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Speaker 1: You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast. Hi,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to another episode of What in the Winkler. Today,

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Speaker 1: I have two incredible women joining me as guests, and

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Speaker 1: I know them personally and I work with one of

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Speaker 1: them as my healer. I've talked about her before on

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Speaker 1: this podcast. Her name is Jackie Leonardini. She's a clairvoyant,

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Speaker 1: an energy healer, and a certified soul coach. Casey Crown,

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Speaker 1: her partner, is a trans personal psychotherapist, consultant, wellness educator,

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Speaker 1: and activist. Her work challenges old mental health paradigms and

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Speaker 1: suggests that true wellbeing lies in our ability to balance

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Speaker 1: scientific and spiritual perspectives. They have created something called the

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Speaker 1: Well Soul Workshop. I've gone twice and it's changed my life.

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Speaker 1: Let's let them in, Okay, So I just want to

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Speaker 1: thank you guys for being here.

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Speaker 2: Awesome.

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Speaker 1: I have talked about Jackie many times on this podcast.

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Speaker 3: I work with her once a.

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Speaker 1: Week and Kate See is her partner in Welsaull Workshop.

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Speaker 1: She's also, as I said earlier, an incredible, incredible therapist

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Speaker 1: and human being and friend, and I begged her to

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Speaker 1: be my therapist, but that would be beyond inappropriate.

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Speaker 3: So instead every time I see her, I just corner her.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted you guys first of all. I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about Welsoul Workshop and what it did for

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Speaker 1: me as a human being, and what it has done

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Speaker 1: for so many of my friends, and how you guys

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Speaker 1: came up with the idea before we jump into everything else.

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Speaker 4: Katie, why didn't you jump in and tell the origin

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Speaker 4: story of our partnership.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so thank you for having us, Zoe. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for so fun to be here with you. I got

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Speaker 2: to be with you this weekend. I'm going to get

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Speaker 2: to be with you next weekend. So I feel like

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Speaker 2: I'm getting a lot of Zoe right now. Exciting and Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So we started well Soul. This is our eighth year

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Speaker 2: facilitating workshops, which is crazy. And we came together probably

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Speaker 2: ten years ago doing some work. I actually had Jackie

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Speaker 2: du A reading for me. She was referred by a friend,

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Speaker 2: and we both knew kind of pretty quickly that we

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Speaker 2: an energy medicine and the study of consciousness, and so

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Speaker 2: there was a lot of overlap in our kind of approach,

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Speaker 2: and so we came together, you know, just working in

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Speaker 2: began to refer clients who I had been working with

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Speaker 2: And we began to find that there was this kind

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Speaker 2: of magic happening with the clients that we were working

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Speaker 2: with together, you know, even though we would see them separately,

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Speaker 2: there was this kind of integration that was occurring in

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Speaker 2: combining our two modalities that we found really impactful and thought, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I think we have something here. Let's try workshops, see

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Speaker 2: how it goes. See if we can't kind of put

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Speaker 2: a curriculum together that Mary's integrative Psychology, interpersonal neurobiology and

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Speaker 2: energy medicine, and see what emerges from that experience. And

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Speaker 2: We have a pretty kind of robust curriculum that is

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Speaker 2: our flagship workshop. We've gone on to develop a second

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Speaker 2: But yeah, we love it. I mean, I think Jackie

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Speaker 2: and to heal and to be vulnerable. And there's just

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Speaker 2: a magic that happens in the room at Walsall. And

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Speaker 2: you know, Friday night, when people arrived, they're terrified, usually

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, it's a really special experience.

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Speaker 1: I went in twenty nineteen and then again last year,

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Speaker 1: But and the second time, I felt much more ready

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's fun having you at Walthol the

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Speaker 5: like looking at ourselves from this neutral place of saying

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Speaker 4: So there is no judgment, there's just it is what

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Speaker 5: Where our anxieties, our fears are, you know, our trauma

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Speaker 5: actually allow us to find that center within ourselves again

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Speaker 5: love about sharing well Soul weekends with people is that

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Speaker 4: The stress of life just in general, and or.

