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Speaker 2: Hi Saron, Hi Elizabeth. How are you doing pretty well?
Speaker 2: How about you?
Speaker 3: Pretty good? Pretty good? Listen, got a question for you.
Speaker 3: How old?
Speaker 2: How old?
Speaker 3: Just how old?
Speaker 2: Probably eighty three?
Speaker 3: Cool? Do you know it's ridiculous?
Speaker 2: Okay, So imagine you work at Walmarty. You do security, sure,
Speaker 2: and you have to call the police, and you're informing
Speaker 2: to the police that there's this thief who's come back
Speaker 2: to the store. They've been in the store. They've been
Speaker 2: you know, either seen in old previous days or maybe
Speaker 2: even talk to or even apprehended momentarily. But now you're
Speaker 2: calling in to get the police to come and help
Speaker 2: you because this thief just keeps stealing baseball cards, like
Speaker 2: for four days in a row, they keep leaving without
Speaker 2: paying for baseball cards. And then then the police are like, okay,
Speaker 2: can you describe the suspect. You're like, yeah, he's a priest.
Speaker 2: In fact, he's the dean of Trinity Episcopal Cathedral in
Speaker 2: downtown Pittsburgh. Whoa yes, whoa. So apparently the head priest
Speaker 2: for the Episcopalians in Pittsburgh. They have this guy, the
Speaker 2: very Reverend Aiden Smith. He gets arrested February twenty seventh
Speaker 2: of this year after leaving a Walmart and he had
Speaker 2: twenty seven packs of baseball cards. Shoved him to his priest.
Speaker 2: Get up baseball card.
Speaker 3: I mean anyone can be a kleptomania apparently. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he'd stolen over a few days about eleven
Speaker 2: hundred dollars in baseball cards. Yeah. And he was just
Speaker 2: a light fingered priest. And he was like married, had
Speaker 2: a whole family. He wasn't like some fly by night. Look,
Speaker 2: I'm just in the area for a cow.
Speaker 3: No, he was an established member out.
Speaker 2: Of the church. So there you go.
Speaker 3: Never ever see it coming, No, you don't.
Speaker 2: So don't judge the books by them covers. Even the
Speaker 2: cover says the Bible.
Speaker 3: You know what that that's ridiculous, right, that is ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Do you want to know what else is ridiculous?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Please messing up the escape.
Speaker 3: This is Ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,
Speaker 3: and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and
Speaker 3: one hundred percent ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Are you damn right?
Speaker 3: Yep. We do pretty robust and comprehensive research here, like
Speaker 3: We've got Marissa and Jabbari doing some of it, you know,
Speaker 3: good portion, and then the two of us will do
Speaker 3: all by ourselves or we'll add to what Marissa and
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 2: Of reading, a lot of newspapers, dot com.
Speaker 3: A lot of deep dives, a lot of side quests.
Speaker 3: It's super fun and every day. Yeah, of the time,
Speaker 3: the research is pretty straightforward. Each source confirms another, things
Speaker 3: line up. There are official documents to use as a foundation, a.
Speaker 2: Lot of corroborating evidence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then there's the ten percent that I love.
Speaker 3: As I told Marissa recently, I am a sicko. I
Speaker 3: love when the story is a little murky, and I
Speaker 3: really enjoy when people put their spin on something, whether
Speaker 3: the subject makes up their own mythology just for kicks
Speaker 3: or someone else, Like I think it's genetic that toying
Speaker 3: with the truth. Because I really like genealogy. I've researched
Speaker 3: my family and I've learned really interesting things, like stuff
Speaker 3: that didn't get passed down in family lore, great stories.
Speaker 3: And I've looked through a lot of census records and
Speaker 3: I've seen familiar places of birth that line up with
Speaker 3: birth certificates, like California Texas, France, Irish Free state at
Speaker 3: sea on the Pacific, under a French.
Speaker 2: Flag, under a French flag, under.
Speaker 3: A French flag. Then you get to my great grandfather.
Speaker 3: His birth certificate it says he was born in Georgia.
Speaker 3: But when he becomes an.
Speaker 2: Adult, the state, not the country.
Speaker 3: The state, and he's the one who has to answer
Speaker 3: a census taker as to the place of birth. It
Speaker 3: changes every time taker. He talks at every ten years
Speaker 3: when the census rolls through, he comes up with another
Speaker 3: place that he's originally from. So like these are also,
Speaker 3: these are when he's living. These are from upstate New York.
Speaker 3: So you've got a guy with like a thick Southern
Speaker 3: accent telling the government that he was born in New
Speaker 3: York City or Chicago or some other place. And I
Speaker 3: asked family, and they said, oh, he just got a
Speaker 3: kick out a messing with the federal government.
Speaker 2: It is natural.
Speaker 3: Way more is way more interesting. So never let the
Speaker 3: truth get in the way of a good story, they say.
Speaker 3: And I'm a believer in that to an extent.
Speaker 2: Yes, an agent of chaos.
Speaker 3: I am an agent of chaos. I don't cot into
Speaker 3: lying when it matters. No, no, no, I can't stand liars.
Speaker 3: I think that's cowardly, disrespectful, but fudging the truth for entertainments, let's.
Speaker 2: Go fabricators of tall tale.
Speaker 3: Yes, and that's all to say that I have a
Speaker 3: woman today with a complicated history, and as with many criminals,
Speaker 3: her origin story is murky. There are different versions, and
Speaker 3: then when she has the opportunity to tell her own story,
Speaker 3: she plays around with things like, Yeah, she seems to
Speaker 3: enjoy developing a biography that appeals to the masses. So
Speaker 3: a lot of the people, much like the Lady Gopher's story.
Speaker 3: The core is true, so the whole ridiculous crime point
Speaker 3: is undisputed real. It's just how we get there and
Speaker 3: how we fade out that gets squishy.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the essence is what we should be looking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I kind of love that. I have a
Speaker 3: weird respect for these outsiders who create a narrative like this.
