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Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. And this is the second most wonderful
Speaker 1: time of the year that we're inside the SWBC podcast
Speaker 1: studio and we're all in agreement. I think that the
Speaker 1: holiday season is the most wonderful time of the year,
Speaker 1: but I think this is second best because we're in
Speaker 1: March and free agency is about to start, and these
Speaker 1: teams are about to get as symboled and we got
Speaker 1: so much to talk about on this week's Addicks edition
Speaker 1: of nick Shots. Additchen it is It isn't somebody here.
Speaker 1: Don't you just love this time of y Oh? I
Speaker 1: hate it? Why no? You don't you love those guys
Speaker 1: out there on the combine. You love watching the youngsters
Speaker 1: coming up trying to make a way. I mean, in
Speaker 1: the next week or so two weeks, right, these teams
Speaker 1: are going to be put together. We had breaking news
Speaker 1: this morning. We got a new quarterback for the New Orleans. Yes,
Speaker 1: we do did they finally get it done or it's
Speaker 1: there the official it's aficial official, Yeah this morning when
Speaker 1: I love it? Pends on who said it NFL network. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's a good source. Yet out all right, it
Speaker 1: says right now Saints closing in on deal with Derek Carr.
Speaker 1: There you go, So that's not official. That's why I
Speaker 1: don't ye stars on both sides of the You gotta
Speaker 1: figure out who you believe. Now. Next Monday is going
Speaker 1: to be the day when all of this happens because
Speaker 1: that's when the negotiating period opens next month. So how
Speaker 1: are we gonna do the show next week? I mean,
Speaker 1: we do the show right when the negotiating window opens?
Speaker 1: Is that what time? And basically I think, yeah, yea,
Speaker 1: we miss everything. It's like we're gonna be right on
Speaker 1: top of this time because all the reports are gonna
Speaker 1: be coming out. That's right. Oh man, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: a great show. Now, nothing official, but it's not that
Speaker 1: this show won't be a great show, that's right. But
Speaker 1: got a deadline tomorrow I have since this time of year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we going back to last year, who did you have
Speaker 1: your eye on? In the combines when he had Michael
Speaker 1: Parson before it's going to be the gas here before
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons two years ago. I retired after that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got that right, retire? Yes, yes, I had my
Speaker 1: eye on that offensive tackle from Tulsa Tyler Smith kidding. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean when you look at it, it turns out
Speaker 1: I should have had my eye on everybody. Shut hell
Speaker 1: up about him? He was he your guy? Was he
Speaker 1: one of those guys? Who'd you have that? I have
Speaker 1: to remember the book. He's got this book, You got
Speaker 1: your stuff. You can't remember from last year. I remember
Speaker 1: better from twenty ten than That's why I to talk
Speaker 1: to younger people. So yeah, and all the younger people
Speaker 1: nobody had Tyler Smith. So they didn't. Oh did all
Speaker 1: this studying for three months? Right, and Tyler Smith probably
Speaker 1: never passed their leave. He wasn't on anybody's especially sixteeth
Speaker 1: on anybody's draft. When we chose him. Everyone said that
Speaker 1: was a mistake. Yeah, they really did. They didn't believe.
Speaker 1: That's why they're called so called experts. That's why that's
Speaker 1: not what they called themselves. That's why this is not
Speaker 1: the greatest time of year. Well, if you're going with predictions. No,
Speaker 1: you're right, it is not the greatest time of the year.
Speaker 1: So who's the who's the Who's that person we had
Speaker 1: the guy from from Georgia? Was that two years ago?
Speaker 1: Last year, the last year the first pick in the
Speaker 1: draft was from Georgia that was Big Walker as Big
Speaker 1: then went to Jackson and it might have been this year. Yep,
Speaker 1: selling Carter some issues could be Yeah, a little controversy.
