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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 2: that brings you the secret histories, little known fascinating facts

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Speaker 2: and figures behind your favorite TV, movies, music, and more.

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Speaker 2: And I think today, for only the second time, maybe

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Speaker 2: after the Sonic episode, we are looking at a non

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Speaker 2: movie music TV piece of pop culture, although it might

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Speaker 2: have virtually any entry in those mediums, cannon beat for

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Speaker 2: the sheer scope of its influence.

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Speaker 3: That's right, folks, In honor of the official.

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Speaker 2: Start of summer, we are talking about bikinis.

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Speaker 3: Jordan. I feel like this point of.

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Speaker 2: Those show is usually where we talk about our personal

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Speaker 2: history with bikinis, and unless there's something I really don't

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Speaker 2: know about you, we might be ad a little bit

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Speaker 2: out of our depth here. I'm trying to keep this

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Speaker 2: as little like leering and creepy as possible. I'm really

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Speaker 2: cognitive off is like the old guy at the Nude

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Speaker 2: beach here. So I will say though that the kind

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Speaker 2: of fifties sixties like beach blanket bingo era of pop

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Speaker 2: culture bikini influence is probably up your alley.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I really appreciate you adding a dose

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Speaker 1: of kitchen into this episode. I'm really excited to get

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Speaker 1: to the California myth and I'll keep my.

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Speaker 3: Mic love references to a minimum, but.

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Speaker 1: There will be Yeah, a lot, a lot of beach

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Speaker 1: boys talking this episode that I'm excited about. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're right. This is the part of the

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Speaker 1: show where we talk about our personal experience with a

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Speaker 1: given topic. But in this case, you're right. Our experience

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Speaker 1: is fairly limited, and mine's fairly limited outside of Frankie

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Speaker 1: in Anette movies. But yeah, now that it's after Memorial Day,

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Speaker 1: it's the unofficial start of summer, I thought this could

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Speaker 1: be definitely a fun tangent to go down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I'm not particularly well versed in the

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Speaker 2: history of fashion or anything, but I do remember having

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Speaker 2: that Raquel Welch in One Million Year's BC poster burned

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Speaker 2: into my skull like the hot Metal talisman gets burned

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Speaker 2: into the Nazis hand in the first Dadiana Jones first

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Speaker 2: time I.

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Speaker 1: Saw a classic, Yeah, wait, where did you see this?

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Speaker 2: I feel like Spencer's Gifts in the Capital City, in

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Speaker 2: much of my formative experience was done like timidly venturing

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Speaker 2: into the hot topic and Spencer's gifts, and just like

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Speaker 2: surreptitiously taking notes on the stuff that I saw there

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Speaker 2: that I thought was transgressive.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and this is interesting because that so many

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Speaker 2: Each of us so folks, from the weird influence of

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Speaker 2: the atomic bomb on this particular style of swimwear, to

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Speaker 2: how backyard pool culture fueled the boom, to what Emily

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Speaker 2: Post said about the bikini.

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Speaker 3: Here's everything you didn't know about bikinis.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Starting off, the bikini is not actually the first two

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Speaker 2: piece swimwear and design. Yes, while the Romans did a

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Speaker 2: great many things in the buff, including swim there are

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Speaker 2: murals that show Roman women wearing wood is basically a

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Speaker 2: they also have great, many artistic depictions of everybody being

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Speaker 2: naked in bathhouses. Nudity was much less prohibited when you

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Speaker 3: You were not.

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Speaker 1: That's a really interesting point. I hadn't thought about. What

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Speaker 1: did They have a lot of pools in major cities

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Speaker 2: You're not taking the oxen and cart and family down

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no down the shore in Rome. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's interesting that this prudishness around swimming is not part

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are paintings in mosaics dating back to

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Speaker 1: surviving Minoan paintings from sixteen hundred BC that show similar

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Speaker 3: Basically, it's really strange how that style.

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Speaker 1: It's something that you see in paintings and mosaics that

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Speaker 2: So yes, this has quite the history, but it was

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Speaker 1: It was also I think i'll result of the Black

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this starts to change in the seventeen hundreds

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Speaker 2: when it becomes considered healthy and beneficial to just kind

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Speaker 2: They didn't really have like a concept of swimming as

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's the baths in Saratoga, there's the baths in Bath, England,

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Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, you said you just sort of.

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Speaker 1: Like taking what was the expression, taking the waters? Taking

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Speaker 2: But you know, the swimwear around this time, if you

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Speaker 2: first time that there isn't an audio or a visual

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Speaker 2: like these huge shifts like moo moos, but they're made from.

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Speaker 3: Those were old.

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Speaker 1: Those were invented by quankers in like the seventeen fifties,

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Speaker 3: Oh, modesty tunnel.

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Speaker 2: the eighteen hundred. It's big century for swimmers. You see

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Speaker 2: railroads in the eighteen twenties, I believe, and other advances

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Speaker 1: How did people not drown in these?

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Speaker 3: I know? It's really wild.

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Speaker 2: Swimming in a parachute, yes, the parachute pants even it's

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Speaker 2: Annette Kellerman, and she created and successfully markets her own

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Speaker 3: Swimming bags. Yeah. Yeah, Net Kellerman is such a fascinating person.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she wore leg brace as a child when she

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Speaker 1: But like so many early films, no copies are known

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Speaker 1: The actress Dolores del Rio holds the title the first

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Speaker 2: Chorus girls also chorus girls at the time are obviously

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Speaker 2: But the whole thing is like navels, right, like you

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Speaker 2: So there's an American designer named Claire mccardal who brings

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Speaker 2: You know, we're getting the back list, we're getting the

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Speaker 2: And that's in nineteen thirty five. As I said, and Jordan,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is just something really pretty hilarious that I

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Speaker 3: In nineteen forty six, there was.

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Speaker 1: Something called the Midnight Booie and this was advertised in

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Speaker 3: I want to hear the radio ads for it where

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Speaker 2: For all your nudebathing needs.