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Speaker 5: Any type of hardship or pain that we experience doesn't

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Speaker 5: you know, and use humor. The humor is key because

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Speaker 5: You know, if you can what is it? I'd rather

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Speaker 4: The darkest hour, it will lead me through it. And

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Speaker 4: I think that's really key.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 1: Well, So Casey and I met actually the first day

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, are.

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Speaker 2: You sure you want to tell this story?

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Speaker 4: Casey told the story. I really I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: During the fires, we evacuated to o Hi and Casey

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Speaker 3: Day, but she was so she was like, what is

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Speaker 2: I told her I'd never met her kind before.

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Speaker 2: Of Zoe Winkler. Oh my god. I mean it was

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Speaker 5: I asked that question, just that question alone, Like, how

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00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 5: can we find light here? This is terrible, but I

442
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 5: know there's a way through, And I think that's for me,

443
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 5: what is my coping mechanism? When I fall out of

444
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 5: my center and need to get back, It's like that's

445
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 5: the life raft. And then once you're on the life raft,

446
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 5: you can begin to see the way is it?

447
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: Also like sometimes I think we've talked about this, like

448
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: nothing is done to you, it's not happening to you.

449
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there's something important.

450
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Speaker 1: Not having to do with this, not having to do

451
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Speaker 1: with this disaster, but just in general, like as a

452
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 1: human being, not this is very different.

453
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean not really. Crisis is crisis, disasters, disaster,

454
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: people experience it every day all over the world. So

455
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: we don't get to conveniently choose like a mindset around

456
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,479
Speaker 2: something only when it feels like comfortable and safe to

457
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 2: have that mindset. I think where we try to help

458
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: people move is, you know, don't we don't say everything

459
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 2: happens for a reason, because it doesn't. We live in

460
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 2: a chaotic universe. That's just how energy works. We try

461
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: to keep people out of victim consciousness, right, there are

462
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 2: real victims in the human experience that goth that are

463
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: people that are victimized and go through terrible injustices and

464
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: terrible things. But the kind of like ongoing relationship to

465
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: the experience is what we're looking at, right, Because when

466
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: you experience a trauma like the fires, like when you're

467
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: in an acute state of distress and in an acute

468
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: state of trauma and in an acute state of grief,

469
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 2: you're going to feel all the feelings, and you have

470
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 2: permission to feel all the feelings. You have permission to

471
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: be angry and feel the injustice and be in despair

472
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: and feel and ask why why me?

473
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 4: Right?

474
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 2: Why right? Those are the kinds of things that happen

475
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 2: to us when we're in an acute state of trauma.

476
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: And so part of our job when we're working with

477
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 2: people that are in acute crisis is to first and

478
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: foremost just be with them in that and let them

479
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: know they're not alone, right, and that it's okay to

480
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: have all the feelings that they're feeling. Now. Our job

481
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: is also to help people move through into you know,

482
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 2: the healing process, right. So it's like when you're in

483
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: the acute stage, you're not yet healing. You're mostly just

484
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 2: experiencing the suffering, and then when there's some readiness established

485
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: to start to move the energy toward healing, we are

486
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: going to then work with how do we right rise

487
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: from the ashes of this moment? How do we look

488
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 2: at this experience that's incredibly difficult and hold the duality

489
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 2: of the experience, hold the complexity of this experience. It

490
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: can both be devastating and horrific and terrible and hard,

491
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: and it can also be a miracle and an opportunity.

492
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: And you know, it can reflect back to us how

493
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 2: strong we are, and how creative we are, and how

494
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 2: capable we are. So we are you know, we really

495
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: want to hold the container for all of the things.

496
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: Where we as facilitators and as practitioners see that things

497
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: start to become problematic is when people stay attached to

498
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: the victim story.

499
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 4: Right.