Speaker 1: But and I heard maybe not the sharp because well,
Speaker 1: that's probably why he's in trouble. I mean hopefully it's
Speaker 1: because he's you know, that's all part of this process
Speaker 1: is trying to figure out who the sharpest is. So
Speaker 1: when you look at him, if I'm not mistaken, I
Speaker 1: saw him doing caught wheels and flips then I see
Speaker 1: that maybe I'm pretty sure I saw him doing and
Speaker 1: then and then make a tackle. No, No, he was
Speaker 1: just coming out for one month. Now he's Wow, that
Speaker 1: would be amazing. He's pretty good. He is. Yeah, as
Speaker 1: a defensive backle Now you got to understand or is
Speaker 1: he I think he's a three down guy. But is
Speaker 1: he a three down guy to take at the top
Speaker 1: of the draft? Um? He said number one overall? Yeah,
Speaker 1: every every It's not like the car story. No, this
Speaker 1: is legitimate. They said number one because of the issues
Speaker 1: that he had. Now he was gonna be it was
Speaker 1: just going to be the top four or five teams
Speaker 1: in the draft. We're really gonna have to study him
Speaker 1: because he's gonna be long gone. Now, everybody's got to
Speaker 1: study him because who might fall. That's right lyle Collins,
Speaker 1: right right. The troubles uh that was, but that the
Speaker 1: difference on Collins was that it was so close to
Speaker 1: the draft when it happened that everyone panics. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: and teams didn't have time to do their research. But
Speaker 1: one thing on this is they have time now to
Speaker 1: figure it all out. So, yeah, we shouldn't talked to him.
Speaker 1: I'm going free agent, right, Yes, the boy signed him
Speaker 1: as a he'll he'll never make up that money that
Speaker 1: he could have had. Which, okay, you bring up loud Collins.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the news that the decisions that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have to make here in the next twenty four
Speaker 1: hours with franchetline looming with the franchise, tag and Mickey
Speaker 1: give us an update on what they're thinking. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: sure they're thinking that they would like to sign Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard to a multiple year deal, but it sounded like,
Speaker 1: after listening to Jerry on Friday from the Combine, that
Speaker 1: if that doesn't get done, then they indeed will franchise
Speaker 1: him one year, ten point zero one million dollars guaranteed
Speaker 1: is the franchise tag to reserve his rights for a
Speaker 1: running back for a running back, and then they're going
Speaker 1: to have to coordinate that with what they do with
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott, and Jerry said, if he had his druthers
Speaker 1: both guys, they will resume just what they were doing
Speaker 1: this year with both guys that he wants them back. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, Jerry talked about how he gets accused of
Speaker 1: hanging on to his stars too long. I think people
Speaker 1: forget he cut Troy Aikman, he cut Emmett Smith. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: he may have signed guys to an extension maybe too
Speaker 1: you know, too late in their careers. But but he
Speaker 1: did cut these guys. He moved on from DeMarcus Ware,
Speaker 1: moved on from where. So yeah, somehow he's got this
Speaker 1: reputation that he hangs on too, moved on from Everson Walls.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, Browning over here, Jerry, come on,
Speaker 1: say me started playing the horn. Good to see you
Speaker 1: go did well so so But anyway, I think those
Speaker 1: are you know, the things they've got to decide. And
Speaker 1: you know, Stephen made it sound like they would use
Speaker 1: the tag if they have to, uh and if it's
Speaker 1: not um, if it's not Tony Pollard, they you know,
Speaker 1: have other alternatives of what they could do. Although Jerry said, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I got to decide how important this tight
Speaker 1: end is going to be in this offense. And interesting
Speaker 1: Juck supposed that against what those young guys did and
Speaker 1: what they might be able to do to decide what
Speaker 1: market value is for Dalton Shoulder. That is that that
Speaker 1: is to me, that's the most interesting uh story right now?