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Speaker 1: How often has this happened to you? Oh boy, We're

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Speaker 2: A moment, Jordan wrote this header. I have to get

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Speaker 2: shout it out for him. The atomic bomb entered. The

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Speaker 2: So the important thing about all of these bikini precursors

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Speaker 2: But World War II curbs the production of fabrics across

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Speaker 1: Yes, this brings us to my favorite part of this episode,

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Speaker 1: A very noble pursuit, especially coming after I'll just talk

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Speaker 2: So your team Heim, Yeah, technically he's the originator, so yeah.

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Speaker 1: But I mean both these guys really knew the promo

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Speaker 2: It's I think it probably kind of looked like the

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Speaker 2: Still too risque for women though, does not catch on.

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Speaker 1: And Riyard was an automotive engineer who helped run his

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Speaker 3: But moving on.

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Speaker 2: They're French, they have more enlightened attitudes about this kind

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Speaker 1: So he put on his engineering hat and he designed

438
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 1: a cantilevered bral for his start aware and apparently he

439
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,439
Speaker 1: was better at designing planes than he was designing underwear,

440
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:03,360
Speaker 1: because Jane Russell described his entraption as quote uncomfortable and ridiculous.

441
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: Believe me, this man could design planes, but a mister

442
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 1: playtext he wasn't, which is an incredible SoundBite from her.

443
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: But forty spurn Yes. Anyway, back to the swimsuit arms race,

444
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 1: Rayard was inspired when he noticed sunbathers on the Saint

445
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: Tropez Beach roll up the edges of their swimsuits to achieve, you.

446
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 3: Know, a more full tan.

447
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so he basically won up at Tim by

448
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 2: making the design even skimpier basically created it was a

449
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 2: string bikini. He connected all of the essential pieces of

450
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 2: fabric with string and christened his creation the Bikini after

451
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 2: the Bikini Atoll, where the atomic bomb testing had taken

452
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 2: place just days earlier.

453
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, the term bombshell was already in the popular lexicon,

454
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 1: so Riyard hoped that his creation would shock people in

455
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: the same way that the a bomb did, which I mean,

456
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see what a marketing expert would

457
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 1: say about linking the atomic bomb and an item of

458
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: vacation apparel.

459
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 3: But uh, I mean, but.

460
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: Go with god, sex and death the two things.

461
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what American Yeah.

462
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 2: Debuting on July fifth, nineteen forty six, Rayard's design used

463
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 2: only thirty inches of fabric and exposed not just the

464
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 2: navel but much of the dairy air with the g

465
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: string style design, and consequently, he could not find a

466
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 2: model daring enough to wear it in public for the

467
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 2: big reveal, so he used a nineteen year old exotic dancer,

468
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 2: Michelle Bernardini as the very first model.

469
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 3: I love this.

470
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,239
Speaker 1: She supposedly received fifty thousand letters after modeling it at

471
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: a Parisian pool, and she's still alive. She turned ninety

472
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 1: four in December and lives in Australia, and she restaged

473
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: the famous bikini premiere photo forty years after the original

474
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Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty six, when she was fifty eight years old.

475
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 2: Hell Yes, Rayard if nothing else, had an instinct for flair.

476
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 2: He patterned one of the versions Bernardini would wear in newsprint,

477
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 2: just sort of already winking at the rush of press

478
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: coverage thing was going to get and I love how

479
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: horrible these people are to each other. He marketed his

480
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: version as smaller than the world's smallest bathing suit in

481
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: kind of a direct shot across the bow to his competitor,

482
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: and declared that for a design to be considered an

483
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 2: authentic bikini, it must be so small and had to

484
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 2: use so little fabric that it could be pulled through

485
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 2: a wedding ring, which is an indelible bit of Pte

486
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Speaker 2: Barnam esque humbug.

487
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: You know that's quite a metaphor not just any ring,

488
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Speaker 1: a wedding ring.

489
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

490
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: Bernardini was seen holding up a match box in the

491
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: first photos of her in the suit to indicate that

492
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 1: the bikini was so small that it could fit inside

493
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: of a matchbox. And as you said, discover Yard really

494
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: had a gift for showmanship, and as a promo gimmick,

495
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: he commissioned the car body specialist to turn his car

496
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: into a road yacht. They turned the whole body of

497
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: the car into this mock luxury cabin cruiser with a

498
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: ca portholes, an anchor, a signal mass and other nautical regalia. Unfortunately,

499
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 1: it wasn't, you know, an amphibious vehicle, so it couldn't

500
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,479
Speaker 1: go in water. But the car went on advertising parades

501
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: with a crew of bikini clad women, which caused a splash.

502
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: As it were, I mean, this is basically like the

503
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: what was that the Budweiser at like the Swedish bikini

504
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: team or something.

505
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: It was like that like fifty years early. Yes, needless

506
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: to say, it caused a stir. The International Herald Tribune

507
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 2: ran nine separate articles on the unveiling event alone. Spain, Italy, Australia, Portugal,

508
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 2: France all banned it for a time, and they were

509
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: prohibited in German public swimming pools until the nineteen seventies.

510
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: Wow, I love how offended Germany was by this. There

511
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: was a women's magazine in Germany called the modern girl,

512
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: and they wrote it is unthinkable that a decent girl

513
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: with tact would ever wear.

514
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 3: Such a thing.

515
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 2: And then in nineteen fifty, American swimsuit mogul Fred Cole,

516
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: the owner of mass market swimmer firm Coal of California,

517
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: told Time that he had little but scorn for France's

518
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: famed bikinis. I imagine that doing the Orson Wells Voice.

519
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: I have little bit scorn for these so cold French bikinis.

520
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 2: Cold California.

521
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 3: It's work in progress.

522
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: Coal of California also famous for being Catherine Colson, the

523
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: log lady from Twin Peaks. Her aunt, Margaret Feligi, is

524
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: a longtime designer for Coal of California. So eraser Head

525
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 2: was partially funded by profits from Coal of California. So

526
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: if you want to draw this connection, there's a connection

527
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 2: between the popularity of bikinis and eraser Head. So that's

528
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 2: pretty America, you know, David lynch Man, that's America, all right.

