WEBVTT - Thus Spoke the Lady Bandit: Pearl Hart

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi Saron, Hi Elizabeth. How are you doing pretty well?

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<v Speaker 2>How about you?

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty good? Pretty good? Listen, got a question for you.

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<v Speaker 3>How old?

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<v Speaker 2>How old?

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<v Speaker 3>Just how old?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably eighty three?

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<v Speaker 3>Cool? Do you know it's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So imagine you work at Walmarty. You do security, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have to call the police, and you're informing

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<v Speaker 2>to the police that there's this thief who's come back

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<v Speaker 2>to the store. They've been in the store. They've been

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<v Speaker 2>you know, either seen in old previous days or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>even talk to or even apprehended momentarily. But now you're

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<v Speaker 2>calling in to get the police to come and help

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<v Speaker 2>you because this thief just keeps stealing baseball cards, like

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<v Speaker 2>for four days in a row, they keep leaving without

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<v Speaker 2>paying for baseball cards. And then then the police are like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>can you describe the suspect. You're like, yeah, he's a priest.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, he's the dean of Trinity Episcopal Cathedral in

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<v Speaker 2>downtown Pittsburgh. Whoa yes, whoa. So apparently the head priest

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<v Speaker 2>for the Episcopalians in Pittsburgh. They have this guy, the

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<v Speaker 2>very Reverend Aiden Smith. He gets arrested February twenty seventh

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<v Speaker 2>of this year after leaving a Walmart and he had

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven packs of baseball cards. Shoved him to his priest.

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<v Speaker 2>Get up baseball card.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean anyone can be a kleptomania apparently. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So he'd stolen over a few days about eleven

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars in baseball cards. Yeah. And he was just

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<v Speaker 2>a light fingered priest. And he was like married, had

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<v Speaker 2>a whole family. He wasn't like some fly by night. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just in the area for a cow.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he was an established member out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the church. So there you go.

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<v Speaker 3>Never ever see it coming, No, you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>So don't judge the books by them covers. Even the

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<v Speaker 2>cover says the Bible.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what that that's ridiculous, right, that is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you want to know what else is ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>Please messing up the escape.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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<v Speaker 3>and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you damn right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yep. We do pretty robust and comprehensive research here, like

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<v Speaker 3>We've got Marissa and Jabbari doing some of it, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>good portion, and then the two of us will do

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<v Speaker 3>all by ourselves or we'll add to what Marissa and

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<v Speaker 3>a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of reading, a lot of newspapers, dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of deep dives, a lot of side quests.

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<v Speaker 3>It's super fun and every day. Yeah, of the time,

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<v Speaker 3>the research is pretty straightforward. Each source confirms another, things

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<v Speaker 3>line up. There are official documents to use as a foundation, a.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot of corroborating evidence.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then there's the ten percent that I love.

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<v Speaker 3>As I told Marissa recently, I am a sicko. I

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<v Speaker 3>love when the story is a little murky, and I

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<v Speaker 3>really enjoy when people put their spin on something, whether

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<v Speaker 3>the subject makes up their own mythology just for kicks

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<v Speaker 3>or someone else, Like I think it's genetic that toying

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<v Speaker 3>with the truth. Because I really like genealogy. I've researched

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<v Speaker 3>my family and I've learned really interesting things, like stuff

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<v Speaker 3>that didn't get passed down in family lore, great stories.

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<v Speaker 3>And I've looked through a lot of census records and

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen familiar places of birth that line up with

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<v Speaker 3>birth certificates, like California Texas, France, Irish Free state at

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<v Speaker 3>sea on the Pacific, under a French.

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<v Speaker 2>Flag, under a French flag, under.

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<v Speaker 3>A French flag. Then you get to my great grandfather.

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<v Speaker 3>His birth certificate it says he was born in Georgia.

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<v Speaker 3>But when he becomes an.

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<v Speaker 2>Adult, the state, not the country.

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<v Speaker 3>The state, and he's the one who has to answer

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<v Speaker 3>a census taker as to the place of birth. It

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<v Speaker 3>changes every time taker. He talks at every ten years

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<v Speaker 3>when the census rolls through, he comes up with another

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<v Speaker 3>place that he's originally from. So like these are also,

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<v Speaker 3>these are when he's living. These are from upstate New York.

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<v Speaker 3>So you've got a guy with like a thick Southern

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<v Speaker 3>accent telling the government that he was born in New

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<v Speaker 3>York City or Chicago or some other place. And I

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<v Speaker 3>asked family, and they said, oh, he just got a

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<v Speaker 3>kick out a messing with the federal government.

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<v Speaker 2>It is natural.

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<v Speaker 3>Way more is way more interesting. So never let the

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<v Speaker 3>truth get in the way of a good story, they say.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm a believer in that to an extent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, an agent of chaos.

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<v Speaker 3>I am an agent of chaos. I don't cot into

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<v Speaker 3>lying when it matters. No, no, no, I can't stand liars.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's cowardly, disrespectful, but fudging the truth for entertainments, let's.

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<v Speaker 2>Go fabricators of tall tale.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and that's all to say that I have a

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<v Speaker 3>woman today with a complicated history, and as with many criminals,

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<v Speaker 3>her origin story is murky. There are different versions, and

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<v Speaker 3>then when she has the opportunity to tell her own story,

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<v Speaker 3>she plays around with things like, Yeah, she seems to

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<v Speaker 3>enjoy developing a biography that appeals to the masses. So

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of the people, much like the Lady Gopher's story.

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<v Speaker 3>The core is true, so the whole ridiculous crime point

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<v Speaker 3>is undisputed real. It's just how we get there and

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<v Speaker 3>how we fade out that gets squishy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the essence is what we should be looking.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I kind of love that. I have a

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<v Speaker 3>weird respect for these outsiders who create a narrative like this.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's generally because they're being exploited, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>like this sneaky way to get some of their power back.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's a way to get free.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's thumbing your nose at the establishment. So

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<v Speaker 3>with that caveat in mind, some of the details today

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<v Speaker 3>may be loose. I want to tell you about a

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<v Speaker 3>goal named Pearl Heart. Pearl Heart's Pearl Heart Lady Bandit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so the lawyer, historian, former cop, and nonfiction writer John Bosenecker.

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<v Speaker 3>He wrote a book called Wildcat and told story of

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<v Speaker 3>Pearl Heart, the Wild wests most notorious woman bandit. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a great book. He's an expert on frontier crime in

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<v Speaker 3>law enforcement. And here's his caveat about pearl story quote.

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<v Speaker 3>For a century, newspaper reporters, magazine writers, and historians repeated

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<v Speaker 3>and even invented countless wild tales about her. She was

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<v Speaker 3>the West's first woman stage robber. She was the West's

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<v Speaker 3>last stage robber. She was the daughter of a wealthy

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<v Speaker 3>Canadian family. She was a virtuous schoolgirl in Phoenix. She

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<v Speaker 3>performed with Buffalo Bill Cody's Wild West Show.

