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Speaker 1: Oh, good time, Steve taspers Time, Thanks Domes for time

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Speaker 1: hid everybody. Welcome to the show, our final show for

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Speaker 1: the off season. Yes, training camp starts tomorrow. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show. It's John Murphy, Steve Tanser, coming in from

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Speaker 1: one Bill's Drive today, coming in from Bill's training camp tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: You gotta look if you're watching an MSG, a new

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Speaker 1: air field, a brand new field there and uh, we'll

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Speaker 1: see that place a week from Friday for the return

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Speaker 1: of the Blue and the Red high there. Welcome. I

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Speaker 1: gotta say, uh, there's a spring in our step today, Steve,

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Speaker 1: I will speak for you. I think a spring in

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Speaker 1: our step today. Knowing that everything changes tomorrow, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be fun. Not that this isn't fun, but it'll be

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Speaker 1: different and fun to be a training camp tomorrow. Agree,

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Speaker 1: there's absolutely Agree, it's gonna be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: I you know, it's because training camp, it's for everybody's

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Speaker 1: just like it for the players, like that, everybody else too.

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Speaker 1: You kind of get wound up and it's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, now every page is turned. There is nothing

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Speaker 1: that's the fun part of it. I mean, it's finally

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Speaker 1: here and after you know, the long stretch of wrangling

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Speaker 1: and getting the right free age and saying, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: was it all worth it? It's gonna be. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be awesome to see and it's um it's a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun to think about. Yeah, it is. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: about it. We all are. We start tomorrow. We'll be

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Speaker 1: there in the morning early. Steve and I meetings at nine.

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Speaker 1: We got a nine to fifteen news conference with Brandon

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Speaker 1: Bean and say we get to attend it. You know,

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Speaker 1: when practice begins nine forty five, Steve and I will

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Speaker 1: be up on help me out here various social media

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Speaker 1: platforms with live streaming video. We'll take our spot right

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Speaker 1: There's like Facebook lot r any Track and Field stadium.

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Speaker 1: Is that the right word, Facebook, Jake, Can you help

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Speaker 1: the early stage of practice with Steve and I live

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Speaker 1: Facebook Live tomorrow ninety five. Is we bring you uh,

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Speaker 1: it'll be stretch, It'll be individual work. It's nothing, you know,

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Speaker 1: we don't do the team work. Nobody can shoot that.

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Speaker 1: But that's our first exposure and many of our viewers,

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Speaker 1: I think, get their first exposure to training camp. Tomorrow morning,

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Speaker 1: when it begins at nine forty five, will be on

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Speaker 1: Facebook Live. We did that a couple times last year.

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Speaker 1: It works. It's fun, Yeah, it does. And it's fun too.

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Speaker 1: You go out and there's a it's a little intimate

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Speaker 1: and it's very casual, which is you know, you get

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Speaker 1: it's pretty you know, desks and formal and stuff. Everybody

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Speaker 1: the media guys are like, you know, hold you have

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Speaker 1: so all of this stuff's going on is real casual

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Speaker 1: So it's just a casual, different kind atmosphere, and it's

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Speaker 1: every year, and tomorrow it'll be the kickoff press conference

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna you know, even even now, you know

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Speaker 1: and we hope to see out there too. Practices to

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Speaker 1: Bill's training camp starts tomorrow, twentieth training camp at Saint

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Speaker 1: John Fisher College. Does that seem possible? Look, I know

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Speaker 1: We were telling our our new associate, Maddi Glab today

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Speaker 1: Wade settled that with his cap, Wade would cruise around

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Speaker 1: with play areas, activities, a concession stands, good access, organized

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Speaker 1: That's worked. So at any rate, we're there tomorrow, we're

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Speaker 1: think now it'll be the third year we've been undercover

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Speaker 1: You know why we care? Because there's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: Players reporting today. In fact, they had a deadline of

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Speaker 1: I believe, all right, Welcome to the show. Good show

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Speaker 1: coming up for you today. Coming up at twelve thirty.

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Speaker 1: Bottom of this hour, Ross Tucker, former Bills offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: He is a frequent guest on the show and has

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Speaker 1: some great observations on the NFL. I forget, well, let

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Speaker 1: their contracts. Good point, I think, good players perspective Steve

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Speaker 1: wide receiver from Dallas Cowboys. Yeah. Yeah, they it's a

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Speaker 1: tough business. It's it's a brutal business, and teams make

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk with us about that. I thought

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Speaker 1: at one Bill's Live. Who's your offensive training camp sleeper?

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Speaker 1: We got a couple of options for you on Twitter?

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Speaker 1: Is it Duke Williams your offensive training camp sleeper. Eighteen

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Speaker 1: nineteen percent of you say Duke Williams, the wide receiver

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Speaker 1: from the CFL. Is it rookie third round draft pick

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Speaker 1: tight end Dawson Knox Twenty three percent of you name

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Speaker 1: him as your sleeper? Is it undrafted key free agent

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Speaker 1: wide receiver David Sills, the fifth from West Virginia. Twenty

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Speaker 1: eight percent of you say he is your sleeper? Is

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Speaker 1: it Devin Singletary? Does he even kite? You know, I

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Speaker 1: know it's your job to criticize the Twitter poll, but

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Speaker 1: let me just let me just get let me take

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Speaker 1: a page from your I don't think Devin Singletary is

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Speaker 1: a sleeper. And that's thirty percent of our respondence, and

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Speaker 1: this pretty even pole say he would be the sleeper.

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Speaker 1: Is he a sleeper? Look, Gore is an NFI non

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Speaker 1: football injury, Frank Gord. Devin Singletary is going to be

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Speaker 1: the primary, I believe, the primary running back at training

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Speaker 1: camp this year because you don't want to spend up

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Speaker 1: too much of Sean McCoy. Thirty percent of you called

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Speaker 1: Devin Singletary, third round pick, You're sleeper. I'm wondering if

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Speaker 1: he qualifies as a sleeper. I guess he's for real.

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Speaker 1: Tell me, yes, he does. Because the expectations for him

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Speaker 1: being productive and kind of flashing are low because he's

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Speaker 1: a third round pick from a different, smaller school. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't have them measurables. Physically, he's undersized, and he's got

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Speaker 1: two Hall of Famers or one Hall of Famer one

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Speaker 1: cut on in the conversation for the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 1: and a veteran pro ahead of him. T. J. Yelden

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Speaker 1: is also ahead of him, Devin Singletary. You expect him

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Speaker 1: to get some work in the preseason because of the

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Speaker 1: fact that you know you're not gonna work the two

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Speaker 1: older guys that much. You're not gonna work. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: get most of it. But just because he gets most

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Speaker 1: of the work doesn't mean all of a sudden it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be like, Wow, look at that guy. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: have to play well, he's any you know what else

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Speaker 1: he's gonna have to do pass pro Yeah, he's got

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Speaker 1: a step to the right guy. We've got the crown

463
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Speaker 1: jewel of this organization taking snaps who everybody is even

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Speaker 1: around the National Spotlight or looking at Josh Allen thinking, wow,

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Speaker 1: that's well, let's see how this guy plays now there

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Speaker 1: and he's been polarizing too. Don't forget Josh. People either

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Speaker 1: love this guy, think he's gonna be the greatest thing ever,

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Speaker 1: or he's not. And you got this guy, Devin Singletary

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Speaker 1: protecting his backside. Yeah, he better play well. I don't

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Speaker 1: see how that makes him a sleeper. He's not gonna

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Speaker 1: sneak up on anybody. I mean, I hear people talk

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Speaker 1: about Singletary like he's uh, he's really going to be

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Speaker 1: a factor of the Bills all season along including training camp.

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Speaker 1: How does he qualify as a sleeper's? People? Who doesn't

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Speaker 1: Which Bills fan doesn't know that Devin Singletary as a

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Speaker 1: U is likely to have a prominent role this year.

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Speaker 1: I think most Bills fans the prominent role this year

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Speaker 1: and the regular season. Yeah, that's not a given. Nothing

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Speaker 1: is given. But I think you're gonna see a lot

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Speaker 1: of him in training camp. I don't know, because he

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Speaker 1: does every Lashawn is the guy. He's gonna he's gonna

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Speaker 1: catch pass talking about training camp, I know, but you're

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Speaker 1: talking about him having a prominent role. He's got to

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Speaker 1: earn it. In training camp. I think he singletary above

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Speaker 1: t J Yelden. I mean that's to me. I don't

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Speaker 1: like a sleeper. I think he's a really good player.

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Speaker 1: I think we just well, I think you and I

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Speaker 1: talk about him a lot, which means he's always a

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Speaker 1: kind of we don't think of him a sleeper because

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Speaker 1: we're talking about him all the time. I don't think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people expect too much from him. Hey,

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Speaker 1: let's take a phone call here, Paul and Ken more

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Speaker 1: around the line. Hullo, Paul, go ahead, you're on the

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Speaker 1: air with this. Hey guys, two quick things. One, which

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Speaker 1: do you guys think it would take to get Clowney?

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Speaker 1: And two do you believe he would be a good

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Speaker 1: fit on our defense the way our defense has played

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Speaker 1: in the past. Two good questions. All right, First, I

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Speaker 1: don't think he can get him. I think certainly everything's

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Speaker 1: for sale in this world. And if you offer him

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Speaker 1: three ones and Lashawn McCoy or three ones and whatever,

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Speaker 1: would take at least one first round. Yeah, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: take a big, big price for me. And let me

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Speaker 1: tell you if he would fit in, if he would

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Speaker 1: fit into if he would fit into this defense. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna fit into this defense. This guy can play,

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Speaker 1: He can play well. The guy is a stud. Don't

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Speaker 1: kid yourself a bit. The guy's a Pro Bowl caliber,

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Speaker 1: all pro type of talent. He was the number one

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Speaker 1: pick of the draft. Anything you want to measure about

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Speaker 1: a player's physical ability, this guy is off the charts.

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Speaker 1: You see him walk on the field. He's the biggest,

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Speaker 1: most athletic looking guy on the field in any game

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Speaker 1: they take the field, and that includes JJ Watt. This

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Speaker 1: guy is a stud physically, and he's played well. Now.

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Speaker 1: He had a slow start to his career, right, he

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Speaker 1: had the foot injuries. Took him a while to get

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Speaker 1: on the field. But when J. J. Watt now in

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years has been hobbled by recurring

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Speaker 1: injuries and had trouble staying on the field, Clowney wins,

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Speaker 1: and he wins right now at the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to you name the defense. The

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator would would cut off their little finger to

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Speaker 1: have that guy on the squad. Okay, so yeah, he

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Speaker 1: would fit in ball. You had another question, Yeah, then

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Speaker 1: why do you think, I mean, you're you're getting me

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Speaker 1: hyped up just you know, the way you're describing them, Um,

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Speaker 1: then that we wouldn't make an offer or what do

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Speaker 1: you think the price tag would either to be too

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Speaker 1: high to your phone's cutting out, Papa, I think your

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Speaker 1: question is what is the breaking point for the Bills

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Speaker 1: or anybody really on a price tag for Clowney. I

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Speaker 1: think the Bills would look if they can get him

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Speaker 1: for a first rounder and something else. I think almost foolish,

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Speaker 1: not too but you get to a couple of the

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Speaker 1: first rounders, now you're singing a different two. A couple

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Speaker 1: of first rounders and something. You're gonna have to sign

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Speaker 1: the guy too, right, he's in the last year now

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Speaker 1: is franchise tag year. You want to spread that money

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Speaker 1: out if you sign them to your team. So there's

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Speaker 1: two components making them fit contractually, which the Bills can

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Speaker 1: do with their cap space, and giving up the draft capital,

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Speaker 1: mostly draft capital it would take. I think that would

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Speaker 1: be a move. And while it seems wow, splashy, it

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Speaker 1: seems like, you know, if they could fit it in it,

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Speaker 1: but you're you're talking about literally you're talking about one

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollar player, and I think that is outside

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Speaker 1: the bounds of the plan. And the discipline this organization

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Speaker 1: has shown to this point. And that's and that's not

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Speaker 1: to say anything about whether Jadavian Clowning wants to be

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Speaker 1: traded from the Texans or it might be one of

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Speaker 1: those eight Antonio Brown things that I ain't got playing Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: You know, you never know. But that's that says nothing

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Speaker 1: about any of that stuff. You got to sign the

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Speaker 1: guy to a one hundred million dollar contract when you

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Speaker 1: got other guys coming up to get resigned. I'm gonna say,

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Speaker 1: you got a one hundred million dollars quarterback like two

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Speaker 1: or three years away from his deal, You're gonna need

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Speaker 1: expensive players if you're gonna compete for Jfry. That's true.

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Speaker 1: That's true. And but I do think as as cool

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Speaker 1: as it would be to have a guy like that

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Speaker 1: on your team, this team's pretty good now, defensively, really good.

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Speaker 1: In fact, it was better than the Texans were last

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Speaker 1: year with Jadeveon Clowney playing for a contract, you know.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, there's no and nobody has ever won a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl with Jadeveon Clowney, so I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he'd make that big a difference, you know, But there's

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Speaker 1: no doubt he's a good player. So I don't want

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Speaker 1: to say, like, at all costs you gotta get a

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Speaker 1: guy like this, But I know this, there's every team

571
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Speaker 1: in the league would love to have the guy. He's

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Speaker 1: that good. But you got to stay with you're saying

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Speaker 1: at all costs, you don't have to. Of course we'll

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Speaker 1: agree with that, but all it sounded like you were

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Speaker 1: saying the Bills don't wouldn't want to make that deal.

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Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying. I'm saying, if they don't

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Speaker 1: make the deal, it's because the price was too high. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and both, And it's on two ends, both with the

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Speaker 1: draft capital just to get the guy under your under

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Speaker 1: your roof and then to sign him. What kind of

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Speaker 1: money's he looking for? Gaine would know that, Yeah, Gains

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Speaker 1: would know that. So if he's listen, he's looking for

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty two million bucks over five years.

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Speaker 1: You ain't gonna make that deal. No thanks, And that's

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Speaker 1: why the Texans haven't signed him. All right, Well, great,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk with Ross Tucker. We can run this

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Speaker 1: by Ross Tucker. He's gonna join us. Former Bill's offensive

588
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: lives to do that, right, smacking the table. Ross is

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Speaker 1: a radio dot Com NFL Insider host of the Ross

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Speaker 1: Tucker Podcast. You're gonna join this next year on the show.

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Speaker 1: Come on back One Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio, One Bill's Live. John Murphy's

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Speaker 1: team Tasker one day away from training Camp, will be

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Speaker 1: there to orrow noon to three at Bills training Camp

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Speaker 1: Saint John Fisher College in Rochester. Joining us right now

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Speaker 1: on the line, Radio dot Com NFL Insider. The host

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Speaker 1: of the Ross Tucker Podcast, played six seasons in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: a couple of them here with the Buffalo Bills. Our

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Speaker 1: buddy Ross Tucker on the line. Hello, Ross, John Murphy

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Speaker 1: and Steve task are up here in Buffalo. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining Murf Steve, how are you guys. We're doing great,

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Speaker 1: doing great. You're going to camp starting tomorrow. You wrote

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Speaker 1: a piece race recently, and by the way, for those

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Speaker 1: watching on our MSG feed, we got video of the

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Speaker 1: Bills kind of checking in today. You wrote a piece

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Speaker 1: recently about how much players really dislike going to camp, right,

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Speaker 1: you still feel that after all these years, well, I

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Speaker 1: mean certainly back when I was going to camp and

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Speaker 1: Steve was it's a little bit. It's maybe a lot

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Speaker 1: of bit easier from the guys I've talked to you

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Speaker 1: now than it used to be. Honestly, Murf, I just

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Speaker 1: think it's human nature. It's a weird thing. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I just knew that once that season started there were

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Speaker 1: no off days, even though Tuesday's technic an off day,

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Speaker 1: no off days for gosh, almost six months, and I

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Speaker 1: just knew what I was about to go through mentally

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Speaker 1: and physically, and so the last couple of days before camp,

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Speaker 1: those were usually the worst days. You know, sometimes in

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Speaker 1: life the anticipation can be the best for the worst part,

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Speaker 1: but just knowing what was hanging over your head, knowing

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Speaker 1: what you were about to do, I never liked it,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think any guy really does. The irony

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Speaker 1: of of course, though, Murph is. I used to when

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Speaker 1: I was playing, the harder the training camp the better,

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Speaker 1: just in the sense that I was always either competing

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Speaker 1: with like Pucillo or somebody for a starting job, or

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Speaker 1: maybe I was competing for a roster spot, And in

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Speaker 1: my mind, the harder camp was the better it was

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Speaker 1: for me because I felt like my mental toughness would

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Speaker 1: win in the end. So I hated it. I think

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Speaker 1: every guy does. It's the worst part about being an

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Speaker 1: NFL football player. But I also wanted to be hard

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Speaker 1: because I knew what was best for my career. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you talk about guys showing up for training camp. Most

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Speaker 1: guys are. But Melvin Gordon has told the Chargers he's

636
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Speaker 1: not going to show up for camp. Jadeveon Clowney down

637
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: in Houston has said, I'll show up at the beginning

638
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: of the season, but I'm not coming to camp. I mean,

639
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: certainly guys don't show up just for nothing sometimes, and

640
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: I agree with these guys in each case, Why would

641
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: you do it if you don't have to, particularly in

642
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Speaker 1: the case of Jadeveon Clowney. What do you think about

643
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: We've talked a little bit about the business of sports

644
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: and the business of training camp. A lot of it's

645
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: getting done here in these last couple of days before camp.

646
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: You see guys getting cut. I think much more so

647
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: than we have in recent years. There's a lot of

648
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: doubt and indecision, and a lot of stance is being

649
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: taken by players and organizations alike. Do you do you

650
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: think it's more so than usual? It feels like more

651
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: guys certainly are getting cut Steve than they normally do.

652
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: And also because of the forty thousand dollars five per day,

653
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: we haven't seen a whole lot of training camp holdouts. Now,

654
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: Clowney's not under contract, so he's not at risk of

655
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: you losing any money in terms of a fine. Plus,

656
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: I mean, Aaron Donald didn't go to training camp the

657
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: last two years and all he did was win back

658
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: to back Defensive Players Year Award, So he's not exactly

659
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: a ringing endorsement on the benefits of going to training camp.

660
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: So Clowney's in a different situation. You know, guys like

661
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon and Yunique and gock Way down in Jacksonville,

662
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: they're really betting that the team it does not want

663
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: to actually play games without them, and that if they

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Speaker 1: stay away and it continues to become a distraction and

665
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: a talking point in the focus of camp, that maybe

666
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: the teams will increase their offer. I think the Jags

667
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: are more likely to do that than the Chargers are,

668
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: for they running back like Gordon. I do think though,

669
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Speaker 1: that teams releasing Alan Hearns and Dallas Mason Foster with

670
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: the Redskins and now like Daniels with the Packers. I

671
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: don't only remember that happening very often, you know, to

672
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: squad on the guy's rights the entire time and then

673
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: release them. I just that to me, Steve is one

674
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: of those where it sounds good from a strictly business standpoint, like, hey,

675
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: we can keep them. If he gets hurt while he's away,

676
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: we don't have to pay him. Something happens to one

677
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: of our other guys. Whatever, we can keep him till

678
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: right till we have to practice, and then we don't

679
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: want to be on the hook. But the thing that

680
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: the flaw in that thinking is number one, I don't

681
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: think it's a real good way to do business. And

682
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: number two, imagine like the meeting they had in Green Bay.

683
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: I have a great idea, right to start a camp.

684
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: Let's cut one of our best and most popular players.

685
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: That'll really give the guys a morale boost to start

686
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: the season. Like they don't think at all about the

687
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: human element. And I just think it's it certainly doesn't

688
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: seem like the Packer away. If you will, Yeah, that's

689
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: a great point. Stephen and I were talking about it

690
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: before we got you on here. The thought provoking tweet

691
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: that you put out there about it was Alan Hearns

692
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: at the time, but it's happened a couple of times.

693
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: It's damaging, right too. I think a team's credibility when

694
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: they treat or in this case, mistreat players like this.

695
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: And you know, people want to defend teams and say, well,

696
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: you know, the players have to do what they're told,

697
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: but that if I were a player, I'd say, well,

698
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I'll stick it to you someday if

699
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: you stick it to me like this, Well that's exactly right,

700
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: that's why. And look, it's not often that players have

701
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: the leverage. So when quarterbacks or certain guys have the

702
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: leverage Aaron Donald Khalil Mack, I love when they max

703
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: it out. I was never in that position. I was

704
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: always the guy that the team had leverage over me.

705
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: So I quite enjoy because they use every piece of

706
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: leverage they have. I love when players use their leverage.

707
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: And look, these teams can handle it however they see fit.

708
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: I will tell you this. So players are always paying attention.

