1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the Bob Left Sets podcast. Very 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: special guest today Nancy Wilson, one of the founding members 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: of Heart and Edition. The guitarist also a singer. You 4 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: saw her dancing in the MTV era. Good to see 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: you here, Nancy. It's good to be here, Bob. I 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: really appreciate being here with you. Okay, So you grew 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: up in the state of Washington, right, So what does 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: your father do for a living. He was, Um, he 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: was a retired major from the Marine Corps. And we've 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: traveled around really a lot as kids, all over the place, 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: in Taiwan, different places in the States. Um, And so 12 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: you know, I think that's it was earlier in my life. 13 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,959 Speaker 1: I was already on on a tour per se. Well, 14 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: it's funny that so many rockers are like that. It's like, uh, 15 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: you know, the guys from the police, their father was 16 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: in the CIA, the people who traveled. So you were 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: living in the State of Watching. Your father was still 18 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 1: in the military. They had been stationed there at one point. 19 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: They went back to retire and live there afterwards. So 20 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: when you were growing up, was he still working? He was? 21 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: He was away a lot. Um in various actions that 22 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: he fought in Korea, you know, Guam and a lot 23 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: of the South Pacific stuff. So my mom was the 24 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 1: father and the mother, you know for the three girls 25 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: of us and um she she had a war face 26 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: when she needed to have been quite a woman. So 27 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: you're the youngest of three. I am the youngest of three, 28 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: and so how much older the other two? Um as 29 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 1: the middle she's four years older and Lynn is eight 30 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: years older. Now we don't get much focus on lynd 31 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: where's Lynn today? She's still in Seattle area, UM where 32 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: I used to live on a farm, a piece of 33 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: a farm that I used to have there, and you know, 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: gardening and and doing the actually archiving a lot of 35 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: heart stuff that was in storage there when I left. 36 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: And so she's got a big job because it's archeological 37 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: layers of decades of stuff. Well did you save stuff? 38 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: I saved a lot of stuff. You know. It's very 39 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: interesting because I'm a hoarder. You've always come and they 40 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: say you want to pry. It's like, well, you know, 41 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: i've ever become famous, this will be like, oh, I 42 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: have I hoard weird stuff though, like little like little 43 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: scraps of things. Like little name tags, you know, from 44 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: an event like at the Elton John oscar party or 45 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: something like the name tag, or you know um or 46 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: rose pedals from a wedding that was meaningful or things 47 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: like that too. Well, if you're obviously a legendary star, 48 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: do you still get a thrill when you meet your heroes? 49 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: I do? So who have you met, Let's say recently 50 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: we said you can't believe it. Well, being in the 51 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: same room with Paul McCartney a few times was extremely 52 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: massively huge for me. You know, I just I just 53 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: started gushing. YouTube. The guys in YouTube, there's such beasts. Okay, 54 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: so you're there. Do they immediately know who you are? Yeah? 55 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: Well usually we're in situations where they would know anyway, Okay, 56 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: you know shows any insecurity, it's like, well I know 57 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: who they are, they may not know who I am. 58 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: Tom Petty was one of those for me. Yeah, so 59 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: so sad to see that that. I still can't believe 60 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: he's dead. I mean I always saw him a couple 61 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: of nights before at the Hollywood. So anyway, you're in Washington, 62 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: are they playing music in the home? Oh? Yeah, we 63 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: um we always had music. There was always a good 64 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: stereo system, you know, one of those big boxes that 65 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: had we had the consoles and then we had the 66 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: kind of wall mounted and we had real to reel, 67 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: really real to real growing up, yeah, growing up a stereo, 68 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: real to real two track, and we would make you know, 69 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: calm any music and do like half speed and along 70 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: with do you know what the inspiration for the purchase 71 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: of that was. My parents would buy record albums LPs, 72 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: long playing record albums at the time, and they would 73 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: tape them in their entirety to keep the quality, the 74 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: cund quality of the records intact, so that when the 75 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: record got scratched because there was dogs and kids, um, 76 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: they'd still have a really fine quality system and you know, 77 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: a way to listen to their favorite albums. So you 78 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: have one album on one side, which almost usually would 79 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: pan out time wise, in the right amount of time. 80 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: Sometimes not, it would just run off the reel um 81 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: and then the other side was another album. You turn 82 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: the tape over and do you remember what albums? So 83 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: what were they playing? What kind of music? They had 84 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: a lot of Broadway musicals, West Side stories, you know, 85 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: did you have that? I remember one Sunday, you know, 86 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: you're in Seattle was raining. I remember one Sunday I 87 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: made my mother play all of her Broadway records because 88 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: it was a song of my And it wasn't until 89 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: the very last record that we hit the song that 90 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to hear, which was with a little bit 91 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: of Luck. Oh it was a little bit of luck 92 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: with a little bit Yeah, I know that one too. 93 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: And there was um, you know, really corny ones like 94 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: Oklahoma and uh really even cornier ones like South Pacific 95 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: when I went to all my iPod and that's really funny. 96 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: So they're playing those records, especially since you have older sisters. 97 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: Are they buying any children's or pop records? No, but 98 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: they bought Edgar versus Verres first electronique experimental music that 99 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: Frank Zappa was really into Edgar. Oh yeah, what was 100 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: the inspiration for that? They were just music students, you know. 101 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: They had um anything that Leonard Bernstein touched, they had 102 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: to have um we we watched the Leonard Bernstein's Music 103 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: show on it was just brilliant. Yeah. And they also 104 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: had um Ray Charles. They had to read Franklin, Peggy Lee. 105 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: So they were very well rounded musical influences on us, 106 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: and we all sang and ore we had ukuleles, and 107 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: my mom played piano. And so did you take piano lessons? Yeah, 108 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: a few years of piano lessons, which was you know, 109 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: like pulling teeth, never practice, but then you use it later, 110 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: which is a good thing to know, you know, just 111 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: to have the kind of the theory in your head, 112 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: um about intervals and harmonies and stuff. But so and 113 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: she taught us a lot of stuff on piano, and 114 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: our aunts and uncles would sing and harmonize play ukule 115 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: at least together. Um, we sang you know, offcolor, old 116 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: pub songs, old English and Irish puff songs like Lydia Pinkham, 117 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: you know that one. I don't know. They had the 118 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: Piper to the Sea and that kind of stuff. So, 119 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: and when do you start playing the guitar? When I 120 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: started playing guitar was when I saw the Beatles on 121 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: Ed Sullivan sixty three. Was it? Okay, that's right, of course, 122 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: you know exactly. I just remember because my parents used 123 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: to go out, you know at Friday night and Saturday night. 124 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: And my mother said, she's a real culture vulture. Oh, 125 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: you have to watch Jack Parr, who had hosted the 126 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: tonight show had a Friday night one hour show. You 127 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: have to watch this show, this new show. There's this 128 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: band from England. My mother was telling. My mother was 129 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: never a fan of My mother loved the Four Seasons. 130 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: She bought Big Girls, we had those, but she was 131 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,679 Speaker 1: not normally a fan. And I remember this was November 132 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: sixty three. They had a video shot in the theater, 133 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: like from behind the bottom row of seats is usually 134 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: like a little wall, and it was the Beatles. We 135 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: didn't know because everyone was screaming. We thought the name 136 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: of the song was we Love Too Yeah, yeah, yeah, 137 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: as opposed to she Loves You. And we laughed hysterically. Okay, 138 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: and then you know, two months later it was the 139 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: biggest thing going. Well I know, but we also it 140 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: was the folk boom before and we had those albums too, right. 141 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: We had better Fallen Mary of course blowing in the wind, 142 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: but Joan Bayazz a little bit of Joan Bayazz, but 143 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: not as much because if the vibrato issue with her 144 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: voice was a little you know, we were more into 145 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: Peter Palm Mary. They were a huge but we got 146 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: nylon string guitar which we started to play. But as 147 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: soon as the Beatles hit, we all went electric. So 148 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: you were not playing you were not playing guitar at 149 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: all until the Beatles run. Its all of them, right. 150 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: I was playing a lot of ukulele and p know 151 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: and you know. But then we had to have the guitars. 152 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: We just had to be the Beatles. Instead of trying 153 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: to marry them, we had to be them. And you 154 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: have a band, you consciously that instead of bearing the Beatles, 155 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: you'll be a Beatle. I'll be a Beatle. Yeah, I'll 156 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: develop a fake English accent in order to feel like 157 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: I'm a Beatle. Like it was that intense. Yeah, And 158 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: it was this a solo thing where you in on it. No, Um, she's, 159 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: you know, my older sister. So we had to do 160 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: it together, and we got guitars and we learned how 161 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: to play Beatle songs, and we got the mail Bay 162 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: Chord book of course, of course, and we learned all 163 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: those cores and we got so you're totally self taught, 164 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: as um. I never took guitar lessons per se. I 165 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: took a couple of classical guitar lessons once, but I 166 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: didn't have time because I was already touring a point 167 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: at that point. So, I mean it was nineteen really 168 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: when I joined Hart basically, but let's go before that. 169 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: It's you pick up the guitar. Yeah, and you start 170 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 1: to play with your sisters, the whole history of singing 171 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: in the house. Do you then say we're going to 172 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: form a band and we're gonna play. That's exactly what 173 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: we we did. It was like we have to form 174 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: a band. Um, it was kind of a folk It 175 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: was a protest song kind of folk ed folk tinged 176 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: protest band where we did like Gates of Eden, you know, 177 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: Bob Dylan's stuff, um, you know, blowing in the wind, 178 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: and but then we also did stuff like you know, uh, 179 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: stuff like Cherish what was on the radio at the time, Association, 180 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: and so we were kind of pop folk, you know, 181 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: rock ish acoustics type, all girl foursome. Okay, who are 182 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: the other two girls? There were girls were sort of 183 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: enlisted out of school that didn't really know how to 184 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: play or sing, but we just forced them. But because 185 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: they were our friends, so we just wanted to have 186 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: a band with friends in it. And um, we learned 187 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: how to play harmony, sing harmony, play pop music off 188 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: the radio and beatles songs. Okay, so you're obviously literally 189 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: famous now, but growing up in school at the public school, 190 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: were you one of the leaders, were you in the background. 