1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: podcast network. Now get ready for us Strange Things with 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: Joshua P. Warn. 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,159 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their sponsors 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 10 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: Get ready to be amazed by the wizard of weird. 11 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: This is Strange Warren. I am Joshua pe Warren, and 12 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: each week on this show, I'll be bringing a brand 13 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: new my glowing content, news exercises and weird in experiments 14 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: you can do at home, and a lot more. 15 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 3: On this edition of the show. 16 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: Scientists Announce Time Mirrors. I almost did not do this 17 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: show because I have been reading about this thing, time mirrors, 18 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: and I still don't understand it. And I thought to myself, well, 19 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: how can I sit down and do a show about 20 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: this topic when I don't even understand it? But then 21 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: I realized, oh, yeah, you know it's that seems counterintuitive, 22 00:01:55,480 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: but duh. This show is about mysteries, it's about things 23 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: we don't understand, and so I guess it's okay. You know, 24 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: I always find it weird when people call me a 25 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: paranormal expert, because you can't really be an expert on 26 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: what we don't know. So I'm an expert at what 27 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: we don't know. So here's what's gonna happen in this show. 28 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: We together, you and I together, we are going to 29 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: try to see if we can wrap our minds around 30 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: what this thing is called time mirrors. And this is 31 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: real science, Okay, this is some kind of like freaky 32 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: metaphysical out there new age. Now this is like some 33 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: solid quantum physics here, time mirrors, and we'll just see 34 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: if we can figure it out together. Quick update for you, 35 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: thousands of people have sent a wish to be electronically 36 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: transferred via the portal. If you go to the real 37 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: blackmailbox dot com or thegodsigil dot com, you'll find an 38 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: email address there and you send what you want to 39 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: that email and it actually is connected to the entangler, 40 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: which will transmit that through the portal. And I do 41 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: want to say, however, there are a fragment. There's a 42 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: sliver of you out there who are not exactly following 43 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: the instructions. Make sure you send it to the exact 44 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: email on that page. I have other email addresses that 45 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: are similar to that. So like some of you have 46 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: accidentally sent me your wish and that's not going to 47 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: do any good. Go to that page the real blackmail 48 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: box dot com or the godsigil, and sigil is spelled 49 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: s I G I L s I G I L, 50 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: and there you will find an email address and make 51 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: sure you are sending it to that particular address on 52 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: the page that is the one that goes into the entangler. 53 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: If you think you may have messed up, that's fine. 54 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: I'm still accepting them. And all you have to do 55 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: is send an email to that and I'm supposed to 56 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: never even see what your wish is. 57 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 3: Aw Free. 58 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: You don't have to sign up for any of that business. Okay, 59 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: now let's get back to this mirror stuff. I became 60 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: a professional paranormal investigator when I was a teenager. And 61 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: here's what I mean by that. You know, I published 62 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: my first book when I was like fourteen or fifteen. 63 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: I was working for the newspaper when I was sixteen, 64 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: I mean like the pro newspaper, and so I was 65 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: already really good at going out and doing research and 66 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: interviewing people and writing up articles and such, and so 67 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: people would hire me and say, I think my house 68 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: is haunted and I would like to have a paranormal profile, 69 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: and so I would come in. I would get the 70 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: story best I could from the mouths of the people 71 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: the read, and then I would go to the library 72 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: in the courthouse and I would find all the documents 73 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: that I could get about the history of the property, 74 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: and then I would do a paranormal investigation with scientific tools, 75 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: and then I would combine all that into a report, 76 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: and so they would get a nice little report that 77 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: has a write up about like, here's everything that we 78 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: know about your property and why you may be experiencing 79 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: this stuff. So, if you are somebody who's interested in 80 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: becoming a professional paranormal investigator, that's one way of doing 81 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: it in your community. Tell somebody like, look it's five 82 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: hundred bucks or a thousand bucks or whatever. You go in, 83 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: you investigate the house with your tools, you look into 84 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: the history of it, and then you put a report 85 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: together and that's especially helpful for businesses like hotels that 86 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,799 Speaker 1: might want to promote their spooky activity around Halloween. Well, 87 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: when I was doing that, I noticed very quickly that 88 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: often someone would say this is the most haunted room, 89 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: and I would walk again, and I would find at 90 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: some point there were two mirrors facing each other, and 91 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: maybe not you know, dead on, but just at least 92 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: two reflective surfaces that were facing each other and creating 93 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: a little bit of that uh tunnel of infinity effect. 