1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous young Myrtle Beach 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: coed is twenty three years old, found dead under an overpass, 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: her car still running. What happened to Amber? I'm Nancy Grace. 4 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. 5 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: A young South Carolina woman runs errands on her way 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: to work. She stops to pay her cable bill, gets gas, 7 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: but never makes it to work. 8 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: She's absolutely stunning and was just days away from graduating 9 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: from college. What happened to Amber? This is how it 10 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: all starts. Listen. 11 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 3: The Myrtle Beach area of South Carolina gets very busy 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 3: on the weekends, and at around four thirty pm on 13 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 3: a Friday, a call comes into nine one one. The 14 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 3: caller says there appears to be an injured person outside 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 3: of a car on Old Sanders Road under the Robert 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 3: Edge Parkway overpath in North Myrtle Beach. Officers arrive quickly 17 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 3: and find the woman lying next to her still running 18 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 3: car and no witnesses. The woman has a cell phone 19 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 3: inches away from her fingertips that is actively beeping with 20 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 3: missed calls, texts, and email messages. 21 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: With all that evidence, it seems so hard to comprehend. 22 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: We still don't have Amber's answers as to what happened 23 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: to this gorgeous young co ed. Joining me an all 24 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: star panel to make sense of what we know right now, 25 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: including Amber's mother, her sister, and her very best friend. 26 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: I want to go straight out first, to Amber's mother, 27 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: Michelle Robinson, when did you learn that Amber had passed away? 28 00:01:47,200 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 4: I just started work bag bag big, I said, you go. 29 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 4: So I crossed the group and a little bit barged 30 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 4: away in. He said, uh, we're investigating homicide Amber Pavilion. 31 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 4: I said homicide, but over my head, I said, Amber, 32 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 4: where's she? Where's she? One of us said she's been shot. 33 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 4: I'm like what? And she grabbed my arm. She's right, 34 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 4: he said no. I want to fall back and said. 35 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: No and. 36 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 4: Asked to be questions. I couldn't think straight. I needed 37 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 4: to pull my mother. My mom was on her way Pennsylvania, 38 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 4: I said, mom. The officer took the phone. I couldn't die. 39 00:02:58,960 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 4: It was a nightmare. 40 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: Since also with miss Robinson is amber sister Amanda. Amanda, 41 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: when did you learn that your sister? She's absolutely beautiful 42 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: and so much ahead of her in life? When did 43 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: you learn that she had been killed. 44 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 5: I was at work. I had gotten a few phone 45 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 5: calls throughout the night. I was waitressing at the time, 46 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 5: and it was a busy Friday night and I didn't 47 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 5: answer my phone. So at the end of my shift, 48 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 5: I I finally picked up my phone and it was 49 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 5: my uncle and told me that she had been shot. 50 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 5: And I didn't think I didn't think it was possible 51 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 5: other than you know, like maybe she was in the hospital. 52 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 5: So I was just like, well, where is she, how 53 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 5: is she doing? And he just said, I'm sorry, honey, 54 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 5: she's gone. 55 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: What went through your mind when you heard the phrase, 56 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, honey, she's gone. It was. 57 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 5: Not comprehendible. I just kind of like fell to the ground. 58 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 5: There were still customers in the restaurant and nobody knew 59 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 5: what was going on. And my coworkers just kind of 60 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 5: picked me up and helped me out the back door, 61 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 5: and you know, trying to figure out what was happening, 62 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 5: and I just, you know, blurted it out. 63 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: My sister was shot. She's dead, And. 64 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 5: You know, they just helped me pull myself together and 65 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 5: get home and get to my dad. And it's like 66 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 5: my mother said, it's been a nightmare ever since. 67 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: When you first learned, Amanda that Amber had been shot, 68 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: in your mind, what did you think had happened? 69 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 6: I had no idea. 70 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 5: You know, there were so many different things that could 71 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 5: have you know, we're going through my mind. I just 72 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 5: quick got home and you know, packed my stuff and 73 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 5: headed down to South Carolina to try to figure out 74 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 5: out and to make sense of any funny bit of that. 75 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: Also joining us, in addition to Amber's mother and sister, 76 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: her best friend Karen Ritchie. Karen described for us when 77 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: you learned Amber had been killed. 78 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:21,799 Speaker 7: Someone at the scene recognized Amber and called my manager. 79 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 8: At overtime and told him, and they called me in 80 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 8: the office and. 81 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 4: Told me. 82 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 8: It was unbelievable shot her. And that's what they said 83 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 8: in the beginning. And you know, he spends because the 84 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 8: New world to do something like that. It took me 85 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 8: a few minutes to get together to be able to 86 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 8: drive home. And it's just been unbelievable ever since, because 87 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 8: it's just like one dad and after another. 