529
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 2: Keep going with these bikini quotes that we can maybe

530
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 2: read in Orson Wells Voice.

531
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, my favorite pearl clutching quote about bikinis

532
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: is from the actress and swimmer esther Williams, who compiented

533
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: that this is beautiful. A bikini is a thoughtless act period.

534
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: It's just incredible. And the really insane thing to me

535
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: is that there are still places in the world where

536
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: bikinis are banned. There is a city in Croatia where

537
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: you can be fined for walking the streets in a swimsuit,

538
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: in the Maldives where most public beaches are restricted to

539
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: one pieces, and there's a city in the UAE where

540
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: swimwear is banned entirely. And this is even true in

541
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: places in the good old US of A. In nineteen ninety,

542
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: the state of Florida banned thong bikinis from its state beaches,

543
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: and in January two thousand and five, the city of Melbourne, Florida,

544
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: followed suit. If you're caught wearing a thong in Melbourne,

545
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: you will owe five hundred dollars in fines and possibly

546
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: sixty days in prison, though I wonder how strictly this

547
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 1: rule is enforced on the On the flip side, there's

548
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: a beach in Egypt called La Femme which prohibits men

549
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: and cameras, so Muslim women can sunbathe without Oh yeah,

550
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: I think it was actually very recent that was. I

551
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: think it's actually a private beach that was opened I

552
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: want to sell me definitely in the two thousands, possibly

553
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: hold twenty tens.

554
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

555
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: Umm, and the Catholic Church really had it in for

556
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 2: bikinis at one point. The Vatican newspaper and this is

557
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: coming from a book called Bikini Story by an author

558
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: named Patrick alac So. I'm taking him at his word

559
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: for this, but this sounds made up. There is a

560
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: newspaper in the Vatican, the osservatori Romano, who wrote that

561
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: the four horsemen of the Apocalypse were alive and well

562
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: and had taken the form of the bikini.

563
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that papal thing. It reminds me that

564
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: Lady Bruce quote, if your body's dirty, the fault.

565
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: Lies with the manufacturer.

566
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,719
Speaker 1: So it's funny to me that the Vatican has its

567
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: problem with the human form.

568
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, not like anything else was happening in the priesthood

569
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: throughout the twentieth century.

570
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: Umm.

571
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: And apparently at one point I was not able. This

572
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: is also from Alex book. I just wanted to put

573
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: this in here. It's hilarious. I wasn't able to find

574
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: out which communist group, but Apparently some communist group decried

575
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: bikinis as capitally decadence, and so a world turned its

576
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: horny eyes to America and the topic of this heading.

577
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: The heading that I used for this in the outlined

578
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: was pools rush in where angels fear to tread. But

579
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: because America is a terrible place soaked in the blood

580
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: of the innocent, it's impossible to discuss the rise of

581
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: the bikini without the rise of.

582
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: The private pool.

583
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: So white America's spending power and wealth was at its

584
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: concentrated peak following World War Two, because you have veterans

585
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: coming home on the GI Bill, able to enroll in college,

586
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: pick up higher paying jobs. And labor unions are at

587
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: their historical strongest in America, the strongest there to be.

588
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: This is the era of HOFA. This is the air

589
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: before you know what. Thirty years later Reagan comes in

590
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: and busts up the Air Controllers Union. Anyway, labor unions

591
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: are at their strongest peak. So money is good. There

592
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 2: are lots of jobs to go around because the industrial economy,

593
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: with cars all that good stuff, there's more money floating

594
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: around in the same people that have always had money, but.

595
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: All the infrastructure is put in place to basically make

596
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: the war effort happen with building planes and you know,

597
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: munitions and stuff. It's basically turn on a dime and

598
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,479
Speaker 1: turn into making consumer goods cars like you mentioned, and

599
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: appliances and things like that.

600
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: And it's important to note that public pools had actually

601
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: been a big part of American urban culture until now,

602
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: and they weren't I don't want to say they weren't

603
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: even but they were actually desegregated until nineteen twenty.

604
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 3: Especially in the North.

605
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: You saw these big public pools where black people and

606
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: white people were swimming together. But around nineteen twenty you

607
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: start having all these morality scares and so they become segregated.

608
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: And that's what you see all these really heartrending pictures

609
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,239
Speaker 2: of the you know, the Jim Crow era, of all

610
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: these white kids playing in pools and all these little

611
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: black kids up against the fence looking in brown versus

612
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: the Board of Education heavy air quotes officially end segregation

613
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: in schools and fifty four and pools are not exempt

614
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: from the struggles that are around that. Three years later,

615
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: in Marshall, Texas, there's an NAACP backed lawsuit where a

616
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: man was suing to try and integrate a brand new

617
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: swimming pool, and the judge admirably ruled in his favor,

618
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: at which point the citizens of Marshall voted seventeen hundred

619
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: and fifty eight to eighty nine to have the city

620
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: sell off the entirety of their recreational facilities rather than

621
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: integrate them. Let's burn it to the ground. Though they

622
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: didn't burn it to the ground. It went into private hands,

623
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: but they literally said let's sell everything rather than integrate it.

624
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: So the pool went to a local Lions club, which

625
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: subsequently and predictably opened it up as a white's only

626
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: private facility.

627
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 3: This country is garbage.

628
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: So by the mid fifties, what you get is a

629
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: lot of newly cash flush and mobile because cars mobile,

630
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: white families fleeing from urban centers. The Federal Aid Highway

631
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: Act of nineteen fifty six low cost mortgages to the

632
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: GI bill, and redlining, the racist practice of redlining, whereby

633
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: you know, certain areas were circled in red on federally

634
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: and internationally distributed maps that meant it was more desirable

635
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: to loan to people here and basically ensured that black

636
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: people couldn't get loans for homes. So that's how you

637
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: get the suburbs. People are fleeing urban centers. They're terrified

638
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: of segregation, they're spreading out. There's all this new housing

639
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: being built up. And then we get the rise of

640
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: the backyard pool culture. Think of your swinging cocktail parties,

641
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: you know, your John cheever on, we of the suburbs type,

642
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: mixing a picture of Martini's and beating your kids with

643
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: a belt and putting on some bing Crosby and.