94 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: And this happened so often that I finally got to 95 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: the point where when I would walk into somebody's house 96 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: and I'd say, wait, don't tell me where the activity 97 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: is happening. Let me see if I can figure it out. 98 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: And I would walk room to room and then I 99 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: would find a room that had some kind of setup 100 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: like this, where there is a mirror facing a mirror, 101 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: or reflective thing facing a reflective thing, and I would say, 102 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: is this the spot? They say, yes, how did you know? 103 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: And you know that's without using tools or anything. So 104 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: I realized early on that there is something about mirrors 105 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: and the paranormal, and the way I viewed it is, okay, 106 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: what does a mirror do? A mirror reflects light, and 107 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: what is light light is electromagnetism. And so these ghosts, 108 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: whatever they are, these spirits, they obviously manifest in an 109 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: electromagnetic form. Not to mention the electrostatics, I don't want 110 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: to get too far off the rails here, but so 111 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: if these are electromagnetic forms, then they should be affected 112 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: by these mirrors that are reflecting electromagnetism. And so maybe 113 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: when you have two mirrors facing each other and they're 114 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: creating that what appears to the eye to be like 115 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: an infinite tunnel, maybe it actually is an infinite tunnel 116 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: of electromagnetism on that scale. And this is almost like 117 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: a simple portal. I kind of feel like that when 118 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: you look at your own eyes in the mirror, you're 119 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: creating the same kind of effect. You're creating a portal. 120 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: You're looking into the black hole or holes if you 121 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: have two eyes. And we can't comprehend exactly how this works, 122 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: but there's something about having those mirrors face each other 123 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: which is very important. And of course I'm sure all 124 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: of you are familiar with, like the childhood tradition of 125 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: growing up and doing the Bloody Mary sort of party 126 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: ritual where you go into the bathroom. Let's say you're 127 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: having you know, your friends over at night, and late 128 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: at night, you go into the bathroom one at a 129 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: time by yourself, and you look in the mirror. You 130 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: say bloody Mary, Bloody Mary, bloody Mary, to see if 131 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: she's going to appear. I looked into that. Here's what 132 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: it says. Bloody Mary is a legend of a ghost, phantom, witch, 133 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: or spirit conjured to reveal the future. She is said 134 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: to appear in a mirror when her name is chanted repeatedly. 135 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: The Bloody Mary apparition may be benevolent or malevolent, depending 136 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: on historical variations of the legend. Bloody Mary appearances are 137 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: mostly witnessed in group participation play. Here's what it says 138 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: about the history of this ritual. Historically, the divination ritual 139 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: encouraged young women to walk up a flight of stairs backward, 140 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: holding a candle and a hand mirror in a darkened house. 141 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: As they gazed into the mirror, they were supposed to 142 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: be able to catch a view of their future husband's face. 143 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: There was, however, a chance they would see a skull 144 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: or the face of the grim reaper instead, indicating that 145 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: they were going to die before they would have the 146 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: chance to marry eeh. In the ritual of today, Bloody 147 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: Mary allegedly appears to individuals or groups who ritualistically invoke 148 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: her name in an act of katop dramancy. Katop dramancy. 149 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: You ever heard that word. That's a new one to me, 150 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: Believe it or not. We're going to look into that 151 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: in a minute. What is katop tramancy says. This is 152 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: done by repeating, repeatedly chanting her name into a mirror 153 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: placed in a dimly lit or candlelit room. The name 154 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: must be uttered three times or some other specified number 155 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: of times, and then they go on to say. The 156 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: Bloody Mary apparition allegedly appears as a corpse, witch or 157 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: ghost that can be friendly, evil, or a demonic spirit, 158 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: and sometimes seeing covered in blood. The lore surrounding the 159 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: ritual states that participants may endure the apara screaming at them, 160 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: cursing them, strangling them, stealing their soul, drinking their blood, 161 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: or scratching their eyes out. Nobody's sure exactly who Bloody 162 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: Mary is, says, A number of historical figures have been 163 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: put forward. Mary the First of England, daughter of Henry 164 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: the eighth. She had around three hundred religious Protestant dissenters 165 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: burned at the stake. Mary Worth, who has been identified 166 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: as either a woman who killed slaves escaping the American 167 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: South or a woman who was burned at the stake 168 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: during the witch trials. Okay, when we come back, we're 169 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: gonna dig deeper into this whole thing. What is CAPOPDRAMANTSI 170 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: and how our mirrors made. We're going to dig a 171 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: little deeper into this mirror mystery and then and then 172 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna find out what the deal is with this 173 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: new thing scientists are talking about call time mirrors. 