Speaker 3: You know, it's generally because they're being exploited, and it's
Speaker 3: like this sneaky way to get some of their power back.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a way to get free.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's thumbing your nose at the establishment. So
Speaker 3: with that caveat in mind, some of the details today
Speaker 3: may be loose. I want to tell you about a
Speaker 3: goal named Pearl Heart. Pearl Heart's Pearl Heart Lady Bandit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so the lawyer, historian, former cop, and nonfiction writer John Bosenecker.
Speaker 3: He wrote a book called Wildcat and told story of
Speaker 3: Pearl Heart, the Wild wests most notorious woman bandit. It's
Speaker 3: a great book. He's an expert on frontier crime in
Speaker 3: law enforcement. And here's his caveat about pearl story quote.
Speaker 3: For a century, newspaper reporters, magazine writers, and historians repeated
Speaker 3: and even invented countless wild tales about her. She was
Speaker 3: the West's first woman stage robber. She was the West's
Speaker 3: last stage robber. She was the daughter of a wealthy
Speaker 3: Canadian family. She was a virtuous schoolgirl in Phoenix. She
Speaker 3: performed with Buffalo Bill Cody's Wild West Show.
Speaker 2: She was a trick shooter. Really, I was going to
Speaker 2: joke about she was a trick shooter. He really was.
Speaker 3: Even her identity has been the subject of controversy. Her
Speaker 3: real name was Missus Frank Hart, Pearl Bandman, Caroline Hartwell,
Speaker 3: Pearl Taylor, Missus E. P. Keel, Missus Earl Lighthawk, and
Speaker 3: Pearl Bywater. She was born in Canada, Ohio, Kansas. Her
Speaker 3: husband was Brett Hart, Frederick Hart, Frank Hart, William Hart,
Speaker 3: James Taylor, Dick Baldwin, Harry Borderman, Joe Boot, and Calvin Bywater.
Speaker 3: But most of that is not true. The tales she
Speaker 3: spun and the Tucson jail have confounded authors, researchers, and
Speaker 3: historians for the last one hundred and twenty years. Though
Speaker 3: Pearl Heart has been featured in hundreds of magazines and
Speaker 3: articles and books, not one of them comes close to
Speaker 3: an accurate depiction of her life.
Speaker 2: Ooh, and you're gonna be the first.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm not gonna be as I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: just shooting in the wind like everybody else. So, as
Speaker 3: I said before, there's not a specifically accurate understanding of
Speaker 3: her life, okay.
Speaker 2: And so while some sources shrouded from fact.
Speaker 3: Yes, some sources contradict each other, but many support a
Speaker 3: loose narrative. And it's a fascinating one. And that's the
Speaker 3: one I'm going to tell you today.
Speaker 2: I love a loose narrative me too.
Speaker 3: So Pearl Pearl Taylor was born in Lindsay, Ontario, Canada,
Speaker 3: eighteen seventy one. Allegendly yeah well, Bosenecker says, her original
Speaker 3: first name was Lily, whatever it's pearl. She had this
Speaker 3: really rough, tumultuous upbringing. Her dad was locked up, so
Speaker 3: she and her siblings had to do whatever it took
Speaker 3: to survive. And she was this beautiful young woman, just
Speaker 3: a wisp of a thing, five feet tall, one hundred pounds,
Speaker 3: soak and wet. She had dark hair, very striking blue eyes.
Speaker 3: Bosenecker describes her childhood as such quote, at eleven years old,
Speaker 3: Lily and her thirteen year old brother William stole a
Speaker 3: cow from a neighboring farm and re sold it before
Speaker 3: they were caught. Lily and her sisters Catherine and Saphronia
Speaker 3: frequently ran away from home, usually to the Western United States.
Speaker 3: They cut their hair short and dressed in men's clothes,
Speaker 3: which helped them fly under the radar. Once they'd been discovered,
Speaker 3: which they always were, the sisters were usually sent back
Speaker 3: to New York, where their mother had moved prior to
Speaker 3: their father's imprisonment for violent crime. One brother, ten year
Speaker 3: old Henry, would take his younger sisters and even their
Speaker 3: toddler brother on his burglaries.
Speaker 2: On his burglary, I'm gonna need a cover family, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: So she had an unusual childhood's a little out there.
Speaker 3: When she was sixteen, she met a guy. He was
Speaker 3: a smooth talker, super handsome. They made a good looking couple.
Speaker 2: Appropriate.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, who knows? Who knows? This guy though? He
Speaker 3: was a gambler, so I'm gonna think he's a little older.
Speaker 2: Ok.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a con man. Home you never had
Speaker 3: or did on this labor. He was a little loose
Speaker 3: with the truth, so he went by either William or
Speaker 3: Brett or Frank, depending on who he was talking to.
Speaker 2: He answered all three.
Speaker 3: But we do know that his last name was hert
Speaker 3: h a Art, and soon enough, shortly after they met,
Speaker 3: that was Pearl's last name too. Oh so they got
Speaker 3: I got married. Here's how Pearl herself told the story
Speaker 3: to Cosmopolitan magazine in eighteen ninety nine.
Speaker 2: I didn't know Cosmopolitano, did.
Speaker 3: I take quote? When I was but sixteen years old,
Speaker 3: and while still at boarding school, I fell in love
Speaker 3: with a man I met in the town in which
Speaker 3: the school was situated. I was easily impressed. I knew
Speaker 3: nothing of life. Marriage was to me but a name.
Speaker 3: It did not take him long to get my consent
Speaker 3: to an elopement. We ran away one night and were married.
Speaker 3: I was happy for a time, but not for long.
Speaker 3: So she goes on to explain that he was violent,
Speaker 3: so she left. But before she did that, she and
Speaker 3: her husband went to the World's Fair in Chicago. Oh. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and he got a gig as a midway barker there.
Speaker 2: Okay, Pearl a Carneye.
Speaker 3: He's a Carnie Pearl who had a kid by this point.