644
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 3: Beating your kid with a barbecue di spatch, Like.

645
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if you beat your kid with a saca

646
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: sweet Valencia oranges, it won't make a bruise. I think

647
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: that's a family guy joke. So I don't know how

648
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: much of a joke it actually was, but yeah, yeah,

649
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: So this is all you have to keep this in

650
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: mind that there's the better technology, better construction, and cheaper materials.

651
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: So from nineteen fifty to two thousand, the number of

652
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: private pools in the US goes from twenty five hundred

653
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: to more than four million.

654
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: Wow.

655
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: This historian named Jeff Wiltsee writ in a two thousand

656
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: and seven book called Contested Waters, A Social History of

657
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: swimming Pools in America. All of this is to say

658
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: that you no longer have to bear your body at

659
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: a beach, lake or pond. Now you can do it

660
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: in your own backyard. And then the boob tube and

661
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: the boob screen and the boob page and the.

662
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: Boob radio hedge.

663
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: The French continue their campaign of horninas on the big

664
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: screen in the nineteen fifties. One of the big ground

665
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: zeros of the bikini on screen is in nineteen fifty

666
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: two when a seventeen year old Brigitte Bordeaux stars in

667
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: the French film Manina the Girl in the Bikini. Little

668
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: on the nose there, folks, but that's fine. And then

669
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: there's famous pictures of her apperion it Can the following

670
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: year in a Flora bikini, and then in nineteen fifty

671
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: six she appears in bikini again in the film and

672
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: God Created Women Woman.

673
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

674
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: This really went a long way into giving the bikini

675
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: sort of an air of sophistication and class and not

676
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: something that you know, burlesque.

677
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, yeah, yeah.

678
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: And then you start seeing the class of Hollywood pin

679
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: ups like a Gardner, Rita Hayworth, Lana Turner, Elizabeth Taylor,

680
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: Marilyn Monroe, Betty Grable. You start seeing them in bikinis

681
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 2: in promo shots.

682
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: And in the early sixties Emily Post the matron of manners.

683
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 3: Who what I mean?

684
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: Did she write books or have of a newspaper column.

685
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: I can't remember which, but I mean she was famously

686
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: like she was the person you looked to when you

687
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: wanted to know, like you know, how to set a

688
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: table properly, and how to you know all these really

689
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,959
Speaker 1: specific rules.

690
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 3: Of social decorum. She was like the queen of that.

691
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: I hate this era of American Oh my god, the

692
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: good thing it's it's awful. I mean, it's horrifying.

693
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: She declared the bikini for perfect figures only and only

694
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: for the very but.

695
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: The rise of the Bikini was truly a full court

696
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: cross medium press. By nineteen sixty, Brian Hyland hits the charts,

697
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: hits number one with a bullet with one of my

698
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 2: least favorite songs of all time, a song I truly

699
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 2: detest with every single vibrating atom of my being. The

700
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: itsy bitsy teeny weeny yellow polka dot Bikini hits number

701
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: one on Billboard, although not the first version. A Swedish

702
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: artist named Lil Bobs Sure cut the first version in

703
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty six. Jordan, what do you have to say

704
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: about this song? I have nothing but terrible things to

705
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: say about the song. I can't believe that hit number one.

706
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: I mean, this isn't like the real novelty song era.

707
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was Hello Mother, Hello Fodder Camp Grenada came

708
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: out around now.

709
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, this is a low.

710
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: Ebb before the Beatles came and rescued us all from

711
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: novelty numbers. Ah.

712
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: There it is nineteen sixty two, Big year for the bikini.

713
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: Playboy first features a bikini on its cover in nineteen

714
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: sixty two, and also to the big screen. Ursula Andres

715
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: strolls out of the ocean and into immortality when she

716
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 2: appears as the first bond Girl honey Rider in nineteen

717
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: sixty Two's Doctor No in that white bikini. It's a

718
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: belted white bikini. She's got the skin diver's knife on it.

719
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 2: Subsequently becomes known as the Doctor No bikini. And Andres

720
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: she has better feelings about this than Raquel Welch. I'll say,

721
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 2: and just said that she owed her career to that

722
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: white bikini. And she remarked this bikini has made me

723
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: into a success. As a result of starring in Doctor

724
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: No as the first bond girl, I was given the

725
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: freedom to take my pick of future roles and to

726
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 2: become financially independent, which bravo. It's sold for a ritzy

727
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 2: sixty thousand dollars at a Christie's auction in two thousand

728
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: and one. Also in nineteen sixty two, we have Sue

729
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: lyons we're in a bikini in Lolita, but we are

730
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 2: not going to go there. The other thing that's important

731
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: to keep in mind in this time in American culture

732
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: is that the big development in mid century American life

733
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: is the rise of the teen Before industrialization and sort

734
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: of concentrated urban living and jobs and factories and all this,

735
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: the concept of being a teenager was not It did

736
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: not really exist. As soon as you were old enough

737
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 2: to help work on the farm or help work out

738
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 2: the business, that's what you did, and then you got married,

739
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 2: begat more laborers, and then you died from brucellosis at

740
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 2: the age of forty, as God intended. So there's no

741
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: there was no this notion of this transitory phase where

742
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: you're not quite a kid, but you're not quite an adult.

743
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 2: Not really as much of a thing, but changing societal mores,

744
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 2: including you know, educational laws that keep kids in school longer,

745
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: increased cash trickling down to them. You know, parents are

746
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: cash flush, so kids get an allowance, so they get

747
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: spending power, which of course is political power in the country.

748
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: So there are all of a sudden the market force.

749
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: So not only teenagers are a sudden distinct demographic, but

750
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: now there's money to be made in catering to them.

751
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: And I know this is a bit more of a

752
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: point of expertise for you than it is me. So Jordan,

753
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: take it away that there.