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Go to Joshua P. 184 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: Warren dot com and not only the Curiosity Shop, but 185 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: sign up for my free e newsletter there on the 186 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: homepage as well. I am Joshua pe Warren. And you 187 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 1: are listening to Range Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast 188 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. And I will be 189 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: right back. 190 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Strange. 191 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast a AM 192 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: Paranormal Podcast Network. I am your host, the Wizard of Weird, 193 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: Joshua P. Warren. 194 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 3: Beat me into your worm whole brain from my studio 195 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 3: in send. 196 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: The city Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is golden 197 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: and every night is silver. 198 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 3: Of Gietato Zube. 199 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 1: You know, it is said that the great scientific genius 200 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: of ancient Greece, Archimede, used gigantic mirrors on the shoreline 201 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 1: during a battle the Siege of Syracuse. All these big 202 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: wooden ships were coming in and he created what some 203 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: call the Archimedes death ray by taking these huge mirrors 204 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: and focusing the sunlight on these ships out at sea 205 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: and causing them to burst into flames. And nobody knows 206 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: for sure if that is true, but it certainly could 207 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: have worked. I have started many fires using mirrors, and 208 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: you know it doesn't take much, especially if you have 209 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: a little concave mirror, one that dips in. I mean, 210 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: if you get the sun hitting that thing the right way, 211 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: it will produce a bead of heat, just like a 212 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: magnifying glass, and you can burn things easily. As a 213 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: matter of fact, I recall years ago reading a news 214 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: story about some kind of a sculpture. I haven't brushed 215 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: up on this, but some kind of a piece of 216 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: art that somebody put in the middle of a town 217 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: here in the US, I think, and it happened to 218 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: have an element that was shiny and concave, and so 219 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: it accidentally was creating this one spot over top of 220 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: it where it was concentrating sunlight. And they didn't realize 221 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: what was happening until they started finding dead birds around 222 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: it because these birds had gone through it just got 223 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: toasted accidentally by flying over this pretty much large concave mirror. 224 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: So there is a lot of mirrors have power on 225 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: so many different levels. Speaking of ancient Greece, do you 226 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: remember the the Aesop fable about the dog and its reflection. 227 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: Let's see here the dog its reflection. One of Aesop's fables. 228 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: Let's see the fable is that a dog is carrying 229 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: a stolen piece of meat and he looks down as 230 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: he's walking beside or crossing a stream and sees his 231 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: own reflection in the water, and taking that for another 232 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: dog carrying something better, he opens his mouth to attack 233 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: the other dog, and endoing so drops his piece of 234 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: meat into the water, where it is lost. This is 235 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: a lesson about greed. You know that he had his 236 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: piece of meat and he should have been satisfied, but 237 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: he was greedy. So he sees what he thinks is 238 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: another dog and he wants that dog's piece of meat, 239 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: but in his stupidity, he ends up losing everything. He 240 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: loses his piece of meat and he has nothing. See mirrors, 241 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: They function in a variety of ways when it comes 242 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: to helping us to understand life. Let's see what the 243 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: definition of a mirror is. A mirror, also known as 244 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: a looking glass, is an object that reflects an image, 245 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: and of course they reverse the direction of light and 246 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. 247 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 3: Okay, so let's see here. 248 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: Let's look at the history of this. The first mirrors 249 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: used by humans were most likely pools of still water 250 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: were shiny stones. Imagine living your whole life and the 251 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: only time you ever get to see what you look 252 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: like is if you find a still pool of water 253 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: with the right lighting conditions. Can you can you imagine that? 254 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: It's crazy? 255 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 3: Says. 256 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: The requirements for making a good mirror are a surface 257 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: with a very high degree of flatness, preferably but not necessarily, 258 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: with high reflectivity, and a surface roughness smaller than the 259 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: wavelength of the light. Wow, that's kind of mind boggling 260 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: if you think about it a mirror. Every time you 261 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: look into a mirror, you're looking at something that has 262 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: a surface roughness smaller than the wavelength of light, says. 263 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: The earliest manufactured mirrors were pieces of polished stone such 264 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: as obsidian, a naturally occurring volcanic glass. They found a 265 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: bunch of those around and then in the Bronze age, 266 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: looks like they were polishing discs of bronze, copper, silver, 267 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: other metals and which actually, that's something else I