesting, and then we will go from

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Speaker 1: there to talk about the subject of your podcast. Your

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Speaker 1: podcast is called The run Up and explained to us

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Speaker 1: the idea behind it. Yeah, the ideas that we're always

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Speaker 1: And so our goal was to take these elections as

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Speaker 1: a vehicle to really try to explore some like deeper

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Speaker 1: political questions about stuff like our commitment to democracy, or

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Speaker 1: how Christian nationalism has creeped up in politics, or about

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Speaker 1: why everyone was so prized if I'm the election. So

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Speaker 1: just the basic ideas using elections to talk out the

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Speaker 1: and who's that. So, let's talk about where we are

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Speaker 1: because I don't think we're in a good place. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's my professional podcasting opinion. You know, I I I

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Speaker 1: don't think Viny would disagree with you, But honestly, there's

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Speaker 1: the chaos elections that there is not an overriding trend

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Speaker 1: Republicans have have sought to make the message about crime,

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Speaker 1: think it is? Well, I think we've been in several

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Speaker 1: done that. Yeah, so voting for herschel Walker is not

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Speaker 1: Romney and yet they hate the media because of Romney coverage.

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Speaker 1: But there's been so much antipathy that I think that

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Speaker 1: it was changing already talked to me about the Trump

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Speaker 1: Ivanka Jared stuff, because that's super interesting, which part that

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Speaker 1: they had he might have fired them. I mean, do

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Speaker 1: you think that is you know, can we talk about that? So,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was a little surprised that this was

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Speaker 1: the thing he seized on. I guess I'm not really

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Speaker 1: when I think about it, just to criticize just because

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Speaker 1: it involves his daughter and it's an easy thing for

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Speaker 1: him to say is not true. And though I stand

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Speaker 1: by the reporting, I had multiple sources on it, but

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Speaker 1: we reported in real time that he had been talking

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Speaker 1: about having Jared Navaca leave. There was a There were

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Speaker 1: several instances where he was preparing to dismiss Kushner and

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Speaker 1: it would have required she would have gone with him.

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Speaker 1: He would say to her, why do you want to

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Speaker 1: be here? You know it was it was sympathetically voiced,

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Speaker 1: but Kushner was getting a lot of bad headlines during

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Speaker 1: the Muller investigation. Trump would ask John Kelly and Don McGann,

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Speaker 1: the White House counsel, to help export them and they

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Speaker 1: would decline because they would basically say, you know, you're

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Speaker 1: not going to back us if we do this, and

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Speaker 1: when they come to you and we just don't want

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Speaker 1: to be in that position. And in one instance, there

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Speaker 1: was a tweet that Trump was preparing to send saying

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Speaker 1: they were leaving, and Kelly stopped him saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: as many people would you, you don't handle things this

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Speaker 1: way with your family. And then Trump, who was just

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Speaker 1: incredibly conflict of verse, did not appear to have the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Trump considered bumbing Mexico. This is a story that is

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Speaker 1: about Trump's views of aggression and also Trump's impression ability

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Speaker 1: based on how who he thinks someone is. One of

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Speaker 1: the things that was pretty striking through line in my

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Speaker 1: reporting Molly was that just how much he really didn't

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Speaker 1: understand who did what in the government. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is why I know there's this theory that he's really learned,

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Speaker 1: but he really hasn't. Now, you know, by twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: he still had no idea who ran the Office of

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Speaker 1: Legislative Affairs for him. And you know, he tried giving

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Speaker 1: the charge to one aid, thinking he was taking it

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Speaker 1: from a different day, but the different day wasn't actually

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Speaker 1: the person who ran it, and it was anyway, So

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Speaker 1: he's in a meeting related to fentanyl crossing the southern border,

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Speaker 1: and it's a it's a drug meeting. And in this

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Speaker 1: meeting is Brett Jerwar, who was an admiral in the

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Speaker 1: Public Health Services Corps. I probably mangling the actual title,

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Speaker 1: but he would wear his dress uniform. It's a commissioned corps.