191 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: Did you have a lot of friends prior to the 192 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: music thing. Um always was kind of the ugly, shy, 193 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: sort of fat girl really with a secret sort of life, 194 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: you know, at home with music, and uh yeah, it 195 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: was never like a I always kind of wished i'd 196 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: been like a cheerleader or could be like those people, 197 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: the popular people, right, that was the word. You want 198 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: to be popular, praying that you would be popular, and 199 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: hoping you could like have different body parts like the 200 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: other people that you didn't have that they had, you know, 201 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: just be somebody else, you know, besides me. Now you 202 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: form the band, how long is it until you actually 203 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: start to play outside the house? Um, we formed it 204 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 1: pretty quickly. We learned stuff fast. We developed a set, 205 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: a set list, and then we got a gig um 206 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: at a like folk festival someplace, and we actually we're 207 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: granny dresses and stood on a stage. There was big microphones, 208 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: like big microphones in front of our faces and an audience. 209 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: Then we started playing wherever we could play. We played 210 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: a lot of living rooms. Um. We even played at 211 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: a drive in theater one time in between the movies 212 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: before the movie started, and we're getting paid for these jobs. No, yeah, 213 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: so we were all It was ame as it was 214 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: a mania. That's what people talk about music today. They 215 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: have no idea what it was like. And the radio 216 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: was the tribal drum. But did you see this as 217 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: a career or a lark? I totally thought it was 218 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: the rest of my life to do. This is my job, 219 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: my vision, my quest, um, my purpose. And we just 220 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: aimed ourselves like pistols at that thing and we managed 221 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: to somehow achieve it. So like this all starts you're 222 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: like in fourth fifth grade, Okay, so and then your 223 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: sister Anne is four years older. What plays out while 224 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: you're in high school? Well she, um, she met guys 225 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: with electrical guitars and amps and drums and equipment with 226 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: a van. So so she was off, you know, on 227 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: her own trajectory at that point. And I was still 228 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: doing sort of acoustic performances on my own and little 229 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: coffee shops. And when I was under age with my boyfriend, 230 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: my first sort of real boyfriend, who I had a 231 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: duet acoustic duet with called Jeff and Nancy. We were 232 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: we got a job in Um up in the mountains, 233 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: in a real redneck town up there where they used 234 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: to shoot twin peaks um and we were just saying 235 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: a bunch of country music for the beer swilling guys 236 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: up there. And you know, there we got a manager 237 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: and he gave me an Ovation guitar and plugged it in, 238 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: you know, so it was all that was the big thing. 239 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: With a round fiber glass back you could plug it in. 240 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: That was a huge thing in like yeah, and you know, 241 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: I was like a poster girl for Ovation there for 242 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: a little while. So you were playing with Jeff and 243 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: your sister's got her own bands, doing her own thing. 244 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: She was, Yeah, she was kind of in a more 245 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: psychedelic band at the time. Staying at my sister Lynd's 246 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: commune a lot rehearsing that your sister lived at a commune. 247 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: They had a commune, Yeah, like a hippie commune. What 248 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: did your parents Your father was in the military. What 249 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: do you say about his daughter being in a commune. Well, 250 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: they took a bit of a dim view of the commune. 251 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: They called themselves the Hoopers, look like a takeoff on 252 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: the hippies, and there were some definitely of mind expansion 253 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: type days going on over there, and we'd skip out 254 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: school and we'd go play music over there and getting 255 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: we've gotten some trouble because Lynn's husband was a photographer 256 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: and there was some nude photography involved, so which was radical, 257 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: so radical, you know at that point. Now it's like 258 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: every every news stand cover, every the internet, it's everywhere. 259 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: So your sister is playing in bands, but also living 260 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: in Seattle, you have your duo with Jeff. Is your 261 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: sister having any success with her? It's like about work 262 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: influence bands. They were um, they were playing um at 263 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: some officers clubs, you know, so they were getting work, 264 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: they were getting paid and uh, you know, I was 265 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: getting paid a little up at in the North Bend 266 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: at the KEG and Q tavern, but um. But yeah. 267 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: She was starting to make a kind of a name 268 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: round town for herself because she was such a great singer, 269 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: and she was just one of the singers in the band. 270 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: There were guy singers in the band that would do 271 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: all the rock songs that she would just do the ballads. 272 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: When she started doing Zeppelin covers, it was a whole 273 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: different bollo Ax and so she started to be known 274 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: as a kind of a premier local singer and she's 275 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: got that gift. Okay, were you both because you know 276 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: there's history with love Bongers, etcetera. Were you that big 277 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: at Zeppelin fan? We were, Um, we saw st up 278 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: And play at the Green Lake Aqua Theater in Seattle, 279 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: opening for the Fifth Dimensions. Yeah, they were just they 280 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: were yeah right, they were just an opening act and 281 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: we were so we were scandalized by their sexuality because 282 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: we were pretty young and we just thought they were 283 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: just they were like showing their bare chested and you know, 284 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: really suggestive, and you know, Robert Plant was kind of 285 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: like it looks sort of like a man man and 286 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: a woman at the same time, and it was, you know, 287 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: really like it seemed like black magic. You know. So 288 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: we were scandalized and then we were hooked. And then 289 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: we had to learn their songs and we still have 290 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: done a lot of their stuff. Right, favorite, if there's 291 00:17:53,800 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: only one, I think the Rain Song because it incorporates 292 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: all of the melodic almost classical structure um and then 293 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: dissonance and the power and the delicacy that they very 294 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: well articulate. Possess all of those things, and that one 295 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: song has all of those elements. Okay, so now you're 296 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: in high school, when do you start playing with the 297 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: bands with your sister? UM? I had been kind of 298 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: a shadow and ants presence for being younger and stuff 299 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: for so long in my life that I decided I 300 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: would put off joining her band and go to college first. 301 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:43,959 Speaker 1: So I went to a year and a half of 302 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: university in Oregon where UM Portland's state was the second 303 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 1: one and UM Pacific University was the first year. Really beautiful, old, 304 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: out in nature kind of campuses, nothing much to do 305 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: except study, and I studied, you know, creative writing and 306 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: music theory and stuff I figured I could use to 307 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: bring along to the table as a musician and a writer. 308 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: And it was a really good idea. But like between 309 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: the school years, I'd sit in with Ann's band that 310 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: was called Heart by then. UM and uh, you know 311 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: do like really complicated acoustic introductions to things and yes, 312 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: songs and and you learn all that stuff in college, 313 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: and that helped. I knew all that stuff really early on. UM. 314 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: I never really studied guitar, but I I worked at 315 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: it really hard, play well. I learned it like on 316 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: a on an LP, you could you could switch the 317 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: speed down to have you can get machines that help 318 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: you do that now, but you can little vial, Yeah, 319 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: just a little button you could fush over to the 320 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: half speed and it's the same key because it's an 321 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: octave lower and it's half as fast, and you could 322 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: play everything at learning speed until you could do it again. 323 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: We're playing with Anne in between the two years of college, 324 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: and then how did you ultimately decide to drop out 325 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: and play with her? Well, um, well, my parents ran 326 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: out of money for one thing. Literally, it's the opposite. 327 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: Usually the parents are pissed at the kid drops out 328 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: of college. No, I think they were pretty strapped, and 329 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: you know, they had indulged me in the kind of 330 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 1: the educational thing that I wanted to get a taste of, 331 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: and I felt like i'd kind of gotten enough of 332 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: the of a something to take along from it with 333 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: me that I would just be able to, you know, 334 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: not finish that second year and go join the army 335 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: and see the world and regrets whatsoever about dropping on 336 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: a school m hm, No, we know you have to 337 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: twin boys. Are they planning to go to college. They 338 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: are there, one of them is already accepted to l 339 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: m U Animation and he's a really good animator already. 340 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: And the other guy is probably cal Arts or maybe 341 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: UM Concordia in Montreal. And how would you feel if 342 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: they dropped out? UM? I would give them the same 343 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: advice that my mom and dad gave me joining the band, 344 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: when they said, you know, follow your bliss, do what 345 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: it is you know you're going to be passionate about, 346 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: and but don't change who you are, Like if you 347 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: go to Tinseltown, stay who you are. So of course 348 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,959 Speaker 1: we all went to Tinseltown and we've changed, okay, so 349 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: you kind of had to figure out of and later 350 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: who we were, you know, to start out with like 351 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: a Joe Wall song. So the so you drop out 352 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: because your parents ran out of money, and you immediately 353 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: join your sister's band. And to what degree is that 354 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: the band that ultimately makes the first record? UM that 355 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: is pretty much almost the same band minus a couple 356 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: of players. We switched up with a rhythm section basically 357 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: and made the first subum that way. Well, but before 358 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: we get to the first album, you go to join 359 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: your sister's band. She immediately opened. She there's no issue 360 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: if you joining. She wants you know, there was a 361 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: standing open invitation forever to join that band, So I 362 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: knew I would join it. And we had so much 363 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: comfort zone with each other as musicians and singers and 364 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: players and writers already at that point that it was 365 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: just a natural, you know, evolution in Okay, So when 366 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: you joined the band, what's the status of the band 367 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: in terms of career arc But at that point they 368 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 1: were the biggest cabaret band in Vancouver, b C. They were. 369 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: They were a house band at the Zodiac Room at 370 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: this hotel in town, and they were touring around in 371 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: Canada in in one van in winter and when you know, 372 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: two lane highways. So I joined the band at that 373 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: point and started playing clubs cabarets immediately with them, and 374 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: you know, learning how to play pool and you know, 375 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: how to have cocktails and stuff like. You grew up 376 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: very quickly. I was pretty young for well, the drinking 377 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 1: age was younger in Vancouver. It's nineteen instead, so I 378 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: was of age at that point and the band was 379 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: making enough money to support you. Well, I was living 380 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: on a on a water bed bag without a frame 381 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: in a basement on a car very cold floor, was 382 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: a bag of water in a basement. So I was 383 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: in the spare kind of basement room down there, freezing 384 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: my ass. Huh. But um there was there was money 385 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: enough for the band house to buy like a fifty 386 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: pound sack of brown rice and vegetables, you know, so 387 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: we all were on a really healthy diet. Now I 388 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 1: was involved in a relationship with the guy who ended 389 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: up being the manager of the band, Yeah, the Swengali, 390 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: the magic Man, the magic Man, and his name was 391 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: Michael Fisher, and he was the brother of the guitar 392 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: player who kind of I kind of ended up with 393 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: Roger Fish. I was going to get get there you 394 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: when I had when you moved to Canada. Was Michael 395 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: Fisher already involved? Yes, he he was. Well. He had 396 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: come down illegally across the border to visit Roger and 397 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,719 Speaker 1: his family, who Ants had in her band already, So 398 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: Roger was in um Ant's band. Michael came to visit 399 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: his family. He was a draft evader, so he had 400 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: to come illegally across the border, and she met Mike 401 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: and fell in love with Mike, like hugely in love 402 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: with Mike and followed him back across the border, walking 403 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: hitchhiking with a backpack and a guitar, and the rest 404 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: of the band moved to Vancouver to make the band 405 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: happen there so that Ann and Mike would be together. 