754
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: Are artists that were traditionally seen as for young people

755
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: dating back. I mean, I'm sure to you know, the

756
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: beginning of time, but I mean you got your your

757
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra's and the Bobby Soxxers, and the fortieses a

758
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: big band artists like Tommy Dorsey and Glenn Miller and

759
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: Benny Goodman, all those kinds of people. But here, really

760
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: in the late fifties and early sixties, you have the

761
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: rise of sort of the teen idols. You have shows

762
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: like American Bandstand and this whole rush of teen movies. Specifically,

763
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: we mentioned this at the top of the episode, the

764
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: sort of the whole beach Party phenomenon, starring specifically Frankie Avalon,

765
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: who was a singer at the time. He had a

766
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: big hit in I think nineteen sixty or sixty one

767
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: with Venus and a net Funicello and a net Funicelle.

768
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 3: Is really interesting.

769
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: Because she was she was in Disney's Mickey Mouse Club,

770
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: and so she was a kid that all the kids

771
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: of the fifties grew up with, and so she was

772
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: somebody who I'm trying to think of who our equivalent

773
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: would be now, I mean somebody that, like you knew

774
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: as like a child star that then kind of grew

775
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: up so she had a real be.

776
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 3: Like Hannah Montana, Right, Yeah, that's good. That's a good example.

777
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: I mean, somebody that really like had a really special

778
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: place in the heart of the baby boomer kids at

779
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: this time because they all kind of grew up together.

780
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: So if Frankie Avalon and at Fudaicello are kind of

781
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: the king and queen of these Beach Party movies, they

782
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: star in the vast majority of them. The studio that's

783
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: mainly responsible for making the kind of the official canon

784
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: one is called American International pictures and there's seven of them,

785
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: but there's all sorts of like off market ones as well,

786
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: and they all have hilarious names like you know, doctor

787
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: Goldfoot and the Bikini Machine and how to Stuff a

788
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: Wild Bikini. I think they almost all have bikini in

789
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: the name.

790
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 3: And yeah, and this is.

791
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: The part of the episode where Shuhorn in a whole

792
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: bit about the southern California myth popularized in the early

793
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: sixties by not only these beach party movies, but then

794
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: you get the songs to the Beach Boys and Jan

795
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: and Dean, where if you were a kid in the

796
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: Midwest and you were existing on a diet of like,

797
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, whatever was being fed to you as sort

798
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: of stuff for teens movies and music, you would have

799
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: this concent of California being a place where all the

800
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: guys were basically walking surfboards and all the women were

801
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: blondes and bikinis and everybody was eating burgers and cherry

802
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: cokes and drove around in convertibles and surfed all day

803
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: and essentially it's the popular face of teenage consumerism. To

804
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: get it back to the you know, the point of

805
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: this episode of Bikinis, there was a movie.

806
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 3: It wasn't one of the sort of the.

807
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: Main beach party movies, but there was one called for

808
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: those who think young and not. Sort of the ethos

809
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: of all these movies. They say that probably more than.

810
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 3: Any singular pop cultural phenomenon.

811
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: These beach party movies probably made the bikini more acceptable

812
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: to the mainstream. If the Hollywood starlets took it out

813
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: of the realm of the burlesque, these beach party movies

814
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: made it something that acceptable for kids, and it wasn't

815
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: something that felt very adult and very like inappropriate. Suddenly

816
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: it was something that felt a lot more fun, although

817
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: Disney didn't think so. I guess Disney had very strict

818
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: rules about what because of net Funacello again was signed

819
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,479
Speaker 1: to Disney for her time in The Mickey Mouse Club.

820
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 3: She had very specific.

821
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: Rules about what kind of bikini she was allowed to wear,

822
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: because Old Walt held her to her morals clause in

823
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: her Disney contract.

824
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, and it's fine.

825
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 2: I mean, you get the whole notion too, Like in

826
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: this whole area and era, you know, the Beatles are

827
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: coming over and sort of pushing the envelope where they

828
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: can with the hair, and you know it is the

829
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: whole period that every hagiographic concept of the of the

830
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: sixties will drill into your head, which is.

831
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 3: That societal mores were changing, but you know they were.

832
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: And that brings us to the most iconic bikini of

833
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: the nineteen sixties. Some people might argue with me, those

834
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 2: people are wrong. Were quel In Welch that deer skin

835
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: bikini from one million years BC and the poster of

836
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 2: her It's one of the most defining images of the

837
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: nineteen sixties. No less an authority than The New York

838
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: Times described Welch in the film as a marvelous, breathing

839
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: monument to womankind. I could not find out who wrote that.

840
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: I don't think it was Pauline Kale. That costume was

841
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: not so much sewn as it was sculpted.

842
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: Well.

843
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: She said that the costumer for the film, Carl Toms,

844
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 2: just draped her in deer skin and sort of cut

845
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: around with scissors. I probably shouldn't be leering at this

846
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: too too much, because she had. She did say in

847
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: twenty twelve that she never wanted to wear it, and

848
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: so much to the point where she turned down half

849
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: a mill to be in another one of these movies

850
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: and classic Hollywood. They didn't let her keep it. They

851
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 2: just realtered it, presumably again with scissors, to be reused

852
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 2: in a movie two years later called Eve.

853
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: That makes me really sad for a bunch of reasons.

854
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: One that she really hated doing it, and that makes

855
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: me sad, And I'm also really sad that they tampered

856
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: with this iconic bit of movie history. I feel like

857
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: every episode we do the Harrison Ford Indiana Jones it

858
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: belongs to a museum. But I mean, for real, though,

859
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: My favorite little tangent about one million years BC and

860
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: the whole sort of press scrum around it, was that

861
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: one of the promo photos featured Verkel Welch in the

862
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 1: fur outfit.

863
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 3: On a crucifix.

864
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen this picture?

865
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 3: That is wild? Yeah.

866
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: They should not have done that, No, I mean predicably.

867
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: This photo was not released at the time. It was

868
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: actually hidden for thirty years, and it was taken by

869
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: the legendary photographer Terry O'Neil, who explained this unorthodox tableau.