Speaker 1: I mean to me and speaking as if I was
Speaker 1: going to if I was in the owner of the team,
Speaker 1: and I see what Polard's going through right now. Franchise,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just gonna be quick about it. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't think too much on it. Franchising and speaking as
Speaker 1: a fan, though, it's hard for me to give up
Speaker 1: Zekiela Elliots. It's hard to me to give zup, not
Speaker 1: just you know, sentimental value. He had value on this team,
Speaker 1: still has value in the way he was able to
Speaker 1: run the ball and help us move the change. And Jerry,
Speaker 1: by the way, emphasized that towards the end of the
Speaker 1: year he was playing through an injury again, so he
Speaker 1: didn't he's not devaluing his talent like what he's capable
Speaker 1: of doing. But they're likely needs to be adjustment on
Speaker 1: the base salary, which I think they could come to
Speaker 1: a equitable conclusion on that one on both sides right
Speaker 1: to not have him with a ten point nine million
Speaker 1: dollars base salaries, say everybody says he costs him sixteen million,
Speaker 1: Well third of that is basically the leftover signing on
Speaker 1: us that and restructure bonus that still needs to be
Speaker 1: accounted for it. He's already paid him that. It's the
Speaker 1: ten point nine that they have to restructure. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you what's gonna happen, because it's the way the
Speaker 1: fans are and the media as well. Once Poler starts
Speaker 1: making big money, then the criticism it's going to be
Speaker 1: much more hard. And they draft guy this year in
Speaker 1: the fourth or fifth round, Okay, and now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, that guy's gonna be right right. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: love us when we're not making any money. You know,
Speaker 1: we're that hard life story, you know, where that person's
Speaker 1: fighting from the bottom, he's trying to dig his way out.
Speaker 1: But once you start making the money, now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're bougie. You know, you're you're too good
Speaker 1: for us. You're not You're not that you're not good
Speaker 1: enough for us because of what we're paying you. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that changing attitude. That changed the
Speaker 1: whole landscape of the NFL. Probably around what would you
Speaker 1: say nineteen ninety when salaries became almost who was the
Speaker 1: first public Who was the one to kick it off?
Speaker 1: Like back in free agency with the Baseball's Mester Smith
Speaker 1: or somebody like that. Who who would you say kicked it?
Speaker 1: Or what salary? My butt? That gonna go? Kurt Waters? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, as started, but Messter Smith ended
Speaker 1: up capitalizing off of it. But when when NFL salaries
Speaker 1: now they're almost becoming public knowledge, I think that changed
Speaker 1: how people were at at players because now it wasn't
Speaker 1: how much you make, it's how well are you playing for?
Speaker 1: How much you make? I do recall you know when
Speaker 1: they put it in USA today, but they were they
Speaker 1: already knew about the salaries, but mis Gary Minds put
Speaker 1: it in the USA today, and I supplied them with
Speaker 1: the with the salaries because there's a union rep. What
Speaker 1: you had was teams and players were being dishonest about
Speaker 1: what they were making. You know, if I'm one of
Speaker 1: the one of text Ram's guys, you know I'm gonna
Speaker 1: text and I are gonna agree that I'm not making
Speaker 1: as much as you know everyone says I'm making. I'm
Speaker 1: making a hundred thousand less than that. But they went
Speaker 1: coots and it damaged the relationship with future teammates because
Speaker 1: now you find out that he's making more when you
Speaker 1: were negotiating and making less, so that you can, you know,
Speaker 1: be right there with him. So it probably started then.
Speaker 1: That was around eight how about eighty six when they
Speaker 1: signed Herschel too. There's always that's that that one moment
Speaker 1: kicked everything off. What was it? I want? He got
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand? That sounds silly right now, right, That's
Speaker 1: why I checked myself. Was it a million? No? It
Speaker 1: was one hundred thousand, right, And they asked Tony Dorset
Speaker 1: what he thought about it, and Tony Dorset promptly said,
Speaker 1: I feel like one hundred thousand dollars man, Like, if
Speaker 1: he's getting that, that's what I does. Yeah, but they
Speaker 1: that's not what they got. Yeah, it was just a
Speaker 1: sign to come things to come. So but yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: it's it's not how much you make, it's how well
Speaker 1: you played with how much. Yeah, that's certainly started that.
