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Speaker 1: It is Thursday November nineteenth, twenty twenty, Season sixteen, episode
Speaker 1: number sixty seven. Welcome to another edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: I'm Derek Eagleston, joined by Dave Hellman, Nick Eatman, Amber Garcia.
Speaker 1: We're at the s WBC Mortgage studio at the Star
Speaker 1: at least Dave and I are. We got our crew
Speaker 1: with us, and we're gonna spend about forty five minutes
Speaker 1: today talking to Cowboys football with you. Guys. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have here coming up shortly. Bucky Brooks will be joining us.
Speaker 1: He'll have some insight on the Minnesota Vikings defense versus
Speaker 1: a Cowboys offense. We're also going to have a topic
Speaker 1: today that Nick brought up to me. If you were
Speaker 1: listening to the show yesterday, you heard Bucky make reference
Speaker 1: to this idea of a truck or trailer and if
Speaker 1: you don't know what that means, just stay tuned. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about it a little bit later. But that's gonna
Speaker 1: be an interesting topic we'll get into. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about Dak Prescott. Is he a truck or a trailer?
Speaker 1: Through that in the second segment of today's show, and
Speaker 1: then we'll get some fan questions in the final segment
Speaker 1: that Amber's pulled together from you guys out there on Twitter.
Speaker 1: By the way, if you want to send some questions,
Speaker 1: you can also hit me on Twitter at Derek Eagleton
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry at the Eagleton I think it is
Speaker 1: and you can and I'll take some questions there as well.
Speaker 1: All right, so let's first get some updates on some injuries.
Speaker 1: Let's start with Tyler Battish. He did not practice yesterday.
Speaker 1: Has a hamstring injury. Dave, how long is he expected
Speaker 1: to be out at this point or do we know? Well,
Speaker 1: we've kind of we figured when it happened that you're
Speaker 1: probably talking about a multiple week injury. I would guess
Speaker 1: somewhere between two and four. You know, Mike McCarthy hates
Speaker 1: giving timelines, but you can kind of read between the
Speaker 1: lines and think that he was not placed on IR,
Speaker 1: and especially in a season where IR is only three games,
Speaker 1: that gives you optimism that it's not super long term.
Speaker 1: So he's not gonna play against Minnesota, but and probably
Speaker 1: not Thanksgiving either because it's you know, short week, but
Speaker 1: maybe Baltimore or the week after that, Like I would
Speaker 1: guess it's too Like I said two to four, just
Speaker 1: depending Nick, do you expect it when Beatist is back
Speaker 1: that he will jump back into the starting lineup or
Speaker 1: they will they stick with their original starter, who's Joe Looney. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that depends on what happens here in these games.
Speaker 1: Especially you know, if if Looney plays against Washington in
Speaker 1: a couple of week a week I guess a week
Speaker 1: from today. It's just because we saw what happened the
Speaker 1: first time around, and you know, maybe you need a
Speaker 1: veteran presence in there that that will help push the
Speaker 1: pile more So. I just think that it'll it'll come
Speaker 1: down to who's playing better. I mean, I thought Louney
Speaker 1: played a pretty good game decent, I guess against Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: and and you know, I think that they want to
Speaker 1: see Beotish, but he's gonna have to be head and
Speaker 1: shoulders above. You know what Joe Looney is and you
Speaker 1: gotta just factor in how they're playing and how the
Speaker 1: team is playing. As you know, if it's two losses,
Speaker 1: then probably be Odish Amber. How much do you think
Speaker 1: that this time away is hurting Beodist. We've talked about
Speaker 1: digs and how he was progressing throughout the season. This
Speaker 1: is another one of they're promising rookies. How much does
Speaker 1: this hurt him at this point? I mean, it's always
Speaker 1: gonna hurt a rookie, but I think because of the
Speaker 1: nature of the position, I think this is a situation
Speaker 1: where I see it hurt him more a cornerback rather
Speaker 1: than a center, a guy that plays the center, and
Speaker 1: he's been doing a good job and all of that.
Speaker 1: And you know, sitting to Mike McCarthy, I hate how
Speaker 1: secretive he tries to be. Like, I get it, But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I mean, what's the difference of
Speaker 1: you just saying, Okay, Joe Luini's gonna be our guy,
Speaker 1: or no, we're maybe thinking of having Beardish back in
Speaker 1: the makes here pretty soon. I don't get that part,
Speaker 1: but clearly he's trying to maintain all his o line
Speaker 1: combinations a secret and hopefully hopefully for something good. I'm
Speaker 1: still waiting to see good, but hopefully it gets better.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. Let's talk about Randy Gregory.
Speaker 1: He is not He did not practice yesterday and Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy said he doesn't expect him to practice the day.
Speaker 1: It is an illness. Do we know anything more about
Speaker 1: where this is or is this something that that would
Speaker 1: maybe start to get to a point where it affects
Speaker 1: his ability to play this weekend? We know it's not
Speaker 1: COVID related. That's about it. So not really, I mean, typically,
Speaker 1: I always that's a really interesting football thing. I think
Speaker 1: is you know, well, I mean even you know, if
Speaker 1: you catch if you catch a cold or the flu,
Speaker 1: you're probably you know, it can be like a multi
Speaker 1: weak thing. But even if it's just a little thing
Speaker 1: three or four days, most of us, you know, football
Speaker 1: players are typically back on the field after missing like
Speaker 1: one day of practice because they've got or play through
Speaker 1: it or play through well yeah, but sometimes but you know,
Speaker 1: you've got these staffs that will give you a Z
Speaker 1: pack or just hook you up to an IV and
Speaker 1: just basically flush it out of you. In a day
Speaker 1: so I do. I can't count how many times I've
Speaker 1: seen a guy listed with an illness who's back at
Speaker 1: practice the next day. So the fact that it's two
Speaker 1: days in a row for Randy is is interesting to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it means for the weekend, but
Speaker 1: I mean, Nick, would you agree with that? Like, it's
Speaker 1: pretty I feel like it's pretty unique for a guy
Speaker 1: to miss multiple days of practice with an illness. It is.
