WEBVTT - Well For My Soul 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:07.440 You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast. Hi, 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:10.360 welcome back to another episode of What in the Winkler. Today, 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:14.080 I have two incredible women joining me as guests, and 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:17.720 I know them personally and I work with one of 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.960 them as my healer. I've talked about her before on 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:24.240 this podcast. Her name is Jackie Leonardini. She's a clairvoyant, 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:27.920 an energy healer, and a certified soul coach. Casey Crown, 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:32.320 her partner, is a trans personal psychotherapist, consultant, wellness educator, 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.879 and activist. Her work challenges old mental health paradigms and 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.839 suggests that true wellbeing lies in our ability to balance 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:43.360 scientific and spiritual perspectives. They have created something called the 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.640 Well Soul Workshop. I've gone twice and it's changed my life. 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:49.240 Let's let them in, Okay, So I just want to 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:50.479 thank you guys for being here. 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:52.440 Awesome. 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:55.240 I have talked about Jackie many times on this podcast. 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:58.080 I work with her once a. 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:02.640 Week and Kate See is her partner in Welsaull Workshop. 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:06.760 She's also, as I said earlier, an incredible, incredible therapist 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:12.360 and human being and friend, and I begged her to 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.080 be my therapist, but that would be beyond inappropriate. 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:20.080 So instead every time I see her, I just corner her. 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:26.000 But I wanted you guys first of all. I want 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.959 to talk about Welsoul Workshop and what it did for 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.319 me as a human being, and what it has done 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:35.520 for so many of my friends, and how you guys 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:40.160 came up with the idea before we jump into everything else. 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:44.080 Katie, why didn't you jump in and tell the origin 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.640 story of our partnership. 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:53.160 Yeah, so thank you for having us, Zoe. Thank you 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.120 for so fun to be here with you. I got 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:57.760 to be with you this weekend. I'm going to get 0:01:57.760 --> 0:01:59.920 to be with you next weekend. So I feel like 0:01:59.920 --> 0:02:06.279 I'm getting a lot of Zoe right now. Exciting and Yeah. 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.840 So we started well Soul. This is our eighth year 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:19.000 facilitating workshops, which is crazy. And we came together probably 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:23.639 ten years ago doing some work. I actually had Jackie 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:27.400 du A reading for me. She was referred by a friend, 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.480 and we both knew kind of pretty quickly that we 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:35.639 would be working together at some point. While I am 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:39.119 a therapist and my kind of clinical work is in 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:43.880 the treatment of trauma, especially, my background is actually also 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:48.160 an energy medicine and the study of consciousness, and so 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:52.840 there was a lot of overlap in our kind of approach, 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:59.640 and so we came together, you know, just working in 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:04.880 a personal way for quite a while, and then I 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.120 began to refer clients who I had been working with 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.799 in my practice to Jackie to do a little bit, 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:16.280 do kind of a deeper dive into the energetic component. 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:21.280 And we began to find that there was this kind 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:24.360 of magic happening with the clients that we were working 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:28.840 with together, you know, even though we would see them separately, 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:33.680 there was this kind of integration that was occurring in 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:39.800 combining our two modalities that we found really impactful and thought, Okay, 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:45.200 I think we have something here. Let's try workshops, see 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:46.920 how it goes. See if we can't kind of put 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:53.600 a curriculum together that Mary's integrative Psychology, interpersonal neurobiology and 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:58.520 energy medicine, and see what emerges from that experience. And 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.480 you know, of course, as is the case often when 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.480 you start any programming, it was all kind of like 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:10.760 friends and family at those first two workshops, and it 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:14.160 gave us a chance to refine our curriculum and really 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:18.400 kind of work with people and see what worked and 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.520 what didn't and now here we are eight years later. 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:27.160 We have a pretty kind of robust curriculum that is 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:31.760 our flagship workshop. We've gone on to develop a second 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:36.560 curriculum as well that's focused very specifically on the topic 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:40.679 of judgment and coming into balance around our relationship to judgment. 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:47.640 But yeah, we love it. I mean, I think Jackie 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:51.960 and I both have really full private practices, and you know, 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.600 we love working one on one with clients. But there's 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:58.160 something really really special and magical about getting a group 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:01.640 of people together with a shared intention and to grow 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:09.279 and to heal and to be vulnerable. And there's just 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:13.000 a magic that happens in the room at Walsall. And 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:17.240 you know, Friday night, when people arrived, they're terrified, usually 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:23.240 especially if they've never been so, but by Sunday, everybody's like, 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:27.640 you know, there's a real kind of camaraderie and energy 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:29.440 that's moved through the group. 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.640 And so yeah, it's a really special experience. 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:36.040 I went in twenty nineteen and then again last year, 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:42.680 and it was the difference between the two times was 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:46.640 so interesting because it felt like the first time I 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:50.000 was so nervous. I'd never meditated before, I'd never gotten 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.839 into my own body before, and I've talked about that, 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:57.560 I've struggled with anxiety my entire life. And I was 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.640 so like, I just kept saying, I'm never going to 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:02.159 be able to do this. 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:03.440 I'm never going to be able to do this. 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:08.000 And then by Sunday, I felt like I didn't even 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:09.599 want to go home, you know, like I mean, I 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.880 wanted to go home, but I was so I felt 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:17.440 so safe and so good and emotional in all the things. 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:18.159 And it was hard. 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:22.920 But and the second time, I felt much more ready 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.800 to sort of begin the journey, and I felt much 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:27.919 I just felt like, oh, I can do this, and 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:28.919 this is what it looks like. 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.560 Well, you know, it's fun having you at Walthol the 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:38.360 first time, but you know, the energy that you bring 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:41.920 in the room is always like bubbly and full of humor. 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:46.720 And I think, you know, when we're facing our shadow work, 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:48.880 which is what we ask people to do when they 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:52.680 come to Walsol, which sounds like it's really daunting, actually 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:54.680 we have we have a lot of fun doing it, 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:59.400 like looking at ourselves from this neutral place of saying 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:03.240 I want to be aware of who I am entirely 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.840 the wholeness of me so that I can feel comfortable 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:12.640 and trust that I'm on this journey to evolve. 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:16.200 So there is no judgment, there's just it is what 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:16.600 it is. 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:22.440 Where our anxieties, our fears are, you know, our trauma 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:26.440 that we've experienced in our life all can be transformed 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:32.000 or transmuted into this tremendous amount of growth, clarity and 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:37.640 actually allow us to find that center within ourselves again 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:41.480 to where being embodied, we're not cringing all the time 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:45.080 or white neffling it through life because we're like, oh, okay, 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:48.720 you know, things are supposed to be bumpy, and when 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:50.720 I hit the bump, I have a tool. I know 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.840 what to do, and I think you know what I 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:58.800 love about sharing well Soul weekends with people is that 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.680 Casey and I get an opera unity to practice along 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:05.120 with you, so you know, we're there to share tools 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.000 that help us navigate. 