1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hartunger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun. From figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and eighty, 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: which is first airing in mid January of twenty twenty one. 12 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: I've been referring to this episode as the Quarantine Chronicles 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: because Sarah has said she's willing to talk about her 14 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: family's experience with COVID and quarantine over the past few weeks. 15 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: You know, one of the things we all love about Sarah, 16 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: those of you who read her blog the shoebox dot 17 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: com shubox dot com, is she's so open about her 18 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: life and shares her whole story. I mean, we've been 19 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: there with the great stuff that we get to celebrate 20 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: along with her. She's been you know, so transparent about 21 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: sharing her struggles about various things, I mean the whole 22 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: you know, PMDD we've talked about on this program before, 23 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: or you know, she's talked about infertility and things like this. 24 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: It's just such an open book, which is such a 25 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: gift to all of us. And of course, so she's 26 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: been talking about her family then testing positive for COVID, 27 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: and I know that it's involved being very vulnerable to 28 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: share stuff like this on her blog, and sure enough, 29 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: you open yourself up for criticism, which you know, I 30 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: really think is unfortunate. I mean, I humans love their stories, 31 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: and when something bad happens to someone, sometimes people have 32 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,199 Speaker 1: a tendency to try to figure out what the person 33 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: did wrong, because if there's something the person did wrong, 34 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: then I guess it can't happen to me. But of 35 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 1: course this is totally really ridiculous. I mean, bad stuff 36 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: happens to good people all the time. So anyway, off 37 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: the soap bucks. So we're going to talk about Sarah's experience. Sarah, 38 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: First of all, how is everyone doing? You know, you 39 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: guys are mostly on the mend, right, we are mostly 40 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: on the mend. I would not say, one hundred percent, 41 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: because it is a really weird virus, and I can 42 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,839 Speaker 1: talk about that. It's not like, you know, normally, something 43 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: runs through your house and you're like, okay, I'm really sick, 44 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: and then you're better. It's a little trickier and sneakier 45 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: than that, which is sort of like against my nature 46 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: as someone who just likes to be like okay and 47 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: then let's move on to the next thing. It's a 48 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: new year, whatever. So that part's kind of interesting. But overall, 49 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: we have been super super lucky in our family and 50 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: in our close context that I'm not going to go 51 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: into detail about that because that is not my story. 52 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: But everyone around us who has been affected by this 53 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: luckily has been fine and is doing well. No one 54 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 1: has had to be hospitalized, which is wonderful. And so yes, 55 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: as much as my story will be interesting to some, 56 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: I guess two things. Number One, I just don't want 57 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 1: to acknowledge my luck here and that we didn't get 58 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: super sick. So while it's, you know, an interesting story, 59 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: there are much more powerful and kind of gut wrenching 60 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: stories that you can hear all across the world. And 61 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: the other thing, actually, I don't know what the other 62 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: thing was, but that's okay. That was my main thing, 63 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: just to say, like I I even in telling the story, 64 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: I just the biggest part of my story is gratitude 65 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: that we are not dealing with anything I think long 66 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: term or where the people were mostly asymptomatic, then I 67 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: mean they, oh, the kids were entirely a symptomatic. Yeah, 68 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: there was like one day with Genevieve, like and I 69 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: don't even know. I don't know which kid got it, 70 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: or if any kid got it first or if somebody else, 71 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: Like the origin is actually remains unknown and will remain 72 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: unknown forever, because the thing is, we weren't triggered to 73 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: test the kids until we heard about a contact, and 74 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: then all three were positive and none had ever shown 75 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: any symptoms except for maybe Genevieve being a little bit tired. 