Speaker 1: It's also unique that you can't cough anymore and without
Speaker 1: people looking at you and going like, what's going on here?
Speaker 1: So like like I wonder if and I don't know this,
Speaker 1: I just wonder if when it comes to that, it's
Speaker 1: you're even more are cautious about it. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you go back and look at the Steelers and the
Speaker 1: guy that was tested positive for COVID, I mean he
Speaker 1: was advanced McDonald. I believe that he was on the
Speaker 1: injury report with an illness just a couple of days before,
Speaker 1: So you know you have to I'm not saying they're
Speaker 1: all related. I just think I think now used to
Speaker 1: be that that was the one thing you saw on
Speaker 1: the injury report and you weren't really worried about it.
Speaker 1: Now when you see it, everyone kind of freaks out, like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, is it a knees and a back? Now
Speaker 1: it's an illness, And so I think I think that
Speaker 1: there's more cautious about it. Yeah, you just think about
Speaker 1: it from the standpoint of how we're all being told.
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about just us that work for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. I'm talking about in general. People are being
Speaker 1: told if you feel sick, stay home. Right as before,
Speaker 1: you know, you got some coal symptoms. You're like, if
Speaker 1: I if I feel okay, I'll still go to work.
Speaker 1: I'll be fine. I can just go, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of go through it. Whereas now, like I think most people,
Speaker 1: as Nick said, you start coughing everybody around you, He's like,
Speaker 1: why are you here? You shouldn't be here if you're coughing? Right?
Speaker 1: How much? How much not to like derail it, but
Speaker 1: like life is just gonna be so different even when
Speaker 1: this is all old. Yeah, Like the number of times
Speaker 1: that I've come into work with the sniffles because I
Speaker 1: felt terrible, but not so terrible that I couldn't work.
Speaker 1: Like nobody's gonna do that anymore, or you shouldn't really
Speaker 1: you know, I think that's regular life as a working
Speaker 1: adult in America. We take work very seriously and so
Speaker 1: we don't typically take time to get ourselves healthy when
Speaker 1: we're not feeling good. We just work right through it.
Speaker 1: And COVID I think changes that quite a bit. So
Speaker 1: maybe again, I'm not saying that that Randy has COVID,
Speaker 1: and that's not what I'm saying at All I'm saying
Speaker 1: is all it takes is a cold. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: there are probably gonna be people that are gonna say, Randy,
Speaker 1: stay at home, Like, just stay at home, Let's see
Speaker 1: how this goes, see if you feel better in a
Speaker 1: couple of days and then come on back, versus just
Speaker 1: kind of working through it. I know what you're laughing at, Nick,
Speaker 1: stop it. No, No, you don't, I promise you thought honestly,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. I was just thinking about the fact
Speaker 1: that we've all done it, or we've seen people there.
Speaker 1: You know, you've been in a movie theater and someone
Speaker 1: like sneaks in a coke because I don't want to
Speaker 1: pay or PEPSI they don't want to, you know, have
Speaker 1: like a nine pay nine dollars one and they just
Speaker 1: coughs because they're open up the can. Man, you do
Speaker 1: that now, and it's like, get this guy out of here.
Speaker 1: I don't care what the soft drink he's coughing on me.
Speaker 1: You know, you're just trying to like cover it up.
Speaker 1: People cover up lots of things with coughs. You can't
Speaker 1: do that anymore. First of all, I question I question
Speaker 1: people that decide they want to go sit in the
Speaker 1: movies theater for two hours these days and watch a
Speaker 1: movie and have food and drinks. But that's just my thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine when I'll want to do that again. No,
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. All right, let's real quick. Zach Martin.
Speaker 1: He was limited yesterday with a calf injury. It sounds
Speaker 1: like it's not much, but as we've learned here, you
Speaker 1: never go the route of saying it's not much. You
Speaker 1: always have to keep an eye on it. What are
Speaker 1: you guys here? Uh, Mike McCarry went, I'm Nick's laughing
Speaker 1: because he's still dealing with a calf injury from two
Speaker 1: summers ago or was it last summer athlete? Non athlete exactly?
Speaker 1: There you go, Um, that's fair. I mean over forty
Speaker 1: non athlete shouldn't be out there. You get hurt, you
Speaker 1: get you know, it'll take two years to get back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Zack Martin, what are they saying day? I think
Speaker 1: Zack Martin will be fine for Sunday. Mike said this
Speaker 1: morning that it's really more precautionary than anything. He said,
Speaker 1: they want to be very cautious the week after a
Speaker 1: bye week, just Eason back into practice. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a tweak, but I don't I don't think it'll
Speaker 1: be a big deal for the weekend. And I would
Speaker 1: assume they're probably being even more cautious this year because
Speaker 1: they didn't even have those practices last week that they
Speaker 1: thought they would have because they had to kind of
Speaker 1: do everything a lot of things virtually. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: it probably makes a lot of sense that they're going
Speaker 1: to ease him back in. Here's what's gonna do. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and head to an early break. Here,
Speaker 1: we got Bucky on the line. We'll come back from
Speaker 1: the break. We'll jump right in with Bucky. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about this Minnesota defense versus a Cowboys offense. We'll do
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Speaker 1: Break Life from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start,
Speaker 1: we got Bucky Brooks joining us from NFL Network. We're
Speaker 1: talking today about the Cowboys offense versus the Vikings defense,
Speaker 1: and I can start today with asking you our general
Speaker 1: question because this defense to me seems kind of like
Speaker 1: they're very, very just middle of the road. So tell
Speaker 1: me what is the best thing that they do and
Speaker 1: the thing the way that they're most vulnerable. You know,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. This is the worst defense that Mike
Speaker 1: Zimmer's ever had up in Minnesota. And that's because he's
Speaker 1: created such a high standard for production and performance on
Speaker 1: that side of the ball. But this is the worst
Speaker 1: when it comes to total defense, scoring defense down at
Speaker 1: the bottom of the act. That's it. They started to
Speaker 1: play well the last few weeks. And I will say
Speaker 1: the guy that we always talk about will be Eric Kendricks,
Speaker 1: because Eric Kendricks is the leader in the middle of
Speaker 1: the defense. He's a traffic cop. He's the one that
Speaker 1: kind of handles all the communication, making sure that everyone
Speaker 1: is lined up. But his partner, Eric Wilson, is an
Speaker 1: absolute stud. Three sacks, three interceptions, a couple of force
Speaker 1: fambles and fumber recoveries. He is all over the field.
