Speaker 1: You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast. Hi,
Speaker 1: welcome back to another episode of What in the Winkler. Today,
Speaker 1: I have two incredible women joining me as guests, and
Speaker 1: I know them personally and I work with one of
Speaker 1: them as my healer. I've talked about her before on
Speaker 1: this podcast. Her name is Jackie Leonardini. She's a clairvoyant,
Speaker 1: an energy healer, and a certified soul coach. Casey Crown,
Speaker 1: her partner, is a trans personal psychotherapist, consultant, wellness educator,
Speaker 1: and activist. Her work challenges old mental health paradigms and
Speaker 1: suggests that true wellbeing lies in our ability to balance
Speaker 1: scientific and spiritual perspectives. They have created something called the
Speaker 1: Well Soul Workshop. I've gone twice and it's changed my life.
Speaker 1: Let's let them in, Okay, So I just want to
Speaker 1: thank you guys for being here.
Speaker 2: Awesome.
Speaker 1: I have talked about Jackie many times on this podcast.
Speaker 3: I work with her once a.
Speaker 1: Week and Kate See is her partner in Welsaull Workshop.
Speaker 1: She's also, as I said earlier, an incredible, incredible therapist
Speaker 1: and human being and friend, and I begged her to
Speaker 1: be my therapist, but that would be beyond inappropriate.
Speaker 3: So instead every time I see her, I just corner her.
Speaker 1: But I wanted you guys first of all. I want
Speaker 1: to talk about Welsoul Workshop and what it did for
Speaker 1: me as a human being, and what it has done
Speaker 1: for so many of my friends, and how you guys
Speaker 1: came up with the idea before we jump into everything else.
Speaker 4: Katie, why didn't you jump in and tell the origin
Speaker 4: story of our partnership.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so thank you for having us, Zoe. Thank you
Speaker 2: for so fun to be here with you. I got
Speaker 2: to be with you this weekend. I'm going to get
Speaker 2: to be with you next weekend. So I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm getting a lot of Zoe right now. Exciting and Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we started well Soul. This is our eighth year
Speaker 2: facilitating workshops, which is crazy. And we came together probably
Speaker 2: ten years ago doing some work. I actually had Jackie
Speaker 2: du A reading for me. She was referred by a friend,
Speaker 2: and we both knew kind of pretty quickly that we
Speaker 2: would be working together at some point. While I am
Speaker 2: a therapist and my kind of clinical work is in
Speaker 2: the treatment of trauma, especially, my background is actually also
Speaker 2: an energy medicine and the study of consciousness, and so
Speaker 2: there was a lot of overlap in our kind of approach,
Speaker 2: and so we came together, you know, just working in
Speaker 2: a personal way for quite a while, and then I
Speaker 2: began to refer clients who I had been working with
Speaker 2: in my practice to Jackie to do a little bit,
Speaker 2: do kind of a deeper dive into the energetic component.
Speaker 2: And we began to find that there was this kind
Speaker 2: of magic happening with the clients that we were working
Speaker 2: with together, you know, even though we would see them separately,
Speaker 2: there was this kind of integration that was occurring in
Speaker 2: combining our two modalities that we found really impactful and thought, Okay,
Speaker 2: I think we have something here. Let's try workshops, see
Speaker 2: how it goes. See if we can't kind of put
Speaker 2: a curriculum together that Mary's integrative Psychology, interpersonal neurobiology and
Speaker 2: energy medicine, and see what emerges from that experience. And
Speaker 2: you know, of course, as is the case often when
Speaker 2: you start any programming, it was all kind of like
Speaker 2: friends and family at those first two workshops, and it
Speaker 2: gave us a chance to refine our curriculum and really
Speaker 2: kind of work with people and see what worked and
Speaker 2: what didn't and now here we are eight years later.
Speaker 2: We have a pretty kind of robust curriculum that is
Speaker 2: our flagship workshop. We've gone on to develop a second
Speaker 2: curriculum as well that's focused very specifically on the topic
Speaker 2: of judgment and coming into balance around our relationship to judgment.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we love it. I mean, I think Jackie
Speaker 2: and I both have really full private practices, and you know,
Speaker 2: we love working one on one with clients. But there's
Speaker 2: something really really special and magical about getting a group
Speaker 2: of people together with a shared intention and to grow
Speaker 2: and to heal and to be vulnerable. And there's just
Speaker 2: a magic that happens in the room at Walsall. And
Speaker 2: you know, Friday night, when people arrived, they're terrified, usually
Speaker 2: especially if they've never been so, but by Sunday, everybody's like,
Speaker 2: you know, there's a real kind of camaraderie and energy
Speaker 2: that's moved through the group.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, it's a really special experience.
Speaker 1: I went in twenty nineteen and then again last year,
Speaker 1: and it was the difference between the two times was
Speaker 1: so interesting because it felt like the first time I
Speaker 1: was so nervous. I'd never meditated before, I'd never gotten
Speaker 1: into my own body before, and I've talked about that,
Speaker 1: I've struggled with anxiety my entire life. And I was
Speaker 1: so like, I just kept saying, I'm never going to
Speaker 1: be able to do this.
Speaker 3: I'm never going to be able to do this.
Speaker 1: And then by Sunday, I felt like I didn't even
Speaker 1: want to go home, you know, like I mean, I
Speaker 1: wanted to go home, but I was so I felt
Speaker 1: so safe and so good and emotional in all the things.
Speaker 3: And it was hard.
Speaker 1: But and the second time, I felt much more ready
Speaker 1: to sort of begin the journey, and I felt much
Speaker 1: I just felt like, oh, I can do this, and
Speaker 1: this is what it looks like.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's fun having you at Walthol the
Speaker 5: first time, but you know, the energy that you bring
Speaker 5: in the room is always like bubbly and full of humor.
Speaker 5: And I think, you know, when we're facing our shadow work,
Speaker 5: which is what we ask people to do when they
Speaker 5: come to Walsol, which sounds like it's really daunting, actually
Speaker 5: we have we have a lot of fun doing it,
Speaker 5: like looking at ourselves from this neutral place of saying
Speaker 5: I want to be aware of who I am entirely
Speaker 5: the wholeness of me so that I can feel comfortable
Speaker 5: and trust that I'm on this journey to evolve.