870
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: He said, I wanted to symbolize the dilemma facing Welsh

871
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: as the female sex symbol of the decade, crucified for

872
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: her sexuality by the movie industry and the wider public

873
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: who did not take her seriously as an actress. And

874
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: something I think also interesting, the photo is apparently framed

875
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: in a.

876
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 3: Spot of honor at Chloe Kardashian's house.

877
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: And having said all that, we'll be right back with

878
00:43:53,640 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: more too much information right after this. Other famous bikinis

879
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: on screen Gloria Hendry in Live and Let Die in

880
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three. She gets an honorable mention because even

881
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: if the design of the bikini in the film wasn't

882
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: especially notable, she was the first black bond girl. Also

883
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: from that same year, Pam Greer in Coffee. She's wearing

884
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: a white bikini poolside, and that pretty much. She had

885
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: been in a bunch of lower tier exploitation films prior

886
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: to that, but Coffee is really what launches her into

887
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: the zeitgeist, along with Foxy Brown. Yeah, pamgrea rules, I

888
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: didn't know this. Jacqueline Smith caused some controversy because one

889
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: of the nineteen seventy six promotional photos that went out

890
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 2: for Charlie's Angels her other fair Faucet.

891
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 3: And the other one.

892
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: Thousand and aven well whatever the other one, they were

893
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 2: fully clothed and Jacqueline Smith is wearing a white bikini

894
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: standing next to them. But that thunder God stole and

895
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: right quick, because Farah Faust jumps into her red one

896
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: piece to promote the show, and probably the second best

897
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: selling poster in the history of cheesecake posters is launched.

898
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 3: Well what we got next?

899
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,959
Speaker 2: We got oh Phoebe Kate's coming Out of the Pool

900
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty twos Fast Times at Ridgemont High the

901
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 2: car's song moving in stereo obviously an all time moment

902
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: for the film.

903
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 3: Kate's this is kind of complicated.

904
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 2: She has good memories of making this film, but she

905
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 2: had done a film just before this called Paradise, which

906
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: had also nudity in it, from her at just seventeen,

907
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: and she did not feel very good about doing that

908
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: film because I guess it was like a darker, more

909
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: drama thing. So this one felt like more lighthearted into comparison.

910
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: But you know, she did end up retiring in the nineties,

911
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: and so I feel it feels gross, is all I'll say.

912
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: Full stop.

913
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: She comes to a very quite an interesting show of

914
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: his family. I think her dad created the sixty four

915
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: thousand dollars question.

916
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: One year after Fast Times, we get Carrie Fisher in

917
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 2: the what has passed into the lexicon as slave layout,

918
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 2: which is a little unfortunate in return of the Jedi,

919
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: the metal bikini and the maroon skirt situation designed by

920
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: Aggie Gerrard Rogers, who has done a ton of stuff,

921
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: American graffiti, The Conversation One flew Over, The Cuckoo's Nest, Cocoon,

922
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: Pee's Big Venture, the Color Purple, the Witches of Eastwick, Beetlejuice,

923
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 2: the Fugitive, Mister Holland's opis the rain Maker, the holy Man?

924
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: Why did you end with the holy Man's ay Murphy movie?

925
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 2: It is, yeah, I think I put that in as

926
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: a punchline after all of this other iconic stuff that

927
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: they've done.

928
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 3: So they were working at Island.

929
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: Was where that that gout design which is course Industrial

930
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: Light Magic, George Lucas's SFX company. This was done from

931
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: sketches by Nilo Rodis Jammero Yamero.

932
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 3: Fisher had to wear.

933
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: An actual bronze one of the thing for still shots,

934
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 2: but there were other versions of it made and plastic

935
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: and rubber for when she has to move with her

936
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: characteristic rapier wit. She said of the bikini. If you

937
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 2: stood behind me, you could see straight to Florida. You'll

938
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: have to ask Boba Fette about that. And then she

939
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: also called it what supermodels will eventually wear in the

940
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: seventh level of hell.

941
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: I don't like this. I remember seeing that as a

942
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: kid and thinking that it just felt wrong that she

943
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,959
Speaker 1: was forced just the Kirr character, was forced to wear

944
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: that by this big creepy blob. And now as an

945
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: older person, I mean, I don't know enough about Star

946
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: Wars to speak to this with any level of expertise,

947
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: but it sounds like George Lucas was kind of a

948
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: creep when it came to Kerrie Fisher.

949
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, sure.

950
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: She roasted him at his AFI tribute and she mentioned

951
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: sort of stuff like you just said about this unpleasant

952
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: experience wearing this thing, and it seemed like there was

953
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: like everyone laughed, but it seemed like there was genuine

954
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: anger there. And she's often told the story about how

955
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: when she showed up on the set for the first

956
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: time in her Princess Leiah outfit, like the white wrap thing,

957
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: and he took one look at her and said, you're

958
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: wearing underwear.

959
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to take that off, and she said

960
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 3: why and.

961
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: George said with the most conviction that she said made

962
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: her laugh because there's no underwear in space.

963
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 3: It's just an insane thing to say.

964
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: And they also had that cameo in Hooked Together where

965
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: they played that couple kissing on the bridge who get

966
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: sprinkled with fairy ghost and then float away.

967
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 3: So I'm really confused about that relationship.

968
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: If it was like playful or if it was there

969
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: was a creepy edge to it, I don't know.

970
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: So I I you know, I did looked at way

971
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 2: too many listicals that were like the most iconic swimsuits

972
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 2: in film and television, and.

973
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 3: I probably wrote some of those for VH. Yeah, oh same.

974
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 2: I feel like the rest of the eighties is kind

975
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 2: of overlooked, but you know, the big ones that always

976
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 2: pop up again is the high cut one piece that

977
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 2: Pamela Anderson primarily but also Carmen Electra on Bay. And

978
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: then once we get into the nineties, I don't like

979
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 2: getting into this hole, like this actress past the age

980
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: of thirty looks amazing in a bikini, but Angela Bassett's

981
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 2: pink bikini and how Stella got her groove back in

982
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight is one of the ones that's most

983
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: frequently mentioned in that That movie, I guess is something

984
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: of a groundbreaking one for it's like that and the

985
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: graduate for advancing the cougar narrative.