Speaker 1: And so I would say what is different about this
Speaker 1: version of the Vikings and the passage has always been
Speaker 1: about their front four and who they have upfront. News
Speaker 1: some decent guys up front, but these second level defenders,
Speaker 1: Wilson and Kendricks, they are the ones that get it done.
Speaker 1: And they've been able to incorporate a bunch of young
Speaker 1: guys in the secondary. And so it's still a work
Speaker 1: in progress, but as a defense that is trending upward
Speaker 1: after getting off to a very very slow start. Bucky,
Speaker 1: I want to know how much her quarterback is going
Speaker 1: to struggle in this game, and just in general, whether
Speaker 1: that's you talking about their defensive line in creating pressure
Speaker 1: or just maybe protecting the ball down the field and
Speaker 1: just you know, against the passing game and all that
Speaker 1: just tell me how much or how concerned I should
Speaker 1: be about the quarterback situation in this game. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you always have to be concerned about the
Speaker 1: backup quarterback starting and then what Kelly Moore is going
Speaker 1: to do to help him. If Kelly Moore treats Andy
Speaker 1: Dalt like he's Dak Prescott and they throw the ball
Speaker 1: forty to forty five times, it's a recipe for disaster
Speaker 1: because Mike Zimmer is going to take away Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 1: and he probably has Tony Pollitt high on the priority
Speaker 1: sheet to slow him down, and he wants to put
Speaker 1: the game on Andy Dalton's shoulders. And with the offensive
Speaker 1: line still being relatively inexperienced, they want to go with
Speaker 1: that double a gap. Look, they're gonna show pressure, they're
Speaker 1: gonna fall out, they're gonna bring some pressure, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna put a lot of heat on the quarterback. And
Speaker 1: so it's really important that Dallas is balanced, that they're
Speaker 1: able to have some symbolis of a running game so
Speaker 1: they don't get into a traditional straight drop back passing
Speaker 1: game because you don't want to face Mike Zimmer when
Speaker 1: he's dowland it up and being a mad scientist as
Speaker 1: a play caller. This feels like a pretty classic case
Speaker 1: of like the NFL being not for long, Bucky, because
Speaker 1: I mean, these teams played last year and the Vikings
Speaker 1: rolled in with Daniel Hunter, Everson Griffin, Lynvall, Joseph. They
Speaker 1: don't have any of those guys right now. They don't
Speaker 1: even have Yannick and Gagway, who they traded for at
Speaker 1: the start of the season. So if I am to
Speaker 1: assume that Terrence Steele is starting, and that is what
Speaker 1: worries me, So who I mean, who am I looking
Speaker 1: out for at left end? Like do they have a
Speaker 1: pass rusher that I need to be losing sleep about? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if they have anyone that
Speaker 1: you need to be necessarily loving sleepover. But what they've
Speaker 1: been able to do is kind of do it collectively,
Speaker 1: Like they've been getting a handful of guys. If he
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a tough knit time with his last
Speaker 1: name Otahbo has three sacks, two and a half sacks,
Speaker 1: and he has the ability to come off the pad
Speaker 1: off the edge. Really, what they do is they kind
Speaker 1: of do it like smoking mirrors by disguise and design.
Speaker 1: So they'll put six guys up at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they'll bring all six sometimes they add another one
Speaker 1: to bring seven. Sometimes they'll show that look and drop
Speaker 1: out where they test you. It is not from an
Speaker 1: individual standpoint, but from a communication standpoint a can we
Speaker 1: communicate who's live, who's the point man, who do you have?
Speaker 1: Can you handle the twist and games and stunts up front?
Speaker 1: And if you're not sounding in that area, that's when
Speaker 1: they hit the quarterback. And so it was a defense
Speaker 1: that really struggled at the beginning of the year trying
Speaker 1: to get the pieces of the postle together. But now
Speaker 1: he's kind of simplified a little bit. Mike Zimmer has
Speaker 1: been playing with better technique and their sound, and the
Speaker 1: ball isn't flying over the head, and so now they're
Speaker 1: having a they're doing a better job of containing and
Speaker 1: winning up front. But it's not one individual, it's really
Speaker 1: a collective and collaborative effort to create the pressure on
Speaker 1: the quarterback. But you said earlier this week than Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton doesn't need to be a superhero. He also said
Speaker 1: just now that you feel like Zimmer is probably gonna
Speaker 1: make him try to beat him. So how does he
Speaker 1: beat the Vikings without being a superhero? How do you
Speaker 1: kind of how does he need to balance that. I
Speaker 1: think the thing that Andy Dalton has to remember is
Speaker 1: who he is and where he's at in the stage
Speaker 1: of his career. And I think sometimes the temptation is
Speaker 1: to try and prove to the football world that hey,
Speaker 1: I'm still the starting quarterback, I still can make these plays.