Speaker 3: Soaked up what the fair had to offer and was
Speaker 3: just like captivated by all the cowboy exhibits and demonstrations,
Speaker 3: in particular Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. She saw Annie
Speaker 3: Oakley perform and she was just spellbound. And then she
Speaker 3: went to see speakers at the Women's Fair and something
Speaker 3: clicked in her. She's like, I gotta go West. There
Speaker 3: was a cowboy at the fair who was sweet on her,
Speaker 3: and she used this to her advantage and got cash
Speaker 3: out of him, and she dropped her kid with her
Speaker 3: mom and then took a train to Colorado.
Speaker 2: To go chasing cowboys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she found herself in Trinidad, Colorado, small mining
Speaker 3: town so she got a job as a cook in
Speaker 3: a boarding house, and at night she was a saloon singer.
Speaker 3: According to the Arizona Daily Star, she may have quote
Speaker 3: supplemented her meager wages by providing more provocative services for
Speaker 3: the miners.
Speaker 2: More individualized entertaining.
Speaker 3: That's a great way to put it, the provocative services.
Speaker 2: She provoked me.
Speaker 3: In the eighteen ninety four she went to Arizona Territory.
Speaker 3: She went to Tucson. She worked as a prostitute and
Speaker 3: a cook. There were very few options for women then,
Speaker 3: and even fewer than few in the wild West. In Phoenix,
Speaker 3: she found work as a cook and a maid. In
Speaker 3: eighteen ninety five, her husband came to Arizona begged Pearl
Speaker 3: please take me back, and it seems like they reconcile.
Speaker 2: Her former William Brett Hart.
Speaker 3: Yeah whatever, his name is Hart, for the first time
Speaker 3: in his life, he got an actual steady job, worked
Speaker 3: as a hotel manager.
Speaker 2: It had changed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, life was good. They're happy. They even had another kid,
Speaker 3: and I think the first one was still with Pearl's mom, though, which,
Speaker 3: to be honest, I'm gonna be honest, that was probably
Speaker 3: way for the better. So the couple was working and
Speaker 3: they had a new baby, but they also they wanted
Speaker 3: a party. They hung out at the Saloons all along
Speaker 3: Washington Street in town. They boozed it up. Pearl started
Speaker 3: dabbling in morphine. Oh why not? And then she got
Speaker 3: pregnant again, let's do that.
Speaker 2: That's great into pregnancy.
Speaker 3: So Fred was like, you know what, this is all
Speaker 3: kind of cramping my style. If I'm gonna be honest with.
Speaker 2: You, this is cramping my style.
Speaker 3: Which party he wanted to be solo and free against?
Speaker 3: So he split down. Carney, he well, now this is
Speaker 3: what he did. He joined the army and he got
Speaker 3: assigned to Teddy Roosevelt's rough Riders.
Speaker 2: Oh, he went down to Cuba.
Speaker 3: Off to Cuba fight in the Spanish American War.
Speaker 2: Like later, dude, I got a hill named San Juanda go.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he intended for it to go
Speaker 3: that way or not. Anyway, and was he much of
Speaker 3: a cowboy?
Speaker 2: I mean, those are all guys for their riding skills.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. Okay, So then we get to
Speaker 3: the point of did he go, I'm off to join
Speaker 3: the rough just gonna go? Yeah? So Pearl, there she
Speaker 3: is in Phoenix, she's got two little kids, not a
Speaker 3: lot of options. By this time, her mom had moved
Speaker 3: to Ohio. Now the reasonable thing would be for Pearl
Speaker 3: and her kids to get on a train go to Ohio.
Speaker 3: She could raise her kids live with her mom straight,
Speaker 3: But we don't traffic and reasonable here. No, Pearl put
Speaker 3: her kids on the train to Ohio to go to.
Speaker 2: Her moms good book.
Speaker 3: And then she decided to go out for more adventure
Speaker 3: in the wilds of the western US.
Speaker 2: Okay, she still wants to be a cowgirl like.
Speaker 3: She's got a deeper bliz. Yeah, let's take a break,
Speaker 3: and when we return, I'm going to tell you about
Speaker 3: Pearl's latest hair brain.
Speaker 5: Ideas, Zarah Elizabeth.
Speaker 3: So here we are. It's eighteen ninety nine.
Speaker 2: Gid up.
Speaker 3: Pearl Heart has put her kids on a train to
Speaker 3: go live with her mother in Ohio.
Speaker 2: Bye, when you see grandma, get.
Speaker 3: Off, Yeah, just jump off. When you get you'll see
Speaker 3: it looks familiar. And they're like, we ever been.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, it's fine.
Speaker 3: So then she went up into the Pinel Mountains outside
Speaker 3: Globe Arizona. If you say so, system, Yeah, I actually
Speaker 3: know people in Globe Arizona. Which is so weird reading this.
Speaker 2: Yes, they're just they.
Speaker 3: Just live there. It looks like a cool place, but
Speaker 3: I've not been, but it looks like a cool place,
Speaker 3: like like gently rolling hills and dramatic mountains in the background.
Speaker 2: So it's not like a mining more like agriculture area.
Speaker 3: No, it's a mining it's a mining area. So it's
Speaker 3: like a ways east of Phoenix. And the place names
Speaker 3: around there are amazing. There's six Shooter Canyon, Yes, the
Speaker 3: Superstition Mountains. Oh wow, Tortilla Flat, not the Steinbeck one.
Speaker 2: Okay, top of the World Mountain.
Speaker 3: That's a town town. Yeah, dripping springs. And it's right
Speaker 3: next to the San Carlos Apache Reservation, which in Pearls
Speaker 3: time had been established only twenty or so years.