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<v Speaker 2>She was a trick shooter. Really, I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>joke about she was a trick shooter. He really was.

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<v Speaker 3>Even her identity has been the subject of controversy. Her

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<v Speaker 3>real name was Missus Frank Hart, Pearl Bandman, Caroline Hartwell,

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<v Speaker 3>Pearl Taylor, Missus E. P. Keel, Missus Earl Lighthawk, and

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<v Speaker 3>Pearl Bywater. She was born in Canada, Ohio, Kansas. Her

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<v Speaker 3>husband was Brett Hart, Frederick Hart, Frank Hart, William Hart,

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<v Speaker 3>James Taylor, Dick Baldwin, Harry Borderman, Joe Boot, and Calvin Bywater.

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<v Speaker 3>But most of that is not true. The tales she

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<v Speaker 3>spun and the Tucson jail have confounded authors, researchers, and

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<v Speaker 3>historians for the last one hundred and twenty years. Though

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<v Speaker 3>Pearl Heart has been featured in hundreds of magazines and

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<v Speaker 3>articles and books, not one of them comes close to

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<v Speaker 3>an accurate depiction of her life.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh, and you're gonna be the first.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, I'm not gonna be as I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>just shooting in the wind like everybody else. So, as

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<v Speaker 3>I said before, there's not a specifically accurate understanding of

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<v Speaker 3>her life, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And so while some sources shrouded from fact.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, some sources contradict each other, but many support a

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<v Speaker 3>loose narrative. And it's a fascinating one. And that's the

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<v Speaker 3>one I'm going to tell you today.

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<v Speaker 2>I love a loose narrative me too.

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<v Speaker 3>So Pearl Pearl Taylor was born in Lindsay, Ontario, Canada,

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen seventy one. Allegendly yeah well, Bosenecker says, her original

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<v Speaker 3>first name was Lily, whatever it's pearl. She had this

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<v Speaker 3>really rough, tumultuous upbringing. Her dad was locked up, so

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<v Speaker 3>she and her siblings had to do whatever it took

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<v Speaker 3>to survive. And she was this beautiful young woman, just

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<v Speaker 3>a wisp of a thing, five feet tall, one hundred pounds,

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<v Speaker 3>soak and wet. She had dark hair, very striking blue eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>Bosenecker describes her childhood as such quote, at eleven years old,

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<v Speaker 3>Lily and her thirteen year old brother William stole a

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<v Speaker 3>cow from a neighboring farm and re sold it before

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<v Speaker 3>they were caught. Lily and her sisters Catherine and Saphronia

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<v Speaker 3>frequently ran away from home, usually to the Western United States.

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<v Speaker 3>They cut their hair short and dressed in men's clothes,

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<v Speaker 3>which helped them fly under the radar. Once they'd been discovered,

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<v Speaker 3>which they always were, the sisters were usually sent back

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<v Speaker 3>to New York, where their mother had moved prior to

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<v Speaker 3>their father's imprisonment for violent crime. One brother, ten year

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<v Speaker 3>old Henry, would take his younger sisters and even their

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<v Speaker 3>toddler brother on his burglaries.

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<v Speaker 2>On his burglary, I'm gonna need a cover family, Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So she had an unusual childhood's a little out there.

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<v Speaker 3>When she was sixteen, she met a guy. He was

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<v Speaker 3>a smooth talker, super handsome. They made a good looking couple.

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<v Speaker 2>Appropriate.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh yeah, who knows? Who knows? This guy though? He

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<v Speaker 3>was a gambler, so I'm gonna think he's a little older.

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<v Speaker 2>Ok.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was a con man. Home you never had

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<v Speaker 3>or did on this labor. He was a little loose

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<v Speaker 3>with the truth, so he went by either William or

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<v Speaker 3>Brett or Frank, depending on who he was talking to.

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<v Speaker 2>He answered all three.

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<v Speaker 3>But we do know that his last name was hert

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<v Speaker 3>h a Art, and soon enough, shortly after they met,

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<v Speaker 3>that was Pearl's last name too. Oh so they got

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<v Speaker 3>I got married. Here's how Pearl herself told the story

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<v Speaker 3>to Cosmopolitan magazine in eighteen ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know Cosmopolitano, did.

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<v Speaker 3>I take quote? When I was but sixteen years old,

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<v Speaker 3>and while still at boarding school, I fell in love

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<v Speaker 3>with a man I met in the town in which

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<v Speaker 3>the school was situated. I was easily impressed. I knew

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<v Speaker 3>nothing of life. Marriage was to me but a name.

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<v Speaker 3>It did not take him long to get my consent

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<v Speaker 3>to an elopement. We ran away one night and were married.

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<v Speaker 3>I was happy for a time, but not for long.

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<v Speaker 3>So she goes on to explain that he was violent,

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<v Speaker 3>so she left. But before she did that, she and

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<v Speaker 3>her husband went to the World's Fair in Chicago. Oh. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and he got a gig as a midway barker there.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Pearl a Carneye.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a Carnie Pearl who had a kid by this point.

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<v Speaker 3>Soaked up what the fair had to offer and was

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<v Speaker 3>just like captivated by all the cowboy exhibits and demonstrations,

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<v Speaker 3>in particular Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. She saw Annie

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<v Speaker 3>Oakley perform and she was just spellbound. And then she

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<v Speaker 3>went to see speakers at the Women's Fair and something

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<v Speaker 3>clicked in her. She's like, I gotta go West. There

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<v Speaker 3>was a cowboy at the fair who was sweet on her,

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<v Speaker 3>and she used this to her advantage and got cash

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<v Speaker 3>out of him, and she dropped her kid with her

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<v Speaker 3>mom and then took a train to Colorado.

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<v Speaker 2>To go chasing cowboys.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and she found herself in Trinidad, Colorado, small mining

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<v Speaker 3>town so she got a job as a cook in

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<v Speaker 3>a boarding house, and at night she was a saloon singer.

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<v Speaker 3>According to the Arizona Daily Star, she may have quote

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<v Speaker 3>supplemented her meager wages by providing more provocative services for

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<v Speaker 3>the miners.

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<v Speaker 2>More individualized entertaining.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great way to put it, the provocative services.

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<v Speaker 2>She provoked me.

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<v Speaker 3>In the eighteen ninety four she went to Arizona Territory.

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<v Speaker 3>She went to Tucson. She worked as a prostitute and

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<v Speaker 3>a cook. There were very few options for women then,

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<v Speaker 3>and even fewer than few in the wild West. In Phoenix,

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<v Speaker 3>she found work as a cook and a maid. In

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen ninety five, her husband came to Arizona begged Pearl

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<v Speaker 3>please take me back, and it seems like they reconcile.

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<v Speaker 2>Her former William Brett Hart.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah whatever, his name is Hart, for the first time

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<v Speaker 3>in his life, he got an actual steady job, worked

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<v Speaker 3>as a hotel manager.