88 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: Karen Ritchie is joining us, Amanda Barbilia and Michelle Robinson. 89 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: Let me understand, Karen, when you were first told that 90 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: Amber had been killed, what did you believe happened? In 91 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: your heart of hearts? When I was first told my 92 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: fiance was dead, I thought there had been some horrible 93 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: car crash, some accident, That's what I thought. Then I 94 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: found out he had been shot. And I couldn't even 95 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: imagine a scenario under which that would happen. Neither one 96 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: of us owned a gun, nobody had a gun in 97 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: their home, So how was he shot? But I was 98 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: in such shock, I didn't think it through. When you 99 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: first heard this news that Amber had been shot? What 100 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: did you think happened? And I have a reason for asking, 101 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: go ahead. 102 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 7: Well, you know, like something random, or possibly a robbery 103 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 7: or something to that effect. I mean, it just didn't 104 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 7: make any sense. She didn't hurt anybody. It didn't make 105 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 7: any sense that anybody hurt her. She was the most scary, 106 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 7: hearing person. She had such a spirit in aura. 107 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 4: I just couldn't wrap my head around that anybody would 108 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 4: want to hurt her for any reason. 109 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: Just days away from graduating college, her life cut down, 110 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: found underneath and overpass her car, still running, her fingertips 111 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: near her cell phone, which was buzzing, buzzing off the chart. 112 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: What more do we know? Listen. 113 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 9: First responders find a female victim wine outside her still 114 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 9: running car. Injuries to her face are so severe at 115 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 9: first glance it appears she has been shot in the face. 116 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 9: The woman has died before help arrives, and no witnesses 117 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 9: are around to provide any context for what has taken place. 118 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 9: Investigators find the victim's purse inside the car with money 119 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 9: still in it, and rule out robbery as a motive. 120 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 9: They also find the victim's identification, Amber Burbilia joining us. 121 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: US in addition to Ambery Burbilia's family, Michelle Robinson, Amanda Barbilia, 122 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: her sister and best friend, Karen Ritchie. Barry Hutchinson Senior 123 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: now joining US twenty six years in law enforcement, veteran 124 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: detective now chief investigator with Barry and associates. Barry Hutchison, 125 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us well. Immediately, police rule 126 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: out robbery because her purse, her pocketbook is still there, 127 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: her cell phone is still there. There's money in the purse, 128 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: so it's not robbery. We also see that she's outside 129 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: of the car, so it's not a random drive by shooting. 130 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: She's outside the car. 131 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 10: What do you think I think it was somebody that 132 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 10: was that she was familiar with. I think it was 133 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 10: a crime of opportunity. My first instinct is telling me 134 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 10: that it's probably somebody that had romantic answers in her, 135 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 10: but they weren't reciprocated, and I think it was a 136 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 10: crime of passion. From that standpoint, what. 137 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: More can we deduce from the scene? Listen? 138 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 11: Hory County Police Detective Jonathan Martin says, Amber Rebilia's body 139 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 11: is found along Old Sanders Road under the Robert Edge 140 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 11: Parkway overpass. There are no witnesses on sene. Although the 141 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 11: injuries to our face appeared to be gunshot wounds, the 142 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 11: coroner reveals that Amberverbilia wasn't shot as previously thought. She 143 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 11: was beaten to death and cause of death is bloom 144 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 11: forced trauma. 145 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: So when responders first get there, they believe that Amber 146 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: has been shot, but then they realize she was beaten 147 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: so badly she appeared to have been shot in the face. 148 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: Also joining us a renowned chief medical examiner out of 149 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: Terran County. That's Fort Worth and esteemed lecturer at the 150 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, doctor Kendall Crown's. Doctor 151 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: Crown's thank you for being with us, explain to me 152 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: in medical terms what the that means. 153 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 12: So, sometimes gunshow wounds can be or blunt force injuries 154 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 12: can be confused with gunshow wounds because the natures of 155 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 12: wounds on the head can look like a gunshow wound injury. 156 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 12: You can get these kind of stellate tears or star 157 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 12: shaped tears that it can look like entrance wounds from gunshots, 158 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 12: but instead are from blunt force injuries, especially if they've 159 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 12: used a weapon or a rock or a hammer, it 160 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 12: can leave these type of stellate wounds or star shaped wounds. 161 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 12: The other thing is is often with blunt force trauma, 162 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 12: there can be so much deformation or damage to the 163 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 12: head that it can look like a gunshow wound, which 164 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 12: also causes a significant trauma to the head as well. 165 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: So you're telling me a person can be beaten so 166 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: badly that it actually resembles a gunshot wound. 167 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 12: Yes, they can be beaten so badly that the destruction 168 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 12: that happens to the head and the skull can have 169 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 12: the appearance of the massive trauma caused a gunshot wound. 