76 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: But the thing is, Genevieve's also like just in the 77 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: process of dropping her nap like in the past month, 78 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: So I don't know that I would entirely say, oh, well, 79 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: that's a clear sign. There was one night when she 80 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: fell asleep at like five point thirty and slept all 81 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: the way till the next morning. But like Cameron used 82 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: to do that on the regular, So I don't know. 83 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: No kid had a runny nose, no kid had a 84 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,559 Speaker 1: sore throat, no kid had a fever, no kid coughed 85 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: even one time, you would never have known anything was 86 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: going on with the kids. Now you just coughed. Is 87 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: that did you? I still have like a little stuff, 88 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: like a little tiny bit of like intermittent feeling like 89 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: I don't know, like my breathe is not one hundred 90 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: percent normal, and like my husband's coughing more than I am. 91 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: I'm coughing like twice a day, you know what I mean, 92 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: like not a lot. I think that it is a 93 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: nasty bug though, that like gets in there and settles 94 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: in there and kind of waxes and wanes and again 95 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: that's you know. Actually, I'm not sure I would have 96 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: believed somebody else telling me that. I would have been like, eh, whatever. 97 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: But that has been our experience and the experience that 98 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: I've read about as well. So has Josh mostly okay, 99 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: or he had it a little bit worse than you. 100 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: It sounded like from his his symptoms. And let me 101 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: also admit that we're super, super lucky and that we 102 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: were both vaccinated likely by the time that we I mean, 103 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: I guess I don't know the timeline for sure, because 104 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: there can be a long incubation period and it's a 105 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: little bit fuzzy. But I probably had vaccine in my 106 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: system before the main exposures occurred, I think, which might 107 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: have helped both of us have milder cases. And as 108 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: you all probably know, the vaccine is a two dose vaccine. 109 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: We're lucky enough to be in one of the health 110 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: systems where they basically gave it to all healthcare workers. 111 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: I think that's pretty much true across the nation now, 112 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: and by the time this ads hope errors hopefully even 113 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: more than that. But we both did receive dose number one. 114 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: We're even not sure whether we're going to be allowed 115 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: to get dose number two yet, because there are kind 116 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: of differing opinions. I'm happy to get it if I'm allowed, 117 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: but I may get there and they may say that 118 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: I have to wait ninety days, which is fine. Yeah, 119 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: So maybe you could explain this meadically for us, though, 120 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: because wouldn't you be I don't know if if people 121 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: who've had COVID are then immune to it, which is 122 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: of course the point I don't want to do a 123 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: COVID expert, because I'm definitely not. From what I read, 124 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: like my own, like going to the CDC website, research 125 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: was that because you're likely to be generally immune from 126 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: COVID for ninety days, there's just no rush to get 127 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: the vaccine. I don't think there's any thought that it 128 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: would be harmful to get it. I do think if 129 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: someone was acutely ill with COVID, getting it doesn't make 130 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: sense because you might not get the benefit from it, 131 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: like you might not be able to amount the appropriate 132 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: immune response. But that this caveat, like this is not 133 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: my area. I could talk to you all day about 134 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: like type one diabetes or something like that. I'm just 135 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: you know, repeating when I'm reading off the CDC. So 136 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: it looks like there doesn't there's likely not a harm 137 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: in getting it, but it's also not necessarily recommended that 138 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: you need it, and so that's why I may have 139 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 1: to put it off. But again, I'm gonna whatever the 140 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: vaccine authority people tell me to do, I will follow 141 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: their instructions. So tell us a little bit of the 142 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: timeline of it. So you know, you guys found out 143 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: about your potential exposure, you went and got tested, but 144 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: there were there were negative tests before there were positive tests, right, Yeah, 145 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: So all three kids tested positive, and I think my 146 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: husband and I got tested at the same time and 147 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: we're both negative, but we were both like, I don't know, 148 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: I don't think I feel one hundred percent. My husband 149 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: was starting to have a cough. I was like, I 150 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: don't think I'm breathing normally, and I started getting headaches 151 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: that week. We both tested again twice, and it wasn't 152 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: until the third test for each of us that they 153 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: both turned out positive. And his w I think was 154 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: two days like before mine, But that was more just 155 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: like logistics than anything else. That was kind of a 156 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: lesson in that early COVID, which apparently is when you 157 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: can be pretty contagious, may not be picked up on 158 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: the PCR, although