Speaker 2: It's still fresh.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So out there, she got a job as a
Speaker 3: cook in the mining camps, and so like this hard
Speaker 3: scrabble existence, you know, in this rough place, only made
Speaker 3: her rougher, and so she boozed it up. She smokes cigars,
Speaker 3: you know. She still kind of messed around with morphine
Speaker 3: a little bit of just let off some steam. She'd
Speaker 3: work and then save her money up and then the
Speaker 3: mine would shut down and she'd go looking for another
Speaker 3: one in need of her services. Then she got some
Speaker 3: bad news. Her sister wrote to her somehow like I
Speaker 3: have no idea how you write a letter to someone. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and told her that her mother was in a very
Speaker 3: bad way, wasn't expected to last much longer. So I
Speaker 3: wonder how long did it take for the letter to
Speaker 3: reach her in the middle of nowhere Arizona from Ohio.
Speaker 3: Back then, I feel like her mom may have already
Speaker 3: expired by the time she gets the letter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is she going to be replying or is she
Speaker 2: just going to jump into actually.
Speaker 3: Pearls Besides, she gets this news, she's like, I've got
Speaker 3: to get back to Ohio. Oh my gosh, I have
Speaker 3: kids there too. But she's like, I didn't have the
Speaker 3: money for it. And so she was telling a friend
Speaker 3: all about her problem, a miner by the name of
Speaker 3: Joe Boot, and that's a great old West yes yea.
Speaker 3: So Boot told Pearl that she could go in on
Speaker 3: a mining claim with him, they could work it, and
Speaker 3: then she could get the cash she needed.
Speaker 2: So it was not like an immediacy into Pearl.
Speaker 3: Your mom is deathly ill. I don't think you have
Speaker 3: the time to go and try and get silver.
Speaker 2: Out of the ground.
Speaker 3: You need cash, girl, So she didn't think she had
Speaker 3: any other option, so they went off to mine the land.
Speaker 3: Only the steak was tapped out.
Speaker 2: No, no, nothing.
Speaker 3: So then Boot was like, okay, you know, I have
Speaker 3: another idea. Yeah, this is one that he'd been thinking
Speaker 3: about for a while now, it seems her a long
Speaker 3: time he'd been wanting to start a career in criming.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: He had all these like a variety of criminal money
Speaker 3: making ideas positions. It's a self starting kind of thing.
Speaker 3: They range from like everyday scams to train robbery, and
Speaker 3: Pearl's like, you know what count me in. I did
Speaker 3: this as a kid. It's funny. I have some experience
Speaker 3: on my resume. So she knows the life and she's
Speaker 3: hard boiled, like this is a good fit. So to
Speaker 3: start things off, they did like the old love scam
Speaker 3: where Pearl would lure a guy to her room and
Speaker 3: they'd talk of romance and steamy stuff and then the
Speaker 3: guy would be like warm for her tiny form and
Speaker 3: as soon as they got their Boot would jump out
Speaker 3: and like hit the guy over the head and knock
Speaker 3: him out, and then Pearl and Boot go through his
Speaker 3: pockets and such and take everything he had.
Speaker 2: Oh, they would just jack them.
Speaker 3: They just jump it.
Speaker 2: We're going to blackmail you to your wife.
Speaker 3: No, no, it was very yes, and so this got
Speaker 3: the little bits and bobs here and there. But they
Speaker 3: wanted more, like they wanted a big score. So they
Speaker 3: decided to maybe, I don't know, rob a stage coach.
Speaker 2: That's the next steps more people.
Speaker 3: Per the Arizona Daily Star quote, there's no telling which
Speaker 3: one Pearl or Boot came up with the idea to
Speaker 3: rob a stage coach. But one thing's for sure. Neither
Speaker 3: invested much thought into an escape plan. Oh no, yeah,
Speaker 3: I know how much that annoys you, mister Burnette.
Speaker 2: Always it bothers me too. It's a big part of
Speaker 2: the crime getting away.
Speaker 3: If you're going to go to the effort to break
Speaker 3: the law and take this huge risk, Yes, you simply
Speaker 3: must think it through.
Speaker 2: Yes, that has got to be part of the process.
Speaker 3: From the moment of the crime on is like the
Speaker 3: most important part of plan.
Speaker 2: Imagine if you were a farmer and you like you
Speaker 2: go through all the work of tilling your field, you
Speaker 2: you plan everything, and you're like, oh, harvest, I never thought.
Speaker 2: I thought people would just come out and buy it
Speaker 2: out of the field act.
Speaker 3: So they did. They did some forward planning. They went
Speaker 3: out and got horses.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're gonna need those, and guns, also going to
Speaker 2: need those, and snacks.
Speaker 3: S Pearl got herself an incredible outfit.
Speaker 2: I was wondering.
Speaker 3: She got a wide brimmed hat that in some accounts
Speaker 3: is called a sombrero its own. She had jeans, knee boots.
Speaker 3: You know that there's that kind of like spaghetti western
Speaker 3: hat that's been gentrified by the Coachella Indio festival mom set,
Speaker 3: like the flat brim. I think the new hip hat
Speaker 3: is going to be the sombrero. It's giving desperado, not
Speaker 3: like the comical straw ones, but like felt.
Speaker 2: The felt embroidered. We may already be there.
Speaker 3: I had choices. Isn't too far from a sombrero?
Speaker 2: What you had a choice?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 3: I looked up what they were called, because I didn't
Speaker 3: know the straw lifeguard hat you've seen when I embarrass
Speaker 3: you and wear it outside.
Speaker 2: Yes, why it looks like a cowboy hat that has
Speaker 2: fallen down.
Speaker 3: It's like a wide, downward brim straw. They celebrate the
Speaker 3: beach in like hardware.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like if a cowboy hat can say it's
Speaker 2: too hot.
Speaker 3: I'm tired. Yeah, I got mine at the Oakland Coliseum
Speaker 3: flam of course, usually made Mexico. I love those hats.
Speaker 2: They're a good look.
Speaker 3: And maybe I'll wear one to rob a stagecoat.
Speaker 2: Who's to say, let them know that you were coming.
Speaker 3: In exactly, yeehaw. So Pearl and boot. They left Globe
Speaker 3: in late May eighteen ninety nine, and they made their
Speaker 3: way through Pioneer Pass.