709
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: So in actions always speak louder than words. So with

710
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: the Redskins the Cowboys, those guys notice. Now they also

711
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: noticed like in Cincinnati when Tyler Boyd gets an extension

712
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: because he's done the right things for three years. And

713
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: Dean Lowry and Green Bay they notice when guys that

714
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: were drafted and developed there get rewarded, so that that

715
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: can be a positive as well. My thing is just please,

716
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: don't you know, give me the Saab routine when a

717
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: player holds out when they have leverage, or guys like

718
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: Melvin more and Unique and Gackway when teams are going

719
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: to do what they've done the Hearns Foster and now

720
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: Mike Daniels good point. Yeah, and it's it is part

721
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: of the business, no question about it. You can always

722
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: go back to the hard, cold reality of it. But

723
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: then when they talk about and you get a lot

724
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: of that tappens here in Buffalo, you get to talk

725
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: about the culture and the general manager here in Buffalo.

726
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 1: On one of the programs they just put on Cold Embedded,

727
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: he said, you know, people will watch and see who

728
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: we pay. That's that's kind of It's a good way.

729
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: It seems like a good way to do business because

730
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Speaker 1: then you know you're paying the right guys for the

731
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: right reasons. But this stuff, these moves right before training camp,

732
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: it almost like is almost like a sabotage move. Well,

733
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: it's so weird. I mean, you know, Mason Foster was

734
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: like on his way to the airport. I mean, it's

735
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Speaker 1: just I don't get it. I don't know why you

736
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: would do it right before camp. I guess there's always

737
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: the thought. Like the Redskins, for example, right, they probably

738
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: were worried that Reuben Foster might get arrested again, and

739
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: they probably thought, you know what, let's keep Mason Foster

740
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: until right when we come to camp and he could

741
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: get hurt. We don't want to be on the hook

742
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: for his money. I just don't think that they realize

743
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: what a bad look that that is for them and

744
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: how that makes them look when they do things like that,

745
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 1: because what happens is, you know, the thing always cracks

746
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: me up too, is the coaches will say, we're a fan,

747
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: you know, we're in this together, we're a family. That

748
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: makes it a lot harder, especially for a new coach

749
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: like Matt Lafleur in Green Bay. You know, this is

750
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: the first move they make before his first you know,

751
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: team meeting to start the season. Yeah, guys, we care

752
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: about you. We want to do the right thing by you,

753
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: and even though Mike was a great guy on and

754
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: off the field. Well, I mean, it just puts him

755
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: in a really bad spot. Really good point where with

756
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: Ross Tucker, former Bills offensive lineman six seasons in the

757
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: NFL Radio dot Com NFL Insider, Hey, Ross, let's talk

758
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: if we can with you about Jadavian Clowney. What's the

759
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: likelihood that the Texans trade him away? What would he

760
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: bring in the trade market, and should the Bills be interested?

761
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: Should the Bills get involved in that kind of talk? Yeah,

762
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: I think it's extremely unlikely at this point because he

763
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: cannot be signed to a new long term deal until

764
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: after the season. So if you're a team trade rating

765
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: for him, how much are you giving up for just

766
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: one year of a guy? Right? I just don't think

767
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: that the amounts that much. Plus, I think with everything

768
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: going on in Houston, with you know, essentially a new owner,

769
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: with the passing of Bob McNair, and with no GM,

770
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: I think Bill O'Brien probably realizes it's not in his

771
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: best interest to have a really subpar year if he

772
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: wants to keep that job in that power long term.

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Speaker 1: My guess is they keep clowning. Yeah, and I kind

774
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: of agree with you. Certainly it looks as though the

775
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: relationship isn't all that it should be, and that always

776
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: opens the crack for other teams to sneak in and

777
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 1: get a guy who's picked first overall in the draft,

778
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: who's got all kinds of physical abilities and production. But

779
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: anytime there seems to be a rift in that relationship,

780
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: I think every other team's got to sit up and say, well,

781
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: I wonder what it would take and what are the chances?

782
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: And it only takes one ross. I mean, you know

783
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: it as well as I do. That's exactly right. And

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Speaker 1: I also think, you know, with a guy like Clowney,

785
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: you know the past, you know, the pass rusher market's

786
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: gone crazy. I'm it's twenty million a year, I mean,

787
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: and Gokway turned down nineteen million a year with over

788
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars in the first two years. It is

789
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: really really nice to be a pass rusher these days.

790
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: And I'm sure Clowney wants that kind of money. I

791
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: just think the Texans are probably a little bit concerned

792
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: about his consistency and even more so than that, his

793
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: injury history, and so they're willing to pay him, but

794
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: they're gonna want to wait at this point and make

795
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: sure he stays healthy for another full year. So as

796
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,959
Speaker 1: nice as as it is to be a pass rusher

797
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: in the NFL, how nice is it to be a

798
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: running back these days? Doesn't seem like quite the same.

799
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't have quite the same prestige as being a

800
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 1: pass rusher. No, And I want to ask you guys

801
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: this because you know, even though the Bills keep denying it,

802
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: you know, everywhere I look, and and and people I

803
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: talk to you continue to suggest that you know, Lashawn

804
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: McCoy could be had, perhaps in a trade, or that

805
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: the team might even cut him. Are you guys you

806
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: know getting any sense at that's a possibility. They certainly

807
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: have a lot of depths with Gore yelled in in

808
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: single Tarry. Yeah, But I think at this point all

809
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: we've heard even is the fact that they think he's

810
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: a really still a really good running back. He's too

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00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: versatile not to be useful to them. They've got him

812
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: fit in the budget and it sounds like a lot

813
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: is the cap hit is somewhere above eight million, but

814
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Speaker 1: he's only making I think seven. I think this year

815
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: something like that. He's fitting under the cap they I

816
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: think They're gonna depend on him so as of now,

817
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: unless they get an offer from somebody that blows him

818
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: out of the water, I think they're playing on him

819
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: being the number one guy going to the league, Murphy

820
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: going into the season, Murphy, I'm not sure. I'm really

821
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: not sure. It's a crowded room now, a running back

822
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: m the you know, the minor injury to Gore is

823
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: a minor complication, but has something to think about it.

824
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where they're going with that. ROSSI had

825
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: one last question for you, former offensive lineman that you are,

826
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: and this maybe is the central question of the Bills

827
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: training camp, which opens tomorrow. Did the Bills do enough

828
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: to fix their offensive line? What do you think? Yes?

829
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: They did, I mean, Murph, nobody's ever done more. If

830
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: they If they didn't do enough, we got major major problems.

831
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Speaker 1: I think at one point they called me and see

832
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: it and to see if I would sign with it.

833
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: I mean, what did they sign like seven guys? Six

834
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: or seven? Yeah? Yeah, and then they drafted forward. No.

835
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Speaker 1: I think I talked to you guys about this before.

836
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Speaker 1: I'm a believer in throwing numbers at the position. I'm

837
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: a believer in depth you know, you're also talking about

838
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: a guy that you know multiple years in Buffalo. I

839
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: didn't start the opener, but the one ye are started

840
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: five games either you're a start of thirteen games. I

841
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: mean the reality is you're six and seven guys are

842
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: gonna play, and they're gonna play a lot. So now

843
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: not only will they be able to get a very

844
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: comp in starting five, but there's six and seven are

845
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: gonna be good. I mean they got very real competition

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Speaker 1: for not only the starting spots but for the top

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Speaker 1: backup jobs. I mean they're gonna end up cutting a

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Speaker 1: guy or two that gets picked up on waivers elsewhere

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Speaker 1: as final cuts. Interesting. Hey, Ross, great to talk with you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. We'll be in touch. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Sounds great, guys, take care, Thanks for Ross Tucker played

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Speaker 1: offensive line here, where the Bills played six seasons in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, host of the Ross Tucker Podcast Radio dot

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Speaker 1: Com NFL Insider. Hey, O our Twitter poll today, who

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Speaker 1: is your offensive training camp sleeper? There could be offensive

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Speaker 1: linemen on that list, even though it's not on our

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Speaker 1: agenda on the Twitter poll, but give us a call.

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Speaker 1: Let's discuss eight oh three, five fifty toll free one

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Speaker 1: eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty Steve and

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Speaker 1: I coming back One Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive

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Speaker 1: on Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back, It's One Bill's Live.

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00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: John Murphy and Steve Tasker. Day before we had to

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Speaker 1: training camp, looking forward to that. It is spectacularly beautiful

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Speaker 1: weather outside. I hope it's like this tomorrow in Rochester,

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Speaker 1: in Pittsford. It's perfect. It is. I've already declared it.

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Speaker 1: I was outside on the phone today because I just

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Speaker 1: took a call and went outside and one of our groundskeepers,

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Speaker 1: Billy Collins, and Billy, look at this best day of

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Speaker 1: the year. It is the best weather day of the

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Speaker 1: year today here in Buffalo. It's amazing. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: like mid to lows seventies, sunny temperature right here. It

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Speaker 1: is gorgeous out. It's it's unbelievable. Now, what's it got

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Speaker 1: to do with the show? Nothing but tomorrow. It's seventy

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Speaker 1: five and our show is done inside. Yeah, but tomorrow

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Speaker 1: outside seventy five here in Orchard Park right now and

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Speaker 1: beautiful weather. All right now, I gotta look at tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: But before we do that, let's revisit our Twitter poll.

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Speaker 1: I gotta look at Pittsford weather for tomorrow. Our Twitter

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Speaker 1: poll is a good one as we get set for

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Speaker 1: training camp. But we want to hear from you. What

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Speaker 1: do you think the offensive sleeper the offensive side of

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Speaker 1: the ball, the sleeper at training camp? Now, don't try

883
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Speaker 1: to extend this into the regular season even preseason games.

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Speaker 1: You know they're they're out of camp at about two

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Speaker 1: and a half weeks. So this is the offensive sleeper.

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Speaker 1: Who's good? A guy that is under the radar, that's

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Speaker 1: going to have a good couple of weeks here first

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Speaker 1: few weeks officially one day away from training camp. On

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Speaker 1: the Twitter poll right now, with more than eight hundred

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Speaker 1: votes in, it's close. Does that make it a good poll? Steve?

891
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Speaker 1: I think it does. This is a really good poll.

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Speaker 1: Twenty nine percent say Devin Singletary, twenty eight percent say

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Speaker 1: the undrafted rookie wide receiver David Sills, Twenty four percent

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Speaker 1: say third round pick Downson Knox, nineteen percent say the

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Speaker 1: CFL veteran Duke Williams. That's about as close as we

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Speaker 1: ever get on this with four choices. Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 1: really good tool. Is a great Twitter and tell me

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Speaker 1: why we don't have other in there because I wanted

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Speaker 1: to put because I want to put Devin Singletary on

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Speaker 1: because you know why, he made the argument that he's

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Speaker 1: not really a sleeper. No it's not, but I like him.

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Speaker 1: I like him on I like him on there, and

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Speaker 1: we should talk about one of the other guys on there.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Let's firstlet's take a go to the

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Speaker 1: tweet sheet. What do you think? Yeah? Tweet sheet by

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Speaker 1: Corrigan Moving Systems, the official movers of the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 1: The tweet sheet started from Jordan. He says, Duke Williams

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Speaker 1: need target for the end zone, good size, need big

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Speaker 1: body for the end zone. Uh, need a big body

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Speaker 1: for the end zone. That's from Jordan. He thinks Duke

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Speaker 1: Williams is going to be the sleeper. And another one

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Speaker 1: from Jack he says, don't sleep on Tommy Sweeney's a

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Speaker 1: good blocker, has great hands. He's the other tight end

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Speaker 1: the Bills drafted. And let's face it that with with

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Speaker 1: Tyler Croft being injured and for a significant amount of time,

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Speaker 1: that tight end with Jason Krum there and that tight

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Speaker 1: end room is wide open. I mean they're we're gonna

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Speaker 1: see some some guys make a move. There's the status

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Speaker 1: physical status of Jason Croom when they report tomorrow and

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Speaker 1: get on the field tomorrow. He couldn't finish up at

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Speaker 1: the end of the mini camp. Now he's hold six weeks,

922
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Speaker 1: should be ready, but we'll see. Let's see about that.

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Speaker 1: And one from Timmy on the tweet sheet. One more

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Speaker 1: from the tweet sheet. Timmy says Sills David Sills has

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Speaker 1: been my guy since he was picked up. But he

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Speaker 1: isn't a sleeper anymore. I think he is, but he continues,

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Speaker 1: I'll go with quarterback Tyree Jackson. I'm going to predict

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Speaker 1: he may end up being the number two after camp.

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Speaker 1: Having him and Allen is one and two would mean

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Speaker 1: the offense doesn't have to change should anything happen to Allen.

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Speaker 1: I hear you, Timmy, I read you loud and clear.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really unlikely. Just my observation from mini

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Speaker 1: camp watching Tyree Jackson. I don't see that happening, But

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Speaker 1: don't see that happening with Tyree. I think Tyree Jackson

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Speaker 1: is a prospect for a year or two out and

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Speaker 1: if I'd be stunned if he became the number two.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I think it might be he'd be approaching

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Speaker 1: recklessness if the Bills make him the number two quarterback

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Speaker 1: behind Josh Allen. Now I see the logic because he

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Speaker 1: is more physically like Josh Allen. Big arm, big athlete,

941
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Speaker 1: can scramble, can move around a little bit. Matt Barkley

942
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Speaker 1: is more of an anticipatory throw. He's got to get

943
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Speaker 1: the ball out quick. He's got to get the ball.

944
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Speaker 1: He's got to anticipate what's going to happen. He sees

945
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Speaker 1: the defense, reads the defense, makes throws in the indos.

946
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Speaker 1: He's got to be a more cerebral quarterback because he

947
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Speaker 1: doesn't have that the enormous arms. So Tyree Jackson and

948
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen are a lot alike, and ostensibly you wouldn't

949
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Speaker 1: have to change too much if Josh Allen goes down.

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Speaker 1: The problem is one thing you'd be changing is you'd

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Speaker 1: be going to a guy who's been playing pro football

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Speaker 1: for about a month. And that ain't good. We saw

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Speaker 1: that last year with this team. You cannot have nothing

954
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Speaker 1: but young quarterbacks waiting to come into the game. Matt

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Speaker 1: Barkley is a guy who's it's not gonna the moment's

956
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: not gonna be too big for him. You don't have

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Speaker 1: to worry about whether he's gonna be able to handle

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Speaker 1: an NFL game. Matt Barkley has done it, and I

959
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: think the team knows the value of having a steady

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00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: hand at the backup rather than a rookie who may

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Speaker 1: or may not be ready for it. Ye. Hey, are

962
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: you interested in the rumblings about Clowney for the Bills

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Speaker 1: or anywhere else? We are too. We're gonna talk with

964
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Speaker 1: a guy who knows a thing or two about it.

965
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Speaker 1: John Harris is the Houston Texans football analyst on Texans

966
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Speaker 1: dot com Texans Sideline reporter. He's gonna join us next

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Speaker 1: when we come back after the top of the hour.

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Speaker 1: We are a day away from training camp and about

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Speaker 1: what nine days away from the return of the Blue

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00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: in the Red. If you can't make it the training camp,

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Speaker 1: you can come and see the Bill's practice on Friday,

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Speaker 1: August second, six to fifteen pm here in New Airfield.

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Speaker 1: The gates open at five fifteen. They'll have interactive games,

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Speaker 1: photo ops, a lot more the return of the Blue

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Speaker 1: on the Red. You're gonna need a ticket to go

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Speaker 1: see this and the tickets are available, including right now

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Speaker 1: at the Bill Store New Airfield, One Bill Drive, One

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Speaker 1: Bills Drive also Tops Markets, Mount Read Boulevard in Rochester,

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Speaker 1: Tops Markets, Maple Road in Buffalo, seven eleven Southwestern Boulevard,

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Speaker 1: West Seneca, Crosby's Main Street in Clarence, and oko A

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Speaker 1: Plus Mainstream in Williamsville. That's where you get a ticket voucher.

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Speaker 1: It is a mobile ticket, use your phone and then

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Speaker 1: you can come in to watch the Bill's practice the

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Speaker 1: Return of the Blue and the Red at New Airfield Friday,

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Speaker 1: August second. Steve and I coming back with more One

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Speaker 1: Bills Live from One Bills Drive on Buffalo Bills Radio,

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00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: Bills Radio Network Stories Days the update from One Bills Drive.

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Speaker 1: It is report day for the Buffalo Bills. Their twentieth

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00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: training camp at Saint John Fisher College is underway. Players

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Speaker 1: reported in a Pittsburgh this morning. They have meetings at

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Speaker 1: Conditioning Test today. First practice is tomorrow forty five am.

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00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: We'll be there. Steve and I'll be doing the showdown

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Speaker 1: there noon to three. No ticket required if you want

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Speaker 1: to show up for the Bills first training camp practice

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00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: tomorrow nine forty five at Saint John Fisher Buffalo, one

996
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Speaker 1: of eighteen NFL teams reporting four training camp today. Veterans

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00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: for thirteen teams and five full teams are set to

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00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: open camp today, including the Bills. Rookies for the Bengals, Rams,

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00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: and Steelers are scheduled to report today for a camp

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Speaker 1: as well. Most practice days begin tomorrow. Green Bay Packers

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00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: made a surprising move today ahead a training camp. Dave

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00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: Packers are releasing defensive lineman Mike Daniels. Green Bay shopped

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00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: him around a Pro Bowl or a couple of years ago,

1004
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: but could not find a trade partner. Daniels was due

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00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 1: eight point one million in bass salary and some roster bonuses.

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00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: The move saves the Packers eight point three million dollars.

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Speaker 1: He is thirty years old. Yannick and Gockway will withhold

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Speaker 1: his services from the Jacksonville Jaguars during this camp. The

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Speaker 1: Jags pass rusher will not report the camp with his

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Speaker 1: teammates today. He's given mandatory mini camp until his contract

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00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: desires our met. He says he'll stay out. He previously

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Speaker 1: attended some ata OTAs. Jaguars defensive back Jalen Ramsey showed

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Speaker 1: up a training camp at an armored Bank truck today.

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Speaker 1: He did show up. Ramsey said the Jaguars are not

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Speaker 1: going to give him a contract extension this year, and

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00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: so he says, you're gonna ask for much more money.

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Speaker 1: Showed up in the back of an armored truck, bringing

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Speaker 1: the money issue right back to the front of the table.

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Speaker 1: Ramsey wrote in the back of the truck had his

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Speaker 1: own MC and Jalen Ramsey made a splash on the

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Speaker 1: first day of training camp. Running back Melvin Gordon has

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Speaker 1: told the Chargers he will not report the training camp today.

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Speaker 1: Well in the West rest of the team reports Gordon's

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00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: scheduled to make five point six million this year. He

1025
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 1: wants a new contract. The Buffalo Bisen's matched a modern

1026
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: team record last night, seven home runs in an eight

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Speaker 1: one win over Charlotte Knights. Bison's play at Charlotte again tonight,

1028
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: and that's the update from one Bill's drive. Come on, Steve,

1029
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: seven home runs. That's impressive. Seven home runs. It's either

1030
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: a home run, a strikeout, or a walk. Nobody ever

1031
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: gets nobody ever gets a base hit anymore. It's just

1032
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: you know, mister baseball. Steve Tasker, welcome to the show. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we've spent some time today talking about obviously Bill's training

1034
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: camp and Jadavian Clowney, who is not going to report

1035
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Speaker 1: until he has to. It appears, did not get a

1036
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Speaker 1: contract extension before the deadline Monday. Joining us on the

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Speaker 1: line to talk more about Clowney and a couple of

1038
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: other issues is football analysts for Houston Texans dot Com.

1039
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Speaker 1: He's the Texans sideline radio reporter. He's the owner of

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Speaker 1: Football Takeover dot Com. John Harris on the line with

1041
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Speaker 1: us from Houston. John, thanks for coming on, John Murphy

1042
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Speaker 1: and Steve Tasker up here. We appreach it you spend

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Speaker 1: it some time with us here today. Thank you absolutely, guys.

1044
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Speaker 1: Anytime I can talk ball anywhere about we usually wind up.

1045
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Speaker 1: We usually wind up talking football off to the side

1046
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Speaker 1: at the Combine or the Super Bowl. Right, It's good

1047
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Speaker 1: to have a chance to get with you on the

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Speaker 1: eve of training camp for both of us Texans. What

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Speaker 1: reported on the field tomorrow is that how it goes, John, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's exactly right. Then in the building, been seeing players

1051
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Speaker 1: all morning in the cafeteria and around the training room,

1052
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Speaker 1: in the weight room, so it feels like it's back.