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<v Speaker 2>It had changed.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, life was good. They're happy. They even had another kid,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think the first one was still with Pearl's mom, though, which,

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<v Speaker 3>to be honest, I'm gonna be honest, that was probably

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<v Speaker 3>way for the better. So the couple was working and

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<v Speaker 3>they had a new baby, but they also they wanted

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<v Speaker 3>a party. They hung out at the Saloons all along

0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.520
<v Speaker 3>Washington Street in town. They boozed it up. Pearl started

0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:57.240
<v Speaker 3>dabbling in morphine. Oh why not? And then she got

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<v Speaker 3>pregnant again, let's do that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great into pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 3>So Fred was like, you know what, this is all

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<v Speaker 3>kind of cramping my style. If I'm gonna be honest with.

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<v Speaker 2>You, this is cramping my style.

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<v Speaker 3>Which party he wanted to be solo and free against?

0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.360
<v Speaker 3>So he split down. Carney, he well, now this is

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<v Speaker 3>what he did. He joined the army and he got

0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.080
<v Speaker 3>assigned to Teddy Roosevelt's rough Riders.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, he went down to Cuba.

0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.720
<v Speaker 3>Off to Cuba fight in the Spanish American War.

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<v Speaker 2>Like later, dude, I got a hill named San Juanda go.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if he intended for it to go

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<v Speaker 3>that way or not. Anyway, and was he much of

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<v Speaker 3>a cowboy?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, those are all guys for their riding skills.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think so. Okay, So then we get to

0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:39.200
<v Speaker 3>the point of did he go, I'm off to join

0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:45.120
<v Speaker 3>the rough just gonna go? Yeah? So Pearl, there she

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<v Speaker 3>is in Phoenix, she's got two little kids, not a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of options. By this time, her mom had moved

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<v Speaker 3>to Ohio. Now the reasonable thing would be for Pearl

0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.600
<v Speaker 3>and her kids to get on a train go to Ohio.

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<v Speaker 3>She could raise her kids live with her mom straight,

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<v Speaker 3>But we don't traffic and reasonable here. No, Pearl put

0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.559
<v Speaker 3>her kids on the train to Ohio to go to.

0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Her moms good book.

0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.920
<v Speaker 3>And then she decided to go out for more adventure

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<v Speaker 3>in the wilds of the western US.

0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:16.319
<v Speaker 2>Okay, she still wants to be a cowgirl like.

0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:19.520
<v Speaker 3>She's got a deeper bliz. Yeah, let's take a break,

0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:21.720
<v Speaker 3>and when we return, I'm going to tell you about

0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:23.360
<v Speaker 3>Pearl's latest hair brain.

0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:45.560
<v Speaker 5>Ideas, Zarah Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 3>So here we are. It's eighteen ninety nine.

0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:49.160
<v Speaker 2>Gid up.

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<v Speaker 3>Pearl Heart has put her kids on a train to

0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:54.080
<v Speaker 3>go live with her mother in Ohio.

0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Bye, when you see grandma, get.

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<v Speaker 3>Off, Yeah, just jump off. When you get you'll see

0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.320
<v Speaker 3>it looks familiar. And they're like, we ever been.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't matter, it's fine.

0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:05.880
<v Speaker 3>So then she went up into the Pinel Mountains outside

0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:09.560
<v Speaker 3>Globe Arizona. If you say so, system, Yeah, I actually

0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.920
<v Speaker 3>know people in Globe Arizona. Which is so weird reading this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they're just they.

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<v Speaker 3>Just live there. It looks like a cool place, but

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<v Speaker 3>I've not been, but it looks like a cool place,

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<v Speaker 3>like like gently rolling hills and dramatic mountains in the background.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not like a mining more like agriculture area.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's a mining it's a mining area. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>like a ways east of Phoenix. And the place names

0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:39.760
<v Speaker 3>around there are amazing. There's six Shooter Canyon, Yes, the

0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:44.200
<v Speaker 3>Superstition Mountains. Oh wow, Tortilla Flat, not the Steinbeck one.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, top of the World Mountain.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a town town. Yeah, dripping springs. And it's right

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<v Speaker 3>next to the San Carlos Apache Reservation, which in Pearls

0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:00.280
<v Speaker 3>time had been established only twenty or so years.

0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:01.320
<v Speaker 2>It's still fresh.

0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So out there, she got a job as a

0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.040
<v Speaker 3>cook in the mining camps, and so like this hard

0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:11.000
<v Speaker 3>scrabble existence, you know, in this rough place, only made

0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:15.720
<v Speaker 3>her rougher, and so she boozed it up. She smokes cigars,

0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.080
<v Speaker 3>you know. She still kind of messed around with morphine

0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:22.520
<v Speaker 3>a little bit of just let off some steam. She'd

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<v Speaker 3>work and then save her money up and then the

0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.640
<v Speaker 3>mine would shut down and she'd go looking for another

0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.080
<v Speaker 3>one in need of her services. Then she got some

0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:34.040
<v Speaker 3>bad news. Her sister wrote to her somehow like I

0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:39.160
<v Speaker 3>have no idea how you write a letter to someone. Yeah, yeah,

0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.280
<v Speaker 3>and told her that her mother was in a very

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<v Speaker 3>bad way, wasn't expected to last much longer. So I

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<v Speaker 3>wonder how long did it take for the letter to

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<v Speaker 3>reach her in the middle of nowhere Arizona from Ohio.

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<v Speaker 3>Back then, I feel like her mom may have already

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<v Speaker 3>expired by the time she gets the letter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, is she going to be replying or is she

0:16:57.720 --> 0:16:59.120
<v Speaker 2>just going to jump into actually.

0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.480
<v Speaker 3>Pearls Besides, she gets this news, she's like, I've got

0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:04.600
<v Speaker 3>to get back to Ohio. Oh my gosh, I have

0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.840
<v Speaker 3>kids there too. But she's like, I didn't have the

0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.439
<v Speaker 3>money for it. And so she was telling a friend

0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:12.760
<v Speaker 3>all about her problem, a miner by the name of

0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:16.600
<v Speaker 3>Joe Boot, and that's a great old West yes yea.

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<v Speaker 3>So Boot told Pearl that she could go in on

0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:22.359
<v Speaker 3>a mining claim with him, they could work it, and

0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.119
<v Speaker 3>then she could get the cash she needed.

0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.399
<v Speaker 2>So it was not like an immediacy into Pearl.

0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:29.600
<v Speaker 3>Your mom is deathly ill. I don't think you have

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<v Speaker 3>the time to go and try and get silver.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of the ground.

0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:36.280
<v Speaker 3>You need cash, girl, So she didn't think she had

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<v Speaker 3>any other option, so they went off to mine the land.

0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:42.199
<v Speaker 3>Only the steak was tapped out.

0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:43.840
<v Speaker 2>No, no, nothing.

0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.600
<v Speaker 3>So then Boot was like, okay, you know, I have

0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:50.639
<v Speaker 3>another idea. Yeah, this is one that he'd been thinking

0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.960
<v Speaker 3>about for a while now, it seems her a long

0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:57.280
<v Speaker 3>time he'd been wanting to start a career in criming.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>He had all these like a variety of criminal money

0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:06.280
<v Speaker 3>making ideas positions. It's a self starting kind of thing.