Speaker 1: So we'll see, we'll see what happens. Tomorrow's the deadline
Speaker 1: on the on the franchise tender. Uh And like I said,
Speaker 1: and then if they happen to get something done in
Speaker 1: time with Pollard, then um, you know you could use
Speaker 1: it elsewhere, although it's pretty expensive to use it on
Speaker 1: a safety. Fourteen million. I don't think that will sent
Speaker 1: that much on a safety. Yeah, Donovan Wilson. So the
Speaker 1: toughest sign you think would be Wilson versus Sheltz because
Speaker 1: what you just talked about, what those tight ends is
Speaker 1: going to be about the same price on a one
Speaker 1: year deal. Now. Yeah, but he's got a twenty percent
Speaker 1: increase over last year because if he was the franchise player.
Speaker 1: But I think what makes it more titilating is you've
Speaker 1: got two other guys at his position, right the extreme
Speaker 1: to me extremely valuable to the Cowboys, and Jerry talks
Speaker 1: extensively about Okay, you can't have everybody. Now, what do
Speaker 1: I have with young guys that we have to count
Speaker 1: on stepping up? Somebody to move in. I guess he
Speaker 1: could have used Tyler Smith on that after he struggled
Speaker 1: his rookie year and then when he was forced to
Speaker 1: start the next year when Lail Collins got hurt, he
Speaker 1: stepped up and played by the way. I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: this anywhere else, and just doing research while y'all are talking,
Speaker 1: this is the thirtieth anniversary of NFL free agency. Wow,
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three is when it started. They had to
Speaker 1: plan B free agents prior to that from nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 1: but the salary captain's start till ninety four. Okay, so
Speaker 1: that's what changed everything. I think guys ended up. There
Speaker 1: was a form of free agency in ninety three, right right. Well,
Speaker 1: Plan B actually was, because that's how Nova, Nova Check
Speaker 1: and Rob A Walt where the big Plan B free
Speaker 1: agent signings. Otherwise I thought this sucked. Well, I think
Speaker 1: they also so ninety three when when free agency or
Speaker 1: ninety four, I mean, you were just you just missed
Speaker 1: it once again. I came along too soon that summer.
Speaker 1: All all came around, well, James Washington Plan, if I
Speaker 1: remember correctly, I think they brought in like twenty guys
Speaker 1: that year when Plan I started. And back then you
Speaker 1: could protect a certain number of players thirty some thirty
Speaker 1: seven or something like that, and then the others were
Speaker 1: subject to which also caused problems because feelings got hurt. Right, Oh,
Speaker 1: you didn't think I was good enough to protect and
Speaker 1: then and then no one picked you up. And okay,
Speaker 1: glad to be here. He's always watch what you wish for, right,
Speaker 1: you just might get it? Yeah, absolutely? And the other
Speaker 1: the uh landmark when you talk sports contracts, the landmark
Speaker 1: milestone contract was Kirby puckets uh in about eight he
Speaker 1: was the first three million dollar player. He's climbing the wall.
Speaker 1: Three million dollars a year. That was It wasn't a Yankee, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's usually. It was especially surprising a Minnesota twin would
Speaker 1: be the one of all time. All right about Terren Steele, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's been reported that they will use the second
Speaker 1: round tender on Terren Steel as a restricted free agent.
Speaker 1: That'll cost him four point three million on that one
Speaker 1: year deal. But again you can negotiate out of that. Uh.
Speaker 1: And you know, still there's no restriction on signing those
Speaker 1: guys to a long term deal, so you can always
Speaker 1: do that with the restricted guys. So we'll see what happened.
Speaker 1: So are you surprised they went with the second round
Speaker 1: tender instead of a first round tender? So I thought
Speaker 1: that was yeah, because I think somebody said they went
Speaker 1: with it is an official. Yeah, that would somebody give
Speaker 1: up a second round pick to sign him to a
Speaker 1: long term deal. Maybe, But again, he's coming off that
Speaker 1: ACL and they can say, oh, he's ahead of schedule.