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Speaker 1: And then we'll kick it off tomorrow morning at eight

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Speaker 1: o'clock right here in Houston for the first time in

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00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: a couple of years. So yeah, it's gonna be good

1056
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: to be back here in the seat. Although we did

1057
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: enjoy West Virginia. It's kind of as a seventy five

1058
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: degree weather training camp, but we'll wake up tomorrow to

1059
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: probably about ninety one or nine and two degrees. It

1060
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: will be nice and salty camp. Why is the decision

1061
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: by the Texans to move everything in the house training camp?

1062
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: What went into that call? Well, I think the biggest thing,

1063
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: as crazy as stabs is maybe a little bit of money.

1064
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: I mean, the Texans aren't hurting for money, but Dave

1065
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: installed the virtual reality walk the room. They've installed the

1066
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: hydro works kind of a rehab pool sort of thing

1067
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,959
Speaker 1: in their training room, and they just felt like those

1068
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: things were more readily available here in Houston than what

1069
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: they could get at the Greenbrier. So I think that

1070
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: was probably the main reason. And I think there were

1071
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: some bets saying, look, you know, we've been this for

1072
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: a couple of years. Let's to get back home to

1073
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: be around our families. Let's normalize this thing a little bit.

1074
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: So I think all about playing in the decision to

1075
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: come back here to Houston and survive the Keith for

1076
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: another training camp. Sorry, give us a little bit of

1077
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: the big picture. In Houston. You've got Jadeveon Clown who

1078
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: doesn't is not going to come in for training camp

1079
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: because of his contract situation. You don't have a general manager.

1080
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: Brian Gaine was was let go in this offseason and

1081
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: not replaced. This is a team with some expectations. Though.

1082
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: What's the vibe coming out of Houston? Yeah, I think

1083
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 1: see that's probably dead on. I mean it's I think

1084
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: everybody's a little bit on edge to kind of see

1085
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: how it's gonna work. I mean, the news of Brian

1086
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: Gaine being fired here in Houston was a complete and

1087
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: total shock. I mean that's a It's a Friday in June,

1088
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: and for my radio show, which is from six to

1089
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: seven and nine, a figure, Look, it's Friday the summer.

1090
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna record this whole thing, and you gotta

1091
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: died in a few hours earlier, right, And I get

1092
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 1: a call You're gonna have to change your entire show,

1093
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: but nobody will tell me what's going on. And then

1094
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: later on A found the news and I think there

1095
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: was a little bit shock with that, and then the

1096
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: pursuit of Nick Caserios with the Patriots and camping and

1097
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: all that. It's like, man, okay, what's going on. I

1098
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: think people in Houstin for the most part, outside the

1099
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: building are a little bit uneasy about what's going on. Like,

1100
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: wait a second, No, you gotta have a general as

1101
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: you gotta have a coach. It's how you do it.

1102
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: And the texts are taking a different approach. So if

1103
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: it works, yeah, maybe there might be some teams that emulated.

1104
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll see as far as Fownny goes.

1105
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, guys, I've sort of seen this coming

1106
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: for the last couple of years. I wasn't really surprised,

1107
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: given what we have heard his contract demand's arm and that,

1108
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: I was not too surprising. And I hope Jad comes

1109
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: into camp, and I think you will eventually come into

1110
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: camp and get himself ready for week one. That's what

1111
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: we've heard all along, heard that from multiple people, multiple

1112
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 1: people close to JD and have said that. But Bill

1113
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 1: Bryant's just because you can go about his business with

1114
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: what's here, and I think the difference in years past,

1115
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: as I was supposed to this year because we have

1116
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: to Shaun Watson. We have a quarterback, so you guys

1117
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 1: are buff to have a quarterback. We have a quarterback

1118
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: and we didn't have one for a long time, and

1119
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: we feel like, look, we could go on a field

1120
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: against anybody with number four at the helm and we

1121
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: feel like we've got a chance. So for those that

1122
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: are feeling yet there's a little bit of dysfunction and

1123
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: oh we're not comfortable with what's going on. Oh yeah,

1124
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: here's a quarterback position and go, okay, we feel pretty

1125
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: good about what we have. They're leading the team all

1126
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: less we had for a long long time here at Houston. Yeah.

1127
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: I have two part questions for you about clowney situation,

1128
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: John Harris, our guest Houston Texans dot com football analysts.

1129
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: Two parts here, you said you got a sense of

1130
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: what his contract demands might be. Can you tell us

1131
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: what that ballpark looks like? And part two of the question,

1132
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: did a disagreement over Clowney being resigned? Does that play

1133
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: into the split up between Bill O'Brien and uh and

1134
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: Um and the GM Brian gag I'll I don't believe so.

1135
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 1: On that last one, John, I don't believe that had

1136
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: anything to do with Brian not being here in twenty

1137
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: nineteen and beyond and the area Jerematry, I don't think

1138
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: that was what it was at all. Now as far

1139
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: as planning goes, we've we've heard from multiple people that

1140
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: he's looking for money on par with Khalil Mack and

1141
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, two guys in his twenty fourteen draft class

1142
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: that he feels like and his his representation feels like

1143
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: he's in that ballpark. And I don't know what the

1144
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: Sexton's offered. I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure that's

1145
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: what his guide is looking for. And look, I don't

1146
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: blame him. Mean, JD is one of the most disrupted

1147
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: people you're gonna find on the defensive front in the NFL.

1148
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: But he's not a pass rusher. He's not a tremendous

1149
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: pass rusher. I think that's probably where the impact wise

1150
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: is thick. You know a lot of plays against the run,

1151
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: you're excelling gainst around. He's going a gus I've ever

1152
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: seen playing the run anywhere ever, And I want to

1153
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: JJ Watt regularly Dad is from menus against the run,

1154
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,439
Speaker 1: but with the pass rush He's never gotten the double

1155
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: to his sacks. He's never gotten that number, and I

1156
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 1: think if he couldn't get that number, then I think, yeah,

1157
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: maybe you could make a case for him making significant

1158
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: money beyond DeMarcus Lawrence and beyond Frank Clark. But it's

1159
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: in the class of Aaron Donald and Cuil Max. I

1160
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: don't know if he's at that level, but I definitely

1161
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: feel like he is in the class of De Marcus

1162
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: from de Marcus Morris, from Frank Hard and you just

1163
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: saw Dadguars. They offered Donathan Dockway money below them, and

1164
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: I think he's a better pass rusher than the markets

1165
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: sports for Frank Park. So that's what I think Karnier

1166
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: is looking for. Again, you know, you hear from different people.

1167
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: Maybe that's not exactly what it is, but my feeling

1168
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: is he wants to be paid on par with the

1169
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: guys he feels like in his draft class that he

1170
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: is on par with, that being Aaron Donald Coil. What

1171
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: has Bill O'Brien, the head coach, said about Jadeveon Clown

1172
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: in the soft season, Well, guys, you know Bill comes

1173
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: from the Patriot system. He doesn't say much at all,

1174
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: he said back at the Combine when he was asked

1175
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: about JD and the contract situation, he says, essentially, at

1176
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: that point, Jad's been doing work. I trust him to

1177
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: do work. He's gonna work his butt off, and whenever

1178
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: he comes back to us, he's gonna play hard for us.

1179
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: And that's probably what he'll say tomorrow when he meets

1180
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: with the media after practice. I don't think he'll elaborate anymore.

1181
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: You won't talk about the contract situation. He'll just tell

1182
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: you when he shows up, he'll ball out and we'll

1183
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: go from there. And that's literally all he'll say. Other

1184
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: than that, he won't say a whole heck of a

1185
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: lot about that situation. He won't allude to it. If

1186
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: he's asked the second question about it, he'll justrefer everybody

1187
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: back to the first question and answer the first question,

1188
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: and he won't elaborate on it whatsoever. Another one out

1189
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: of the question. I think it's my last question about

1190
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: Clowney for you, John. So, if the deadline passes the

1191
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: other day for an extension by the Texans, what does

1192
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: that mean for a trade? Do you see a trade

1193
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: coming that they might trade Clowney away? And if so,

1194
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: what can that trading partner do with his contract nothing.

1195
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: Do they just have to handle the one year franchise

1196
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: tag him out? How does that work? Yes, yeah, that's

1197
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: exactly it. Because the deadline passed on a deal for him,

1198
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: he could be traded, but I don't really if Texans

1199
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: would want to trade him, because then they wouldn't receive

1200
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: any kind of fruits of their labor, if you will,

1201
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: until the twenty twenty draft. So if they were going

1202
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: to trade him, I would have felt like they would

1203
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: have traded him Poper Frank clarkof traded just prior to

1204
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: the draft, which allowed the Seahawks to get a first

1205
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: round pick in the twenty nineteen draft, because they wouldn't

1206
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: get anything for JD until the twenty twenty draft. I

1207
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: think they're gonna just go as is. The thought is

1208
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: that he will get back into camp at some point.

1209
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: Might be wait, but he's gonna get back at some

1210
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: point and play them play his twenty nineteen season on

1211
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: the tank. I don't believe anything, and signed him until

1212
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: the end of the year, so I don't think he

1213
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: will be traded. I mean it could happen, but I

1214
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: don't know what in return. The Texans would want unless

1215
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: they included a player that could play right away and

1216
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: then some future draft picks. And I know a lot

1217
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: of it's been brought for US is Trent Williams with Washington.

1218
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: You know, hey Washington, you know, trade for Clowney and

1219
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: in part of that package would be try Williams. The

1220
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: problem with Washington. If Washington has anything on the defensive

1221
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: side of the ball, it's pass rushers. They got Ryan Kerrigan.

1222
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,919
Speaker 1: They just draft a month at sweat, So I don't

1223
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: know that Washington really has the need for him. I

1224
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: think anybody else would want to give draft picks. I

1225
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: don't really that Texas would do that without a player

1226
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: that could impact the twenty nineteen season being part of

1227
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: that package. We're talking to John Harris. He's a Texans

1228
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: sideline reporter for the Houston Texans football radio broadcast. I

1229
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: gotta ask you one thing about your quarterback to Shaun Watson.

1230
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: There's some people who are saying, well, is he going

1231
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,919
Speaker 1: to continue to improve? Is he going to take another step?

1232
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: Last year? I don't know that there's another step. The

1233
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: needs that the guy had twenty six touchdowns, nine interceptions

1234
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: through for four almost forty two hundred yards had a

1235
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: rating of one h three point one. He had a

1236
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: really nice year. Are there people that are expecting more

1237
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: from Deshaun Watson this year or do they like the

1238
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: guy they got last year? Well, Steve, you know how

1239
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: expectations go right. You know, a guy has a really

1240
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: good start to his rookie year and they obviously get

1241
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: hurt halfway through, and we spent months, Oh, we can't

1242
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: wait till September. We can't wait till September. We want

1243
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: to see the Shawan. And I think the people in

1244
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: Houston looked at the Seawan because we haven't had a

1245
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: quarterback for so long as this favior. So time he's

1246
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: come to town, he's that guy. And I think the

1247
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: expectations for people were so immense, and what they failed

1248
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: to remember was the fact that he was coming off

1249
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: an acutre. He played behind an offensive line that gave

1250
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: up sixty two sacks, and yet he threw four over

1251
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: four thousand, twenty five touchdowns. He ran for our five hundred,

1252
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: had six rushing touchdowns. No quarterback has ever put together

1253
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: those numbers any season, rushing in and throwing all the

1254
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: end of the season in history in the NFL and

1255
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: he did that in just his second year as a

1256
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: starter behind that offensive line without will Fuller and without

1257
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: really a true life Big Five running games. So I

1258
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: think if he's able to get some help on the

1259
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: offensive line where they could cut those sacks out significant least,

1260
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: he'll get the outset former Lamar Miller in the backfield

1261
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: and he gets will Fuller back. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: good opportunity for him to put up even bigger numbers

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Speaker 1: and then I think naturally people might pay a little

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Speaker 1: bit more intensions. But unfortunately, I think what happened was

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Speaker 1: as much as he carried us last year in that

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01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: playoff game against the Colts, the nation had a chance

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Speaker 1: to see him at his worst. He had his worst

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Speaker 1: game of the year in the at the worst time,

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Speaker 1: and he would tell you that for the Meanimkam was

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Speaker 1: a tough all the way around. Gander Hopkins is banged up,

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Speaker 1: everybody else was hurt. The Colt n our number at

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Speaker 1: that point of the season, and he didn't play seeing

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Speaker 1: me well. So I think that's really what people, the

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01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: taste in their mouth of people were left with. And

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01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: that's unfortunity because there were games last year guys that

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01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 1: we have no business winning if Number four isn't making

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01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: the plays that he made for us, and he will

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Speaker 1: continue to do that. He's coming off the healthy offseason.

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01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: I think he's really got a good opportunity to be

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01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: one of the top ten quarterbacks in the league with

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Speaker 1: a great year in twenty nineteen. John I gotta get

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Speaker 1: your take on a former Texan, former Texans first round

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01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,439
Speaker 1: draft pick, Kevin Johnson, who's in here with the Bills

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Speaker 1: now trying to win a spot as a cornerback. What

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Speaker 1: do the Bills get when they got Kevin Johnson this offseason. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you, Joe. When I saw him the first

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Speaker 1: time back in twenty fifteen, I thought he was one

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Speaker 1: of the quickest guys I ever saw. I mean his

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01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: transitional quickness just im of his brokes, you know, breaking

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Speaker 1: on short throws from off coverage. I was like, man,

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01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: this guy's incredible. And he had a really good rookie

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Speaker 1: year and then he was blossoming in his second year

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Speaker 1: into a guy that we thought we were gonna rely

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Speaker 1: on for ten to twelve years. But he had a

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Speaker 1: foot of injury after our Sunday night game against the Poles,

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01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: and he had helped y Hills in check, which we

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01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: don't do. He got Hilton goes crazy against Uff. He

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01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: held Hilton the three catches for thirty six yards. It's

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Speaker 1: the only game that we've beaten the Colts at Energy

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Speaker 1: Stadium in the last five years, and it was in

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01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: large part because of what Kevin did that night. Well,

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01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: he broke his foot. He missed the rest of the

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Speaker 1: sixteen season, and he never got back where that his

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01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: confidence level was. And I talked to Kevin in twenty seventeen,

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01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: were at the Greenbrier, and I had an interview with

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01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: him and I said, I said, confidence is the big deal,

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01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: is it not? And you looked at me. His eyes

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01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: got really big and he said absolutely. He said, I've

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01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: got to get my confidence back. He said, I'm big

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Speaker 1: on confidence. If I have confidence out in the field,

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01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: I can do anything. And last year it was just

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01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: a case for him that he just got a concussion

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01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: in preseason and he got one in Week one and

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01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: just never could get right. But if he's physically right

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01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: and he gets his confidence and he's back with John Butler,

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01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: who coached him here in Houston, I think there's there's value.

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01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: And Kevin Johnson and look you guys, which Davious White.

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01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: You have a guy that can cover half, you know,

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01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: take over one side of the field as it is.

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01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: I think Kevin comes in with a little much pressure

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01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: that he can kind of work into that spot. Were

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01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: talking about, quick, fast, tough, a guy that does it,

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01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: back down from anybody. I love Kevin Johnson. I love

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01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: the Wanna field, while the Massa field, he just lost

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01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: his confidence when he was not fully healthy and trying

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01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: to play through it, and he never got that back,

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01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: and because of the concussions in twenty eighteen, he never

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01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: got back on the field. I hope in a new

1329
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: scenery up in Buffalo. Talked to Sal about this. I

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01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: think he's a whale of a guy. I think he's

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01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: got a really good opportunity to come into camp and

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01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: just compete and show what he can do. And I

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01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: think you guys will really like him. He's got Davious White.

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01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: He's not Jalen Ramsey, but he's a good, solid football

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01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: player who could find his way on the field at

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01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: worst case in SEB packet situation. Yeah, I hope you're right, Ay,

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Speaker 1: john Last question for you, and it's about the Texans

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01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: in general. Twenty nineteen. I think this is my opinion.

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01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 1: I think they're being overlooked. Eleven wins last year division title.

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01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 1: I know the Colts are improving a lot of people

1341
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: like the Jaguars, but are people overlooking the Houston Texas

1342
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: as far as a legitimate contender at least for the

1343
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: division title down there? I think so, John, I think

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01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, I think again, going back to

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01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: the Colts game, I'll look at the Colts, look at

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01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: the Colts did in the Texans. I think the other

1347
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: aspect is the offensive line, and that we really won't know.

1348
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: And I used the cult of the Jastle last year

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01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: going into the year, people, fuck, the Colts were one

1350
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: of the worst teams in the league, and oh my gosh,

1351
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: they're gonna start a rookie at guard and they might

1352
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: have another rookie, Brandon Smith step in. And then when

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01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: they put those two rookies in the lineup, and the

1354
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: offensive line became one of the top five offensive lines

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01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: in the league. And I mean, you guys got a

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01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: chance to see that about when things started clicking for them.

1357
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: You guys had a chance to see them. We saw

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01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: two weeks prior when it hadn't really clicked in. We

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01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: saw in Laton year how good the offensive line is,

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01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: and now things change because Luck is healthy, he's got

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01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: some weapons. I mean, it's a similar situation of the Texans,

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01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: but the Colts have a much better offensive line, at

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01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: least on paper. Now, we drafted two players in the

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01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: first and second round. Whether they play tack or a guard,

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01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: they're good football players and we've got to get good

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01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: value out of them. But if we can get an

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Speaker 1: offensive line that can protect a little bit better, and

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Speaker 1: let's say you cut the sacks and high I don't

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01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 1: think you've really got an offense that you've got to

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Speaker 1: contend with. Because you got Will Fuller back, you got

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01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: the outdate form it back, You'll have Ptqt in the slot,

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Speaker 1: a guy that really can be dynamic. You'll put all

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01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: those pieces together and now your offense can be where

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Speaker 1: it is. We have to protect the Sean and we

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01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: got to stop somebody throwing the football because over the

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01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: last probably five to six weeks, we couldn't stop running

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01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: water I should say throwing water, because we couldn't stop

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01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 1: anybody throwing the football with any sort of acumen. I mean,

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01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: Nick Foles let us up in Philadelphia. Andrew Luck has

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01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: deal days against using multiplayoff game and the regular season

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01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: game at the end of the year, and Baker Mayfield

1382
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 1: the second half let us up. So we've got to

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01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: be able to cover. We've got to stop some people

1384
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: will let our guys get to the quarterback, and then

1385
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 1: we got to protect the sean. They We're able to

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01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: do those things better than last year. So we got

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01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: a good shot to be a really good team in

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01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 1: the FC this year. You got an agenda. Everybody does

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Speaker 1: his time here, John, thanks for this great talking with

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Speaker 1: They have a great camp. We'll talk again absolutely. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: John Harris is talented Houston Texans dot com football analyst,

1392
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: sideline radio reporter for the Houston Texans, the owner of

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Speaker 1: Football Takeover dot com. Thank you for joining us, Johnny.

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Speaker 1: A couple of interesting things I see more than a couple.

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01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 1: I I took notice when he described Jadavian Clowney. He said,

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01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: basically he's not a pass rusher, has trouble rushing the past,

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01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 1: which is interesting because he's got U. J. J. Watt

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01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: on the other side some of the time, not all

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01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: the time now with his injuries. And he said he

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01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: is dynamite against the run. I know he was really

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01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 1: a force in the game against Buffalo last year in

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01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: the in the seat in the regular season, in the

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01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: game that they narrowly won in the last two minutes. Uh.

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01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 1: And he's right if without those sack numbers, it's hard

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01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 1: to get that guy up there with Khalil Mack and

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01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald and all those other guys that you know,

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01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: it's hard to ask for. The guy's gonna ask for it,

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01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,560
Speaker 1: and if he if he wants to get it, and

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01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: it's gonna take some some maneuvering business wise to get

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01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 1: him out of Houston, particularly at this point, it's kind

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01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: of almost impossible. So he's gonna play under that and

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01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 1: he's but I think, like I said before, I think

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Speaker 1: the Texans are in the perfect spot with Jadavian Clowney

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01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: business wise. They've got him in a year when they're

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Speaker 1: getting him at undervalue in my opinion, at sixteen million bucks,

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01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 1: which sounds crazy, but it is, it's crazy exactly right.

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01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: But they've got him at an undervalue. They've also got

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Speaker 1: him in a year where he's highly motivated to be productive.

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01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: So those two things kind of work in the Texans favor.

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01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 1: They're coming off an eleven wins season. They need him

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Speaker 1: to play well, and I think Bill O'Brien's under it little.

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01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, they did have a good

1423
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: year last year, so I think Bill O'Brien's okay. But

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01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 1: they don't have a general manager. There's always certainly it

1425
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: has to do with maybe some uncertainty at the top

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01:09:56,200 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: of their organization after mister McNair passing away. But I

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01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: think there's there's some people over there in Houston just

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01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 1: you get that feeling coming out of their organization to

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01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: people are on pins and needles. They released their general manager.

