1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Fourth and goal for the Lions from the four golf takes, 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: the snap fakes, the gear rolls right, gott a man 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: wide open. I'm in Ross Saint Brown one two, three 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: times today touchdown Detroit Lions. Welcome to Week three of 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: the NFL season. I am Tim Twentyman. This is the 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: twenty Men in the Huddle podcast and I am joined 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: by Justin Rogers. He does a great job for the 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: Detroit Football Network. Used to be with the Detroit News, 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: went off on his own. He also does the Lions 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: Collective podcast, which if you haven't heard it, him and 11 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: the collection of guys who cover the beat do a 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: great job there. Thanks for joining me. I appreciate it. 13 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: I clearly forgot I agreed to do this. I got 14 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: all dressed up for this, Tim ready to go. 15 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: Well. 16 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: Hey, one of the things that you do you put 17 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: a lot of time in, and I like that you do, 18 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: is you do the film reviews every week. And I 19 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: have to believe that when you turn that tape on 20 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, it was a much better watch this week 21 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,319 Speaker 1: than when you did, you know, week one coming off 22 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: of Green Bay. What'd you like? What jumped out about 23 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: the tape to you? When you watch that perform which 24 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: against Chicago last week. 25 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: I think the focus clearly is the offense. Right, you 26 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: go from effectively scoring six points. You can, you know, 27 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 2: throw in Tesla's touchdown at the end there, but it 28 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: was a six point performance in my opinion in Green 29 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: Bay to fifty two against Chicago, and obviously those look 30 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 2: very different. I loved the game play John Morton came 31 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 2: up with. You know, all week they talked about getting 32 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: back to who they are and establishing the run, and 33 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: they built in this narrative that you believe that's what 34 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 2: they're gonna do is come out and try to pound 35 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: the rock. And what they did is they almost use 36 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: that to their advantage by setting up the play action. 37 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: And so the very first two drives, first two plays 38 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 2: play action, some explosive games off of that. Then you 39 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: go later in the first half, you get the thirty 40 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: four thirty six yard pass down to the one I'm 41 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: on l Saint Brown. 42 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 4: Play action. 43 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: You get the first and goal touchdown to Brock Right, 44 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: play action. You get the first play of the third quarter, 45 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: the sixty four yard pass Jameson Williams. 46 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: Play action. 47 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: The theme here, it's all of these first down plays. 48 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: It's the plays where you expect the team to run, 49 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: where they ran kind of into a brick wall repeatedly 50 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: against the Packers. They led the Bears to believe that's 51 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: what they were gonna do, and then they went to 52 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 2: their quote unquote bread and butter that Dan Campbell said 53 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 2: they needed to get to in their play action passing, 54 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: and they did it mostly on first downs, and that's, 55 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: you know, was the source of so many of their 56 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 2: explosive plays in this game. I loved that plan of 57 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: attack for more and it showed, you know, I think 58 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: great foresight in how to capitalize on what the Bears 59 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: do best. 60 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: And I think it showed too, if you protect Jared Golf, 61 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: He's an elite quarterback. He could stand there, read the defense, 62 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: deliver the football accuracy accurately. And it was just another 63 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: one of those performances with three hundred plus yards one 64 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty plus rating. How we've gotten used to 65 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: some of those now over the last few years. You 66 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: have to play good offensively upfront in order to do that, 67 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: and in order to do the play action, which you 68 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 1: talked about too, there's added seconds to that operation. When 69 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: you do the play action. What did you think of 70 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,119 Speaker 1: the offensive line? Do you feel a little bit better 71 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: about it after week two than you do than you 72 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: did coming out of week one. 73 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, you have to clean up two parts of that, right. 74 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: You have to clean up the the pass protection. You 75 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: have to clean up the run blocking. I thought the 76 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: pass protection took a major step forward. I don't remember 77 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: exactly the number, but he got hit once twice maybe 78 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: when they had laporta blocking Montes sweat on kind of 79 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 2: the sixty four yard pass to Jmo, Like, there's very 80 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 2: little pressure that Jared Goff faced. When you have that 81 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: kind of time, that kind of clean pocket, and you 82 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: have those weapons, like, it's really hard to fail in 83 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: this league. And it's even harder to fail when you 84 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: have the experience to know where to go with that football. 