that conflicts with what I've heard is 159 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: that the viral load on the PCR kind of correlates 160 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: with how continuous you are. So again, not a COVID expert, 161 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: but I one hundred percent can tell you that I 162 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: did have COVID type of symptoms several days prior to 163 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: actually testing positive for COVID, and in fact was testing 164 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: negative at that time. So if you have a contact 165 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: and are symptomatic, I wouldn't necessarily hang your hat, especially 166 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: on an early negative heath. And just see you explained 167 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: to people the PCR what that is versus they yes, 168 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: So if you're if you're not familiar, the PCR is 169 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 1: kind of it basically replicates the viral sequences from the virus' 170 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: genome and it will actually the one in our community 171 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: that they actually look at three so you can see 172 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: if you're positive on all of them. Ours we're all 173 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: positive on all of them because I guess they want 174 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: to kind of like serves as a control. And then 175 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: there's another gene that they replicate, like probably some skin 176 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: gene that's an everybody's sample. That's kind of like you know, 177 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: the pregnancy test has two lines. Well that's like the 178 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: control line anyway, So they replicate these genes and if 179 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: it's above a certain amount, then you're carrying enough virus. 180 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: But the antigen test is a much faster test that 181 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: just looks for the presence or not of a little 182 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: bit of a protein that is part of the coronavirus. 183 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: But the one that is a little bit more sensitive 184 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: is generally the PCR test and how are you guys 185 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: getting this done? Were you going to a testing site, 186 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: like going to your PCP, like what was your setup here? 187 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: So this really varies by location. You guys know, I'm 188 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: in South Florida. It's actually very easy for any public 189 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: individual to get a test. There's a lot of drive 190 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: through test sites. Josh and I did a combination of 191 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: using the drive through public sites and also since we 192 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: are hospital employees, if you're asymptomatic, which we were in 193 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: the very beginning, you're allowed to go anytime and get 194 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: a test in one of the eers. So it was 195 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: a combination of those things. But our kids obviously are 196 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: not hospital employees that they use the community testing sites, 197 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: and where we live they're free. And I will say 198 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: I've been pretty impressed. Every time we've gone to get 199 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: a test. The results are back within about forty eight hours, 200 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: so it's not a terrible turnaround, and they come back 201 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: on your phone just to tear phone after they loose 202 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: swab or throat swab or what's your all At this point, 203 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: I had so many COVID tests at this point. The 204 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 1: only thing I've actually never done an antigen test, and 205 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: I've never done any of the saliva tests, so I'm 206 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: sure that will be in my future someday if they 207 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: start to do screenings. But the hospital does a nose 208 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: swab currently. I've had many, many of those, and it's 209 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 1: funny because the technicians do seem to vary in their 210 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: level of aggressiveness that we get in and whether or 211 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: not they do both the nostrils or just one. So 212 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, wouldn't it be the same every time? But 213 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: it's not, And all the community sites around here are 214 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: currently doing the throat swab, so it basically just feels 215 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: like a strap test for the kids. You might think 216 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: that the throat swab would be more kind, but in 217 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: the young kids who don't want to open their mouths, 218 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: it actually leads to much more of a battle situation 219 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: than a nose swab because you can't really it's hard 220 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: to close your nose. You can try, but yeah, yes, yes, goode. 221 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, I have probably had ten COVID tests by 222 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: this point in the year. Yeah, and so how does 223 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: the clock work on it? Then? With your your isolation 224 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: when you have family members test positive or when you 225 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: yourself test positive, or from the onset of symptoms. How 226 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: Because I know that shifted over the course of this, 227 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: Like first you thought, okay, well yeah, and it actually 228 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: can depend on your local department of health, like the 229 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: CDC says like fourteen days, but then there's like leeway 230 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: by the various department of health to use seven or 231 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: tent So that's kind of interesting, like you would think 232 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: it would just the same virus, right, But our department 233 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: of health they called us, so they text you the result, 234 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: but if you're positive, you also get to follow up 235 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: phone call and they ask all about contacts and they 236 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: ask about they kind of give you instructions with like 237 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: where to seek care if you need it, as well 238 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: as instructions about quarantine. And so they said that I 239 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: believe it was ten days after the test date and 240 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: you had to be a completely symptom free for at 241 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: least seventy two hours, which that gets me a little 242 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: question because it's kind of like what about like, you know, 243 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,599 Speaker 1: one cough every eight hours, Like is that a symptom? 