want 268 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: to get into, because a lot of these early mirrors 269 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: they did use silver. And let's see, mirrors which are 270 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: reflective on the front surface may be made of any 271 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: rigid material. Like I'm just kind of like reading all 272 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,959 Speaker 1: all this crap about mirrors right now. But basically, like, 273 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people used to take silver 274 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: and use that to back glass and make make mirrors, 275 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: and I think there may be something to the silver 276 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: connection with mirrors and the paranormal. But let's get back 277 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: to where we were before the break, Okay. So I 278 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: brought up this word that new to me, katop dramancy 279 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: c A t O P t R M A n 280 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: c Y. It's a Greek word and it is simply 281 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: what you actually call divination using a mirror. How did 282 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: I not know? That? Says There are many different methods 283 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: of katop dramancy. Some practitioners use a single mirror, while 284 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: others use multiple mirrors or even crystal balls. Some people 285 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: look into the mirror in a dark room, while others 286 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: prefer to do it in natural light. Some practitioners focus 287 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: on their own reflection, while others look for visions of 288 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: other people or events. And then there's a whole list 289 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: of all these people who used it, you know, the 290 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: ancient Greeks, the ancient Romans, says. The practice of cataptromancy 291 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: is said to date back to the ancient Egyptians. They 292 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: believed that mirrors could be used as portals guiding them 293 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: into the afterlife or used as a tool to see 294 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: into the future. Mirrors have been found inside Egyptian burial 295 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: tombs and were used in ceremonial practices attempting to contact 296 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: the dead. For example, a collection of Feutererary manuscripts known 297 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: as the Book of the Dead describes a ritual in 298 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: which a mirror could be used by the recently deceased 299 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: to unite with their mortal soul by looking at their 300 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: own reflection in the afterlife. And of course Chinese. I 301 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: actually have some of these Chinese mirrors around my house. 302 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: What are those Chinese mirrors called? I can never remember. 303 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: I think it starts with the bee. Let's see Chinese 304 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: mirrors for like you can you can uh, what's not 305 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: bagua b a g u a bagua. I guess that's 306 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: how you pronounce you know. There there are mirrors that 307 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: the Chinese have in their culture and UH that are 308 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: either concave or convexts, and they're used to affect the 309 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: foun chua of an area and UH. Essentially H. The 310 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: idea is that you can absorb negative energy, or you 311 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: can project negative energy back away from you. And uh, 312 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: let's see. I'm not sure let's do what it says 313 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: about the Chinese, but I I you know what it 314 00:21:55,800 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: works for me, works for me. Uh let's see here 315 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: what they were saying I was, I got too much 316 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: stuff in front of me. Okay, here we go. Cataptramancy 317 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: was practiced in ancient China. The Chinese believed that mirrors 318 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: could be used to see into the soul and to 319 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: predict the future. They would often use mirrors to perform 320 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: rituals to cleanse the soul and improve one's luck. For example, 321 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: one popular ritual involve gazing into a mirror in a 322 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: dark room and trying to see the reflection of one's 323 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: future spouse. So this kind of thing, you know, is 324 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: to India. In Europe, they believed that witches lived in mirrors, 325 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: and so sometimes if you had too many mirrors around, 326 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: that was a problem. It's crazy Europeans, man, they were 327 00:22:55,320 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: always looking for like an excuse to bird somebody. So okay, 328 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: well that's what the top romancy is. But if you 329 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: look up, we're mirrors made with silver. It says, yes, 330 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: many historical and even some modern mirrors are made with silver, 331 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: particularly with the silver ring process invented by Justice von 332 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: Liebig in eighteen thirty five, which uses a thin layer 333 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: of silver chemically bonded to the glass. However, not all 334 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 1: mirrors are silver. Blah blah blah, all right, And I 335 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: find that interesting because that, you know, silver, it actually 336 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: does have medical uses. This is not some kind of bunk. 337 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 3: People have used. 338 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 1: Silver for thousands of years to dress wounds. It has 339 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: an anti bacterial element. They use it as a cream, literally, 340 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: as an anti biotic coating on medical devices. You know, obviously, Well, 341 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: let's see here. If you go and you look at 342 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: the history of people using silver, this is interesting. Hippocrates 343 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: and his writings discussed the use of silver and wound care. 344 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: At the beginning of the twentieth century, surgeons routinely used 345 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: silver sutures to reduce the risk of infection. In the 346 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: early twentieth century, physicians used silver containing eye drops to 347 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: treat eye problems everything from epilepsy to gonorrhea common cold. 348 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: During World War One, soldiers used silver leaf to treat 349 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: infected wounds. Got to take a break. When we come back, 350 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit more about silver and mirrors 351 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: and scaring off bad things like vampires and where. And 352 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: I have some freaky audio I want to play for you. 353 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm Joshua pe Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on 354 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 355 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: And I will be back after these important messages. 