Speaker 1: How do you know it's two months right? Where are
Speaker 1: we at March sixth? His surgery was mid December, two
Speaker 1: and a half months. They're trying to get him back
Speaker 1: for the beginning of the season. Correct, Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: they're But since he is a free agent, a restricted
Speaker 1: free agent at that a team would bring him in
Speaker 1: and check him out and see he is doing some
Speaker 1: team with a gob of money, and then of course
Speaker 1: the Cowboys would have the opportunat Yeah, he might receive
Speaker 1: out there and if they let him go, then they
Speaker 1: get a second round draft pick back forth, and I
Speaker 1: figured out that how about this, with still starting the
Speaker 1: first thirteen games last year, the Cowboys at least averaged
Speaker 1: four yards a carry in each of those games, or
Speaker 1: in those games at ten times ten of the thirteen Okay,
Speaker 1: in the final four regular season games with him missing,
Speaker 1: they never averaged more than three point eight and in
Speaker 1: the last two games two seven and two four. And
Speaker 1: that continued in the playoffs. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is coincidence or not, but in the playoffs it
Speaker 1: was three to seven against Tampa Bay and three to
Speaker 1: five in the loss to San Francisco, and they got
Speaker 1: to three to five against San Francisco. Thaks to Dak
Speaker 1: carrying the ball four times for twenty two yards, so
Speaker 1: he averaged over five yards to carry. So they struggled
Speaker 1: to run the football when he wasn't in there. You started,
Speaker 1: but you had Tyrn Smith. Okay, well, Tyrn Smith hadn't
Speaker 1: done anything for what thirteen thirteen weeks and playing a
Speaker 1: position he hadn't played since twenty twelve. The other thing
Speaker 1: that I think people forgot during that stretch when they
Speaker 1: struggled to run the football. They lost Beardish in game
Speaker 1: sixteen and didn't play in Game seventeen, and that meant
Speaker 1: they had to start with the line shuffle, right. McGovern
Speaker 1: goes to center Tyler Smith to guard Jason Peters, at
Speaker 1: forty years old, is now playing full time at tackle
Speaker 1: until Beyotish returned for the playoffs. Thank god, because my
Speaker 1: hip it is killing me. Yeah. So so anyway, Tyler
Speaker 1: Smith I thought was pretty darning. I mean, Terren Steele
Speaker 1: was pretty darn important to what they did. And so
Speaker 1: you know, this this perception out there that they didn't
Speaker 1: run the ball, or to me, I went back and looked,
Speaker 1: you guys, they were and I know it's seventeen games, Okay,
Speaker 1: they ran the ball five hundred and thirty one times.
Speaker 1: You got to go back to nineteen ninety four to
Speaker 1: find the last time they ran more in a single season.
Speaker 1: And even if you take away the twenty seven carries
Speaker 1: in the seventeenth game, they're at five o four And
Speaker 1: there's only been four other times since ninety four that
Speaker 1: they ran the ball more than five hundred times in
Speaker 1: a season. So that's that's kind of surprising. So all
Speaker 1: this talk about well now we're gonna change or we're
Speaker 1: gonna run more, no better, run more effectively. Right, that's
Speaker 1: the problem. You can run thirty thirty five times a game,
Speaker 1: but if you're only averaging three and a half carries
Speaker 1: a game, it doesn't seem like you're getting anywhere. So
Speaker 1: to me, this whole talk about you know, McCarthy wants
Speaker 1: to run the ball more, you know Kellen Moore was
Speaker 1: all he wanted to do was throw was misleading because
Speaker 1: they ran the ball more than they had since McCarthy
Speaker 1: got here. If you try to put it together and
Speaker 1: maybe look at some different scenarios on why they ran
Speaker 1: so much. Could Dak's interceptions be a factor? You know,
Speaker 1: let's say he wouldn't have thrown so many interceptions, then
Speaker 1: we'd be we'd have more success with our passing game,
Speaker 1: therefore run the ball less. So do you think it's
Speaker 1: because we had to tone it down during the game,
Speaker 1: like we're killing them with the pass. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Dack throws an interception, Like okay, we either back it
Speaker 1: up back right. I wonder if that had anything to
Speaker 1: do with those numbers, because his interceptions were unusual in
Speaker 1: the right. Yeah, so did we react It was that
Speaker 1: the reaction too, those on time return overs. I think
Speaker 1: it's not that we could look at I don't have
Speaker 1: an answer for that. That's a tough one, A tough one.