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.520 The stress of life just in general, and or. 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:17.440 Any type of hardship or pain that we experience doesn't 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:21.920 have to destroy us. It can actually expand us if 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:26.760 we feel equipped within ourselves too through you know. And 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.680 the neat thing about when Casey and I came together 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:35.320 is We're both very spiritual within a divine practice. You know, 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:41.960 spirit means energy, divinity is love, and it is that's 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.520 where the healings found. And so I think we make 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:49.280 a real point of that at Walsall, and that creates 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:53.360 a safe environment for people to come and open up, 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.720 you know, and use humor. The humor is key because 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:58.400 you know, you hear us say. 0:08:58.280 --> 0:08:58.800 All the time. 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:02.760 You know, if you can what is it? I'd rather 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:06.280 be amused than abused, right, So if I can find 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:08.120 that amusement even in. 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.160 The darkest hour, it will lead me through it. And 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.080 I think that's really key. 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:15.480 I think. 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.760 Well, So Casey and I met actually the first day 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:20.720 of baby group with our oldest children. 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:22.120 Oh my god, are. 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:26.080 You sure you want to tell this story? 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.199 Casey told the story. I really I can't wait. 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:34.160 During the fires, we evacuated to o Hi and Casey 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.800 lives in Ohi, and so I went. We saw her 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.640 and she was telling the story about the first time 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.640 we met. That was like, that was so it was 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.480 just like it was so me, just like on any. 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.000 Day, but she was so she was like, what is 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:48.559 this being? 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:49.079 Who is this? 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:50.840 I'm gonna tell it? 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:53.480 I told her I'd never met her kind before. 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:58.200 I was walking back to the room with Deborah, our friend, Deborah, 0:09:58.280 --> 0:09:59.800 we have a mutual friend, and I was like, it's 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:01.840 so interesting, like it made an impact on her because 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:05.000 that was just like that in the life. 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:08.440 Of Zoe Winkler. Oh my god. I mean it was 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:12.760 so funny, Like, you know, I show up to baby 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:16.880 group and I'm walking down the street with my baby 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:22.640 and Zoe gets out of her car. I see her, like, 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:24.880 I don't know her. She sees that I have a baby, 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.080 so she must think we're going to the same baby group. 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.120 We've never met, I've never seen her life. 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.679 Never met, and she just gets out of the car 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:35.360 and she's like looks at me and may have even 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:40.840 grabbed me like physically and was like the baby right 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:46.000 all the way from Burley Hills to Santa Monica. He 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.679 didn't take a breath, and like she she just like 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:53.200 goes on in this kind of like hilarious, sort of 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:56.600 hysterical like explanation of her drive. 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:59.040 And also who was in the car with me? Who 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.800 was baby shatters in the vaccine. 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:05.000 I'm like, dude, he was like. 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:06.000 No, no, no, no, no. 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:08.439 I was like, what is going on with this? Lady. 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:11.920 So anyway, we go to baby group. Needless to say, 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:15.680 it was my first and last baby group. I never 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:17.600 came back, and it was not because of you, Zoe, 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:23.320 but I then we met years later because our kids 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:27.360 went to school together and and it's you know, she's amazing. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:28.400 I love you. 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:29.120 I love you. 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.520 You're so funny. And and by the way, like I 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:35.520 just want to say, you know, kind of you know, 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:37.560 just in reference to what you were saying about your 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:42.640 two different weal soul experiences, like when you first came 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:48.360 to Wealsaul, like I think one of the things that 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.280 happens when we haven't done and you had been in 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:55.319 therapy before, Like it wasn't like your first rodeo in 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:59.120 terms of like doing inner work, but it was. It's 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:01.800 a different kind of inner work that we do out. Also, 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:05.800 it's not traditional psychotherapy. There's not you know, we don't 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:10.040 follow a traditional method. And I think like the most 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.960 important thing that we like to kind of like tell 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.600 people and to help break the ice is like like 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.320 who you are is okay, and like in all of 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:22.160 its messiness and in all of its chaos and all 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.720 of right, like the biggest, the scariest hurdle that I 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.640 think all of us have to overcome when we start 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.520 to do inner work is we have to kind of 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.319 break agreements with the lie that like something is wrong 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:36.120 with us, like that we're fundamentally problematic in some way. 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:41.160 And most of us, until we've done inner work, have 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.760 a lot of shame, right, and we have a lot 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.640 of stories that we're constantly kind of circulating. And I 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.160 think oftentimes when people come to wel So for the 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:53.240 first time, that first workshop is just like about, oh, 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.080 like I have permission to accept myself for who I am, 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.040 Like I can work on all of this shit for 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:03.079 you know ever, and I will, but like I can't 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:05.840 even begin to work on it until I can kind 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:12.320 of break through this initial like just judgment, judgment and 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:14.920 move into this space of self love where I go like, Okay, 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.319 here I am in all of my messiness and like 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:20.040 all of my history. 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:23.080 And also how many times judgment comes in without even 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:26.480 knowing that it's judgment, like with sometimes you know you, 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:30.200 and that is what has helped me so much, and 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.120 with well souls also, like I was, I've been in 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.880 therapy since I was seven years old, so I mean 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:35.720 I'm forty four. 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:36.800 That's a long time. 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:37.600 And I was. 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:39.800 I was, and it was and it was amazing and 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.880 it was a privilege and I'm so lucky and I'm 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:44.920 so grateful to my parents that they were like, oh, 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:48.760 something's going on, but I wouldn't come out from the 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.319 table after the earthquake. They were like, huh, she should 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:56.199 talk to someone. But I, you know it, it didn't 0:13:56.240 --> 0:14:00.920 really give me the toolbox I needed because it wasn't 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.600 stuff that we could talk about it and talk about 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.520 it and talk about it. But it wasn't until I 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:11.360 found you two. And you you know, I means as friends, 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:19.280 but also as you know, as fill energy workers, facilitators, whatever, doctors. 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.320 I mean that I could actually have a toolbox that 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:24.280 I could do. And I have a notes app in 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.520 my phone and I write down the thing so that 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:29.560 when I'm feeling like just sort of like I'm about 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.880 to get out of my body kind of and I'm 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.320 going to just let all my energy go, I try 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:35.320 to just call it back. 