Speaker 2: By the way, can you imagine you wearing like one
Speaker 2: of those straw boaters as opposed to like your straw
Speaker 2: cowboy hat, but like it's a flat brim. It looks
Speaker 2: like you're going to like a political rally in eighteen
Speaker 2: ninety five.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be like in a barbershop court.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly what the armbraces in the bow tie.
Speaker 3: Don't tempt me, don't dare me to these things. So
Speaker 3: they go, Okay, so they're leaving Globe. They went down
Speaker 3: this steep trail that led into Cane Spring Canyon. Okay,
Speaker 3: they like teetered along these sheer cliff sides, picking their
Speaker 3: way gingerly down the trail until they reached their destination, Riverside, Arizona,
Speaker 3: on the Hiela River. Oh yeah, okay, I have to
Speaker 3: say that in doing the Google street view of.
Speaker 2: This area, which is scant to the matter, do they
Speaker 2: send someone to their backpack walking through?
Speaker 3: I get the question that not a whole lot has
Speaker 3: changed since Pearl and Boot were traveling through. Like, there
Speaker 3: aren't a lot of structures. A highway runs through it now,
Speaker 3: but the majority of the land is untouched, and the
Speaker 3: opportunities to see it at street level or few. But
Speaker 3: what you can see is pretty red. So Riverside at
Speaker 3: that time was a settlement. It's not too different now,
Speaker 3: just like a collection of houses and trailers. It's like
Speaker 3: about an hour and a half outside of Phoenix.
Speaker 2: A hamlet of desperation.
Speaker 3: Yes, in eighteen ninety nine, there was a stage coach.
Speaker 2: Stopped there, okay, like a way station.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, population of about fifty which it looks to
Speaker 3: have held steady all the way into twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: So Pearl and Boot they set up camp just outside
Speaker 3: of town, and they watched as the stage coaches passed through,
Speaker 3: and they tracked the various ones for enough days to figure.
Speaker 2: Out the schedule they get the whole rhythm motive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they also saw that it wasn't usually Wells Fargo
Speaker 3: rolling through, and they were relieved because Wells Argo guards
Speaker 3: were legendary at this point for their skills with a shotgun,
Speaker 3: not because like see, stage coach robberies were common for
Speaker 3: a while there. Oh yeah, and the companies had had enough.
Speaker 3: They tightened security and turned up the heat. So by
Speaker 3: eighteen ninety nine there weren't a whole lot of stage
Speaker 3: coach robberies still happened, your Yeah, Wells Fargo worked hard
Speaker 3: on that. Yeah, but these weren't Wells Fargo rigs coming
Speaker 3: through Riverside. So Pearl and Boot they wandered into town
Speaker 3: and tried to act like they belonged. Of course, yeah,
Speaker 3: of course everyone takes note of them. Come on, and
Speaker 3: here's my favorite. One resident heard them arguing. Boot apparently
Speaker 3: said quote, I can never do it, never, never, never.
Speaker 3: Then Pearl said, but you must, we must, and it's easy.
Speaker 3: All you have to do will be to hold your
Speaker 3: gun out straight and keep quiet. I'll do the rest.
Speaker 3: This is a public argument that they have. Yes, it's
Speaker 3: like not the most subtle conversation in a town of.
Speaker 2: Fifty people on the way into town.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. So May thirtieth, eighteen ninety nine, Pearl
Speaker 3: and Boot figured it was time to make their move.
Speaker 3: Everything primed, they saddled up, and they headed to Caine
Speaker 3: Springs Canyon. They planned to intercept the Globe to Florence
Speaker 3: stage coach. Run there.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's like a local yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And they sat in the hot sun for three hours
Speaker 3: waiting for it. Five pm they hear it coming. It's
Speaker 3: go time, nice Zarin, closeure eye. Yes, Oh my god,
Speaker 3: I want you to picture it. It's early evening on
Speaker 3: May thirtieth, eighteen ninety nine, and you are a passenger
Speaker 3: on the Globe to Florence stage coach. Harding is your name.
Speaker 3: You're headed from Globe, where you had some business, back
Speaker 3: to Florence, a county seat, a proper town. You like
Speaker 3: to think. There's a lady in the coach who driving
Speaker 3: you nuts. She won't stop humming some church song. Enough.
Speaker 3: You shouted at her about ten miles into your sixty
Speaker 3: mile journey, but she just stared at you and kept humming.
Speaker 3: As the coach bumps and rocks along the trail, you
Speaker 3: dream of the dinner you're gonna have in Florence a
Speaker 3: nice big steak bottle of wine. You made a lot
Speaker 3: of money and you deserve it. The third passenger is
Speaker 3: an older guy. He's asleep. You look out at the
Speaker 3: Heela River below you. Suddenly, the lady's humming stops. You
Speaker 3: look at her. Her eyes are wide. You turned to
Speaker 3: face forward, peering out the window, following her gaze. The
Speaker 3: coach is now stopped and in front of it are
Speaker 3: two outlaw types. One holds a six shooter, the other
Speaker 3: a Winchester rifle. Both have their weapons fixed on the
Speaker 3: stage coach. One is of average height but looks positively
Speaker 3: enormous compared to the other one. That one is just
Speaker 3: a little thing, maybe five feet tall. Must be a kid.
Speaker 3: Shame to see that. They shout for the driver of
Speaker 3: the passenger to get out.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 3: The taller of the robbers yells out elevate to the
Speaker 3: coach driver. You haven't heard that one before. The humming
Speaker 3: woman gas You reach out and take her hand. You
Speaker 3: tell her that if they do as the outlaws say,
Speaker 3: everything will be okay. She just needs to stay calm
Speaker 3: and don't start that infernal humming again. She shoots you
Speaker 3: a look jam packed with daggers. You worked hard for
Speaker 3: the gold you carry, and you aren't about to let
Speaker 3: those creeps take it from you. You quickly take the
Speaker 3: small leather tobacco pouch full of gold out of your
Speaker 3: breast pocket and shove it into your cheek. You step
Speaker 3: out of the coach and assist the woman, then stepping
Speaker 3: down onto the dirt, The old fella is surprisingly nimble
Speaker 3: as he hops out and faces the robbers. The taller
Speaker 3: one tells you all to get on the ground. You
Speaker 3: all comply. It's still light out, but the birds are
Speaker 3: singing their hearts out in anticipation of the gloaming. In
Speaker 3: this stillness, you hear the faint, sporadic croaking of frogs
Speaker 3: down at the river. The robbers make quick work of
Speaker 3: digging through all your pockets. The old guy squirms a
Speaker 3: little as the smaller robber tries to empty his pants pocket.