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Speaker 1: It's not a part of the armed forces, which is

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Speaker 1: really important. But so Jerwar is in this meeting and

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Speaker 1: he suggests, according to people familiar with what happened, he

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Speaker 1: suggests putting quote unquote lead to target, which is a

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Speaker 1: term for bombing. And Trump gets infatuated with this idea

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Speaker 1: and starts asking Mark Esper, the Secretary of Defense, about

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Speaker 1: bombing Mexico. And he talks about patriot missiles. And you know,

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't use patriot missiles. And so it's a it's

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Speaker 1: a story of I mean, but this is it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it ends up sounding funny, but it's really scary. Is

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Speaker 1: this is how this is how you can end up

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Speaker 1: with war? Correct, You can accidentally find yourself in a

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Speaker 1: pretty dangerous conflict. Trump worried abouts Laye. Maxwell said about him,

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Speaker 1: he was just gonna go. He was in a meeting

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Speaker 1: with campaign AIDS, and she had pretty recently been picked

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Speaker 1: up by the FBI. And the New York Post ran

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Speaker 1: a story saying that she was going to unquote name names.

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Speaker 1: And he starts talking about the story and he says,

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Speaker 1: did you see that in the Post the other day?

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Speaker 1: And he says, did she say anything about me? What

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Speaker 1: James took his meeting Elaine and not or author of

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Speaker 1: the story. It was also old woman. He knew Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 1: he knew her. You know, there's a there's an anecdote

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Speaker 1: in the book that's based on reporting from Mark Singer,

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Speaker 1: who was writing a really remarkable piece for The New

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Speaker 1: Yorker that in the nineties that I would urge everyone

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Speaker 1: to read. But Gilliane, I believe, was on on the

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Speaker 1: plane for this anecdote that he writes about in the story,

508
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Speaker 1: on her way down to Florida with him. These are

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Speaker 1: people who he knew socially. There's you know, there's pictures

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Speaker 1: of them, but he just in these meetings he will

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Speaker 1: reveal what's on his mind. Yeah, it seems like Trump

512
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Speaker 1: used Rudy as his man, right, like his sort of

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Speaker 1: Roger Stone, you know, his sort of fix are. And

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Speaker 1: now I feel like Rudy Roger Stone. And also Michael

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Speaker 1: Cohen originally sort of all had that same role. You

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Speaker 1: tell me if I'm wrong, You're not wrong. I mean

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Speaker 1: an old friend of Trump's once said to me that

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Speaker 1: Trump likes lawyers who will do anything right. He sees

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Speaker 1: no difference between you know, the attorney general works for

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Speaker 1: the government and you know Rudy, who was a personal lawyer,

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Speaker 1: and he likes having fixers. You know, there's a I

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Speaker 1: write about how Andrew Stein, the former New York City

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Speaker 1: Council president who has known Trump forever, at one point

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Speaker 1: was complaining to Trump about why do you keep Michael

525
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Speaker 1: Cohen around? Because a lot of people in Trump's orbit

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Speaker 1: clashed with Michael Cohen back in the day. And Trump,

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Speaker 1: you know, said something with the effect of he has

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Speaker 1: his purpose or he has a purpose, and that's how

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Speaker 1: Trump sees all of these people, and it's really how

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Speaker 1: he saw Rudy. But it's just so weird because they

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Speaker 1: really weren't friends. Giuliani and Trump decades earlier. There was

532
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Speaker 1: it was a transaction, and Giuliani helped Trump. And I

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Speaker 1: don't get into this in the book, but Giuliani helped

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Speaker 1: Trump with um in way, or least people suspected he

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Speaker 1: helped him with a building that he was trying to

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Speaker 1: build near the U N. And they engaged with each other.

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Speaker 1: But but Giuliani didn't treat Trump or think of Trump

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Speaker 1: particularly seriously. What has emerged since it's they've known each

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Speaker 1: other a long time and they come from the same place.

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Speaker 1: And I would argue that in terms of racial paranoia,

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Speaker 1: Giuliani was was kind of a proto Trump. It's a

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Speaker 1: very different thing there. They were not the same person

543
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Speaker 1: and they were not pals. So interesting, What did you

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Speaker 1: learn writing this book, because you knew a lot already?