356 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Strange Things. 357 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: All the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Normal 358 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. I'm your host, Joshua Pete war And this 359 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: is the show where the unusual becomes usual. Yeah. The 360 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: ancient Greeks they really understood and appreciated the power of 361 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: mirrors in both a physical sense, you know, creating a 362 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: death ray, but also the more subtle psychological conscious or 363 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 1: consciousness oriented For example, I mean, I have a famous, 364 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: some would say infamous mirror hanging on the wall of 365 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: my house. It is doctor Raymond Moody's psychomantium mirror. He 366 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: sort of rediscovered an ancient Greek technique used to look 367 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: at a mirror in order to create a state of 368 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: mind in which you see a deceased loved one alive 369 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: again and you're able to interact with that person and 370 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: he traveled all around the world with this mirror that 371 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,719 Speaker 1: now hangs on my wall, training people on this technique. 372 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: If you don't know what I'm talking about, if you've 373 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: never heard of this, go way back and listen to 374 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: episode thirty one of this podcast called Strange Things, Episode 375 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: thirty one, and that episode is titled the Psychomantium Reunions 376 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: with the Dead, and it will tell you the technique 377 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: and the whole story. But that's just another example of 378 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: how much impact that mirrors have had and getting back 379 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: to health. I mean, you know, again, it's a little 380 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: bit of a stretch in some cases to connect silver 381 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: to mirrors, but a lot of mirrors used to be 382 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: made with silver, and silver does have medicinal uses. Getting 383 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: back to that, let's see here. In the eighteen forties, 384 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: founder of gynacology, Jay Marion Simms, employed silver wire, which 385 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: he had a jeweler fashion, as a suture and gynecological surgery, 386 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: and this produced very favorable results when compared with his 387 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: predecessors silk and catgut. Okay, I'm sorry, I read that. 388 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: Prior to the introduction of modern antibiotics, colloidal silver was 389 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: a germicide and disinfectant. You know what. Many years ago, 390 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: I was at a conference and there was a man 391 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: there and he was basically blue as a smurf. I mean, 392 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: actually he was more purple than blue, but I mean 393 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: he and he stood out like a sore thumb. And 394 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: this was a guy who just drank boatloads of coloidal 395 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: silver all the time. And I mean I met him briefly, 396 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: but I didn't really talk to him at length. My 397 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: buddy Dean, Dean Warsing talked to him at length, I think. 398 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: And the guy's name was Paul Carrason k A R 399 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: A s o N. If you've never seen what this 400 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: man looked like, uh type in Paul Carrason k A 401 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,719 Speaker 1: R s O N. He he had all kinds of 402 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: medical issues, and so he started drinking tons of colloidal silver, 403 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: going way overboard, you know, like a bathtub, and he 404 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: turned he turned blue, he turned purple, I don't know. 405 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: And he got famous for it. But turns out he 406 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: died anyway, when he was sixty two years old. And 407 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: he said, despite you know, him going to all these 408 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: lengths to maintain help through colloidal silver, he was uh, 409 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: he was a heavy smoker, how about that? So he 410 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: finally had a heart attack, and then that led to 411 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: pneumonia and then a severe stroke. And that's something how 412 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: that like somebody can care so much about his health 413 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: to do that, but then smokes, smokes NonStop. But going 414 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: further down this planet, this this train of thought here. 415 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 3: When it comes to. 416 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: Silver, I've always felt that silver having an antibiotic property, 417 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: having healing properties, and this is proven, you can look 418 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: it up yourself, is probably the root of why that 419 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: silver is thought to be effective against were wolves, vampires, witches. 420 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody knows you shoot a were wolf with 421 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: a silver bullet, but you may may not realize that 422 00:30:54,000 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: it also they say hurts vampires and witches. And in fact, 423 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: I remember reading in some lore that like a werewolf 424 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: dies and then becomes a vampire, So there's a connection 425 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: between a werewolf and a vampire. But I think it 426 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: all goes back to this idea that silver is good 427 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: and pure and bright and antibiotic, and that it kills 428 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: negative things. And that's why you get the lone ranger 429 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: running around with his white hat shooting people with a 430 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: silver bullet, and that's why we're shooting werewolves with silver. 