Speaker 4: So there is no judgment, there's just it is what
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 5: Where our anxieties, our fears are, you know, our trauma
Speaker 5: that we've experienced in our life all can be transformed
Speaker 5: or transmuted into this tremendous amount of growth, clarity and
Speaker 5: actually allow us to find that center within ourselves again
Speaker 5: to where being embodied, we're not cringing all the time
Speaker 5: or white neffling it through life because we're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: you know, things are supposed to be bumpy, and when
Speaker 5: I hit the bump, I have a tool. I know
Speaker 5: what to do, and I think you know what I
Speaker 5: love about sharing well Soul weekends with people is that
Speaker 5: Casey and I get an opera unity to practice along
Speaker 5: with you, so you know, we're there to share tools
Speaker 5: that help us navigate.
Speaker 4: The stress of life just in general, and or.
Speaker 5: Any type of hardship or pain that we experience doesn't
Speaker 5: have to destroy us. It can actually expand us if
Speaker 5: we feel equipped within ourselves too through you know. And
Speaker 5: the neat thing about when Casey and I came together
Speaker 5: is We're both very spiritual within a divine practice. You know,
Speaker 5: spirit means energy, divinity is love, and it is that's
Speaker 5: where the healings found. And so I think we make
Speaker 5: a real point of that at Walsall, and that creates
Speaker 5: a safe environment for people to come and open up,
Speaker 5: you know, and use humor. The humor is key because
Speaker 5: you know, you hear us say.
Speaker 4: All the time.
Speaker 5: You know, if you can what is it? I'd rather
Speaker 5: be amused than abused, right, So if I can find
Speaker 5: that amusement even in.
Speaker 4: The darkest hour, it will lead me through it. And
Speaker 4: I think that's really key.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: Well, So Casey and I met actually the first day
Speaker 1: of baby group with our oldest children.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, are.
Speaker 2: You sure you want to tell this story?
Speaker 4: Casey told the story. I really I can't wait.
Speaker 1: During the fires, we evacuated to o Hi and Casey
Speaker 1: lives in Ohi, and so I went. We saw her
Speaker 1: and she was telling the story about the first time
Speaker 1: we met. That was like, that was so it was
Speaker 1: just like it was so me, just like on any.
Speaker 3: Day, but she was so she was like, what is
Speaker 3: this being?
Speaker 2: Who is this?
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell it?
Speaker 2: I told her I'd never met her kind before.
Speaker 1: I was walking back to the room with Deborah, our friend, Deborah,
Speaker 1: we have a mutual friend, and I was like, it's
Speaker 1: so interesting, like it made an impact on her because
Speaker 1: that was just like that in the life.
Speaker 2: Of Zoe Winkler. Oh my god. I mean it was
Speaker 2: so funny, Like, you know, I show up to baby
Speaker 2: group and I'm walking down the street with my baby
Speaker 2: and Zoe gets out of her car. I see her, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know her. She sees that I have a baby,
Speaker 2: so she must think we're going to the same baby group.
Speaker 3: We've never met, I've never seen her life.
Speaker 2: Never met, and she just gets out of the car
Speaker 2: and she's like looks at me and may have even
Speaker 2: grabbed me like physically and was like the baby right
Speaker 2: all the way from Burley Hills to Santa Monica. He
Speaker 2: didn't take a breath, and like she she just like
Speaker 2: goes on in this kind of like hilarious, sort of
Speaker 2: hysterical like explanation of her drive.
Speaker 4: And also who was in the car with me? Who
Speaker 4: was baby shatters in the vaccine.
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, he was like.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: I was like, what is going on with this? Lady.
Speaker 2: So anyway, we go to baby group. Needless to say,
Speaker 2: it was my first and last baby group. I never
Speaker 2: came back, and it was not because of you, Zoe,
Speaker 2: but I then we met years later because our kids
Speaker 2: went to school together and and it's you know, she's amazing.
Speaker 2: I love you.
Speaker 4: I love you.
Speaker 2: You're so funny. And and by the way, like I
Speaker 2: just want to say, you know, kind of you know,
Speaker 2: just in reference to what you were saying about your
Speaker 2: two different weal soul experiences, like when you first came
Speaker 2: to Wealsaul, like I think one of the things that
Speaker 2: happens when we haven't done and you had been in
Speaker 2: therapy before, Like it wasn't like your first rodeo in
Speaker 2: terms of like doing inner work, but it was. It's
Speaker 2: a different kind of inner work that we do out. Also,
Speaker 2: it's not traditional psychotherapy. There's not you know, we don't
Speaker 2: follow a traditional method. And I think like the most
Speaker 2: important thing that we like to kind of like tell
Speaker 2: people and to help break the ice is like like
Speaker 2: who you are is okay, and like in all of
Speaker 2: its messiness and in all of its chaos and all
Speaker 2: of right, like the biggest, the scariest hurdle that I
Speaker 2: think all of us have to overcome when we start
Speaker 2: to do inner work is we have to kind of
Speaker 2: break agreements with the lie that like something is wrong
Speaker 2: with us, like that we're fundamentally problematic in some way.
Speaker 2: And most of us, until we've done inner work, have
Speaker 2: a lot of shame, right, and we have a lot
Speaker 2: of stories that we're constantly kind of circulating. And I
Speaker 2: think oftentimes when people come to wel So for the
Speaker 2: first time, that first workshop is just like about, oh,
Speaker 2: like I have permission to accept myself for who I am,
Speaker 2: Like I can work on all of this shit for
Speaker 2: you know ever, and I will, but like I can't
Speaker 2: even begin to work on it until I can kind
Speaker 2: of break through this initial like just judgment, judgment and
Speaker 2: move into this space of self love where I go like, Okay,
Speaker 2: here I am in all of my messiness and like
Speaker 2: all of my history.
Speaker 1: And also how many times judgment comes in without even
Speaker 1: knowing that it's judgment, like with sometimes you know you,
Speaker 1: and that is what has helped me so much, and
Speaker 1: with well souls also, like I was, I've been in
Speaker 1: therapy since I was seven years old, so I mean
Speaker 1: I'm forty four.
Speaker 3: That's a long time.
Speaker 4: And I was.
Speaker 1: I was, and it was and it was amazing and
Speaker 1: it was a privilege and I'm so lucky and I'm
Speaker 1: so grateful to my parents that they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: something's going on, but I wouldn't come out from the
Speaker 1: table after the earthquake. They were like, huh, she should
Speaker 1: talk to someone. But I, you know it, it didn't
Speaker 1: really give me the toolbox I needed because it wasn't
Speaker 1: stuff that we could talk about it and talk about
Speaker 1: it and talk about it. But it wasn't until I
Speaker 1: found you two. And you you know, I means as friends,
Speaker 1: but also as you know, as fill energy workers, facilitators, whatever, doctors.