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Speaker 1: I learned a lot. Actually, I mean I I you know,

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Speaker 1: I learned a lot of new I wanted to I

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Speaker 1: just I just want to make one thing clear. I

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Speaker 1: think he's really important. This book is intended as a

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Speaker 1: character study, and it's I wanted to paint a larger,

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Speaker 1: fuller portrait of him and of the world and they

551
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Speaker 1: he came, you know, And that definitionally meant that I

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Speaker 1: learned some new things along the way. But the goal

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Speaker 1: was was a story, as opposed to just sort of

554
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Speaker 1: individual anecdotes and and so forth. Those moved the story along.

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Speaker 1: I learned new things about the depths of the kinds

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Speaker 1: of racist statements he would make over time, and I

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Speaker 1: was pretty surprised. I had additional affirmation as to how

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Speaker 1: calculating he is. You know, even though he's not strategic,

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Speaker 1: he is in the moment calculating. I would say, those

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Speaker 1: are the main things. And then there were new things

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Speaker 1: that I learned about the presidency, like him flushing documents

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Speaker 1: down the toilet, which I did not know while he

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Speaker 1: was president. And you did actually release that made a

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Speaker 1: real point to release that before the book came out.

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Speaker 1: I released it eight months before the book came out,

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Speaker 1: That's correct, And I think that was a real case

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Speaker 1: of like you wanting to get the information out there

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Speaker 1: because you thought there was a legal president. I thought

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Speaker 1: it was really important. Yeah, and I think that's really

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Speaker 1: important and also quite disgusting that he's how is the

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Speaker 1: plumbing handling that it wasn't handling it? Well, that was

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Speaker 1: part of why I thought out about this. Thank you, Maggie.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll come back. I definitely will. Thank you. Molly.

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Speaker 1: John an Selonis, a poster at Impact Research. Welcome Too

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Speaker 1: Fast Politics, John, Molly very excited to have you so

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Speaker 1: close to the mid terms. Am I allowed to call

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Speaker 1: you Biden's pollster. You can call me anything you want

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Speaker 1: that would be fair, okay, Or you can call me

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Speaker 1: Gretchen Whitner's pollster, Steve Cisslack, or I mean, I can

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Speaker 1: keep going Sheldon white House, you know a RP. A

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Speaker 1: lot of those people have been on my previous podcasts.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, so I'm curious to talk to you. We're

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Speaker 1: in this like thirty is it like thirty two days now,

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Speaker 1: it's something like that. Give track of them then it'll

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Speaker 1: just you know, make you crazy. Yeah, So what are

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Speaker 1: you seeing trend wise? I mean, I've had this idea

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Speaker 1: because I've read something that got me like obsessed with

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Speaker 1: this idea. And now everyone I've interviewed, I've asked about

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Speaker 1: it and they all think I'm wrong. But I have

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Speaker 1: this idea that this is like a chaos elections where

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Speaker 1: things are moving in a very weird way. So I

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Speaker 1: would actually say that chaos isn't the word I would use.

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Speaker 1: Here's how I see this selection cycle is that d

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Speaker 1: C and talking heads love predictability, and you know, elections

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Speaker 1: in midterms are very predictable, Like if you are Republican

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Speaker 1: president and in the midterms, you know the Democrats too great.

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Speaker 1: And if you're a Democratic president and you know you're

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Speaker 1: in the mid terms, Republicans do great. And there's actually

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Speaker 1: a pretty good data in modern history that is like,

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Speaker 1: if the president, regardless of Democratic Republican, you know, his

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Speaker 1: job rating is under fifty, which is Biden's is although

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Speaker 1: we've his job rating has gotten better over the last

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Speaker 1: couple of months, that on average you lose thirty seven

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Speaker 1: to forty seats in the House and I can't remember

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Speaker 1: the number in the center of making it's five. And

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Speaker 1: so everyone loves that predictability. And that's kind of how

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Speaker 1: this election cycle began, that Democrats, we're going to get

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Speaker 1: their ass kicked, and we are really believed it all

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Speaker 1: the way up until about May four. I either had

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Speaker 1: you or someone who worked with on around April or May,

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Speaker 1: and it was like we just despaired the whole time.

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Speaker 1: It was just a death watch, is what it was.