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:37.000 And there are these things. 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:40.040 And it's funny because I was actually able to tell 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.280 my dad because one of the things that you guys 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:46.520 teach us is that if you're just feeling completely like fragmented. 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.040 Just say your name three times, and it doesn't have 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:50.600 to be out loud. It could be quiet, it could 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.600 be in your head, but kind of calling your energy back. 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:55.120 And I know that I have a lot of listeners 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:58.200 that are not in LA and that are not that 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:03.000 this might I said, you know, this might sound confusing 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:06.880 or silly, but it's. 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.280 So just try it. 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.920 And so when my dad he has anxiety too, and 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:11.400 so I said to him, like, just say your name 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.040 three times. Say your name three times, And he said 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.520 that now he does that sometimes, like when he gets 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:18.240 like really you know. So I thought that that was 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.120 such an amazing thing and that was just one of 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.360 the thousands of tools that you guys have kind of 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:27.040 given me and given so many people that get the 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:28.160 opportunity to do this. 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:33.400 I really love that because that is the that tool 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:35.920 of saying your name is. 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.400 It's it's kind of magical, but it's obvious. 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.040 At the same time, think about when somebody calls, you know, 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:45.280 for people that are listening and maybe thinking we're a little. 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:45.800 Cuckoo, and I do. 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:48.840 If you're in public, you know, to say it to 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:54.920 yourself because you make it a few looks, but you know, I. 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:55.880 Don't care anymore. 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.480 I'm so like you know, I've been doing this, saying 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:00.920 my name three times for fifteen years now to call 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.120 my energy back. And even though I practice this every 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:08.120 single day when I feel fragmented, you're basically saying, come 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.440 back to me. You're getting your own attention, right, And 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.120 so you think about when somebody else says your name, 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:17.040 your attention goes there, where your intention goes you know, 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.200 as we all know, your energy flows that direction. So 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.280 when you're calling your yourself back, your energy is going 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.080 to come back to you your It's a moment in 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:31.160 which you can attune and center and remember, okay, I'm 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.640 right here right now. It's the first step toward being present, 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:39.520 and you know in present there's a wholeness that happens. Again, 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:42.440 we want our energy to be with us so that 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.560 we can direct it and be intentional with what we're 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:49.640 going to focus on. And and you know you mentioned anxiety. 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:54.440 Anxiety is this It really does take our energy. And 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:59.160 you could picture your energy kind of pulling apart because 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:03.600 it's going way out in the future, usually right in 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:08.640 the future into the what ifs, or in the past 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:12.800 into the well what was wrong? And Why did that happen? 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:14.960 Why did that happen to me? Why? Why? Why? 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.639 And you can just all your energy now is in 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.240 all these places trying to find this answer and it's 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:23.520 not right there with you. And the process of you know, 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.679 discernment is to say, Okay, what's true right here. 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:31.000 Right now? What is it that you know? Where am I? 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.920 Am I in fear or am I in you know? 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:36.600 Am I in the what ifs? 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:38.560 Because if I'm in the what ifs, then I need 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.040 to come back and into the what is right here, 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:44.040 right now true in order to find my center and 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:46.399 in that moment then clarity can happen. 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:48.359 So that tool of. 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.800 Saying your name three times is the is the first 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:56.960 step to finding that your your The word I want 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.520 to use, I guess is to calibrate your compass, your 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:01.400 innercom this back to you. 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.760 There's been times when I'm like crashing out on social 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:14.919 media and I'll be like, yeah, because I have a 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:16.920 private account that is just for my family and friends, 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.760 and it's not you know, it's like just me losing 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.040 my mind all the time, and Casey will be like 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.040 reach out and just be like, I see that you're 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:25.480 going through this moment. 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.159 Or I'll send you a meme that's just like girl, 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:30.240 check yourself. 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:32.920 You reel it in because it's like, you know, it's 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.520 like you don't just give away your energy. You know, 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.159 you don't just lose your energy or or sort of 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:41.320 like I guess misplace it when it's just when you're 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:44.399 like it can also be just in so many different 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:45.879 ways that aren't even tangible. 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:46.720 Yeah. 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.800 Yeah, And I will also say, like we offer a 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:53.920 lot of tools like that that are that are subtle, 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:58.600 kind of more energetic tools. But the other thing about anxiety, 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:03.159 and I think you know, Zoe you can relate to 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:07.960 this is people with anxiety oftentimes have really unruly minds. 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:08.640 Right. 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:13.920 It's like your unruly mind coupled with some insecurity or vulnerability, right. 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.639 And so one of the things that you've described in 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:18.360 the past, if I can share it here, is yeah, 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:21.879 of course, is you know that like you'll be in 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:28.000 an environment and experience something, right, a look, a tone 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:31.639 of voice, you know, whatever it might be from someone 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:36.159 in that space, and immediately it will kind of like 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:41.080 grab you at your most vulnerable and insecure space inside 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:45.520 your body. And once that kind of embodied reaction is triggered, 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:50.280 you then go into a pretty complex story around it, right, 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:52.679 and you are not alone in doing that. That is 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:55.639 part of like the whole kind of system of anxiety 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:59.520 that we all experience. So, but then what happens is 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.239 the story or that we tell ourselves obviously is the 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:05.000 one that causes the most suffering. And so a big 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:09.959 part of what you know we're working with people around you, know, 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.720 is it's not just about calling all of your fragmented 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:17.919 energy back and getting yourself into present time, which is 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:21.399 incredibly important. You really can't heal from from outside of 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:25.160 the present moment. But it's also about beginning to evaluate 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:28.840 and look at where have you created a story or 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:32.320 gone into agreement with a story that's creating suffering for you. 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:34.840 And one of the biggest things that I think we 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:39.680 try to teach people at welshol is how to break agreements. 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:39.960 Right. 