431 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: So just to you know, side note about the possible 432 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: connection between silver and mirrors and the mystical. But when 433 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: I was a young man and I was finding that 434 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: these mirrors reflecting each other were seemed, you know, somehow 435 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: enhancing paranormal phenomena. 436 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 3: One day I sat. 437 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: Down and I took six square mirrors and I glued 438 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: them all together to form a cuebe And the mirrors 439 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: were on the inside of the cube, and then I 440 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: put a microphone on the side of it, and I 441 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: started recording, and it started giving me some really creepy, 442 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: messed up, freaky sounds, and I realized that I created 443 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: some kind of an antenna that may almost be like 444 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: a portal antenna. And because the sounds were creepy, I 445 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: called it the Devil's toy box, which, if you really 446 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: want to know, goes back to when I was a 447 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: real little kid. My mom and dad bought a VHS camcorder, 448 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: and so my sister Jessica and I, Jessica's six years 449 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: younger than me, we would go out and make, you know, 450 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: stupid little videos. You probably do the same thing if 451 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: you grew up in the nineteen eighties or whatever. I 452 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: was born in seventy six. She was born in eighty two. 453 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, that's right. So we would go out, 454 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: we'd make make we'd make videos, and we made this 455 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: dumb little horror video one time where her toy box 456 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: was haunted and like all these creepy monsters would come 457 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: out of it. And I called it the Devil's Toy Box. 458 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: So that name stuck with me. And then when I 459 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: started talking about this thing I created on radio shows, 460 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: I didn't want to take credit for it because I 461 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: was concerned that I didn't want to be associated with 462 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: the devil and or or something that's tapping into demons 463 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: or something creepy. I mean, you know, I had to 464 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: figure out how I wanted to be perceived, and I 465 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: didn't want people to think I was nuts. So I 466 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: would be like, oh, yeah, I've heard about this thing 467 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: called the Devil's Toy Box, but I didn't take credit 468 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: for it. Well, I'm taking credit for it now, Okay, 469 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: I invented the Devil's Toy Box. It doesn't matter at 470 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: this point, and people think I'm crazy. I embrace it. 471 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: I endorse it. I am the Wizard of Weird. But 472 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: it wasn't always that way. So I want to. 473 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 3: Play for you. 474 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: One of the little bits of audio that I got 475 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: from the Devil's Toy Box, a cube made of mirrors, 476 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: all facing inwardly. And uh, this is many years ago 477 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: I put up. They used to have these little microphones 478 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: with a suction cup that you could put onto a 479 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: telephone if you wanted to record a phone call. So 480 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,919 Speaker 1: I put one of these suction cups on the side 481 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: of the Devil's Toy Box and I made this recording. Okay, 482 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: are you ready, Okay, let me see if I can 483 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: find it all right, here we go. 484 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So what was that? 485 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 1: I don't know. As Einstein said, if we knew what 486 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: we were doing, we would not call it research. But 487 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: these are the kinds of sounds that you can sometimes 488 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: get from a Devil's Toy box, particularly if you bring 489 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: it to a haunted location. I don't even think I 490 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: was at a haunted location when I got that. I 491 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: think it was just at my house. I've spent this 492 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: whole show kind of, you know, building up to what 493 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: I'm sort of putting off, which is the main topic, 494 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: because I don't understand it time mirrors. This is just 495 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: another example of how bizarro the whole mirror thing is, 496 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: and scientists have been theorizing about this thing called a 497 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: time mirror for decades apparently, but there have been some 498 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: new breakthroughs due to meta materials. Meta materials are basically, 499 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: from what I understand, like man made materials. You don't 500 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: find them in nature, at least not nature that's known 501 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: to us. And they they there's a wide spectrum of 502 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: these materials, but they're able to do things that are 503 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: very special. And so scientists created some kind of metamaterial 504 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: and I haven't seen exactly how they made it, maybe 505 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: that's a secret or something, and they say that this 506 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: material creates this amazing effect that I'm about to tell 507 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: you about. Now. You know what's funny is that, like 508 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: sometimes you think to yourself, what if these scientists are 509 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 1: just full of it? If I don't understand it, Because 510 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: if you don't understand something and a quantum physicist does, 511 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: he's just like, look, I have the PhD. Don't worry, 512 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: you're not smart enough to understand this, but just trust me, 513 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: we have the mass. I mean, you could be at 514 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: dinner with the physicists and he's like, by the way, 515 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,760 Speaker 1: did you know the entire world is in the belly 516 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: of a dolphin. You go, oh really, yes. 517 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 3: Trust me, we have math. 518 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: Okay, fine, So I don't know, I don't know what 519 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: to think of this, But when we come back from 520 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: this break I'm going to try to fumble through this. 521 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: We're going to try to learn together what this new 522 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 1: advancement is and what they call time mirrors and what 523 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: do they do? Do they go back in time? Will 524 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: kind of and kind of not quantum physics. My friends, 525 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: I'm Joshua pe Warren. You're listening to Strange Things on 526 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, 527 00:37:40,040 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: and I will be right back. Welcome back to the 528 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: final segment of this edition of Strange Things on the 529 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I 530 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: am your host, Joshua P. Warren, and I believe it 531 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: was Mobius who first brought this topic to my attention. 