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Speaker 1: And the fact is is that you know, there's all

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Speaker 1: of these different tensions in this election, and why I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't call it chaos is because it's actually been a

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Speaker 1: straight line. I would call it the toss up election,

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Speaker 1: like re Battlegrounds Day for basically Senate and Governor are

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Speaker 1: toss ups. But I think that for us to put

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Speaker 1: we really got, you gotta put it in context. Because

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Speaker 1: the generic ballot, when you have seventy percent of Americans

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Speaker 1: thinking the country is going in the wrong direction and

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Speaker 1: having given it a negative job rating for the economy

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Speaker 1: and over fifty percent believing there's there's a recession, etcetera, etcetera,

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Speaker 1: people ballot advantage for Republicans should be plus eight plus ten,

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Speaker 1: and it's dead even. And so these tensions that there's

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Speaker 1: all these confluences, and it's like it's like three rivers

627
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Speaker 1: Stadium in Pittsburgh. You know where the three rivers merge.

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Speaker 1: What are the Ohio, the Monoga, Hala? And I can't

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Speaker 1: remember the third one, damnit. But my point is is

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Speaker 1: that you have all these confluences of things that normally

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Speaker 1: do not happen to give you a competitive environment. And

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Speaker 1: so on the Democratic side, you know why I use

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Speaker 1: May one and May fourth. It's like on May one

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Speaker 1: there was despair, and on May four was the leak

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Speaker 1: of the Scotus opinion overturn Roe v. Wade. Then you

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Speaker 1: had Buffalo, and then you had Vivaldi. Then you had

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Speaker 1: I think June nine, you had the January six hearing,

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Speaker 1: start America learned a lot of new things about what

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Speaker 1: was going on, and all these Republicans are like, you know,

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Speaker 1: defending the the insurrectionist and then June boom, reality comes

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Speaker 1: not hypothetical overturning. And so you have all of that

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Speaker 1: as well as President Biden actually getting his agenda pass

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Speaker 1: with you know, the Bipartisan Gun Bill, the chips at

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00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: which brings you know, the supply chain back from overseas

645
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Speaker 1: in China, and the Inflation Reduction Act which does all

646
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: these wonderful things. And so by August it's the Republicans

647
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: who are on the defense of the Democrats, have a message, etcetera, etcetera.

648
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: But when Labor Day bell rings, I've been doing this

649
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: a long time and the one thing that always happens

650
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: on Labor Day is people put their jerseys on right,

651
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: and Republicans kind of always consolidate their vote. And maybe

652
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: more importantly, a billion dollars was spent in September on

653
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: Senate races, So Republicans were alive again, like they you know,

654
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,479
Speaker 1: they were beating up Mandela or they're beating up Tim Ryan,

655
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: or they were competing back and forth in their narrative,

656
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: and so Republicans come home, they start spending money. The

657
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: race is real and a dialogue, and there's really tough

658
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: headwinds for Democrats. So you have one confluences the headwinds.

659
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: One confluences are these outside things that happen row guns,

660
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: you know, democratic accomplishments. And what's the third confluence. It's

661
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: the craziest on the Republican party. They just did a

662
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: terrible job nominating. So you have odds at unfavorable, you

663
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: have jd Vance, you have Masters, you have Ted Bud.

664
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Speaker 1: When you have rivers that meet, it's all muddy, right,

665
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: So this is kind of the muddy toss up election.

666
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: And it's really at this point when you have the

667
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: herschel Walkers of the world against a great candidate like Warnock,

668
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: you really have headwinds versus head cases. That's literally what's

669
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: going on here, the headwinds of the Democrats and the

670
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: subpar candidates of Republicans, and there's all these people out

671
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: there who have to make a decision. You know, right

672
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: now I would say that you know, of all, you know,

673
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: whites in Georgia are still voting for herschel will that

674
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: change over the most recent one? Well, guess what judge

675
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: Roy Moore got, you know, sixty eight percent of whites

676
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: against Doug Doug Jones. He won, right, he got just

677
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: enough of them. But that gives you the context of

678
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: when people put on their jersey, they also put on blinders,

679
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: and so there's just gonna be this grudge match, right

680
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: and on election day. I think everyone right now kind

681
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: of understands that we're in a toss up environment where

682
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: there's difficult headwinds. We have great candidates, good money, and

683
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: a really good message on the positive and negative side,

684
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: and we're all waiting to see what happens. Warnock is

685
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: up against Walker. Walker has had all of these October surprises.