Speaker 1: I mean that I could actually have a toolbox that
Speaker 1: I could do. And I have a notes app in
Speaker 1: my phone and I write down the thing so that
Speaker 1: when I'm feeling like just sort of like I'm about
Speaker 1: to get out of my body kind of and I'm
Speaker 1: going to just let all my energy go, I try
Speaker 1: to just call it back.
Speaker 3: And there are these things.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because I was actually able to tell
Speaker 1: my dad because one of the things that you guys
Speaker 1: teach us is that if you're just feeling completely like fragmented.
Speaker 1: Just say your name three times, and it doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be out loud. It could be quiet, it could
Speaker 1: be in your head, but kind of calling your energy back.
Speaker 1: And I know that I have a lot of listeners
Speaker 1: that are not in LA and that are not that
Speaker 1: this might I said, you know, this might sound confusing
Speaker 1: or silly, but it's.
Speaker 3: So just try it.
Speaker 1: And so when my dad he has anxiety too, and
Speaker 1: so I said to him, like, just say your name
Speaker 1: three times. Say your name three times, And he said
Speaker 1: that now he does that sometimes, like when he gets
Speaker 1: like really you know. So I thought that that was
Speaker 1: such an amazing thing and that was just one of
Speaker 1: the thousands of tools that you guys have kind of
Speaker 1: given me and given so many people that get the
Speaker 1: opportunity to do this.
Speaker 5: I really love that because that is the that tool
Speaker 5: of saying your name is.
Speaker 4: It's it's kind of magical, but it's obvious.
Speaker 5: At the same time, think about when somebody calls, you know,
Speaker 5: for people that are listening and maybe thinking we're a little.
Speaker 4: Cuckoo, and I do.
Speaker 5: If you're in public, you know, to say it to
Speaker 5: yourself because you make it a few looks, but you know, I.
Speaker 4: Don't care anymore.
Speaker 5: I'm so like you know, I've been doing this, saying
Speaker 5: my name three times for fifteen years now to call
Speaker 5: my energy back. And even though I practice this every
Speaker 5: single day when I feel fragmented, you're basically saying, come
Speaker 5: back to me. You're getting your own attention, right, And
Speaker 5: so you think about when somebody else says your name,
Speaker 5: your attention goes there, where your intention goes you know,
Speaker 5: as we all know, your energy flows that direction. So
Speaker 5: when you're calling your yourself back, your energy is going
Speaker 5: to come back to you your It's a moment in
Speaker 5: which you can attune and center and remember, okay, I'm
Speaker 5: right here right now. It's the first step toward being present,
Speaker 5: and you know in present there's a wholeness that happens. Again,
Speaker 5: we want our energy to be with us so that
Speaker 5: we can direct it and be intentional with what we're
Speaker 5: going to focus on. And and you know you mentioned anxiety.
Speaker 5: Anxiety is this It really does take our energy. And
Speaker 5: you could picture your energy kind of pulling apart because
Speaker 5: it's going way out in the future, usually right in
Speaker 5: the future into the what ifs, or in the past
Speaker 5: into the well what was wrong? And Why did that happen?
Speaker 4: Why did that happen to me? Why? Why? Why?
Speaker 5: And you can just all your energy now is in
Speaker 5: all these places trying to find this answer and it's
Speaker 5: not right there with you. And the process of you know,
Speaker 5: discernment is to say, Okay, what's true right here.
Speaker 4: Right now? What is it that you know? Where am I?
Speaker 4: Am I in fear or am I in you know?
Speaker 4: Am I in the what ifs?
Speaker 5: Because if I'm in the what ifs, then I need
Speaker 5: to come back and into the what is right here,
Speaker 5: right now true in order to find my center and
Speaker 5: in that moment then clarity can happen.
Speaker 4: So that tool of.
Speaker 5: Saying your name three times is the is the first
Speaker 5: step to finding that your your The word I want
Speaker 5: to use, I guess is to calibrate your compass, your
Speaker 5: innercom this back to you.
Speaker 1: There's been times when I'm like crashing out on social
Speaker 1: media and I'll be like, yeah, because I have a
Speaker 1: private account that is just for my family and friends,
Speaker 1: and it's not you know, it's like just me losing
Speaker 1: my mind all the time, and Casey will be like
Speaker 1: reach out and just be like, I see that you're
Speaker 1: going through this moment.
Speaker 2: Or I'll send you a meme that's just like girl,
Speaker 2: check yourself.
Speaker 1: You reel it in because it's like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like you don't just give away your energy. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't just lose your energy or or sort of
Speaker 1: like I guess misplace it when it's just when you're
Speaker 1: like it can also be just in so many different
Speaker 1: ways that aren't even tangible.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I will also say, like we offer a
Speaker 2: lot of tools like that that are that are subtle,
Speaker 2: kind of more energetic tools. But the other thing about anxiety,
Speaker 2: and I think you know, Zoe you can relate to
Speaker 2: this is people with anxiety oftentimes have really unruly minds.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: It's like your unruly mind coupled with some insecurity or vulnerability, right.
Speaker 2: And so one of the things that you've described in
Speaker 2: the past, if I can share it here, is yeah,
Speaker 2: of course, is you know that like you'll be in
Speaker 2: an environment and experience something, right, a look, a tone
Speaker 2: of voice, you know, whatever it might be from someone
Speaker 2: in that space, and immediately it will kind of like
Speaker 2: grab you at your most vulnerable and insecure space inside
Speaker 2: your body. And once that kind of embodied reaction is triggered,
Speaker 2: you then go into a pretty complex story around it, right,
Speaker 2: and you are not alone in doing that. That is
Speaker 2: part of like the whole kind of system of anxiety
Speaker 2: that we all experience. So, but then what happens is
Speaker 2: the story or that we tell ourselves obviously is the
Speaker 2: one that causes the most suffering. And so a big
Speaker 2: part of what you know we're working with people around you, know,
Speaker 2: is it's not just about calling all of your fragmented
Speaker 2: energy back and getting yourself into present time, which is
Speaker 2: incredibly important. You really can't heal from from outside of
Speaker 2: the present moment. But it's also about beginning to evaluate
Speaker 2: and look at where have you created a story or
Speaker 2: gone into agreement with a story that's creating suffering for you.
Speaker 2: And one of the biggest things that I think we
Speaker 2: try to teach people at welshol is how to break agreements.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: It's like we are in this kind of perpetual state
Speaker 2: of creating these unconscious contracts with stories, right that are
Speaker 2: pretty much manufactured out of thin air. Right, there may
Speaker 2: be some truth to them, and sometimes there is It's
Speaker 2: true that person gave me a weird look, or it's
Speaker 2: true that that person might be having a bad day
Speaker 2: and used a tone of voye with me that felt
Speaker 2: like aggressive or whatever it is. But the kind of
Speaker 2: story that gets, you know, created out of that experience
Speaker 2: is the one that we're trying to interrupt and to
Speaker 2: not only in like, it's not just about breaking agreements
Speaker 2: with the story that's not serving us, but it's also
Speaker 2: about what are my choices right, What is the most
Speaker 2: generous interpretation of this moment that I can lean into, right?