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01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: You know, Bill O'Brien is now spreading out that responsibility

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01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: with other players. I just think that there's a lot

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01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: of uncertainty in that organization. For that reason. I looked

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01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 1: it up there and when John Harris said it about

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01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: the clowny wants money comparable to Aaron Donald and Khalil Mack,

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01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: just to refresh my memory. Donald six year deal, one

1436
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,919
Speaker 1: hundred thirty five million dollars total all kinds of guaranteed

1437
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: money and he averages out to twenty two million a year.

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01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack six years, one forty one he averages out

1439
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: to twenty three million a year and he's going to

1440
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 1: make sixty million a year, so he is underpaid in

1441
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: that sense. The fact that a team to trade for him,

1442
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: whether it's a Bills or anybody else, all they can

1443
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: do a quitting to our buddy Mike Geninia spot track,

1444
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: all the Bills or anybody else could do would be

1445
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: just strike a one year deal only for twenty nineteen,

1446
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: and it has to be for at least a franchise

1447
01:10:57,200 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 1: tag number or higher, which is eight. You can't extend it.

1448
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: So you'd have to give him like what eighteen twenty

1449
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: million bucks to get him out of Houston, to get

1450
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 1: him to say, y'all sign my ten one year and

1451
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 1: and the Houston's gonna trade me. So if he signs

1452
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: his tender, then Houston would have the ability to trade

1453
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: him to another team. You'd have to come up with

1454
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: the money to pay him the eighteen million this year

1455
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: and something for the Texans draft pick player you have it.

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01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: So that's a big numbers a lot, that's a that's

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Speaker 1: a that's a yeah. We talked more about this. Phone

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01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: lines open eight O three five fifty toll free one

1459
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 1: eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty. We're on

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01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: the EVA Bills training camp will be there tomorrow and

1461
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: we are asking you on Twitter and on the phone lines,

1462
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 1: who is your sleeper for the Bills at camp just

1463
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: these weeks of camp on the offensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: Give us a call eight O three oh five fifty

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01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: or toll free one eight eight eight five fifty two

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01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 1: five fifty. Who is your training camp sleeper on the

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01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball? Send it a tweet. We

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01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 1: might read it on the tweet sheet. Are we doing

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01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: lunch today? What's for lunch? Yeah, we can do us

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Speaker 1: for lunch. Let's we come back all right, we'll do

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Speaker 1: what were the bottom of the come on back one

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Speaker 1: Bills five from One Bill's Drive on Buffalo Bill's Radio,

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Speaker 1: Welcome Back One Bill's Live. Steve just offered to talk

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01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 1: about something off the record. Let's put it on the record.

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01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 1: Darn it's a great topic. Yeah it is, and we'll

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01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: get to it. And it hasn't we're gonna be in

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01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,799
Speaker 1: the car. Aren't three hours every day? It started? It started?

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Speaker 1: But with this question, we're gonna do what's for lunch? Here?

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01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 1: Coming up right now? But we got this thing on

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01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 1: I said seventeen years ago or whatever it was. Eighteen

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01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: years ago on Draft Day, Eli Manning demanded a Draft

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01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 1: day trade after he was drafted number one overall by

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01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 1: the San Diego Chargers, and the Chargers traded him to

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01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 1: the New York He he The Chargers traded him to

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01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 1: the New York Giants and in return, the Chargers got

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers. Did Eli make the right choice because Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers had a much better individual numbers wise career,

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01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 1: But Eli won two Super Bowls? Do the Giants win

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01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: two Super Bowls with Eli? With Philip Rivers, he's the MVP.

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Speaker 1: Eli was. There's no question Eli made thet I agree,

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01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: but it's it's a it's a really interesting to think

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01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: about the landscape of the NFL and how it would

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01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:30,679
Speaker 1: have changed if those two guys would not have been traded. Yeah,

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01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 1: that's really an unbelievable draft because both those guys ended

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01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 1: up having well. Philip Rivers is an absolute first ballot

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Eli. You gotta think, well, he did

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Speaker 1: win two Super Bowls. Okay, right, He's been good. He's

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01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: been good. Philip Rivers has been unbelievable. Philip Rivers is

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01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 1: still playing unbelievable. They've been trying to kick Eli out

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Speaker 1: of New York for five years. That might be saying

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01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: more about New York than it is about Eli. I

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01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: get what you mean. It's an unbelievable Our mutual friend A. J.

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01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: Smith was general the Chargers back then, and you want

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01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 1: to have a good discussion about this, talk to Ag

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01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 1: about it now. He's I think he's retired. He might

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01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: do a little bit of work with his buddy Bruce

1507
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: Allen down in Washington, but he's free to speak about

1508
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: a lot of things now that he was not back

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01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 1: when that was going on. And he has some definite

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01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: thoughts about what the Mannings did to engineer that trade.

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01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: They did engineer it, Yeah, but they told him before

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01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 1: they were and I know AJ's friend of mine, I know.

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01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 1: But the Manning's handled it the way you should handle

1514
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: They were honest. They didn't want to play for the Chargers.

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01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 1: They thought it was a It was a bad, traditionally

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01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 1: bad organization that was poorly run, and they didn't want

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01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: their son playing for it. So they forced a draft

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01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:45,520
Speaker 1: day trade and went to one of the iconic franchises

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01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 1: in the league, and the guys that were working for

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01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 1: San Diego at the time, were like they hate him

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01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, because it was an insult. It was

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01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: an insult. Everybody can't get away with it. Hey, we're

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01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 1: talking about training camp. We're there tomorrow. I want to

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01:14:58,400 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: know from you on the offensive side of the ball,

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01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: who is the sleeper for the Bills? Your offensive training

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01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 1: camp sleeper? Training camp only, not talking about the season.

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Speaker 1: It's a close Twitter poll. The thousand votes in look

1528
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 1: how close this is. Twenty nine percent of you say

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01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary is your sleeper. I don't think he qualifies

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01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: as a sleeper. Twenty eight percent say David Sills. That's

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01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,640
Speaker 1: a sleeper. An undrafted rookie free agent would be your

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01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 1: training camp sleeper. Twenty four percent say Dawson Knox third

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01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 1: round pick. Nineteen percent say the CFL product Duke Williams.

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01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: What do you think? Give us a call? Lines open

1535
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 1: eight o three oh five fifty and toll free one

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01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 1: eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty for lunch. No,

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Speaker 1: I want to read a couple tweets. Five right, we'll wait,

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01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: your offensive training camp sleeper. The tweet sheet brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Corrigan Moving Systems, the official movers of the

1540
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. From Max on the tweet sheet, he says,

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01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 1: I'm going with Dawson Knox because there is more opportunity

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01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 1: there running back and wide receiver room is crowded. That's

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01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 1: a really good point, Max, really good point. Dawson Knox

1544
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 1: going to camp with you know, obviously Tyler Croft is

1545
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 1: going to be out for a while. We'll find out tomorrow.

1546
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: We would think a little bit more on Jason Krum's status.

1547
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:03,719
Speaker 1: Injured during the mini camp. And yeah, the doors wide

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01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: opened for Dawson Knox. He might be the training camp sleep.

1549
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 1: That's a great call too. And and also and you

1550
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 1: see if you can figure out why I read this

1551
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 1: tweet from Brian on the tweet sheet. Wow, great question.

1552
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 1: That's always good to start out with a compliment to us.

1553
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure what to choose because I can see

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01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,640
Speaker 1: all of them being good, but ultimately I picked Singletary.

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01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 1: He'll get a ton of reps and he'll force the

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01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: coaches to make a difficult decision. Too many running backs

1557
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: and one has to go. That's a good question, which

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01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 1: running backs the odd man out? A lot of people

1559
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 1: speculate you start at the top where the money is

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01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 1: and that makes the decision that would that would mean

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01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 1: obviously Lashawn McCoy other people in the football end of it,

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01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 1: they said, no, you the one who can't play, doesn't

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01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 1: get to play. Good topic for a show topic sometime

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01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 1: during camp. Well we'll keep it. You know, does are

1565
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:51,720
Speaker 1: there too many running backs? Is one to have to go?

1566
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: And if so, who? How do you see it? Right? Right? Yeah,

1567
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: big question this camp. And it comes down to special

1568
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: teams contributions. Although you know over the years those of

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01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 1: the Billy to contribute as diminished for guys, you know

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01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: what I mean, because of the d emphasis of that

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01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 1: segment of the game. So it's interesting. All right, let's

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01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 1: do lunch. All right, what's it for lunch? It's time

1573
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 1: and we're gonna these are menu items that we're either

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01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: gonna accept off the pick off the menu or we're

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01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:18,640
Speaker 1: not going to You got a choice of one of

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01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 1: the two. And here it is. Mark Sanchez announced his

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01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: retirement from the NFL after a ten years career last yesterday,

1578
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 1: and the question is for lunch, what's on the menu.

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01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: What's more memorable for Mark Sanchez is the butt fumble

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01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 1: or the fact that he went to back to back

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01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 1: AFC championship games in his first and second year. What's

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01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: more memorable? Sadly regrettably, the butt fumble is going to

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01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: be what people think about, right, But we mentioned this

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01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 1: when we had the story yesterday. Back to back AFC

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01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 1: championship games in his first two seasons in the league.

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01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 1: People should remember that too. But I get it. It's

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01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 1: a it was a it was a primetime Thanksgiving night game.

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01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: It was a touchdown off a fumble by a quarterback

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01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 1: when for some reason he just ran into his offensive

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01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 1: lineman's side. That's more memorable. I think it's regrettable too,

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Speaker 1: and I bet I wonder how Mark Sanchez would answer that.

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01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 1: It might be it might be more memorable. But I'm

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01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 1: not having butt fumble for lunch, So I'm taking back

1594
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:16,759
Speaker 1: to back AVC championship on this one second second, second

1595
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 1: item on the menu. Who's the more important tight end

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01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: Zach ERT's Philadelphia Eagles or George Kittle in the San

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01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine Ers. Good question, I think Kittle is.

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01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 1: I don't think there's enough other weapons around him for

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01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 1: Garoppolo to go to on the Niners. I think the

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01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 1: Eagles have a ton of good weapons. I would say

1601
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 1: Kittle is more important to his team. I agree. I

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01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 1: think there's a little less going on in San Francisco.

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01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 1: They're they're still looking, no question, they're a better football

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01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: team than they've been in the recent years, and the

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01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:47,600
Speaker 1: Kyle of Shanahan's responsible for that. I think Kittle exploited

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01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: that spot last year. And I think the forty nine

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01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 1: ers are still you know, they're still trying to get

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01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 1: to the CUSS. I don't know Philadelphi Eagles or two

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01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 1: years away from two years removed from winning the Super Bowl.

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01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: So there's a lot more going on in Philly offense

1611
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 1: of least particularly UH. And we're getting to more of

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01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 1: this uh San Francisco Philadelphia comparison later on the menu.

1613
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think so too. I think Kittle is

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01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 1: a guy who also exploded, and now they know they've

1615
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 1: got him. They didn't. I don't know if they were

1616
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 1: positive before this season, but man what he had a

1617
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: great year and proved that he's the guy to go to.

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01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 1: And I think now I think there's a little bit

1619
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: of dependency there by the San Francisco forty nine. So

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01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have that off the menu as well, thank

1621
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: and for that. All Right, Next, I'm not gonna I'm

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01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 1: gonna skip the running back duo. Okay, Then I'm gonna

1623
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 1: go down to hard knocks, better hard more talk about

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01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: Oh did I skip that? All right, I'm gonna go

1625
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 1: to this one. All right, quarterbacks, Next thing on the menu, Murph,

1626
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 1: This is the big one, This is the main course.

1627
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 1: Who has a better comeback season Jimmy Garoppolo or Carson Wentz.

1628
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 1: That's a good one, is a good one. I'm gonna

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01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: go Garoppolo. I think, um, I think Garoppolo. I think

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01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: he has more, he has to gain some ground. I mean,

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01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: Wentz has some accomplishments in his resume so far that

1632
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 1: Garoppolo doesn't have. I think Garoppolo's got talent obviously, and

1633
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 1: I think I think that's a guy just waiting to

1634
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 1: break out. The injury last year really really set him back.

1635
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 1: Does he have the weapons? Wentzays, No, we just talked

1636
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 1: about that. But he's got a really good offensive minded coach,

1637
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: as does Wentz. I think Garoppolo, though, will have a

1638
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 1: slightly better comeback season. And I was asking too when

1639
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: I said that, do you think it'll be strictly are

1640
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:31,600
Speaker 1: you evaluating this strictly on quarterback numbers or is this

1641
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 1: more like a team kind of thing? You know what?

1642
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 1: I mean all of the above, because the forty nine

1643
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 1: ers have a little bit further to go than the

1644
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. They didn't not make the playoffs last year.

1645
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 1: Garoppolo missed almost the entire season, so I kind of

1646
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:47,600
Speaker 1: tend to agree with you. I think Jimmy Garoppolo is

1647
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 1: at a point in his career where it's, you know,

1648
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 1: you're kind of waiting, You're kind of tired of waiting

1649
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 1: on him, and I think he's feeling that. I think

1650
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 1: he's gonna put up some really good numbers this year.

1651
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 1: I think Kyle Shanahan's gonna feel really good about him,

1652
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 1: and they're gonna I think they gonna spread their wings.

1653
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: I think San Francisco is one of those teams that

1654
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 1: is going to be back on the spotlight for the

1655
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 1: first time in a long time this year. So I

1656
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:07,680
Speaker 1: agree with you on that one, all right. Second, one

1657
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: better Hard Knocks Moment HBO Hard Knocks, the preseason program

1658
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 1: that has been on for quite a few years now.

1659
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 1: Better which was the better Hard Knocks moment? This is

1660
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 1: next time I'm on what's for lunch? Rex Ryan saying

1661
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 1: how about a snack? Or Vince wolffork pulling up in

1662
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 1: overalls at training camp. I gotta say, I don't have

1663
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,799
Speaker 1: any recollection that. I'm just looking it up. Vince Wilfork

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01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 1: wearing overalls. Okay, I see it now. Yeah, that was

1665
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 1: a Hard Knocks a couple of years ago. Look, there

1666
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 1: is no better moment for my money than Rex Ryan

1667
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 1: at the team meeting saying at the end of the meeting,

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01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 1: let's go eat a blank, blank snack. I mean, no

1669
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 1: better moment ever in a Hard Knocks. Vince Wilfork running overalls. Yeah,

1670
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: I guess it's kind of a visual image. I guess

1671
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 1: that stuck with people. I understand why it would be.

1672
01:21:56,360 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: But and by the way, Rex was deadly serious about this,

1673
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 1: right He wasn't. He wasn't doing this for Hard Knocks

1674
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 1: or doing this to get a laugh out of his players.

1675
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 1: He was deadly serious about let's go get a blank

1676
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 1: blank snack. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah, he was.

1677
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:16,719
Speaker 1: Players didn't laugh, Nobody laughed. Yeah, it was a serious laughed.

1678
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 1: It was a serious speech. It was not a happy,

1679
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 1: go lucky moment where he goes, oh, it was great,

1680
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 1: let's go have a snack. It wasn't like that meant it.

1681
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: He meant it. Men said let's go do it. And

1682
01:22:26,280 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 1: as if it was just the next thing. It's like

1683
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 1: they were going out on the game field, you know.

1684
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 1: It's like they were gonna go attack the snack. You're right,

1685
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 1: it was. That was quite the moment. And I I

1686
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 1: gotta go with you too. That's a that's always a

1687
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 1: favorite on the menu. All right, last one there was

1688
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 1: a camp. There was a picture this is the dessert

1689
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,679
Speaker 1: for what's for lunch. There was a picture of Adrian

1690
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: Peterson of him on a camel and his birthday party.

1691
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,719
Speaker 1: I guess for his thirtieth birthday, took a camel ride. Okay,

1692
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 1: all right, this is for you. And you always say,

1693
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, you may whatever. I get what I want

1694
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,680
Speaker 1: a pony, right, So I wish you which do you

1695
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:02,640
Speaker 1: want at your birthday? You want to arrive at your

1696
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 1: birthday party on a horse? Or do you want to

1697
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 1: arrive at your birthday party on a camel? Neither? And

1698
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: by the way, I say I want when I say

1699
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 1: I want a pony, I'm saying I usually say in

1700
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 1: a response to somebody who's got some ridiculous request and

1701
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:21,640
Speaker 1: dream or yeah he wants that much want yeah? Um no,

1702
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 1: I arrive at a birthday party in a you know,

1703
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 1: in a nice car. You know it's a little ridiculous, right,

1704
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 1: look at the picture. Come on, can I say this?

1705
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 1: This is a general we're off football here. I think

1706
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 1: as Americans, over my lifetime, which is considerable, now, we

1707
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 1: have elevated birthdays beyond what's realistic. It's a birthday. You

1708
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:45,799
Speaker 1: get one every year. As long as you're still breathing,

1709
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 1: taking breaths, walking around, you get a birthday every year.

1710
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 1: It's it's worth noting. But people now make it and

1711
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: it's it's social media driven by the way. I believe

1712
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 1: people make it into like some sort of holiday. It's

1713
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: your birthday. You have one last year, if you're lucky

1714
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,639
Speaker 1: enough to have one next year. If you're lucky enough

1715
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:03,919
Speaker 1: you stick around for a while and you have dozens

1716
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: of birthdays. I think, wow, that what has happened to you? Nothing.

1717
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 1: I've always believed your hardest died. I come from a

1718
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 1: different generation where you got a birthday. Good, happy birthday. No,

1719
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm not. Let me just tell you some babies when

1720
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 1: little kids. Listen, McCormick Murphy, I will get to be

1721
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:25,639
Speaker 1: his first birthday. You are gonna you'll have twenty presents yet,

1722
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 1: that kid, And when he gets to his thirty second

1723
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 1: if if, if I'm around, not likely, it won't be

1724
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: that big a deal. It won't be Oh happy birthday. Yes, babies,

1725
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 1: you celebrate birthdays. Little kids big deal birthdays. Fine, I'm

1726
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 1: riding adults, you and I. You don't make a big

1727
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 1: deal out of your birthday one when you don't know

1728
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 1: because you're an adult. Adrian Peterson, Oh, I'm gonna ride

1729
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,560
Speaker 1: on a camel from good good great? You know what.

1730
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go do something else. I get it. I

1731
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 1: get it. But if I did, I'd rather do it

1732
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 1: on a horse than a camel. Horses are more predictive.

1733
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 1: You can go faster, can't you. Oh yeah, definitely, but

1734
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 1: not farther. I don't think, not without water? All right?

1735
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 1: That was that was was for lunch. Good one though.

1736
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm glad I got you on the birthday thing that

1737
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 1: he gave you a chance to vent. Yeah, I'm all

1738
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,639
Speaker 1: in favorite little kid birthday parties. Let me see that. Listen,

1739
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 1: we learned our lesson we had. We had five kids, right,

1740
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 1: so how many birthday parties do you think I've been

1741
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: to every month? Every month or two? You got their

1742
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 1: buddies and that's their buddy's birthday party, their little friend's

1743
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 1: birthday parties. So you know you got to drop about right,

1744
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,640
Speaker 1: That's the thing. Kid's birthdays are different because it is

1745
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 1: kind of a you know, you know, it's a chance. Sure,

1746
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:38,719
Speaker 1: we learned our lesson earlier. We had our first birthday

1747
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:42,640
Speaker 1: party was back when I was playing. I was embarrassed

1748
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 1: because we just planned it. You didn't think, yeah, we'll

1749
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 1: invite you know, So I've got fifty people in the

1750
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 1: house for this two year old who is who hasn't

1751
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 1: cared people are because he wants the boxes and the

1752
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: whole house is full of present I'm like, what a week?

1753
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 1: What do you do? Right? It was totally we learned

1754
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 1: our So it was like, you can have we can

1755
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 1: have a friend for every year old you are. So

1756
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 1: if you're two years you can have two friends. If

1757
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:07,640
Speaker 1: you're three years old, you have three friends. You know

1758
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 1: what I mean? So, right, but by the right that

1759
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: that we kind of limited it. That put the lid

1760
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:14,640
Speaker 1: on it. That way, we totally messed it up as

1761
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 1: parents early on, we got we gottauner control. I'm kind

1762
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,680
Speaker 1: of with you though, Yeah, just so there's no misunderstanding.

1763
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 1: Let me repeat. I love little kid's birthday parties, and

1764
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 1: I love something a little differs. Yeah, you're an adult.

1765
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 1: As I said, you had a birthday last year. Here's

1766
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 1: your birthday today. If you're lucky enough to have one

1767
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 1: next year, yeah, here's happy birthday. I draw the line.

1768
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 1: If you're throwing a party for yourself, that's over. That's

1769
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 1: that's father. That's the other side. My father would do that.