686
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: He is continually doing these ads in Georgia where he

687
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: talks to the camera and says Warnock is cutting funding

688
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: for the police. It's not true, but he's doing it

689
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: and it works. And then all the ads are crime, crime, crime, crime, crime.

690
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: Why Warnock has a ton of money. Why is Warnock

691
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: just not getting in there and debunking or is it

692
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: too soon for that? No, No, I think he is. Listen,

693
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: crime is a big issue right now. You see it

694
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Speaker 1: against Mendela Barnes in Wisconsin. You see it against Fetterman,

695
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: who was chairman of the parol board. Right, these are

696
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: like easy things. You know, you're you see it right

697
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: now in race. No one's watching, but the Republicans are

698
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: hitting the form or Supreme Court Justice Sherry Beasley basically

699
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: overturning a pedophilia case. So you're you know, again, it's

700
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: not just pure crime. It's often there's often an angle

701
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: to it that intersected with that Democrats life, right, I

702
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: mean Federman was ahead of a parole board. You know,

703
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: Sherry Beasley was a Chief Justice, so she had to

704
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: rule on cases, etcetera, etcetera. I think that there's not

705
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: a Democrat out there who doesn't do well defending themselves

706
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: on crime. Allah what Joe Biden did, I mean, we

707
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: took no ship from Trump. We'll try to say we're

708
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: defending We're just like not the truth. We're against a fund.

709
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: Matter of fact. You know, we have uh money, more

710
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: money in there for place, YadA, YadA YadA, and you

711
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: you pivot and you move. And I think all of

712
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 1: these candidates do a good job doing that. I don't

713
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Speaker 1: think that there's any time when we don't fight. And

714
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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I can bring one thing up

715
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Speaker 1: which really just made me aggravates me. Actually anything, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's hear it. Well, I mean fellow Democrat Gavin Newson

717
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: when he says that we don't fight that Democrats plus

718
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: the fight, Well, you've got it, you know. I'm sorry,

719
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: but that is that doesn't pass the smell test. And

720
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: we go out there and say helpful things because there's

721
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: got a race I'm doing right now or watching where

722
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Speaker 1: there's a senate candidate, Democratic, or governors or congression that

723
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: are not fighting like hell. Democrats are out there fighting

724
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: like hell right now. By the way, so is our president,

725
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: like he is out there killing it. And Democrats are

726
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: fighting right now And for anyone to say that we

727
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: are not fighting is absolutely ridiculous. And by the way,

728
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: the reason that we are dead even in the generic

729
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: ballot and every race is a toss up, is because

730
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: we're out there fighting and we should be getting our

731
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: asses kicked by plus eight or plus ten in the

732
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: generic ballot. So everyone needs to just kind of keep

733
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: the expectations in in check and put this cycle in

734
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: context that the predictable thing was for them to win

735
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: thirty seven or forty seats in the House and five

736
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Speaker 1: seats in the Senate, and we are keeping this a

737
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Speaker 1: competitive competitive election cycle. Quite frankly, you know, good for Democrats, right.

738
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Speaker 1: I mean, in my mind, the situation with the situation

739
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: when Newsom is that Newsom is trying to run for

740
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Speaker 1: president and and I say that neither are negatively or positively,

741
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: but he's just coming. I mean, he's running ads in Florida. Like,

742
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Speaker 1: you don't do that before a mid term unlus you

743
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: have some grand plans and designs. Right. That means it's negatively,

744
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: I don't get it, stuck on it. I just think

745
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: that someone has to stand up and say, no, you

746
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: know you're wrong, quit playing politics with your presidential campaign.

747
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: And Democrats are fighting like hell, and the and the

748
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: fact is is that the reason that we have all

749
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: of these toss ups is because we're fighting like hell. Yeah. No,

750
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Speaker 1: I agree, And I appreciate that we get card in

751
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 1: your feedback loop of self loathing after camp after campaigns,

752
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: and I don't want to project what's going to happen,

753
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: but the fact is is that you know, if we

754
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: hold Republicans to twenty seats in the House and I'm

755
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: not saying that that's what it's going to be. I'm

756
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: just give an example. We have cut in half with

757
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: the historical trend is yeah, no, and and listen. I

758
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: think there's a really good point here. But I'm curious.