0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:10.399
<v Speaker 3>They range from like everyday scams to train robbery, and

0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:13.240
<v Speaker 3>Pearl's like, you know what count me in. I did

0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:16.720
<v Speaker 3>this as a kid. It's funny. I have some experience

0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:20.440
<v Speaker 3>on my resume. So she knows the life and she's

0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:23.320
<v Speaker 3>hard boiled, like this is a good fit. So to

0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:25.679
<v Speaker 3>start things off, they did like the old love scam

0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.639
<v Speaker 3>where Pearl would lure a guy to her room and

0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:32.040
<v Speaker 3>they'd talk of romance and steamy stuff and then the

0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.879
<v Speaker 3>guy would be like warm for her tiny form and

0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.040
<v Speaker 3>as soon as they got their Boot would jump out

0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:38.600
<v Speaker 3>and like hit the guy over the head and knock

0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.080
<v Speaker 3>him out, and then Pearl and Boot go through his

0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:42.960
<v Speaker 3>pockets and such and take everything he had.

0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh, they would just jack them.

0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:44.879
<v Speaker 3>They just jump it.

0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:46.840
<v Speaker 2>We're going to blackmail you to your wife.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, it was very yes, and so this got

0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.000
<v Speaker 3>the little bits and bobs here and there. But they

0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.680
<v Speaker 3>wanted more, like they wanted a big score. So they

0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.359
<v Speaker 3>decided to maybe, I don't know, rob a stage coach.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the next steps more people.

0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:05.840
<v Speaker 3>Per the Arizona Daily Star quote, there's no telling which

0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.720
<v Speaker 3>one Pearl or Boot came up with the idea to

0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:12.000
<v Speaker 3>rob a stage coach. But one thing's for sure. Neither

0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:16.320
<v Speaker 3>invested much thought into an escape plan. Oh no, yeah,

0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:18.720
<v Speaker 3>I know how much that annoys you, mister Burnette.

0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:21.399
<v Speaker 2>Always it bothers me too. It's a big part of

0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:22.600
<v Speaker 2>the crime getting away.

0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:26.480
<v Speaker 3>If you're going to go to the effort to break

0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:29.080
<v Speaker 3>the law and take this huge risk, Yes, you simply

0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:30.400
<v Speaker 3>must think it through.

0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that has got to be part of the process.

0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:34.720
<v Speaker 3>From the moment of the crime on is like the

0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:36.320
<v Speaker 3>most important part of plan.

0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Imagine if you were a farmer and you like you

0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.480
<v Speaker 2>go through all the work of tilling your field, you

0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:45.200
<v Speaker 2>you plan everything, and you're like, oh, harvest, I never thought.

0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:46.760
<v Speaker 2>I thought people would just come out and buy it

0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:48.320
<v Speaker 2>out of the field act.

0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:53.440
<v Speaker 3>So they did. They did some forward planning. They went

0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:54.480
<v Speaker 3>out and got horses.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you're gonna need those, and guns, also going to

0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:00.000
<v Speaker 2>need those, and snacks.

0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.040
<v Speaker 3>S Pearl got herself an incredible outfit.

0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:02.919
<v Speaker 2>I was wondering.

0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:05.760
<v Speaker 3>She got a wide brimmed hat that in some accounts

0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:09.760
<v Speaker 3>is called a sombrero its own. She had jeans, knee boots.

0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:12.880
<v Speaker 3>You know that there's that kind of like spaghetti western

0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:17.960
<v Speaker 3>hat that's been gentrified by the Coachella Indio festival mom set,

0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:21.920
<v Speaker 3>like the flat brim. I think the new hip hat

0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:24.800
<v Speaker 3>is going to be the sombrero. It's giving desperado, not

0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:27.280
<v Speaker 3>like the comical straw ones, but like felt.

0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.480
<v Speaker 2>The felt embroidered. We may already be there.

0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:31.640
<v Speaker 3>I had choices. Isn't too far from a sombrero?

0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:32.639
<v Speaker 2>What you had a choice?

0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:32.760
<v Speaker 6>Well?

0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:34.400
<v Speaker 3>I looked up what they were called, because I didn't

0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.840
<v Speaker 3>know the straw lifeguard hat you've seen when I embarrass

0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:38.840
<v Speaker 3>you and wear it outside.

0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:41.159
<v Speaker 2>Yes, why it looks like a cowboy hat that has

0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:41.800
<v Speaker 2>fallen down.

0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.199
<v Speaker 3>It's like a wide, downward brim straw. They celebrate the

0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:47.240
<v Speaker 3>beach in like hardware.

0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like if a cowboy hat can say it's

0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:49.800
<v Speaker 2>too hot.

0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:52.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm tired. Yeah, I got mine at the Oakland Coliseum

0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:56.479
<v Speaker 3>flam of course, usually made Mexico. I love those hats.

0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:57.560
<v Speaker 2>They're a good look.

0:20:57.680 --> 0:20:59.560
<v Speaker 3>And maybe I'll wear one to rob a stagecoat.

0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:02.880
<v Speaker 2>Who's to say, let them know that you were coming.

0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:07.400
<v Speaker 3>In exactly, yeehaw. So Pearl and boot. They left Globe

0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:10.720
<v Speaker 3>in late May eighteen ninety nine, and they made their

0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:12.240
<v Speaker 3>way through Pioneer Pass.

0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:14.439
<v Speaker 2>By the way, can you imagine you wearing like one

0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.240
<v Speaker 2>of those straw boaters as opposed to like your straw

0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:19.840
<v Speaker 2>cowboy hat, but like it's a flat brim. It looks

0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:22.040
<v Speaker 2>like you're going to like a political rally in eighteen

0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:22.680
<v Speaker 2>ninety five.

0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:25.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to be like in a barbershop court.

0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly what the armbraces in the bow tie.

0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:31.000
<v Speaker 3>Don't tempt me, don't dare me to these things. So

0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:33.840
<v Speaker 3>they go, Okay, so they're leaving Globe. They went down

0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:37.919
<v Speaker 3>this steep trail that led into Cane Spring Canyon. Okay,

0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:41.280
<v Speaker 3>they like teetered along these sheer cliff sides, picking their

0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:46.640
<v Speaker 3>way gingerly down the trail until they reached their destination, Riverside, Arizona,

0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:49.679
<v Speaker 3>on the Hiela River. Oh yeah, okay, I have to

0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:51.840
<v Speaker 3>say that in doing the Google street view of.

0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:56.639
<v Speaker 2>This area, which is scant to the matter, do they

0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:58.800
<v Speaker 2>send someone to their backpack walking through?