500
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 2: When you stay attached to the victim store, you're keeping

501
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: your energy and attention stuck in the past, so you're

502
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: reliving that trauma over and over again and unwilling At

503
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,479
Speaker 2: some level, there's a rigidity that's established that makes it

504
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: difficult to move into the part where we want to

505
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: learn from the experience. Right, And so what you just

506
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: said Zoe is things don't happen to you, they happen

507
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: for you. Yes, it's really hard to say that to

508
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: someone that's in acute state of trauma. They might be

509
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: like a few, that's just you know, not what I

510
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: need to hear right now, right. But when we reflect

511
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: back on an experience, oftentimes we're able to see how

512
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: much we've grown from it, and we say, oh, like,

513
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: there were a lot of opportunities for me in that

514
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: really devastating experience to become this version of myself that's

515
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: so much more capable and wise and strong. And so

516
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: I see every trauma as an opportunity for growth. But

517
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that we bypass the acute distress that

518
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: people are experiencing in the moment. I don't know if

519
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: that helps frame kind of.

520
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: No, it does.

521
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 4: I want to add to that.

522
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 5: So the saying you know everything happens you see that

523
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 5: saying everywhere you know everything happens for you. Right, doesn't

524
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 5: happen to you, But sometimes things do happen to you.

525
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 5: Like Casey said, someone doesn't intend to harm you. There's

526
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 5: intentionality out there in this world to create and to destroy, right,

527
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 5: to create a destructive situation, but it as beings that

528
00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 5: we have the opportunity always to transmute that into happening

529
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 5: for us. And so I think, you know the Casey's point,

530
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 5: that's a process. So nothing really can happen to us

531
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 5: as long as we know and can find right that

532
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 5: place within us the support network as well, in order

533
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 5: to emerge from any situation.

534
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 4: And be transformed by it.

535
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 5: And that's a choice, and sometimes it's hard to make

536
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 5: that choice on your own when you're when something devastating

537
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 5: occurs in our life, and that's where community comes in.

538
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 5: That's where leaning on one another to say, you know,

539
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 5: I'm you know, I'm devastated right now.

540
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 4: I need a hand.

541
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Speaker 5: And I think that's that's what we're witnessing in Los

542
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 5: Angeles right now.

543
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 4: I think that's really beautiful.

544
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 5: So we can choose to put our focus on, you know,

545
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 5: all of the trauma and tragedy that's happened, and we

546
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 5: need to look at it, and then we have to

547
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 5: choose to look at all of the help, look at

548
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 5: the sense of community, and when we hold on to

549
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 5: one another and come together in generosity and love, it

550
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 5: will transform anything. And I think as long as we

551
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 5: can remember that then nothing does.

552
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 4: Nothing can happen to you. Everything can happen for you.

553
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 5: But it takes that fundamental shift in understanding that what

554
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 5: is the thing that's going to transmute it, and that

555
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 5: is to be generous with love and to be supportive

556
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 5: of one another and meet people where they are.

557
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 4: And it's really hopeful to me to see.

558
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 5: That happening right now in La and in places all

559
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 5: over the world.

560
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 4: That's where I'm going to choose to focus.

561
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 5: I'm going to choose to give that meaning and attention

562
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 5: because the more we attend to that, the more that

563
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 5: will grow.

564
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: You guys have both been doing this practice for so long.

565
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,239
Speaker 1: Do you sometimes forget and like just completely lose your

566
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: minds or.

567
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 4: Do you just.

568
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why I was saying, do we really

569
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: give you the illusion that we found our center?

570
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 3: I mean that you do?

571
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, like what we're really good at is

572
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: showing people the way to the center. Holding the center

573
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: is a whole different story. And so the more you

574
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: practice the tools right, the more you interrupt the story,

575
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: the more you run your energy, call your energy back,

576
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: the more you set intensions and activate your creativity to

577
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 2: like really focus on your capacity to choose, right, Like,

578
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: the more integrated you become over time. So can I

579
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: hold my center now? Probably more than I could in

580
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: the past, absolutely, particularly around it. And there are a

581
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: lot of things that might have kind of thrown me

582
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: out of center in the past that are just non

583
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: issues now they just like wouldn't ever take me out

584
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: of neutral. But we are evolutionary beings constantly growing, so

585
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: there is no point at which you achieve some like

586
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: you know, enlightenment. Enlightenment is yeah, and this kind of embodiment.