1770
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 1: Why don't mean he misrespect here? Oh that's okay. But

1771
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 1: he did it, and as kids were all like, dead,

1772
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 1: you're throwing your birthday party this year? Yeah, he was

1773
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 1: like shameless about it. And I was like, oh yeah, yeah,

1774
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 1: I'm having that party and we're inviting these people. Yeah,

1775
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 1: it's my birthday party. See, I don't know. I didn't

1776
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 1: think it was okay, all right, I'm cool, all right, fine,

1777
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: that's for that. Was was for lunch. That was a

1778
01:26:58,400 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 1: good one. That was a good one. What's for lunch?

1779
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 1: We got more to come. Want to hear from you

1780
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 1: on our topic of the day. Who will be the

1781
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 1: Bills sleeper on the offensive side of the ball during camp.

1782
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 1: Give us a call. We haven't had enough phone call

1783
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 1: action yet. Eight O three fifty toll free one eight

1784
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 1: eight five fifty two five fifty job Pascalia from Channel

1785
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 1: seven's going to join us to two. Come on back

1786
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:28,800
Speaker 1: for that one Bills Live on Buffalo Bill's reading I'll

1787
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 1: come back one Bill's Live. The day before training camp,

1788
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: John Murphy and Steve Tasker, Actually the Bills are therefore

1789
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 1: Camp Today reported this morning, meetings in the afternoon and

1790
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:40,639
Speaker 1: conditioning test. Did you do conditioning tests with Marv when

1791
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 1: you were at camp? It's usually from this far in

1792
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 1: this time, No, it's different. It was it was It

1793
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 1: wasn't a test, so to speak. I think we might

1794
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 1: have called it a test conditioning test. It was more

1795
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 1: of an evaluation. So it wasn't like you have to

1796
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 1: do this in a certain amount of time, you have

1797
01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 1: to lift this much away. It's more like, uh, you know,

1798
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 1: how long can you sprint on this treadmill? And how

1799
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 1: many reps can you do with this? And how many

1800
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, So it was more an evaluation than it

1801
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 1: was like you have to reach a certain level The difference,

1802
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 1: of course, is now they had these players here six

1803
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 1: weeks ago. Many of them have been back in the

1804
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks working out here. Back in your day,

1805
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 1: guys could probably get lots for the entire off season

1806
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:23,600
Speaker 1: for the most part. Right, you had absolutely, absolutely just

1807
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 1: mini camps. You come in for like three days of

1808
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 1: a mini camp in April, right, and that's it. Yeah,

1809
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 1: that's it until July. Now. Yeah, and now with when

1810
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 1: when the money gets bigger, so do the demands and

1811
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 1: so do the requirements and responsibilities commensurate with that. So

1812
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 1: they do get them these guys for a little bit

1813
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 1: more time than they used to. And you know, of course,

1814
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 1: the the NFL is always asking for more time with

1815
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 1: the players in the off season. The coaches are in

1816
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:53,639
Speaker 1: the football end of it. But yeah, I mean it's

1817
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 1: something that's I think it's gonna come up. I think

1818
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 1: it's a big sticking point for the players. They need

1819
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 1: some free time, they want their free time. And one

1820
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 1: more camp question. And this occurred to me when John

1821
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 1: Harris was on with This earlier This Hour talking about

1822
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 1: how the Texans who went to Greenbrier, that magnificent resort

1823
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 1: in West Virginia for several years and then brought everything

1824
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 1: back in the house starting this year, starting today and tomorrow.

1825
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 1: He said, the players kind of asked for it. I

1826
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 1: get that, I understand that, But do you lose We've

1827
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 1: talked a lot about camp over the last few days

1828
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 1: here about the marketing benefit to it, the you know,

1829
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 1: the access for fans. Do teams really bond when they

1830
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:35,680
Speaker 1: go offsite for training camp more than they would they

1831
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 1: stayed on site? I mean, I think you were here,

1832
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:39,600
Speaker 1: well you played obviously and it was different then, but

1833
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 1: also you could see bonding here during during the mini camp,

1834
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 1: right these guys are hanging out after work. A lot

1835
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:46,640
Speaker 1: of that has to do with what happens in the

1836
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 1: off hours. Are they are they sequestered away? I mean,

1837
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:51,680
Speaker 1: do got like in some of these training camps and

1838
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 1: if they're living in Houston or whatever, Deshaun Watson, does

1839
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 1: he live at his house or does he have to

1840
01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 1: stay at the dorm at a hotel or you know,

1841
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,719
Speaker 1: they usually commandeer an entire hotel for a short period

1842
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,000
Speaker 1: of time and that's where everybody stays. They have meeting

1843
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 1: rooms and facilities and all that. And with the Texans

1844
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 1: being at their stadium where they where they all live

1845
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 1: in now, because that's when you really bond is when

1846
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 1: you're in your downtime, when you hang out with these

1847
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 1: guys for the first time, you get a chance to

1848
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 1: spend time with them away from just being at the facility.

1849
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:20,760
Speaker 1: That's when you bond now, just like it is in

1850
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:24,640
Speaker 1: every training camp because you're all away. There's you know,

1851
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:26,640
Speaker 1: there's nobody else to hang out with, right, so you

1852
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 1: hang out with each other. So I think, yeah, I

1853
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 1: think there's you do lose something some of that, And

1854
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 1: it depends on each individual situation, and I think the

1855
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 1: club has to address it. If you're if you want

1856
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:38,160
Speaker 1: them to do that, if you want them to bond,

1857
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 1: you gotta give me a chance to do it. You

1858
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:42,520
Speaker 1: gotta give the atmosphere and the downtime and the atmosphere

1859
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,680
Speaker 1: and the and the sequestered nature of training camp to

1860
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 1: do it. So because in the regular season, the day

1861
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 1: is over, man, those guys spread to the four winds

1862
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 1: and they go home with their wives and families and

1863
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 1: friends and hang out separately. One more question about your

1864
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 1: training camp experience with the Bills, And it was a

1865
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 1: while ago, and don't smack me when I ask this question.

1866
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 1: I mean, no disrespect, but it's gonna sound like, could

1867
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 1: you imagine your training camp experience without the golf. Oh, yeah,

1868
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:13,600
Speaker 1: you played a lot of golf. Yeah, that was no,

1869
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:16,080
Speaker 1: but that wasn't that was the last few years. Yeah, yeah,

1870
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't forever. And there were certain guy played a

1871
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 1: ton of golf. There were certain years twice a day.

1872
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 1: There were certain years when it was I just wasn't

1873
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 1: up for it, you know, and you only did it

1874
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 1: when he felt like it. So it wasn't like an

1875
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 1: everyday thing. But there was a couple of times where

1876
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:31,640
Speaker 1: you'd be out there for stretch, you know, two or

1877
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 1: three to get it, to get there two two days

1878
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 1: in a row or three days in a row maybe,

1879
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 1: but not really every day. But you'd go out there

1880
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 1: regularly and you could always anticipate, you know, you kind

1881
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 1: of get into that groove. You can anticipate camps long. Yeah,

1882
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 1: you could anticipate the rhythm. Okay, I think we'll probably

1883
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 1: be able to play on Wednesday afternoon, you know that

1884
01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,679
Speaker 1: kind of thing, you know, so that would go. But yeah, certainly,

1885
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean because it was fun. It was

1886
01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 1: kind of cool to be able to do. But by

1887
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 1: the same token, we were a different team then than

1888
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:07,680
Speaker 1: most teams. More veteran, yeah, more mature, yeah. And I

1889
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:09,640
Speaker 1: think that. And I'll tell you one reason that did that.

1890
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:11,679
Speaker 1: We had a coach that empowered us to be that. Yeah.

1891
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:13,679
Speaker 1: He said, listen, all you can do whatever you want,

1892
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 1: but when you show up here, you better be here.

1893
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 1: You know, he better show up and you better better bringing.

1894
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 1: And we had, you know, some of the greatest guys

1895
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:24,639
Speaker 1: ever in the history of the game who were working

1896
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: really hard during practice and doing everything they could get better.

1897
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 1: So all of us, you know, we showed up and

1898
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:32,640
Speaker 1: we mimicked those guys. Camp starts tomorrow. I want to

1899
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 1: hear from you. Who do you think it would be

1900
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,759
Speaker 1: the offensive sleeper for this training camp for the Buffalo Bills.

1901
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:39,639
Speaker 1: We'll take phone calls on that eighth three five fifty

1902
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:42,599
Speaker 1: and toll free one eight eight eight five fifty two

1903
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 1: five fifty. You can send in a tweet. We might

1904
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 1: read it on the Tweetcheet Joe Viscalia, Sports director WBWTV

1905
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 1: Channel seven and Buffalo getting set for camp. He's going

1906
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 1: to join us here on the set when we come back.

1907
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:54,720
Speaker 1: Why don't you join us? One Bills Live presented by

1908
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 1: Kalida Health. From One Bill's Drive on Buffalo Bills Reading

1909
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:11,640
Speaker 1: Hills Radio Network Stories. Update from One Bill's Drive, the

1910
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 1: scene shifts to Saint John Fisher tomorrow. Today's report day.

1911
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 1: Tomorrow is the first practice day for the twentieth training

1912
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 1: camp at Saint John Fisher College for the Bills in Pittsburgh.

1913
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:23,920
Speaker 1: Players reported this morning They've got meetings today, a conditioning test,

1914
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 1: the first practice nine forty five tomorrow morning. You can come.

1915
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 1: You don't need a ticket. No ticket required for fans.

1916
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:31,720
Speaker 1: As training camp open tomorrow. Our show will be there

1917
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 1: tomorrow from noon to three. Eighteen NFL teams reporting for

1918
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 1: training camp today, rookies reporting for a couple of others tomorrow.

1919
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:40,439
Speaker 1: With the first practice day for most of these teams,

1920
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers made a big move as their camp

1921
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:45,799
Speaker 1: gets set to open. The Packer's going to release defensive

1922
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 1: lineman Mike Daniels. He was a pro bowler in twenty seventeen.

1923
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 1: The reports are they shopped him around the league found

1924
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 1: no takers. Daniels do just over eight million dollars this

1925
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 1: year and based salary and bonuses, he's thirty years old.

1926
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 1: He's spent his entire seven year NFL career with the

1927
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 1: Packers fourth round pick in twenty twelve, Mike Daniel is

1928
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 1: going to be out there on the free agent market.

1929
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 1: Janakin Gockway is going to withhold his services from the

1930
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:12,560
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars to start training camp. Jags pass rusher not

1931
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 1: going to report the training camp with his teammates, skip

1932
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 1: mandatory mini camp and June. He did have a couple

1933
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:20,679
Speaker 1: of appearances at some OTA's one of the better pass

1934
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 1: rushers in the game. Twenty four years old, he generated

1935
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:26,639
Speaker 1: twenty nine and a half sacks over his first three

1936
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 1: seasons in the NFL and also from the Jaguars. Defensive

1937
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:32,640
Speaker 1: back Jalen Ramsey showed up a training camp and an

1938
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 1: armored truck today. He did show up. He's looking for

1939
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 1: more money. His agent told him the Jaguars are not

1940
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 1: going to give him a contract extension, so to make

1941
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 1: his point, Jalen Ramsey shows up in an armored truck.

1942
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 1: Running Back Melvin Gordon has told the Chargers he's not

1943
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 1: going to report the training camp today when the west

1944
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 1: of the team reports. He scheduled to make more than

1945
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 1: five million dollars this year and Bison baseball Lisons play

1946
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,480
Speaker 1: at Charlotte tonight seven o five. Last night, the Bison's

1947
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 1: matched a modern era team record. They laun seven home

1948
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 1: runs down in Charlotte and eight one win over the

1949
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 1: Charlotte Knights in last night's game fives in tonight, seven

1950
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 1: five in Charlotte. That's the update from One Bill's Drive,

1951
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 1: John Murphy's Steve Tasker special guest of ours, one of

1952
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 1: our better guests. Happy to have Joe Bascotti, a sports

1953
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:17,600
Speaker 1: director WBW TV Channel seven in Buffalo, joining, is how

1954
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 1: many training camps is going to be for you, Joe?

1955
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 1: This double digit year, Murph, This is gratulations tenth training camp,

1956
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:26,439
Speaker 1: my tenth full season, and I know it pales in

1957
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:29,040
Speaker 1: comparison to what you're bringing out. I told you my number,

1958
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 1: which I'm embarrassed to admit. But no, we'll have a

1959
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:34,760
Speaker 1: little cupcake for you tomorrow. Oh that'd be great. Great, Yeah,

1960
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 1: it's I would say, see if you agree with this

1961
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 1: over these ten years, this has to be set up

1962
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 1: as one of the more interesting camps of Bills have had. Right. Yeah,

1963
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 1: there's just so much fluctuation. I mean you look, right

1964
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:49,640
Speaker 1: from the get go, the offense, the only thing that

1965
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:52,839
Speaker 1: is really settled is Josh Allen is the starting quarterback.

1966
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 1: Other than that, it's all up in the air. You

1967
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:56,800
Speaker 1: look at the offensive line, Mitch Morrise is the only

1968
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 1: guarantee to start. I mean, others are solid bats here

1969
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:03,600
Speaker 1: and there, but they're are basically seven guys digging for

1970
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:06,519
Speaker 1: four spots at the momentum. And then when you look

1971
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:09,240
Speaker 1: at the tight end spot Tyler Croft's injury brings up

1972
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:11,600
Speaker 1: another sub question about whether or not he's going to

1973
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 1: be ready for the regular season and if Dawson Knox

1974
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:16,439
Speaker 1: can step it up, or will Jason Krum have to

1975
01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 1: be the guy or will Lee Smith have to be

1976
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 1: the guy in the interim um? And then wide receivers,

1977
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 1: how are how is that all going going to shake down?

1978
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 1: Who's going to get snaps? How often? Um? How big

1979
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:28,479
Speaker 1: of a role is Robert Foster actually going to have.

1980
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 1: I know fans want them to have a huge role,

1981
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:33,439
Speaker 1: but I think fan opinion and team opinion might differ

1982
01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:35,680
Speaker 1: a little bit in that respect. So all these things.

1983
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 1: Running back totally, I totally forgot man out at running

1984
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:41,479
Speaker 1: back or the four top guys gonna make it with,

1985
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:45,919
Speaker 1: you know, behind Gore and and Lashawn, you get Devin Singletary,

1986
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 1: the draft pick. J Yelden can play. He can play,

1987
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 1: but he doesn't play special teams, which I think might

1988
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 1: be a problem for him if they keep McCoy. They're

1989
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:57,720
Speaker 1: definitely keeping Singletary, we all know that. But if they

1990
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:00,080
Speaker 1: keep McCoy and Gore, which I think they're going to,

1991
01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:03,800
Speaker 1: then t J. Yelden has to play special teams or

1992
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 1: you know, he could be on the roster bubble and

1993
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:09,280
Speaker 1: someone like Snorris Perry sitting there who's a special teams

1994
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:12,040
Speaker 1: guy through and through. Um that that that could be

1995
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 1: because we have seen them the past two years under

1996
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:17,519
Speaker 1: this regime go okay, we are setting a certain amount

1997
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:20,720
Speaker 1: for special teams players and trying to go go from there.

1998
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 1: So I would say Yelden is on in the bubble situation, Well,

1999
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:28,759
Speaker 1: Yelden could be at least, if not more, an insurance

2000
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:30,760
Speaker 1: policy against one of the old guys going down. That's

2001
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 1: also true. That's that's that's a fair point that they

2002
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 1: have to consider. So maybe they might um go with

2003
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 1: five running backs, though I have trouble trying to figure

2004
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 1: out how they find a spot somewhere else, because they

2005
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 1: like something's got to give here. It could be Devin's

2006
01:37:45,479 --> 01:37:47,960
Speaker 1: It could be Devin's Singletary playing special teams too. I mean,

2007
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 1: and they could true, but they love him and and

2008
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 1: that was just echoed. I just got done. Um. I

2009
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:56,559
Speaker 1: got through three of the four episodes of the Bills embedded,

2010
01:37:56,600 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 1: which were great, by the way, and um, there were

2011
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 1: just little throwaway comments here or there from players from

2012
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:06,720
Speaker 1: coaches about how much they liked Devin Singletary and how

2013
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:08,880
Speaker 1: much they respected what he brought to the table already,

2014
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:11,920
Speaker 1: and it made me think, Okay, this guy could factor

2015
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 1: in a little bit more than maybe we were initially

2016
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 1: anticipating this season. And I wouldn't rule out special teams

2017
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 1: by any means. But he's also a smaller guy. I

2018
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 1: would worry about durability with that as well. You're an

2019
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:26,559
Speaker 1: analytics guy, let's talk about Singletary just for a second.

2020
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:29,560
Speaker 1: I heard an interview on our flagship here at WGR

2021
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:32,759
Speaker 1: with a pro football focused guy who talked about forced

2022
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:36,799
Speaker 1: miss tackles by Devin Singletary, which is an analytics measured

2023
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:38,760
Speaker 1: I was not familiar with. He said he had more

2024
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 1: in college football than anybody last year and is likely

2025
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 1: to lead the NFL if he gets the playing time

2026
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 1: in that category, he just forces people to miss tackles.

2027
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:49,040
Speaker 1: That's how elusive he is. Yeah, he is. He's got

2028
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 1: some wiggle to him. Is the term that often gets

2029
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:54,840
Speaker 1: thrown around with running backs, and but it is absolutely

2030
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:59,000
Speaker 1: correct with him. I mean not the fastest guy, obviously,

2031
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:01,800
Speaker 1: not the biggest guy. But the thing I keep coming

2032
01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:03,840
Speaker 1: back to with him, and which is why I think

2033
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:07,040
Speaker 1: he's got a bright future here in Buffalo, potentially even

2034
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 1: as early as this season, is because Brandon Bean, after

2035
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 1: they drafted him, used one specific word to describe how

2036
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:17,920
Speaker 1: he felt about him as a prospect. He said, he

2037
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 1: has rare vision and rare instincts. These decision makers don't

2038
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 1: just chuck the word rare out there all that often.

2039
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:29,719
Speaker 1: I mean they are very quick because they are brought

2040
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 1: up through scouting that way to not say something that

2041
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:34,880
Speaker 1: you do not mean. And that's something that can be

2042
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:37,840
Speaker 1: thrown back on your record for scouting in the past.

2043
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:41,519
Speaker 1: So him using the word rare to describe two very

2044
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:45,759
Speaker 1: integral parts to Devin Singletary's game has me thinking, Okay,

2045
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:51,360
Speaker 1: I said this on my podcast today, if there's if

2046
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:56,880
Speaker 1: future Joe comes back to Joe today and goes and goes. Hey,

2047
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:59,080
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary ended up leading the Bills and rushing in

2048
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:02,000
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. I wouldn't be surprised, No, I hear you. Well,

2049
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. Then we have this Twitter

2050
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:06,560
Speaker 1: poll out that people are chiming in on who is

2051
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 1: your offensive training camp sleeper. We've got four choices, Duke

2052
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:13,679
Speaker 1: Williams and wide receiver, Dawson Knox the tight end, David

2053
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:17,520
Speaker 1: Sills the fifth also a wide receiver, and Devin Singletary.

2054
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 1: And we we had this discussion. Murph is right too.

2055
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:23,519
Speaker 1: I mean I disputed it when he said it, But

2056
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 1: Devin Singletary is hardly a sleeper. But he is a

2057
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:28,960
Speaker 1: little bit of an unknown because he is a you know,

2058
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:32,920
Speaker 1: with a third round draft pick. Yeah, yeah, it's one

2059
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:37,080
Speaker 1: of our God who is if you're gonna pick, you

2060
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 1: can go off the board. But I want to who's

2061
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:40,920
Speaker 1: your guy on this board? And then if you have

2062
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:43,920
Speaker 1: one off the board, you can tell us that sleeper. Um, well,

2063
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:46,680
Speaker 1: I think I agree with Murf that Singletary should not

2064
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:48,600
Speaker 1: be a sleeper because this day and age, when you

2065
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 1: take a running back in the third round, you take

2066
01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:53,640
Speaker 1: notice because that guy is probably in the plans to

2067
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 1: get offensive snaps at least a little bit um in

2068
01:40:57,320 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 1: even his first season and certainly in his second and third. UM.

2069
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:04,080
Speaker 1: So I guess of that group, I would probably go

2070
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:07,320
Speaker 1: with Dawson Knox because nothing is settled at at tight

2071
01:41:07,439 --> 01:41:10,400
Speaker 1: end um. I think he has the easiest path to

2072
01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:13,519
Speaker 1: playing time of any of those guys listed. I mean,

2073
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:16,599
Speaker 1: I know the Bills like David Sills a great deal

2074
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:20,120
Speaker 1: and that is another thing that was echoed on the

2075
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:25,519
Speaker 1: embedded series. But what's his path to playing time? It's injuries? Uh,

2076
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:27,760
Speaker 1: is he going to crack the roster? That's still not

2077
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:30,840
Speaker 1: a guarantee at this point. So Dawson Knox for sure

2078
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,240
Speaker 1: on the roster. Tyler Croft might not be able to

2079
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:34,880
Speaker 1: start the season, we don't know yet. Well, we'll have

2080
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:37,640
Speaker 1: to hear from from Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean about that.