Speaker 2: And and we want to start to practice that, We
Speaker 2: have to practice moving into a more generous interpretation so
Speaker 2: that we can create that not only that inner safety,
Speaker 2: but harmony in our relationships and you know, not only
Speaker 2: with ourselves but with others. So the story is a
Speaker 2: big part of the anxiety, okay.
Speaker 1: Mary, And it's so and sometimes the story feels so
Speaker 1: real that it's hard to know the difference between you know,
Speaker 1: like you're like wait. Sometimes I even will be like wait,
Speaker 1: did that really happen? It's not just you know, the
Speaker 1: story that I'm telling myself right now in the world
Speaker 1: feels so heavy with the fires and you know, in
Speaker 1: La but just everywhere the world.
Speaker 4: Just feels to me.
Speaker 1: Like there's just so much chaos going on how do
Speaker 1: you stay centered? How do you stay how do you
Speaker 1: protect yourself from that? Because I haven't figured that out yet.
Speaker 2: Oh, we don't stay centered?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 2: Is that something you were misled to believe?
Speaker 3: I think I was. I was under the illusion.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you projected a story onto us that we
Speaker 2: are centered. Oh that's right, Okay, Great, the lie, the
Speaker 2: big lie is working, Jackie.
Speaker 4: We've fooled everyone. I mean, I'll say this.
Speaker 5: I you know, grief is really heavy right now in
Speaker 5: the atmosphere.
Speaker 4: It's and you know, I tune into it every day.
Speaker 5: A lot of our friends, a lot of our community
Speaker 5: has been affected in Los Angeles, and and even if
Speaker 5: it wasn't, how can you not feel the magnitude of
Speaker 5: of what's occurred. And so it's been hard to sit
Speaker 5: in it and go, whoa wait a minute, you know.
Speaker 5: And you know, last night I was sitting and thinking
Speaker 5: about this is what I do. I was sitting and
Speaker 5: thinking about when all of the people and I watched
Speaker 5: the Fiery concert that was so you know, wonderful, and
Speaker 5: and I thought about all the wild animals and I
Speaker 5: just started to cry in it. And and that's where
Speaker 5: the tool comes in. It's like, Okay, I'm going to
Speaker 5: feel it. We have to feel.
Speaker 4: We can't.
Speaker 5: We can't bypass the moment of pain. The moment of
Speaker 5: pain is a worthy moment to give attention to and
Speaker 5: just say, in this pain, where is the light? Where
Speaker 5: can I find the wisdom from this this grief that
Speaker 5: I'm feeling so so deeply.
Speaker 4: And you know I went through.
Speaker 5: I live in Napa and in twenty seventeen my whole
Speaker 5: neighborhood burned and our house was thankfully.
Speaker 4: Did not.
Speaker 5: Our property burned, but our home was fine, and so
Speaker 5: you know, I had a sense of the devastating feeling.
Speaker 4: But I don't even need to have that sense.
Speaker 5: We all think, you know, stop for a second, and
Speaker 5: when we think about, how does this apply to me?
Speaker 5: If that was me, that's empathy, which is really really important.
Speaker 5: But then we want to we can go into sympathy
Speaker 5: and say I'm so sorry, but we want to stop
Speaker 5: ourselves before we judge it as being a terrible thing.
Speaker 5: We want to stop ourselves and say, where's the light here?
Speaker 5: And how can I help bring the light. And that's
Speaker 5: what helps me always come back to my center. When
Speaker 5: I asked that question, just that question alone, Like, how
Speaker 5: can we find light here? This is terrible, but I
Speaker 5: know there's a way through, And I think that's for me,
Speaker 5: what is my coping mechanism? When I fall out of
Speaker 5: my center and need to get back, It's like that's
Speaker 5: the life raft. And then once you're on the life raft,
Speaker 5: you can begin to see the way is it?
Speaker 1: Also like sometimes I think we've talked about this, like
Speaker 1: nothing is done to you, it's not happening to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there's something important.
Speaker 1: Not having to do with this, not having to do
Speaker 1: with this disaster, but just in general, like as a
Speaker 1: human being, not this is very different.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean not really. Crisis is crisis, disasters, disaster,
Speaker 2: people experience it every day all over the world. So
Speaker 2: we don't get to conveniently choose like a mindset around
Speaker 2: something only when it feels like comfortable and safe to
Speaker 2: have that mindset. I think where we try to help
Speaker 2: people move is, you know, don't we don't say everything
Speaker 2: happens for a reason, because it doesn't. We live in
Speaker 2: a chaotic universe. That's just how energy works. We try
Speaker 2: to keep people out of victim consciousness, right, there are
Speaker 2: real victims in the human experience that goth that are
Speaker 2: people that are victimized and go through terrible injustices and
Speaker 2: terrible things. But the kind of like ongoing relationship to
Speaker 2: the experience is what we're looking at, right, Because when
Speaker 2: you experience a trauma like the fires, like when you're
Speaker 2: in an acute state of distress and in an acute
Speaker 2: state of trauma and in an acute state of grief,
Speaker 2: you're going to feel all the feelings, and you have
Speaker 2: permission to feel all the feelings. You have permission to
Speaker 2: be angry and feel the injustice and be in despair
Speaker 2: and feel and ask why why me?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Why right? Those are the kinds of things that happen
Speaker 2: to us when we're in an acute state of trauma.
Speaker 2: And so part of our job when we're working with
Speaker 2: people that are in acute crisis is to first and
Speaker 2: foremost just be with them in that and let them
Speaker 2: know they're not alone, right, and that it's okay to
Speaker 2: have all the feelings that they're feeling. Now. Our job
Speaker 2: is also to help people move through into you know,
Speaker 2: the healing process, right. So it's like when you're in
Speaker 2: the acute stage, you're not yet healing. You're mostly just
Speaker 2: experiencing the suffering, and then when there's some readiness established
Speaker 2: to start to move the energy toward healing, we are
Speaker 2: going to then work with how do we right rise
Speaker 2: from the ashes of this moment? How do we look
Speaker 2: at this experience that's incredibly difficult and hold the duality
Speaker 2: of the experience, hold the complexity of this experience. It
Speaker 2: can both be devastating and horrific and terrible and hard,
Speaker 2: and it can also be a miracle and an opportunity.