0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:01.440
<v Speaker 3>I get the question that not a whole lot has

0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:04.400
<v Speaker 3>changed since Pearl and Boot were traveling through. Like, there

0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:07.560
<v Speaker 3>aren't a lot of structures. A highway runs through it now,

0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:10.840
<v Speaker 3>but the majority of the land is untouched, and the

0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:14.040
<v Speaker 3>opportunities to see it at street level or few. But

0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:17.199
<v Speaker 3>what you can see is pretty red. So Riverside at

0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:20.160
<v Speaker 3>that time was a settlement. It's not too different now,

0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:22.920
<v Speaker 3>just like a collection of houses and trailers. It's like

0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:25.240
<v Speaker 3>about an hour and a half outside of Phoenix.

0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:26.240
<v Speaker 2>A hamlet of desperation.

0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:29.840
<v Speaker 3>Yes, in eighteen ninety nine, there was a stage coach.

0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Stopped there, okay, like a way station.

0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:37.959
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, population of about fifty which it looks to

0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:40.280
<v Speaker 3>have held steady all the way into twenty twenty six.

0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:43.920
<v Speaker 3>So Pearl and Boot they set up camp just outside

0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:46.960
<v Speaker 3>of town, and they watched as the stage coaches passed through,

0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:52.280
<v Speaker 3>and they tracked the various ones for enough days to figure.

0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Out the schedule they get the whole rhythm motive.

0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:57.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they also saw that it wasn't usually Wells Fargo

0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:00.760
<v Speaker 3>rolling through, and they were relieved because Wells Argo guards

0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:04.960
<v Speaker 3>were legendary at this point for their skills with a shotgun,

0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:09.760
<v Speaker 3>not because like see, stage coach robberies were common for

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:13.040
<v Speaker 3>a while there. Oh yeah, and the companies had had enough.

0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:16.120
<v Speaker 3>They tightened security and turned up the heat. So by

0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:18.840
<v Speaker 3>eighteen ninety nine there weren't a whole lot of stage

0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:23.320
<v Speaker 3>coach robberies still happened, your Yeah, Wells Fargo worked hard

0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:26.760
<v Speaker 3>on that. Yeah, but these weren't Wells Fargo rigs coming

0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:30.240
<v Speaker 3>through Riverside. So Pearl and Boot they wandered into town

0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:35.040
<v Speaker 3>and tried to act like they belonged. Of course, yeah,

0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:37.720
<v Speaker 3>of course everyone takes note of them. Come on, and

0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:42.760
<v Speaker 3>here's my favorite. One resident heard them arguing. Boot apparently

0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:46.280
<v Speaker 3>said quote, I can never do it, never, never, never.

0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:50.480
<v Speaker 3>Then Pearl said, but you must, we must, and it's easy.

0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:53.000
<v Speaker 3>All you have to do will be to hold your

0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:55.560
<v Speaker 3>gun out straight and keep quiet. I'll do the rest.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a public argument that they have. Yes, it's

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<v Speaker 3>like not the most subtle conversation in a town of.

0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Fifty people on the way into town.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. So May thirtieth, eighteen ninety nine, Pearl

0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:11.040
<v Speaker 3>and Boot figured it was time to make their move.

0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:15.359
<v Speaker 3>Everything primed, they saddled up, and they headed to Caine

0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:20.160
<v Speaker 3>Springs Canyon. They planned to intercept the Globe to Florence

0:24:20.359 --> 0:24:21.520
<v Speaker 3>stage coach. Run there.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's like a local yeah yeah.

0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:25.840
<v Speaker 3>And they sat in the hot sun for three hours

0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:28.920
<v Speaker 3>waiting for it. Five pm they hear it coming. It's

0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:33.840
<v Speaker 3>go time, nice Zarin, closeure eye. Yes, Oh my god,

0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:42.919
<v Speaker 3>I want you to picture it. It's early evening on

0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:46.879
<v Speaker 3>May thirtieth, eighteen ninety nine, and you are a passenger

0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:50.920
<v Speaker 3>on the Globe to Florence stage coach. Harding is your name.

0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:54.200
<v Speaker 3>You're headed from Globe, where you had some business, back

0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:57.639
<v Speaker 3>to Florence, a county seat, a proper town. You like

0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:00.399
<v Speaker 3>to think. There's a lady in the coach who driving

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:04.760
<v Speaker 3>you nuts. She won't stop humming some church song. Enough.

0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:07.919
<v Speaker 3>You shouted at her about ten miles into your sixty

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:10.639
<v Speaker 3>mile journey, but she just stared at you and kept humming.

0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:14.119
<v Speaker 3>As the coach bumps and rocks along the trail, you

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:17.320
<v Speaker 3>dream of the dinner you're gonna have in Florence a

0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:20.720
<v Speaker 3>nice big steak bottle of wine. You made a lot

0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:23.800
<v Speaker 3>of money and you deserve it. The third passenger is

0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:26.879
<v Speaker 3>an older guy. He's asleep. You look out at the

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:30.960
<v Speaker 3>Heela River below you. Suddenly, the lady's humming stops. You

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 3>look at her. Her eyes are wide. You turned to

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:37.439
<v Speaker 3>face forward, peering out the window, following her gaze. The

0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 3>coach is now stopped and in front of it are

0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:43.359
<v Speaker 3>two outlaw types. One holds a six shooter, the other

0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:47.080
<v Speaker 3>a Winchester rifle. Both have their weapons fixed on the

0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:50.679
<v Speaker 3>stage coach. One is of average height but looks positively

0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:53.520
<v Speaker 3>enormous compared to the other one. That one is just

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:56.560
<v Speaker 3>a little thing, maybe five feet tall. Must be a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Shame to see that. They shout for the driver of

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<v Speaker 3>the passenger to get out.

0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:01.480
<v Speaker 6>Well.

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:05.040
<v Speaker 3>The taller of the robbers yells out elevate to the

0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:08.280
<v Speaker 3>coach driver. You haven't heard that one before. The humming

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:11.879
<v Speaker 3>woman gas You reach out and take her hand. You

0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:14.720
<v Speaker 3>tell her that if they do as the outlaws say,

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 3>everything will be okay. She just needs to stay calm

0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:21.800
<v Speaker 3>and don't start that infernal humming again. She shoots you

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:25.199
<v Speaker 3>a look jam packed with daggers. You worked hard for

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:27.359
<v Speaker 3>the gold you carry, and you aren't about to let

0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:29.960
<v Speaker 3>those creeps take it from you. You quickly take the

0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 3>small leather tobacco pouch full of gold out of your

0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 3>breast pocket and shove it into your cheek. You step

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:38.200
<v Speaker 3>out of the coach and assist the woman, then stepping

0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:41.840
<v Speaker 3>down onto the dirt, The old fella is surprisingly nimble

0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:44.399
<v Speaker 3>as he hops out and faces the robbers. The taller

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:46.720
<v Speaker 3>one tells you all to get on the ground. You

0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 3>all comply. It's still light out, but the birds are

0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:52.960
<v Speaker 3>singing their hearts out in anticipation of the gloaming. In

0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:56.320
<v Speaker 3>this stillness, you hear the faint, sporadic croaking of frogs

0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:59.199
<v Speaker 3>down at the river. The robbers make quick work of

0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:02.320
<v Speaker 3>digging through all your pockets. The old guy squirms a

0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:06.440
<v Speaker 3>little as the smaller robber tries to empty his pants pocket.