406 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: And was Mike immediately the manager? Yeah, he he had 407 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: that kind of um organized energy and he was getting 408 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: the gigs and he was um organizing the household and 409 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 1: keeping the books and you know, so how do you 410 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: get involved with Roger Um? I kind of had to 411 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: be persuaded into that situation. It was. It was it 412 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: was very convenient because we were traveling and an extra 413 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: hotel room was not well, I didn't realize, you know, 414 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: what I was doing at that age either, So it 415 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: was it was a convenient relationship to have for the 416 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: purposes of UM getting the band further along, But personally 417 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: it just wasn't going to work for me. And in 418 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: his case it was the opposite. He was he really 419 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: you had a thing for me, and I was just 420 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: kind of going along with something just to try to 421 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 1: get ahead. So I was in that way, I was 422 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: being like the dude in relationship. And how long did 423 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: that go on? A couple of years Okay, So how 424 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: do you end up getting the deal Mushroom Records? Well, 425 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: we were first turned down by every major label who 426 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: was pitching. Yeah. We we got our tapes together. We've 427 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: taped live performances real to real, and we made demos 428 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: and we wrote songs and mailed them to record companies 429 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: in the mail and got turned down about four times each. 430 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: And then there was a local, small um record company 431 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: called Mushroom Records, owned by a paint mogul guy in 432 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: Vancouver who they had a little studio and they wanted 433 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: to try to develop us, and they got their local 434 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: um Mike Flicker, the local sort of producer eye there, 435 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: and we got it together and we made the album. Okay, 436 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: but you were a student of the game and at 437 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: that time really was just majors. There weren't independence of 438 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: that level. How did you feel about making a deal 439 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: with Mushroom Records? It felt lucky, like somebody's gonna want 440 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: something from us, you know. Um, it felt like it 441 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: could there could be a chance a snowball dancing hell 442 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: because it was a smaller town, a smaller group of cool, 443 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: passionate people that we could put a face too instead 444 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: of just a big corporate brick wall, you know, and 445 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: it felt more personal and it was a better deal 446 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 1: for us, even though you know, at first they only 447 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 1: wanted to sign Anne only, and I got it. I 448 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: don't know how to quite how to responds. It was 449 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, that was a little hard, you know, 450 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: because she and she was cool enough to say, no, 451 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: I'm I won't do this without these key people and 452 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: me being one of them, and a couple of the 453 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: other players. So you have to sign all of these 454 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,479 Speaker 1: people or I don't sign anything, which was to her 455 00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: credit and she never regretted that ever. But the interesting 456 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: thing is, Mike Flicker made that record that is one 457 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: of the best sounding records of all time. People may 458 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: or may not remember. God thirty five years the big 459 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: thing was half Speed Mastered records, and there was a 460 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: half Speed rest Dreamboat. Any you can put that on, 461 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: It would just wake up the whole room. They couldn't 462 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: believe the sound of the record cut by this nobody 463 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: nowhere right. Well, they had one of those incredibly beautiful 464 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: um rooms that you like a muscle shoals kind of 465 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: a room with that type of a board and all 466 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: the tube gear and all the beautiful analog outboard gear 467 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: and um, it was just and he just had a 468 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: really good way of recording things, um up close, so 469 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: you hear the wood in the guitar, and you hear 470 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: the wood in the room, and just really had you know, 471 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: actually ends making an album right now with Mike Flicker 472 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: on her own. Yeah, which is very cool. Right, So 473 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: you're making that record, you're wet behind the years. To 474 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: what degree is that a forgetting the album that resulted? 475 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: To what degree was at a rewarding or frustrating experience 476 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: because usually people always say, oh, my first record, they 477 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: told me what to do, it was what I wanted 478 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: to do, etcetera. Yeah, Well, we were just hell bent, 479 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: you know. We were just um dogged about what we 480 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,959 Speaker 1: what we were going to get out of making this record. 481 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: We worked really hard. We were we were recording and 482 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: then doing shows at night, recording by day doing. Yeah, 483 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: we were just putting every single stitch of us into it. 484 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: And um, and it was a big learning curve because 485 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: playing in a band, I had hardly played in that 486 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: band for very long yet I was a sort of 487 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,479 Speaker 1: more of a solo player and singer, and so getting 488 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: the groove right with a band of players is a 489 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: really big lesson. It's a big learning curve to not 490 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: be ahead of that pushing ahead, you know, or two 491 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: lagging too far behind. And the take that has the 492 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: magic in it. You know, you do full takes every 493 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: time of the song, all the way through time and 494 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: time and time and time and time again, until one 495 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: of them felt like there was the magic, or like 496 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: the first half of this one and the second half 497 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: of that one where they take the actual physical tape out, 498 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: cut it with a razor blade and you know, splice 499 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: it together and then see if it worked with no 500 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: safety so it's like whoa. Those were very you know, 501 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: brave times in the recording studio, great times. Very How 502 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: long did it take you to make the first record? Um, 503 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: we didn't have a long time to do it. I 504 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: think it was maybe a couple of months. So the 505 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: record is now done. Are you happy with the record? Very? 506 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: Happy with the record? Okay, happy with the package, happy 507 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: with everything. I hated the package. The picture, you know, 508 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: it was like one of the first times I really 509 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: were makeup and a photo shoot and I thought it 510 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: looked like I had dirt on my face or something. 511 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: So I rubbed it all off, you know, before the 512 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: photographer came in and I don't know, you could just 513 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: see all the pimples everything. You know, it's never liked it, 514 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: but everybody liked it. And it was controversial cover because 515 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: we had bare shoulders that were touching, and so, you know, 516 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: I always heard, you know, there was the classic thing, 517 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: well are they sisters? Said the lovers? I never thought 518 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: that like it? What's you know why I go there 519 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: just to make it a little more scimilating or whatever. 520 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: But that's what it was about. The record is done. 521 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: At that time, I was living in Utah living. I 522 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: remember hearing the songs on the radio, but being in 523 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: the band. What was the first step in the road 524 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: to success of that record, Well, in the book it's 525 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: pretty well described the book Kicking and Dreaming. We were 526 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: still in a club phase when the album started to 527 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: gain momentum, and suddenly we were playing this really god 528 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: awful dinner club, you know, in White Rock or someplace, 529 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: and we got fired for for criticizing the food at 530 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: the place on stage. And then the same night we 531 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: got a call from Rod Stewart's people said come open 532 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: for Rod Stewart in Montreal. So we got on a train, 533 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: went across Canada and opened for Rod Stewart. But a 534 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: little before that had the label gotten songs on the radio. 535 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: On the radio. We we got in a rent a 536 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: car with this guy named Shelley's Eagle and went to 537 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: every is no longer with us, right, No, he's he 538 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: didn't last very long after that, but um, he but 539 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: he was, you know, a little wiry rat of a dude, 540 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: and took us to each and every radio station in 541 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: America basically, Um and I met met the DJs programmers, 542 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: and so go away in the car, you know, did 543 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: the payola thing, gave him whatever kind of drugs or 544 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 1: whatever else he was doing, and we were just innocent 545 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: enough to not really get it, you know. But we 546 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 1: broke pretty well region by region according to the regions 547 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: we had actually physically gone and worked station. It seemed 548 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: from the outside it was very quick, it did seem 549 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: from the outside, but it was a long Um. It 550 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 1: was a region by regions, sort of a growth. We 551 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: just kind of spread out like like a bad growth. No, 552 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: we just uh, we kind of started. It was in 553 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: the Midwest where they liked us first, and we kind 554 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: of spread west after that and Finally, last but not least, 555 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: the East Coast came on board. Okay, were there any 556 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: moments of doubt or once you started making the record 557 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: everything you just up, up, up. It was going fast 558 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: and it was. It was really exciting and like opening 559 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: for Rod Stewart at this big arena where people had 560 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: heard our music and liked it already. We didn't know 561 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 1: they'd already knew our music and we started playing probably 562 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: magic Man, and they all lit there. Um. Then it 563 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: was it was before matches. That's really dating myself, but 564 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: I don't think the latters were a thing yet. They 565 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: had zippos probably, and it looked like a sea of stars. 566 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: It was just like magical. It was like unforgettably amazing 567 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 1: and cool and big and um unfathomed, and the rock 568 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: of it was like, this is rock. This is what 569 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: I want rock and roll to be right here, right now. 570 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: Let's see of stars. You know, God, you know it 571 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 1: makes me takenal just hear about it all these years later. 572 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: So then that's a one off with Rod Stewart. Um. 573 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 1: We opened for Rod Um a few shows, I believe, 574 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: and then we got more offers from like zz top 575 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: z Z top we opened for ZZ and we opened 576 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: for April Wine, big Canadian vans, so we did a 577 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: lot of Canadian shows and bigger places, and um, you know, 578 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: Billy Gibbons said, Hey, you're pretty good for a girl. 579 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: Hold that thought. We'll take a quick break and get 580 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: right back to this conversation with Nancy Wilson at the 581 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: band part. Thanks for listening to this week's edition of 582 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: the Bob Left Sets podcast. If you want to see 583 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: photos and videos of my guests and the tune in 584 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: studios here in Venice, California, check out at tune In 585 00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. And now more with Nancy Wilson. 