2081
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:41,320
Speaker 1: But with Knox, you saw a rapport with Josh Allen

2082
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 1: in the spring, and of course the pads weren't on,

2083
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:45,040
Speaker 1: and you can't get too high or too low on

2084
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:47,400
Speaker 1: a guy of offspring workouts. But Dawson Knox did really

2085
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:49,240
Speaker 1: well for him, so anticipating chrome is good to go

2086
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 1: when they start wasn't it a hamstring with you? Yeah,

2087
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 1: he should be. I mean it's been a yeah right right,

2088
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:57,800
Speaker 1: So I would anticipate, and he needs he needs a

2089
01:41:57,840 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 1: good summer like he like he had last year to

2090
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 1: make sure that he's on there again. It all gets

2091
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:04,800
Speaker 1: complicated by Croft's injury because I don't know that they

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01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:08,680
Speaker 1: would necessarily keep five tight ends, and then they have

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Speaker 1: to kind of figure out who they want between Kroom

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01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 1: and Sweeney in that for instance. But if Croft, let's

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01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:16,720
Speaker 1: say he has to start the year on pup, then

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01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:21,200
Speaker 1: that complicates it less. Yeah, and gets Croom on the roster. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So really what you're saying to get to be the

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Speaker 1: number one, it all depends on well the health of

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01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:29,160
Speaker 1: Tyler Croft too, but also when you think about it,

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Speaker 1: Dawson Knox, even at this point we probably have to

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01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:35,960
Speaker 1: be considered a better blocking tight end than Chrome. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would agree, even though Croom is putting a lot

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01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 1: of work in and trying to do it. But if

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01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:40,640
Speaker 1: you want a guy that's going to be in there

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01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:42,960
Speaker 1: that doesn't tip off what you're gonna do, or you

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01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:45,560
Speaker 1: can run behind or throw the football too, you know,

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Speaker 1: Knox might have an edge and depending on how well

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Speaker 1: he shows up in the passing game, right, because Kroom

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01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:51,679
Speaker 1: does show up in the passing game. He's an athlete.

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01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:54,719
Speaker 1: He does, he does. And I want to see Dawson

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Speaker 1: Knox once they really get into the nuances of the playbook.

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Speaker 1: Does he swim or does he sink? Right? And we'll

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01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 1: we'll find out pretty quickly if Brian Dable's in his

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01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:07,640
Speaker 1: ear or Rob Boris is in his ear about with

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01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:11,880
Speaker 1: something he did incorrectly. But I think even if Tyler

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01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:13,920
Speaker 1: Croft is ready to go, I still think there's a

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01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:17,519
Speaker 1: role for Dawson Knox right away. This is now a

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01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:21,600
Speaker 1: situation where the Bills have tight ends that can that

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01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:25,719
Speaker 1: can play and a few of them, and Brian Dable

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01:43:26,439 --> 01:43:29,599
Speaker 1: wants to run a tight end friendly scheme and having

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01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:31,800
Speaker 1: the ability to have a couple of different pass catching

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01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:35,599
Speaker 1: options out there. He's a creative guy, he's a creative

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01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 1: play caller. I could absolutely see him having a sizeable role,

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01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:42,160
Speaker 1: not a like if Tyler Croft comes back and he's

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01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:43,720
Speaker 1: the locked in starter. It's not like he's going to

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Speaker 1: be getting seventy five percent, but getting somewhere between thirty

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Speaker 1: thirty five forty percent of snaps. I think that's that's

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01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:52,439
Speaker 1: a perfect role in which would lead me to believe

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01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:54,880
Speaker 1: he's a sleeper, and if he ends up defying those

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01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:57,599
Speaker 1: expectations ahead of him, he could push for more playing time.

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Speaker 1: Scotty with a sports director WKBWTV Channel seven here in

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01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:04,439
Speaker 1: Buffalo getting set for training camp tomorrow. Not a Twitter

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01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:06,439
Speaker 1: pool topic for us, but we discussed it during the

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Speaker 1: break defensive training camp. Sleeper. Let me start because I

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01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,599
Speaker 1: got a guy who I think he's a sleeper. He's

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01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 1: been in the league for a while, but he was

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Speaker 1: on the show with us yesterday. Kurt Coleman is an

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01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:20,360
Speaker 1: impressive guy, nine years NFL experience. I can't tell you

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01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 1: that his plays dropped off. I don't know. I haven't

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01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:24,400
Speaker 1: studied the film, but I know this. He fits the

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01:44:24,479 --> 01:44:26,400
Speaker 1: mold of what they're putting together here. He is smart,

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01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:29,360
Speaker 1: he is familiar with McDermott in this defense. He is

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01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 1: ready to do anything. See he gave us an impression

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Speaker 1: whatever role he's asked to do. I don't think he's

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01:44:34,439 --> 01:44:36,840
Speaker 1: on anybody's radar, but I see him. He's not gonna

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01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:39,040
Speaker 1: unsee Poyer or Micah, but I think he could be

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01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:42,160
Speaker 1: a factor on the defense. Yeah, I think for him

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01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:47,160
Speaker 1: being in that third safety role, it all depends if

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01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:50,679
Speaker 1: he can moonlight as the big nickel. Yes. And asked

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01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:52,760
Speaker 1: him that question yesterday and he said bringing up yeah,

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01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:55,839
Speaker 1: and that's something I believe he did for Sean McDermott

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01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:58,200
Speaker 1: in the past in Carolina, so that that could definitely

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01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:01,680
Speaker 1: enter the equation here. But the other part of this

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01:45:01,960 --> 01:45:06,920
Speaker 1: is now he becomes the well he has the been there,

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01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 1: done that vocal type of guy, and Micah Hyde and

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01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:12,919
Speaker 1: Jordan Player are both like this, but having that permeate

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01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:15,000
Speaker 1: with Kurt Coleman in there as well, a guy who's

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01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:16,439
Speaker 1: been in the league a long time being able to

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01:45:16,479 --> 01:45:18,600
Speaker 1: do what he's done and has had success doing it

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01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:21,519
Speaker 1: in this defense, that's going to help. Another thing this

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01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:24,640
Speaker 1: helps is Jaqwan Johnson, who I think they're high on,

2162
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:28,160
Speaker 1: and that way, it keeps Johnson away from having to

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01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:32,360
Speaker 1: enter a pretty substantial role if one of Hide or

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Speaker 1: Player go down with an injury. Coleman is the immediate

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Speaker 1: backup to them, and so that way and Johnson can

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01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:42,400
Speaker 1: also learn from these three veterans to perhaps one day

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01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:44,639
Speaker 1: become a factor for them. I know you had another

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Speaker 1: safety in your list of yes potential sleepers right defense,

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01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:52,080
Speaker 1: But I don't know that I call him a safety anymore, right, yes,

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Speaker 1: sir Rand Neil, because the Bills did a sneaky thing

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01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:57,599
Speaker 1: with those with those roster moves yesterday when they released

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01:45:57,640 --> 01:45:59,960
Speaker 1: Damari Scott, they didn't sign another receiver. They signed an

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01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:03,280
Speaker 1: the safety, which brought them to seven, which is like, okay, well,

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01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:05,240
Speaker 1: how you're going to rotate with with three different teams.

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01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:07,360
Speaker 1: But during the spring, Sir Rand Neil did not line

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01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 1: up at safety of the open practices that I saw,

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01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:14,680
Speaker 1: he was exclusively exclusively nickel, and I wonder if that

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01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 1: continues as we go along. But he's a dynamic option there,

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01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:20,759
Speaker 1: and that's why I would equate him into the defensive

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01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:25,360
Speaker 1: sleeper mode because if he really comes into his role

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01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:28,000
Speaker 1: as a as a defensive sleep or as a big

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01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:30,719
Speaker 1: nickel and blitzing off the edge, which he did quite

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01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:33,360
Speaker 1: a bit during the spring and to a great deal

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01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:37,240
Speaker 1: of success. He's got the athleticism he's played cornerback, linebacker

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01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:40,880
Speaker 1: in safety from from his days in college. This is

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01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:43,120
Speaker 1: this is someone to keep an eye on when they

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01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 1: go up against teams that have bigger slot receivers. This

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01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:48,439
Speaker 1: is a guy that can compete with them. As long

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01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:51,400
Speaker 1: as he is, you know, just in the same vein

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01:46:51,439 --> 01:46:53,160
Speaker 1: as we were talking about with Dawson Knox. As long

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01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:56,799
Speaker 1: as he is swimming with the playbook, the defensive playbook,

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01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:59,599
Speaker 1: as complexit as it as it is, then he could

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01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:02,400
Speaker 1: potend actually have a role here. And if he's not ready,

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01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:04,800
Speaker 1: he'll still be on the roster, I think, and then

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01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:07,960
Speaker 1: maybe Kurt Coleman takes over that role. But I think

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01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:09,840
Speaker 1: they have high hopes for him this year. Yeah, Sir

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01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:12,000
Speaker 1: rand Neil six foot two of six, he's big. Yeah,

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01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:14,680
Speaker 1: he's huge for especially going down on the slot, so

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01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:16,479
Speaker 1: you can get in there and I and he can

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01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:19,000
Speaker 1: cover somebody up, particularly if they're starting to split running

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01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:20,639
Speaker 1: backs out in the slot. Orf they send a tight

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01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:22,599
Speaker 1: end out there, you don't might have a problem putting

2203
01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 1: him out there, Julian Edelman or some of the smaller guys.

2204
01:47:26,439 --> 01:47:28,320
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a different story. I don't know, but but

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01:47:28,479 --> 01:47:30,599
Speaker 1: you're right if if he didn't line up as safety

2206
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:33,240
Speaker 1: at on Listen, this is a tough team to make

2207
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:34,960
Speaker 1: it at that spot. Yeah, I mean, you got two

2208
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:37,200
Speaker 1: guys that are really good and playing back there, and

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01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:40,120
Speaker 1: now you've got veterans that are backing them up. Yeah,

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01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:43,760
Speaker 1: which is why the how they end up slicing up

2211
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:47,920
Speaker 1: the secondary. Whether or not they keep both Kevin Johnson

2212
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:51,599
Speaker 1: and E J. Gaines Lafayette Pits, it seems like would

2213
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:53,479
Speaker 1: be pretty safe just because they love him on special

2214
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:56,200
Speaker 1: teams and he's really the one that offers the most

2215
01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 1: to them in that vein. And then from there, I mean,

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01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:03,560
Speaker 1: who's going to start between Levi Wallace, Kevin Johnson, E J.

2217
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:07,360
Speaker 1: Gaines And then you get rounded out by Tarren Johnson

2218
01:48:07,479 --> 01:48:11,920
Speaker 1: being there, so that you would think they're probably going

2219
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:13,680
Speaker 1: to keep six unless they cut one of those two

2220
01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:16,040
Speaker 1: veteran guys. And then you have Siran Neal on top

2221
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:17,760
Speaker 1: of it, and then the four safety is on top

2222
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:19,400
Speaker 1: of that, so they could go into the season with

2223
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:23,600
Speaker 1: eleven defensive backs. And but considering all the problems that

2224
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 1: they had last year, I mean, how many times did

2225
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:29,200
Speaker 1: we see Raphael Bush playing the nickel full time? Ye?

2226
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:33,200
Speaker 1: It's just they dressed I think three cornerbacks a couple

2227
01:48:33,240 --> 01:48:36,240
Speaker 1: of games. It's just, yeah, they just didn't have the depth.

2228
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:38,439
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace. I appreciate what he did last year, but

2229
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:40,560
Speaker 1: I don't think he's guaranteed to be a starter. No,

2230
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:42,360
Speaker 1: I don't think so. He'll have to earn it for sure.

2231
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:44,719
Speaker 1: Coming through the mini camp. I thought he's being challenged

2232
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:48,439
Speaker 1: hard by Kevin Johnson. He is and and he I

2233
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:51,840
Speaker 1: thought he played fairly well in the mini campum for

2234
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:55,240
Speaker 1: Johnson well, both well both, But Levi, I'm I'm talking

2235
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:59,880
Speaker 1: about watching him. You could see that same sort of

2236
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 1: smooth drop that and always being in the right spot.

2237
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:05,920
Speaker 1: Not the flashiest of guys, of course, but he's someone

2238
01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:11,680
Speaker 1: that he knows the opportunity ahead. Coaching staff loves him,

2239
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:15,479
Speaker 1: absolutely loves him. Sean McDermott, Leslie Frasier both rave about him.

2240
01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:20,640
Speaker 1: And if as long as he keeps on it, I

2241
01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:23,560
Speaker 1: think he's he's got a solid shot to win that

2242
01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:26,280
Speaker 1: starting job. But it's totally up and there. It's a

2243
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:28,760
Speaker 1: fifty fifty coin toss at this point because he's got

2244
01:49:28,840 --> 01:49:31,759
Speaker 1: Kevin Johnson who's pushing. I think EJ. Gaines is probably

2245
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:34,439
Speaker 1: more of a depth role at this point of his career.

2246
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:37,600
Speaker 1: So Johnson and Levi Wallon be battling every day you

2247
01:49:37,640 --> 01:49:39,800
Speaker 1: think about it. You've got Tradavious White and then you've

2248
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:43,759
Speaker 1: got Levi Wallace. You've got Kevin Johnson, E. J. Gaines,

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01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:48,200
Speaker 1: tarn Johnson, Well, how many you're gonna keep, you know, right,

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01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:50,000
Speaker 1: And that's I mean, then you're getting down into the

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01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:52,120
Speaker 1: guys like Laffiette Pitts. I mean he may be out there,

2252
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:54,200
Speaker 1: but on special team, I mean, how many spots can

2253
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 1: they keep at that one? Right, you're gonna keep like

2254
01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:00,920
Speaker 1: what four corners? Yeah, probably they actually have to make

2255
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:02,960
Speaker 1: decisions this year, and not that they didn't have to

2256
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:05,720
Speaker 1: make decisions last year, but they are harder because they

2257
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:07,840
Speaker 1: have more depth across the board. The common refrain that

2258
01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:11,000
Speaker 1: I've been given to Murph and the people listening probably

2259
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:13,960
Speaker 1: get tired of me saying it, it's really more difficult

2260
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:16,639
Speaker 1: roster to make because they're gonna be some quality guys

2261
01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:18,559
Speaker 1: on it for the Yeah, maybe for the first time

2262
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:21,040
Speaker 1: in a while. A lot of positions are going to

2263
01:50:21,120 --> 01:50:24,000
Speaker 1: be a little too full of really good players. And

2264
01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:26,479
Speaker 1: that's that's gonna be interesting to see how they shake

2265
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:29,519
Speaker 1: out at the bottom of those positions. The secondary in particular,

2266
01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:35,040
Speaker 1: they have invested in players and and they've addressed their depth,

2267
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:37,040
Speaker 1: and because of it, they're going to have to make

2268
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:39,599
Speaker 1: some difficult decisions about one of the guys that they

2269
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:41,600
Speaker 1: have brought in as opposed to just cutting someone that

2270
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:45,880
Speaker 1: was an incumbent. Yeah, exactly. So I wonder about EJ. Gaines,

2271
01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:48,200
Speaker 1: like he's the If you had to tell me, all right,

2272
01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:51,200
Speaker 1: cut one of those six cornerbacks right now, I would.

2273
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:54,200
Speaker 1: I would probably say EJ. Gaines is the one. But

2274
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:58,280
Speaker 1: still he's got starting experience. He can run in in

2275
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:01,559
Speaker 1: a pinch if anything happens. Davious White He's been practicing

2276
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 1: on the left side of the defense all spring, so

2277
01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:08,640
Speaker 1: he would be the immediate backup there. If I had

2278
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:11,439
Speaker 1: to guess right now, I would think they keep six corners,

2279
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:13,720
Speaker 1: keep Sir and Neil, and then keep four safeties on

2280
01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:16,320
Speaker 1: top of ITJ is like twenty seven, he's still like right, No,

2281
01:51:16,720 --> 01:51:18,800
Speaker 1: it's not like he's old. Yeah, Kevin Johnson was a

2282
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:21,679
Speaker 1: former first round pick and he's twenty six, right exactly.

2283
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:24,200
Speaker 1: Jobs guys with us for a couple of more minutes.

2284
01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:27,040
Speaker 1: We asked you about today's Twitter poll question, let me

2285
01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:29,680
Speaker 1: ask you yesterday's. And I know how much time you

2286
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:31,360
Speaker 1: spend thinking about this stuff, so this could be a

2287
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:34,280
Speaker 1: really good answer. What's your bold prediction for training camp?

2288
01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:36,680
Speaker 1: What do you see could happen that maybe no one

2289
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:39,320
Speaker 1: else would believe if you told him that, Wow you

2290
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:41,960
Speaker 1: got anything, um, because we had some good ones yesterday,

2291
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:44,639
Speaker 1: right See. I was I was impressed by the responses

2292
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:47,759
Speaker 1: we got yesterday from listeners and people on Twitter about

2293
01:51:48,160 --> 01:51:50,800
Speaker 1: almost crazy stuff, and you think maybe they're right, maybe

2294
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:53,559
Speaker 1: that could happen. My bold prediction is Cody Ford gets

2295
01:51:53,560 --> 01:51:56,479
Speaker 1: moved inside the guard Really that would that would be

2296
01:51:56,560 --> 01:52:00,280
Speaker 1: my bold prediction. I don't necessarily know it's going to happen.

2297
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:02,479
Speaker 1: But if if you had to put me to it, like,

2298
01:52:02,600 --> 01:52:05,880
Speaker 1: all right, predict something that has the highest degree of

2299
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:09,439
Speaker 1: happening that maybe you don't necessarily believe in, I'll go

2300
01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:11,599
Speaker 1: with Cody Ford. Somebody called in and said they their

2301
01:52:11,680 --> 01:52:14,600
Speaker 1: Bowl prediction was Dion Dawkins gets released, and I thought, no,

2302
01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:16,840
Speaker 1: I don't see that. Yeah, I don't see that at all. Um.

2303
01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:22,400
Speaker 1: I think he'll wind up starting somewhere. Um. But Cody

2304
01:52:22,479 --> 01:52:26,920
Speaker 1: Ford could be an incredible guard um. And it's not

2305
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:31,200
Speaker 1: like they're just they have answers on the inside. They

2306
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:34,800
Speaker 1: have Tie and Secki, who they said they have said

2307
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:39,320
Speaker 1: multiple times they believe can start at rights. They sure did.

2308
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:43,000
Speaker 1: And so if you have Cody Ford moving inside, potential

2309
01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:46,000
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl player there, Tie and Secki at right tackle

2310
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:48,720
Speaker 1: and Deon Dawkins trying to figure it out with him

2311
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:51,280
Speaker 1: at left tackle. Yeah, I'll go with Cody Ford would

2312
01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:53,519
Speaker 1: play left guard, and I would say I would say

2313
01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 1: right guard, and we're Spencer Long in your sleft guard

2314
01:52:57,439 --> 01:53:01,320
Speaker 1: left guard, so it would be Dawkins, Long, Morse, Ford

2315
01:53:01,479 --> 01:53:04,439
Speaker 1: and Secky. I'd go with that group. Right, that's a

2316
01:53:04,479 --> 01:53:06,400
Speaker 1: good group. Yeah, yeah, you got if you got some

2317
01:53:06,439 --> 01:53:08,800
Speaker 1: pretty good guys waiting to get into on the field

2318
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:12,040
Speaker 1: as well. Right, Yeah, it's yeah, you're right, it is

2319
01:53:12,120 --> 01:53:13,840
Speaker 1: a good it is a good group. Well, it's either

2320
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:16,840
Speaker 1: Cody Ford or Dion Dawkins flipped inside, or you're choosing

2321
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:20,960
Speaker 1: between Quentin Spain or Wyatt Teller or John Feliciano. And

2322
01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:23,519
Speaker 1: those three guys can certainly play. They've shown that they

2323
01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:26,960
Speaker 1: can be able to. But Ford has potential you asked

2324
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:30,360
Speaker 1: me for I think he'll probably end up at right tackle,

2325
01:53:30,479 --> 01:53:33,120
Speaker 1: but he's gonna start somewhere. Yeah, yeah, he's a starter.