85 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: Because it is really the run game I think has 86 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: some work to do. And I know the final numbers 87 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 2: were great, one hundred and seventy seven yards five point 88 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: nine yards per carry, but if you look at the 89 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: film and you look at how those yards came to 90 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: be a ton of perimeter runs. Credit to the wide receivers. 91 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: Sam laporta major major performance as a run blocker. A 92 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: lot of great, great perimeter blocking, very little yardage up 93 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: the middle. I think that's the area where this team 94 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: needs to grow. If this offense that, you know, fifty 95 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: two points tough to complain, right, but if you want 96 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: sustained success, you have to run the football between the tackles. 97 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: That's where we need to see growth from Tate, Ratlich, 98 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: Grant Glasgow, Christian Mahogany, the collective together. If this offense 99 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: is going to continue to be one of the leads 100 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: in the NFL. 101 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: And justin you got to think that's going to come 102 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: to with just more time on desk, right, more reps. 103 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: And it's not just well they work together all training camp. 104 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: Why don't they have a figure out? Game reps and 105 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: practice reps are completely different and being able to come 106 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: back and study sixty plus game reps and watch that 107 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: film and learn from it a scheme you're not familiar with, 108 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: a player you're not familiar with, it's very, very different. 109 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: And I think that growth with Ratledge and with Mahogany 110 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: and even Graham. I know he's a veteran player, but 111 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: he's playing with two guys he's never really played with 112 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: next to him, and that matters. And I think we're 113 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: going to continue to see positive steps in that regard. 114 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: You talked about the weapons too, and one that continues 115 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: to marvel me. And we talked to Scotty Montgomery this week, 116 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: and I thought it was really interesting when he talked 117 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: about kind of the subtleties in some of the routes 118 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: and how when you're in the near the goal line, 119 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: how a three yard route and a five yard route 120 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: can look exactly the same, but there's just so many 121 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: subtle differences. And how I'm on ros Saint Brown operates 122 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: in those routes and runs those and the chemistry that 123 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: he has with Jared Golf and how they're on the 124 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: same page. The back shoulder throw right before the half, 125 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: in the corner of the ends, it's a perfect example 126 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: when you watch the film, do you ever still marvel 127 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: at saying? I know we've seen it for so many 128 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: years now, but I still find myself marveling sometimes at 129 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: his little subtleties in his routes, the way he gained 130 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: separation at the top of the route, how Jared'll throw 131 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: it before he's even turned around, just knowing where he's 132 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: gonna be. Do you still marvel at it? 133 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 2: It look, every guy on that rosters more athletic than 134 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: you and me, right, Like, there's there's just impressive physicality 135 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 2: athleticism with each other wrestler, but you have a certain 136 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: appreciation for the greats. I think at Calvin Johnson all 137 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: the time in that conversation, like felt like every day 138 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: we watched a practice he did something where you're just 139 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: like you got to pick your jaw off the floor 140 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: and same brown in this game. There's one play that 141 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 2: really stood out to me, and it was the first 142 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 2: play of the second drive. Wasn't a particularly long gain, 143 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: sixteen yards, you know, a good gain. At the line 144 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: of scrimmage, he's nudged by Penay's brother, so he's got 145 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,119 Speaker 2: to avoid that first comes off as an inbreaking route. 146 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: He's now bracketed by the linebacker Edmunds, a very good 147 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: linebacker and a very good linebacker and coverage. He beats that, 148 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: and he's covered one on one by Jalen Johnson, a 149 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 2: fantastic cornerback who you know had had some plays in 150 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 2: that game before he left, right, and he beats that. 151 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 2: He beats all three golf puts on a perfect ball, 152 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: you know, low in a way that only his receiver 153 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: can get. But it's like, damn, that's that's a really 154 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: fine bit of execution by you know, one of the 155 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: few guys I think that can accomplish that in this league. 