587
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: We're here to learn and grow. We're human beings. So

588
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: like the you know, no matter how much work we do,

589
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: there's always another opportunity for us to go deeper, you know,

590
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: to widen our lens and zoom out even more, to

591
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: practice a new set of tools. Tools also atrophy, Like

592
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: you can use the same tools for a while and

593
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: then realize, like gosh, like this isn't working for me

594
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: right now. I need to like move the energy, shift

595
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: the energy, come up with a creative new tool to

596
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: like kind of get myself into present time or whatever

597
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: it may be. So we do use the tools, we

598
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: practice them. It helps us stick, you know, bring ourselves

599
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 2: back to center when we're throwing off, we can't. You

600
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: guys should have a cheat sheet making a work book.

601
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: Okay, that's I'm sorry, I have no idea.

602
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 3: That's what you guys should do. And because because I

603
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 3: know you guys are.

604
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: You do workshops in Ohai, Napa and you just started

605
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: in that Wait where is it?

606
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: The new one in New York in Hudson Valley in

607
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: New York.

608
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 3: And then but if you can't get to those places.

609
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do I mean? We're so a couple of

610
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: things we're trying to do shorter. First of all, we're

611
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: doing we do a lot of private workshops too, So

612
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 2: if you have a group or you know, we've been

613
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 2: doing quite a few of those.

614
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: My lifers and I are going to do one.

615
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 4: We're yeah to get the date, yea.

616
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: So those can be one day. We're coming to La

617
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 2: to do one for some people that were affected by

618
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: the fires in March. They can be multi day or whatever.

619
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: So people can reach out to us if for for

620
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: those opportunities. But we're working on a workbook. But also

621
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 2: you know, we work in private practice. There's all sorts

622
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: of ways to kind of connect with us, but we

623
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 2: really need to kind of get our workbook out there

624
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: and expand our you know reach. So yeah, that is

625
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: part of the intention going forward. We've just been so

626
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: kind of inundated with work for the last eight years

627
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: that we've been doing the workshop, so we keep trying

628
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: to expand beyond a certain point, but then we just

629
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 2: both get pulled into work.

630
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: And you guys are both so like Jackie the other day,

631
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: we had to re reschedule our session and she was like,

632
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: my six am just canceled, And I was like, have

633
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: you lost your mind? I will never meet with you

634
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: at six am for some time. Sleepings, I get like,

635
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: but it's just like, you guys are both just I mean,

636
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: and I'm sure it's because as the world gets, as

637
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: life gets crazier and busier, you know, more people are

638
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: but it's.

639
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 4: It's we're definite only service providers.

640
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, we love it. I have to say,

641
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 5: you know, there's when I don't have like a full day,

642
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 5: I don't know what to do with myself.

643
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 4: I mean, so I ask for balance every day.

644
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 5: I set my intention that my day has some balance

645
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 5: and that you know, I realized that I'm never on

646
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 5: this journey by myself. I thank God that you know,

647
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 5: I have people like you, Zoe and you know Casey

648
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 5: in my life that I love and it brings me

649
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 5: great joy. And but you know what we were talking

650
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 5: about earlier, and I think what's really important and interesting

651
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 5: if somebody wants to come to a well soul, what

652
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 5: we're really helping you build is resilience. And so, you know,

653
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 5: I may lose my shit, but I'm not going to

654
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 5: lose it for a day.

655
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 4: I'm maybe going to lose it, depends on what it is, but.

656
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 5: Most likely because I was very reactive. I'm Italian and

657
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 5: Sicilian to boot, and my mom and I grew up

658
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 5: in a long lineage of very reactive people, so you know,

659
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 5: everything was, you know, everything was falling apart.

660
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: Everything in common.

661
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 5: Yeah.

662
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, It's like something would spill on the floor and

663
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:11,959
Speaker 4: I'd hear my.

664
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 5: Mom go, oh my god, and then yeah, you know, customers,

665
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 5: I'm like, what what happened?

666
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 4: She's like, oh, I dropped the milk. I'm like, okay. So,

667
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 4: you know, I don't want to live my life like that.

668
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 5: I don't want to live my life where I'm always

669
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 5: reacting to.