0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:10.480
<v Speaker 3>He growls, or I'll plug you. That voice is awfully

0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:13.159
<v Speaker 3>high for a man must be a kid, for sure,

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:17.199
<v Speaker 3>what's the world coming to? Or wait? Is that a woman?

0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 3>You look at the hands, that's always the tell, and

0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 3>sure enough they're soft and delicate.

0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:23.320
<v Speaker 6>Hmmm.

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:26.600
<v Speaker 3>The woman passenger lying next to you in the dirt,

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:29.119
<v Speaker 3>looks at your face and makes a gesture to her lips.

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 3>Why madam, this isn't the time, you think she points

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:35.159
<v Speaker 3>at you. You quickly bring your fingers up to your

0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:38.040
<v Speaker 3>mouth and realize what she's on about. The ends of

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:40.680
<v Speaker 3>the strings and the closure on your tobacco pouch full

0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:43.120
<v Speaker 3>of gold are sticking out of your mouth. You poke

0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:45.399
<v Speaker 3>them back in and wink at her. She rolls her

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:47.840
<v Speaker 3>eyes and turns her head away from you. This small

0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:50.840
<v Speaker 3>robber tells you to stand up. Each of you rises

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:54.359
<v Speaker 3>and instinctively brushes the dust from your clothes. The robber

0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:58.879
<v Speaker 3>peels off four one dollar bills. Here, she says, you

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:02.040
<v Speaker 3>are now convinced this is a woman. She doesn't let

0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:04.400
<v Speaker 3>anyone see her face under the wide brim of her hat,

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:07.040
<v Speaker 3>but you catch a glimpse of some delicate curls poking

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:10.720
<v Speaker 3>out above her ear. She hands each of you one dollar,

0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:12.880
<v Speaker 3>tells you so that you can get a meal when

0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:15.639
<v Speaker 3>she gets to Florence. Then the two outlaws scurry off

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:19.000
<v Speaker 3>into the brush, and shortly thereafter explode out onto the

0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:23.560
<v Speaker 3>trail on horses, headed back towards Low so Zaren. Yes,

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:26.199
<v Speaker 3>as far as stagecoach holdups go.

0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 2>It could have been much worse, totally. I mean, they

0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:30.880
<v Speaker 2>got away better and with more than I thought.

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, the hall was pretty good. According to True

0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:36.600
<v Speaker 3>West magazine quote from one they took three hundred and

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:39.840
<v Speaker 3>ninety dollars, his pistol and a gold pocket watch worth

0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 3>fifty dollars.

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 3>The stagecoach driver coughed up his six gun and eight dollars,

0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 3>but Pearl handed the money back to him. They relieved

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 3>another passenger of thirty dollars. The bandits took forty dollars

0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 3>from the other passenger, Harding. However, before climbing out of

0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 3>the stage, Harding had slipped into his mouth a tobacco

0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 3>pouch holding eighty dollars in gold. A journalist who later

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:05.640
<v Speaker 3>interviewed the passengers wrote he presented a ludicrous appearance, with

0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:08.480
<v Speaker 3>his cheeks swelled out and the strings of the pouch

0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 3>hanging from his lips. The highwaymen failed to notice it, however,

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 3>So that was Baby's first stagecoach robbery. Let's take an

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 3>ad break. When we get back, we're going to follow

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 3>this criminal duo into their next caper.

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Zaren, Before the break, I told you I was

0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 7>going to fill you in on Pearl.

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 3>And boots next caper.

0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:50.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you did well.

0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 3>It turns out the caper was just trying to get away. See,

0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:59.239
<v Speaker 3>they scoped out Florence, but they weren't really familiar with

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:03.479
<v Speaker 3>the area in general, and they got confused. They got lost.

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 2>They obviously didn't have maps.

0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 3>They wound their way through this thick brush and by

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 3>this time, like the sheriff and his posse was a

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:14.080
<v Speaker 3>lookout and they're going through, they're traversing the same scrub

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:17.280
<v Speaker 3>and hills. The law men knew the land like the

0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:20.640
<v Speaker 3>back of their hands. Pearl and Boot not so much.

0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:20.840
<v Speaker 7>So.

0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:25.240
<v Speaker 3>For a while they were just riding in circles.

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:29.000
<v Speaker 2>It follow them. They couldn't possibly be And.

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 3>Then when they were finally caught by the posse, it

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 3>wasn't like some standoff on a ridge. There wasn't a

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 3>wild chase into a ravine.

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Nothing through the hills, other woods.

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:37.800
<v Speaker 4>No.

0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:40.400
<v Speaker 3>Pearl and Boot had set up camp and gone to.

0:30:40.360 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Sleep, napping.

0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:46.000
<v Speaker 3>They were snoozing when the sheriff snuck up and arrested them.

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 3>Like there's no planning.

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Really, they literally got caught sleeping.

0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Pearl tried to put up a fight, but Boot

0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:54.680
<v Speaker 3>was like whatever, puts his hands out.

0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 2>To be cuffed with all five pounds of her.

0:30:58.440 --> 0:31:02.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and so they to the Pima County jail. Boot

0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:07.800
<v Speaker 3>gets taken to the jail in Florence. Pearl immediately turned

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:11.080
<v Speaker 3>on Boot, but not in a way to pin it

0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 3>on it. She just talks smacked like she was complaining

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:17.719
<v Speaker 3>about what a coward he was. She was to the

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:21.680
<v Speaker 3>to the sheriff, he ain't making fun of how scared

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 3>he was the whole time. And like so, as you

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:30.120
<v Speaker 3>could probably guess, the press loved her at the public

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:33.880
<v Speaker 3>So here's this like cute little twenty eight year old Bandita.

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 3>She's feisty. She wrote a letter to the prosecutor that said, quote,

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:42.520
<v Speaker 3>I shall not consent to be tried under a law

0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 3>which my sex had no voice in making. Oh, they

0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:50.719
<v Speaker 3>take issue with most of her behavior and choices, but

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 3>that is a badass line.

0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Totally. I'm with her. She stands on business on that.

0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 3>And so of course, like she becomes then a favorite

0:31:57.080 --> 0:32:02.160
<v Speaker 3>of the women's subjects movie and so she's all over

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 3>the papers. Photographers and reporters are camped outside the jail.

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:10.720
<v Speaker 3>She becomes a national celebrity. She was given autographs. People

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 3>would send her presence, including a bobcat that the prison

0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 3>officials let her keep alive.

0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Alive, How do you send that in the mail? I

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 2>know they used to send babies on the trains.

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:24.120
<v Speaker 3>Dropped it off. I think they put a bow on

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 3>its collar and dropped it off.

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:27.320
<v Speaker 2>You're going to be bored in jail.