Speaker 2: And you know, it can reflect back to us how
Speaker 2: strong we are, and how creative we are, and how
Speaker 2: capable we are. So we are you know, we really
Speaker 2: want to hold the container for all of the things.
Speaker 2: Where we as facilitators and as practitioners see that things
Speaker 2: start to become problematic is when people stay attached to
Speaker 2: the victim story.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: When you stay attached to the victim store, you're keeping
Speaker 2: your energy and attention stuck in the past, so you're
Speaker 2: reliving that trauma over and over again and unwilling At
Speaker 2: some level, there's a rigidity that's established that makes it
Speaker 2: difficult to move into the part where we want to
Speaker 2: learn from the experience. Right, And so what you just
Speaker 2: said Zoe is things don't happen to you, they happen
Speaker 2: for you. Yes, it's really hard to say that to
Speaker 2: someone that's in acute state of trauma. They might be
Speaker 2: like a few, that's just you know, not what I
Speaker 2: need to hear right now, right. But when we reflect
Speaker 2: back on an experience, oftentimes we're able to see how
Speaker 2: much we've grown from it, and we say, oh, like,
Speaker 2: there were a lot of opportunities for me in that
Speaker 2: really devastating experience to become this version of myself that's
Speaker 2: so much more capable and wise and strong. And so
Speaker 2: I see every trauma as an opportunity for growth. But
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that we bypass the acute distress that
Speaker 2: people are experiencing in the moment. I don't know if
Speaker 2: that helps frame kind of.
Speaker 3: No, it does.
Speaker 4: I want to add to that.
Speaker 5: So the saying you know everything happens you see that
Speaker 5: saying everywhere you know everything happens for you. Right, doesn't
Speaker 5: happen to you, But sometimes things do happen to you.
Speaker 5: Like Casey said, someone doesn't intend to harm you. There's
Speaker 5: intentionality out there in this world to create and to destroy, right,
Speaker 5: to create a destructive situation, but it as beings that
Speaker 5: we have the opportunity always to transmute that into happening
Speaker 5: for us. And so I think, you know the Casey's point,
Speaker 5: that's a process. So nothing really can happen to us
Speaker 5: as long as we know and can find right that
Speaker 5: place within us the support network as well, in order
Speaker 5: to emerge from any situation.
Speaker 4: And be transformed by it.
Speaker 5: And that's a choice, and sometimes it's hard to make
Speaker 5: that choice on your own when you're when something devastating
Speaker 5: occurs in our life, and that's where community comes in.
Speaker 5: That's where leaning on one another to say, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm you know, I'm devastated right now.
Speaker 4: I need a hand.
Speaker 5: And I think that's that's what we're witnessing in Los
Speaker 5: Angeles right now.
Speaker 4: I think that's really beautiful.
Speaker 5: So we can choose to put our focus on, you know,
Speaker 5: all of the trauma and tragedy that's happened, and we
Speaker 5: need to look at it, and then we have to
Speaker 5: choose to look at all of the help, look at
Speaker 5: the sense of community, and when we hold on to
Speaker 5: one another and come together in generosity and love, it
Speaker 5: will transform anything. And I think as long as we
Speaker 5: can remember that then nothing does.
Speaker 4: Nothing can happen to you. Everything can happen for you.
Speaker 5: But it takes that fundamental shift in understanding that what
Speaker 5: is the thing that's going to transmute it, and that
Speaker 5: is to be generous with love and to be supportive
Speaker 5: of one another and meet people where they are.
Speaker 4: And it's really hopeful to me to see.
Speaker 5: That happening right now in La and in places all
Speaker 5: over the world.
Speaker 4: That's where I'm going to choose to focus.
Speaker 5: I'm going to choose to give that meaning and attention
Speaker 5: because the more we attend to that, the more that
Speaker 5: will grow.
Speaker 1: You guys have both been doing this practice for so long.
Speaker 1: Do you sometimes forget and like just completely lose your
Speaker 1: minds or.
Speaker 4: Do you just.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why I was saying, do we really
Speaker 2: give you the illusion that we found our center?
Speaker 3: I mean that you do?
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, like what we're really good at is
Speaker 2: showing people the way to the center. Holding the center
Speaker 2: is a whole different story. And so the more you
Speaker 2: practice the tools right, the more you interrupt the story,
Speaker 2: the more you run your energy, call your energy back,
Speaker 2: the more you set intensions and activate your creativity to
Speaker 2: like really focus on your capacity to choose, right, Like,
Speaker 2: the more integrated you become over time. So can I
Speaker 2: hold my center now? Probably more than I could in
Speaker 2: the past, absolutely, particularly around it. And there are a
Speaker 2: lot of things that might have kind of thrown me
Speaker 2: out of center in the past that are just non
Speaker 2: issues now they just like wouldn't ever take me out
Speaker 2: of neutral. But we are evolutionary beings constantly growing, so
Speaker 2: there is no point at which you achieve some like
Speaker 2: you know, enlightenment. Enlightenment is yeah, and this kind of embodiment.
Speaker 2: We're here to learn and grow. We're human beings. So
Speaker 2: like the you know, no matter how much work we do,
Speaker 2: there's always another opportunity for us to go deeper, you know,
Speaker 2: to widen our lens and zoom out even more, to
Speaker 2: practice a new set of tools. Tools also atrophy, Like
Speaker 2: you can use the same tools for a while and
Speaker 2: then realize, like gosh, like this isn't working for me
Speaker 2: right now. I need to like move the energy, shift
Speaker 2: the energy, come up with a creative new tool to
Speaker 2: like kind of get myself into present time or whatever
Speaker 2: it may be. So we do use the tools, we
Speaker 2: practice them. It helps us stick, you know, bring ourselves
Speaker 2: back to center when we're throwing off, we can't. You
Speaker 2: guys should have a cheat sheet making a work book.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's I'm sorry, I have no idea.
Speaker 3: That's what you guys should do. And because because I
Speaker 3: know you guys are.
Speaker 1: You do workshops in Ohai, Napa and you just started
Speaker 1: in that Wait where is it?
Speaker 2: The new one in New York in Hudson Valley in
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 3: And then but if you can't get to those places.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do I mean? We're so a couple of
Speaker 2: things we're trying to do shorter. First of all, we're
Speaker 2: doing we do a lot of private workshops too, So
Speaker 2: if you have a group or you know, we've been
Speaker 2: doing quite a few of those.
Speaker 3: My lifers and I are going to do one.
Speaker 4: We're yeah to get the date, yea.