156 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: It's what makes him elite. And I got to break 157 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: it up because I think it's it's hilarious. There was 158 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: a play in training camp DJ Miller, you know, cornerback 159 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: they bring in from the USFL or UFL. He broke 160 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: up one of those end zone plays to Amon ros 161 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 2: Saint Brown when it was the second team defense versus 162 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 2: Firsty Muffetts. And like, I don't care what DJ Miller 163 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: does with the rest of his life. He has that because. 164 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: I send me that tape. Can I just put that 165 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: on the phone on my phone? Is a screen saver? Ye? 166 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 2: Like he's so pristine. Yeah, in those those little red 167 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: zone routes, the quick snap off, the one he had 168 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: I thought was a perfect example is the one of 169 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: the very end of the first half with you know, 170 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: just not just an outroute but also coming back toward 171 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: the pylon, giving even that little bit more separation. It's 172 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: so so difficult to stop unless you guess right. And 173 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: so you know, credit to DJ Miller for guessing right. 174 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: Look at DJ Miller. I don't get me a shout 175 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: out a little nitro. I love that all right real quick. 176 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: Before we moved to Monday night at the pass rush, 177 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: it showed a little bit more signs of life. Marcus 178 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: Davenport didn't practice on Thursday. Dan Campbell said, we're gonna 179 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: have to wait till the end of the week, still 180 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: getting some tests there. I think either way that goes 181 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: with Marcus, if he plays or he doesn't play, I 182 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: think we both probably accept or expect al Kadi Muhammad 183 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: to have a bigger role. What did you like about him? 184 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: Dan talked about just the motor that never stops. I 185 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: remember the preseason play where he saved a touchdown where 186 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: he came off the line of scrimmage. I think he 187 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: ran twenty yards downfield, tackled somebody inside the ten yard 188 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: line on a screenplay in the preseason. I said, why 189 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: you know that's one of those hustle plays. It's one 190 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,559 Speaker 1: of those plays that a glue piece on the roster 191 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: kind of makes you know, not one of your main guys, 192 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: but an important depth piece that when he's come when 193 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: he's asked to come in, make some place I thought 194 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: Muhammad did that last week with a couple pressures. He 195 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: had this sack. I think we both expect to see 196 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: a bigger role this week with him. 197 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: Sure, I think back when they signed him, and you know, 198 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: just as I tend to do just a general curiosity. 199 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: I know it was to the practice squad, but they 200 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: needed edged up last year, right, And so I threw 201 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: on his tape from his time in Indie and nothing 202 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 2: stood out. Like I was like, okay, that's a practice 203 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 2: squad body, Like, I don't see it. I know he 204 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: played eight hundred snaps, he had seven or six and 205 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: a half sacks or whatever it was, but like it 206 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 2: wasn't particularly impressive film. And you know, you got to 207 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 2: take in scheme into consideration or whatever. The stat that 208 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 2: I really like pointing out is is last year, you 209 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 2: look at pressure rate, how often are you generating pressure 210 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: per rush attempt? Right, Mohammed's pressure rate was not far 211 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: off from Zadarias Smith. Now he played you know, something 212 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: like forty percent of the snaps, right, So how much 213 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: of that can be extrapolated out over a bigger workload, 214 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: That's what you always want to know. But if you 215 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 2: look at the way Mohammad played last year. It was 216 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 2: a lot of snaps in like fewer games, and so 217 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,599 Speaker 2: you know that he can handle this bigger workload. I 218 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: think it was a big mystery why he didn't play 219 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 2: a lot more in the first game. Then you say, okay, 220 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: they played forty eight snaps. Maybe that makes a lot 221 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 2: of sense. Devenport goes down. He's put in there for 222 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: a bigger workload, and I thought really shined and that's 223 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: a really nice piece to have. He's an absolute bargain 224 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: at his contract, and so it gives you a little 225 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: bit of confidence. You still want to see depth. You know, 226 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: there's still concern about depth. Now you have to bump 227 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: one per something. I mean, somebody else has to come 228 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: up from lower. And you know, when I look at 229 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: the overall pass us picture or sex is good, it's good. 230 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: When did those four secs come to him? They all 231 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: came in the second half, when the score was getting 232 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: away from hi Pen your years back. That's when obviously 233 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 2: lots of teams have pass for success. I didn't see 234 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: as much of the first half, and I think that's 235 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 2: still concerning. When you go to Baltimore, you're not gonna 236 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: have a three score lead, unlike you're gonna have a 237 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: three score lead in the second half, so you're gonna 238 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: have to find a way to affect the pocket before 239 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: it gets to that point. 