0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 3>She became known as the bandit Queen, and she yea

0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:36.000
<v Speaker 3>one failed robbery and she was loving the attention. So

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 3>Cosmopolitan Magazine sent two correspondents out to Arizona to conduct

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 3>an in depth interview with her. John Bozenecker wrote quote

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:50.720
<v Speaker 3>the two correspondents scribbling furiously wrote it all down, oblivious

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 3>to the fact that they were helping create one of

0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 3>the most enduring legends of the American frontier. For although

0:32:56.520 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 3>Pearl Heart was the West's most notorious woman bandit, her

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:03.160
<v Speaker 3>true story has long been lost in the midst of

0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:07.320
<v Speaker 3>the past. Her personal history is thoroughly obscured by legends,

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 3>many of them created by Pearl herself. So she's got

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:14.840
<v Speaker 3>these two people hanging on her every word, scribbling everything down.

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 3>So she's just riffing.

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Scenographers for her legend. She's jazzing it.

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:21.920
<v Speaker 3>Out, totally jazzing it up. And then she also met

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:24.320
<v Speaker 3>and wooed a fellow inmate at Hogan.

0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, get it girl, And she had a request for him.

0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:27.680
<v Speaker 2>What was the request?

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 3>Helped me escape?

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:30.120
<v Speaker 2>Solid request?

0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:34.240
<v Speaker 3>And he's like, yeah, sure, yeah, so he cut a

0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:36.360
<v Speaker 3>hole in the wall of herself. What did the two

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:37.280
<v Speaker 3>of them skid.

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Outlets they worked?

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 3>I guess they ran to the train tracks, hopped on

0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 3>a freight train, and they made it all the way

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:47.640
<v Speaker 3>to New Mexico before they got picked up to New Mexico,

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:51.480
<v Speaker 3>New Mexican, Mexico, Mexico. And when it came time for

0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 3>her trial, she had all these excuses and explanations.

0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:56.480
<v Speaker 2>I like that she like fled east. She's like, I'm

0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 2>going back.

0:33:57.160 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, basically got I forgot my kids. She went into

0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:04.560
<v Speaker 3>detail about her mom dying and how she wasn't in her.

0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 2>Right mind over it, drinking with grief.

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:08.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she was desperate to see her. She would have

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:09.560
<v Speaker 3>done anything.

0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:11.360
<v Speaker 2>I think I have some kids. I probably need to

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:11.839
<v Speaker 2>feed back.

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:15.279
<v Speaker 3>I remember that. Plus, like she in court, she's all

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:18.959
<v Speaker 3>dulled up and she looks so sweet and innocent, and

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:22.279
<v Speaker 3>the all male jury acquitted her in less than an hour.

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:23.760
<v Speaker 2>In less than an hour.

0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:27.440
<v Speaker 3>They're like that pretty little thing. So the judge was livid.

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:29.680
<v Speaker 2>And thirty minutes later two were asking for dates. Yeah.

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:32.000
<v Speaker 3>The judge was like, you saw all of this evidence

0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:34.280
<v Speaker 3>and you acquit it? Are you kidding?

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:35.279
<v Speaker 2>I can't stop you.

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:38.200
<v Speaker 3>Then he orders her to be tried for stealing the

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:39.440
<v Speaker 3>coach driver's gun.

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:41.280
<v Speaker 2>New charges like we got to get her on something.

0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:44.279
<v Speaker 3>Oh, and tampering with the US mail. Throw that in

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:47.279
<v Speaker 3>there too. Oh, and this is going to be a

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:48.440
<v Speaker 3>bench trial, new jury.

0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:51.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I like it. They put the power vested back in.

0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 3>My gass exactly. So he found her guilty and sent

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 3>her to human prison for a five year stretch. Boot

0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 3>got thirty years for the robbery. Oh yeah, and he

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:03.960
<v Speaker 3>only did a fraction of that though, because he was

0:35:03.960 --> 0:35:06.919
<v Speaker 3>on his very best behavior, which got him a trustee gig.

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:10.200
<v Speaker 3>Oh and they let him drive loads of food and

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:14.080
<v Speaker 3>supplies to the chain gangs, Like he, you know, pilot

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<v Speaker 3>this wagon out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure, they're out there laboring in the sun.

0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 3>He shows up with lunch, right, And he did that

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:21.480
<v Speaker 3>for a while, and then one day he headed out

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:22.359
<v Speaker 3>and never came back.

0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 2>I got law.

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 3>Not so trustworthy and so no one ever heard from

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:31.000
<v Speaker 3>him again. Yeah, he was successful. Pearl did her bid

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 3>in Yuma. According to the New York Post quote, she

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<v Speaker 3>would serve her sentence as the only female resident among

0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:41.680
<v Speaker 3>two hundred and sixty prisoners at the infamous Yuma Territorial Prison,

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 3>a quote repulsive hellhole on the banks of the Colorado River.

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:47.880
<v Speaker 2>How did she have her own space in this repulsive

0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:49.279
<v Speaker 2>hell hole? Did wing?

0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 3>Or she did? She had her own special cell. But

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 3>she also manipulated herself into as many perks as possible.

0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 2>I bet so.

0:35:57.239 --> 0:36:03.359
<v Speaker 3>Unlike everyone else. She can entertain visitors. Yeah, she gave

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:06.960
<v Speaker 3>newspaper interviews. I'm sure that she was able to accept gifts.

0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, whenever slow newsday got by the jail interview corps.

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:13.719
<v Speaker 3>And then one day she had an announcement. Was she's like,

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:18.359
<v Speaker 3>hear ye, hear ye. She was pregnant and she was

0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:20.759
<v Speaker 3>only a couple of years into the sentence, and so

0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:24.520
<v Speaker 3>this was going to be an absolute political disaster why

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<v Speaker 3>per True West magazine quote. According to Arizona legend at

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<v Speaker 3>the time, the only two men who'd been alone with

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 3>Pearl were the warden and the territorial governor. After a

0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 3>series of telegrams between the capitol and the prison, it

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:44.799
<v Speaker 3>was decided to release her immediately. Pearl wasn't pregnant, but

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:47.439
<v Speaker 3>she wasn't dumb either, and cleverly went on her way

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:48.160
<v Speaker 3>a free woman.

0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:50.200
<v Speaker 2>So she faked being pregnant.

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 3>She faked begnant at.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that the only two possible people it could

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<v Speaker 2>be was either the governor or the warden.

0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:59.120
<v Speaker 3>The governor partner, and he put in the stipulation though,

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<v Speaker 3>like you have to leave the territory, never come back,

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 3>don't ever come back here. She's like, okay, she goes.

0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 3>So she drifted around after that. She didn't write a book,

0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 3>but she did the second favorite thing of criminals in

0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:18.799
<v Speaker 3>this era, baby oh Yeah. But her sister wrote a

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:22.360
<v Speaker 3>play called The Arizona Bandit, so her sister got in.

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 3>It was a cheesy melodrama about the yes and it

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:30.840
<v Speaker 3>was a major flop. It was terrible.