759
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Speaker 1: One of the things that Biden has done, which I

760
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: actually think is kind of great and unusual, is that

761
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: he's allowed candidates who are running and read districts to

762
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: run against him. You know, I think he's been generous

763
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: in a way. I mean, we had Max Rose on

764
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Speaker 1: this podcast. He is running in a very red district

765
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Speaker 1: in Staten Island. You know he would I mean, I

766
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: do think that that there's sort of more of a

767
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: he's not a vengeful guy. You can criticize him in

768
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: a way that a lot of other presidents you haven't

769
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: been able to. But I think that there is a

770
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: bigger point in the election cycle when we look at

771
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Speaker 1: it historically. After the election, which is one of the

772
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Speaker 1: reasons Democrats are competitive is because our president United States,

773
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Speaker 1: who is the leader of the Democratic Party and I

774
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: think does a good job of it, actually passed an

775
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: amazing agenda ino. I mean, these things were important. I mean,

776
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: if he didn't get you know, chips passed an i

777
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: RA pass and and things like that, quite frankly, and

778
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: may one, we didn't have those, and it was tough

779
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: to have a positive message we got. You know, he

780
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: got his agenda passed, and no one thought he could

781
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: do it, and everyone has given up on him. And

782
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: I think the bigger point of Visa VI President Biden

783
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: quite frankly, turns out to be his leadership and his

784
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: vision on his agenda, which gave all these congressional democrats

785
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: or candidates really important bullets in their two ds. You're

786
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: not getting any arguments from me here, and we've talked

787
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: a lot about that, and you are in a world

788
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: here where he's done a lot. But the question is

789
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: more like, I'm curious, and this is from my own

790
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: edification as much as anything. There's such a baked in

791
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: idea that Republicans are good on crime, but there's never

792
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: any like actual questions about policy. For example, so herschel Walker,

793
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Speaker 1: Ted Cruz, everyone is defending herschel Walker, including I'm not

794
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: sure that this is such a great look at nude

795
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: Gangridge and Ted crew said, well, judge herschel Walker on

796
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 1: his policy. Well, again, I think that they I think

797
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: Herschel Walker's message right now is judge me on my

798
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: redemption and judge me on grace. And I think that

799
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: that is a signal to evangelicals to give him a pass.

800
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: The problem was when he wrote his book on redemption.

801
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: He wrote the book a year before he paid for

802
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: the abortion. Yeah, listen, I'm not a big judger of

803
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: people who have you know, like, right, we're all frail

804
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: humans and etcetera, and speak for yourself. But yes, you know,

805
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: I believe in redemption. But he now is kind of

806
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: like beyond you know, trusting. If you will, right, I'll

807
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: kind of like be on the side of you know,

808
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: his son Christian before I go on on Herschel's side.

809
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: But anyway, it's again, we haven't seen kind of new polls,

810
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: and we're gonna see them. And my guess is it's

811
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: probably gonna be a dead even race, or maybe warnut

812
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: will have an advantage. But this has been again, my

813
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 1: point is, this has been a straight line election. Movement

814
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: is glacial. Here Republicans consolidated their vote after spending a billion,

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Speaker 1: you know, half a billion dollars, they probably spend half

816
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: of it. Right, This is not unusual and everyone in

817
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: d C kind of like, oh my god, you know

818
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: what's happening. Well, what's happened in is what's happened every

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Speaker 1: post Labor day in my fifteen cycles as a Polster,

820
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: which is there's some consolidation because people start spending, our

821
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: candidate starts spending a lot of money. So there's no

822
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: freaking out here. This is what normally happens. Um. I

823
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: think that people will start saying, this is just like

824
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Speaker 1: two fourteen, where August was a good month for Democrats.

825
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: You know, September there was you know, consolidation and looked,

826
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Speaker 1: you know, uh, look better for Republicans, and then the

827
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: bottom fell out for Democrats. I don't think we're in

828
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: a bottom falling out election cycle because everyone's put their

829
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: jersey on and Doug in their feet, their their faith.

830
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: We're in overtime. This is definitely an overtime game already.