670
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 4: I want to be in stillness and responding and so.

671
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 5: The act of stillness for me, take a deep breath

672
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 5: and then go, Okay, what is this right now in

673
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 5: front of me? And I'm going to stay still until

674
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 5: I can find that center, and then I'll respond.

675
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 4: And if it takes a minute, or it takes a

676
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 4: day or two, it does.

677
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 5: And I think that that that alone has allowed life

678
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 5: to get so much more joyful for me because I'm

679
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 5: not always reacting.

680
00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 4: And and.

681
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 2: You know, and I'm sure, I'm sure it gets a

682
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 2: little easier not to react when your kids are grown

683
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: up and out of the house. Yeah, I'm still working

684
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 2: on that.

685
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I.

686
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 2: Have three children basically the same age. Though you know,

687
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: it's oh God in response, Yeah, well kids are supposed

688
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: to poke you.

689
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 5: There's i mean, the neat thing about being a parent.

690
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 5: And I'm kind of on the other side my kids

691
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 5: are grown. But I always thought, oh wow, I remember

692
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 5: having this experience in eighth grade.

693
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 4: That you are now having, you know, my one of

694
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 4: my kids.

695
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 5: And then I thought, and now I'm as torn up

696
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 5: about it now for you as I was for me.

697
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 5: And that's that process of lighting up so we can

698
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 5: face something again. Our children are there doing their jobs

699
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 5: when they're triggering us. Because it's our opportunity to face

700
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 5: something again and make a new choice. And that's I

701
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 5: think that's really key for those parents who are in

702
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 5: the thick of it. When I look back now, you know,

703
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 5: I had so many opportunities to make a new choice

704
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 5: and to handle things with grace and to show.

705
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 4: That, to model that for my kids.

706
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 5: And even if they don't listen at first, and even

707
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 5: if they don't you think they're not listening at all,

708
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 5: I will tell you if you consistently stay in what

709
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 5: you note and what you value and hold at it.

710
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 5: When your kids are the ages of mine, they'll say

711
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 5: to me. My kids say to me all the time,

712
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 5: you know, Mom, I'm really glad that you you know

713
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 5: that you didn't let us have the phone at the

714
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 5: dinner table, or I'm really glad, I'm like really used

715
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 5: to like have a tantrum every night with the dinner

716
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 5: time at our house. I would dread because it was

717
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 5: like always tears, or you know, and or my son

718
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 5: will say, you know, I go out to dinner with

719
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 5: people and they have terrible man I'm so glad you

720
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 5: taught me manners. I used to say to my husband,

721
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 5: can we like take the night off from manners because

722
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 5: I just like a peaceful dinner. You know, it's like

723
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 5: put your napkin on your lap.

724
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 4: But when he I'd be like no. And so you've

725
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 4: got to hang in there with what you value. And

726
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter if their head spins and they grow,

727
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 4: you know, more arms and snakes are coming out of

728
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 4: their head. You just got to stay in And it

729
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 4: doesn't mean you're a bad parent, you know, because your

730
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 4: kids are freaking out all the time, and it's like

731
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 4: you know, energy.

732
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 5: Flying, it actually means you're doing your job. And and

733
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 5: so I think I laugh when because you know, I'm

734
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 5: not in that stage. I get to go to Casey's

735
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 5: house with their kids and they are many. They are wilful,

736
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 5: and I love it. And if your children are wilful,

737
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 5: that's awesome because I try to.

738
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: Remind myself of that, Yeah, I want them to be

739
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, you want them to Yeah, you want them

740
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: to be strong.

741
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: You know.

742
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: I say that to my mom all the time, And

743
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: I think that sometimes Gus and I I think that

744
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: there's parts of all three of my kids that i'm

745
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: that are so similar to me, Like Ace and I

746
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: share like really strong bond. Jules and I share really

747
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: strong bond. Gus nice share really strong bond. There's parts

748
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: of Ace that I remember feeling the exact same way

749
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: he is. And then there I look at Gus and

750
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: he is me in so many ways. And for us

751
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: that's like this, you know, we just are like all right,

752
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: let's go, you know, and then Rob comes in and

753
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: it's like much calmer. But it's like Rob and I

754
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: mean Gus and I will just we will brawl.