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:42.280 It's like we are in this kind of perpetual state 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:46.760 of creating these unconscious contracts with stories, right that are 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.840 pretty much manufactured out of thin air. Right, there may 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:52.320 be some truth to them, and sometimes there is It's 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:56.160 true that person gave me a weird look, or it's 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:58.880 true that that person might be having a bad day 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:00.919 and used a tone of voye with me that felt 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:05.560 like aggressive or whatever it is. But the kind of 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:09.440 story that gets, you know, created out of that experience 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:13.000 is the one that we're trying to interrupt and to 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:16.960 not only in like, it's not just about breaking agreements 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:19.399 with the story that's not serving us, but it's also 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:23.720 about what are my choices right, What is the most 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:27.720 generous interpretation of this moment that I can lean into, right? 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:31.280 And and we want to start to practice that, We 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:35.600 have to practice moving into a more generous interpretation so 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:38.760 that we can create that not only that inner safety, 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:42.920 but harmony in our relationships and you know, not only 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:46.159 with ourselves but with others. So the story is a 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:48.040 big part of the anxiety, okay. 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:50.960 Mary, And it's so and sometimes the story feels so 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:53.959 real that it's hard to know the difference between you know, 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:57.040 like you're like wait. Sometimes I even will be like wait, 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:59.280 did that really happen? It's not just you know, the 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:01.840 story that I'm telling myself right now in the world 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:04.800 feels so heavy with the fires and you know, in 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:07.080 La but just everywhere the world. 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:08.000 Just feels to me. 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:13.560 Like there's just so much chaos going on how do 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:17.760 you stay centered? How do you stay how do you 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:20.639 protect yourself from that? Because I haven't figured that out yet. 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:22.199 Oh, we don't stay centered? 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:23.040 Is that? 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:25.359 Is that something you were misled to believe? 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:27.280 I think I was. I was under the illusion. 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:30.919 Okay, So you projected a story onto us that we 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:35.520 are centered. Oh that's right, Okay, Great, the lie, the 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:37.359 big lie is working, Jackie. 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:42.240 We've fooled everyone. I mean, I'll say this. 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:47.040 I you know, grief is really heavy right now in 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:48.640 the atmosphere. 0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:52.720 It's and you know, I tune into it every day. 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:56.119 A lot of our friends, a lot of our community 0:22:56.840 --> 0:23:01.120 has been affected in Los Angeles, and and even if 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:05.280 it wasn't, how can you not feel the magnitude of 0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:11.120 of what's occurred. And so it's been hard to sit 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:13.320 in it and go, whoa wait a minute, you know. 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:17.639 And you know, last night I was sitting and thinking 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:19.560 about this is what I do. I was sitting and 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:21.840 thinking about when all of the people and I watched 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:25.520 the Fiery concert that was so you know, wonderful, and 0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:30.080 and I thought about all the wild animals and I 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:32.960 just started to cry in it. And and that's where 0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:35.680 the tool comes in. It's like, Okay, I'm going to 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:37.080 feel it. We have to feel. 0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:37.639 We can't. 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:42.800 We can't bypass the moment of pain. The moment of 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:47.639 pain is a worthy moment to give attention to and 0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:52.120 just say, in this pain, where is the light? Where 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:56.280 can I find the wisdom from this this grief that 0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:58.400 I'm feeling so so deeply. 0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:00.680 And you know I went through. 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:03.639 I live in Napa and in twenty seventeen my whole 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:08.600 neighborhood burned and our house was thankfully. 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:10.080 Did not. 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:14.960 Our property burned, but our home was fine, and so 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:18.840 you know, I had a sense of the devastating feeling. 0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:21.720 But I don't even need to have that sense. 0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:24.240 We all think, you know, stop for a second, and 0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:26.679 when we think about, how does this apply to me? 0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:30.800 If that was me, that's empathy, which is really really important. 0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:33.880 But then we want to we can go into sympathy 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:36.920 and say I'm so sorry, but we want to stop 0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:40.960 ourselves before we judge it as being a terrible thing. 0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:45.440 We want to stop ourselves and say, where's the light here? 0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:48.320 And how can I help bring the light. And that's 0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:51.200 what helps me always come back to my center. When 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:55.040 I asked that question, just that question alone, Like, how 0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:58.119 can we find light here? This is terrible, but I 0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:02.600 know there's a way through, And I think that's for me, 0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:07.320 what is my coping mechanism? When I fall out of 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:10.280 my center and need to get back, It's like that's 0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:13.080 the life raft. And then once you're on the life raft, 0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:15.840 you can begin to see the way is it? 0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:17.720 Also like sometimes I think we've talked about this, like 0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:21.000 nothing is done to you, it's not happening to you. 0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:25.840 Yeah, yeah, there's something important. 0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:27.840 Not having to do with this, not having to do 0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:30.199 with this disaster, but just in general, like as a 0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:32.679 human being, not this is very different. 0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:39.400 Well yeah, I mean not really. Crisis is crisis, disasters, disaster, 0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:45.080 people experience it every day all over the world. So 0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:48.760 we don't get to conveniently choose like a mindset around 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:52.479 something only when it feels like comfortable and safe to 0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:56.960 have that mindset. I think where we try to help 0:25:57.040 --> 0:26:03.240 people move is, you know, don't we don't say everything 0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:05.440 happens for a reason, because it doesn't. We live in 0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:12.680 a chaotic universe. That's just how energy works. We try 0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:16.920 to keep people out of victim consciousness, right, there are 0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:20.400 real victims in the human experience that goth that are 0:26:20.600 --> 0:26:23.280 people that are victimized and go through terrible injustices and 0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:29.080 terrible things. But the kind of like ongoing relationship to 0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:32.600 the experience is what we're looking at, right, Because when 0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:37.280 you experience a trauma like the fires, like when you're 0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:40.080 in an acute state of distress and in an acute 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:42.520 state of trauma and in an acute state of grief, 0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:44.479 you're going to feel all the feelings, and you have 0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:46.680 permission to feel all the feelings. You have permission to 0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:50.320 be angry and feel the injustice and be in despair 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:53.760 and feel and ask why why me? 0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:54.400 Right? 0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:57.119 Why right? Those are the kinds of things that happen 0:26:57.200 --> 0:26:59.400 to us when we're in an acute state of trauma. 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:03.080 And so part of our job when we're working with 0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:06.679 people that are in acute crisis is to first and 0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:08.640 foremost just be with them in that and let them 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:11.119 know they're not alone, right, and that it's okay to 0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:14.200 have all the feelings that they're feeling. Now. Our job 0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:20.000 is also to help people move through into you know, 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:23.199 the healing process, right. So it's like when you're in 0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:26.560 the acute stage, you're not yet healing. You're mostly just 0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:30.879 experiencing the suffering, and then when there's some readiness established 0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:34.680 to start to move the energy toward healing, we are 0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:39.040 going to then work with how do we right rise 0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:42.440 from the ashes of this moment? How do we look 0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:46.359 at this experience that's incredibly difficult and hold the duality 0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:48.919 of the experience, hold the complexity of this experience. It 0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:52.800 can both be devastating and horrific and terrible and hard, 0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:56.960 and it can also be a miracle and an opportunity. 