2326
01:53:33,320 --> 01:53:36,200
Speaker 1: Are there any of the other guys you know, you

2327
01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:42,280
Speaker 1: know Wesley or Ladrian Waddle or McDermott or any of

2328
01:53:42,280 --> 01:53:45,080
Speaker 1: those guys. I mean that are those tackles or is

2329
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:46,840
Speaker 1: there any of those tackles they can play tackle guard,

2330
01:53:47,640 --> 01:53:50,400
Speaker 1: because you can't you know, not center, I guess, but

2331
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:52,760
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, yeah, because that may be

2332
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:55,200
Speaker 1: the route that some of those guys have to go to.

2333
01:53:55,439 --> 01:53:57,000
Speaker 1: Being a swing guy and a depth guy. You've got

2334
01:53:57,080 --> 01:53:59,160
Speaker 1: to play two positions. Yeah, Wesley's a swing guy. He

2335
01:53:59,160 --> 01:54:02,599
Speaker 1: played some gardens right, Um. But other than that, all

2336
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:04,400
Speaker 1: I saw was Wattle at tackle. I mean we can

2337
01:54:04,479 --> 01:54:07,400
Speaker 1: only go on what six practices, so Waddle was only

2338
01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:11,280
Speaker 1: at tackle. Wattle is directly influenced by whether or not

2339
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:13,679
Speaker 1: one of Dawkins or four moves inside because I don't

2340
01:54:13,680 --> 01:54:15,760
Speaker 1: know that they keep four tackles because of it. They

2341
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:18,519
Speaker 1: just don't have roster room, right, They really don't, um.

2342
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:22,200
Speaker 1: And then what happens who's their primary backup center? Is

2343
01:54:22,240 --> 01:54:24,560
Speaker 1: it going to be Spencer Long in a pinch? Is

2344
01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:26,880
Speaker 1: it going to be Feliciano? I mean, what do they

2345
01:54:26,920 --> 01:54:29,040
Speaker 1: do with They're not gonna hold on a boat on it.

2346
01:54:29,160 --> 01:54:31,160
Speaker 1: You can only play center, right exactly. And they did

2347
01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:32,960
Speaker 1: get a little chance. I didn't get a chance to

2348
01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:34,280
Speaker 1: play a little bit of guard in the in the

2349
01:54:34,360 --> 01:54:37,360
Speaker 1: Ota spring I don't look he was hurt. He was

2350
01:54:37,400 --> 01:54:39,880
Speaker 1: hurt quite a bit. It was um, but Feliciano did

2351
01:54:39,880 --> 01:54:41,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of both. Ike Bucker did a little

2352
01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:45,160
Speaker 1: bit of both. Um. Yeah, and and they've got the

2353
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:47,760
Speaker 1: undrafted guy Garrett McGinn who played both guard and center

2354
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:50,680
Speaker 1: as well. But those guys probably won't factor in. Joe.

2355
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:52,640
Speaker 1: As you said, your tenth training camp coming up. As

2356
01:54:52,640 --> 01:54:55,120
Speaker 1: we get set to send you on your way, what's

2357
01:54:55,160 --> 01:54:57,160
Speaker 1: your favorite part of our training camp on the field

2358
01:54:57,200 --> 01:54:58,880
Speaker 1: or even off the field. Is there a restaurant in

2359
01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:02,120
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh that you like, the ice cream place in downtown Pittsburgh.

2360
01:55:02,120 --> 01:55:03,920
Speaker 1: What's your favorite in front of very Well, I'm a

2361
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:06,520
Speaker 1: total nerd, so I'm totally gonna say something about football.

2362
01:55:07,400 --> 01:55:11,240
Speaker 1: It's the one on one drills. Every year, I park

2363
01:55:11,800 --> 01:55:13,920
Speaker 1: right in front of the one on one drills, all

2364
01:55:13,960 --> 01:55:17,400
Speaker 1: one d line every single day. And because I just

2365
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:20,560
Speaker 1: like tracking, I like I like seeing how guys progress

2366
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:22,800
Speaker 1: from one day to the next. And this year is

2367
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:24,480
Speaker 1: going to be awesome because you get to see at

2368
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:27,520
Speaker 1: Oliver doing one on ones and and he's a fascinating

2369
01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:30,400
Speaker 1: player to watch, even going up against double teams and

2370
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:32,560
Speaker 1: then seeing all the different offensive linemen and how they

2371
01:55:32,680 --> 01:55:35,360
Speaker 1: react to certain players and certain moves. I like learning

2372
01:55:35,400 --> 01:55:38,960
Speaker 1: those things about those guys because I think offensive line

2373
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:44,200
Speaker 1: breakdowns and analysis are often I guess pushed aside just

2374
01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:46,840
Speaker 1: because of the flash ear positions it's got. It's gotten better,

2375
01:55:47,600 --> 01:55:50,360
Speaker 1: certainly in recent years, with how much All twenty two

2376
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:53,000
Speaker 1: is available to people now. But I mean that said,

2377
01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:56,560
Speaker 1: there's nothing like going out and seeing one on one

2378
01:55:56,760 --> 01:55:59,480
Speaker 1: mano Amano who wins to the point of attack. And

2379
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:01,760
Speaker 1: of that you got a new on line coach too,

2380
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:03,400
Speaker 1: to keep an eye in. Oh, he's fired. He's a

2381
01:56:03,400 --> 01:56:05,680
Speaker 1: fighter guy. He's a lot more fire than one Casio was. Yeah,

2382
01:56:05,800 --> 01:56:08,800
Speaker 1: so it'll it'll be fun to watch to see exactly

2383
01:56:09,400 --> 01:56:11,480
Speaker 1: what he's saying, how the message is going across. I

2384
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:13,960
Speaker 1: also thought about this. This coaching staff as a whole

2385
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:16,560
Speaker 1: has gotten a lot fierier over the past couple of years. Yeah,

2386
01:56:16,600 --> 01:56:19,000
Speaker 1: I mean you look at Chad. Chad Hall is a

2387
01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:23,280
Speaker 1: fiery guy. Yes, Dable is a fiery guy. Um so

2388
01:56:23,800 --> 01:56:25,440
Speaker 1: all of these, all of these it's kind of like

2389
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:27,880
Speaker 1: they're taking on the personality to Sean McDermott, which is

2390
01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:29,640
Speaker 1: interesting to see. I got one more for you before

2391
01:56:29,640 --> 01:56:31,760
Speaker 1: you let you go. I'm in and you want to

2392
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:35,200
Speaker 1: save your best predictions obviously for your platforms. But how

2393
01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:36,440
Speaker 1: good are the bill is going to be? What do

2394
01:56:36,520 --> 01:56:38,760
Speaker 1: you think? Are they better than five hundred? Are they

2395
01:56:38,760 --> 01:56:42,720
Speaker 1: a playoff contender? I think they're probably around seven and nine,

2396
01:56:42,840 --> 01:56:45,120
Speaker 1: eight and eight? Yeah, I do too, I see nine

2397
01:56:45,240 --> 01:56:53,600
Speaker 1: or tens. I see I like their defense fourteen point five. Um,

2398
01:56:54,840 --> 01:56:58,520
Speaker 1: it's it's obviously about the offense the defense. I think

2399
01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:01,680
Speaker 1: the defense can take an a nice step forward this

2400
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:05,080
Speaker 1: year with all the players that they have. But on offense,

2401
01:57:06,200 --> 01:57:07,720
Speaker 1: that's how we let off. Like, what are you most

2402
01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:09,960
Speaker 1: interested with training camp? Well, the offense is all up

2403
01:57:09,960 --> 01:57:12,280
Speaker 1: in the air. What positions are decided, center and quarterback,

2404
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:14,920
Speaker 1: that's it and then the rest of it off The

2405
01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:17,320
Speaker 1: offensive line is different. Is it gonna be good? We

2406
01:57:17,400 --> 01:57:21,480
Speaker 1: don't know the wide receivers. They brought in John Brown

2407
01:57:21,600 --> 01:57:25,880
Speaker 1: and Cole Beasley, and that's those are two bona fide players,

2408
01:57:26,280 --> 01:57:29,080
Speaker 1: But how is that going to come along with chemistry?

2409
01:57:29,120 --> 01:57:32,000
Speaker 1: How how is the snap breakdown with those guys? Will

2410
01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:34,000
Speaker 1: tight end be better this year? Are they going to

2411
01:57:34,040 --> 01:57:36,280
Speaker 1: get more out of the running game, which is also

2412
01:57:36,360 --> 01:57:38,920
Speaker 1: directly influenced by the offensive line whether or not they're better.

2413
01:57:39,280 --> 01:57:41,960
Speaker 1: So there are a lot of different variables with them,

2414
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:45,280
Speaker 1: which is why, and it all depends on what type

2415
01:57:45,320 --> 01:57:47,120
Speaker 1: of seven and nine or eight in eight they do.

2416
01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:52,600
Speaker 1: Like if if it's a defensive led sort of thing

2417
01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:56,960
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen is just kind of going teeter up

2418
01:57:57,040 --> 01:58:00,520
Speaker 1: and down, up and down sort of thing, then people

2419
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:02,400
Speaker 1: are going to be like, oh, well, that wasn't great,

2420
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:04,840
Speaker 1: but it wasn't a step forward, right if but if

2421
01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:06,840
Speaker 1: it was a seven to nine or eight and eight

2422
01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:10,080
Speaker 1: where Josh Allen showed some real poise and promise and

2423
01:58:10,760 --> 01:58:13,600
Speaker 1: like late losses or something like that, then people will

2424
01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:16,440
Speaker 1: be feeling good about that. So really it all depends

2425
01:58:16,440 --> 01:58:18,520
Speaker 1: on seventeen. And so that's why I kind of land

2426
01:58:18,520 --> 01:58:21,000
Speaker 1: on some right, how long how likely is it that

2427
01:58:22,200 --> 01:58:26,240
Speaker 1: this offense, second year quarterback under the same system but

2428
01:58:26,360 --> 01:58:28,280
Speaker 1: with so many new faces on it, got ten of

2429
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:31,680
Speaker 1: eleven starters coming back on defense? Right? Yeah? On offense

2430
01:58:31,760 --> 01:58:36,280
Speaker 1: you got like what three right, maybe right Josh Lashawn yeah,

2431
01:58:36,360 --> 01:58:41,280
Speaker 1: and Dawkins Zay Jones probably. Okay, So you got seven

2432
01:58:41,320 --> 01:58:44,560
Speaker 1: new starters on offense, which is which is to me

2433
01:58:46,040 --> 01:58:48,440
Speaker 1: the choreograph side of the Bowl part where you gotta

2434
01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:50,440
Speaker 1: be you gotta know thing, you gotta do things just

2435
01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:52,400
Speaker 1: the right way. On defense, everybody can do the wrong

2436
01:58:52,440 --> 01:58:54,920
Speaker 1: thing and one guy makes a play, you look great. Offense,

2437
01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:57,120
Speaker 1: everybody's got to do it right almost all the time.

2438
01:58:58,640 --> 01:59:00,360
Speaker 1: How likely is it that they can get all that together.

2439
01:59:01,080 --> 01:59:03,280
Speaker 1: It's a big challenge for Brian Table, that's for sure.

2440
01:59:03,400 --> 01:59:07,480
Speaker 1: I mean, and and he knows it, and he's welcoming

2441
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:09,120
Speaker 1: of it. I think he is, by the way, I

2442
01:59:09,200 --> 01:59:11,520
Speaker 1: was just thinking that he is. I think he likes

2443
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:13,920
Speaker 1: this challenge. Oh gosh, yeah, I think you're gonna make

2444
01:59:13,960 --> 01:59:16,000
Speaker 1: his bones this year. I think you spent an hour,

2445
01:59:16,120 --> 01:59:18,080
Speaker 1: a couple hours with Brian Dabele, you'll know he is

2446
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:21,480
Speaker 1: an ultimate competitor. Years years like this, seasons like this

2447
01:59:21,880 --> 01:59:25,360
Speaker 1: are exactly, yeah, why coaches get into coaching and why

2448
01:59:25,400 --> 01:59:27,000
Speaker 1: they want to do it at this level. That's this

2449
01:59:27,200 --> 01:59:29,560
Speaker 1: is These are the kind of years the coaches are like, man,

2450
01:59:29,800 --> 01:59:32,120
Speaker 1: you give me those guys all show you. Yeah, it's

2451
01:59:32,240 --> 01:59:35,120
Speaker 1: it's exactly the scenario most coaches crazy. And now he

2452
01:59:35,240 --> 01:59:38,240
Speaker 1: has tight ends to play with. He's got a stable

2453
01:59:38,280 --> 01:59:40,360
Speaker 1: of running backs rather than just having to depend on

2454
01:59:40,840 --> 01:59:46,240
Speaker 1: one and a half to two. He I think we're

2455
01:59:46,320 --> 01:59:49,800
Speaker 1: going to end up seeing Brian dablem want to take

2456
01:59:49,840 --> 01:59:51,640
Speaker 1: a big step forward. But again, it all comes back

2457
01:59:51,640 --> 01:59:54,600
Speaker 1: to Josh. Is he going to continue to show those

2458
01:59:54,640 --> 01:59:57,440
Speaker 1: signs of promise and potential that he did at the

2459
01:59:57,680 --> 01:59:59,640
Speaker 1: end of the season, the final month of the season,

2460
02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:02,160
Speaker 1: to where he looked like a completely different guy than

2461
02:00:02,240 --> 02:00:04,720
Speaker 1: he did when he first entered the starting lineup. I'm

2462
02:00:04,760 --> 02:00:06,640
Speaker 1: not putting it past him. I think he is capable

2463
02:00:06,720 --> 02:00:09,520
Speaker 1: of it. Um. He showed he's a quick learner in

2464
02:00:09,560 --> 02:00:12,840
Speaker 1: a lot of different areas that I wasn't. I was

2465
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:16,600
Speaker 1: actually taken aback by how he progressed in certain areas,

2466
02:00:16,720 --> 02:00:19,480
Speaker 1: whether it be staying poison the pocket down the stretch

2467
02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:22,760
Speaker 1: of the season and you know, not opening up his

2468
02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:25,400
Speaker 1: hip when he's throwing throwing a certain side as much.

2469
02:00:25,640 --> 02:00:27,320
Speaker 1: I mean, these are all things that they worked on,

2470
02:00:27,480 --> 02:00:30,880
Speaker 1: and he's taking it and actually working on it in

2471
02:00:30,920 --> 02:00:33,400
Speaker 1: the off season to improve these things. So you know,

2472
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:36,480
Speaker 1: I think I think fans should be should be optimistic

2473
02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:38,400
Speaker 1: that he can take those next steps. But then again

2474
02:00:38,440 --> 02:00:40,240
Speaker 1: it's on him. Joe, thanks for this, will see you

2475
02:00:40,280 --> 02:00:42,280
Speaker 1: down there tomorrow. Thank you. I can't wait. Travel safe,

2476
02:00:42,400 --> 02:00:45,400
Speaker 1: at Joe Scotty, sports director WKBW TV Channel seven here

2477
02:00:45,400 --> 02:00:47,760
Speaker 1: in Buffalo. Steve and I back with more one Bill's Side,

2478
02:00:47,800 --> 02:01:02,400
Speaker 1: presented by Out of Health on Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back,

2479
02:01:02,440 --> 02:01:05,800
Speaker 1: John Murphy, Seve Tasker, thanks to Joe Scounia from Channel seven.

2480
02:01:06,160 --> 02:01:10,120
Speaker 1: Looking forward to his tenth training camp. First time I

2481
02:01:10,200 --> 02:01:11,800
Speaker 1: really met Joe to talk to him, must have about

2482
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:15,600
Speaker 1: ten years ago. Combine and Indy. He has always dialed in.

2483
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:18,280
Speaker 1: He was dialed into that combine ten years ago. You know,

2484
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:20,240
Speaker 1: we go to the combine, it's like, oh, here we

2485
02:01:20,280 --> 02:01:22,960
Speaker 1: go again, sit in this room and we're plugged in,

2486
02:01:23,440 --> 02:01:25,600
Speaker 1: but Joe is dialed in and he was today about

2487
02:01:25,640 --> 02:01:28,800
Speaker 1: the roster. Then that's really what training camp is about,

2488
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:30,880
Speaker 1: right Yeah, And this this year, more than any other

2489
02:01:31,040 --> 02:01:34,080
Speaker 1: You've got you get down to the bottom of those

2490
02:01:34,440 --> 02:01:36,920
Speaker 1: those position battles and it's like, oh, wait a minute,

2491
02:01:37,160 --> 02:01:40,040
Speaker 1: what about this guy? Right? You know, then that's when

2492
02:01:40,080 --> 02:01:42,840
Speaker 1: it gets difficult. And yeah, I think it's gonna be

2493
02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:44,760
Speaker 1: a really intriguing training camp this year. I think it's

2494
02:01:44,760 --> 02:01:46,040
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun to wash. Gonna be,

2495
02:01:46,200 --> 02:01:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, certainly an optimistic camp, and like always, you

2496
02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:53,120
Speaker 1: knock on wood. I hope none of them. Nobody, you

2497
02:01:53,240 --> 02:01:55,840
Speaker 1: know that's near and dear to us gets hurt. Sure,

2498
02:01:56,080 --> 02:01:58,720
Speaker 1: and you know, so that's that always goes into it.

2499
02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:02,120
Speaker 1: But it's yeah, there's a lot of anticipation for this

2500
02:02:02,320 --> 02:02:04,720
Speaker 1: camp in Buffalo this year. We've been we've been looking

2501
02:02:04,760 --> 02:02:06,320
Speaker 1: forward to it for a long time and it's finally here.

2502
02:02:06,360 --> 02:02:08,640
Speaker 1: We'll be over there tomorrow. Bill's camp starts tomorrow, will

2503
02:02:08,640 --> 02:02:10,560
Speaker 1: be there. Practice starts tomorrow, will be there noon to

2504
02:02:10,640 --> 02:02:12,200
Speaker 1: three with the show. Don't know what we have yet,

2505
02:02:12,240 --> 02:02:14,200
Speaker 1: but it'll be a good one. A little bit of

2506
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Speaker 1: NFL news here today. Taylor Lwan, starting left tackle for

2507
02:02:18,880 --> 02:02:22,440
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans, posted a video to Twitter today to

2508
02:02:22,520 --> 02:02:26,160
Speaker 1: announce that he's been told by the league he was important.

2509
02:02:26,160 --> 02:02:28,640
Speaker 1: A few weeks ago, he failed a test for I'm

2510
02:02:28,680 --> 02:02:30,920
Speaker 1: going to pronounce it try anyway asterine, which is a

2511
02:02:31,040 --> 02:02:35,520
Speaker 1: band under the league's performance enhancing drug policy. Lewan acknowledges

2512
02:02:35,600 --> 02:02:39,800
Speaker 1: that it's a banned substance. Say, he acknowledges that he's

2513
02:02:40,280 --> 02:02:42,960
Speaker 1: responsible for anything he takes, you know, as far as

2514
02:02:43,120 --> 02:02:46,240
Speaker 1: a substance. And here's what he said. Taylor Lwan making

2515
02:02:46,240 --> 02:02:49,440
Speaker 1: the announcement today that he's out for four games, violating

2516
02:02:49,520 --> 02:02:53,720
Speaker 1: substance abuse policy. Here he is, I've went into a

2517
02:02:53,760 --> 02:02:57,960
Speaker 1: polygraph test about austring and knowingly taking a night pass

2518
02:02:58,080 --> 02:03:00,800
Speaker 1: that test. I've never taken anything that would cheat the game.

2519
02:03:01,040 --> 02:03:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry to the Tennessee Titans. It's hard, bizarrely

2520
02:03:17,200 --> 02:03:20,800
Speaker 1: the Titans of the fans that I won't be there

2521
02:03:20,840 --> 02:03:28,200
Speaker 1: for four games. I've never cheated myself, and I never

2522
02:03:28,280 --> 02:03:33,200
Speaker 1: wanted you guys to feel cheated. And I'm sorry, but

2523
02:03:34,720 --> 02:03:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be better for this. I'm gonna come back.

2524
02:03:37,280 --> 02:03:41,600
Speaker 1: I got my supplements tested by a third party, and

2525
02:03:42,880 --> 02:03:46,480
Speaker 1: I'll release that polygraph. There's also been letters on the UFC,

2526
02:03:46,920 --> 02:03:49,240
Speaker 1: Clemson and other NFL players that have failed for Austrian

2527
02:03:49,280 --> 02:03:52,520
Speaker 1: as will I make public and I'll do whatever I

2528
02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:54,800
Speaker 1: can to prove that I've never done anything wrong in

2529
02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:59,080
Speaker 1: regards the supplements or taking anything knowingly. Jaylor Lwan. He's

2530
02:03:59,120 --> 02:04:03,120
Speaker 1: been suspended for games, he says, and clearly he's remorseful

2531
02:04:03,120 --> 02:04:05,200
Speaker 1: about it. He was in tears. It doesn't matter, right,

2532
02:04:06,520 --> 02:04:08,560
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter either. You're out four games. That's it.