Speaker 1: I'm still a franchise guy or whatever. And I think
Speaker 1: he has to understand I just need to let the
Speaker 1: offense work for me. He has three talented wide receivers
Speaker 1: that can do a lot for him. His job is
Speaker 1: just to basically get them to rock and get out
Speaker 1: the way. And so I think some of that can
Speaker 1: be assisted and aided by Kellen Moore making sure that
Speaker 1: he doesn't put the quarterback in a situation where he
Speaker 1: feels like he has to make these hero throws. Just
Speaker 1: set the offense up much like they did with Gilbert,
Speaker 1: quick rhythm throws on early downs, get into second and short.
Speaker 1: Now you have the option to run or pass on
Speaker 1: second and third down, get another first down, kind of
Speaker 1: do the same things. And so as much as I
Speaker 1: put it on Andy Dalton, I think Kellen Moore also
Speaker 1: has to know, Hey, I don't have a superhero at quarterback.
Speaker 1: Let's just manage the offense. Let's just make sure we
Speaker 1: play in a very efficient manner and let our defense
Speaker 1: and special teams set us up. Hey, Bucky, this question
Speaker 1: is going to kind of cross over a little bit
Speaker 1: to other units on the team. But right now, Minnesota's
Speaker 1: ranked dead last in the league. An average starting field
Speaker 1: position of their opponents there on average starting at their
Speaker 1: own thirty four, which you know, that's ten yards more
Speaker 1: almost ten yards more than what you would get just
Speaker 1: in a touchback. That being said, is this an issue
Speaker 1: with their special teams? This is an issue with turnovers
Speaker 1: on offense. What would you pinpoint as the primary problem
Speaker 1: that's causing this and is it something that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are positioned to be able to take advantage of. Well,
Speaker 1: the number one time, number one thing that shows up
Speaker 1: whenever you look at the stat and you see that
Speaker 1: is special teams are okay, Like they're fine there. But
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins had a lot of issues with turnovers early
Speaker 1: in the year, to the point where even he said,
Speaker 1: man if I keep playing like this, they're going to
Speaker 1: bench me. Now. Since that point, over the last three games,
Speaker 1: he's been better. And the reason he has been better
Speaker 1: in terms of managing the turnovers is because we've got
Speaker 1: more Dalvin Cook. The more they give the ball the
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook, the better it is for their offense. And
Speaker 1: they are unapologetically stubborn when it comes to the run game.
Speaker 1: They don't care if you stopping on first, second, and
Speaker 1: third down. They're going to get it. They have a
Speaker 1: pitch down where Dalvin Cook is going to touch the
Speaker 1: ball twenty to twenty five times on the ground and
Speaker 1: at some point they believe that the damn is going
Speaker 1: to break. And then when they're able to run the football,
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins gets to play the role that he's best
Speaker 1: suited to play, and that is as kind of like
Speaker 1: a complimentary weapon in the backfield. He can throw it
Speaker 1: down the field, he can get the feeling and Jefferson.
Speaker 1: So some of their issues were due to the early
Speaker 1: season turnovers and fumbles putting their defense in harm's way. Bucky, earlier,
Speaker 1: you mentioned how obviously they're gonna try to stop the
Speaker 1: run if they are successful at that and limit Zeke
Speaker 1: and Tony Pollard, who would be a guy that you're
Speaker 1: looking for the Cowboys to that would need or could
Speaker 1: possibly have somewhat of a success in this game as
Speaker 1: far as the offense goes, and aside from the quarterback position, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, any of the wide receivers can go off.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you. The young
Speaker 1: guys that the Minnesota Vikings are playing on the outside,
Speaker 1: they're still trying to figure it out. Cam Danzley what
Speaker 1: I liked when he was coming out of Mississippi State.
Speaker 1: Jeff Gladney from TCU, Chris Boyd like, those guys are fine,
Speaker 1: but they're still trying to find their way. Now, Zim,
Speaker 1: we're trying to cover them up by playing some zone.
Speaker 1: But the difficulty in dealing with the cowboys that make
Speaker 1: sure that you want to stop Zeke Elliott is you
Speaker 1: have to leave those guys in one on one and
Speaker 1: so there's gonna be some opportunities there for Mary Cooper,
Speaker 1: CD Lamb and Michael Gallop to make plays. Is how
Speaker 1: does Kellen Moore get to those playmaking opportunities? And can
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton cash in those lottery tickets when they do
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to strike up the band that actually
Speaker 1: that that plays into what I wanted to ask, because
Speaker 1: you know, obviously it's it's looked pretty rough since Dack
Speaker 1: went out. You know, Dalton struggled in the two games
Speaker 1: that he had to play, and then you know you're
Speaker 1: looking at Bend Nucci and Garrett Gilbert obviously, but with
Speaker 1: the line, the offensive line being a little bit healthier
Speaker 1: and this Minnesota defense not being as good as what
Speaker 1: we're used to seeing up there, would it maybe be
Speaker 1: smart to like lean on the pass. You know, And
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about where we keep talking about
Speaker 1: wanting to ride Ezekiel Elliott and use that to limit
Speaker 1: the mistakes. But are you better off can Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: take advantage of this secondary because it does seem like
Speaker 1: there's some pretty favorable matchups there to where maybe you
Speaker 1: want to throw to set up the run because that's
Speaker 1: a more favorable option than just charging it to a
Speaker 1: stack box like that. I mean, there's some certainly some
Speaker 1: validity to taking that approach. I think the thing that
Speaker 1: you have to be cautious of is it's fine to
Speaker 1: kind of start out throwing like maybe the first fifteen
Speaker 1: right the opening script that maybe you have eight to
Speaker 1: ten passes on the script, but those passes should be
Speaker 1: more ball control than nature. And so I'm not advocating
Speaker 1: like Hey, just keep pounding in the Zeke like, don't
Speaker 1: don't worry about trying to take shots. But what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is, I think the difference was when we saw
Speaker 1: Gilbert's game plan. The game plan was a very controlled
Speaker 1: passing attack. Everything was kind of within ten yards. There
Speaker 1: were these first down why option passes to Shultz, things
Speaker 1: that were very simple and high completion percentage throws. So
Speaker 1: if they take that approach, absolutely you can do that
Speaker 1: with Dalton. But this is a bombs away game plan
Speaker 1: where Kelly Moore is doaling it up and they're trying
Speaker 1: to take these shots over and over and over again.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can give the ball back to
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings offense a ton of times and think
Speaker 1: that the Dallas defense is going to hold up against
Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook in that running game. And so it's a
Speaker 1: delicate balance. It's a fine line. Yes, you want to
Speaker 1: be aggressive on offense, but you want to do so
Speaker 1: while still remaining a little more ball controls centric, trying
Speaker 1: to really retain possession of the football. Bucky, this question
Speaker 1: is not really about the game or general. He said yesterday,
Speaker 1: two types of quarterbacks a truck or a trailer My
Speaker 1: question is do you feel like Dak Prescott is a
Speaker 1: truck or a trailer. Well, I think this year he
Speaker 1: has shown that he is a trailer because I think
Speaker 1: when you see the dramatic falloff, I mean he shown
Speaker 1: that he's a truck this year when you see the
Speaker 1: dramatic falloff in the offense from the beginning of the
Speaker 1: year to where we are now. Oh, I think he
Speaker 1: answered all those questions. I think we've seen that he
Speaker 1: was covering up for a lot of flaws that we
Speaker 1: didn't even know that he was dealing with. And so
Speaker 1: from the offensive line to Ezekiel Elliott underperforming, to the
Speaker 1: defense not being able to really stop anybody, he single
Speaker 1: handedly was able to keep the team competitive ending games.