0:27:57.160 --> 0:28:00.840 And you know, it can reflect back to us how 0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:02.880 strong we are, and how creative we are, and how 0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:07.879 capable we are. So we are you know, we really 0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:10.600 want to hold the container for all of the things. 0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:16.440 Where we as facilitators and as practitioners see that things 0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:19.520 start to become problematic is when people stay attached to 0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:20.520 the victim story. 0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:20.919 Right. 0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:23.320 When you stay attached to the victim store, you're keeping 0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:26.280 your energy and attention stuck in the past, so you're 0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:29.680 reliving that trauma over and over again and unwilling At 0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:32.479 some level, there's a rigidity that's established that makes it 0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:36.800 difficult to move into the part where we want to 0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:40.080 learn from the experience. Right, And so what you just 0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:42.520 said Zoe is things don't happen to you, they happen 0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:45.080 for you. Yes, it's really hard to say that to 0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:47.000 someone that's in acute state of trauma. They might be 0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:49.840 like a few, that's just you know, not what I 0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:53.920 need to hear right now, right. But when we reflect 0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:57.400 back on an experience, oftentimes we're able to see how 0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:00.160 much we've grown from it, and we say, oh, like, 0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:02.320 there were a lot of opportunities for me in that 0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:08.000 really devastating experience to become this version of myself that's 0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:11.680 so much more capable and wise and strong. And so 0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:16.680 I see every trauma as an opportunity for growth. But 0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:20.600 it doesn't mean that we bypass the acute distress that 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:22.880 people are experiencing in the moment. I don't know if 0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:24.280 that helps frame kind of. 0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:25.200 No, it does. 0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:27.400 I want to add to that. 0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:31.120 So the saying you know everything happens you see that 0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:35.360 saying everywhere you know everything happens for you. Right, doesn't 0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.880 happen to you, But sometimes things do happen to you. 0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:43.440 Like Casey said, someone doesn't intend to harm you. There's 0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:49.120 intentionality out there in this world to create and to destroy, right, 0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:55.040 to create a destructive situation, but it as beings that 0:29:55.560 --> 0:30:00.160 we have the opportunity always to transmute that into happening 0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:05.240 for us. And so I think, you know the Casey's point, 0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:11.360 that's a process. So nothing really can happen to us 0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:14.160 as long as we know and can find right that 0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:18.720 place within us the support network as well, in order 0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:21.160 to emerge from any situation. 0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:23.160 And be transformed by it. 0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:27.960 And that's a choice, and sometimes it's hard to make 0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.600 that choice on your own when you're when something devastating 0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:34.040 occurs in our life, and that's where community comes in. 0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:37.640 That's where leaning on one another to say, you know, 0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:41.320 I'm you know, I'm devastated right now. 0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:42.360 I need a hand. 0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:46.080 And I think that's that's what we're witnessing in Los 0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:47.080 Angeles right now. 0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:48.440 I think that's really beautiful. 0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:53.280 So we can choose to put our focus on, you know, 0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:57.360 all of the trauma and tragedy that's happened, and we 0:30:57.720 --> 0:30:59.280 need to look at it, and then we have to 0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:02.680 choose to look at all of the help, look at 0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:06.400 the sense of community, and when we hold on to 0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:11.280 one another and come together in generosity and love, it 0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:15.120 will transform anything. And I think as long as we 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:17.000 can remember that then nothing does. 0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:19.800 Nothing can happen to you. Everything can happen for you. 0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:25.560 But it takes that fundamental shift in understanding that what 0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:28.520 is the thing that's going to transmute it, and that 0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:32.640 is to be generous with love and to be supportive 0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:34.720 of one another and meet people where they are. 0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:39.640 And it's really hopeful to me to see. 0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:44.120 That happening right now in La and in places all 0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:44.800 over the world. 0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:47.000 That's where I'm going to choose to focus. 0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:49.920 I'm going to choose to give that meaning and attention 0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:53.240 because the more we attend to that, the more that 0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:53.880 will grow. 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.280 You guys have both been doing this practice for so long. 0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:01.239 Do you sometimes forget and like just completely lose your 0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:01.960 minds or. 0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:03.040 Do you just. 0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:06.680 I mean, that's why I was saying, do we really 0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:09.680 give you the illusion that we found our center? 0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:10.920 I mean that you do? 0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:14.440 Yeah. I mean, like what we're really good at is 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:21.240 showing people the way to the center. Holding the center 0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:25.160 is a whole different story. And so the more you 0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:28.800 practice the tools right, the more you interrupt the story, 0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:31.360 the more you run your energy, call your energy back, 0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:38.200 the more you set intensions and activate your creativity to 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:45.719 like really focus on your capacity to choose, right, Like, 0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:50.120 the more integrated you become over time. So can I 0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:54.680 hold my center now? Probably more than I could in 0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:58.800 the past, absolutely, particularly around it. And there are a 0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:01.360 lot of things that might have kind of thrown me 0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:03.480 out of center in the past that are just non 0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:06.160 issues now they just like wouldn't ever take me out 0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:12.560 of neutral. But we are evolutionary beings constantly growing, so 0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:18.120 there is no point at which you achieve some like 0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:23.200 you know, enlightenment. Enlightenment is yeah, and this kind of embodiment. 0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:25.200 We're here to learn and grow. We're human beings. So 0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:28.760 like the you know, no matter how much work we do, 0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:33.160 there's always another opportunity for us to go deeper, you know, 0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:36.680 to widen our lens and zoom out even more, to 0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:39.560 practice a new set of tools. Tools also atrophy, Like 0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:41.360 you can use the same tools for a while and 0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:45.520 then realize, like gosh, like this isn't working for me 0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:48.200 right now. I need to like move the energy, shift 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:50.400 the energy, come up with a creative new tool to 0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:53.840 like kind of get myself into present time or whatever 0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:57.960 it may be. So we do use the tools, we 0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:01.960 practice them. It helps us stick, you know, bring ourselves 0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:04.560 back to center when we're throwing off, we can't. You 0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:07.520 guys should have a cheat sheet making a work book. 0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:10.760 Okay, that's I'm sorry, I have no idea. 0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:13.719 That's what you guys should do. And because because I 0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:14.560 know you guys are. 0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:18.040 You do workshops in Ohai, Napa and you just started 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:19.000 in that Wait where is it? 0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:21.480 The new one in New York in Hudson Valley in 0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:22.120 New York. 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:25.719 And then but if you can't get to those places. 