170 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: Do we know what time of the day or night 171 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: she was attacked? Let me go out to Karen Ritchie 172 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: or Amanda Barbillia. Let me go to you, Amanda. Do 173 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: we know what time of the day or night this occurred. 174 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 5: It was around I think three or four in the afternoon. 175 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 5: It was broad daylight. 176 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: My understanding, it was closer to four pm in the afternoon. 177 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: And when you say broad daylight, that's very significant because 178 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: to Barry Hutcheson Senior joining us again twenty six years 179 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: in law enforcement, this person that attacked her was so 180 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: bold and there's no way this can be deemed self 181 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: inflicted because it's not a gunshot wound. It's blunt force 182 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: trauma so severe her skull was fractured. I just wanted 183 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 1: to make sure I understood the time of the attack. 184 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: This gerson is brazen to commit a crime like this. 185 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: It's not just a drive by shooting. Wam bam, you're done. 186 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: She has to get out of the car and then 187 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: she's beaten, beaten horribly around the face to the point 188 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: she dies, her skull fractured, and nobody sees a thing. 189 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 10: Yeah, Nac, it's just as it makes sense, and to me, 190 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 10: it has all the hallmarks of something to where there's 191 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 10: so much passion involved in the crime itself, so much 192 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 10: pain and injury that was inflicted that to me, it 193 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 10: just really stands out as somebody that knew her and 194 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 10: she was there for a very specific reason. Maybe that 195 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 10: person was following her and she pulled off the road 196 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 10: because she saw them. You know, we don't know. I mean, 197 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 10: the case it's pretty much hush hushed with the Horay 198 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 10: County Police. They're not discussing it in any regard whatsoever. 199 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 10: But to me, it has a lot of key indicators 200 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 10: as somebody that she was familiar with. And again, I 201 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 10: think because of all the passion involved in the crime 202 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 10: that it was probably I'm really leaning towards somebody that, 203 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 10: for lack of better words, that she yielded, that wanted 204 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 10: a relationship with her, but she just did not reciprocate. 205 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 10: She was very happy with the person she was with, 206 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 10: had plans on getting married, and I think this was 207 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 10: kind of a confrontation by that person as the last 208 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 10: ditch effort to say, hey, why not me instead of 209 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 10: this guy? And then when she didn't go with it, 210 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 10: I think that passion just overcame that person and the 211 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 10: young lady lost her wife track. 212 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: A beautiful young woman found beaten to death lying next 213 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: to her running car under a freeway overpass. 214 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: Who could do this? 215 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 3: Amber Bbilia is originally from New York, but calls South 216 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 3: Carolina home now. She is a college student at Hoary 217 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 3: Georgetown Technical College with designs on becoming a costume designer. 218 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 3: Studying abroad in London for part of her education, She 219 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: meets Jose Tulsar and comes back home in love. 220 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 2: After two years of dating. 221 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 3: Amber and Jose make plans to marry weeks after she 222 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,359 Speaker 3: graduates from college, and that time is fast approaching. 223 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: That casts some light on the theory. A quote jilted 224 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: lover or boyfriend killed her. If she had been involved 225 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: in that relationship for two years and very happy, it's 226 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: highly unlikely that there was another guy on the side. 227 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: We don't have any information about that. 228 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 5: No, there's no information that there was anybody on the side. 229 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 5: I don't think you know, she would have had anybody, 230 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 5: but she was. She's had a lot of friends, and 231 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 5: it could have been somebody that she had a friendship 232 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 5: with that just really wanted more than that and she 233 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 5: just wouldn't reciprocate. 234 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: Now, thinking all of this through, let me figure out, 235 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: can either of you three ladies, her mom, her sister 236 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:03,239 Speaker 1: or best friend, enlightened on her love interest, her relationship, 237 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: her fiance. They were a few weeks away from getting married. 238 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: She was very happy with Jose. 239 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 5: She was very excited to get married and start her future. 240 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 5: She was moving to London, and I mean she was 241 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 5: just so happy. They were smitten. They were a perfect 242 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 5: fairy tale love story too. 243 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: Michelle Robinson, this is Ambermilia's mom, Michelle. What was she 244 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: doing for a living until she moved back to London. 245 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: Where was she working? 246 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 4: She was working at Austria and Growth, which is very 247 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 4: high class restaurant serving and she was going to. 248 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: School to see done. 249 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 4: Here's the picture me and her mother grandmother went and 250 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 4: picked up wedding dresses just weeks before. I do not 251 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 4: believe it was someone that had passion for I believe 252 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 4: it was a stranger because if they knew Amber, they 253 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 4: would not kill her. She lit up a room. She 254 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 4: was happy that if someone had something against her, they 255 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 4: would have told her that. I don't think it was 256 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 4: someone she knew. 257 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: That's my Let's analyze what Michelle Robinson is saying. Join 258 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: me now. Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Alexis Tereschuk, Alexis, 259 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us tonight. I'm trying to 260 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: analyze what I've just heard. Now. You and I, Alexis, 261 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: have handled a lot of homicide cases together, and one 262 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: thing I've always been puzzled with is that it seems 263 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: sometimes like the very best, the sweetest people end up 264 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: being homicide victim and even at random victims. So while 265 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: I understand what mom is saying, that's not always true. 266 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: Because a person is wonderful and loving and innocent and 267 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: lights up her room, that does not protect them from predators. 268 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: Ano they're saying, Alexis Terrestrick. Any light you could shed 269 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: on this, Many people, including the mom, Michelle Robinson, believe 270 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: that this was stranger and stranger for a robbery. But 271 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: think it through, and I'm going to go back to 272 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: you on this, Barry Hutchinson Senior, If you want money, 273 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: you want to rob somebody is following a woman in 274 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: a car in broad day light, dragging her out of 275 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: the car and beating her in the face, then you 276 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: don't take the pocketbook with the money in it. That's 277 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: that's just like the John in a Ramsey case, all right, 278 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: where somebody said when they decide a kidnapper breaks in 279 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: at Christmas and leaves the ransom note for one hundred 280 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: and eighteen thousand dollars and said, oh, hey, you know what, 281 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: I've come this far, but never mind, I'm just gonna 282 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: kill her and leave here. That doesn't make sense. So 283 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: if you're going to commit a robbery, why don't you 284 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: mug somebody in a dark alley, Why don't you grab 285 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: somebody's pocketbook and the mall parking lot when their bags 286 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: their arms are full of bags, or the grocery or 287 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: the grocery lot or the parking deck outside of target. 288 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: Why chase down a car, get the woman out of 289 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: the car, beat her in the face, fracture her skull. 290 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: It's a vicious beating, okay, to her face. That's full 291 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: of all sorts of psychological implications. And then you don't 292 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: take the pocketbook, you don't take the purse or the money. 293 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense, alexis what facts can you shed 294 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: on this? 295 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 6: Well? Also, there was not a weapon found as as 296 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 6: far as the police have said, at the crime scene, 297 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 6: so we don't know if she was hit with the 298 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 6: person's fist or if they had another weapon. But they 299 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 6: did not take the money. So you think maybe something 300 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 6: went wrong, Maybe she owed somebody money for some reason 301 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 6: they felt they followed her. They said to get the 302 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 6: money back, but they left the purse. And again it 303 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 6: is broad daylight. While this isn't a heavily trafficked area, 304 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 6: as you can see from the photos, it is still 305 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 6: a public location where she was just found. Literally her 306 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 6: car was running, so she was very surprised when this happened. 307 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: And they left. 308 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 6: No, they didn't take anything. So if she was let's 309 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 6: just say she owed somebody some money, she was going 310 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 6: to meet them with the money. Something happened, she didn't 311 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 6: give it to them. They didn't take the money, they 312 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 6: didn't take anything, and they didn't take her cell phone either. 313 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: Anlesis terreschuk I specifically asked if you could shed light 314 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: on the facts not come up with the wild hypothesis. 315 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: Are you actually saying you have any facts to support 316 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,719 Speaker 1: she owed anyone money? A just guessing. 317 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 6: I am just guessing, but I'm saying that she did 318 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 6: owe somebody money, they didn't take it when it was 319 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 6: found in her wallet. 320 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: Sh No facts support that. As a matter of fact, 321 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: facts support the exact opposite listen. 322 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 3: Amber Bermilia's mother, Michelle, says the murder simply happened to 323 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 3: the wrong person, saying, quote, Amber was a social butterfly. 324 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 3: She had friends from school, she had friends from work. 325 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 3: She put herself through school. Her mother says she was 326 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 3: looking through some of Amber's bills and papers and finds 327 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,479 Speaker 3: her daughter doesn't owe anything to anybody. All of her 328 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 3: bills were up to date, and she paid off all 329 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 3: of her student loans. The twenty three year old hid 330 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 3: in the face twice with a blunt object so hard 331 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 3: that investigators believed she was shot. 332 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: What more do we know about the scene that can 333 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: shed light on her murder? Listen. 