240 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Baltimore because obviously a lot 241 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: of people are hoping that's maybe a Super Bowl preview 242 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: of you know, two elite teams in this league. Obviously 243 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: a tough task going on the road in that environment. 244 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: We know what happened in twenty twenty three when they 245 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: went there. They got their butts kicked, they got them 246 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: handed to them, and they've all seen that film and 247 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: they've they've owned up to that. I think they're eager 248 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: to go Monday and have a second shot at those guys. 249 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: But when you look at that matchup, when you look 250 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 1: at this game number one in Justin Rodgers' book, the 251 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions have to do. What if they're gonna come 252 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: out with a victory Monday night. 253 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 2: It's gonna sound strange because you think of it as 254 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 2: a run first team because Derrick Henry has been added 255 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: to that equation since twenty twenty three, slid better like 256 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 2: that's a Gary part about it. But I think this 257 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: team has to cover you know there they lean so 258 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: heavily on their man coverage, and you know, I don't 259 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: want to throw a guy under the bus. But Terry 260 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: and Arnold has not been good enough to start this year. 261 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 2: We saw him in camp, unbelievable camp for him, right, 262 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: I thought DJ Reid had an unbelievable camp. He hasn't 263 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: lived up to as they've been really really good in 264 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: run support. Credit there. But Arnold got worked over pretty 265 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 2: good against Chicago, and it could have been worse. It 266 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: could have been worse if Muhammad doesn't hit Williams, he 267 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 2: gives up another long reception, if TYLERK Williams doesn't tip 268 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: that ball and fourth down, Arnold was beat there. So 269 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: Baltimore doesn't have the greatest receivers in the world, but 270 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: they got capable ones. I mean, obviously DeAndre Hopkins has 271 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: accomplished a ton of this league. He's long in the 272 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 2: tooth at this point. Whatever still good touchdown in weeks 273 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: one and week two, say Flowers a good receiver. Fore 274 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 2: Shad Bateman is So I really need to see the 275 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: secondary hold up a man de man because a lot 276 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: of tension is going to be put to that backfield, 277 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 2: whether it's it's Henry or the scramble ability of Lamar Jackson. 278 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 2: If you can't cover those guys, you're in for a 279 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: long day. 280 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: And obviously step one is going to be stopping on 281 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: the Browns obviously did a terrific job last week. Then 282 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: they still gave up forty one. It was their focus. 283 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: They run blitz. Henry had eleven carries for twenty three yards. 284 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: I think they had forty five yards rushing. But what 285 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: was the difference the forty one points was Lamar Jackson 286 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: threw four touchdown passes. And I think if you're the Lions, 287 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,359 Speaker 1: you obviously have to go in stopping Henry and containing 288 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 1: Lamar in the pocket. If you get Lamar into a 289 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: run pass situation, it's really tough to beat him. You 290 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: make him stay in the pocket. If he throws four 291 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: touchdowns like he did last week, and you lose your tip, 292 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: your cap and move on to to Cleveland week four, 293 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: and you say, hey, that's an MVP caliber player and 294 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: he just beat us. And to that point too, just 295 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: about how much credit he doesn't get as a passer. 296 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: Ten straight games with two touchdown passes and a ninety 297 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: plus passer rating, so he's going for eleven straight in 298 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: that game Monday Night. Sky can do it all, but 299 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: I think you have to go into it saying we 300 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: can't let Henry get roll. We can't let the run 301 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: pass option with Lamar be a thing. We've got to 302 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: make him stay in the pocket and make him beat 303 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: us throwing the football. If we do, we can deal 304 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: with it. 305 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 2: I can't believe how much his game has evolved as 306 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: he's come to the league. 307 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: Like amazing, isn't it. 308 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: And I know he won the MVP in twenty nineteen, 309 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 2: absolutely deserved, twenty twenty three, absolutely deserve. His best season 310 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: was last year, and all due respect to Josh Allen, 311 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: certainly an MVP caliber season. Lamar Jackson was the MVP 312 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: in the league in my book. He rushed for more 313 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: yards than he had in four seasons. He led the 314 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 2: league in passer rating QBR, yards per temp, touchdown rate. 315 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 2: Like Lamar Jackson was incredible last year. Derrick Henry's existence, 316 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 2: the threat that he possesses, only stands to make Lamar 317 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 2: Jackson better. And if you look at those numbers, the QBR, 318 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 2: the passer rating, the yards PERTENP, they're up this year 319 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 2: after two games, like he has transformed into this all 320 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: round player and he has no problem beating you with 321 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 2: his arm. I'm sure he probably would prefer it a 322 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: lot less rest to his body, right. 