0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:28.200 Yeah, how do I mean? We're so a couple of 0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:31.000 things we're trying to do shorter. First of all, we're 0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:32.880 doing we do a lot of private workshops too, So 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:35.399 if you have a group or you know, we've been 0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:37.759 doing quite a few of those. 0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:40.000 My lifers and I are going to do one. 0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:42.239 We're yeah to get the date, yea. 0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:46.480 So those can be one day. We're coming to La 0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:49.400 to do one for some people that were affected by 0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:52.560 the fires in March. They can be multi day or whatever. 0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:55.680 So people can reach out to us if for for 0:34:55.760 --> 0:35:02.040 those opportunities. But we're working on a workbook. But also 0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:07.399 you know, we work in private practice. There's all sorts 0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:11.160 of ways to kind of connect with us, but we 0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:13.520 really need to kind of get our workbook out there 0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:18.719 and expand our you know reach. So yeah, that is 0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:21.640 part of the intention going forward. We've just been so 0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:25.040 kind of inundated with work for the last eight years 0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:28.600 that we've been doing the workshop, so we keep trying 0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:31.680 to expand beyond a certain point, but then we just 0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:32.879 both get pulled into work. 0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:36.200 And you guys are both so like Jackie the other day, 0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:40.040 we had to re reschedule our session and she was like, 0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:42.120 my six am just canceled, And I was like, have 0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:44.440 you lost your mind? I will never meet with you 0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:47.200 at six am for some time. Sleepings, I get like, 0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:49.600 but it's just like, you guys are both just I mean, 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:53.000 and I'm sure it's because as the world gets, as 0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:56.399 life gets crazier and busier, you know, more people are 0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:59.719 but it's. 0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:01.480 It's we're definite only service providers. 0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:06.240 I mean, yeah, we love it. I have to say, 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:10.080 you know, there's when I don't have like a full day, 0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:11.759 I don't know what to do with myself. 0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:15.239 I mean, so I ask for balance every day. 0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:17.880 I set my intention that my day has some balance 0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:21.239 and that you know, I realized that I'm never on 0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:24.840 this journey by myself. I thank God that you know, 0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:27.160 I have people like you, Zoe and you know Casey 0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:30.960 in my life that I love and it brings me 0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:35.239 great joy. And but you know what we were talking 0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:37.640 about earlier, and I think what's really important and interesting 0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:39.920 if somebody wants to come to a well soul, what 0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:44.040 we're really helping you build is resilience. And so, you know, 0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:47.759 I may lose my shit, but I'm not going to 0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:48.919 lose it for a day. 0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:51.319 I'm maybe going to lose it, depends on what it is, but. 0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:57.800 Most likely because I was very reactive. I'm Italian and 0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:00.480 Sicilian to boot, and my mom and I grew up 0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:04.279 in a long lineage of very reactive people, so you know, 0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:07.280 everything was, you know, everything was falling apart. 0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:08.120 Everything in common. 0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:08.719 Yeah. 0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:11.279 Yeah, It's like something would spill on the floor and 0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:11.959 I'd hear my. 0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:14.760 Mom go, oh my god, and then yeah, you know, customers, 0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:15.840 I'm like, what what happened? 0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:19.440 She's like, oh, I dropped the milk. I'm like, okay. So, 0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:21.799 you know, I don't want to live my life like that. 0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:24.480 I don't want to live my life where I'm always 0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:25.520 reacting to. 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:29.480 I want to be in stillness and responding and so. 0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:33.800 The act of stillness for me, take a deep breath 0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:36.719 and then go, Okay, what is this right now in 0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:39.200 front of me? And I'm going to stay still until 0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:42.239 I can find that center, and then I'll respond. 0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:44.960 And if it takes a minute, or it takes a 0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:46.360 day or two, it does. 0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:52.920 And I think that that that alone has allowed life 0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:56.919 to get so much more joyful for me because I'm 0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:58.520 not always reacting. 0:37:58.760 --> 0:37:59.880 And and. 0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:03.800 You know, and I'm sure, I'm sure it gets a 0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:06.399 little easier not to react when your kids are grown 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:10.040 up and out of the house. Yeah, I'm still working 0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:10.399 on that. 0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:11.600 Yeah, I. 0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:15.840 Have three children basically the same age. Though you know, 0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:23.799 it's oh God in response, Yeah, well kids are supposed 0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:24.640 to poke you. 0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:28.160 There's i mean, the neat thing about being a parent. 0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:31.200 And I'm kind of on the other side my kids 0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:34.320 are grown. But I always thought, oh wow, I remember 0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:36.759 having this experience in eighth grade. 0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:39.080 That you are now having, you know, my one of 0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:39.640 my kids. 0:38:39.680 --> 0:38:41.400 And then I thought, and now I'm as torn up 0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:44.120 about it now for you as I was for me. 0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:47.480 And that's that process of lighting up so we can 0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:51.160 face something again. Our children are there doing their jobs 0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:55.040 when they're triggering us. Because it's our opportunity to face 0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:59.920 something again and make a new choice. And that's I 0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:02.520 think that's really key for those parents who are in 0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:05.360 the thick of it. When I look back now, you know, 0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:07.400 I had so many opportunities to make a new choice 0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:09.760 and to handle things with grace and to show. 0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:11.880 That, to model that for my kids. 0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:14.640 And even if they don't listen at first, and even 0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:16.759 if they don't you think they're not listening at all, 0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:21.120 I will tell you if you consistently stay in what 0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:24.520 you note and what you value and hold at it. 0:39:25.040 --> 0:39:27.640 When your kids are the ages of mine, they'll say 0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:29.400 to me. My kids say to me all the time, 0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:32.400 you know, Mom, I'm really glad that you you know 0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:34.120 that you didn't let us have the phone at the 0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:37.480 dinner table, or I'm really glad, I'm like really used 0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:40.640 to like have a tantrum every night with the dinner 0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:42.759 time at our house. I would dread because it was 0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:45.839 like always tears, or you know, and or my son 0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:47.640 will say, you know, I go out to dinner with 0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:51.080 people and they have terrible man I'm so glad you 0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:53.400 taught me manners. I used to say to my husband, 0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:55.480 can we like take the night off from manners because 0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:57.600 I just like a peaceful dinner. You know, it's like 0:39:57.680 --> 0:39:58.919 put your napkin on your lap. 0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:01.560 But when he I'd be like no. And so you've 0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:04.560 got to hang in there with what you value. And 0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:07.280 it doesn't matter if their head spins and they grow, 0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:10.920 you know, more arms and snakes are coming out of 0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:12.880 their head. You just got to stay in And it 0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:17.200 doesn't mean you're a bad parent, you know, because your 0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:19.120 kids are freaking out all the time, and it's like 0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:21.000 you know, energy. 