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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: Tons to talk about, including we're hoping to be joined

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Speaker 1: by Ann Speckard in just a bit to talk about

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Speaker 1: this follow up on an article I talked about on

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Speaker 1: Friday about the incredible and really chilling rise in violent

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Speaker 1: threats against public officials across party lines. By the way,

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Speaker 1: there's not one side or the other that is in

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Speaker 2: So we again into that in just a bit.

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Speaker 1: But of course, the big story here locally is and

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Speaker 1: has been, the seven hundred million dollar man, with Shohei

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Speaker 1: read for Dodger Blue. And later on we'll talk with

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Speaker 2: He's gonna get into the weeds on that.

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Speaker 1: And the president of Penn is out, and Alex Jones

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Speaker 1: very complicated, and we're going to dig into that as well.

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Speaker 2: But I want to circle back. As I mentioned on Friday,

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Speaker 1: Just absorbed by this big CNN article on the level

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Speaker 1: And it's a pleasure to welcome the show, Ann Speckhard,

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Speaker 1: So first as I understand it, and this is I've

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Speaker 1: It's a great deal for baseball because the Dodgers are

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Speaker 1: the Yankees, the Giants, probably the Mets. It's some level

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Speaker 1: might have made a phone call it to it. I

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Speaker 1: don't think they took it very seriously. The Mariner's beginning

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of that's why you know the whole

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Speaker 1: thing about Oh boy, Dave. Dave Roberts really put his

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Speaker 1: foot in it because he said that the Dodgers met

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Speaker 1: with Otani and this could.

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Speaker 2: This could scotch the deal. No, I was going to

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Speaker 2: be so mad if that was the case.

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Speaker 1: Who's gonna walk away from seven hundred million dollars because

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Speaker 1: Daily said something that's so First of all, it was true,

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Speaker 1: and it was obvious.

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Speaker 2: It's the obvious place for him to go.

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Speaker 1: Now, with all of this said, and we'll get into

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Speaker 1: the nuts and bolts of what it means and what's left.

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Speaker 1: Is it enough meat left on the bones to get pitching,

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Speaker 1: which the Dodgers do need, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: We'll do that with Vesse. But let me just take

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Speaker 2: a moment to just handle Kleenex.

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Speaker 1: I got a whole box of Kleenex right here, and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna grab one, not only to mop up the

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Speaker 1: diet coke I just spilled on the table, but to

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Speaker 1: offer this Kleenex to Angel fans. I mean, seriously, how

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Speaker 1: how cursed do you feel today? You have Mike Trout,

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Speaker 1: you had Shohey Otani and you couldn't make the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: and you've got this owner's gonna sell the team, not

467
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Speaker 1: gonna sell the team, goes all in last year and

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Speaker 1: then ends up selling off half the players because after

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Speaker 1: two weeks I realize that we're not going to make

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, and now you lose one of the most

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Speaker 1: dynamic sports figures that any sport has ever seen. Uh So,

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Speaker 1: my condolences, And again this is where I feel like

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Speaker 1: I can sincerely wish condolence as I shoulder to cry

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Speaker 1: on for Angel fans because as a Met fan, I

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Speaker 1: had to share a city with the Yankees. All Right,

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Speaker 1: you think you got it bad, Try being in the

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Speaker 1: same Red Sox fans the Yankees. Yeah, you try living

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Speaker 1: in the same city with them. Oh, the Yankees got

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Speaker 1: sign everybody. The Mets get a new tires for the

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Speaker 1: bullpen cart.

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Speaker 5: And the Mets this year, they signed a bunch of

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Speaker 5: free agents and it failed spectacularly.

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Speaker 1: They I Verlander, Inshurres, the are to like a gazillion

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Speaker 1: dollars and I don't even think.

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Speaker 4: They ended up training them at the deadline.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they got rid of both of them right, which,

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Speaker 1: by the way, was a smart thing to do because

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Speaker 1: they weren't going anywhere. They got a bunch of young

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Speaker 1: talent and maybe somebody there will will do well. But no,

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Speaker 1: some teams are cursed. There are cursed franchises. And I

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Speaker 1: know right now there's a lot of Detroit Lion fans

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Speaker 1: out there. I think this is our year. But you know,

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Speaker 1: somebody's waiting to pull the rug out from under that team.

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Speaker 4: It's already starting to happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's sad. You can see it coming. The Jets,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Brooklyn Nets, by the Clippers. There's there's

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Speaker 1: a bunch of teams that just you know they there's

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Speaker 1: something went terribly run with some bad karma attached to

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Speaker 1: the franchise from the moment from get go.