586 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: Now you're on the road. We're in the height of 587 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: the me too movement and you're one of the few people, 588 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: one of the few women playing music is famous. But 589 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: if you start narrowing it down to being a guitarist 590 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: and playing rock, there aren't that many people. Yeah, it's 591 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,879 Speaker 1: a small group of us. So what was it like 592 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: being a woman in that world? Well, it was interesting. 593 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: I'll go back to the fact that we were military rats, um, 594 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: having that dogged sort of ideology just to get it, 595 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: get there and do what it is. That was our 596 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: bliss to get our bliss, you know, to wrangle the 597 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:50,720 Speaker 1: bliss our bliss to the ground. And um that because 598 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,959 Speaker 1: our mom was so strong I guess too, and had 599 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: been the father and a mother mainly for us, that 600 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: we saw the strength and we took her strength with 601 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: us and we just didn't really take no. I mean 602 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: when somebody tried to insinuate that we were sister lovers, 603 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: you know, that's why we wrote Barracuda. Um, we just 604 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: weren't going to have it that way. And we knew 605 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: we were strong enough to especially with each other there 606 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: to lean on as women. We weren't kind of singled out, 607 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: you know, we had our own wagons in a circle. 608 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: So um. And you know, when you play guitar and 609 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: it's you can turn it up to ten or eleven. Um, 610 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: it's a lethal weapon. I mean, it's it's a it's 611 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: a force, and it's it's a weapon too. It's a 612 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: weapon for good, which music is, you know, which is 613 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 1: what you want to protect, is the you know, the 614 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: beautiful um kernel of what makes music so great and 615 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: what inspires people and heals people about music. But if 616 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: anybody comes up with pin wheels for eyes running at 617 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 1: you on a rock stage, you have a weapon in 618 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: your hand, you know. I once went the first Elvis 619 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: Costello tour, played the whiskey and some guy uh started 620 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,720 Speaker 1: acting out on stage and he literally put his strato 621 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 1: caster uh. When the strato caster was a well, it's 622 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 1: the other one with only two uh um, two big 623 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: broad uh, the one that was most expensive, and it 624 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: was also played by the by the Beach Boys. Suddenly 625 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: I forget, but I used to know. All these guitar 626 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: things was fascinating. But he put it over his folder 627 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: and the other guys that are being broke glasses and 628 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 1: they were right there to fight the guy. And I 629 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 1: remember being there. Even made Time magazine. But the perception 630 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: on the outside would be that being a woman, when 631 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 1: you weren't on stage, you had to fend off men 632 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: to a certain degree. Was that true? Yes? I mean 633 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: in a band, you've got your camaraderie and your circle 634 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: of dudes that you kind of travel as pack, so 635 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 1: you already kind of normally have that bit of a 636 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: buffer zone just naturally with you. But I had a 637 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: lot of run ins with just guys that are trying 638 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: to come on to me, and I developed a system 639 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: I guess of of just like if you're walking, you 640 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: have to walk with purpose, you know, you have to 641 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: um speak with purpose. You can't be wishy washy, and 642 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: you have to really know how to insinuate your power 643 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: on someone else with words or with with even just 644 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: body language. So it's funny you mentioned that because I 645 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: was married to someone who didn't understand all that it 646 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: would end up in bad situations. You have to send 647 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: a signal, right, It's it can be very um invisible, 648 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 1: you know, to the but you're sending the singles. Yeah, 649 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: it's like when you're walking down the hall and you're 650 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: gonna go this way and somebody else is going to 651 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 1: go that way. The body language is what you read 652 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: off the other person. Now, just you know this is 653 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,239 Speaker 1: all this is dangerous territory. But if you talk to 654 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: male musicians to a great degree, they all say, I 655 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 1: really couldn't talk anybody. I spoke through my music. And 656 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to be famous for the sexual opportunities, for 657 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,240 Speaker 1: the guy, for the girls. That ever cost the mind 658 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 1: of a woman. I'm on the road, there are all 659 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,320 Speaker 1: these men who are fixated on me. I think, yeah, 660 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 1: I think a lot of women have have wanted to 661 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: use men the way they've probably felt used by men 662 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: with that kind of power that rock rock stage gives 663 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: you or music music will give you. UM. Performance can 664 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:51,720 Speaker 1: give you that. UM. But I guess I never felt 665 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 1: that way. I never felt like objectifying men as sexualizing 666 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: men from that standpoint. Was always really sexual person and 667 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 1: very interested in the sexuality of the music, what the 668 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: music brings across, and how romantic it can also be, 669 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: which is more sexy to me than just sexy just 670 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: staying there the way you describe that. You know what 671 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: people people at this era where stardom is so anointed 672 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: and prevalent, people forget that underneath it, people are actually musicians. 673 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,879 Speaker 1: So I have to trust you. Since you've met, you've 674 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 1: used a lot of terms and a lot of insight 675 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: as being a musician. Do you find that you like 676 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 1: that cocoon and it is somewhat difficult interacting with non 677 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: musician people or that's really really interesting question. Um. There 678 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: is a total language with musicians. If you're in different 679 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: recording studios for different purposes and different projects with almost 680 00:42:55,160 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: any other musicians, you already have the language. Everyone has 681 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:06,879 Speaker 1: the same jokes, the same There's just a total musician style, um, 682 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,239 Speaker 1: a lifestyle, and a lot of it comes from all 683 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,120 Speaker 1: the hours of trying and failing and trying and failing 684 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: and learning your craft and being getting good at it 685 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 1: and knowing when to shut up and when to give 686 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 1: you know, over too not to cover up too much space, 687 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,399 Speaker 1: but when to when to shine, you know, all those 688 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 1: various lessons that musicians have take with them, and that 689 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: makes a personality type. Um. So I've never felt as 690 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,280 Speaker 1: at home with a lot of regular folks in life, 691 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,760 Speaker 1: you know, Like, I mean, I like people, and I'm 692 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: good with people, and I believe people are good, you know, 693 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,439 Speaker 1: despite a lot of the evidence. But um yeah, I'm 694 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: just kind of a I'm kind of clumsy in social 695 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 1: settings where it's like what will I say? Now? You know, 696 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,280 Speaker 1: how am I supposed to act? Right? Yeah, I certainly 697 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 1: understand that. But let's go back to the band. So 698 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: the Dreamboat any blows up, okay, and then the whole 699 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 1: thing blows up. So you ultimately get in a war 700 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 1: with a label. You switched to Epic. What's going on 701 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,839 Speaker 1: at that time? There was trouble with the second album. 702 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: That's really kind of boring, you know, it's not interesting 703 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: at all. But but you was you could have technically 704 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: have been stopped from making it the rest of the album, 705 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: recording the album, Okay, but just so I know, because 706 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,319 Speaker 1: you know, there's been a lot of stories whatever the 707 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,839 Speaker 1: second album you intended to make for Mushroom, Yeah, and 708 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 1: then they found out you were negotiating with Epic. How 709 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,840 Speaker 1: that ultimately something in there got real fishy with between 710 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,799 Speaker 1: Mushroom and Epic and we needed to we had a 711 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,960 Speaker 1: key man clause to get us out of being forced 712 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 1: to release a mush another Mushroom or Epic um released 713 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,879 Speaker 1: that they wanted to finish without our actual without our 714 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,960 Speaker 1: actual input. So there was it was a it was 715 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:11,319 Speaker 1: a litigious time, Bob. Their number of bands been through 716 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:16,440 Speaker 1: this and it almost you know, destroyed Springstein and Petty. 717 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 1: So being in the middle of that, Maelstrom, what was 718 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: your perspective, um, we were just really p oed. We 719 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,760 Speaker 1: were pissed, and we were on, you know, on a 720 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: a tirade to get the album finished, um in in 721 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 1: a ten day period so that we'd have our own 722 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 1: input on the album. And the other one was released 723 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 1: anyway that didn't have our approval and was taken and 724 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: then was taken off the shelves after that, so it's 725 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: a rarity, but you know, it was just all this stuff. 726 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 1: We were sleeping under the console and taking turns, finishing 727 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,840 Speaker 1: overdubs and before the deadline, you know, to try to 728 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: get our own artistic content on this album. So then 729 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,600 Speaker 1: you switched to Epeck. Though legal wars are behind you 730 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:15,839 Speaker 1: and you continue to have success. Yes, what was that 731 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,799 Speaker 1: like to be one that success after another? Well, it 732 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:26,960 Speaker 1: was it was It was fraught with you know, the 733 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,240 Speaker 1: things that naturally come after you've started, and then you're 734 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 1: trying to sustain you're a career with something that's meaningfully 735 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: creative in your life, and so we were touring more. 736 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,880 Speaker 1: I mean, this is the age old story. You know, 737 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,880 Speaker 1: all the story in the world. You have your lifetime 738 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 1: to make your first of them and then you know, 739 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,799 Speaker 1: everyone says it, but it's true, and then you're kind 740 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 1: of forced to hurry up and create and you have 741 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,719 Speaker 1: X amount of time. Rest of it, you're making money 742 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,279 Speaker 1: on the road, and then that's a big that's a 743 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,319 Speaker 1: siren song in itself because you're now you're big and 744 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 1: popular and you're on the road and there's all this 745 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 1: other world of of distractions and potential you know, um 746 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:25,239 Speaker 1: accidents that you're gonna and the potential accidents or what. Well, 747 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:30,360 Speaker 1: there's there's like the world becomes your oyster, and there's 748 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:37,000 Speaker 1: there's lavish restaurants, and there's lavish wines and everyone is 749 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 1: stroking your ego and all those typical things that my 750 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 1: mom and dad warned us about, the tinsel town of 751 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,759 Speaker 1: it all. You know, we're just like, Oh, I think 752 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,400 Speaker 1: I buy a farm on you know, the Oregon coast, 753 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,319 Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty acre farm, and you know, get 754 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,319 Speaker 1: dune buggies and have horses, and I think I'm like 755 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 1: gonna be like Neil Young and you know, and go 756 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,840 Speaker 1: there and ride. It's like, only trouble is is fourteen 757 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,319 Speaker 1: hours to get there, you know. So you never get there, 758 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 1: and then you have to sell the farm, and you 759 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,280 Speaker 1: had another house and you can't afford both of them 760 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,680 Speaker 1: and they won't sell it. Just all of the financial 761 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,879 Speaker 1: hoi filoy and who haa that you have to learn 762 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,400 Speaker 1: the hard way to get through. Okay. So Rock and 763 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,120 Speaker 1: rolls rife with stories of people who earned money they 764 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 1: didn't get to them. You're working hard, you feel successful. 765 00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,319 Speaker 1: Was money trickling down into your account. Well, I was 766 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,880 Speaker 1: spending it pretty fast, but no, I was just to 767 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,800 Speaker 1: be honest, I was, um like, more than a millionaire 768 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,919 Speaker 1: by twenty one, and then really broke by thirty five, 769 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,160 Speaker 1: and then a millionaire again. And in the eighties, you know, 770 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,719 Speaker 1: double millionaire over here and then really hard luck over there. 