0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:24.239 Flying, it actually means you're doing your job. And and 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:28.319 so I think I laugh when because you know, I'm 0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:30.320 not in that stage. I get to go to Casey's 0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:35.480 house with their kids and they are many. They are wilful, 0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:37.800 and I love it. And if your children are wilful, 0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:40.040 that's awesome because I try to. 0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:42.399 Remind myself of that, Yeah, I want them to be 0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:45.160 you know, you want them to Yeah, you want them 0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:45.840 to be strong. 0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:46.160 You know. 0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:48.279 I say that to my mom all the time, And 0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:51.520 I think that sometimes Gus and I I think that 0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:56.400 there's parts of all three of my kids that i'm 0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:59.080 that are so similar to me, Like Ace and I 0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:02.279 share like really strong bond. Jules and I share really 0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:04.920 strong bond. Gus nice share really strong bond. There's parts 0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:07.759 of Ace that I remember feeling the exact same way 0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:10.040 he is. And then there I look at Gus and 0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:12.839 he is me in so many ways. And for us 0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:15.879 that's like this, you know, we just are like all right, 0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:18.040 let's go, you know, and then Rob comes in and 0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:20.759 it's like much calmer. But it's like Rob and I 0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:22.840 mean Gus and I will just we will brawl. 0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:28.640 I love it. I love one of those. Yeah, it's funny. 0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:31.799 It's funny how certain children you can you really do 0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:37.160 feel like, oh you see yourself in them, but somehow 0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:40.520 there's not the rub, right, and then you like, like 0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:43.200 Ace in you for example, Right, it's like it's more 0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:45.200 just like I understand you at such a deep level. 0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:47.359 Let me help you with this because you know, right, 0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:51.600 like I have tools for this problem to solve. And 0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:54.359 then other kids, you know, I have I have one 0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:56.719 that I just I mean, I'm obsessed with all of them. 0:41:56.760 --> 0:42:00.640 I love them. Yeah, but we really go at it, 0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:04.000 you know, and it's like it brings out this part 0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:06.960 of myself that I'm like, where who is this? Like 0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:10.239 she doesn't show up in any other paradigm, right, like 0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:14.000 this is and that's a younger part of myself that 0:42:14.160 --> 0:42:16.840 feels out of control or what have you, and it 0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:21.080 becomes this kind of like power struggle, and you know, 0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:24.400 it's it's like, like I said, there's no point at 0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:28.640 which you've achieved enlightenment. It's like, this is the period 0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:31.719 of your life, of our lives where a huge part 0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:36.279 of our development comes through our navigating being parents and 0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:39.800 are navigating being in relationship towards children and trying to 0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:42.640 raise good citizens of the world. That is a big 0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:45.160 responsibility and it brings up all sorts of stuff for us. 0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:49.880 So I think even that even if you have totally peaceful, 0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:52.760 healthy relationship with your kids at home, like whoever's listening, 0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:56.279 this period in life when you have young kids in 0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:58.920 the house, that's that's part of the healing journey. That's 0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:00.960 part of the transformation, and that's part of the evolution. 0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:03.960 And then you know, your kids move out and you're 0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:06.239 in a different stage of evolution and you're working through 0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:09.680 a different set of challenges, right, but it never ends. 0:43:10.080 --> 0:43:12.399 It is ongoing. And so the key is to have 0:43:12.440 --> 0:43:15.239 the tools to be able to meet each of these 0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:19.919 moments and you know, to build our capacity is really 0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:23.160 what it is, and you said earlier, which is really important. 0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:27.040 Like Jackie and I started this in twenty eighteen. We 0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:30.120 probably started working together in twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen. 0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:33.520 Like it has been an absolute shit show on a 0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:37.840 collective level since we met, right, And like there have 0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:41.839 been many times where we have felt like I'm exhausted 0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:46.040 and feeling kind of defeated by the darkness, and like 0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:48.400 I would I like, I'm tired, I just want to 0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:53.040 go to sleep. There have been times, right, because it's 0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:57.560 not just that we're in the world with you doing 0:43:57.600 --> 0:43:59.799 all of this, going through all of this collective kind 0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:04.200 of growth that we're going through as a species, but 0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:09.239 we're also in session all day working with individuals who 0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:12.880 are also going through their own individual traumas coupled with 0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:16.040 these collective traumas. So there's times where we both are like, 0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:19.719 I think I need a break, Yeah really know doubt yeah, 0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:22.880 yeah a little bit. But for the most part, we 0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:25.160 don't get burnt out. You know. The only time we 0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:27.920 get burnout is when we aren't managing our time properly. 0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:32.720 I get way more burnout on parenting because it requires 0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:34.920 so much of me to work on my own development 0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:38.319 than I do working with clients, because I feel so 0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:44.600 inspired by the work of transformation. I love to be 0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:47.640 the person that's outside the quicksand trying to pull somebody 0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:51.040 out of the quicksand right because and I love to 0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:54.400 be able to see ahead, to know this person is 0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:57.000 in a really dark moment right now, but I already 0:44:57.000 --> 0:44:59.080 can see them on the other side of it. And 0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:01.480 so because I get to hold that for them, that 0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:04.959 feels like a beautiful thing. So even in the midst 0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:06.480 of all the darkness, and then when you start to 0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:10.879 like one of the kind of balms. For me over 0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:14.920 this last few years has been like doing a deeper 0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:19.040 dive into history, not to become kind of like steeped 0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:23.520 in the past, but to recognize and remember that, like, oh, 0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:26.479 human beings have been going through all sorts of really 0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:28.400 difficult things for a really long time. This is not 0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:32.520 isolated to the last you know, decade. It's just that 0:45:32.760 --> 0:45:40.200 we're in it right now. And so like well, soul 0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:42.080 and the work that we both do as individuals and 0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:48.000 our practices is it's really just about preparedness, it's about resilience, 0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:51.560 it's about building our capacity for navigating all of it. 0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:54.319 And because we're all capable of navigating it. 0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:05.480 I mean, I'm so thankful for it because it's changed 0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:08.000 my life. And something I you know, Rob and I, 0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:10.480 my husband, Rob and I we definitely argue and we 0:46:10.840 --> 0:46:14.520 you know, but we're both committed to constantly working on 0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:18.919 ourselves as people, not necessarily even together all the time, 0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:22.759 but separately like doing the work and coming together and 0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:25.800 then and I think that that's what I've like started 0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:29.120 to look for in friendships and in all my relationships 0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:31.680 is like, you know, and it's not to say like, oh, 0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:33.200 you're not going to like dig deep, then I don't 0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:34.359 want to be friends with you, not at all. 0:46:34.400 --> 0:46:36.120 And something Casey taught me was like. 0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:39.480 No, your energies just don't your energies don't connect. Instead 0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:40.840 of being like, oh I don't like that person or 0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:42.520 oh I don't you know, it's just like the energy 0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:45.600 doesn't matgine alignment, it's out of alignment. And I've I've 0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:48.560 really I'm so grateful that I have this partner in 0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:52.360 my life where our energies align that way, you know, 0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:57.200 you're evolving together, Yeah, which is such a gift. 0:46:57.280 --> 0:46:57.640 I think. 