0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 2>I heard, the pacing was slow and the outfits are unimagined.

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.480
<v Speaker 3>She went on to tour the East Coast in shows

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:41.080
<v Speaker 3>and she would like reenact the hold Up as the

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:45.480
<v Speaker 3>Girl Bandit. According to True West magazine quote, the plot

0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:48.480
<v Speaker 3>was thin and her career as an actress was brief

0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 3>It turned out she was no better at acting than

0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:55.240
<v Speaker 3>planning a getaway from a stagecoach robbery. Fame was fleeting,

0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:58.560
<v Speaker 3>and soon Pearl drifted into anonymity.

0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Too long, didn't read she was no Anti Oakley, Right.

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:04.120
<v Speaker 3>So she did the Vonville circuit for a while. And

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:07.319
<v Speaker 3>then there are those who report her touring briefly with

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:13.399
<v Speaker 3>Buffalo bills. Well, yeah, the originator circle. But again it's

0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:15.080
<v Speaker 3>not clear.

0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Sure, but she did stand on the same boards as right.

0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:22.080
<v Speaker 3>This is where the trail gets murky again. A story

0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:24.880
<v Speaker 3>pops up that she was running a cigar store in

0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:28.680
<v Speaker 3>Kansas City and that she got pinched for receiving stolen

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 3>goods and running a pickpocket ring there.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I can believe it.

0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:35.520
<v Speaker 3>I can believe it. But then there's also the story

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:38.000
<v Speaker 3>that she was arrested in Kansas City under the name

0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:42.920
<v Speaker 3>of missus L. P. Keel for buying stolen canned goods. Well,

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:47.960
<v Speaker 3>I could also believe that. American Cowboy magazine reports quote

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:51.959
<v Speaker 3>some accounts put her in New York, others in San Francisco,

0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 3>and many say she returned to the territory to marry

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:58.280
<v Speaker 3>a rancher whom she lived a peaceful life with into

0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:02.400
<v Speaker 3>her eighties. So depending on what you read, she also

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:04.759
<v Speaker 3>may have died in San Francisco in nineteen twenty five.

0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:06.759
<v Speaker 2>Okay, which do you do? What you read?

0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:10.800
<v Speaker 3>Well, the peaceful life apparently was with a rancher named

0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:12.600
<v Speaker 3>Calvin Bywater in glow.

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's whe the bye, she goes right back to Globe.

0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:16.319
<v Speaker 3>But I'm not buying that.

0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:19.200
<v Speaker 2>But Pearl Bywater that's a great name, right.

0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:23.160
<v Speaker 3>Bosenecker said that he thinks she died in nineteen thirty

0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:26.440
<v Speaker 3>four at her daughter's house in Los Angeles.

0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh, so she reunited with the kids.

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. He said that she's interred at rose Hill Memorial

0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:36.680
<v Speaker 3>Park under her married name, Lily Naomi Myers. Where I

0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:39.680
<v Speaker 3>don't know where he gets at whatever? Okay, so zaren.

0:39:39.600 --> 0:39:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Apparently he did the old shoe leather dec He has a.

0:39:44.200 --> 0:39:47.320
<v Speaker 3>Whole book on what's your ridiculous takeaway?

0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:50.360
<v Speaker 2>I love a murky legend, god, right, And when you

0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 2>have a figure who is having as much fun at

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:55.560
<v Speaker 2>the center of it as her, like, you've won my heart.

0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:57.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't even get if she didn't really hurt anybody.

0:39:57.480 --> 0:40:02.640
<v Speaker 2>So I'm happily over here rooting her exactly. Years later

0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:07.080
<v Speaker 2>or whatever exactly not how many women there are in

0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 2>the wild West or the you know, the era of

0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:12.400
<v Speaker 2>the West we've never heard of. But at the time

0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:15.960
<v Speaker 2>they were the banded Queen. They were the like they're

0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:18.360
<v Speaker 2>all hyped and it just didn't take like a legend,

0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:21.759
<v Speaker 2>didn't all. No, what's your ridiculous take away.

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:24.240
<v Speaker 3>I think it's interesting that she wasn't able to really

0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:28.720
<v Speaker 3>parlay things beyond uh what she did, because she really

0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:34.000
<v Speaker 3>wasn't abandoned. No, it wasn't it botched exactly like hijacking.

0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:36.560
<v Speaker 2>And not a legend. Does this make no?

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 3>But I mean I do love I do love her moxie.

0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 3>I love the scams she pulled to get the party. Yes,

0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 3>that's clever.

0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:46.799
<v Speaker 2>That is really Bally at work. And I also mean

0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 2>it's sad that like she didn't have enough like you know,

0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:52.439
<v Speaker 2>experience to like pull off her ted talk approach to life.

0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:55.719
<v Speaker 2>But like you think she would have like exaggerated some

0:40:55.840 --> 0:40:57.480
<v Speaker 2>and come up with a bunch of like you know,

0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:59.239
<v Speaker 2>there would be a lot to like you know, kind

0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:00.600
<v Speaker 2>of like refue wi.

0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:02.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I will. I mean that's the thing that I

0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:07.080
<v Speaker 3>don't know much about her, her kind of vaudeville show

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:10.880
<v Speaker 3>appearances and re enacting the robbery. But at that point,

0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 3>just you know, say like that was one they caught

0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:16.319
<v Speaker 3>me for? But I, yes, exactly see the stage coach.

0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Let me.

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<v Speaker 3>You're already not tell the truth about it, So who cares?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you want to hear? Talk back?

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<v Speaker 2>I love them.

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<v Speaker 3>I love a talkback right now?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh my god much, I let you, Hey, ridiculous crime family.

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<v Speaker 6>I want you to close your eyes and picture this.

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<v Speaker 6>You are an eleven year old girl in a small

0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:47.759
<v Speaker 6>town in Texas, and you want to make friends, so

0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.239
<v Speaker 6>you learn how to play twenty one. But then you

0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:52.680
<v Speaker 6>learn how to count cards, and soon enough you are

0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 6>taking everyone's lunch money. And then someone complains to their

0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:59.319
<v Speaker 6>mom that they don't have lunch money anymore, and so

0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 6>you require to give back all the launch money, except

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:04.080
<v Speaker 6>you don't have it anymore because you've spent all of

0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:06.959
<v Speaker 6>it on Pokemon cards. Also for reference to the yours

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<v Speaker 6>two thousand and two Love you.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, so that's better than Pearl Heart, an elementary's

0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 3>coke card shop or middle school.

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<v Speaker 2>It is even better.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that is so good the card county. Yes, well,

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<v Speaker 3>little genius, you're a genius. I love it.

0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:25.120
<v Speaker 2>I am was like, this is my way to make

0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:27.480
<v Speaker 2>friends and make a little extion milk money.

0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:28.839
<v Speaker 3>And then you realize I don't really want to make

0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:31.400
<v Speaker 3>friends with these Yeah, forget it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on my own now.

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