244 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: Like I don't know. I'll cross that bridge when I 245 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: get there because I'm still I'm still under quarantine. So 246 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: but yes, it's about ten days from your test, not 247 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: from your symptoms, at least in our locale that may 248 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: be different. And so this corresponded though with the holidays, 249 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: so you guys were off work for some of it anyway, 250 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: I mean that was yeah. No, So when the kids 251 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: were positive and we were negative, at first we're like, well, 252 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: this might be fine because you know, nobody's going to 253 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: get it. The kids will get it, but maybe they 254 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: were already exposed. They'll just get over it. We won't 255 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: get it from them. And then of course we got it. 256 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm assuming we got it from them. But yeah, 257 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: so it didn't work out quite as neatly as we thought. 258 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: The other thing, which was kind of a surprise is 259 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: that I assume the kids could go back to school 260 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: once a certain amount of days had elapsed. But both 261 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: our local public school and the private school that I 262 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: have Cameron and you've currently at, require a negative PCR. 263 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: So the reason that I'm kind of like, huh, is 264 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: that that can take a week, or it can actually 265 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: take months in some unlucky people. It's thought that those 266 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: people are not contagious. I don't think anybody knows for 267 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: one hundred one hundred, one hundred percent, which is why 268 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: they're saying their policies are kind of airing on the 269 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: side of caution. So yeah, we're we're kind of in 270 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: a limbo right now. I think everything's going to be okay, 271 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: though I will say the online learning is still not ideal, 272 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: in particular for Cameron, who's in first grade, but it 273 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: is better now than it was, you know, seven eight 274 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: months ago, so you know, partly because he's he's learned 275 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: how to read better, right, Like, that's part it, right, 276 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: which I think required going to in person school to 277 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: do so very those few months. No really, I mean 278 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: he made absolutely like you know, it was like, is 279 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: this a different kid? Like I was very impressed with 280 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: the progress that he's made since he went to go 281 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: back to school. But you know what, more lockdowns could 282 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: be calming, especially I don't know, you know, we're recording 283 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: this and in fairly early January. It's going to air 284 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks. We know that there's some 285 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: more rapidly spreading variants in Europe right now, probably here too, 286 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: and at least down in Florida. Our schools have been 287 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: pretty adamant about staying open, but I'm imagining that there's 288 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: still some sort of threshold that they have, So I 289 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: actually feel better knowing that, I'm like, Okay, this time 290 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: around wouldn't be as bad as last time if we 291 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: did have to go all online again. All right, let's 292 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: take a quick ad break and then we'll be right back. 293 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: So welcome back. We are talking about Sarah's COVID quarantine chronicles. 294 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: It's hard to say those three words together fast. I 295 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: was stumbling over that earlier. So well, the quarantine clack 296 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: tics at different things. And so you know, we're recording 297 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: this in early January. You, in terms of going back 298 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: to work, are probably looking mid January something like that. 299 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: Or I'm actually theoretically cleared to go back likely next week, 300 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: as long as my symptoms have resolved, and that's done 301 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: through our employee health actually has a whole separate phone 302 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: interview and all this kind of stuff, and they don't 303 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: require a negative test, they just require a number of 304 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: days elapsed. So I'm maybe back as early as next week, 305 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: obviously taking all the precautions I was taking previously, and 306 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: ninety five face shield to protect others, although again the 307 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: science suggests that I shouldn't really be shedding any virus 308 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: by that time. Tell us about sort of life in quarantine, 309 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: then I mean, because obviously most of us haven't been 310 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: going that many places anyway, so it's not like there's 311 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: I mean, there's some change to it, but this has 312 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: been obviously more strict version. I mean, we've been ordering 313 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: groceries in and things like that. So tell us how 314 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: you've sort of planned your days as you are, of 315 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: course the uber planner. Yeah, so this has been different. 