0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:01.239 I think it's really important that we find out where 0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:05.319 we're aligned first, and then we focus on where we're 0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:09.080 aligned and then continue to grow from there. I think 0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:13.320 those sorts of friendships and relationships can stand the test 0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:19.080 of time, and to me, time is evolution. Like the 0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:21.600 biggest insult you could give me would be to say, 0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:24.720 you know, you haven't changed a bit, because I think, wow, 0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:28.120 that's scary. Unless you're talking about my skin. 0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:34.719 You know, my beauty or whatever. Then then I don't 0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:37.040 want to hear that because I'm here to grow. I'm here, 0:47:37.640 --> 0:47:40.879 I mean, I know, I think you know. It's important that. 0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:46.840 We find meaning in all experiences and all relationships, and 0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:52.160 we get to decide what that meaning is. 0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:53.800 We get to tell the story. 0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:56.839 And we don't want to tell stories that are delusional, right, 0:47:56.960 --> 0:47:59.040 or full of illusion. We want to tell stories that 0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:01.560 are full of love. And so we want to tell 0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:04.680 stories that are full of kindness and grace. 0:48:05.360 --> 0:48:06.799 And so we can. 0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:10.839 Find those threads in our relationships, and we can find 0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:15.720 those that frequency of energy, right, the kindness, the grace 0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:20.800 in an experience, then we can start to make the meaning. 0:48:20.920 --> 0:48:26.640 From there, our world begins to shift, just simply. That's 0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:31.239 the magic of it, and so I prefer and I 0:48:31.280 --> 0:48:34.279 think especially in the world that we're existing and now 0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:38.359 everything's growing, everything's changing, and for change to happen, there 0:48:38.400 --> 0:48:41.239 has to be an eruption, there has to be an excavation, 0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:44.920 and there has to be a realization, it has to 0:48:44.960 --> 0:48:50.359 be revealed of where we haven't been conscious and in 0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:54.839 that moment, there's our opportunity now to decide how we're 0:48:54.880 --> 0:48:57.920 going to handle it. Where from which place am I 0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:01.160 going to show up? And if we choose those frequencies 0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:05.880 of grace and kindness and compassion, then that's going to 0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:09.440 write the story. But if we choose to see, you know, 0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:13.960 the negativity and the fear and you know, go into 0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:17.640 victim consciousness, then that's going to write the story. And 0:49:17.680 --> 0:49:20.879 we're the co creator of our reality no matter where 0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:22.279 we are, and you know. 0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:24.800 We talk about agency over it. 0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:29.239 Exactly, and that's I think what's so great about the 0:49:29.280 --> 0:49:32.120 practice that we share in our wealthol community is that 0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:36.839 we're all working on that making meaning in frequencies of 0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:41.279 love and finding the magic within us, which is that 0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:46.160 that tool in itself to create meaning and frequencies of love, 0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:49.440 and then we find and create the miracle from there. 0:49:49.880 --> 0:49:53.600 And so even though like I work thirteen fourteen hour days, 0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:56.880 sometimes in the thick of it, I get to witness 0:49:57.000 --> 0:50:00.520 so much magic, and I get to witness people, you know, 0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:04.840 finding the light and the darkness within themselves because it 0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:07.960 all comes back to you. It's all within you. It's 0:50:08.080 --> 0:50:11.920 just a matter of finding how to how to locate 0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:15.920 it within yourself. And so maybe we're like a navigational 0:50:16.000 --> 0:50:19.880 system casey where like the GPS or the soul or something. 0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:25.560 And Grace great great, and Zoe you you're onto something too, 0:50:25.600 --> 0:50:30.759 which is you know, you're like you've just identified that, 0:50:30.960 --> 0:50:33.600 like you want to be in relationships with other people 0:50:33.640 --> 0:50:35.200 that are also working on themselves. 0:50:35.239 --> 0:50:35.600 And so. 0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:40.000 Because your intention is to have relationships where there's alignment 0:50:40.200 --> 0:50:44.399 and shared values and all of that, and you've you've 0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:46.800 brought a lot of friends to WEILSOL over the years. 0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:47.719 So like you. 0:50:48.080 --> 0:50:51.080 You're you're and you're you're having a You're going to 0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:53.600 have a private group, I think too soon. So like, yeah, 0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:59.480 you're you're doing exactly what I think is necessary as 0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:01.759 we start to like really wake up to who we 0:51:01.840 --> 0:51:06.880 truly are, which is invite people along. Right, it doesn't 0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:11.080 just mean sometimes it means goodbye to certain friends and 0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:13.520 people in our lives. That where there is into alignment, 0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:18.160 but it's also like, hey, like I'm doing this really vulnerable, 0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:23.040 interesting thing that's like helped me, Come join me. See 0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:25.480 if it helps you too. And when we do that, 0:51:25.520 --> 0:51:28.040 we actually start to cultivate a shared language. And I 0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:31.840 think that's a huge part of what happens at Walsall 0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:33.880 as people bring their friends, and then they bring their family, 0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:35.720 and then they bring their partner, and all of a sudden, 0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:39.279 they have a whole new language inside their family, and 0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:43.000 they have tools that they're all practicing, and the evolutionary 0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:45.560 process is so much smoother when you have other people 0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:47.759 along for the ride with you, as opposed to you 0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:50.040 being the only person in your system. 0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:50.880 Yeah, it's do it. 0:51:51.040 --> 0:51:54.080 It feels so it feels so safe, you know, it 0:51:54.120 --> 0:51:56.000 feels safe, it feels cozy, it feels like. 0:51:58.800 --> 0:52:00.359 And it's it's for the better of all. 0:52:00.400 --> 0:52:02.120 It's not just you know, it's not just like hey, 0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:04.799 I'm doing this and I you know, and I want 0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:05.600 you to do that. 0:52:05.719 --> 0:52:06.720 It's it's. 0:52:08.080 --> 0:52:09.959 When I bring my friends, I'm like, this will change 0:52:09.960 --> 0:52:13.200 your life, Like this is you know, like this is 0:52:13.360 --> 0:52:16.319 this will this will give you a toolbox, which is 0:52:16.400 --> 0:52:18.840 all you really need, and then you do it. 0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:22.880 It's up to you. It's your practice, you know exactly. 0:52:22.480 --> 0:52:25.640 It's your practice. It's important, yeah, all self healers. 0:52:25.920 --> 0:52:27.360 Yeah, and it's what's. 0:52:27.160 --> 0:52:28.960 Comfortable for you, and you take what you want. And 0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:31.000 I love that like it. Obviously I talk a lot 0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:32.840 at Weilsel, but you don't have to. It's not like 0:52:32.880 --> 0:52:34.399 you need to sit in a circle and share. It's 0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:38.319 like it's it's about it's your experience, it's you know. 0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:39.279 So I don't know. 0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:41.880 I love you both so much and I feel so 0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:45.239 grateful for the gift that I found in you guys. 0:52:45.280 --> 0:52:46.560 So I'm so thank god. 0:52:46.640 --> 0:52:50.400 We met that day and I scared. 0:52:51.080 --> 0:52:53.880 I met this new species that I had never met before. 0:52:55.560 --> 0:52:57.200 You're You're welcome. 0:52:57.640 --> 0:52:58.080 You know what. 0:52:58.360 --> 0:53:01.600 Thank you I feel. I truly I feel really grateful 0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:05.560 and you you are one of a kind. There is 0:53:05.800 --> 0:53:08.560 no question about that. This is true, one of a 0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:11.920 kind of news. That's why I had never met and 0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:17.040 it was like you, Oh my gosh, thank you. 0:53:17.280 --> 0:53:18.600 Thank you guys for doing this. 0:53:18.719 --> 0:53:22.319 I really I'm so grateful and I want, you know, 0:53:22.400 --> 0:53:27.239 to share this amazing not it's not. It's just like, 0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:30.040 I don't know it's practice. I don't I don't even 0:53:30.080 --> 0:53:32.680 know what the word is. I guess practice. I wanted 0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:34.399 to share this practice because it's so. 0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:36.640 Doable. 0:53:37.160 --> 0:53:40.279 And when I did an episode about the fires right 0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:42.680 after or while it was still going on, I shared 0:53:42.680 --> 0:53:44.839 a prayer that Jackie had given me during that time, 0:53:44.880 --> 0:53:46.640 and I just kept saying it over and over and 0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:49.280 I it helped so much. 0:53:49.960 --> 0:53:52.440 And yeah, that's it. 0:53:52.520 --> 0:53:54.719 I'm so grateful, and I hope you guys have a 0:53:54.760 --> 0:53:56.480 great day. I know you have back to back clients. 0:54:00.000 --> 0:54:03.960 Thank you for being such a supportive friend. Oh my gosh. 0:54:04.080 --> 0:54:06.920 Please it's easy and member of. 0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:10.319 The community that we all share. I think that's just. 0:54:10.440 --> 0:54:13.520 Been very easy today when it works. So thank you. 0:54:14.480 --> 0:54:15.239 We love you. 0:54:15.680 --> 0:54:16.400 I love you, guys. 0:54:16.600 --> 0:54:18.360 Bye bye. 0:54:19.400 --> 0:54:21.720 Thank you so much for joining us for another episode 0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:24.600 of One in the Winkler. Please tell a friend, please follow, 0:54:24.800 --> 0:54:28.799 Please subscribe. I'm desperate, I'm begging, and I can't wait 0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:29.759 to see you guys next week. 0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:30.360 Thanks