334 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 9: Investigation into the murder of Amber Burbilia is difficult. From 335 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 9: the first hours. There are no witnesses to describe hearing 336 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 9: or seeing anything. There was no robbery, as her phone, 337 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 9: keys and wallet were left untouched. The keys are still 338 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 9: in the ignition in the car is running, but the 339 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 9: suspect doesn't use the car to get away from the scene. 340 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: It sounds to me like a crime of opportunity. Now, 341 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: Alexis Tereschuk, I just attacked you about your claim that 342 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: this young girl about to graduate college heading to London 343 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: to become a costume designer. A few weeks away from 344 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: her wedding to the man of her dreams. They're moving together. 345 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: That she owed somebody money. She even she's one of 346 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: the few in the country along with me, that paid 347 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: off all her student loans. This woman did not owe money. 348 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: What I was expecting you to describe, Alexis Terestchuk is 349 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: video surveillance. What can you tell me about video surveillance 350 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: of Amber just before her death. 351 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 6: So first she seen paying her cable bill. 352 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: That is on video. 353 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 6: The video has not been released by the police. After that, 354 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 6: she goes to the gas station. That video has been released. 355 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 6: She's wearing black pants, leperprint shirt. She has cute little 356 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 6: glasses on. Then so the police took the video. They 357 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 6: went all up and down this highway and they found 358 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 6: video of her car and in it she's by herself. 359 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 6: She's driving her car. She turns a corner, they lose 360 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 6: sight of her for about half an hour. Half an 361 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 6: hour later, her car comes back round. 362 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: She is driving. 363 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 6: There appears to be a passenger in the seat from 364 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 6: the video. What has been described is that this passenger 365 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,239 Speaker 6: appeared to be a dark person. It may have been 366 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 6: a black man in the car with her. This is 367 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 6: what was seen, and then we don't see them again 368 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 6: and mirror minutes later, within an hour or so, she 369 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 6: is murdered on the side of the road. But there 370 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 6: is no evidence of this person at the crime scene 371 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 6: that we have seen. 372 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand something like the stroschuck goes off 373 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: video cam. Okay, what kind of video was? It was 374 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: at a store? Was it a red light? Do we 375 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: know what kind of video cam it was? 376 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 6: We do not know what kind of I think it was, 377 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 6: Like said, they searched on the highway, so it might 378 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 6: might have been one of the interstate video cameras. 379 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Okay. It sees her turn off the roadway 380 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: onto a side street. She's alone. When she comes back 381 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: onto the roadway from that side street, there is we 382 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: believe to be a mail in the car with her 383 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: in the front seat. Correct. 384 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 6: Correct, He appears to be a blackmail from the video. 385 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: Amanda, what have you been told about the video? 386 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 5: Exactly what she just said, Just that they have video 387 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 5: of her on the street stopping to pay her cable bill, 388 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 5: and then she goes goes onto a side street and 389 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 5: comes back. But I don't know, and that there was 390 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 5: somebody in the car with her when she comes back 391 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 5: onto the highway. 392 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 4: But I didn't. 393 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 5: I don't know what street or the area. I don't. 394 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 5: I'm not familiar with the area. 395 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: We understand that the cameras were those installed along the roadway. 396 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: Alexis Treestchuk, you're right about that. Michelle Robinson, Amber's mom. 397 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: Were you ever told what is down the street or 398 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: did you investigate what was down the street why she 399 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: went there? 400 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 4: Yes? And I saw that video and to me, it 401 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 4: was a shadow. It was not a person. I went 402 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 4: to the police station and it did not appear to 403 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 4: be a black person or anybody. It's just a shadow, 404 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 4: maybe not even not even visible to being on They're 405 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 4: saying that it was a black person. Maybe to me, 406 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 4: it looked like just a shadow, no clear indication of 407 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 4: a person. 408 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: Is law enforcement telling you they believe it's a person, yes, okay, 409 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: so they believe it's a person. You believe it's a shadow? Correct? 410 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 5: Yes? 411 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: And how quickly after seeing what they believe is a 412 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: person in the car with her? Is she killed within 413 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: damp hower? What do we know about defensive wounds? Listen, 414 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: the mother of Amber Burbilia. Michelle Robinson says her daughter 415 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: was hit with something in the head twice, causing two 416 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: skull fractures. She also says Amber did not go down 417 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: without a fight. According to Robinson, the funeral home suggests 418 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: putting on a long sleeve dress for visitation to cover 419 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: up the bruises and cuts on her arms. According to 420 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: her mother, Amber Burbilia put up a good fight. Two. 421 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns joining us out off Fort Worth, Texas. 