Speaker 1: So I think, if anything, he moved into a different category.
Speaker 1: Even though I kind of felt like he proved that
Speaker 1: last year when he was ringing up these big numbers,
Speaker 1: I think he confirmed it this year that he is
Speaker 1: in a different category, that he's absolutely a truck and
Speaker 1: he is pulling the seam along. We appreciate you joining us, Bucky.
Speaker 1: We're actually gonna take that conversation and we're gonna dig
Speaker 1: in a little bit more here in the final segment.
Speaker 1: But we appreciate you giving us the insight on the
Speaker 1: vitings give us before we But Amber, I was about
Speaker 1: I thought you were just saying bite to him. I
Speaker 1: was about to say, give us what's gonna happen this
Speaker 1: week and give us your tradition. So the biggest thing
Speaker 1: here is um. I think this is ultimately kind of
Speaker 1: like the deciding fact of what happens with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: We would get a chance to see how far they
Speaker 1: progressed with the running game. I believe that they're better.
Speaker 1: I believe that they're more physical. I believe that Marcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence is certainly playing better, and Neville Gallimore has given
Speaker 1: them something. I think the magic number is one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty five. They have to keep Dalvin Cook under
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five yards. I'm not gonna sit
Speaker 1: the bar and say he has to be under one hundred,
Speaker 1: but he has to keep him under one twenty five.
Speaker 1: He can't dominate the game. I think it's there for
Speaker 1: them to do it. But the guy who wears the
Speaker 1: big sombrero, and I know we got we hate this,
Speaker 1: Jaylen Smith is gonna have the ball out if Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith doesn't ball out, that's gonna be a problem. If
Speaker 1: he's running around and not disciplining gaps they're gonna run through.
Speaker 1: He's gonna slit the defense. He'll have two hundred yards rushing.
Speaker 1: So Jaylen Smith is the one that where's the big sombrero?
Speaker 1: This week? Sounds hard? That's a big that's a big gass.
Speaker 1: But we'll see. We appreciate you joining us, Bucky. We're
Speaker 1: gonna take our final break. We'll come back. We're gonna
Speaker 1: jump into this topic of trailer or truck on Dak Prescott.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back. Final segment of the Break a Life from
Speaker 1: the s WBC Mortgage studios at the Star. As Bucky
Speaker 1: talked about in the last segment, we're going to dive
Speaker 1: into this conversation a little bit on this truck or trailer.
Speaker 1: Nick asked the question about Dak Prescott. Just so everybody's aware.
Speaker 1: I think the concept here is that you know you're
Speaker 1: either a truck or a trailer as a quarterback, either
Speaker 1: a guy that can pull the weight, you're the truck,
Speaker 1: or you're a guy that's kind of being pulled along,
Speaker 1: you're the trailer. And Nick brought up the question to
Speaker 1: me last night, and my first thought was, well, of course,
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna say truck. And then as we started to
Speaker 1: talk about it, it seemed like there were some areas
Speaker 1: where you could at least make the you could at
Speaker 1: least have a discussion about is he really a truck?
Speaker 1: Are we seeing signs that maybe he could be a truck?
Speaker 1: But is he really there yet? So Nick, I'll let
Speaker 1: you first take this question. Tell me your thoughts. Well,
Speaker 1: I obviously believe that you know, you can develop into
Speaker 1: a truck if you will. Russell Wilson I think has
Speaker 1: done that, and I think Dak has has jumped into
Speaker 1: that category as well. But I think you have to
Speaker 1: make the case if he wasn't always that, if he's
Speaker 1: kind of and I think Bucky said it, I agree
Speaker 1: with him. Last maybe a couple of years he's moved
Speaker 1: into that. But what is he what is he pulling?
Speaker 1: Because they're they're ten and eleven, in the last two
Speaker 1: years since he became this truck. So you see the
Speaker 1: right truck. Is he you know, is he is he
Speaker 1: a monster truck or is he just one of those
Speaker 1: you know, you know, like like what it also like
Speaker 1: what's he pulling here? So I think I think it's
Speaker 1: it's an interesting question because you're about to pay this
Speaker 1: guy forty million dollars a year, and so I don't know,
Speaker 1: like I think it's it's I think you have to
Speaker 1: make the case that, you know, maybe he does he
Speaker 1: need great players around him. And I still think that
Speaker 1: he does. I think twenty eighteen was an example of that.