Speaker 2: So those can be one day. We're coming to La
Speaker 2: to do one for some people that were affected by
Speaker 2: the fires in March. They can be multi day or whatever.
Speaker 2: So people can reach out to us if for for
Speaker 2: those opportunities. But we're working on a workbook. But also
Speaker 2: you know, we work in private practice. There's all sorts
Speaker 2: of ways to kind of connect with us, but we
Speaker 2: really need to kind of get our workbook out there
Speaker 2: and expand our you know reach. So yeah, that is
Speaker 2: part of the intention going forward. We've just been so
Speaker 2: kind of inundated with work for the last eight years
Speaker 2: that we've been doing the workshop, so we keep trying
Speaker 2: to expand beyond a certain point, but then we just
Speaker 2: both get pulled into work.
Speaker 1: And you guys are both so like Jackie the other day,
Speaker 1: we had to re reschedule our session and she was like,
Speaker 1: my six am just canceled, And I was like, have
Speaker 1: you lost your mind? I will never meet with you
Speaker 1: at six am for some time. Sleepings, I get like,
Speaker 1: but it's just like, you guys are both just I mean,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure it's because as the world gets, as
Speaker 1: life gets crazier and busier, you know, more people are
Speaker 1: but it's.
Speaker 4: It's we're definite only service providers.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, we love it. I have to say,
Speaker 5: you know, there's when I don't have like a full day,
Speaker 5: I don't know what to do with myself.
Speaker 4: I mean, so I ask for balance every day.
Speaker 5: I set my intention that my day has some balance
Speaker 5: and that you know, I realized that I'm never on
Speaker 5: this journey by myself. I thank God that you know,
Speaker 5: I have people like you, Zoe and you know Casey
Speaker 5: in my life that I love and it brings me
Speaker 5: great joy. And but you know what we were talking
Speaker 5: about earlier, and I think what's really important and interesting
Speaker 5: if somebody wants to come to a well soul, what
Speaker 5: we're really helping you build is resilience. And so, you know,
Speaker 5: I may lose my shit, but I'm not going to
Speaker 5: lose it for a day.
Speaker 4: I'm maybe going to lose it, depends on what it is, but.
Speaker 5: Most likely because I was very reactive. I'm Italian and
Speaker 5: Sicilian to boot, and my mom and I grew up
Speaker 5: in a long lineage of very reactive people, so you know,
Speaker 5: everything was, you know, everything was falling apart.
Speaker 3: Everything in common.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, It's like something would spill on the floor and
Speaker 4: I'd hear my.
Speaker 5: Mom go, oh my god, and then yeah, you know, customers,
Speaker 5: I'm like, what what happened?
Speaker 4: She's like, oh, I dropped the milk. I'm like, okay. So,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't want to live my life like that.
Speaker 5: I don't want to live my life where I'm always
Speaker 5: reacting to.
Speaker 4: I want to be in stillness and responding and so.
Speaker 5: The act of stillness for me, take a deep breath
Speaker 5: and then go, Okay, what is this right now in
Speaker 5: front of me? And I'm going to stay still until
Speaker 5: I can find that center, and then I'll respond.
Speaker 4: And if it takes a minute, or it takes a
Speaker 4: day or two, it does.
Speaker 5: And I think that that that alone has allowed life
Speaker 5: to get so much more joyful for me because I'm
Speaker 5: not always reacting.
Speaker 4: And and.
Speaker 2: You know, and I'm sure, I'm sure it gets a
Speaker 2: little easier not to react when your kids are grown
Speaker 2: up and out of the house. Yeah, I'm still working
Speaker 2: on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Have three children basically the same age. Though you know,
Speaker 2: it's oh God in response, Yeah, well kids are supposed
Speaker 2: to poke you.
Speaker 5: There's i mean, the neat thing about being a parent.
Speaker 5: And I'm kind of on the other side my kids
Speaker 5: are grown. But I always thought, oh wow, I remember
Speaker 5: having this experience in eighth grade.
Speaker 4: That you are now having, you know, my one of
Speaker 4: my kids.
Speaker 5: And then I thought, and now I'm as torn up
Speaker 5: about it now for you as I was for me.
Speaker 5: And that's that process of lighting up so we can
Speaker 5: face something again. Our children are there doing their jobs
Speaker 5: when they're triggering us. Because it's our opportunity to face
Speaker 5: something again and make a new choice. And that's I
Speaker 5: think that's really key for those parents who are in
Speaker 5: the thick of it. When I look back now, you know,
Speaker 5: I had so many opportunities to make a new choice
Speaker 5: and to handle things with grace and to show.
Speaker 4: That, to model that for my kids.
Speaker 5: And even if they don't listen at first, and even
Speaker 5: if they don't you think they're not listening at all,
Speaker 5: I will tell you if you consistently stay in what
Speaker 5: you note and what you value and hold at it.
Speaker 5: When your kids are the ages of mine, they'll say
Speaker 5: to me. My kids say to me all the time,
Speaker 5: you know, Mom, I'm really glad that you you know
Speaker 5: that you didn't let us have the phone at the
Speaker 5: dinner table, or I'm really glad, I'm like really used
Speaker 5: to like have a tantrum every night with the dinner
Speaker 5: time at our house. I would dread because it was
Speaker 5: like always tears, or you know, and or my son
Speaker 5: will say, you know, I go out to dinner with
Speaker 5: people and they have terrible man I'm so glad you
Speaker 5: taught me manners. I used to say to my husband,
Speaker 5: can we like take the night off from manners because
Speaker 5: I just like a peaceful dinner. You know, it's like
Speaker 5: put your napkin on your lap.
Speaker 4: But when he I'd be like no. And so you've
Speaker 4: got to hang in there with what you value. And
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter if their head spins and they grow,
Speaker 4: you know, more arms and snakes are coming out of
Speaker 4: their head. You just got to stay in And it
Speaker 4: doesn't mean you're a bad parent, you know, because your
Speaker 4: kids are freaking out all the time, and it's like
Speaker 4: you know, energy.
Speaker 5: Flying, it actually means you're doing your job. And and
Speaker 5: so I think I laugh when because you know, I'm
Speaker 5: not in that stage. I get to go to Casey's
Speaker 5: house with their kids and they are many. They are wilful,
Speaker 5: and I love it. And if your children are wilful,
Speaker 5: that's awesome because I try to.