755
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: I love it. I love one of those. Yeah, it's funny.

756
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 2: It's funny how certain children you can you really do

757
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: feel like, oh you see yourself in them, but somehow

758
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: there's not the rub, right, and then you like, like

759
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: Ace in you for example, Right, it's like it's more

760
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: just like I understand you at such a deep level.

761
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 2: Let me help you with this because you know, right,

762
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: like I have tools for this problem to solve. And

763
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 2: then other kids, you know, I have I have one

764
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: that I just I mean, I'm obsessed with all of them.

765
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: I love them. Yeah, but we really go at it,

766
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: you know, and it's like it brings out this part

767
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: of myself that I'm like, where who is this? Like

768
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: she doesn't show up in any other paradigm, right, like

769
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: this is and that's a younger part of myself that

770
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 2: feels out of control or what have you, and it

771
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: becomes this kind of like power struggle, and you know,

772
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: it's it's like, like I said, there's no point at

773
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 2: which you've achieved enlightenment. It's like, this is the period

774
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: of your life, of our lives where a huge part

775
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: of our development comes through our navigating being parents and

776
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 2: are navigating being in relationship towards children and trying to

777
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: raise good citizens of the world. That is a big

778
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: responsibility and it brings up all sorts of stuff for us.

779
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: So I think even that even if you have totally peaceful,

780
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 2: healthy relationship with your kids at home, like whoever's listening,

781
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: this period in life when you have young kids in

782
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: the house, that's that's part of the healing journey. That's

783
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: part of the transformation, and that's part of the evolution.

784
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: And then you know, your kids move out and you're

785
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: in a different stage of evolution and you're working through

786
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: a different set of challenges, right, but it never ends.

787
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 2: It is ongoing. And so the key is to have

788
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: the tools to be able to meet each of these

789
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 2: moments and you know, to build our capacity is really

790
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: what it is, and you said earlier, which is really important.

791
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: Like Jackie and I started this in twenty eighteen. We

792
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: probably started working together in twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen.

793
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: Like it has been an absolute shit show on a

794
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 2: collective level since we met, right, And like there have

795
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 2: been many times where we have felt like I'm exhausted

796
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: and feeling kind of defeated by the darkness, and like

797
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 2: I would I like, I'm tired, I just want to

798
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: go to sleep. There have been times, right, because it's

799
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: not just that we're in the world with you doing

800
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: all of this, going through all of this collective kind

801
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: of growth that we're going through as a species, but

802
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: we're also in session all day working with individuals who

803
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: are also going through their own individual traumas coupled with

804
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: these collective traumas. So there's times where we both are like,

805
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: I think I need a break, Yeah really know doubt yeah,

806
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 2: yeah a little bit. But for the most part, we

807
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: don't get burnt out. You know. The only time we

808
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: get burnout is when we aren't managing our time properly.

809
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 2: I get way more burnout on parenting because it requires

810
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 2: so much of me to work on my own development

811
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 2: than I do working with clients, because I feel so

812
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: inspired by the work of transformation. I love to be

813
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: the person that's outside the quicksand trying to pull somebody

814
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: out of the quicksand right because and I love to

815
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 2: be able to see ahead, to know this person is

816
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: in a really dark moment right now, but I already

817
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: can see them on the other side of it. And

818
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: so because I get to hold that for them, that

819
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,959
Speaker 2: feels like a beautiful thing. So even in the midst

820
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: of all the darkness, and then when you start to

821
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 2: like one of the kind of balms. For me over

822
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: this last few years has been like doing a deeper

823
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: dive into history, not to become kind of like steeped

824
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: in the past, but to recognize and remember that, like, oh,

825
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,479
Speaker 2: human beings have been going through all sorts of really

826
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 2: difficult things for a really long time. This is not

827
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: isolated to the last you know, decade. It's just that

828
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: we're in it right now. And so like well, soul

829
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: and the work that we both do as individuals and

830
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: our practices is it's really just about preparedness, it's about resilience,

831
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: it's about building our capacity for navigating all of it.