Speaker 1: All right, it's time for a break. Okay, I got
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Speaker 1: day looming on Tuesday. Who was the first player that
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Speaker 1: I remembered I asked a tribute, Yes you did. Would
Speaker 1: you remember what the question? It was? Mickey? The first
Speaker 1: franchise first time the Cowboys used the franchise tag? Was when?
Speaker 1: And who was it on? He stumped, I want to say,
Speaker 1: and he didn't turn it off? Is not going to
Speaker 1: do it myself? Um, it's one of two people, Anthony
Speaker 1: Spencer or flowzell Adams. Yes, no, it would be one
Speaker 1: of those two. Now, which one I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: of the years? Well, Anthony Spencer was much later than
Speaker 1: flowzell Adams, so I think I would two thousand and
Speaker 1: two Flows zell Adams. And how much was the franchise
Speaker 1: tag for an offensive tackle in two thousand and two?
Speaker 1: Now you got me on that one. First of all,
Speaker 1: let's talk about how unique that name is. Flow I've
Speaker 1: never even thought about it today. I mean flows Out, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, was a draft day controversy too. By
Speaker 1: the way, why the Cowboys took him in the second
Speaker 1: round because supposedly he fell out of the first round
Speaker 1: because he was deaf in one year and he couldn't
Speaker 1: hear the play. Well, he didn't really have any problems
Speaker 1: getting to the Pro Bowl, right, but did he I
Speaker 1: don't think he played with a hearing aide or getting
Speaker 1: to a second contract. Yeah, they couldn't hear. That was
Speaker 1: one of those things that came out this time a year, right, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, And it was four point nine million dollars
Speaker 1: for a tackle in two thousand and two, twenty one
Speaker 1: years ago, four point nine million, and now it's twenty
Speaker 1: something like it. Yeah, you got the numbers somewhere in
Speaker 1: your somewhere. Breaking news. This just into the SWBC podcast studio.
Speaker 1: According to media reports, the Cowboys are exercising the franchise
Speaker 1: tag on Tony Pollard. Yeah. See they they listen to me.
Speaker 1: That's breaking on data. They don't have to when I
Speaker 1: said it, then they say, you know what, they don't
Speaker 1: have to turn it in until what three o'clock tomorrow?
Speaker 1: That's right. So that could be a negotiating employee too.
Speaker 1: M all right, you didn't want our long term deal
Speaker 1: with upfront money. Okay, you work every week for your paycheck.
Speaker 1: Now see it's guarantee though, Yeah, but you don't get
Speaker 1: it ahead of time. I don't, No, No, you get it.
Speaker 1: You got paid. What is guarantee? Yes, it guaranteed, But
Speaker 1: what if I gave you ten million today by the
Speaker 1: first of January, what would that do in some sort
Speaker 1: of savings fun I'd say you were crazy, because I'm
Speaker 1: not worth ten million dollars. I mean, so if you're
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard, if you're Tony Pollard, what contract would you
Speaker 1: agree to? That's not that's a multi year contract. First
Speaker 1: of all, he knows he's coming from a weak position.
Speaker 1: I truly believe that. Will that humble him? I don't know.