422 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: Doctor Crown's, I want to understand something we earlier heard 423 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: that we've laurened she had a skull fracture. Two. In fact, 424 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: could a skull fracture result from a blow from a 425 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: fist or would it have to be a blunt object? 426 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 12: So your skull can fracture from a punch, depending on 427 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 12: how much force is put behind the punch where you're 428 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 12: hitting your face, the skull, the bones of the skull 429 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 12: in these areas are easily fractured. But from a punch 430 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 12: you can break the nose, you can break the orbital rims. 431 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 12: But the type of injuries that are being described to 432 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 12: me sounds more like a heavy blunt object like a 433 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 12: pipe or a hammer, because you're not going to see 434 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 12: the extensive injuries that look like a gunshot wound unless 435 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 12: it's something that you can put a lot of force 436 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 12: behind causing major fractures of the skull. 437 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: This is where I'm going, Doctor Kennel Crown's, and I 438 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: want to follow up with you about how how many 439 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: veins have venous the face is that would produce a 440 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: lot of bleeding to resemble a gunshot wound. But we're 441 00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:00,479 Speaker 1: talking about potential fractures. We're talking about whether a weapon 442 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: was used. She was off camera, Doctor Kendall Crowns for 443 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: about thirty minutes. The highway cam, what we've learned was 444 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: a highway cam sees her going down the highway. The roadway, 445 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: she turns off into the side street, Doctor Kendall Crowns. 446 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: She's not seen for thirty minutes. When she comes back 447 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: on camera, Doctor Crowns, according to law enforcement, there is 448 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: a male sitting in her front seat. Within an hour, 449 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: she's dead. I'm trying to figure out was a weapon 450 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: used and if so, what weapon. It seems to me 451 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: that's the guy we need to be looking for now, 452 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: Doctor Kindall Crown's. Two fractures to the skull, if the fractures. 453 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 1: Can a skull fracture be to the front of the 454 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: face or doesn't have to be saved from the eyebrows back? 455 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: What would the nose, the mouth, the cheeks? Would that 456 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: be the skull? Is that considered the skull. 457 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 12: So yeah, again, the skull can be any portion of 458 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 12: this could be a skull fracture. So facial skull here, nose, cheek, 459 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 12: side ahead where your ear would be, can also be 460 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 12: considered a skull fracture. So any of that can be 461 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 12: considered a skull fracture. 462 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: In the description, okay, doctor Kennel crowns, it looked like 463 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: a gunshot wound. Was that bad? Would there be more 464 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,479 Speaker 1: bleeding if the attack was to the veinous area in 465 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: the mouth and the nose and the eyes. They bleed 466 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: so profusely. 467 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 12: So your head actually has a lot of vascularity to it, 468 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 12: your nose, your face, even your scalp has a tremendous 469 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 12: amount of vasculature. So anytime there's injuries to the facial 470 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 12: or head area, there is always going to be a 471 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 12: lot of bleeding. It doesn't care, It doesn't matter what 472 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 12: exactly the area is. It just if it's part of 473 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 12: the head, it'll bleed quite profusely. 474 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 11: Hory County Police Detective Jonathan Martin says, Amber Babilia's body 475 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 11: is found along Old Sanders Road under the Robert Edge 476 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 11: Parkway overpass. There are no witnesses on sene. Although the 477 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 11: injuries to her face appeared to be gunshot wounds, the 478 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 11: coroner reveals that Amber Verbilia wasn't shot as previously thought. 479 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 11: She was beaten to death and cause of death is 480 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 11: bloom forced trauma. First Responders find a female victim laying 481 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 11: outside her still running car. Injuries to her face are 482 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 11: so severe at first glance it appears she has been 483 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 11: shot in the face. The woman has died before help arrives, 484 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 11: and no witnesses are around to provide any context for 485 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 11: what has taken place. Investigators find the victim's purse inside 486 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 11: the car, with money still in it, and rule out 487 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 11: robbery as a motive. They also find the victim's identification, 488 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 11: Amber Verbilia. 489 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 2: Hey mom, I just wanted to call and tell you 490 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: I love you. Roses are red, violets are blue, sugar 491 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 2: is sweet, and so are you. I love you. Good night. 492 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 2: A mother cherishes the last voicemail from. 493 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: Her daughter, Alexis Tereschuk. If l E Law enforcement is correct, 494 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: that could very well be her killer caught on video. 495 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: So I'm trying to learn more about that, Alexis what's 496 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: the car fully processed for DNA and fingerprints. 