Speaker 3: He growls, or I'll plug you. That voice is awfully
Speaker 3: high for a man must be a kid, for sure,
Speaker 3: what's the world coming to? Or wait? Is that a woman?
Speaker 3: You look at the hands, that's always the tell, and
Speaker 3: sure enough they're soft and delicate.
Speaker 6: Hmmm.
Speaker 3: The woman passenger lying next to you in the dirt,
Speaker 3: looks at your face and makes a gesture to her lips.
Speaker 3: Why madam, this isn't the time, you think she points
Speaker 3: at you. You quickly bring your fingers up to your
Speaker 3: mouth and realize what she's on about. The ends of
Speaker 3: the strings and the closure on your tobacco pouch full
Speaker 3: of gold are sticking out of your mouth. You poke
Speaker 3: them back in and wink at her. She rolls her
Speaker 3: eyes and turns her head away from you. This small
Speaker 3: robber tells you to stand up. Each of you rises
Speaker 3: and instinctively brushes the dust from your clothes. The robber
Speaker 3: peels off four one dollar bills. Here, she says, you
Speaker 3: are now convinced this is a woman. She doesn't let
Speaker 3: anyone see her face under the wide brim of her hat,
Speaker 3: but you catch a glimpse of some delicate curls poking
Speaker 3: out above her ear. She hands each of you one dollar,
Speaker 3: tells you so that you can get a meal when
Speaker 3: she gets to Florence. Then the two outlaws scurry off
Speaker 3: into the brush, and shortly thereafter explode out onto the
Speaker 3: trail on horses, headed back towards Low so Zaren. Yes,
Speaker 3: as far as stagecoach holdups go.
Speaker 2: It could have been much worse, totally. I mean, they
Speaker 2: got away better and with more than I thought.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the hall was pretty good. According to True
Speaker 3: West magazine quote from one they took three hundred and
Speaker 3: ninety dollars, his pistol and a gold pocket watch worth
Speaker 3: fifty dollars.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: The stagecoach driver coughed up his six gun and eight dollars,
Speaker 3: but Pearl handed the money back to him. They relieved
Speaker 3: another passenger of thirty dollars. The bandits took forty dollars
Speaker 3: from the other passenger, Harding. However, before climbing out of
Speaker 3: the stage, Harding had slipped into his mouth a tobacco
Speaker 3: pouch holding eighty dollars in gold. A journalist who later
Speaker 3: interviewed the passengers wrote he presented a ludicrous appearance, with
Speaker 3: his cheeks swelled out and the strings of the pouch
Speaker 3: hanging from his lips. The highwaymen failed to notice it, however,
Speaker 3: So that was Baby's first stagecoach robbery. Let's take an
Speaker 3: ad break. When we get back, we're going to follow
Speaker 3: this criminal duo into their next caper.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Zaren, Before the break, I told you I was
Speaker 7: going to fill you in on Pearl.
Speaker 3: And boots next caper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you did well.
Speaker 3: It turns out the caper was just trying to get away. See,
Speaker 3: they scoped out Florence, but they weren't really familiar with
Speaker 3: the area in general, and they got confused. They got lost.
Speaker 2: They obviously didn't have maps.
Speaker 3: They wound their way through this thick brush and by
Speaker 3: this time, like the sheriff and his posse was a
Speaker 3: lookout and they're going through, they're traversing the same scrub
Speaker 3: and hills. The law men knew the land like the
Speaker 3: back of their hands. Pearl and Boot not so much.
Speaker 7: So.
Speaker 3: For a while they were just riding in circles.
Speaker 2: It follow them. They couldn't possibly be And.
Speaker 3: Then when they were finally caught by the posse, it
Speaker 3: wasn't like some standoff on a ridge. There wasn't a
Speaker 3: wild chase into a ravine.
Speaker 2: Nothing through the hills, other woods.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: Pearl and Boot had set up camp and gone to.
Speaker 2: Sleep, napping.
Speaker 3: They were snoozing when the sheriff snuck up and arrested them.
Speaker 3: Like there's no planning.
Speaker 2: Really, they literally got caught sleeping.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pearl tried to put up a fight, but Boot
Speaker 3: was like whatever, puts his hands out.
Speaker 2: To be cuffed with all five pounds of her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so they to the Pima County jail. Boot
Speaker 3: gets taken to the jail in Florence. Pearl immediately turned
Speaker 3: on Boot, but not in a way to pin it
Speaker 3: on it. She just talks smacked like she was complaining
Speaker 3: about what a coward he was. She was to the
Speaker 3: to the sheriff, he ain't making fun of how scared
Speaker 3: he was the whole time. And like so, as you
Speaker 3: could probably guess, the press loved her at the public
Speaker 3: So here's this like cute little twenty eight year old Bandita.
Speaker 3: She's feisty. She wrote a letter to the prosecutor that said, quote,
Speaker 3: I shall not consent to be tried under a law
Speaker 3: which my sex had no voice in making. Oh, they
Speaker 3: take issue with most of her behavior and choices, but
Speaker 3: that is a badass line.
Speaker 2: Totally. I'm with her. She stands on business on that.
Speaker 3: And so of course, like she becomes then a favorite
Speaker 3: of the women's subjects movie and so she's all over
Speaker 3: the papers. Photographers and reporters are camped outside the jail.
Speaker 3: She becomes a national celebrity. She was given autographs. People
Speaker 3: would send her presence, including a bobcat that the prison
Speaker 3: officials let her keep alive.