316 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: I mean, even though we were I think a fairly 317 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: conservative other than the fact that we sent our kids 318 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: to school, a fairly conservative COVID family, not doing a 319 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: lot of stuff, not doing play dates, et cetera. We 320 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: did used to really go around the block a lot, 321 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: and we used to we did start going to playgrounds 322 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: a little bit, but obviously we had to stop all 323 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: of those things with quarantine and even really going outside 324 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: beyond the borders of our private property felt, you know, 325 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: not cool, so we stayed within our property and house. 326 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: We did use our front driveway a little bit if 327 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: anybody was to get anywhere near us, and they didn't. 328 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: Our neighborhood just doesn't like that. There aren't that many 329 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: people that walk around, which is fine because we do. 330 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: But our driveway is recessed enough from the street that 331 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: we wouldn't ever you know, be in contact. So we 332 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: used our driveway a little bit to kick around the 333 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: soccer ball and to we have a basketball hoop, and 334 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: we used our back patio a lot more than we 335 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: did previously, just because it was an outdoor place to be. 336 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: I went through a lot of sidewalk. I bought an 337 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: industrial thing of bubbles and some fancy bubble wands that 338 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: actually got us through like quite a few days. It 339 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: was like we're spending an hour play with the bubble wan. 340 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: And we had this game of we have a pool 341 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: fence and if they we had like the giant bubbles 342 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: like they think, and if you could do it just right, 343 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: you could get a giant bubble to go over the 344 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: pool fence and it would bounce on the water in 345 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: the pool. It's like you got little things. It's the 346 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 1: little things. And it was just enough of a challenge 347 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: that like kept us going for quite a while. So 348 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: stuff like that, So my days did have a structure. 349 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: Even made a print out of like I called it 350 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: Camp Mommy and Daddy because it was supposed to be 351 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: Camp Mommy, but you know, my husband was stuck home too, 352 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: so I mean secret, but it was actually probably a 353 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: lot more fun of a break for me than it 354 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: would have been otherwise. But he has to make up 355 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: his call and work Thanksgiving and Christmas next year, so 356 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: which is fair but is not gonna be fun anyway. Okay, 357 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,719 Speaker 1: so morning we tried to go outside, you know, you know, 358 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: within our property. We tried not to touch screens until 359 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: about one thirty, and then it was like screen brief 360 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: for all. In fact, even Genevieve has started to do 361 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: a little bit of iPad, which I didn't really think 362 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: I would be allowing, but she really loves it and whatever. 363 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: It's not for very long. So the kids would usually 364 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: watch TV or they play Minecraft and she would watch TV. 365 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: Josh and I were tired, like so that's the thing. 366 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: We had coronavirus, so we didn't necessarily want to run around. 367 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: And it was also kind of like every time I 368 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: would like hear somebody talk about like rest and care 369 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: for yourself if you get COVID, I'm like, hah haha, 370 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: like come to our house and see what that might 371 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: be like with three kids who are completely asymptomatic running 372 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: around going crazy. So we did take advantage of that time. 373 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: I usually napped on the couch. I needed a nap 374 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: every day, Like even if I got enough of sleep 375 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 1: at night, I would pass out immediately after lunch, and 376 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: I let Genevieve watch I don't know a lot of 377 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: Pink Delicious and Daniel Tiger and whatever it was, and 378 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: so yeah, and then it would usually be almost dinnertime. 