532 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: Here is one article from Freejupiter dot com. Experts say 533 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: time mirrors are actually a real thing, like pressing undo 534 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,280 Speaker 1: on the universe, written by Joseph Brown, published this year 535 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 1: in a breakthrough that sounds more like the plot of 536 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: a mind bending science fiction movie than a real world experiment. 537 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: UESS have confirmed the existence of what they call time mirrors, 538 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: devices that don't just bounce light or sound back at you, 539 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: but actually flip the flow of time for waves passing 540 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: through them. This discovery, spearheaded by a doctor Hussein Musa 541 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 1: and his team at the Advanced Science Research Center at 542 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 1: the City University of New York, have sent ripples through 543 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: the scientific community and captivated the imaginations of curious minds everywhere. 544 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 1: Goes on to say, most of us are familiar with 545 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,439 Speaker 1: the idea of a mirror. You look into it, see 546 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: your own face staring back, and that's what scientists call 547 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 1: a spatial reflection. Light or sound hits the surface and 548 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: bounces off, changing direction in space. It's how echoes are created, 549 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: and how we catch glimpses of ourselves in windows or mirrors. 550 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 1: But what if a mirror could do more than just 551 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: flip your image from left to right. What if it 552 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: could lip your entire experience of time. That's exactly what 553 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: the concept of a time mirror proposes, and now, for 554 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: the first time, it has been demonstrated in a laboratory. 555 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: Now this is based again on a meta material. Let 556 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,800 Speaker 1: me just be as specific as I can here here's 557 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: the definition. A meta material is an artificial engineered material 558 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: designed to have properties such as a negative refractive index, 559 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: that are not found in natural materials, by utilizing specifically 560 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: designed structures. Okay, all right, it's something that men have 561 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: made up, all right, So let's get back to what 562 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: it's saying. Happens with it. What does this time mirror do? 563 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: It says, Imagine an electromagnetic wave moving through this material. 564 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: Suddenly the properties of the material are altered in a 565 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 1: uniform and rapid way, like flipping a switch, and instead 566 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: of bouncing back into space, the wave is literally sent 567 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: backward along its own timeline. And the result is the 568 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: wave comes out of the material in reverse, as if 569 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 1: someone had pressed the rewind button on the video. So 570 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: what does that mean? Okay, Well, if we go over 571 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: here to popular Mechanics, their headline as scientists confirm the 572 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: incredible existence of time reflections, and it says, here's what 573 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: happens like so you can try to relate to this 574 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,800 Speaker 1: if it's possible. Here's what would happen if you looked 575 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 1: into a time mirror as opposed to a normal mirror. 576 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,320 Speaker 1: It says, basically, if you look in a time mirror, 577 00:41:55,040 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 1: you will see your back instead of your face. Okay, 578 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,760 Speaker 1: they say that it's not literally going back in time, 579 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: but it is reflecting a different moment in time for 580 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 1: that wave or something like that. I told you this 581 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: is deep, This is really deep. This is a podcast. 582 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,879 Speaker 1: I'm not going to try to plumb that deep. If 583 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: you want to go online and research this yourself, go 584 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 1: for it. It's very very deep, very deep, you know. 585 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: And if you really want to get in there, if 586 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 1: you want to go that deep, you're going to have 587 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 1: to figure this out for yourself. But it says this 588 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:57,280 Speaker 1: time reflection behaves differently than spatial reflections because this time 589 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: echo reflects that last part of the signal. First, the 590 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 1: researchers say that if you looked in a time mirror, 591 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,319 Speaker 1: you would see your back instead of your face. To 592 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: translate the experience acoustically, it'd be like listening to a 593 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 1: tape on rewind, which is to say, fast and high pitched. Okay, 594 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: So I guess we're getting a little bit closer to 595 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,799 Speaker 1: understanding what they're talking about, because when you know, when 596 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,800 Speaker 1: you rewind a tape, you're not going back in time, 597 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: so we're not literally talking about time travel. Here, which 598 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,359 Speaker 1: is what it sounds like when you call this thing 599 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:48,720 Speaker 1: a time mirror. But you're getting an experience, uh, from 600 00:43:48,760 --> 00:44:00,360 Speaker 1: the past, and so this says, Uh. The explanation this 601 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 1: is popular mechanics. The explanation of spatial reflections, whether by 602 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 1: light or by sound, are pretty intuitive. Electromagnetic radiation in 603 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: the form of light or sound waves hit a mirror 604 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 1: or a wall and change course, and this allows our 605 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:21,240 Speaker 1: eyes to see a reflection. However, for more than fifty years, 606 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: scientists have theorized there's another kind of reflection in quantum mechanics, 607 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:32,240 Speaker 1: time reflection, and it says it's not quite like getting 608 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 1: into a DeLorean. Instead, time reflections occur when the entire 609 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:43,240 Speaker 1: medium in which an electromagnetic wave travels suddenly changes course. 