831
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Speaker 1: And I always say that, you know my analogy which

832
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Speaker 1: no one probably will like. I'm an Alabama fan, and

833
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: you know last year's Iron Bowl where they play Auburn,

834
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 1: Alabama was ranked third, Auburn was unranked. Well, in this case,

835
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: you know, the Democrats were Auburn. They came in there

836
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: and they almost wanted and they took Alabama, the number

837
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: three ranked team, to four overtimes. Democrats are literally taking

838
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: Republicans into overtime, like they are supposed to literally walk

839
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: into this election and wipe us out, and we are

840
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: keeping them close. I love you, but I can't understand

841
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. I don't understand sports at all.

842
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: But I just want to have one last question. There

843
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: are a lot of people who are listening to podcast,

844
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: like my husband Mac Greenfield, who want to give money,

845
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: want to support our big Democrats. What races should they

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Speaker 1: go for? Oh? I mean, you know, jeez, I can't

847
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: play favorites, but I mean put it this way. I

848
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: think the race that um will get more attention on

849
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: October as these other races kind of you know, move

850
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: around is North Carolina. I love the I love the

851
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: sharing have money to Shary Beasley. I don't work for her,

852
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: but my point is is that race has been dead

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Speaker 1: even the entire year, is basically going to be you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, it hasn't been like a four month race

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Speaker 1: where there's just been this big back and forth. And

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Speaker 1: I think she's a great candidate. Former Supreme Court justice,

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Speaker 1: so she has real hefton waight to her, she's really good.

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Speaker 1: She's a good candidate, and her TV commercials are good.

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Speaker 1: And Ted budd is a guy who called the insurrectionists

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Speaker 1: on January six, you know, patriots right, and he sponsored

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Speaker 1: bills to do a national ban on abortion. So watch

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Speaker 1: that race. That is my kind of Georgia race where

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Speaker 1: Biden one and no one thought it could happen. So

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Speaker 1: I think that that is, without a doubt the race.

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Speaker 1: And the fact is is that I think most people

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Speaker 1: believe that George is going to a runoff, and so

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Speaker 1: Warnock is gonna need your money and enough to beat

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Speaker 1: Herschel and I think he can do it, and it

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Speaker 1: may be deja vu all over again and be the

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Speaker 1: race that desides the Senate. I hadn't even thought to

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Speaker 1: be anxious about that, Thank you, John. Last question, trust

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Speaker 1: the polls, yes? Or now watch where the candidate is

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Speaker 1: not the margin? Good Neal, Molly, John fast Hi Jesse,

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Speaker 1: I hear we're going to talk about a subject we're

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Speaker 1: not gonna like. Yeah, as someone who has two seniors,

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Speaker 1: two senior dogs who are thirteen years old, which is nice,

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Speaker 1: I think ninety and dog years or twelve years old.

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Speaker 1: They're quite old, and a rescue puppy who is too.

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Speaker 1: This is like absolutely the fucking just gets me so upset,

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Speaker 1: and you have clank. So doctor Oz, Mr Abortion is murder. Well,

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Speaker 1: you'll be surprised to hear, or maybe won't be that

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Speaker 1: he actually did murder a bunch of dogs three hundred

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Speaker 1: plus and also bunnies and also dogs bunnies gave them

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Speaker 1: heart stuff. She actually, as his employer at the time,

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Speaker 1: was ordered to pay a two thousand dollar penalty for

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Speaker 1: violating the Animal Welfare Act. I mean, I'm sorry, but like,

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Speaker 1: imagine how bad it was that one dog was kept

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Speaker 1: alive for a month, continuing experimenting on her during her unstable,

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Speaker 1: painful condition. He could be the next senator from Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: So he gets a mighty fuck you for torturing animals

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Speaker 1: from me and a mighty moment of funckery. There is

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Speaker 1: literally no person lower than someone who tortures animals or

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Speaker 1: who isn't in any way involved with that. So they

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Speaker 1: get a hearty fuck you for me. But the way

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Speaker 1: I think of it, as we were mad at Mitt

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Speaker 1: Romney for one act of this, but three, I mean

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Speaker 1: the dogs survived, right. I mean, I'm not. I would

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Speaker 1: never do it. It's a certainly a terrible but anyway,

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Speaker 1: the point is, you know, it's disgusting, it's revolting. It

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Speaker 1: is our moment of creat today. That's it for this

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