379 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: I used our sponsors Sunbasket to help make dinner easier, 380 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: and that was not a sponsor thing. I actually I 381 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: just bought it and it was great. So we did 382 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: two weeks of that just to make things easier. The 383 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: plan I didn't have to think. I used whole foods 384 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: like grocery delivery instead of going to the store, which 385 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: I had been doing previously, and we just kinda one 386 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: day at a time. We made it work and it 387 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: wasn't bad. I mean, I think the screen having the 388 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: afternoon kind of made sense and it really allowed us 389 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: to rest. Oh, we did require it was one thirty 390 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: because we required a thirty minute reading block between one 391 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: and one thirty where sometimes Annabelle would read to Genevieve 392 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: and Cameron would read and whatever. But we that's how 393 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: we got to one thirty without the screens. And then 394 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: then free for all? Why not? Why not? Was Josh 395 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: enjoying the screens too? Is he into still doing the Minecraft? Yeah? 396 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: Minecraft with the kids? Like they're on some I don't know. 397 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: They they got to the end. They got to the 398 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: end of Minecraft. It's like something called like the end, 399 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: which is some I don't know whatever. Yes, I think 400 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: the end of Netflix or something. You watched all of it, 401 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. I completely stay out of it. Oh, 402 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: and the kids and Josh are in this huge Settlers 403 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: of Katan kick which I would love to join, but 404 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: I can't because Genevieve can't. So generally our new evening 405 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: ritual if they've had their full of screens is that 406 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: the three of them are playing Settlers and then I 407 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: read to Genevieve and then sometimes she goes to bed 408 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: at like eight, And so you've been able to like 409 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: trade off with Josh more and like have more of 410 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: the two of them. In aspect, it was great, Like 411 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: I haven't had a winter break where my husband was 412 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: home the entire time in like years, so like there 413 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: was that if we had felt one hundred percent, that 414 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: would have made it even better. But COVID's weird, like 415 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: so that's what I was getting at. Like I didn't 416 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: have a terrible cough, I didn't have runny nose. It 417 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: wasn't that kind of misery. I didn't even have fevers. 418 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: Just felt really, really tired, and I just felt like 419 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: my breathing wasn't normal. And I learned, and I didn't 420 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 1: know this at first, that you're not really supposed to 421 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: like run or do strenuous exercise, either while you have 422 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: it or immediately after. I actually went on a couple 423 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: of very light, easy runs before I found that out. 424 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: And I'm like, Okay, that kind of makes sense, because 425 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: like there is something weird. Maybe it's the like mild 426 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: mild carditis that people get, maybe it's some fluid leftover 427 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: in the lungs or something. So I have been taking 428 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: it pretty easy since since learning that, Yeah, or any 429 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: particular like bright moments in you know, not to be 430 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: pollyannish about, like what's the really prummy situation, but you know, 431 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,479 Speaker 1: anything that'll be a fun memory looking back on this. Uh. 432 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: I when we got the positive results forever for each kid, 433 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: I just somehow I just found it sort of after 434 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: the first one came back and then the second one 435 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: came back and then the third one. Each one just 436 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 1: almost like it was like oddly funny, like I think 437 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: it was sort of gallows humor, like it was a 438 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: mixture of fear where but they would come back and 439 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, another one, like really really 440 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: and especially after I've taken so many tests and they 441 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: were always negative, it was so weird to see the positives. 442 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: So I know, also I'll remember that. I don't know 443 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: if it was a bright spot. Yeah, just having the 444 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: days together was really nice. Again, I'll be missing that 445 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: next year for it next year holiday next year too, 446 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: So that's going to be it's going to be, it's 447 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: going to be what it is, what it is. Well, 448 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: we'll see. Well yeah, no, that's I mean, thank you 449 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: for sharing all this with us. I really, you know, 450 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: appreciate your being open and talking about it. And I'm 451 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,959 Speaker 1: sure a lot of our listeners have had similar experiences. 452 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: I mean, how many millions of people have had this 453 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: at this point, so you know, it's it's pretty pretty 454 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: common to have had this experience. So glad that you 455 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: guys came through it as well as you did. So 456 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: we moving to the question section. We have a question 457 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: from a listener who mentions that we've we've discussed some 458 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: of this before, but you know, one of the challenges 459 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: of working from home with two elementary school age kids. 460 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,719 Speaker 1: Her husband is working from home, usually in their bedroom. 