986
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 3: I guess, Oh.

987
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 1: I just forgetting American Pie.

988
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 2: But okay, oh yeah, duh, American Pie was what two

989
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: years later ninety nine? Okay, And I just like the

990
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 2: one that Tara Reid wears in Big Lebowski as Bunny Glebowski.

991
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 2: The Green One. Halle Berry deserves.

992
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 3: An honorable mention.

993
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, for wearing an updated version of the ursula andres bikini,

994
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 2: this time in an orange which is probably the only

995
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 2: thing anyone remembers from Die Another Day in two thousand

996
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 2: and two. I have stopped caring about this segment the

997
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: cast of spring Breakers. I don't know, it's interesting because

998
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: there's a longer conversation to be had for a different podcast.

999
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 2: But I kind of assume like the notion of like

1000
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 2: an iconic piece of swimmer in media kind of starts

1001
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 2: to fall off with social media, you know.

1002
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: Or the Internet, I don't know where.

1003
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:15,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's true.

1004
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 2: You stop having to like people stop talking about like oh,

1005
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: you gotta see like we're Cole Wilch in this movie.

1006
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: Once it was just like I can just open my

1007
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: phone and be flooded with every conceivable perversion that it

1008
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 2: could I could ever dream for. But there's one last

1009
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: bit of swimwear ef Eemera in the Monoculture. And now

1010
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: we're getting into a segment that I like to call

1011
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 2: what we talk about when we talk about Thong song.

1012
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 2: You can't get to Thong song without going through that thing.

1013
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 2: Itsy bitsy song to the first big novelty hit with

1014
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 2: bikini in the title, probably the biggest Beach Boys California.

1015
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 3: Girls one, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah.

1016
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: I just want to bring up the Cramps, who have

1017
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 2: a song called Bikini Girls with Machine Guns because Cramp's

1018
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: rule bikini Kill is also coming up through the nineties.

1019
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 2: Their name was inspired by a nineteen sixty seven B

1020
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: movie called The Million Eyes of Sumuru.

1021
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 3: Starring Frankie Avalon. Baby.

1022
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: It all comes full circle, But I would argue that

1023
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: the high water mark pun fully intended for the Bikini's

1024
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 2: impact on music is Cisco's Deathless Jam Thong Song. There

1025
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: is no definite article on there, despite what millions of

1026
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: people have Mandala effected themselves into thinking it is just

1027
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 2: thong song. Full stop, there's nova damn it one of

1028
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,479
Speaker 2: the all time songs of the summer, despite the fact

1029
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: that it came out in February of two thousand, right

1030
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: in time for spring break. Yeah, yeah, that's true. So

1031
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 2: a little quick bits about that song. Songwriters Desmond Child

1032
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 2: and an ex member of Minudo Draco Rosa. They got

1033
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: a songwriting credit because of the interpolation of living Leavita Loco.

1034
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 2: So just when Cisco says she's living Avida Loka, they

1035
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 2: get a cut of the thong song now, which is

1036
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 2: that's work smart, not hard baby. So in the original

1037
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: beat that was sent to Cisco, the strings were sampled

1038
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: from West Montgomery's cover of eleanor Rigby. Wes Montgoverery and

1039
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 2: one of the greatest jazz guitars of all time, famously

1040
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 2: super crossed over by doing a bunch of Beatles covers,

1041
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 2: which I think is some of them were very good

1042
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 2: if they're not like truly straight ahead jazz.

1043
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 3: But yeah, the strings from.

1044
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 2: His version of eleanor Rigby were in the original beat

1045
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: of this song, and Cisco says that he knew that

1046
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 2: that would be a problem, So he tweaked the string arrangement,

1047
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: and he claims in an oral history done for def

1048
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: Jam that he pulled in some of the string musicians

1049
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 2: who were also currently playing on the soundtrack for Star

1050
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 2: Wars The Phantom.

1051
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: Menace Unified Theory of nineteen ninety nine.

1052
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So at some point they went from like.

1053
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: Ho d that song slaps the duel of the fates, uh,

1054
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 2: and then they went and did the strings on thong song.

1055
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: Strings for that. That's pretty incredible. Yeah, I assumes good

1056
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 2: for Cisco. In that oral history, he gives one of

1057
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 2: my favorite quotes of all time about the first time

1058
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 2: that he saw a thong, which is the incident that

1059
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: inspired the song Thong Song. He says, and I quote,

1060
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: do you ever see that movie The Ten Commendments. It's

1061
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: an old school movie. Charlton Heston. At first, when he

1062
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: was in Egypt, his hair was dark. Then he went

1063
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 2: up in the mountains and saw God, and when he

1064
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: came back down his hair was silver. That's literally what

1065
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 2: happened to me. He also claims that the reason that

1066
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 2: the video has so many of women in it upside

1067
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: down was because the FCC was like, you can't show

1068
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: thongs in a music video, and Cisco says, quote, I

1069
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: was like, what if you shot the girls upside down,

1070
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 2: then technically it's not a thong, which I don't get,

1071
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 2: but sure, and they says that's why on the beach

1072
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: we shoot at that angle and we got away with it.

1073
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 3: And once we got away with.

1074
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: That, it's like we opened the floodgates for how much

1075
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 2: booty you could sh show in a video.

1076
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 3: This specs the question. Is Cisco smart?

1077
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 2: Actually he's not wrong, but he's also not right because

1078
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: there were like two Live Crew videos Baby Got Back,

1079
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: Baby Got Basket.

1080
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 3: We'll talk about it soon on the show Rex and Effects.

1081
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: Shaker is another big one from that sort of tillation

1082
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: early nineties era, but.

1083
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: No I interviewed Uncle Luke from two Live Crew of

1084
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: h one. We did a picture me.

1085
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 3: Oh, I love that.

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00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: It's a video of that somewhere.

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00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 3: It was on video. That's incredible.