610 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: This causes a portion of that wave to reverse and 611 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: its frequency transforms into another one. Again, folks, I'm not 612 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,280 Speaker 1: going to pretend that I understand this. But these people, 613 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 1: they say, they're really really smart, and they have worked 614 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 1: this out in a laboratory. So somehow are other uh, 615 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 1: this, this mirror, this reflective surface is able to and it 616 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,319 Speaker 1: almost seems to me here's how I'm envisioning it. It's 617 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:17,839 Speaker 1: almost like it's it's not just bouncing something directly back 618 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:24,680 Speaker 1: to the source, but that it is reflecting another point 619 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 1: of view that existed in the past. But then you 620 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 1: have these questions like, well, how far in the past 621 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,960 Speaker 1: are we talking if you you know, like, well, let's 622 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,879 Speaker 1: say you look at yourself and you all right, you're 623 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 1: facing one of these time herrors, so you see your 624 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 1: back because that's I guess, uh, I guess that's where 625 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 1: the waves were at one point. I don't know. I 626 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 1: don't get it, guys, I swear I don't. I mean, 627 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:55,880 Speaker 1: like I'm I'm trying. 628 00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 3: Quantum physicists. They tell you that. 629 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 1: You have these things that are in a cat state. 630 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,760 Speaker 1: You know they're going there they're spinning clockwise and counterclockwise 631 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 1: at the same time, or you know, dead and alive. 632 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,239 Speaker 1: They must know what I guess I know what they're 633 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:21,920 Speaker 1: talking about. They know how to build bombs, they can 634 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,719 Speaker 1: they can power submarines and all that. I mean, I 635 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 1: guess they got to figure it out. But this is 636 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 1: weird stuff. I actually have a little a little toy 637 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,719 Speaker 1: at my house that I sometimes break out on those 638 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:41,880 Speaker 1: rare occasions when I invite someone over, and it's it 639 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,359 Speaker 1: looks like a little a little crate, and I said, 640 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,279 Speaker 1: there's a cat in here, and the cat it's going 641 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 1: to be either alive or dead when you open the box, 642 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,399 Speaker 1: what do you think it's going to be alive or dead? 643 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,319 Speaker 1: And then the person guesses and then you open it 644 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 1: and there's a cat in there. It's a little model 645 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 1: of a cat, and a cat is either in a 646 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,879 Speaker 1: live or dead state, and nobody knows. And that goes 647 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,400 Speaker 1: back to what they call this Schrodinger's cat thing, where 648 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,279 Speaker 1: they say that like the cat is neither alive nor 649 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 1: dead until somebody observes its state, and then it becomes 650 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:27,880 Speaker 1: that thing quantum physics. My friends, you know, I'm just 651 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,680 Speaker 1: not smart. I'm just a dumb redneck from West North Carolina. 652 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 1: I guess I don't understand what this time mirror thing is. 653 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,160 Speaker 1: But I bring this up because now we can start 654 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,279 Speaker 1: looking into it more deeply, and we can figure out 655 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,120 Speaker 1: more about what it means and what it is, and 656 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 1: we we see once again how that the concept of 657 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:57,359 Speaker 1: mirrors continues to be profound and mind boggling. We're not 658 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: just talking about something that fascinated ancient people thousands of 659 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:05,640 Speaker 1: years ago, but something that also is a regular part 660 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:11,520 Speaker 1: of everyday life, and now is continuing to press the 661 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,719 Speaker 1: boundaries of reality in science and technology into new arenas. 662 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,840 Speaker 1: Where is this all going? I really don't know, but 663 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,439 Speaker 1: I may or may not be working on a little 664 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:28,200 Speaker 1: product that incorporates some of this stuff if I can, 665 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 1: if I can learn more about it and figure it 666 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:36,720 Speaker 1: out myself. So there you go, good luck looking into 667 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,960 Speaker 1: that time mirrors. It's now time for us to take 668 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,720 Speaker 1: a deep breath. If you can close your eyes, relax, 669 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,680 Speaker 1: let's end the show as we all meditate together on 670 00:48:46,760 --> 00:49:15,120 Speaker 1: the good Fortune tone. That's it for this edition of 671 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:19,240 Speaker 1: the show. Follow me at Joshua P. Warren, Plus visit 672 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,640 Speaker 1: Joshuapwarren dot com to sign up for my free e 673 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,359 Speaker 1: newsletter to receive a free instant gift, and check out 674 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,560 Speaker 1: the cool stuff in the Curiosity Shop all at Joshuapwarren 675 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,160 Speaker 1: dot com. 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