Speaker 2: Alive, How do you send that in the mail? I
Speaker 2: know they used to send babies on the trains.
Speaker 3: Dropped it off. I think they put a bow on
Speaker 3: its collar and dropped it off.
Speaker 2: You're going to be bored in jail.
Speaker 3: She became known as the bandit Queen, and she yea
Speaker 3: one failed robbery and she was loving the attention. So
Speaker 3: Cosmopolitan Magazine sent two correspondents out to Arizona to conduct
Speaker 3: an in depth interview with her. John Bozenecker wrote quote
Speaker 3: the two correspondents scribbling furiously wrote it all down, oblivious
Speaker 3: to the fact that they were helping create one of
Speaker 3: the most enduring legends of the American frontier. For although
Speaker 3: Pearl Heart was the West's most notorious woman bandit, her
Speaker 3: true story has long been lost in the midst of
Speaker 3: the past. Her personal history is thoroughly obscured by legends,
Speaker 3: many of them created by Pearl herself. So she's got
Speaker 3: these two people hanging on her every word, scribbling everything down.
Speaker 3: So she's just riffing.
Speaker 2: Scenographers for her legend. She's jazzing it.
Speaker 3: Out, totally jazzing it up. And then she also met
Speaker 3: and wooed a fellow inmate at Hogan.
Speaker 2: Yes, get it girl, And she had a request for him.
Speaker 2: What was the request?
Speaker 3: Helped me escape?
Speaker 2: Solid request?
Speaker 3: And he's like, yeah, sure, yeah, so he cut a
Speaker 3: hole in the wall of herself. What did the two
Speaker 3: of them skid.
Speaker 2: Outlets they worked?
Speaker 3: I guess they ran to the train tracks, hopped on
Speaker 3: a freight train, and they made it all the way
Speaker 3: to New Mexico before they got picked up to New Mexico,
Speaker 3: New Mexican, Mexico, Mexico. And when it came time for
Speaker 3: her trial, she had all these excuses and explanations.
Speaker 2: I like that she like fled east. She's like, I'm
Speaker 2: going back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically got I forgot my kids. She went into
Speaker 3: detail about her mom dying and how she wasn't in her.
Speaker 2: Right mind over it, drinking with grief.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was desperate to see her. She would have
Speaker 3: done anything.
Speaker 2: I think I have some kids. I probably need to
Speaker 2: feed back.
Speaker 3: I remember that. Plus, like she in court, she's all
Speaker 3: dulled up and she looks so sweet and innocent, and
Speaker 3: the all male jury acquitted her in less than an hour.
Speaker 2: In less than an hour.
Speaker 3: They're like that pretty little thing. So the judge was livid.
Speaker 2: And thirty minutes later two were asking for dates. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The judge was like, you saw all of this evidence
Speaker 3: and you acquit it? Are you kidding?
Speaker 2: I can't stop you.
Speaker 3: Then he orders her to be tried for stealing the
Speaker 3: coach driver's gun.
Speaker 2: New charges like we got to get her on something.
Speaker 3: Oh, and tampering with the US mail. Throw that in
Speaker 3: there too. Oh, and this is going to be a
Speaker 3: bench trial, new jury.
Speaker 2: Oh, I like it. They put the power vested back in.
Speaker 3: My gass exactly. So he found her guilty and sent
Speaker 3: her to human prison for a five year stretch. Boot
Speaker 3: got thirty years for the robbery. Oh yeah, and he
Speaker 3: only did a fraction of that though, because he was
Speaker 3: on his very best behavior, which got him a trustee gig.
Speaker 3: Oh and they let him drive loads of food and
Speaker 3: supplies to the chain gangs, Like he, you know, pilot
Speaker 3: this wagon out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, they're out there laboring in the sun.
Speaker 3: He shows up with lunch, right, And he did that
Speaker 3: for a while, and then one day he headed out
Speaker 3: and never came back.
Speaker 2: I got law.
Speaker 3: Not so trustworthy and so no one ever heard from
Speaker 3: him again. Yeah, he was successful. Pearl did her bid
Speaker 3: in Yuma. According to the New York Post quote, she
Speaker 3: would serve her sentence as the only female resident among
Speaker 3: two hundred and sixty prisoners at the infamous Yuma Territorial Prison,
Speaker 3: a quote repulsive hellhole on the banks of the Colorado River.
Speaker 2: How did she have her own space in this repulsive
Speaker 2: hell hole? Did wing?
Speaker 3: Or she did? She had her own special cell. But
Speaker 3: she also manipulated herself into as many perks as possible.
Speaker 2: I bet so.
Speaker 3: Unlike everyone else. She can entertain visitors. Yeah, she gave
Speaker 3: newspaper interviews. I'm sure that she was able to accept gifts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whenever slow newsday got by the jail interview corps.
Speaker 3: And then one day she had an announcement. Was she's like,
Speaker 3: hear ye, hear ye. She was pregnant and she was
Speaker 3: only a couple of years into the sentence, and so
Speaker 3: this was going to be an absolute political disaster why
Speaker 3: per True West magazine quote. According to Arizona legend at
Speaker 3: the time, the only two men who'd been alone with
Speaker 3: Pearl were the warden and the territorial governor. After a
Speaker 3: series of telegrams between the capitol and the prison, it
Speaker 3: was decided to release her immediately. Pearl wasn't pregnant, but
Speaker 3: she wasn't dumb either, and cleverly went on her way
Speaker 3: a free woman.
Speaker 2: So she faked being pregnant.
Speaker 3: She faked begnant at.
Speaker 2: The fact that the only two possible people it could
Speaker 2: be was either the governor or the warden.
Speaker 3: The governor partner, and he put in the stipulation though,
Speaker 3: like you have to leave the territory, never come back,
Speaker 3: don't ever come back here. She's like, okay, she goes.
Speaker 3: So she drifted around after that. She didn't write a book,
Speaker 3: but she did the second favorite thing of criminals in
Speaker 3: this era, baby oh Yeah. But her sister wrote a
Speaker 3: play called The Arizona Bandit, so her sister got in.