771 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 1: It was just a real estate disorder, I think. So 772 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,280 Speaker 1: at this point in time, with all these ups and downs, 773 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,279 Speaker 1: do you think you're really good with money now or 774 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:09,439 Speaker 1: you're still bad. I don't know one thing about money anymore. Ever, 775 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 1: I never have. Um, it's been you know, my Achilles 776 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:22,000 Speaker 1: heel um. But I'm married to somebody that does so yeah, yeah, 777 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:28,960 Speaker 1: so he's a good yeah watch dog. So okay, you're 778 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 1: making these records for Epic. Are you happy with those records? 779 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,080 Speaker 1: They were? They were less and less for me, less 780 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:41,680 Speaker 1: and less um solid artistically that we got a little 781 00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,080 Speaker 1: more big for our bridges and hubrists kind of kicked 782 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,880 Speaker 1: in and we were gonna be there. We're gonna fire 783 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,520 Speaker 1: some guys in the band, and then we're going to 784 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,719 Speaker 1: record it the way we want to record it. We're 785 00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,920 Speaker 1: gonna you know, be the producers and play more of 786 00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:01,760 Speaker 1: the parts ourselves and um, he got uneven. Those albums 787 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,840 Speaker 1: got pretty uneven, there were They all had really nice 788 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:10,160 Speaker 1: I think gems in there, but as peace as a whole, 789 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 1: those albums were kind of you know, scattered and how 790 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,600 Speaker 1: did it end with epic and you end up in Capital. 791 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,759 Speaker 1: We'd sort of had a downturn for a while there 792 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:24,439 Speaker 1: for all the obvious reasons. And when we decided we 793 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,480 Speaker 1: wanted to try to give it one more college try, 794 00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,000 Speaker 1: we hired a manager, we hired we wanted to get 795 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:35,640 Speaker 1: a new record company and management, and wanted to retool 796 00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,799 Speaker 1: our entire image. And so we we got out the 797 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,839 Speaker 1: glam and you know, I got the big hair and 798 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:47,359 Speaker 1: the fashionistas of rock, you know, and we we went 799 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:53,440 Speaker 1: very um prince in the revolution with it, and MTV 800 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,320 Speaker 1: started to happen, so then it was all about visuals 801 00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,400 Speaker 1: and so you know, we had some of that to 802 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:05,840 Speaker 1: give over. Um that became obnoxious after Whilbough too, because 803 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:11,120 Speaker 1: it became overblown about bastic as you well remember, by 804 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,840 Speaker 1: the end of the eighties, the bombast had grown to 805 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,920 Speaker 1: such an extent that when the Seattle explosion came along, 806 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:24,640 Speaker 1: it was just like what the doctor ordered after MTV. 807 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,799 Speaker 1: You know, let's go back to where we were talking 808 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,800 Speaker 1: about the money. If you never played another note on stage, 809 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,680 Speaker 1: do you have enough money to get to the end. 810 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,200 Speaker 1: I have some savings, now, that's what I mean. I mean, 811 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,160 Speaker 1: you have enough saved and there's enough income from maybe 812 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,880 Speaker 1: songs or whatever such that if you stopped playing today, 813 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:48,040 Speaker 1: you could retire on that money. No, I don't think so. Okay, Honestly, um, 814 00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:53,399 Speaker 1: the touring life is was the actual real money and 815 00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,880 Speaker 1: not so much the songwriting anymore or the licensing that's 816 00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,040 Speaker 1: really really dwindled who next to nothing? So it used 817 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,000 Speaker 1: to be very different. You know. Songwriting used to be 818 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,680 Speaker 1: really lucrative, and I'm sure it is for a lot 819 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,400 Speaker 1: of these guys now, but um, you have to have 820 00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,480 Speaker 1: big hits, you know too. And and now it's like 821 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:19,160 Speaker 1: teams of production and writer teams and it's art by committee, 822 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,719 Speaker 1: you know. But but I used to make really good 823 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:29,399 Speaker 1: money at songwriting and touring. Um used to loan your songs. Yeah, okay, 824 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,040 Speaker 1: So let's go back and go to the Capital era. 825 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,920 Speaker 1: Is it your decision to clamb it up or is 826 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,160 Speaker 1: it their decision to clamb it up? The league? It 827 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:41,240 Speaker 1: was sort of a mutually agreed upon thrust, you know, like, Okay, 828 00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna do it this way. We're gonna go on, 829 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,239 Speaker 1: We're gonna get big makeup, big hair design. You know, 830 00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:52,120 Speaker 1: wardrobe and makeup and hair and um, you know, camera allights, 831 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,600 Speaker 1: action and you know, okay, now simper and pout and 832 00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,360 Speaker 1: you know a lot of stuff we would just naturally 833 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,399 Speaker 1: do on a buck stage. But when there's cameras, now 834 00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:07,239 Speaker 1: there's there's you know, lots of teams have been you know, 835 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,680 Speaker 1: cast have been her extras going on, you know, doing there. 836 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:17,000 Speaker 1: I mean some of those videos sets were just outlandishly ridiculous. 837 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,719 Speaker 1: I mean just ridiculous. And you see that stuff now 838 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,520 Speaker 1: and it's very entertaining because it was so but it's 839 00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,440 Speaker 1: so dated, you know, it's so of its time. What 840 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,759 Speaker 1: do your kids say about those videos? They get a 841 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,600 Speaker 1: really good laugh out belly laugh when they see that stuff, 842 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 1: and so do I. Okay, but now we all remember 843 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,520 Speaker 1: the power of MTV as big as you were, and 844 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,239 Speaker 1: you've been around for years at that point. Once you're 845 00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,759 Speaker 1: on MTV, everybody knows who you are. The American living 846 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,640 Speaker 1: room says, hello, Yeah, it was weird because it was 847 00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:57,120 Speaker 1: such a new feature in our story as musicians. And 848 00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:01,640 Speaker 1: at one point somebody said, um, well, oh you must 849 00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,960 Speaker 1: have had your boobs done, and I was like, what, 850 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,399 Speaker 1: you know, just because it was accented and um, and 851 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:13,080 Speaker 1: do you really play the guitar? Yes, it's not a prop, 852 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,359 Speaker 1: you know, And it was just kind of like that's 853 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,239 Speaker 1: where it sort of went over the line in a 854 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:23,960 Speaker 1: way for the just being having being taken seriously as 855 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,600 Speaker 1: a musician, when it's more like you're now you're a 856 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,560 Speaker 1: sex kitten, and what about the musician part, you know. 857 00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,680 Speaker 1: And then in the height of MTV, can you go 858 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:39,319 Speaker 1: to the grocery store? Not as much? No, I mean, 859 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,640 Speaker 1: especially if Ann and I were together going anywhere, because 860 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,920 Speaker 1: it's like the two of them together is the aspect 861 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,319 Speaker 1: of them together. Um, I could get away with more 862 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:55,600 Speaker 1: you know, anonymity on my own. And I always like 863 00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,279 Speaker 1: to try to go to the store, you know, um, 864 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:03,280 Speaker 1: to live a normal life. But whether audience that's right, Well, 865 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,600 Speaker 1: you know, I go to the store a lot now, 866 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,160 Speaker 1: and it's great. I like being normal. I like having 867 00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:13,640 Speaker 1: a kitchen in a you know, washerton dryer for Christ's sake. 868 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,560 Speaker 1: But okay, going back to the empty VI era, all 869 00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,200 Speaker 1: of a sudden, from the outside looks like the focused 870 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:23,520 Speaker 1: changes from your sister to you. Well, there was that 871 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,640 Speaker 1: too that was going on with her weight at the 872 00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:34,919 Speaker 1: time was um less than what was supposedly acceptable, So 873 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,359 Speaker 1: she wasn't you know. They they there were some mean 874 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,399 Speaker 1: spirited things going on in the press about it. When 875 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,200 Speaker 1: we were playing shows, they would comment more about that 876 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:51,200 Speaker 1: than the show about her, you know, her her weight 877 00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,799 Speaker 1: and that. Then they would contrast me to her and say, 878 00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:02,320 Speaker 1: you know the demure um, you know, the blonde, sexy 879 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:08,160 Speaker 1: demure sister and then the the sort of overweight Catterwallen sister, 880 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,839 Speaker 1: and it was just really mean. A lot of that 881 00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,480 Speaker 1: stuff was really mean. So we started to say, don't 882 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:19,200 Speaker 1: show us any reviews unless they're good, and then we 883 00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:24,040 Speaker 1: didn't really see any reviews. But it was just a 884 00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,160 Speaker 1: weird time um that was so focused on image and 885 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,960 Speaker 1: less on music that it I think that was part 886 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,440 Speaker 1: of 's issue. It's like she felt so much pressure. 887 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,640 Speaker 1: How did the two of you get along during that era. 888 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,439 Speaker 1: We had a harder time just as people getting through 889 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,520 Speaker 1: that era because of the pressure on me too before 890 00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,360 Speaker 1: in front and when she had started the band, you know, 891 00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,480 Speaker 1: and uh, and she was going through her own sort 892 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,680 Speaker 1: of personal stuff issues and I'm fighting with her own demons, 893 00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,000 Speaker 1: and so it was right. I mean, we had the 894 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:06,279 Speaker 1: most money and but the least the least amount of 895 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,719 Speaker 1: joy from that whole era. And you know, there was 896 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,360 Speaker 1: just one day where they offered us like one million 897 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,560 Speaker 1: dollars to play a show at a festival somewhere, But 898 00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,200 Speaker 1: it just happened to be the day that I had 899 00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:25,840 Speaker 1: planned on getting married, you know, and I said, no, 900 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,720 Speaker 1: I mean, not one million dollars is going to change 901 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:34,680 Speaker 1: my mind. So you know, there's there's always ethical issues 902 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,400 Speaker 1: going on in that era, and a lot of it 903 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:44,439 Speaker 1: was artistically ethical issues. Okay, but at that point, once 904 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:50,000 Speaker 1: you're a capital, you're now using co writers, other people involved. 905 00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:56,800 Speaker 1: We were, um, we were sort of encouraged by way 906 00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:02,960 Speaker 1: of um, sort of how do you say, we won't 907 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:09,400 Speaker 1: back you, we won't back your album threatened, that's the word. Um. 908 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,560 Speaker 1: If we didn't use outside writers, the stable of l 909 00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,440 Speaker 1: A hit makers typewriters, we could have a few of 910 00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,840 Speaker 1: our own songs on the albums too. If we went 911 00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,200 Speaker 1: with the hits that they chose from other writers, which 912 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,160 Speaker 1: that had written other writers have written, so you know, 913 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,760 Speaker 1: that was happening everywhere. It was Aerosmith, it was all 914 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,040 Speaker 1: the rock bands were doing it, all the big power ballads. 915 00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:38,520 Speaker 1: You know. But even what was it like, because you 916 00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,600 Speaker 1: have bona fides as a musician, so what was it 917 00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,400 Speaker 1: like being thrust in that situation? It was? It was weird. 918 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:50,800 Speaker 1: I mean, we'd always prided ourselves on being originally active 919 00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,840 Speaker 1: you know writers and um, even though we sort of 920 00:58:54,880 --> 00:59:01,840 Speaker 1: lost some of our thread, you know, as talented hit songwriter, UM, 921 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:06,480 Speaker 1: being kind of forced having these other priders forced down 922 00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,880 Speaker 1: our throats in a way was really upsetting and kind 923 00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:16,840 Speaker 1: of um. It was you know, it was it was upsetting. 924 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,479 Speaker 1: And a lot of the songs we would audition, song 925 00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,960 Speaker 1: after song after song after song with the then producer 926 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,680 Speaker 1: just cossette tape cassette tape cassette tape, song after song 927 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,480 Speaker 1: after song, and there were so many that were so 928 00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,000 Speaker 1: formulaic and so much the same, and so many that 929 00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:40,600 Speaker 1: were demo singers, um singing about some guy broke my heart, 930 00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,520 Speaker 1: just like the Victim of the Victim and the Victim 931 00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:49,640 Speaker 1: and more Victims and um or like the Sexy Chick songs. 932 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:54,440 Speaker 1: And it was just like really disappointing, and it was 933 00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,480 Speaker 1: it was very narrow. It was a very narrow um 934 00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,200 Speaker 1: line to walk. So we did find beautiful songs. We 935 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:08,400 Speaker 1: found these Dreams, which um, they didn't even want us 936 01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,520 Speaker 1: to actually do, but I said, I have to do 937 01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:15,240 Speaker 1: this song. This one's for me, and um and Bernie 938 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:21,320 Speaker 1: Topen's lyrics are always amazing. Um and Alone, great song, 939 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,360 Speaker 1: and a few others. But um, it was just really strange. 