323 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: Specialty I think will be kidding this one. You know, 324 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: when you when you got two teams like this and 325 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: you got an offense that's so capable. I think on 326 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: both sides the difference could be we see the kickoff 327 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: now is a bigger part of the play. I wonder 328 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: if this week, week, week three, we see that part 329 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: of it, you know, maybe affect the game, you know, 330 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: switch the field a little bit, give you a big 331 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: boost with it, with it with a touchdown return. I 332 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: think special teams and games like this against two really 333 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: good teams, it's always something a little quirky, isn't it. 334 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: It's special teams. It's a pump return. Takeaways are going 335 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: to be huge. Who can hang onto the football? Who 336 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: can generate the big one? If you're Detroit, that's got 337 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: to be a must on the road. So it's just 338 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: a game I'm really looking forward to, real quick, a 339 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: couple more before we finish up. Here your your biggest matchup, 340 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: and let's go, not Lamar, Let's go. Is there something 341 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: else they're not gonna have, probably Kyle Vanoy. We'll see 342 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: about Humphrey, one of their star cornerbacks too, and that's 343 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: your leading sacker and probably your best cornerback, so that 344 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: could be a factor. I'm just curious what maybe besides 345 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: Lamar and obvious ones, what's a matchup that that they 346 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: think it's going to be important for Detroit. 347 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I obviously highlighted the cornerbacks to to 348 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: Baltimore receiver, So let's let's flip it to the other side. 349 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 2: And to me, it's it's Jared Goffers Kyle Hamilton, right 350 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: like that is. Lions fans are very familiar with Brian 351 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: Branch and what he brings to the table and the 352 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 2: versatility right it's it's unbelievable how he can go from 353 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 2: pass rusher to box safety, to robber to deep safety 354 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 2: to man on man coverage on third down, Like it 355 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: is a very very rare and special skill set. Kyle 356 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: Hamilton might be the only player in the NFL that 357 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: does it better than Brian Branch. And he's what I 358 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: don't know, six four two twenty like a gargantuan safety 359 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 2: and he can do it all and so we talked 360 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 2: to Scotty Montgomery today wide receivers coach. I was like, 361 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: how important is it to id Or Hamilton. It's like, 362 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 2: that's the guy you have to know where he's on 363 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 2: the field every single play because he's capable of wrecking 364 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 2: games from the back seven. And so you know that's 365 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: that's gonna be the chess match for Jared is finding 366 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 2: him using that to kind of give hints on what 367 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: they're thinking about doing defensively. And we know so often 368 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: Jared comes the line with two plays right. It's picking 369 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: that right play, that right read to mitigate the factor 370 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton can be. 371 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a chess game. I think all the 372 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: way around both sides of ball and special teams. John 373 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: Harbaugh we always talk about Dan Campbell team and how 374 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: much important he puts on special teams. John Harbaugh does too. 375 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: I think all three phases is going to be a 376 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: terrific chess match. Obviously a game Monday night, it's kind 377 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: of a statement, you know, measuring stick mesuristic for sure 378 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: of just how good this football team is. I think 379 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: they want to make up for their last road game 380 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: Week one. They want to show that they can play 381 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: better on the world handle that situation a little bit better. 382 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: That will be key to but it'll be fun. We'll 383 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: both be there. It should be a fun matchup. 384 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 2: Hopefully for the national television audience, they get a better 385 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: game than last time in Baltimore. 386 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: Let's hope so. Justin Rodgers, Tim Tawinuman, thanks for joining 387 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: movie right back, Welcome back to the Twin in the 388 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: Huddle podcast. I am very happy to welcome in Ryan Mink. 389 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: He does a great job with Ravens dot Com. He's 390 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: the editorial director there. He also does the launch podcast. Ryan, 391 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: thanks for joining me. I appreciate it. 392 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me. 393 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: Well, look, it was good news in Detroit and Baltimore 394 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: week two. You know, after both teams fell week one, 395 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: they get that kind of big win week two. What 396 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: was the most impressive thing about Baltimore's win against Cleveland 397 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: for you and week two? 398 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was the defense playing a lot better. 