832
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: And because we're all capable of navigating it.

833
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so thankful for it because it's changed

834
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: my life. And something I you know, Rob and I,

835
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: my husband, Rob and I we definitely argue and we

836
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, but we're both committed to constantly working on

837
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 1: ourselves as people, not necessarily even together all the time,

838
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: but separately like doing the work and coming together and

839
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: then and I think that that's what I've like started

840
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: to look for in friendships and in all my relationships

841
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: is like, you know, and it's not to say like, oh,

842
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: you're not going to like dig deep, then I don't

843
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: want to be friends with you, not at all.

844
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 3: And something Casey taught me was like.

845
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: No, your energies just don't your energies don't connect. Instead

846
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: of being like, oh I don't like that person or

847
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: oh I don't you know, it's just like the energy

848
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: doesn't matgine alignment, it's out of alignment. And I've I've

849
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: really I'm so grateful that I have this partner in

850
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: my life where our energies align that way, you know,

851
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: you're evolving together, Yeah, which is such a gift.

852
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: I think.

853
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 5: I think it's really important that we find out where

854
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 5: we're aligned first, and then we focus on where we're

855
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 5: aligned and then continue to grow from there. I think

856
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 5: those sorts of friendships and relationships can stand the test

857
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 5: of time, and to me, time is evolution. Like the

858
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 5: biggest insult you could give me would be to say,

859
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 5: you know, you haven't changed a bit, because I think, wow,

860
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 5: that's scary. Unless you're talking about my skin.

861
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 4: You know, my beauty or whatever. Then then I don't

862
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 4: want to hear that because I'm here to grow. I'm here,

863
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 4: I mean, I know, I think you know. It's important that.

864
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 5: We find meaning in all experiences and all relationships, and

865
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 5: we get to decide what that meaning is.

866
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 4: We get to tell the story.

867
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 5: And we don't want to tell stories that are delusional, right,

868
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 5: or full of illusion. We want to tell stories that

869
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 5: are full of love. And so we want to tell

870
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 5: stories that are full of kindness and grace.

871
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 4: And so we can.

872
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 5: Find those threads in our relationships, and we can find

873
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 5: those that frequency of energy, right, the kindness, the grace

874
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 5: in an experience, then we can start to make the meaning.

875
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 5: From there, our world begins to shift, just simply. That's

876
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 5: the magic of it, and so I prefer and I

877
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 5: think especially in the world that we're existing and now

878
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 5: everything's growing, everything's changing, and for change to happen, there

879
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 5: has to be an eruption, there has to be an excavation,

880
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 5: and there has to be a realization, it has to

881
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 5: be revealed of where we haven't been conscious and in

882
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 5: that moment, there's our opportunity now to decide how we're

883
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 5: going to handle it. Where from which place am I

884
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 5: going to show up? And if we choose those frequencies

885
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 5: of grace and kindness and compassion, then that's going to

886
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 5: write the story. But if we choose to see, you know,

887
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 5: the negativity and the fear and you know, go into

888
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 5: victim consciousness, then that's going to write the story. And

889
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 5: we're the co creator of our reality no matter where

890
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 5: we are, and you know.

891
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 3: We talk about agency over it.

892
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 5: Exactly, and that's I think what's so great about the

893
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 5: practice that we share in our wealthol community is that

894
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 5: we're all working on that making meaning in frequencies of

895
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 5: love and finding the magic within us, which is that

896
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 5: that tool in itself to create meaning and frequencies of love,

897
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 5: and then we find and create the miracle from there.

898
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 5: And so even though like I work thirteen fourteen hour days,

899
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 5: sometimes in the thick of it, I get to witness

900
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 5: so much magic, and I get to witness people, you know,

901
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 5: finding the light and the darkness within themselves because it

902
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 5: all comes back to you. It's all within you. It's

903
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 5: just a matter of finding how to how to locate

904
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 5: it within yourself. And so maybe we're like a navigational

905
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 5: system casey where like the GPS or the soul or something.