940 01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,240 Speaker 1: Put your feature to the fire, and you know, in 941 01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,520 Speaker 1: order to save a couple of your own originals, you 942 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,440 Speaker 1: have to do these other, big, bombastic ones. And so 943 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,680 Speaker 1: what was it like? Was it as satisfying having kids 944 01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,320 Speaker 1: with somebody else's songs as it was having kids with 945 01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:46,480 Speaker 1: your own? Um? No, Actually it was just a pride issue, 946 01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:51,400 Speaker 1: like artistic you know control. I mean I loved I've 947 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,120 Speaker 1: grown to love songs like Alone and songs like these 948 01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,320 Speaker 1: Dreams a lot because I think they hold integrity and 949 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:04,920 Speaker 1: they're kind of aimeless and and there there it's about 950 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:11,920 Speaker 1: more than just wimpy girls, you know, acting whimpy um, 951 01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:18,240 Speaker 1: whining whining whimpy girls. But um, but yeah, I think 952 01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,760 Speaker 1: it was it's it's a hollow victory when you have 953 01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:27,680 Speaker 1: Huger success with less of your own footprint to you know, 954 01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:32,000 Speaker 1: to show for it. And so how does it end 955 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,520 Speaker 1: in the capitol years? Is it you know, all of 956 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,720 Speaker 1: a sudden records aren't successful or what happens? Um? I 957 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,080 Speaker 1: think we had the deal that was for a couple 958 01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:45,440 Speaker 1: of albums, I think, and we've fulfilled our agreement and 959 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,320 Speaker 1: we've done our deed and we'd um sort of reached 960 01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:56,560 Speaker 1: a we've kind of reached our um critical mass as 961 01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:01,600 Speaker 1: a band with the issues with Waite and the imaging 962 01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,440 Speaker 1: and the end of the eighties and how music was 963 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,680 Speaker 1: about to explode into something completely different. So we kind 964 01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:12,760 Speaker 1: of decided to let it lay at that. Let us 965 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:17,400 Speaker 1: just let us sit and take a sabbatical and go 966 01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,520 Speaker 1: home and you know, get some time at home and 967 01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:24,960 Speaker 1: see our family and do some laundry, have a kitchen 968 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:28,440 Speaker 1: and washer and dryer, and um drive a car, oh 969 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:32,840 Speaker 1: my god. And uh so we we kind of made 970 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:37,080 Speaker 1: the Lovemongers. Then well, we sort of had it with 971 01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:41,320 Speaker 1: the big sporting event type you know, rock shows, where 972 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,360 Speaker 1: it was it was just too big, too much, and 973 01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:49,040 Speaker 1: the pressure was to to be like like an MTV 974 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,600 Speaker 1: video all the time. So we decided we put on 975 01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:56,400 Speaker 1: our combat boots and go to Seattle and kick around 976 01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:00,680 Speaker 1: in some some clubs again and where you could just 977 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,000 Speaker 1: see the whites of their eyes and connect and just 978 01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,600 Speaker 1: do whatever the heck we wanted to do song wise, 979 01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:11,200 Speaker 1: Like we covered Moody Blues, and we covered stones, and 980 01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,600 Speaker 1: we did our own stuff too, and some new stuff, 981 01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,160 Speaker 1: and we made a couple albums. We made a good 982 01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,880 Speaker 1: uh Christmas album, and we made a album called Whirlygig. 983 01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,040 Speaker 1: We just had a blast. It was just it was 984 01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,320 Speaker 1: like everything was lifted off of us and it was 985 01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:33,440 Speaker 1: back to you know, making no money, actually paying to 986 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:39,360 Speaker 1: play basically. But it was really fulfilling. So ultimately good experience, 987 01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:45,480 Speaker 1: very good experience, and that brings us with yeah, I 988 01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,800 Speaker 1: guess so. And then what was the thinking then? Well, 989 01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:54,720 Speaker 1: I was decided to start a family, and so I 990 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,160 Speaker 1: couldn't be kind of on tour with heart, you know, 991 01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:01,600 Speaker 1: we kind of had put it on hold. And then um, 992 01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:06,080 Speaker 1: instead of going back out with heart, UM, I stayed 993 01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:08,240 Speaker 1: at home for a few years just trying to to 994 01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:13,880 Speaker 1: you know, do fertility stuff and start my family, which 995 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,680 Speaker 1: took longer than I ever expected it would take. Starting 996 01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,600 Speaker 1: at an older age at that time, and then um 997 01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,800 Speaker 1: so Anne went out on her own and did like 998 01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:29,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of like Marine Corps bases, and I guess 999 01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,480 Speaker 1: there was like a Marlborough sponsorship or something like that, 1000 01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:36,960 Speaker 1: and she, you know, she kept on going, and I, 1001 01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,120 Speaker 1: you know, it took me quite a while to get 1002 01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:44,400 Speaker 1: back to doing Heart after I had my kids and 1003 01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,880 Speaker 1: they were two years old and we went back out 1004 01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:51,960 Speaker 1: and oh two the summer of love to her, Now 1005 01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,400 Speaker 1: that you have kids and you've done everything, is it 1006 01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,800 Speaker 1: possible to do everything? Is it possible to be a 1007 01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:02,360 Speaker 1: world famous rock star and I have a thing or well, 1008 01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:09,360 Speaker 1: I think it's next to impossible. I'm not sure how 1009 01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:13,760 Speaker 1: I've managed to do it. I mean, it's the biggest 1010 01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:19,400 Speaker 1: um stress that I've ever felt, was to try to 1011 01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:23,160 Speaker 1: balance how much to tour and how much to be 1012 01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:28,360 Speaker 1: home and in order to get enough to survive and 1013 01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,520 Speaker 1: afford everything at the same time. So it's something that 1014 01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,880 Speaker 1: I think a lot of career women, not just in music, 1015 01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,960 Speaker 1: but a lot of women have to deal with. And 1016 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,520 Speaker 1: if if they're highly paid career women, then you've got 1017 01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,640 Speaker 1: you've got a team of experts to help with your kids. 1018 01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,320 Speaker 1: But a lot of people don't so you know, and 1019 01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to be on the ground. I wanted to 1020 01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,480 Speaker 1: be I didn't want to miss it either. So we 1021 01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:59,280 Speaker 1: were doing a lot of tours where they would come out. 1022 01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,479 Speaker 1: We'd have the diaper pail on the tour of us 1023 01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,800 Speaker 1: and we you don't have the babies, the football sized 1024 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:10,680 Speaker 1: kids out with us. And then we'd have when they 1025 01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,840 Speaker 1: got bigger and they had to start school, then we'd 1026 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,640 Speaker 1: have them come out for breaks and UM, have a 1027 01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,800 Speaker 1: nanny come with them and somebody to watch them when 1028 01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,880 Speaker 1: we were on the stage, feed him, get him to 1029 01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,880 Speaker 1: bed when we were before the show is over. So 1030 01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,960 Speaker 1: we've worked on it from every angle as much as 1031 01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,040 Speaker 1: we could work on it that way, and being able 1032 01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,200 Speaker 1: to see your kids and have your job at the 1033 01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,840 Speaker 1: same time, but it's hard when your job is traveling. 1034 01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:43,000 Speaker 1: You know, your kids are not you know, they're not 1035 01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:49,320 Speaker 1: vag born vagabonds like like me. You know, the military 1036 01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:53,720 Speaker 1: to our life. That's how we started. So it's interesting. 1037 01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:57,200 Speaker 1: So do you have any regrets that you didn't spend 1038 01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,520 Speaker 1: enough time with your kids or we didn't give them enough. 1039 01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:05,080 Speaker 1: I've I've pulled, I've been pulled apart a lot about it. 1040 01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:09,200 Speaker 1: UM feeling like I was going to miss a lot, 1041 01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:14,560 Speaker 1: and I missed some of it. And but you know, 1042 01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:19,040 Speaker 1: I do music, so that's my job. So that's I 1043 01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:24,800 Speaker 1: think that's the that's the sacrifice. Um. The most important 1044 01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,760 Speaker 1: part of the time together, though, is the quality of 1045 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,520 Speaker 1: the time together. Sounds very you know, died in the 1046 01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,560 Speaker 1: world tried and true, but it is true that if 1047 01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:38,919 Speaker 1: you're present and you're really there, you're not just oh, 1048 01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:44,000 Speaker 1: I've just gotta you know, sort of be the token 1049 01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,360 Speaker 1: parent in the house. You know, it's like, no, you're 1050 01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,840 Speaker 1: gonna get You're gonna climb into the cardboard box with them, 1051 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,440 Speaker 1: and you're gonna show them how to cook, and you're 1052 01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,640 Speaker 1: gonna watch the movies and read the books out loud 1053 01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,920 Speaker 1: at night, help them fall asleep and all of it. 1054 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,080 Speaker 1: And if this point in time, it's kind of a 1055 01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,560 Speaker 1: difficult question in terms of to put yourself in these shoes. 1056 01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,240 Speaker 1: Do you feel that if you hadn't had children you 1057 01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:14,800 Speaker 1: would be is fulfilled? I always really wanted to have children, Um, 1058 01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:19,120 Speaker 1: and I'm a natural nurturing type person. So you know, 1059 01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,000 Speaker 1: I've always had dogs and I've just always been that person. 1060 01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:25,160 Speaker 1: Our mom was like that ends much more like our 1061 01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,519 Speaker 1: dad you know, so she's more kind of the aloof one. 1062 01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,640 Speaker 1: I'm more the hands on mommy type person. Okay, but 1063 01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,240 Speaker 1: you didn't have your kids until relatively late, so it 1064 01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,200 Speaker 1: was in the back of your mind all these years 1065 01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,439 Speaker 1: on the road. Wow, while my kids, am I going 1066 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,599 Speaker 1: to have them? Not have them? Yeah? I always planned 1067 01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,559 Speaker 1: on having them, and I figured, you know, well, when 1068 01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:49,080 Speaker 1: the time is right, and then the next big wave 1069 01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,599 Speaker 1: would happen, you know, like you fight for the wave 1070 01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,040 Speaker 1: to happen, and then the wave comes and then you 1071 01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:58,080 Speaker 1: have to, you know, work for the wave and the 1072 01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:02,280 Speaker 1: wave carries you. So um, the timing was difficult, and 1073 01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:05,360 Speaker 1: I never felt that it would ever be if I 1074 01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:10,320 Speaker 1: don't make it happen and stop myself from continuing on 1075 01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,840 Speaker 1: the never ending cycle, that it would ever happen. So 1076 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,840 Speaker 1: I stopped on purpose and just for that thing. And 1077 01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,439 Speaker 1: so people I don't have children, but people say, you know, 1078 01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,200 Speaker 1: once the kids are born, you know, it changes your 1079 01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,800 Speaker 1: life and it's the most important thing. Most people don't 1080 01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,360 Speaker 1: have the level of success in their career as you've had. Now. 1081 01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,639 Speaker 1: I don't want to do a direct comparison between career 1082 01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:36,720 Speaker 1: success and children, but what's it like from your perspective, Well, 1083 01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:40,599 Speaker 1: I think career success. We've lived our lifetime at least 1084 01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:45,040 Speaker 1: three or four times as as careerists. You know. Um, 1085 01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,000 Speaker 1: we're lucky if we we can still get arrested. I'm 1086 01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:52,280 Speaker 1: sure if heart goes out again, um, which remains to 1087 01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:57,439 Speaker 1: be seen. But uh, I think having the kids, the 1088 01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:03,680 Speaker 1: fulfillment of being a parent, and just the raw and 1089 01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:08,680 Speaker 1: insane pain of being a parent, and the responsibility and 1090 01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:12,000 Speaker 1: fear of being a parent, and fearing for the life 1091 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:16,160 Speaker 1: of your child and the safety and all of the 1092 01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:21,960 Speaker 1: you know, all of the exasperating elements of parenting it. 1093 01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:27,880 Speaker 1: It also injects you with a a deeper sense of humanity, 1094 01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:33,080 Speaker 1: which then translates into the work. So I feel like 1095 01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,479 Speaker 1: the songs I've been writing now are way more kind 1096 01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:40,639 Speaker 1: of generated from a deeper place, not just a place 1097 01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get some dudes you know, or you know, 1098 01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:47,000 Speaker 1: but or just be you know, on a rock stage 1099 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:54,320 Speaker 1: where people dig me. But it's a human thing. This 1100 01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,040 Speaker 1: is Bob left Step. So I'm a writer and you 1101 01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,439 Speaker 1: could read my stuff at left steps dot com. I'd 1102 01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:00,800 Speaker 1: like to invite you to attend my mu Sick Media Summit. 1103 01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:04,000 Speaker 1: Santa Barbara the last weekend enabled I'd love for you 1104 01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,080 Speaker 1: to come and learn from the best in the business, 1105 01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,960 Speaker 1: like Troy Carter of Spotify. If you're interested, go to 1106 01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,840 Speaker 1: Music Media Summit dot com to sign up. And now 1107 01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:16,040 Speaker 1: let's dive right back in with my guest Nancy Wilson. 