Speaker 1: They weren't going anywhere until they got him Maarty Cooper
Speaker 1: and then things kind of took off. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a bad thing to say maybe
Speaker 1: he's a trailer. I mean, he's a really good one.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying I think he needs great players
Speaker 1: around him. Dave, who are who are all these quarterbacks
Speaker 1: that don't need great players around him? Like That's that's
Speaker 1: where I go in this conversation. There's in my opinion,
Speaker 1: there's Aaron Rodgers. There's one, there's one, and there's one.
Speaker 1: But I will say the Homes I will, I will, yeah, Mahomes,
Speaker 1: but have great players we've we've ever seen. Pat Mahomes
Speaker 1: has an amazing offensive line, Tyree Hill, Travis Kelsey, Sammy Watkins,
Speaker 1: Nicole Hartman. Oh and by the way, they drafted Clyde
Speaker 1: Edwards Hilaire in the first round, just as like window
Speaker 1: dressing on this already amazing offense. So I've never seen.
Speaker 1: Do I believe that he would still be great without it?
Speaker 1: He'll be great when they when they're going, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: do I believe that. Yes, is there any proof that
Speaker 1: that's true. No, Deshaun Watson, tons of people love to
Speaker 1: say that he's better than Dak How's he doing without
Speaker 1: any help? They look terrible? Um, Aaron Rodgers is the one.
Speaker 1: He is the one guy that has, over the course
Speaker 1: of his career, been able to make it work with less, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, everybody in Green Bay is pissed off
Speaker 1: that they didn't really give him any weapons after losing
Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game. They drafted a quarterback they could
Speaker 1: have had. You know, maybe they trade up and get
Speaker 1: like a Justin Jefferson and who knows how good they look.
Speaker 1: So Aaron Rodgers probably wants weapons. And for that matter,
Speaker 1: when he was Dak's age, he had Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Um,
Speaker 1: you know he had Um, I'm blanking on his name. Jones,
Speaker 1: Greg Jennings, Um, Donald Jones, Donal Donald Driver, Donald Driver, Hime. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say Donald DRIs before him, right, No, James, Yes,
Speaker 1: James Jones, Jamesons, thank you so much. I'm sorry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out to the Qus point being, there just aren't
Speaker 1: very many quarterbacks who still look great without having great weapons.
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't buy that argument at all,
Speaker 1: and I do think it is it is a very
Speaker 1: worthwhile and fair talking point that the Cowboys record has
Speaker 1: not been wonderful in the time since Dak took this leap.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of reasons for that. I
Speaker 1: don't think most of it has to do with the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Would you guys throw Lamar Jackson in that category you
Speaker 1: just said you kind of think about which quarterbacks. I
Speaker 1: don't know that he has a great supporting cast. He's
Speaker 1: got some average guys, but I think he's the straw
Speaker 1: that makes that drink work right. Well, Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: I mean, I forget tom Brady. Let's not forget like
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and Trade Manning. I mean those guys well
Speaker 1: during during his career, I would tell you that about
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. I don't think that's the case anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: certainly don't think that's the case anymore. In the in
Speaker 1: the prime of his prime, tom Brady made it work
Speaker 1: with lesser players. Um, Peyton again, do I still think
Speaker 1: that they would be great? Yes, Peyton Manning played with
Speaker 1: Hall of famers basically his entire career. Marvin Harrison, Reggie,
Speaker 1: Wayne Edge, James, you know, not a Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: but Brandon Stokely and Dallas Clark were great players in
Speaker 1: their day. Got to play with Welker and peaked him,
Speaker 1: Marius Thomas when he was so still not buying it, um,
Speaker 1: and for that hold on all those all those guys
Speaker 1: you just mentioned. Though, I believe that the quarterback made
Speaker 1: them great. They go somewhere else, they're not that good.
Speaker 1: I mean I think that. I think the quarterback makes
Speaker 1: them great. So you can make the argument he makes
Speaker 1: Cooper wasn't going anywhere. He makes them Cooper he I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously it all ties in together. I'm just I get
Speaker 1: I think it's it's not dishonest, it's it's like a
Speaker 1: straw man to say, like, well, he needs great players around,
Speaker 1: because the fact of the matter is most quarterbacks do,
Speaker 1: like the vast majority of them, Lamar Jackson, they're struggling
Speaker 1: this year. Their offense doesn't look all that uh you know,
Speaker 1: I know, you know, they've had injuries. Everybody's had injuries.
Speaker 1: But that's when I look at it, Like I said,
Speaker 1: I think there's it's a very interesting case that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys record has not been great in this time since
Speaker 1: Dak has has taken these leaps, But there's no more
Speaker 1: than there's no more than three quarterbacks in the NFL
Speaker 1: right now that I think are definitively better than him.
Speaker 1: So I absolutely think he's a truck. I will say this.
Speaker 1: I look at it maybe a little bit differently. I
Speaker 1: don't look at it so much as he has to
Speaker 1: pull all the weight with no help. I look at
Speaker 1: it as is he capable of pulling the weight knowing
Speaker 1: that when he goes into a game, he is the
Speaker 1: best of what they do, right So, and that's two
Speaker 1: different things. To me, that's still a truck, and I
Speaker 1: think that that's what we've seen from Dak Is at
Speaker 1: least earlier this season. What we saw was they went
Speaker 1: into games where they were having to rely on him.
Speaker 1: I should even say they went into games by the
Speaker 1: second quarter they were having to rely on him because
Speaker 1: of the circumstance, and he was able to deliver, and
Speaker 1: he was able to get them back in position where
Speaker 1: even if they didn't win, they were in position to
Speaker 1: be able to win by the end of the game.