399 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 3: You know, certainly a rough fourth quarter the season opener 400 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 3: in Buffalo. They needed a bounce back effort from the defense, 401 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 3: particularly the past defense. They got that against Cleveland. Now 402 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 3: it's you know, Joe Flacko and the Browns. You know, 403 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 3: so we're not talking about the Detroit Lions offense coming 404 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 3: to town. But it was a good bounce back effort 405 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 3: for the defense and then particularly just played well in 406 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,719 Speaker 3: the fourth quarter twenty one at twenty one unanswered points. 407 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 3: It was good to see them close the game out. 408 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: You know, it was a crazy stat line. I went 409 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: to go look at that that Cleveland box score and 410 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: it was like twenty one rushes for forty five yards, 411 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: Dereck Henry with twenty three yards. But Lamar Jackson just 412 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: continues to impress. I saw. I saw a great statistic 413 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: ten straight games of at least two passing touchdowns and 414 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: a ninety plus passer rating dating back to last year 415 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Just how good is this guy? When 416 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: that run game, which Baltimore is obviously is so known for, 417 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: they just couldn't get it going against Cleveland. But still 418 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: you've got Lamar like to the rescue. Just how good 419 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: a football is he playing right now? 420 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the best football he's played in his career. 421 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 3: I mean, last year he didn't win MVP, but it 422 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 3: was his best season really by far, one of the 423 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 3: best seasons statistically that any quarterback has ever had. And 424 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 3: I think he's just kind of leveled up this year. No, 425 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 3: he does a great job protecting the football, only had 426 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 3: four interceptions last year, has yet to throw one this season. 427 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 3: Not going what over here, but you know, he's he's 428 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 3: a field really well. Of course there's the broken plays 429 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 3: that he can make something out of nothing. That's just 430 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 3: kind of Lamar ball. And yeah, he's playing at a 431 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 3: very high efficient level right now. I mean currently, no 432 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 3: quarterback in NFL history has ever had a higher quarterback 433 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 3: rating than Lamar Jackson's right now. He's passed Aaron Rodgers 434 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 3: this past week, which you know, all of course everybody 435 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 3: knows Lamar Jackson is the best rushing quarterback of all time, 436 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 3: but now you're actually having the conversation statistically, is he 437 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 3: the best passing quarterback? You know, he's got the highest 438 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 3: career quarterback rating. It's kind of absurd. 439 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: What is the biggest concern for Baltimore with Detroit coming 440 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: in Monday night? 441 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,719 Speaker 3: I mean, I think just the arsenal of weapons that 442 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 3: Detroit has, I mean, particularly at wide receiver. You know, 443 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 3: i'mana Rossaint Brown coming off a three touchdown game, Jameson Williams. 444 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 3: I mean, the big play threats Sjamier Gibbs, you know, 445 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just go down the list, and certainly 446 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 3: the Ravens defense gave up almost four hundred passing yards 447 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 3: and week ones of the Bills, and the Bills don't 448 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 3: have nearly the wide receivers to the Lions do, and 449 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 3: so I think that that is the concern for Baltimore particularly. 450 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 3: You know, Marlon Humphrey left Sunday's game with an injury. 451 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 3: We'll see if he's able to play. Kyle van Noy 452 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 3: left with an injury to his hamstring. So two of 453 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 3: your defensive leaders going down against the high octane passing 454 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 3: offense like the Lions. 455 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 4: That's not good. 456 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: You mentioned the four hundred nearly four hundred yards against 457 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: Buffalo Week one, over one hundred yards rushing allow, you know, 458 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: the first two weeks. Any concern there a little bit? 459 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: I know Cleveland, I think they average over better than 460 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: five point oh per rush. They obviously had to abandon 461 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: it later there, But any concern there because we were 462 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: so used to seeing Baltimore, number one, number two, number 463 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: three in the league stop in the run. That's been 464 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: a hardball thing ever since he's taken over that job. 465 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: Any little bit of concern there, especially with some of 466 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: the injuries that you mentioned to. 467 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, not a ton of concern. I think the Browns 468 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 3: kind of broke one late in that game against this 469 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 3: Ravens second stringers. 470 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 4: So not too concerned with the run defense. 