1108 01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,439 Speaker 1: You reform the band in two thousand two, you go 1109 01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:24,120 Speaker 1: on the Summer of Love tour. Is there any idea 1110 01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,880 Speaker 1: of where you are in the marketplace? Do you think 1111 01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,880 Speaker 1: you can have hits again? Do you don't think you're 1112 01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:33,920 Speaker 1: gonna have hits again? What's the mind thought through there? Well, Um, 1113 01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,920 Speaker 1: we were out working the We were just ready to 1114 01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:41,679 Speaker 1: get out and work the real estate again and still 1115 01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:46,600 Speaker 1: tickets play heart songs that people know. Um, you know, 1116 01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:51,000 Speaker 1: we weren't really trying to write new stuff. We were 1117 01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,000 Speaker 1: just trying to get back on some kind of a 1118 01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:58,400 Speaker 1: track with me back in the band. And um, we 1119 01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:02,200 Speaker 1: played every single place with Electricity. You know, we went 1120 01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:06,920 Speaker 1: for the next like however many years till the last 1121 01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:10,320 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, we've been out playing every place 1122 01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,920 Speaker 1: with Electricity. You play essentially every summer, every summer mainly 1123 01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:16,360 Speaker 1: and the ship times, in the in the falls, and 1124 01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:21,400 Speaker 1: sometimes in the winter. How many A couple of hundred times. 1125 01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,800 Speaker 1: That's a lot of work. There's no there's nary a 1126 01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:30,639 Speaker 1: comfort zone to be had, like eighty two hundred sometimes two? Okay, 1127 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:34,519 Speaker 1: who's the manager now? Um? Right now we're between Okay, 1128 01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:40,080 Speaker 1: who was the manager before? Carol Peters? Okay, so you're out. 1129 01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,479 Speaker 1: How do you feel playing the same I'm a writer. 1130 01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,720 Speaker 1: One of the bad things I have is I'll write 1131 01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:47,800 Speaker 1: something great, so that's it. I can't write it again, 1132 01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,559 Speaker 1: you know whatever. Whereas a musician can play the same 1133 01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,439 Speaker 1: song to eternity. But what's up like being on stage 1134 01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:57,160 Speaker 1: playing Crazy on You? You know, forty years later? Well, 1135 01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:01,000 Speaker 1: it's a it's really a testament to songs like Crazy 1136 01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:05,840 Speaker 1: on You and Barracuda that they're still fun to play. Um, 1137 01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,960 Speaker 1: and you see people react to it. Um, you know, 1138 01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,800 Speaker 1: I don't think Anne feels the same way. How do 1139 01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,840 Speaker 1: you think she feels? I think she feels more like, um, 1140 01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,600 Speaker 1: you know, I've done this enough and I want to 1141 01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:24,000 Speaker 1: do something really different and fun and for herself. But 1142 01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,519 Speaker 1: I still get a big drill out of like doing 1143 01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,439 Speaker 1: the kick when Crazy on You start and seeing people 1144 01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:35,040 Speaker 1: go nuts, and it's just like it's a high and 1145 01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,479 Speaker 1: songs like Barracuda and I have new band, now to 1146 01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:42,320 Speaker 1: a new band. Um, we're gonna get to that. But 1147 01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:44,840 Speaker 1: let's say, okay, so you do this. You go out 1148 01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,200 Speaker 1: every summer. Let's say you play and you're off stage 1149 01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:53,800 Speaker 1: eleven pm. Okay, when do you fall asleep? But too 1150 01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,760 Speaker 1: probably around two. And this is in a bus. In 1151 01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:00,720 Speaker 1: a bus to wind down, it takes a while to 1152 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,240 Speaker 1: wind down, and you normally you want to have like 1153 01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,160 Speaker 1: something to eat, you know, because you couldn't eat before 1154 01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:09,559 Speaker 1: the show. You were nervous, So you have to have 1155 01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,800 Speaker 1: something sensible to eat that's not pizza. So you have 1156 01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,360 Speaker 1: to try to make something on the bus before the 1157 01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,439 Speaker 1: bus pulls away, so you're not jostling around trying to 1158 01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,960 Speaker 1: cook anything. So I got pretty good at cooking in 1159 01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:26,759 Speaker 1: the kitchenette on the bus the galley. Um. And then 1160 01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:29,640 Speaker 1: you kind of want to recap the night with the 1161 01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:34,040 Speaker 1: band members um or or try to watch a movie 1162 01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:39,120 Speaker 1: and just kind of, you know, unspool the energy. And 1163 01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:42,800 Speaker 1: because you know, once you go back into your bunk, 1164 01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,280 Speaker 1: it's just like you're in a little you're you're kind 1165 01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:49,400 Speaker 1: of stuck by yourself. Yeah right, I mean, some you 1166 01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,240 Speaker 1: can watch stuff in there too on your on your laptop, 1167 01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,639 Speaker 1: but it's jostling around and you can't really sleep very 1168 01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:59,120 Speaker 1: well anyway, so you know, and then you if if 1169 01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:02,400 Speaker 1: you're lucky, you can sleep, you can wake up at 1170 01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:07,200 Speaker 1: the gig the next gig and sleep in until sound 1171 01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,639 Speaker 1: check starts, and then you get up and do your 1172 01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:14,599 Speaker 1: sound check and do your hair and makeup and go play. 1173 01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:19,640 Speaker 1: But it's um, it's you know, and the hotels are 1174 01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,320 Speaker 1: not so much to brag about usually because you're trying 1175 01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:27,120 Speaker 1: to save money and so it's it's really kind of 1176 01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,360 Speaker 1: the best part of any rock and roll tour day 1177 01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:37,360 Speaker 1: is the two hours on stage. It's just that, you know, 1178 01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:42,280 Speaker 1: transcendent thing, and it's the thrill of people coming and 1179 01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:46,800 Speaker 1: shin sharing with you, you know, and the songs themselves 1180 01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:53,400 Speaker 1: are the the honey that draws draws the b and 1181 01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,599 Speaker 1: So let's assume you went on the road for three 1182 01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,080 Speaker 1: months and you come home. How long does it take 1183 01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:05,519 Speaker 1: to recover from that, um, well, it takes about it 1184 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:10,240 Speaker 1: takes about three or four days or a week. Um too. 1185 01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,920 Speaker 1: Kind of the momentum that you're so used to, the 1186 01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:17,080 Speaker 1: momentum of always going and going and going and getting 1187 01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:24,120 Speaker 1: there doing that and going some more and never really stopping. Um, 1188 01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:27,320 Speaker 1: you're kind of like, wait a minute, I'm sitting here, 1189 01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:31,000 Speaker 1: you know, I'm looking at a piece of dust in 1190 01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:34,040 Speaker 1: the in the air. You know. It's sort of like 1191 01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,799 Speaker 1: that moment where you're like, Wow, should I meditate or something? 1192 01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:43,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a real it's a it's really 1193 01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:48,400 Speaker 1: jarring when you stop. Yeah. So I mean this is 1194 01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,920 Speaker 1: public information. But on the last part tour, the public 1195 01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,840 Speaker 1: story was there was an altercation between Hand's husband and 1196 01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:59,920 Speaker 1: your children. Where does that leave the relationships now? Well, 1197 01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, right now, sadly, it's hasn't left it in 1198 01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:07,680 Speaker 1: a good place at all. Um. You know, I know 1199 01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:12,120 Speaker 1: Anna and I will always adore each other, and UM, 1200 01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:18,520 Speaker 1: I Wanna, you know, always attested loving each other. But 1201 01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:23,920 Speaker 1: that was just kind of a weird UM. I think 1202 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,680 Speaker 1: it was kind of a power move, um and a 1203 01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,400 Speaker 1: control thing. In addition to the rub be bad behavior, 1204 01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:35,560 Speaker 1: there was that subtext Yeah that's what I believe and um, 1205 01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,439 Speaker 1: and it's been sort of that way ever since. And 1206 01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:42,680 Speaker 1: I understand her desire to get out there and not 1207 01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,040 Speaker 1: do the same thing, you know, and not be holed 1208 01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:51,920 Speaker 1: into the the heart machine, you know, Um, But I 1209 01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:56,479 Speaker 1: think the sad part. I mean, I respect her wishes 1210 01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,040 Speaker 1: to go out and try new stuff, which I think 1211 01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:03,000 Speaker 1: is great for her and healthy for her, um, But 1212 01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,920 Speaker 1: for me, for the fans, I think it's a sad 1213 01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:11,680 Speaker 1: thing because we still have it in us too to 1214 01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,800 Speaker 1: take it around. You know. So are you again in 1215 01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:19,120 Speaker 1: communication with Ann? Not really. I kind of put it 1216 01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:21,160 Speaker 1: out there but a few times and it's just not 1217 01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:25,559 Speaker 1: coming back. You know. From an outside observer, it would 1218 01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:28,519 Speaker 1: seem that it was her husband who was accused of 1219 01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,240 Speaker 1: bad behavior, so we think that she would be the 1220 01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:34,639 Speaker 1: one who wanted to be apologetic. Well, I think she's, Um, 1221 01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:40,640 Speaker 1: she wants to apologize for him right and protect him. 1222 01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:46,320 Speaker 1: It's her first real relationship since the very beginning, so 1223 01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:50,519 Speaker 1: you know, she's I think she's protecting her new found 1224 01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:54,720 Speaker 1: relationship and that's more important to her right now than 1225 01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:59,519 Speaker 1: any event. You're a menable to getting the sinews, you know, 1226 01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:03,160 Speaker 1: building again the first on a personal level, So it's 1227 01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,040 Speaker 1: more on her end that she's rel I think she's 1228 01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,000 Speaker 1: reluctant and she's going to have to figure it out 1229 01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:12,719 Speaker 1: for a while and maybe be ready maybe not. Well eventually, 1230 01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:14,519 Speaker 1: you know, I hate to be so you know, bottom 1231 01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,479 Speaker 1: line about this. Eventually, the money makes everybody ready, even 1232 01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:19,040 Speaker 1: the Eagles, you know, the Eagle said they were going 1233 01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,320 Speaker 1: to reform. Glynn Fry died and they're out on the 1234 01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:24,320 Speaker 1: road right now. And that was even after the hell 1235 01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:29,360 Speaker 1: froze over one exactly is better than ever. You would 1236 01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:34,040 Speaker 1: like to tell you everybody. Everybody's farewell thing now it's 1237 01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:38,000 Speaker 1: it's so great, like Elton John's very well Yellow Brick 1238 01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:42,120 Speaker 1: Road tour. It's like three shows love last three years 1239 01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:45,519 Speaker 1: or something that's like, you know, George Straight retired from touring, well, 1240 01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:49,360 Speaker 1: I retired from touring, not live performing. Saw play in Vegas, 1241 01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:54,040 Speaker 1: So I'll set up a yeah, Vegas residency or something. 1242 01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:56,040 Speaker 1: My favorite I'm talking a little lot of school. As 1243 01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,519 Speaker 1: a friend of mine's the agent for the Scorpions. He said, 1244 01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,880 Speaker 1: you want to go to the Forum tonight if I 1245 01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,439 Speaker 1: know those guys a little bit whatever anyway, and he says, 1246 01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:06,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's a farewell. Says yeah, the new album's 1247 01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:10,320 Speaker 1: coming in October. It's like, wait a minute, I thought 1248 01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:13,360 Speaker 1: it was a farewell until the new album comes out. 1249 01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:15,519 Speaker 1: So but in any of them, how many times did 1250 01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:19,080 Speaker 1: the Stones do that right, although at this point in time, 1251 01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,639 Speaker 1: I think people are literally going to the Stones because 1252 01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,759 Speaker 1: they think it may be the last time. The irony 1253 01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:27,200 Speaker 1: being I've seen the Stones a zillion times, and they 1254 01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:29,000 Speaker 1: were kind of like the Grateful Dead. They played for 1255 01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,800 Speaker 1: an hour and a half. Half hour be terrible, half 1256 01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,360 Speaker 1: hour would be mediocre, and an half hour be locked 1257 01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:39,679 Speaker 1: right on. But I saw them. You know, your Mick 1258 01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,920 Speaker 1: was the only week link was Keith ironically occasionally hit 1259 01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:44,960 Speaker 1: a bad note. Mick was as good as ever. It 1260 01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:47,920 Speaker 1: was kind of a stone. He's yeah, he's in. He's 1261 01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:52,519 Speaker 1: the energizer. Bunny father was a gym teacher. He's taking 1262 01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,880 Speaker 1: off on that. So in any event, you have a 1263 01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:58,000 Speaker 1: new band. Was that something you always wanted to do? 1264 01:20:58,120 --> 01:20:59,800 Speaker 1: Or is that as a result of the discord in 1265 01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:04,960 Speaker 1: the camp? Well, it was something that that sort of 1266 01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,840 Speaker 1: fell together for both of those things, for the reason 1267 01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,160 Speaker 1: of the discord in the camp, but also for the 1268 01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:15,200 Speaker 1: reason of having run into and um met up with 1269 01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:20,080 Speaker 1: Liz live Warfield, who from Prince's New Power Generation, who 1270 01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,639 Speaker 1: opened for us at the Hollywood Bowl a couple of nights, 1271 01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:26,519 Speaker 1: and you maintained a relationship with her. Yeah, we we 1272 01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:31,320 Speaker 1: hit it off. Her guitar player Ryan waters Um was 1273 01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:34,000 Speaker 1: with her and we all started talking about we should 1274 01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,479 Speaker 1: just do something. She goes, I wanted rod want to 1275 01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:40,240 Speaker 1: be relegated in the soul categories quite as much, and 1276 01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:43,160 Speaker 1: you know the funk sohul thing. I want to rock. 1277 01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:46,760 Speaker 1: You guys rock like we. I should send you some 1278 01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,000 Speaker 1: of my ideas. And it's like, said, m let's do it. 1279 01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:52,599 Speaker 1: Let's be people that that actually do it, not just 1280 01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:56,880 Speaker 1: talk about doing it. And we started doing it. And 1281 01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:03,759 Speaker 1: then after the heart thing went went sideways, UM started 1282 01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:07,640 Speaker 1: before Yeah, we started talking about just something fun to 1283 01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:13,280 Speaker 1: do UM And you know, my husband Jeff said, after 1284 01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:15,960 Speaker 1: the heart thing kind of went sideways, he said, we 1285 01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,679 Speaker 1: should do this now right away. Let's get a rehearsal place. 