Speaker 1: Remind myself of that, Yeah, I want them to be
Speaker 1: you know, you want them to Yeah, you want them
Speaker 1: to be strong.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I say that to my mom all the time, And
Speaker 1: I think that sometimes Gus and I I think that
Speaker 1: there's parts of all three of my kids that i'm
Speaker 1: that are so similar to me, Like Ace and I
Speaker 1: share like really strong bond. Jules and I share really
Speaker 1: strong bond. Gus nice share really strong bond. There's parts
Speaker 1: of Ace that I remember feeling the exact same way
Speaker 1: he is. And then there I look at Gus and
Speaker 1: he is me in so many ways. And for us
Speaker 1: that's like this, you know, we just are like all right,
Speaker 1: let's go, you know, and then Rob comes in and
Speaker 1: it's like much calmer. But it's like Rob and I
Speaker 1: mean Gus and I will just we will brawl.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love one of those. Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 2: It's funny how certain children you can you really do
Speaker 2: feel like, oh you see yourself in them, but somehow
Speaker 2: there's not the rub, right, and then you like, like
Speaker 2: Ace in you for example, Right, it's like it's more
Speaker 2: just like I understand you at such a deep level.
Speaker 2: Let me help you with this because you know, right,
Speaker 2: like I have tools for this problem to solve. And
Speaker 2: then other kids, you know, I have I have one
Speaker 2: that I just I mean, I'm obsessed with all of them.
Speaker 2: I love them. Yeah, but we really go at it,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's like it brings out this part
Speaker 2: of myself that I'm like, where who is this? Like
Speaker 2: she doesn't show up in any other paradigm, right, like
Speaker 2: this is and that's a younger part of myself that
Speaker 2: feels out of control or what have you, and it
Speaker 2: becomes this kind of like power struggle, and you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's like, like I said, there's no point at
Speaker 2: which you've achieved enlightenment. It's like, this is the period
Speaker 2: of your life, of our lives where a huge part
Speaker 2: of our development comes through our navigating being parents and
Speaker 2: are navigating being in relationship towards children and trying to
Speaker 2: raise good citizens of the world. That is a big
Speaker 2: responsibility and it brings up all sorts of stuff for us.
Speaker 2: So I think even that even if you have totally peaceful,
Speaker 2: healthy relationship with your kids at home, like whoever's listening,
Speaker 2: this period in life when you have young kids in
Speaker 2: the house, that's that's part of the healing journey. That's
Speaker 2: part of the transformation, and that's part of the evolution.
Speaker 2: And then you know, your kids move out and you're
Speaker 2: in a different stage of evolution and you're working through
Speaker 2: a different set of challenges, right, but it never ends.
Speaker 2: It is ongoing. And so the key is to have
Speaker 2: the tools to be able to meet each of these
Speaker 2: moments and you know, to build our capacity is really
Speaker 2: what it is, and you said earlier, which is really important.
Speaker 2: Like Jackie and I started this in twenty eighteen. We
Speaker 2: probably started working together in twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: Like it has been an absolute shit show on a
Speaker 2: collective level since we met, right, And like there have
Speaker 2: been many times where we have felt like I'm exhausted
Speaker 2: and feeling kind of defeated by the darkness, and like
Speaker 2: I would I like, I'm tired, I just want to
Speaker 2: go to sleep. There have been times, right, because it's
Speaker 2: not just that we're in the world with you doing
Speaker 2: all of this, going through all of this collective kind
Speaker 2: of growth that we're going through as a species, but
Speaker 2: we're also in session all day working with individuals who
Speaker 2: are also going through their own individual traumas coupled with
Speaker 2: these collective traumas. So there's times where we both are like,
Speaker 2: I think I need a break, Yeah really know doubt yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah a little bit. But for the most part, we
Speaker 2: don't get burnt out. You know. The only time we
Speaker 2: get burnout is when we aren't managing our time properly.
Speaker 2: I get way more burnout on parenting because it requires
Speaker 2: so much of me to work on my own development
Speaker 2: than I do working with clients, because I feel so
Speaker 2: inspired by the work of transformation. I love to be
Speaker 2: the person that's outside the quicksand trying to pull somebody
Speaker 2: out of the quicksand right because and I love to
Speaker 2: be able to see ahead, to know this person is
Speaker 2: in a really dark moment right now, but I already
Speaker 2: can see them on the other side of it. And
Speaker 2: so because I get to hold that for them, that
Speaker 2: feels like a beautiful thing. So even in the midst
Speaker 2: of all the darkness, and then when you start to
Speaker 2: like one of the kind of balms. For me over
Speaker 2: this last few years has been like doing a deeper
Speaker 2: dive into history, not to become kind of like steeped
Speaker 2: in the past, but to recognize and remember that, like, oh,
Speaker 2: human beings have been going through all sorts of really
Speaker 2: difficult things for a really long time. This is not
Speaker 2: isolated to the last you know, decade. It's just that
Speaker 2: we're in it right now. And so like well, soul
Speaker 2: and the work that we both do as individuals and
Speaker 2: our practices is it's really just about preparedness, it's about resilience,
Speaker 2: it's about building our capacity for navigating all of it.
Speaker 2: And because we're all capable of navigating it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so thankful for it because it's changed
Speaker 1: my life. And something I you know, Rob and I,
Speaker 1: my husband, Rob and I we definitely argue and we
Speaker 1: you know, but we're both committed to constantly working on
Speaker 1: ourselves as people, not necessarily even together all the time,
Speaker 1: but separately like doing the work and coming together and
Speaker 1: then and I think that that's what I've like started
Speaker 1: to look for in friendships and in all my relationships
Speaker 1: is like, you know, and it's not to say like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're not going to like dig deep, then I don't
Speaker 1: want to be friends with you, not at all.
Speaker 3: And something Casey taught me was like.
Speaker 1: No, your energies just don't your energies don't connect. Instead
Speaker 1: of being like, oh I don't like that person or
Speaker 1: oh I don't you know, it's just like the energy
Speaker 1: doesn't matgine alignment, it's out of alignment. And I've I've
Speaker 1: really I'm so grateful that I have this partner in
Speaker 1: my life where our energies align that way, you know,
Speaker 1: you're evolving together, Yeah, which is such a gift.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 5: I think it's really important that we find out where
Speaker 5: we're aligned first, and then we focus on where we're
Speaker 5: aligned and then continue to grow from there. I think
Speaker 5: those sorts of friendships and relationships can stand the test
Speaker 5: of time, and to me, time is evolution. Like the
Speaker 5: biggest insult you could give me would be to say,
Speaker 5: you know, you haven't changed a bit, because I think, wow,
Speaker 5: that's scary. Unless you're talking about my skin.
Speaker 4: You know, my beauty or whatever. Then then I don't
Speaker 4: want to hear that because I'm here to grow. I'm here,
Speaker 4: I mean, I know, I think you know. It's important that.