471 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 3: Brokewon Smith is coming off a fifteen tackle game, including 472 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 3: three for loss. I mean, arguably his best game of 473 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 3: his career. You know, the Ravens did have under the 474 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 3: radar loss with Michael Pierce on their defensive line. Former 475 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 3: Minnesota of Viking. Y'all probably do Michael Pierce, Oh, we 476 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,719 Speaker 3: know him very well. Yeah, he retired this past all 477 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 3: season to the Ravens. You know, that was a loss 478 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 3: to the run de But overall, I'm not too concerned 479 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 3: with that. 480 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 4: Now. 481 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 3: You know, Dave Montgomery and Jamier Gibbs, the talents that 482 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 3: they are, you have to be concerned when they're coming 483 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 3: to your place, because if the Lions can get that 484 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 3: play action game going, you know, if they're able to 485 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 3: run the ball, play action with golf, then your tough situation. 486 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 3: The Ravens can stop the run, put golf in those 487 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 3: third and longs, I think they're go have much more success. 488 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: You know, Zay Flowers has been a guy that's really 489 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: had a great start to this season. I think you 490 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: look at their statistics, I think he's got what fourteen catches, 491 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: two hundred and eighteen yards and a touchdown two games. 492 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: I think their next best receiver has four catches. So 493 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: it's really been the kind of the Zay Flower show 494 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: for that offense. Where's he taking his biggest leap in production, 495 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: just leap as a player in twenty twenty five. 496 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 3: You know, I wouldn't say that there's really any difference 497 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 3: from last year. I think it's just kind of how 498 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 3: the target share has has gone down in the first 499 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 3: two weeks. 500 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 4: I mean, Zay looks like the same player to me. 501 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 3: He is explosive, he gets the ball in space, he 502 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 3: can make people miss. I mean he's just kind of 503 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 3: a human joystick kind of guy, you know. And and 504 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 3: so I think that it's the Ravens do have, despite 505 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 3: what the stats show, a wide assortment of weapons. This 506 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 3: is the best wide receiver group I think that the 507 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 3: Ravens have ever had. I mean, you look at Rashad 508 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 3: Bateman as the number two. He had a really good 509 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 3: uh season last year. He is a deep threat, big 510 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 3: play guy. He just hasn't you know, materialized yet. 511 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 4: Not that he's made. 512 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 3: He's made the most of his opportunities, but it just 513 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 3: they haven't gone to him a lot yet. I mean, 514 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 3: you look at DeAndre Hopkins. I mean, the guy's got 515 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 3: two touchdowns and two games really probably should have had three, 516 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 3: got one got overturned and ruled down the half yard. 517 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 4: Line against the Browns. 518 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 3: He's making the most of his opportunities and can still 519 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 3: make contested catches like he always has. Mark Andrews has 520 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 3: been a very small part of the Ravens offensive attack so. 521 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: Far, but that's not going to last. 522 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, that can always change exactly. 523 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 3: Let all touch tight ends and touchdowns last year and 524 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 3: had a slow start to last year. And then there's 525 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 3: the possibility that Isaiah likely returns this week from his 526 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 3: foot injury. 527 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 4: So uh, you know, he practiced on Friday. 528 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 3: We'll see out here this week if he if he's 529 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 3: practicing and kind of ramps up, But there's that possibility, 530 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 3: and so the Ravens really do you know, as much 531 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 3: as it looks like the Ze Flowers Show right now, 532 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 3: they really feel it's a pick your poison offense similar 533 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 3: to kind of Detroit where they can go in any direction. 534 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 3: I mean you talk about the Browns game and Derreck 535 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 3: Henry getting limited. Well, three of the four touchdowns that 536 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson threw where DeAndre Hopkins and devontees Walker he 537 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 3: caught two touchdowns. Who nobody knows about Devonte Walker? Tyler 538 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 3: Wallace probably a name you've never. 539 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 4: Heard, you know. 540 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 3: So like they've they've gotten production kind of up and 541 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 3: down this wide receiver unit. 542 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: Well usually end with this, but you've kind of, you know, 543 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: alluded to it is maybe who's one of those guys 544 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: that that Lions fans might not know who could impact 545 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,719 Speaker 1: because obviously you've gotten impact from, you know, maybe some 546 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 1: of your unheralded players. Who's maybe one guy that that 547 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: could be that guy that Detroit fans are like, who's 548 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: that guy and why is he making all these plays 549 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: on Monday night football? 