1286 01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,000 Speaker 1: Let's bring those guys in, fly them in from Seattle 1287 01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:28,120 Speaker 1: and in Chicago and have a band meeting and figure 1288 01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:31,519 Speaker 1: out what we're doing and do it recorded and we did, 1289 01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,519 Speaker 1: and we made an album and it's it's a really 1290 01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:37,640 Speaker 1: good one. Now you're going out on tour opening for 1291 01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:41,479 Speaker 1: see Yeah. We started the tour with opening for Seegar 1292 01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:46,040 Speaker 1: Well a few months ago and we uh, we had 1293 01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:51,320 Speaker 1: to postpone it. Well, it was offered to heartidentally and 1294 01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:53,280 Speaker 1: um and just said no, I don't want to do 1295 01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:57,160 Speaker 1: the same thing in anymore. And I said, well, so 1296 01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,639 Speaker 1: we talked abo above Seeger's people and said, what about 1297 01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:04,679 Speaker 1: my new band road Case Royal, and uh, it's actually 1298 01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:09,400 Speaker 1: called Nancy Wilson of Heart with roatcase roil has to 1299 01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,840 Speaker 1: be Yeah, but um, that's cool though, and they said no, 1300 01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:16,320 Speaker 1: we just really need to sell tickets, but send us 1301 01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,800 Speaker 1: your stuff anyway. They when they checked out our our 1302 01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:23,600 Speaker 1: album and our videos, they said, wait a sec. We 1303 01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:26,519 Speaker 1: wanted we want you to come and do this, you know, 1304 01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,320 Speaker 1: for next to nothing, which Heart was going to get 1305 01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,280 Speaker 1: a lot to do, but but for next to nothing. 1306 01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:35,320 Speaker 1: It was our our chance to get big exposure and 1307 01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,960 Speaker 1: start with that. So we did about seven shows with Seeger, 1308 01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,200 Speaker 1: but then he got his injury into one of his 1309 01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:46,360 Speaker 1: neck vertebrae and I had to postpone everything. So it's 1310 01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,559 Speaker 1: not canceled. We're going back out like in the fall 1311 01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:57,519 Speaker 1: after Labor Day. How many probably at least eight and 1312 01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:02,360 Speaker 1: it's all like the tour before was going to be sixty. Um, 1313 01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:06,000 Speaker 1: is your book for all of those Well, we don't 1314 01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,559 Speaker 1: have the dates yet, but I mean but the committee 1315 01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,680 Speaker 1: is the commitment is for everything that they can get us, 1316 01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:16,240 Speaker 1: and it's all Arenas. The last leg we were going 1317 01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:20,280 Speaker 1: to do was completely sold out Arenas. I'm sure it's 1318 01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:23,679 Speaker 1: set will sell out Arenas. He's so good, right, So 1319 01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,360 Speaker 1: when you go out with your new band, to what 1320 01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:30,360 Speaker 1: degree do you play heart songs? We play um like, 1321 01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:34,400 Speaker 1: we play crazy on you to finish up the set, 1322 01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:36,840 Speaker 1: and I seeing even it up to start the set, 1323 01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:39,920 Speaker 1: and then we do these dreams, a new version of 1324 01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:46,280 Speaker 1: these dreams um and straight on that other than crazy 1325 01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,720 Speaker 1: an magic man. Straight on is my favorite Heart that's 1326 01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,840 Speaker 1: a good one, and we do a cool version. It's 1327 01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,919 Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, we switched it up. Yeah, 1328 01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:57,160 Speaker 1: And so what's reception like? It's been amazing, I think 1329 01:24:57,200 --> 01:25:04,640 Speaker 1: because of the stricter security rules nowadays for for you know, 1330 01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:08,680 Speaker 1: people coming into the shows, they opened the doors earlier, 1331 01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:12,240 Speaker 1: and so by the time we started the show, our 1332 01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:16,280 Speaker 1: forty five minutes set, everybody was mostly in the building. 1333 01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:18,880 Speaker 1: They were getting their beers and their shirts or whatever, 1334 01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,960 Speaker 1: and they started hearing a Heart song and they all 1335 01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,639 Speaker 1: came down. So by the end of our forty five 1336 01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:28,360 Speaker 1: minutes set, the whole place was full and they were 1337 01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,960 Speaker 1: standing up for crazy on you. So it was like, Wow, 1338 01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,080 Speaker 1: that was good. I can't wait to get back out there. Okay, 1339 01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,400 Speaker 1: So we live in a world where all the money 1340 01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:40,080 Speaker 1: is on the road and it's a road driven business. 1341 01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:42,559 Speaker 1: But with your new act, are you doing any of 1342 01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:47,360 Speaker 1: the traditional things I e. Radio, etcetera. Yeah, we went 1343 01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:50,800 Speaker 1: to a record store and we played an acoustic set 1344 01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:55,160 Speaker 1: and went to some radio stations and UM interviewed and 1345 01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:57,800 Speaker 1: did some acoustic stuff and you know, we just we 1346 01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:01,720 Speaker 1: try to um you know, plant the seas wherever we 1347 01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,080 Speaker 1: are in the towns, just to get our word out there. 1348 01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:08,360 Speaker 1: It's just like starting over. Is that depressing or exciting? 1349 01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,800 Speaker 1: It's very exciting. Um. These these people in my band 1350 01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:16,760 Speaker 1: are just I love them, and we have a thing 1351 01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:22,040 Speaker 1: that's just so tied and everybody's experienced. Everybody knows, like 1352 01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:25,800 Speaker 1: I said earlier about the language of musicians. You know, 1353 01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:30,000 Speaker 1: every we all have the same not only the language, 1354 01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:34,840 Speaker 1: but the dialect and the accent everything. And we were 1355 01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:40,040 Speaker 1: already you know, each other's besties. And it's so fun 1356 01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:43,720 Speaker 1: to play with those guys. Talking about new music, I 1357 01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,360 Speaker 1: mean just music in general, not your new music. I'll 1358 01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:48,519 Speaker 1: leave this person. I'm a very famous guitarist. I was 1359 01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:50,880 Speaker 1: talking to him, legendary person, and I asked him about 1360 01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:52,880 Speaker 1: new music, and he said, how would I know? I'm 1361 01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:56,759 Speaker 1: sixty two. So the question, although you have relatively young children, 1362 01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:00,200 Speaker 1: do you keep up with new music? Yeah, I to 1363 01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:04,240 Speaker 1: listen to St. Vincent and kind of college station stuff, 1364 01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,200 Speaker 1: you know, the good song writers that are coming out now. 1365 01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,240 Speaker 1: But you have younger children, what are they listening to. 1366 01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:14,679 Speaker 1: They're listening to classic rock real interestingly. No hip hop, No, 1367 01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,400 Speaker 1: they don't. They don't go for that. Um. They're eighteen 1368 01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:20,479 Speaker 1: two twin boys and one of them just took up 1369 01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:24,280 Speaker 1: on his own without by prompting him, took up guitar recently, 1370 01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:28,879 Speaker 1: and he's getting good. He's taking some lessons. He's listening 1371 01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:34,639 Speaker 1: to Credence, He's listening to you know Zeppelin. Um, oh, 1372 01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:39,360 Speaker 1: it's the band that sounds like Zeppelin. Now, great band. 1373 01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:46,400 Speaker 1: And you know just all that stuff. I mean, uh 1374 01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:52,320 Speaker 1: zz Top and Pig Floyd and just you know everything 1375 01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:56,320 Speaker 1: that we would find yummy. And if we're in your houses, 1376 01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:59,479 Speaker 1: there music playing in your house. Yeah, I usually have 1377 01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,920 Speaker 1: a like a Pandora thing going on. Um. I try 1378 01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:06,320 Speaker 1: to mix it up. But I do um like the 1379 01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:10,120 Speaker 1: Jim James kind of station, and you know, my Morning 1380 01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:14,080 Speaker 1: Jackets type station. And then I do actually a classical 1381 01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:20,040 Speaker 1: station for Sunday afternoons, Sunday brunch. I mean, our family 1382 01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,840 Speaker 1: we used to listen to opera on Sundays with pancakes 1383 01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,320 Speaker 1: and bacon and all that stuff. Could you talk or 1384 01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:27,560 Speaker 1: did you have to listen? No? We we talked to me, 1385 01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,320 Speaker 1: sang along. We learned an really know all the opera. 1386 01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:33,479 Speaker 1: We do some of it. Yeah, we used this listen 1387 01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:36,519 Speaker 1: to the Makado and some of the same ones. You know, 1388 01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:38,160 Speaker 1: that's a big thing for my mother because you know, 1389 01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:41,920 Speaker 1: they broadcast the Metropolitan Opera in the theaters. She'll go, 1390 01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, on Saturdays. But growing up close to New 1391 01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:46,559 Speaker 1: York in school, we would go to the opera, which 1392 01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,680 Speaker 1: was always a cool experience. It was cool even if 1393 01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,600 Speaker 1: even if it was really boring, right, yeah, exactly what 1394 01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:56,800 Speaker 1: was really what? It was cool? Exactly? It was still cool. Said, 1395 01:28:57,080 --> 01:29:00,200 Speaker 1: having been a woman who's been very success one in 1396 01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:03,320 Speaker 1: the music business, what advice would you give to women 1397 01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:07,000 Speaker 1: starting out today? Well, here's my stock answer. I'd turned 1398 01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:12,760 Speaker 1: back if I were you. The music. The first thing 1399 01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,800 Speaker 1: get out, get out of there quick, run like hell 1400 01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:21,600 Speaker 1: in the opposite direction. Now, I'd say, um, get proficient, 1401 01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:25,080 Speaker 1: be good. If you really want to do it, be 1402 01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:30,840 Speaker 1: ready to suffer for it. You know. Fail sound like 1403 01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:33,800 Speaker 1: you had a lot of failure. Well, there's been a 1404 01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,680 Speaker 1: lot of hits and mrs. But when you think of 1405 01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:40,840 Speaker 1: the arc of the entire career since seventy six, basically, 1406 01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:45,040 Speaker 1: you know that's a long career. But your first album 1407 01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:47,960 Speaker 1: was very successful. In an addition, something you could be 1408 01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,040 Speaker 1: proud of. You put out and you go, oh, man, 1409 01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:51,360 Speaker 1: yeah I was a hip but I didn't really want 1410 01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:53,720 Speaker 1: so proud of that one. Yeah, I mean, but the 1411 01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:56,559 Speaker 1: fact it was hit almost immediately came out of nowhere. 1412 01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:00,559 Speaker 1: I know. It was really like a fu in a 1413 01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:04,200 Speaker 1: certain way because it was like an indie thing exactly. 1414 01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:07,200 Speaker 1: People people are too young now, they said an indie 1415 01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:10,599 Speaker 1: record in the seventies just didn't happen, and every major 1416 01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,280 Speaker 1: was like just a big no way, no way, Jose, 1417 01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,880 Speaker 1: But they don't really know. I mean John Cougar, Mellencamp 1418 01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,320 Speaker 1: or whatever he's calling himself this week. You know, he 1419 01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:21,479 Speaker 1: had with his breakthrough album they didn't want to put out, 1420 01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,280 Speaker 1: which was American fool. Right right right, he said, no, 1421 01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:26,280 Speaker 1: you gotta put it on. I don't care. The label 1422 01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:28,360 Speaker 1: really doesn't know. Having said that, I've dealt with a 1423 01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:30,400 Speaker 1: lot of musicians who don't know what a hit single 1424 01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:33,120 Speaker 1: is either. But right right. But the woman, well, the 1425 01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:35,800 Speaker 1: en in suits, you know, the joke was always that 1426 01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:39,040 Speaker 1: they just got their ears painted on. You know, the 1427 01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:46,400 Speaker 1: men in the suits in those office it had their ears. 1428 01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:50,920 Speaker 1: They just have their ears painted on. They don't have ears, right, 1429 01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:53,320 Speaker 1: I think you know, it's always funny to learn something. Listen, 1430 01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:55,840 Speaker 1: this has been wonderful. Thanks so much for coming giving 1431 01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,280 Speaker 1: us perspective. So glad you had me here. Thank you. 1432 01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:02,240 Speaker 1: It was great. That's Nancy Wilson of Heart and her 1433 01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:05,519 Speaker 1: new band Build with her name and also with The 1434 01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:10,000 Speaker 1: road Case, and that's all available on Spotify now right, yeah, exactly, 1435 01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:12,200 Speaker 1: sure is the road Case right now? Until next time, 1436 01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:19,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. That wraps up another episode of 1437 01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:21,559 Speaker 1: the Bob Left Sets podcast. I know there are a 1438 01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:23,639 Speaker 1: ton of podcasts out there, so thank you so much 1439 01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:27,360 Speaker 1: for joining me for this conversation with the great Nancy Wilson. 1440 01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:30,040 Speaker 1: Until next time, It's Bob Left Sets