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00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 2: Lastly, my other favorite Cisco bit is that he contacted

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00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 2: Victoria's secret because he was like, Hey, you know, I've

1090
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: got this number one song in the country about thongs.

1091
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: Let's take a meeting, and they did, but apparently they

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00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 2: kind of nicely laughed him off because by the time

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00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: he got in contact with them, thong sales had already

1094
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 2: gone up eighty percent.

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00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: Hey, you've done our.

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00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 2: Work for Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well speak, Yeah, we're winding down.

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00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 2: We're winding down.

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00:54:58,760 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: I don't know.

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00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 3: Are there miss bikinis in the monoculture? Tweet at us

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00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 3: at because of the monoculture.

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00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of bikinis and money, before we wrap up,

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00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 1: I'd like to discuss the most expensive bikini in the world.

1103
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: And it was created by jeweler Susan Rosen for a

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00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated shoot with model Molly Sims. And the piece

1105
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: is made from over one hundred and fifty carrots of

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00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: flawless diamonds set in platinum. Now, Heigel price is right time.

1107
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: Would you care to guess without going over what is

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00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 1: this bikini valued at one.

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00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 3: Hundred and fifty carrots of diamonds set in platinum. But

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00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 3: it's not that big because it's a bikini.

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00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually very very small. Yeah, three hundred and

1112
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars.

1113
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: Oh, way way more. It's obscene.

1114
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 4: No, it's two mil up up, up, up up. You're kidding, Nope, nope, no,

1115
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 4: just go ahead then thirty million. Holy yeah, oh my god. Yeah,

1116
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 4: well this country is so that then they bailed out

1117
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 4: the banks like the last Jesus Christ, this country is diseased.

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00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,240
Speaker 3: Yes, thirty million dollars.

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00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 1: Thirty million dollars. Yeah, a single magazine cover. I don't

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00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:19,919
Speaker 1: know if it was even a cover.

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00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 3: I don't know.

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00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: I don't understand what function it served. But but google

1123
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: it it's it's uh, oh my god. Yeah, I don't

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00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: I don't really understand why it exists. Holy well, but

1125
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: uh what but you know, how yeah?

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00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 3: What? How else does the bikini evolved?

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00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: Yes, this brings us to a segmentatic to call the

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00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: bikini in the twenty first century. Please my take my

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00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: m y U class. I'm an adjunct professor the bikini

1130
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: in the twenty first century. Now, this thirty million dollar

1131
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: bikini can do many things, but it cannot charge your phone.

1132
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: But thankfully there's a Brooklyland based designer named Andrew Schneider,

1133
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: and he took care of this problem. In twenty eleven,

1134
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,240
Speaker 1: he unveiled the solar bikini, which is a bikini made

1135
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: of solar panels with a socket in the bottom to

1136
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: charge your devices while you tan a USB socket and

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00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: it went into very limited production, but according to Schneider,

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00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: each solar paneled swimsuit took up to eighty hours to make,

1139
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: and as a result, it can be quite pricey, ranging

1140
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: can cost from five hundred dollars to fifteen hundred dollars

1141
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: and up In said, yes, but I personally feel good

1142
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: that fascinating new advances and bikini technology are being made

1143
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: well into the new millennium.

1144
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 2: And I think that brings us up to now. I mean,

1145
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 2: what else is there to say about the good old bikini.

1146
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 2: The world's first bikini museum is currently under construction in

1147
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 2: bad Rappaow in Germany.

1148
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: Why there the place that banned bikinis, I know, seventies.

1149
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 2: Wow, they're making atonement. But by some figures cited last

1150
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 2: year in Women's Wear Daily, the global swim market was

1151
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 2: worth more than sixteen billion in twenty twenty. That's oil

1152
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: industry numbers, baby, and some estimates put its growth to

1153
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 2: anywhere from twenty one to twenty nine billion by twenty

1154
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 2: twenty five, which makes sense because wow, we're all gonna

1155
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:19,479
Speaker 2: be cooked alive by then. Less monetarily, there's at least

1156
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 2: one historian. Her name is Beth Dincuff Charleston, who's worked

1157
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 2: at the Costume Institute at the Metropolitan Museum of Art

1158
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 2: and Parsons School of Design, found a quote from her

1159
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: from two thousand and seven saying the bikini represents a

1160
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 2: social leap involving body consciousness, moral concerns, and sexual attitudes,

1161
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: which all told not a bad pool quote for something

1162
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: named after the atomic bomb test. Well, Jordan, it's time

1163
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 2: for me to take this. Itsy bitsy teeny weeny little episode,

1164
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 2: little little episode aikini and beach party blanket bingo my

1165
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 2: way out of here. Jordan has this tradition of just

1166
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: letting me punch myself out at air trying to find

1167
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 2: a kicker for these episodes. What we need to do

1168
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 2: is just fade in one of those like shitty like

1169
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 2: beach blanket bingo style songs.

1170
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you got weekend?

1171
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: The Party peer by Captain Geech and the Shrimp Shack Shooters.

1172
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: What's from that thing you do? Oh?

1173
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, No, I want you to do your

1174
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 2: DJ voice and introduce this. Well, go ahead, yeah, I'd

1175
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 2: give us the Dick Duvet voice as.

1176
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: All right, folks, with a ride out tonight, We're taking

1177
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: here the weekend and party peer with Captain Geeche and

1178
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: the Shrimp Shack Shooters. Keep it cool, folks, have a

1179
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: great weekend, folks.

1180
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 3: Thank you for listening. This has been too much information.

1181
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 3: I'm Alex Heigel.

1182
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 2: That was DJ Dick Duvet and we'll see you next time.

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01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,560
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1184
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 3: Producers are Noel Brown and Jordan Runtalk.

1185
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: The supervising producer is Mike Johns.

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01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 3: The show was.

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01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,959
Speaker 2: Researched, written and hosted by Jordan Runtalk and Alex Heigel.

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01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: With original music by Seth Applebaum and the Ghost Funk Orchestra.

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01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,560
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01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,600
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