550 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 4: Ye, devontees Walker would probably be a good one. 551 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 3: I mean, he's a second year wide receiver, he was 552 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 3: a fourth round pick a year ago. 553 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 4: He's got speed. The guy's got just wheels. 554 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 3: I mean you watch him on tape and if he 555 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 3: gets a step on defensive back, they're just not catching him. 556 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 3: And so you know, going deep on shallow crossers. You know, 557 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 3: he he I'm not going to put him in the 558 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 3: same category as James and Williams yet, but you know, 559 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 3: shades of a similar player, and so I think that 560 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 3: he's somebody to watch out for. And then Justice Hill, 561 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 3: the Ravens backup running back, is a very good player 562 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 3: that a lot of people don't know, and especially on 563 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 3: third downs, Justice Hill is often the kind of the 564 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 3: go to guy. 565 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: What is the biggest matchup from your perspective sitting there 566 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: in Baltimore midweek? Where do you see this as like 567 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: this is the area where Baltimore's got to control this 568 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: game Monday night. 569 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 3: I think it's Salamon Ross, Saint Brown and you know 570 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 3: how they match up against him, especially if Marlon Humphrey 571 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 3: isn't able to play, and we'll see it's kind of 572 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 3: a groin injury for him, but he's also a pretty 573 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 3: darn tough dude, Like he's gonna play if he can play. 574 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 3: But you know, is he up to is one if 575 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 3: he does play, and can they keep up with Dom 576 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 3: and Ross and Brown and you know all the ways 577 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 3: that they use him. 578 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 4: I think that's probably the matchup to watch. 579 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: You know, one guy that here that's that's played pretty 580 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: well obviously last week, but really the first two weeks 581 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: is Brian Branch the talented safety here. And I wanted 582 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: to ask you this question because obviously you've been around 583 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton for a long time, and just the ability 584 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: of those safeties to come down and play in the box, 585 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: to cover light corners, to play the nickel. Just how 586 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: valuable has Kyle been to that defense because he's a 587 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: guy that that I compare Brian Branch to it. To me, 588 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of Kyle Hamilton, Ed Reid and Brian 589 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: Branch are kind of that that versatile guys that can 590 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: do a lot of different things. Just the benefit of 591 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: watching Kyle overears because Detroit fans are seeing it with 592 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 1: Brian Branch now, and just how fun and how big 593 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: of an impact a guy like that can have on defense. 594 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm really massive. 595 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 3: I mean I think to two players that are different 596 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 3: in stature, certainly Brian Branch and Kyle Hamilton, and Kyle 597 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 3: Hamilton is like a six foot four monster. You know, 598 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,479 Speaker 3: Brian Branch is built differently, but they use him in 599 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 3: similar ways. You know, Kyle Hamilton plays all over the 600 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 3: Ravens defense at Nickel obviously deep safety, free safety in 601 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 3: the box safety. He plays some linebacker at times. You know, 602 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 3: he can be a kind of a dime linebacker, and 603 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 3: so yeah, they use him everywhere, and that is hugely valuable. 604 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I think just keeping the offense guessing as 605 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 3: to where your safeties are lining up really kind of 606 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 3: keeps them. They have a tougher time locking in on 607 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 3: what's going on defensively and so and obviously just the 608 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 3: ability to kind of go matchups. You know, it's almost 609 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 3: the game turns into a game of basketball at times, 610 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 3: and it's a matchups game. You talk about a guy 611 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 3: like Samuel Porta, you know, does Kyle Hamilton sometimes match 612 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 3: up against him and and try to eliminate that threat. 613 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 3: So yeah, very valuable to have a safety that can 614 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 3: play multiple positions. 615 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: Well, so many weapons are going to be featured Monday 616 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: night in Baltimore, both offensively and defensively. Dan Campbell is 617 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 1: looking forward to this game. This could potentially be a 618 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: Super Bowl matchup just with the way these two teams 619 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: are built. Should be a fun one in front of 620 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: a national audience on Monday Night. I can't wait for 621 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: Ryan thanks so much for taking the time, and I'll 622 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: make sure I come by and say hello in Baltimore 623 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: on Monday night. 624 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 3: All right, thanks Simmy. Yeah, I hope we meet in 625 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 3: the super Bowl. That'd be awesome. 626 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: Well, that would be fun when we'll have to do 627 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: one of these again in February for sure. 628 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 4: Sounds good. Sign you up.