497 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 6: The police have said that they've investigated all of it. 498 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 6: They have never released a suspects name. They have never 499 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 6: released any information saying they're looking for a suspect they 500 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 6: and even if so, they could run this through if 501 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 6: there was DNA anywhere found, they could run it through 502 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 6: one of the genealogy sites and maybe get a match 503 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 6: on somebody else, But they have never released any information 504 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 6: about that. 505 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: Back to doctor Kendall Crowns, I'm still on the stillfrichur 506 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: And the reason I'm asking doctor Crowns is, I'm trying 507 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: do you determine if you or someone like you, another 508 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: medical examiner would be able to tell if she was 509 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: beaten with Let's just say, was she pistol whipped? Was 510 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: she attacked with a pipe? If we could figure out 511 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: from her injuries, what was the murder weapon, what was 512 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: the type of murder weapon? A hammer? For peace sake, 513 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: like doctor Teresa sever you can look at the wounds 514 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: sometimes and you can determine what type of weapon was used. 515 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: Isn't that true? 516 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 12: It's correct. So with bloom force injuries, there can be 517 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 12: patterns that are left by the weapon. Pipes can leave 518 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 12: like what we call tram track bruising, where you see 519 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 12: bruising on either side of the wound. Hammers actually leave 520 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 12: kind of circular or kind of almost Mercedes bin type 521 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 12: symbol of allsions as well. That can be mistaken for 522 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 12: gunshot wounds. It just depends what the object is, but 523 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 12: it will. It can leave pattern injury. Well. A fist 524 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 12: doesn't usually, but other objects can. So you can get 525 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 12: kind of an impression of it based on what the 526 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 12: wounds look like. 527 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: If this was not to the nose or the face 528 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: facial area, and it left skull fractures, this was not 529 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: done with a fist, that tells me the person that 530 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: got in her car, the man in her car, had 531 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: some sort of a weapon. Was it a pipe, Was 532 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: it a hammer? Was it a gun used to pistol 533 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: whip her? I don't know, but I do believe. Barry Hutchinson, 534 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: Senior joining me Private Eye, chief investigator for Burying Associates 535 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: Investigative Services in Kansas and Missouri Barry, we say that 536 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: you know statistics, teach us, you look first at those 537 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: closest to her, and that would be the fiance. It's 538 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: not the fiance. I've already investigated it myself. He's ruled out. 539 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: He has a rock solid alibi. He was in Europe 540 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: at the time, No question, it's not him. But I'm 541 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: very interested in your theory about a romantic interest she 542 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: worked as her mom just told us at a very 543 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: high end restaurant. Who was watching her, who was sitting 544 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: at the bar watching her every move? Who could have 545 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: been obsessed with her? Because Barry, I'm very torn right now. 546 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: Did she give some random guy a ride and he 547 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: attacked her? Because nobody can identify who this person is, 548 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: or is it someone that had been watching her and 549 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: she agreed to give him a ride. The fact that 550 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: we know it's not a robbery, we know it's not 551 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: a sex assault, we know that it's in broad daylight. 552 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: So who would have been so bold to attack this 553 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: beautiful young co ed just a couple of weeks away 554 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: from her wedding. I really want to hear your thoughts, Barry. 555 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 10: The police had the ability they know a timeline of 556 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 10: her disappearing for thirty minutes or so. You know, there 557 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 10: are elements that they can use to investigate too, like 558 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 10: her vehicle. I don't know if her vehicle was equipped 559 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 10: with on Star. I don't know if she had her 560 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,399 Speaker 10: cell phone with her. I'm assuming she did. I think 561 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 10: in the earlier conversation you said that she had her 562 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 10: cell phone with her. 563 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: Yes, she did. 564 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 10: That phone can also be pinged and they could find 565 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 10: out where she was in that immediate area that she 566 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 10: went missing for those thirty minutes. And then at that point, 567 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 10: what I would do, it's just good old fashioned police work. 568 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 10: I would canvass that area door to door, find out 569 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 10: anybody and everybody in that area that has a criminal record, 570 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 10: anybody that could match, you know, theoretically the type of 571 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 10: crime that was committed, if they have a history of that. 572 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 10: Look for people that just got out of the penitentiary, 573 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 10: Look for people to have that kind of a vicious 574 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 10: background or violent background, and see if I could come 575 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 10: up with a list of viable subjects that could be 576 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 10: possible suspects. It just does not make sense to me 577 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 10: that a young lady like this would get out of 578 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 10: her vehicle and have a confrontation with somebody in a 579 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 10: remote area where she's not safe and not know that person. 580 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 10: It just does not add up to me at all. 581 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 10: I think that again, I'm going to stick with my 582 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 10: idea that it's somebody that she's familiar with, and I 583 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 10: think that it's somebody that probably had an interest in 584 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 10: her that she just did not reciprocate because she was 585 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 10: very happy with whom she was with. 586 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 3: Amber Rebilia is originally from New York, but calls South 587 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 3: Carolina home now. She is a college student at Horay 588 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,720 Speaker 3: Georgetown Technical College with designs on becoming a costume designer. 