Speaker 1: So I look at it from that standpoint. I say
Speaker 1: that that's why I would believe he is a truck
Speaker 1: is because it is turning to where now he is
Speaker 1: the best of what they do. And I think when
Speaker 1: it comes to next year, if everything continues as it
Speaker 1: is with Zeke, I think he will be the best
Speaker 1: of what they do. Zeke will be the complimentary piece
Speaker 1: to Dak's passing game. With the receivers that he has.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to do it by himself, but he
Speaker 1: certainly has a big hand in whatever's going to be
Speaker 1: their success. Jeff some Nickel that anything I was, well,
Speaker 1: I didn't know if everybody was contributing. I just thought
Speaker 1: that they all seem very passionate about this subject. So
Speaker 1: I'm just listening to you guys. Yeah, I'll say this though,
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't think the problem so
Speaker 1: much is Dak And if it's he's the best guy
Speaker 1: or the I just don't think the Cowboys are structured
Speaker 1: well enough to to make this work. If he's going
Speaker 1: to make forty million a year, I just I don't.
Speaker 1: You can't have your quarterback make forty million a year.
Speaker 1: You can't have one of the highest paid running backs,
Speaker 1: highest paid guards, highest paid tackles, highest paid receiver. You
Speaker 1: can't have all of that. It's so that's what happens
Speaker 1: when a guys get injured there you have no depth
Speaker 1: behind you. So right now now they're paying what So
Speaker 1: they just can't They can't function that way, and neither
Speaker 1: could have Houston and look what happened. So it's I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's a scary thought. It's a scary thought
Speaker 1: to think you have a thirty one million dollar quarterback
Speaker 1: and the team is the team around him is not
Speaker 1: good at all, and now you're gonna make him a
Speaker 1: forty million dollars quarterback. It's it's scary. Something's got to give.
Speaker 1: And so I'm not saying it's Dak, but it's gonna
Speaker 1: be somebody else, Okay, not gonna have all those three receivers.
Speaker 1: So let's assume for a second that you take a
Speaker 1: Marie Cooper out of the mix. Let's assume, for it
Speaker 1: take a second that you take Zeke Elliott out of
Speaker 1: the mix. And let's assume that with Zeke, you're you
Speaker 1: go out and you get yourself a second round running back,
Speaker 1: which you can get good quality running back value in
Speaker 1: the second third round even right. Let's assume you get
Speaker 1: a guy like that, and and you have the two
Speaker 1: receivers that you still have left. Do you think that
Speaker 1: DAK is good enough to win with that cast? If
Speaker 1: you take out Amari Cooper and you take out Zeke
Speaker 1: Elliott because of their contracts, and and you're paying him
Speaker 1: forty million, and you're gonna have to take some of
Speaker 1: those contracts off the table taking those two out, do
Speaker 1: you think they're still they can still win? Absolutely? Absolutely
Speaker 1: they can they I mean six and eight? Whoa, that's
Speaker 1: the record. That's his record is his record is six
Speaker 1: and eight. Oh, I've been doing okay, Well, that's what
Speaker 1: his record is. When you don't have that. When Zeke
Speaker 1: was out, they was three and they were three and three, um,
Speaker 1: and those games where he was out and then it
Speaker 1: was a different player here, Dak was a different player
Speaker 1: then right twenty seventeen is I don't even That's not
Speaker 1: even part of the conversation for me in terms of
Speaker 1: like what I think Dak is capable of doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I get what you're saying, Nika, that's the only
Speaker 1: history that we have. But I think he's a very
Speaker 1: different point you don't have. Yeah, Yeah, I think he's
Speaker 1: a very different player too. I do too, because they
Speaker 1: don't have They didn't have a second round running back
Speaker 1: like you just mentioned when when he was running he
Speaker 1: was giving the ball to Rod Smith and Alfred Morris
Speaker 1: and he didn't have that Nick, you know what this
Speaker 1: and I get it, Like I used to think that
Speaker 1: way prior to this year. I used to think that
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott was a guy that absolutely needed all the
Speaker 1: help he could get around him. Until this year I
Speaker 1: started seeing seeing it differently. And you talk about those
Speaker 1: wide receivers, the three main one, but look at what
Speaker 1: they were they have been able to do with Cedric Wilson,
Speaker 1: Noah Brown. The fact that they are able to or
Speaker 1: we are able to start seeing them finally incorporate some
Speaker 1: of those other players that are not your start players
Speaker 1: and flashy players and still be able to show some
Speaker 1: kind of production on the field. Yes, it's absolutely not
Speaker 1: at the level that we want them to be, but
Speaker 1: at the same time, we have started to see different
Speaker 1: elements that are not your starter guys to be able
Speaker 1: to you know, make some plays on the field. So
Speaker 1: to me, I started seeing it this year is absolutely
Speaker 1: I think that Dak Prescott can be that guy. And
Speaker 1: he's shown to take a big, a big, big step
Speaker 1: forward this year, not that many big steps because they're
Speaker 1: not winning pretty big. They're not winning like that's not
Speaker 1: winning football. Like okay, are saying you do you put
Speaker 1: that blame on Dak and the players are do you
Speaker 1: blame the coaching staff and them not being able to
Speaker 1: create the right kind of calls for the players to
Speaker 1: be successful on the field. All I'm saying, I don't know.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is is the teams are saying we're
Speaker 1: gonna let Dak beat us with all these yards and
Speaker 1: stats and all these other players, and they hasn't worked
Speaker 1: that way. I'm just saying that is a fact. Nobody
Speaker 1: on the other side of this WebEx call can argue
Speaker 1: that they can't. You can't. Yeah, but that Dak hasn't
Speaker 1: been a good I'm done. I mean, I'm done. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: like all the stats from the last two years, all
Speaker 1: these numbers, but they're not winning. They're not winning. Is
Speaker 1: that is he better than Troy Aikman because look at
Speaker 1: all these stats or Detroit, I mean, or did they
Speaker 1: just figured out a way to win? Yeah? I don't think, Geordie.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, other than when Troy was here in
Speaker 1: the early two like late nineties, I don't think Troy
Speaker 1: had a defense that was near as bad as what
Speaker 1: this defense has been. And I think I would agree.