Speaker 5: We find meaning in all experiences and all relationships, and
Speaker 5: we get to decide what that meaning is.
Speaker 4: We get to tell the story.
Speaker 5: And we don't want to tell stories that are delusional, right,
Speaker 5: or full of illusion. We want to tell stories that
Speaker 5: are full of love. And so we want to tell
Speaker 5: stories that are full of kindness and grace.
Speaker 4: And so we can.
Speaker 5: Find those threads in our relationships, and we can find
Speaker 5: those that frequency of energy, right, the kindness, the grace
Speaker 5: in an experience, then we can start to make the meaning.
Speaker 5: From there, our world begins to shift, just simply. That's
Speaker 5: the magic of it, and so I prefer and I
Speaker 5: think especially in the world that we're existing and now
Speaker 5: everything's growing, everything's changing, and for change to happen, there
Speaker 5: has to be an eruption, there has to be an excavation,
Speaker 5: and there has to be a realization, it has to
Speaker 5: be revealed of where we haven't been conscious and in
Speaker 5: that moment, there's our opportunity now to decide how we're
Speaker 5: going to handle it. Where from which place am I
Speaker 5: going to show up? And if we choose those frequencies
Speaker 5: of grace and kindness and compassion, then that's going to
Speaker 5: write the story. But if we choose to see, you know,
Speaker 5: the negativity and the fear and you know, go into
Speaker 5: victim consciousness, then that's going to write the story. And
Speaker 5: we're the co creator of our reality no matter where
Speaker 5: we are, and you know.
Speaker 3: We talk about agency over it.
Speaker 5: Exactly, and that's I think what's so great about the
Speaker 5: practice that we share in our wealthol community is that
Speaker 5: we're all working on that making meaning in frequencies of
Speaker 5: love and finding the magic within us, which is that
Speaker 5: that tool in itself to create meaning and frequencies of love,
Speaker 5: and then we find and create the miracle from there.
Speaker 5: And so even though like I work thirteen fourteen hour days,
Speaker 5: sometimes in the thick of it, I get to witness
Speaker 5: so much magic, and I get to witness people, you know,
Speaker 5: finding the light and the darkness within themselves because it
Speaker 5: all comes back to you. It's all within you. It's
Speaker 5: just a matter of finding how to how to locate
Speaker 5: it within yourself. And so maybe we're like a navigational
Speaker 5: system casey where like the GPS or the soul or something.
Speaker 2: And Grace great great, and Zoe you you're onto something too,
Speaker 2: which is you know, you're like you've just identified that,
Speaker 2: like you want to be in relationships with other people
Speaker 2: that are also working on themselves.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 2: Because your intention is to have relationships where there's alignment
Speaker 2: and shared values and all of that, and you've you've
Speaker 2: brought a lot of friends to WEILSOL over the years.
Speaker 4: So like you.
Speaker 2: You're you're and you're you're having a You're going to
Speaker 2: have a private group, I think too soon. So like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're you're doing exactly what I think is necessary as
Speaker 2: we start to like really wake up to who we
Speaker 2: truly are, which is invite people along. Right, it doesn't
Speaker 2: just mean sometimes it means goodbye to certain friends and
Speaker 2: people in our lives. That where there is into alignment,
Speaker 2: but it's also like, hey, like I'm doing this really vulnerable,
Speaker 2: interesting thing that's like helped me, Come join me. See
Speaker 2: if it helps you too. And when we do that,
Speaker 2: we actually start to cultivate a shared language. And I
Speaker 2: think that's a huge part of what happens at Walsall
Speaker 2: as people bring their friends, and then they bring their family,
Speaker 2: and then they bring their partner, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: they have a whole new language inside their family, and
Speaker 2: they have tools that they're all practicing, and the evolutionary
Speaker 2: process is so much smoother when you have other people
Speaker 2: along for the ride with you, as opposed to you
Speaker 2: being the only person in your system.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's do it.
Speaker 1: It feels so it feels so safe, you know, it
Speaker 1: feels safe, it feels cozy, it feels like.
Speaker 3: And it's it's for the better of all.
Speaker 1: It's not just you know, it's not just like hey,
Speaker 1: I'm doing this and I you know, and I want
Speaker 1: you to do that.
Speaker 3: It's it's.
Speaker 1: When I bring my friends, I'm like, this will change
Speaker 1: your life, Like this is you know, like this is
Speaker 1: this will this will give you a toolbox, which is
Speaker 1: all you really need, and then you do it.
Speaker 3: It's up to you. It's your practice, you know exactly.
Speaker 2: It's your practice. It's important, yeah, all self healers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's what's.
Speaker 1: Comfortable for you, and you take what you want. And
Speaker 1: I love that like it. Obviously I talk a lot
Speaker 1: at Weilsel, but you don't have to. It's not like
Speaker 1: you need to sit in a circle and share. It's
Speaker 1: like it's it's about it's your experience, it's you know.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I love you both so much and I feel so
Speaker 1: grateful for the gift that I found in you guys.
Speaker 3: So I'm so thank god.
Speaker 1: We met that day and I scared.
Speaker 2: I met this new species that I had never met before.
Speaker 3: You're You're welcome.
Speaker 4: You know what.
Speaker 2: Thank you I feel. I truly I feel really grateful
Speaker 2: and you you are one of a kind. There is
Speaker 2: no question about that. This is true, one of a
Speaker 2: kind of news. That's why I had never met and
Speaker 2: it was like you, Oh my gosh, thank you.
Speaker 3: Thank you guys for doing this.
Speaker 1: I really I'm so grateful and I want, you know,
Speaker 1: to share this amazing not it's not. It's just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know it's practice. I don't I don't even
Speaker 1: know what the word is. I guess practice. I wanted
Speaker 1: to share this practice because it's so.
Speaker 3: Doable.
Speaker 1: And when I did an episode about the fires right
Speaker 1: after or while it was still going on, I shared
Speaker 1: a prayer that Jackie had given me during that time,
Speaker 1: and I just kept saying it over and over and
Speaker 1: I it helped so much.
Speaker 4: And yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful, and I hope you guys have a
Speaker 1: great day. I know you have back to back clients.
Speaker 4: Thank you for being such a supportive friend. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Please it's easy and member of.
Speaker 4: The community that we all share. I think that's just.
Speaker 3: Been very easy today when it works. So thank you.
Speaker 4: We love you.
Speaker 2: I love you, guys.
Speaker 4: Bye bye.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for another episode
Speaker 1: of One in the Winkler. Please tell a friend, please follow,
Speaker 1: Please subscribe. I'm desperate, I'm begging, and I can't wait
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Speaker 3: Thanks