589 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 3: Studying abroad in London for part of her education, she 590 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 3: meets Jose Toulsar and comes back home in love. After 591 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 3: two years of dating. Amber and Jose make plans to 592 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 3: marry weeks after she graduates from college, and that time 593 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 3: is fast approaching. 594 00:35:54,680 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 2: Years later and still no suspects. Her family deserves closure. 595 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 2: What happened to Amber Barbilia? 596 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: When you don't know where to go, you start over 597 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: and you look at who is your victim? Listen? 598 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 3: Amber Burbilia is originally from New York but calls South 599 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 3: Carolina home now. She is a college student at Hora 600 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 3: Georgetown Technical College with designs on becoming a costume designer. 601 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 3: Studying abroad in London for part of her education, she 602 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 3: meets Jose Tulsar and comes back home in love. After 603 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 3: two years of dating, Amber and Jose make plans to 604 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,919 Speaker 3: marry weeks after she graduates from college, and that time 605 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 3: is fast approaching. 606 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: What more do we know? Listen? 607 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,879 Speaker 9: At age twenty three, Amber Burbilia doesn't live at home, 608 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,399 Speaker 9: but talks to her mother daily. When one of her 609 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 9: calls to her mother isn't answered, Amber leaves a message 610 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 9: for her mother. Roses are red, violets are blue, Sugar 611 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 9: is sweet, and so are you. I love you good night. 612 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: Oh my stars, Roses are red violence for blue, sugar 613 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: is sweet and so are you. I love you you 614 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: good night, a message she leaves her mom and joining 615 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 1: me right now is Amber's mother, Michelle Robinson. Miss Robinson. 616 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: I almost hated to say those words back, because I 617 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: know it's like a knife to your heart to hear 618 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,720 Speaker 1: that rhyme, that message she left to you, that little poem. 619 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: But I want to ask you about the facts. We 620 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: keep saying she went to go pay a cable bill, 621 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 1: but there is something very probative about her paying the 622 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: cable bill. Have you been informed about the video from 623 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: inside the Time Warner cable office where she paid her 624 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: bill that while she's in there, there is a man 625 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: standing behind her staring at her, and it's been described 626 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: as in an aggressive manner. But it's my understanding, Miss Robinson, 627 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: that the guy, for all I know he's angry about 628 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: having to wait in line, has been investigated thoroughly and 629 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 1: he has been cleared. Correct. That's what I was still 630 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: to Karen Ritchie joining us, Amber's best friend, and to 631 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: her sister, Amanda Rebelia Amanda, was there anything else happening 632 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: in her life that she seemed disturbed about or worried 633 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: about that you know. 634 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 12: Of No, not at all. 635 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,240 Speaker 5: I just a couple of weeks before she was killed, 636 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 5: she came to visit me for Easter. I had to 637 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 5: I had some things I had to take care of, 638 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,240 Speaker 5: so she had come to take care of my daughters 639 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 5: while I was away. And then when I came home, 640 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 5: you know, we spent Easter Sunday together before she. 641 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 4: Went back home. And you know, she didn't mention at 642 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 4: all anything. 643 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: Nothing at all. Would she have told you she was 644 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: worried about someone or something. Yeah, we were pretty close. 645 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 5: She's to call me all the time, but she would 646 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 5: have made me aware if there was something bothering her. 647 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: Alexis Tereschuk crimeonline dot com. Where does the case stand 648 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:14,479 Speaker 1: right now? 649 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 6: The case is still open. There have been no suspects 650 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 6: released to the public. There, there has been nobody arrested 651 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 6: for it. 652 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: Nothing. 653 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 6: The police have not given any leads as to what 654 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 6: anybody should look for. They have not said anything. They've 655 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 6: never identified publicly a murder weapon at all. So this 656 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,240 Speaker 6: is a case that is still very open and still 657 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 6: all of the evidence has not been released, and they're 658 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 6: still looking for the murderers or murderer. 659 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: To ease their broken hearts, Amber's family erected a memorial photos, mementos, 660 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:59,399 Speaker 1: flowers underneath the freeway overpass where she lost her life. 661 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: They've also set up a website with information about her murder. 662 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: Justice for Amber dot org. Repeat Justice for Amber dot org. 663 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: If you know or even think you know anything about 664 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 1: the murder of this beautiful young co ed, please call 665 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: toll free eight eight eight crime s C eight eight 666 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: eight two seven four sixty three seven two eight eight 667 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: eight two seven four sixty three seven two. There is 668 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: a six thousand dollars reward for information leading to the 669 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 1: discovery of the facts behind the murder of Amber Rebelia. 670 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: We wait as justice un false. Goodbye man 671 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:00,959 Speaker 10: Ay