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Speaker 2: But the Angels are one of those.

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Speaker 1: They made it once they got there in two thousand

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Speaker 1: was a two thousand and four or five was it two?

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's right, four? Was I think the White Sox.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, so my condolences to the Angels. Well, we'll get

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Speaker 1: into this with David Vesse and the deferred payment are

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Speaker 1: very significant. Eric is exactly right about that, because I

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Speaker 1: think that they you know, Otani didn't just want to

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Speaker 1: go to the Dodgers. He wants to win the World

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Speaker 1: Series and he knows that if he sucks up seventy

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Speaker 1: million dollars a year for ten years, there's not going

512
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Speaker 1: to be a lot of meat left on the bones

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Speaker 1: to get anybody else. And the Dodgers desperately need starting pitching.

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Speaker 1: So apparently a lot of this money is deferred. We'll

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Speaker 1: see if David can tell us a little bit more

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Speaker 1: about that coming up in the next hour. All right,

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Speaker 1: McIntyre in for John and Ken. This is the very

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Speaker 1: last John and Ken broadcast. Tomorrow, KFI raises the curtain

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Speaker 1: on the John Coubblet Show from one to four and

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Speaker 1: obviously we will all be listening to that tomorrow and

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Speaker 1: every single day for the rest of our lives, the

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Speaker 1: way it should be. Next hour, we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: with Max Marshall, who wrote a book called Among the

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Speaker 1: bros A fraternity crime story.

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Speaker 2: And this is a whopper of a story.

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Speaker 1: If you're about to send your little darlings off to college,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to miss this, because if you think

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Speaker 1: college is a minefield with all of the behavior codes

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Speaker 1: and speech laws and woke this et cetera, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: and the tolerating calls for genocide, wait to hear the

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Speaker 1: details of this story. And of course, David Vasse, we'll

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Speaker 1: get into the whole show hey Otani story with the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers correspondent at our sister station, La Sports Am five seventy. Also,

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Speaker 1: I want to encourage you, by the way, if you're

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Speaker 1: in Woodland Hills where we were Saturday. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I got to meet a whole bunch of you, so

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming out all right now, I

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Speaker 1: don't really know where Guyana is. Apparently it's next to Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: and I kind of know where Venezuela is. There's a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of countries that I really don't know where

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Speaker 1: they are. I saw this article last week a country

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Speaker 1: called Guienna Bissau, and I didn't know where that was either.

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Speaker 2: That's in Africa.

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Speaker 1: And the reason I'm telling you about this country that

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Speaker 1: I don't know anything about is because their president said

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Speaker 1: something that is one of the greatest quotes sends Bagdad Bob,

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Speaker 1: remember him saying what what attacks and meanwhile over his

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Speaker 1: shoulder were during the first golf for him, this guy says.

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Speaker 1: The president, his name is Omaro Sioco Embalo, issued to

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Speaker 1: decree last Monday dissolving the nation's opposition controlled parliament, less

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Speaker 1: than six months after it was reconstituted following a similar

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Speaker 1: move by him in twenty twenty two, and he said

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Speaker 1: that last week's shootout between troops loyal to him and

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Speaker 1: forces controlled by the parliament, he described as a failed

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Speaker 1: Now here's what makes this great. So there, the army

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Speaker 1: is cut down the middle. Some of the troops are

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Speaker 1: loyal to him, and they get into a shootout with

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Speaker 1: troops loyal to the parliament. He just dissolved. And here's

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Speaker 1: what I love about it. He said, everything is okay.

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Speaker 1: It's going well in Bisue. Sounds like it right. The army,

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Speaker 1: the parliament's army is in a shootout at the president's

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Speaker 1: army and he says, everything's going okay.

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Speaker 2: Then what's a bad day? Like, well, here's a bad

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Speaker 2: day if you're in Guyana.

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Speaker 1: Their giant neighbor, Venezuela has Nicholas Maduro, who is the

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Speaker 1: president of Venezuela, has just decided to open up drilling,

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Speaker 1: oil drilling and exploration in Guyana without any permission from

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Speaker 1: Guyana to do so. Apparently the president of Guyana, his

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Speaker 1: name is what's his name again, His name is Ali

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Speaker 1: and he told the Associated Press that his government is

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Speaker 1: searching out allies and regional partners, some of which Guyana

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Speaker 1: has defense agreements with, to protect their oil region, which

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Speaker 1: makes up two thirds of the country.