906
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: And Grace great great, and Zoe you you're onto something too,

907
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 2: which is you know, you're like you've just identified that,

908
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: like you want to be in relationships with other people

909
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: that are also working on themselves.

910
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 4: And so.

911
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: Because your intention is to have relationships where there's alignment

912
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 2: and shared values and all of that, and you've you've

913
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 2: brought a lot of friends to WEILSOL over the years.

914
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 4: So like you.

915
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: You're you're and you're you're having a You're going to

916
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: have a private group, I think too soon. So like, yeah,

917
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: you're you're doing exactly what I think is necessary as

918
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 2: we start to like really wake up to who we

919
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: truly are, which is invite people along. Right, it doesn't

920
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: just mean sometimes it means goodbye to certain friends and

921
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 2: people in our lives. That where there is into alignment,

922
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: but it's also like, hey, like I'm doing this really vulnerable,

923
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: interesting thing that's like helped me, Come join me. See

924
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: if it helps you too. And when we do that,

925
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: we actually start to cultivate a shared language. And I

926
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 2: think that's a huge part of what happens at Walsall

927
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 2: as people bring their friends, and then they bring their family,

928
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 2: and then they bring their partner, and all of a sudden,

929
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 2: they have a whole new language inside their family, and

930
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: they have tools that they're all practicing, and the evolutionary

931
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: process is so much smoother when you have other people

932
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 2: along for the ride with you, as opposed to you

933
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: being the only person in your system.

934
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's do it.

935
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: It feels so it feels so safe, you know, it

936
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: feels safe, it feels cozy, it feels like.

937
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 3: And it's it's for the better of all.

938
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: It's not just you know, it's not just like hey,

939
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: I'm doing this and I you know, and I want

940
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: you to do that.

941
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 3: It's it's.

942
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,959
Speaker 1: When I bring my friends, I'm like, this will change

943
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: your life, Like this is you know, like this is

944
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: this will this will give you a toolbox, which is

945
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: all you really need, and then you do it.

946
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 3: It's up to you. It's your practice, you know exactly.

947
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: It's your practice. It's important, yeah, all self healers.

948
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's what's.

949
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: Comfortable for you, and you take what you want. And

950
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: I love that like it. Obviously I talk a lot

951
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: at Weilsel, but you don't have to. It's not like

952
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: you need to sit in a circle and share. It's

953
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: like it's it's about it's your experience, it's you know.

954
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

955
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: I love you both so much and I feel so

956
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: grateful for the gift that I found in you guys.

957
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 3: So I'm so thank god.

958
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: We met that day and I scared.

959
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 2: I met this new species that I had never met before.

960
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 3: You're You're welcome.

961
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 4: You know what.

962
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: Thank you I feel. I truly I feel really grateful

963
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: and you you are one of a kind. There is

964
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 2: no question about that. This is true, one of a

965
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: kind of news. That's why I had never met and

966
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: it was like you, Oh my gosh, thank you.

967
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 3: Thank you guys for doing this.

968
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: I really I'm so grateful and I want, you know,

969
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: to share this amazing not it's not. It's just like,

970
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't know it's practice. I don't I don't even

971
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: know what the word is. I guess practice. I wanted

972
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: to share this practice because it's so.

973
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 3: Doable.

974
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: And when I did an episode about the fires right

975
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: after or while it was still going on, I shared

976
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: a prayer that Jackie had given me during that time,

977
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: and I just kept saying it over and over and

978
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 1: I it helped so much.

979
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 4: And yeah, that's it.

980
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful, and I hope you guys have a

981
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: great day. I know you have back to back clients.

982
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 4: Thank you for being such a supportive friend. Oh my gosh.

983
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 3: Please it's easy and member of.

984
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 4: The community that we all share. I think that's just.

985
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 3: Been very easy today when it works. So thank you.

986
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 4: We love you.

987
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 2: I love you, guys.

988
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 4: Bye bye.

989
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for another episode

990
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: of One in the Winkler. Please tell a friend, please follow,

991
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: Please subscribe. I'm desperate, I'm begging, and I can't wait

992
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: to see you guys next week.

993
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 3: Thanks