2533
02:04:09,000 --> 02:04:11,000
Speaker 1: The polygraph doesn't mean. It just means that you know

2534
02:04:11,120 --> 02:04:13,200
Speaker 1: from some people that'll be like, you know what, and

2535
02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:15,640
Speaker 1: I see how it happens because the guys do a

2536
02:04:15,680 --> 02:04:17,640
Speaker 1: lot of them do take supplements. I mean, it's like

2537
02:04:17,720 --> 02:04:19,600
Speaker 1: regular normal people trying to get in shape. They all

2538
02:04:19,640 --> 02:04:23,040
Speaker 1: take supplements, protein drinks and powders and shakes and all

2539
02:04:23,080 --> 02:04:26,440
Speaker 1: the stuff. A lot of people do it in regular life,

2540
02:04:26,560 --> 02:04:31,400
Speaker 1: although most of them don't have rules about which ones

2541
02:04:31,480 --> 02:04:34,200
Speaker 1: they can and cannot take. And here's the problem. Most

2542
02:04:34,240 --> 02:04:38,080
Speaker 1: of these some of these supplements aren't pure. And what

2543
02:04:38,200 --> 02:04:42,760
Speaker 1: it boils down to is sometimes when the companies mix batches,

2544
02:04:42,760 --> 02:04:45,160
Speaker 1: there's trace elements of other batches that are in there.

2545
02:04:45,360 --> 02:04:49,320
Speaker 1: You know, they don't it's not that well regulated, and

2546
02:04:49,600 --> 02:04:52,160
Speaker 1: so you may get trace amounts of certain things in

2547
02:04:52,280 --> 02:04:54,520
Speaker 1: some of these supplements. And these guys, let's face it,

2548
02:04:55,000 --> 02:04:57,080
Speaker 1: for millions and millions of dollars, these guys are gonna

2549
02:04:57,080 --> 02:04:59,520
Speaker 1: walk as close to the line as they can to

2550
02:04:59,560 --> 02:05:01,000
Speaker 1: get away with it. They're gonna try, and you know,

2551
02:05:01,000 --> 02:05:02,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna try and do all the supplements they can.

2552
02:05:02,880 --> 02:05:05,280
Speaker 1: Because these guys have to carry so much weight but

2553
02:05:05,600 --> 02:05:08,960
Speaker 1: burn so many calories to carry the weight and to

2554
02:05:09,440 --> 02:05:11,680
Speaker 1: stay in shape. It's hard to carry the weight, so

2555
02:05:11,760 --> 02:05:15,920
Speaker 1: the supplements help them. And obviously these supplements get contaminated,

2556
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:19,040
Speaker 1: or they come from secondary markets, or they come from

2557
02:05:19,280 --> 02:05:23,320
Speaker 1: companies that um that don't have quality control like they should.

2558
02:05:23,360 --> 02:05:25,800
Speaker 1: And and most of these guys, I've heard different guys

2559
02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:30,120
Speaker 1: say it throughout the years. You know that this company's stuff,

2560
02:05:30,680 --> 02:05:33,920
Speaker 1: you can't trust it, you know, or you know, a

2561
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:35,320
Speaker 1: bunch of guys will try it and they say, hey,

2562
02:05:35,360 --> 02:05:36,640
Speaker 1: this is working for me, and all of a sudden

2563
02:05:36,680 --> 02:05:40,240
Speaker 1: they find out this stuff's been you know, it's laced

2564
02:05:40,280 --> 02:05:44,160
Speaker 1: with something that's illegal, and the pay the drugs and

2565
02:05:44,240 --> 02:05:49,200
Speaker 1: peeds that are illegal. It's it's like a ten page list.

2566
02:05:49,480 --> 02:05:51,040
Speaker 1: I mean it goes on and on and on and

2567
02:05:51,160 --> 02:05:53,680
Speaker 1: on and on. So it's you know, if it's hard

2568
02:05:53,720 --> 02:05:57,800
Speaker 1: to stay on top of that stuff. I get a

2569
02:05:57,880 --> 02:05:59,720
Speaker 1: kick out of this. I'm not a Jalen Ramsey fan,

2570
02:06:00,040 --> 02:06:03,000
Speaker 1: but Jalen Ramsey wins the day in the NFL with

2571
02:06:03,120 --> 02:06:05,320
Speaker 1: his arrival at training camp. You'll you'll catch it if

2572
02:06:05,480 --> 02:06:07,080
Speaker 1: if you're listening on the radio, you can catch it.

2573
02:06:07,080 --> 02:06:10,520
Speaker 1: It'll be all over ESPN all day an NFL network,

2574
02:06:10,600 --> 02:06:13,160
Speaker 1: and if you're watching on our MSG fee you can

2575
02:06:13,240 --> 02:06:16,600
Speaker 1: see it. Jalen Ramsey arrived at training camp in Jacksonville

2576
02:06:17,040 --> 02:06:19,680
Speaker 1: in the back of an armored bank truck with an

2577
02:06:19,800 --> 02:06:23,080
Speaker 1: MC announcing his arrival. In the truck were bags of

2578
02:06:23,240 --> 02:06:25,960
Speaker 1: what was purported to be money. Look, he wants a

2579
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:29,920
Speaker 1: new contract. He's not happy with his contractual situation. And

2580
02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:33,320
Speaker 1: his MC made an announcement. You know how the media

2581
02:06:33,400 --> 02:06:36,360
Speaker 1: waits around when players arrive, made an announcement to the

2582
02:06:36,400 --> 02:06:39,640
Speaker 1: media by a megaphone. And then Jalen Ramsey busts open

2583
02:06:39,680 --> 02:06:41,920
Speaker 1: the door, jumps off the back of the truck and

2584
02:06:42,240 --> 02:06:46,160
Speaker 1: walks into the into the Jacksonville Jaguars training camp. That

2585
02:06:46,680 --> 02:06:49,080
Speaker 1: that's an arrival right there. He's got bad you know,

2586
02:06:49,160 --> 02:06:51,800
Speaker 1: it's obviously he's not real cash, but he's got bags

2587
02:06:52,240 --> 02:06:54,600
Speaker 1: dollar signs on him. He gets out with his luggage,

2588
02:06:54,640 --> 02:06:56,880
Speaker 1: hops down onto the pavement out of the back of

2589
02:06:56,960 --> 02:07:00,240
Speaker 1: an armored car. Best ever, That best ever runner may

2590
02:07:00,320 --> 02:07:02,960
Speaker 1: be that that is definitely top five I've ever seen

2591
02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:05,720
Speaker 1: of guys getting to training camp arriving in a brink struck,

2592
02:07:05,840 --> 02:07:08,720
Speaker 1: you know, in an armored car with a guy announcing it.

2593
02:07:08,840 --> 02:07:10,520
Speaker 1: So the guy got out with a bullhorn and so

2594
02:07:10,760 --> 02:07:12,880
Speaker 1: that the media would see it. And they all came

2595
02:07:12,960 --> 02:07:15,640
Speaker 1: over right, so then that he could get caught on camera,

2596
02:07:15,720 --> 02:07:18,520
Speaker 1: so he'd make his point publicly. That's great. They were

2597
02:07:18,560 --> 02:07:21,320
Speaker 1: talking today about training camp. Who's your offensive sleeper? We're

2598
02:07:21,360 --> 02:07:23,400
Speaker 1: taking a few phone calls on this. Frank and Depew

2599
02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:26,560
Speaker 1: is on the line. Hill, Frank, are you doing guys good?

2600
02:07:26,600 --> 02:07:30,600
Speaker 1: Good listening to job? Yeah. I think was revealing was

2601
02:07:30,680 --> 02:07:33,200
Speaker 1: when he said what's important is how the Bills finished

2602
02:07:33,240 --> 02:07:35,760
Speaker 1: this year, and that I thought right away with the Bills,

2603
02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:38,840
Speaker 1: with the Ronnie Harmon game and right before they became good,

2604
02:07:39,080 --> 02:07:42,200
Speaker 1: Steve would be on that team. Oh yeah, So, I

2605
02:07:42,280 --> 02:07:44,720
Speaker 1: mean he just told sense it that you know that

2606
02:07:45,120 --> 02:07:47,480
Speaker 1: next year was gonna be a playoff year. It's it's

2607
02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:49,400
Speaker 1: a really an interesting point. Frank, and I want to

2608
02:07:49,400 --> 02:07:51,480
Speaker 1: set Steve up to answer it this way. You said

2609
02:07:51,560 --> 02:07:54,560
Speaker 1: something I guess off the air the other day about

2610
02:07:54,800 --> 02:07:57,640
Speaker 1: this team reminds you of a Bill's era team of

2611
02:07:57,720 --> 02:08:01,360
Speaker 1: that night eighty eight we came off year and eighty seven.

2612
02:08:01,440 --> 02:08:03,200
Speaker 1: It was a kind of a herky jerky year. We

2613
02:08:03,280 --> 02:08:05,400
Speaker 1: played pretty good guys. Sometime we finally found out we

2614
02:08:05,440 --> 02:08:07,040
Speaker 1: got we got some pretty good guys here in nineteen

2615
02:08:07,080 --> 02:08:08,600
Speaker 1: eighty eight, we came out and snapped off a twelve

2616
02:08:08,640 --> 02:08:10,720
Speaker 1: and fourth season and got beat If you remember in

2617
02:08:10,760 --> 02:08:15,240
Speaker 1: the champ AFC Championship game in Cincinnati. Um, you know,

2618
02:08:15,280 --> 02:08:17,880
Speaker 1: we can go on. We should have gone to the

2619
02:08:17,920 --> 02:08:20,640
Speaker 1: Super Bowl if Chip Lowmiller would have made a single

2620
02:08:20,760 --> 02:08:23,040
Speaker 1: field goal at the end of the game against Cincinnati

2621
02:08:23,080 --> 02:08:26,560
Speaker 1: and Washington the Chip Lowmiller. Now we two weeks before

2622
02:08:26,680 --> 02:08:29,200
Speaker 1: Donks went off the upright and instead of winning the game,

2623
02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:31,240
Speaker 1: Washington loses the game and we have to go to

2624
02:08:31,320 --> 02:08:36,200
Speaker 1: Cincinnati to play the AFC Championship instead of Cincinnati coming above. Yeah,

2625
02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:39,240
Speaker 1: we were watching on one of the little TV's coming off.

2626
02:08:39,360 --> 02:08:42,720
Speaker 1: We were getting off the plane in Indianapolis with the

2627
02:08:43,680 --> 02:08:46,160
Speaker 1: little the TV was literally one and a half by

2628
02:08:46,200 --> 02:08:50,320
Speaker 1: one and with a watchman with an area like a

2629
02:08:50,360 --> 02:08:53,440
Speaker 1: little long radio antent on. That's how long ago was.

2630
02:08:53,520 --> 02:08:55,560
Speaker 1: We were watching it and you know we couldn't see it.

2631
02:08:55,680 --> 02:08:57,480
Speaker 1: One guy. It was only one guy that could do it.

2632
02:08:57,600 --> 02:08:59,400
Speaker 1: Was like punter John Kid had and he was looking

2633
02:08:59,400 --> 02:09:01,760
Speaker 1: at it. We were all waiting and he was narrating it.

2634
02:09:02,040 --> 02:09:03,520
Speaker 1: You know, I remember this. I was on that plane.

2635
02:09:03,560 --> 02:09:06,080
Speaker 1: I remember that he goes, he goes Low Miller's gonna

2636
02:09:06,320 --> 02:09:08,720
Speaker 1: gotta field goal thirty one yard or something whatever to

2637
02:09:09,040 --> 02:09:11,320
Speaker 1: win it. And he's looking at if he makes bid.

2638
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:13,040
Speaker 1: If he makes it, we got home field wrapped up.

2639
02:09:14,280 --> 02:09:18,520
Speaker 1: He goes in and he goes, he missed it, jointed

2640
02:09:18,520 --> 02:09:20,960
Speaker 1: it off the upright, like just like that. We're like, what,

2641
02:09:21,280 --> 02:09:23,600
Speaker 1: he goes he missed it. They went and yeah, they

2642
02:09:24,080 --> 02:09:27,480
Speaker 1: laugh they lost Frank, But does they answer your question?

2643
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:29,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Steve just said it the other day, the

2644
02:09:29,120 --> 02:09:31,160
Speaker 1: eighty eight Bills this year reminds you of the eighty

2645
02:09:31,160 --> 02:09:33,480
Speaker 1: eight Bills, guy, Yeah, it does. I mean they've got

2646
02:09:34,200 --> 02:09:36,600
Speaker 1: some guys they didn't know about. They played okay at

2647
02:09:36,640 --> 02:09:39,240
Speaker 1: times the year before, they showed some flashes, and then

2648
02:09:39,320 --> 02:09:43,000
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty eight, I mean it's just, you know,

2649
02:09:43,120 --> 02:09:46,200
Speaker 1: just kind of mushroom some all these these guys, you know,

2650
02:09:46,360 --> 02:09:48,640
Speaker 1: just kind of spread their wings. Jim, did you know

2651
02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:50,640
Speaker 1: that was the year we drafted Thurman, So he was

2652
02:09:50,760 --> 02:09:53,000
Speaker 1: kind of a catalyst that came in. You know, Bruce

2653
02:09:53,160 --> 02:09:56,560
Speaker 1: was full blown the best defensive end in the league

2654
02:09:56,600 --> 02:09:59,760
Speaker 1: at third year in for him win some guys, and

2655
02:09:59,800 --> 02:10:03,080
Speaker 1: then and midway through eighty seven we picked up Cornelius

2656
02:10:03,120 --> 02:10:06,040
Speaker 1: Bennett and then we draft thermin after I mean, good grief.

2657
02:10:06,280 --> 02:10:08,040
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, we're like, let's go, you know,

2658
02:10:08,160 --> 02:10:10,240
Speaker 1: and that turned into a twelve and fourth season and

2659
02:10:10,280 --> 02:10:12,320
Speaker 1: the team that ultimately went to four Super Bowls. Frank,

2660
02:10:12,360 --> 02:10:14,160
Speaker 1: thanks for calling. We're going to talk more about these

2661
02:10:14,200 --> 02:10:16,360
Speaker 1: issues when we get the camp. Bills players have already

2662
02:10:16,440 --> 02:10:19,960
Speaker 1: arrived at camp and most of them reporting today. We'll

2663
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:22,720
Speaker 1: get an idea tomorrow who's in, who's out, who's practicing.

2664
02:10:22,800 --> 02:10:25,800
Speaker 1: But they had a ten thirty I think ten thirty

2665
02:10:25,840 --> 02:10:28,680
Speaker 1: am report time this morning. Players got there before that

2666
02:10:28,760 --> 02:10:31,320
Speaker 1: with their luggage, packing their way into Kyo Hall on

2667
02:10:31,400 --> 02:10:34,120
Speaker 1: the campus of Saint John Fisher. They have meetings today,

2668
02:10:34,240 --> 02:10:36,960
Speaker 1: they have a conditioning test today, and they've got more

2669
02:10:37,000 --> 02:10:39,320
Speaker 1: meetings tonight and they're on the field for practice tomorrow

2670
02:10:39,680 --> 02:10:42,360
Speaker 1: ninety five am. You can be there. It's free, it's open,

2671
02:10:42,400 --> 02:10:44,440
Speaker 1: you don't need a ticket. Bills are at camp. We're

2672
02:10:44,480 --> 02:10:46,960
Speaker 1: there to follow tomorrow with our show back with morn

2673
02:10:46,960 --> 02:10:49,320
Speaker 1: to Moment One Bill's Live, presented by KLADA Health from

2674
02:10:49,360 --> 02:11:02,640
Speaker 1: One Bill's Drive. This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Okay, so

2675
02:11:02,760 --> 02:11:05,080
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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, they probably won some awards. We had

2680
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Speaker 1: Ross Tucker on the show, former Bills offensive line in

2681
02:11:19,240 --> 02:11:22,160
Speaker 1: six years in the NFL. He talked about the overhaul

2682
02:11:22,240 --> 02:11:24,360
Speaker 1: the Bills have done on their offensive line this season.

2683
02:11:26,360 --> 02:11:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm a believer in throwing numbers at the position. I'm

2684
02:11:29,160 --> 02:11:31,800
Speaker 1: a believer in depth. You know, you're also talking about

2685
02:11:31,840 --> 02:11:36,160
Speaker 1: a guy that you know multiple years in Buffalo. I

2686
02:11:36,240 --> 02:11:38,640
Speaker 1: didn't start the opener, but the one you are sort

2687
02:11:38,680 --> 02:11:41,360
Speaker 1: of five games, they are sort of thirteen games. I mean,

2688
02:11:41,400 --> 02:11:44,640
Speaker 1: the reality is you're six and seven guys are gonna play,

2689
02:11:44,760 --> 02:11:47,840
Speaker 1: and they're gonna play a lot. So now not only

2690
02:11:47,960 --> 02:11:50,480
Speaker 1: will they be able to get a very competence starting five,

2691
02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:53,080
Speaker 1: but they're six and seven are gonna be good. I mean,

2692
02:11:53,240 --> 02:11:58,040
Speaker 1: they got very real competition for not only the starting spots,

2693
02:11:58,400 --> 02:12:00,600
Speaker 1: but for the top backup. Do you mean they're gonna

2694
02:12:00,680 --> 02:12:03,520
Speaker 1: end up cutting a guy or two that gets picked

2695
02:12:03,560 --> 02:12:06,760
Speaker 1: up on waivers elsewhere as final cut. Good point by

2696
02:12:06,840 --> 02:12:09,640
Speaker 1: Ross Tucker, who when he joined US Today John Harrison,

2697
02:12:09,760 --> 02:12:12,560
Speaker 1: he's a sideline reporter on the Houston Texans Radio network

2698
02:12:12,640 --> 02:12:16,080
Speaker 1: and a big contributor analyst for the Houston Texans dot Com.

2699
02:12:16,360 --> 02:12:19,760
Speaker 1: Talk to him about Jadeveon Clowney has holdout, possible trade

2700
02:12:19,800 --> 02:12:21,880
Speaker 1: and what kind of money Clowney might be looking for

2701
02:12:22,120 --> 02:12:26,960
Speaker 1: in his contract dispute with the Texans. We've heard from

2702
02:12:27,080 --> 02:12:29,920
Speaker 1: multiple people that he's looking for money on Farway Khalil

2703
02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:33,760
Speaker 1: mack and airned up two guys in his twenty fourteen

2704
02:12:33,880 --> 02:12:39,000
Speaker 1: draft pot that he feels like and his representation feels

2705
02:12:39,040 --> 02:12:43,040
Speaker 1: like he's in that ballpark. And I don't know what

2706
02:12:43,120 --> 02:12:45,840
Speaker 1: this Texans offered. I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure

2707
02:12:46,000 --> 02:12:49,560
Speaker 1: that's what inside is looking for. And look, I don't

2708
02:12:49,600 --> 02:12:52,240
Speaker 1: blame him me. J is one of the most disruptive

2709
02:12:52,680 --> 02:12:55,520
Speaker 1: people you're gonna find on the defensive front in the NFL.

2710
02:12:56,200 --> 02:12:59,160
Speaker 1: But he's not a pass rusher. He's not a tremendous

2711
02:12:59,200 --> 02:13:04,400
Speaker 1: pass rusher. I think that's probably where the impact live. There.

2712
02:13:04,440 --> 02:13:06,480
Speaker 1: You go talking about your Navy and Clowney, Steve, what

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Speaker 1: if I told you that mostly sunny skies, high eighty

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Speaker 1: three light winds is the forecast for Pittsburgh, New York tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask if it'd be politically correct. We wear

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Speaker 1: shorts tomorrow where whatever you want, We have a desk

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Speaker 1: you can go. Do we have a skirt around the

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Speaker 1: desk though, because you know, my legs look like pick

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Speaker 1: at fence slats. You do whatever you want, sport. No,

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Speaker 1: we have a desk right with Yeah, I'll find that out.

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Speaker 1: Is that really It's gonna be a great weather day, great,

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Speaker 1: be awesome, beany McDermott talked to the media nine fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Steve and I are up on Facebook live about ninety

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Speaker 1: five and then of course we'reund the ear of twelve

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Speaker 1: noon tomorrow. Make sure you tune in first day at

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Speaker 1: training camp tomorrow. Thanks to our production assistant George Blast,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Coltonick Thomas Donald Or, Kelly Rude, j j Urito,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Cartis, James Roebel, our producer Jay Harris, We're good.

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Speaker 1: We're there tomorrow Bill's Training Camp. Join this twelve noon

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Speaker 1: for the show one Bill's Live, presented by Collat of

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Speaker 1: Health on Buffalo Bill's radios.