Speaker 1: I would say that a lot of the problems they're
Speaker 1: having are not so much about Dak and what Dak
Speaker 1: can't do. I think we're actually seeing that Dak was overperforming.
Speaker 1: I think this defense was so bad he couldn't overcome
Speaker 1: a really, really bad defense. That's not his fault. That
Speaker 1: to me, is a function of they got to do
Speaker 1: something better on defense. They got to figure the defense
Speaker 1: out in this day and age, with the with the
Speaker 1: cost of good quarterback play and the salary cap, there's
Speaker 1: there's like there's two ways to go about it. Is
Speaker 1: I got a quarterback I'm paying top dollar who can
Speaker 1: keep me in every game. Yes, they lost to Seattle
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, they beat Atlanta. They only had a chance
Speaker 1: in those games because of Dak Prescott, and Nick's right,
Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't win. They didn't win. They lost
Speaker 1: two of the three, but they were in them because
Speaker 1: of Prescott. So you take you know, you either you
Speaker 1: have the choice between the quarterback who can keep you
Speaker 1: in every game because he's that good, or you try
Speaker 1: to build like this complete team with lesser quarterback play
Speaker 1: and see where it gets you. And me, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: roll with the quarterback every time because if I mean,
Speaker 1: if he gets hot, or if you you know, hit
Speaker 1: on some draft picks on defense that make your defense
Speaker 1: better than it was, then all of a sudden, maybe
Speaker 1: you're cooking with gas and I just you just have
Speaker 1: to have top notch quarterback play to win in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And like you can throw all those stats you want
Speaker 1: at me about you know, quarterbacks on x amount of
Speaker 1: salary win in super Bowls. That's going to change in
Speaker 1: a hurry. Like that's I mean Okay, Like are the
Speaker 1: does that's that not matter anymore? When Pat Mahomes picks
Speaker 1: up a couple of rings on this contract because he will,
Speaker 1: or you know, Russell Wilson's gonna get another. You know,
Speaker 1: expensive quarterbacks are gonna start winning super Bowls because there's
Speaker 1: no such thing as an inexpensive quarterback anymore. Um, So
Speaker 1: that's that's where I'm at, And I'm yeah, like, Nick's
Speaker 1: totally right. It's gonna be hard to make all of
Speaker 1: this work, and if they pay Dak, they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to make some sacrifices. But give me the sacrifice that
Speaker 1: involves having a quarterback that I feel good about, because
Speaker 1: you can't you can't expect to win in the NFL
Speaker 1: without that, right, And I agree with that, Like I
Speaker 1: think that That's what I'm saying is is that it's
Speaker 1: just scary to think that, you know, Jerry always talks
Speaker 1: about the pie, how many you know, big slice of
Speaker 1: the pie, that Dak has a big slice of the
Speaker 1: pie right now. He's gonna get a bigger slice next year.
Speaker 1: And that's what I would do. I would do that.
Speaker 1: I would not I would not draft a quarterback. I
Speaker 1: don't care where you are, I would go get the
Speaker 1: I would sign Deck. All I'm saying is this team
Speaker 1: is not built right now very well to handle that.
Speaker 1: They're not handling it right now, and like Dave said,
Speaker 1: something's got to give. So that's what's kind of scary.
Speaker 1: He's got a lot of pieces on offense, and you know,
Speaker 1: is it too many? Do we need to have some
Speaker 1: on defense because just outscoring people is not gonna not
Speaker 1: gonna work. It hasn't worked this year. And Nick, with that,
Speaker 1: you bring us full circle all the way back to
Speaker 1: the conversation about tanking, because if they have that how
Speaker 1: high pick, they can rebuild his defense really really quickly. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that. I mean, it's it's fascinating. I
Speaker 1: think we're seeing that this season is like I think, Nick,
Speaker 1: like this this team is not efficiently built, like the
Speaker 1: way that they've allocated their money. Zeke is Zeke was
Speaker 1: a cherry on top of an ice cream Sunday with
Speaker 1: Tony Romo being the main event, you know, and that's
Speaker 1: that's not the case anymore. Same thing, you know, off
Speaker 1: ball linebackers in today's NFL, I'm not sure if you're
Speaker 1: you should pay them seventy million dollars and the Jayalen
Speaker 1: deal looked like a bargain at the time. It's still
Speaker 1: I mean, no, it's not because he's not playing up
Speaker 1: to it. But and that's the problem is now you've
Speaker 1: got to look at this and say, did we allocate
Speaker 1: all of this stuff the right way? And how do
Speaker 1: we fix it so that when we're paying our quarterback
Speaker 1: forty million dollars we can still field a competitive team.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of stuff. I think they
Speaker 1: got some difficult choices in front of them in the
Speaker 1: next two off seasons. That's an interesting point. And actually
Speaker 1: tomorrow what I want to do, I want to go
Speaker 1: into this topic. I'm ask you guys, so be prepared.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you, guys, what's the worst contract this
Speaker 1: team currently has? Because when you start breaking down, as
Speaker 1: you're talking about how they're built and where they've spent
Speaker 1: their money, there's some contracts you look at and you're like, man, this,
Speaker 1: I don't know how you make that work Like this
Speaker 1: is guys aren't playing up to it. On top of that,
Speaker 1: it really makes it very tough to be able to
Speaker 1: manage that in a specially in this situation now where
Speaker 1: you're about to have to pay a quarterback a huge
Speaker 1: amount of money, and you got a whole defense that
Speaker 1: you feel like you got so many pieces of that
Speaker 1: thing that you gotta redesign and rebuild. So we'll ask
Speaker 1: that question tomorrow and get itto that a little bit more.
Speaker 1: This was a good discussion, though we'll pick it up
Speaker 1: at another time. That's the end of the show. That's
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