461 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: She had a baby in September, so the guest room 462 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: office is now the nursery and they were looking to 463 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: hire a nanny as their family has grown. The nanny 464 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: agency using said they really, you know, preferred if a 465 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: parent was working from home that it be sort of 466 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: off closed in an office, which which makes total sense, 467 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: Like everyone prefers that, right, like the parent working at home. 468 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: Was that for COVID reasons or for more like psychological 469 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: psychological reasons like that you're not just sitting in the 470 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: middle of the kitchen table, you know, they're trying to 471 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: like work care for the kids around you. I don't know, 472 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: I think that generally just explaining as a policy that 473 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: they they prefer that she goes into an office. So 474 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: she's saying, well, we don't actually really have space, so 475 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: how do we make this work? So you know, they 476 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: because buying a like buy a new home or renovating 477 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: is going to be expensive. You know, my first thought 478 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: was that he could try renting space and like a 479 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: coworking space. You know, I sometimes go to our local 480 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: regis when I need office space, and that might be 481 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: more economical, certainly than buying a new house or renovating house. 482 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: And it's also you can try it out right, Like 483 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: you can just go, you know, a couple of days 484 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: and see how it goes, go a week, rent for 485 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: a month whatever. You know, there's no long term commitment here, 486 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: so if they come up with a different solution, or 487 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: if his office decides to bring people back, you're not 488 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: locked into anything. So so that was was my first idea. 489 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 1: And then you know, they can see how it goes 490 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: and if long term his employer is saying, yeah, you're 491 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 1: all working at home forever, well, then they can decide, 492 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: like if they're gonna bite the bullet and move somewhere else. 493 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: Did you like my crazy answer? The third one shed. 494 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: I you know, I know people around here who have 495 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: I was always sort of a little jealous. One of 496 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: my kid's friend's family who lives around here. Their father's 497 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: office is this gorgeous like carriage house in the back 498 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: of their yard. Like it's it's a shed sort of 499 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: type thing, but it's really nicely done up, and I'm like, WHOA, 500 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: that looks perfect, and they're actually like, I mean, they're 501 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: marketing themselves specifically for this. Now, if you look it up, 502 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: there's one called studio. I don't want them. They're not 503 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: a sponsor. I'm not vouching sponsor. Yeah, I just googled it. 504 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: But you know shed modern backyard art offices and they're 505 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: like these cute little buildings and I guess they come 506 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: completely prefab. I mean, how prefab is prefab? Though you 507 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: press a button it all blows up. I don't know 508 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: mattresses actually, I mean I could see that if you 509 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: have a little bit of space in your backyard, it 510 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: might be a viable option. I'm just saying, as long 511 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: as there's some way of heating it or cooling it, 512 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: I guess. But if it's tiny enough, you could do 513 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: that with some sort of individual heating. You don't necessarily 514 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: need plumbing. You can go inside to go to the bathroom. 515 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: So anyway, putting a little shed, Even though I know 516 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: this isn't exactly answering the person's questions, I will say 517 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: that my bedroom office is completely functional, like, yes, it's 518 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: a bedroom, and I do happen to have a pretty 519 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: large bedroom that has like a kind of an alcohol 520 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: to the side, so it feels good. But depending on 521 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: the size of your master suite. I mean, I have 522 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: two screens in here. I've done telehealth for my bedroom 523 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: and it's fine. Oh and my other idea was that 524 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: my three kids are now sleeping in one room. You 525 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: never know, maybe you could put more kids together than 526 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 1: you ever thought possible. It's been going completely fine, like 527 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: their sleep is, if anything, better than it's ever been. 528 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: And now we have this like empty room, which is 529 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: like kind of funny because we didn't we don't even 530 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: have enough bedrooms for everyone in this house. You still 531 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: which my nine year old is now using for like 532 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: telehealth in there, I mean not tell sorry, nine year 533 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: old is doing telehealth now, that's right, yea, yeah, you 534 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: know she's doing her online school in there. So it's 535 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: like a little classroom. That's awesome. But you never know, 536 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: you might be able to shuffle things around more than 537 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: you ever thought possible. All right, well, what's your what's 538 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: your love of the week? Sarah? Well, my love of 539 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: the week, and I think it's because I've been home 540 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: to observe it more than I ever would have been 541 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: previously since I've been in quarantine is my kids teachers, 542 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: because I'm just impressed. Man. I mean, I know how 543 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 1: much energy it takes to talk to a screen for 544 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: hours on end. I do it with patients. I do 545 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: it with like interview days and we're interviewing residency applicants. 546 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 1: But the fact that they do it, like day after 547 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,479 Speaker 1: day after day with kids who are like a group 548 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: of kids, and they keep it light and they keep 549 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: it energetic, I'm just like totally impressed. And I do. 550 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: I feel like this year in particular, like we hit 551 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: the checkpot with first and third grade, and both teachers 552 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: are amazing. They're not even at the same school, but 553 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. They have their different styles, but they're 554 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: both completely effective. And I've just every time I've checked 555 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: in on Anabelle, like the class is like having a 556 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: good time and they're like laughing, but they're learning and 557 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: they're engaged. And Cameron's teacher, let's just say, she's a 558 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: lot more patient with him than I ever and I'm 559 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: just very grateful for that. Yeah, no, that is great. 560 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: You know, we've been doing virtual school this week for 561 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: the older children. Our district went virtual for the week 562 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: after Christmas break, just so if people needed to isolate 563 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: for the week, like it just take that off the 564 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: table for everyone, so, you know, as they do that 565 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: and when they have the hybrid thing, which is what 566 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: they normally do. I mean, the fact that we have 567 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: enough devices now, I mean, it's just such a difference 568 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: from the spring. And I don't know why. In the spring, 569 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: I didn't, like, you know, immediately, I kept thinking they'd 570 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: be going back to school and be like, oh, we're 571 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: only out for two weeks, so we're only out for 572 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: another two weeks, and then you know, eventually it was 573 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: for the rest of the year. But I was like, oh, well, 574 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: we don't want to buy like three more computers for like, 575 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: because it'll only be and then of course this fall, 576 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: this whatever anyway, and we did buy an iPad this summer, 577 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: so we have that. But the school gave everyone devices 578 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: that you know, are then optimized for the lessons they're doing, 579 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: and it's just so much easier than it was in 580 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: the spring, where I was having to shuffle people around 581 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: to different different devices. It's just made every learning so 582 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: much better than it was. So yay for adequate devices, 583 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: all right, Internet? Then yeah, and we also we also 584 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: upgraded that too, which is which is great, although I 585 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: will tell you it cannot handle six people on zoom 586 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: at once. Just you know, we we had that happen 587 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: and no you need like an office building set up. 588 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: I know, we totally did. I was like, well, this 589 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: is when we were recording one time, I was like, 590 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: why is it so slow? Why is Sarah glitching? Like 591 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: what's going on? And it turned out and I think 592 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: it was not only okay, I think not just the 593 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: six of us on you know, video chats simultaneously. I 594 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: think a child or two may have been multitasking with 595 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: a phone at the same time. So it turns out 596 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: that you cannot simultaneously have six people on video chat 597 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: and watch like Star Wars at the same time. So 598 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: there we go. All right, Well, this has been Best 599 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: of Both Worlds episode one eighty talking about Sarah's Quarantine chronicles. 600 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with more on making work 601 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: in life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find 602 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: me Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at the 603 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can find me Laura 604 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the best 605 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: of both worlds podcasts. Please join us next time for 606 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,959 Speaker 1: more on making work and life work together.