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Speaker 2: We take this threat very seriously.

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Speaker 1: Should Venezuela proceed to act in this reckless adventure, the

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Speaker 1: region will have to respond, and apparently, President Nicholas Maduro

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Speaker 1: Venezuela said that he would immediately grant operating licenses for

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Speaker 1: exploration and exploitation in Guyana and ordered the creation of

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Speaker 1: local subsidiaries of Venezuelan's public companies, including their oil giant

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Speaker 1: PDVSA and mining conglomerate Corporation One Venezuela de Guyana. So

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Speaker 1: they're just grabbing land now, Isn't this exactly what created

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Speaker 1: a big ugly war between Russia and the Ukraine when

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Speaker 1: the Russians Putin decided that he wanted to have the

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Speaker 1: Crimean Peninsula, and then a year or so later started

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Speaker 1: to grab off the don Bass region and the other

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Speaker 1: eastern provinces of the Ukraine. And now we've got a

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Speaker 1: Zelinski is coming in to meet with Biden again to

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Speaker 1: get more billions so they can continue that war. It

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Speaker 1: is astonishing that at this late date the land grab

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Speaker 1: still goes on. Of course, land and who owns what

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Speaker 1: land and who has the historic claim and the moral

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Speaker 1: claimed land is what is animating the horrible violence that

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Speaker 1: took place on ten to seven, and the Israeli response

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Speaker 1: after those horrific murders. So you know, it gets back

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Speaker 1: to that old country in no country for old men line,

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Speaker 1: where I drink your milkshake. That's exactly what Venezuela is

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Speaker 1: trying to do. Venezuela, as you know, is an economic

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Speaker 1: catastrophe right now, which is why so many Venezuelans are

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Speaker 1: showing up at our southern border and then being waved across.

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Speaker 1: It's a mess, and I guess Maduro thinks that one

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Speaker 1: of the ways he can solve his economic problems grab

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Speaker 1: two thirds of the resources of his neighbor's neighboring country,

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Speaker 1: which is Guyana. Now the big question here is what

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Speaker 1: do we do ever since the Monroe Doctrine, remember we

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Speaker 1: kind of closed the hemisphere. We say this is our

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Speaker 1: region of interest. And that's what the Monroe Doctrine meant,

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Speaker 1: was telling the Brits and the Spanish and the other

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Speaker 1: colonial powers, don't get your mits, get your mits off

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Speaker 1: of South America because the Western hemisphere is now the

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Speaker 1: American sphere of influence. By the way, it's pretty arrogant

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Speaker 1: of us to say that we really couldn't enforce it

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Speaker 1: back in you know, eighteen twelve. But nonetheless, the bottom

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Speaker 1: line is that we seem to always get dragged into everything.

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Speaker 1: And while we're trying to figure out how to, you know,

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Speaker 1: bring some kind of stability and successful conclusion to the

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Speaker 1: Ukraine Russian War without Putent gobbling up a big portion

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Speaker 1: of his neighbor and then threatening a dition neighbors including

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Speaker 1: Poland and NATO nation, and then the Hamas Israeli situation.

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Speaker 1: Now we've got another border dispute in our hemisphere. And

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Speaker 1: what seems to be inevitable is that we end up

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Speaker 1: getting caught in the middle of these things.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that we've got the taste for another one,

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Speaker 1: but certainly what seems to be the case is Nicholas

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Speaker 1: Madoro has a taste for his neighbor's natural resources. Okay,

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Speaker 1: coming up next hour, Max Marshall will be here. He's

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Speaker 1: gonna tell us the story of the College of Charleston,

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Speaker 1: one of the most beautiful, often described as America's most

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Speaker 1: beautiful campus, but what was going on there was anything

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Speaker 1: but beautiful. So if you've got a son or a

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Speaker 1: daughter who's about to start college or in college, you

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Speaker 1: might want to listen up for this and we'll have

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Speaker 1: much more on Elon Musk's decision to return Alex Jones

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Speaker 1: to Twitter, as well as the dismissal of the president

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Speaker 1: or the resignation, I should say, but let's face it,

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Speaker 1: did she jump or was she pushed of the Claudine

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Speaker 1: Gay the president of.

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Speaker 4: Penn.

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Speaker 1: So we've got all of these things to get into

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Speaker 1: in the next hour. Right now, let's get into the

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Speaker 1: very latest headlines. And here in the KFI twenty four

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Speaker 1: hour newsroom is Deborah Mark