Speaker 3: It was a cheesy melodrama about the yes and it
Speaker 3: was a major flop. It was terrible.
Speaker 2: I heard, the pacing was slow and the outfits are unimagined.
Speaker 3: She went on to tour the East Coast in shows
Speaker 3: and she would like reenact the hold Up as the
Speaker 3: Girl Bandit. According to True West magazine quote, the plot
Speaker 3: was thin and her career as an actress was brief
Speaker 3: It turned out she was no better at acting than
Speaker 3: planning a getaway from a stagecoach robbery. Fame was fleeting,
Speaker 3: and soon Pearl drifted into anonymity.
Speaker 2: Too long, didn't read she was no Anti Oakley, Right.
Speaker 3: So she did the Vonville circuit for a while. And
Speaker 3: then there are those who report her touring briefly with
Speaker 3: Buffalo bills. Well, yeah, the originator circle. But again it's
Speaker 3: not clear.
Speaker 2: Sure, but she did stand on the same boards as right.
Speaker 3: This is where the trail gets murky again. A story
Speaker 3: pops up that she was running a cigar store in
Speaker 3: Kansas City and that she got pinched for receiving stolen
Speaker 3: goods and running a pickpocket ring there.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can believe it.
Speaker 3: I can believe it. But then there's also the story
Speaker 3: that she was arrested in Kansas City under the name
Speaker 3: of missus L. P. Keel for buying stolen canned goods. Well,
Speaker 3: I could also believe that. American Cowboy magazine reports quote
Speaker 3: some accounts put her in New York, others in San Francisco,
Speaker 3: and many say she returned to the territory to marry
Speaker 3: a rancher whom she lived a peaceful life with into
Speaker 3: her eighties. So depending on what you read, she also
Speaker 3: may have died in San Francisco in nineteen twenty five.
Speaker 2: Okay, which do you do? What you read?
Speaker 3: Well, the peaceful life apparently was with a rancher named
Speaker 3: Calvin Bywater in glow.
Speaker 2: Oh that's whe the bye, she goes right back to Globe.
Speaker 3: But I'm not buying that.
Speaker 2: But Pearl Bywater that's a great name, right.
Speaker 3: Bosenecker said that he thinks she died in nineteen thirty
Speaker 3: four at her daughter's house in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: Oh, so she reunited with the kids.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He said that she's interred at rose Hill Memorial
Speaker 3: Park under her married name, Lily Naomi Myers. Where I
Speaker 3: don't know where he gets at whatever? Okay, so zaren.
Speaker 2: Apparently he did the old shoe leather dec He has a.
Speaker 3: Whole book on what's your ridiculous takeaway?
Speaker 2: I love a murky legend, god, right, And when you
Speaker 2: have a figure who is having as much fun at
Speaker 2: the center of it as her, like, you've won my heart.
Speaker 2: I don't even get if she didn't really hurt anybody.
Speaker 2: So I'm happily over here rooting her exactly. Years later
Speaker 2: or whatever exactly not how many women there are in
Speaker 2: the wild West or the you know, the era of
Speaker 2: the West we've never heard of. But at the time
Speaker 2: they were the banded Queen. They were the like they're
Speaker 2: all hyped and it just didn't take like a legend,
Speaker 2: didn't all. No, what's your ridiculous take away.
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting that she wasn't able to really
Speaker 3: parlay things beyond uh what she did, because she really
Speaker 3: wasn't abandoned. No, it wasn't it botched exactly like hijacking.
Speaker 2: And not a legend. Does this make no?
Speaker 3: But I mean I do love I do love her moxie.
Speaker 3: I love the scams she pulled to get the party. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's clever.
Speaker 2: That is really Bally at work. And I also mean
Speaker 2: it's sad that like she didn't have enough like you know,
Speaker 2: experience to like pull off her ted talk approach to life.
Speaker 2: But like you think she would have like exaggerated some
Speaker 2: and come up with a bunch of like you know,
Speaker 2: there would be a lot to like you know, kind
Speaker 2: of like refue wi.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will. I mean that's the thing that I
Speaker 3: don't know much about her, her kind of vaudeville show
Speaker 3: appearances and re enacting the robbery. But at that point,
Speaker 3: just you know, say like that was one they caught
Speaker 3: me for? But I, yes, exactly see the stage coach.
Speaker 2: Let me.
Speaker 3: You're already not tell the truth about it, So who cares?
Speaker 3: Do you want to hear? Talk back?
Speaker 2: I love them.
Speaker 3: I love a talkback right now?
Speaker 6: Oh my god much, I let you, Hey, ridiculous crime family.
Speaker 6: I want you to close your eyes and picture this.
Speaker 6: You are an eleven year old girl in a small
Speaker 6: town in Texas, and you want to make friends, so
Speaker 6: you learn how to play twenty one. But then you
Speaker 6: learn how to count cards, and soon enough you are
Speaker 6: taking everyone's lunch money. And then someone complains to their
Speaker 6: mom that they don't have lunch money anymore, and so
Speaker 6: you require to give back all the launch money, except
Speaker 6: you don't have it anymore because you've spent all of
Speaker 6: it on Pokemon cards. Also for reference to the yours
Speaker 6: two thousand and two Love you.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so that's better than Pearl Heart, an elementary's
Speaker 3: coke card shop or middle school.
Speaker 2: It is even better.
Speaker 3: Oh that is so good the card county. Yes, well,
Speaker 3: little genius, you're a genius. I love it.
Speaker 2: I am was like, this is my way to make
Speaker 2: friends and make a little extion milk money.
Speaker 3: And then you realize I don't really want to make
Speaker 3: friends with these Yeah, forget it.
Speaker 2: I'm on my own now.
Speaker 3: I love that. That's it for today. You can find
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Speaker 3: Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Duntan and Zaren Burnett,
Speaker 3: produced and edited by HeLa County Sheriff Dave Couston, starring
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