Speaker 1: But or you bet on yourself because you're coming from
Speaker 1: that weak position and say, okay, let me re establish
Speaker 1: myself and make eleven million dollars. And that's frustrating as
Speaker 1: a player, right because you can. You can be a
Speaker 1: frustrating all you want. The team is still gonna say,
Speaker 1: what do you expect? Man? You're coming off an injury.
Speaker 1: And he knows that's what they're thinking. All right, So
Speaker 1: is there a way to do a contract because you
Speaker 1: got the Zeke situation there to do a contract that
Speaker 1: guarantees him ten point one million dollars this year? You
Speaker 1: give it a signing bonus. But but he becomes a
Speaker 1: free agent next year, unrestricted unrestricted free agent next year,
Speaker 1: like you do a two year deal, and you give
Speaker 1: him a signing bonus, what to relieve the impact on
Speaker 1: the cap, see what I'm saying. And but he's still
Speaker 1: allowed to reach free agency next year. But the benefit
Speaker 1: for the team right now is he doesn't count ten
Speaker 1: million dollars this year. Instead, you spread that over two years. Okay,
Speaker 1: So let's say five million this year next year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: right on the start of the league year next year,
Speaker 1: I think he probably that would be with So that
Speaker 1: would be the team beating on him, you know, as
Speaker 1: opposed to him beating on himself and that And for
Speaker 1: what that does for Pollard is it gives him. But
Speaker 1: you gotta have a base salary. He gets. He has
Speaker 1: a base salary, and so I mean, I say roughly
Speaker 1: five million each each year or whatever you the base
Speaker 1: salary is the minimum. So you're bait. You're giving him
Speaker 1: the signing million ten million dollars which he gets now, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: and he still can there's an avoidable second year, right,
Speaker 1: and so it's spread over two years. The length of
Speaker 1: the contract is two years, or you can spread it
Speaker 1: over three years or whatever, and you just make it
Speaker 1: voidable March fifteenth next year. Yeah, there's probably some sort
Speaker 1: of there's probably some sort of rule on Okay, let's
Speaker 1: just say but now, let's keep it simple. Let's keep
Speaker 1: it simple. And you're basically cutting that ten million dollars
Speaker 1: in a half where I know what you're saying, and
Speaker 1: he so he gets the benefit for Pollard is he
Speaker 1: gets the money up front and he becomes a free
Speaker 1: agent next year. So that doesn't change whatever. Is there
Speaker 1: any value from both sides on doing that? And that's
Speaker 1: only when when you realize that he has been franchise
Speaker 1: tagged because otherwise he wants them a long term right right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So what what you would do is continue negotiating after
Speaker 1: you tag him, right, make sure he doesn't get out
Speaker 1: there and free agency, and then you can work on something.
Speaker 1: But yeah, whatever, they have to trust each other. Whatever
Speaker 1: you do. He's got to make eleven million dollars this year, guaranteed, right, right.
Speaker 1: And even if you did a three year deal and
Speaker 1: you said, okay, but your signing bonuses eleven million dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I was saying, do it over three years and
Speaker 1: then give him reasonable base salaries in the next two years.
Speaker 1: But and it doesn't take away his ability to become
Speaker 1: a free agent next year. Right, So I mean that
Speaker 1: seems like a way that you can lessen the impact
Speaker 1: on the salary cap this year, which will allow there
Speaker 1: may be some rule on how many years you have
Speaker 1: to sign somebody to get avoidable, but you might be
Speaker 1: able to do that. Well, go ahead, Bill, all right,
Speaker 1: that's why that's why I graduated from law school in
Speaker 1: one month. Got the hell out of there about Terren Steele.
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? What about Terren Steele? And
Speaker 1: how it? Let's say, obviously they want to they want
Speaker 1: to get a long term or a multi year deal
Speaker 1: with Terren Steele right now, right, I'd love to. So
Speaker 1: what would be a workable contract there from both sides? Well,
Speaker 1: once again, somehow he's got to make four point three
Speaker 1: million this year, yea, So now you got to give
Speaker 1: him something up front. Now, they've done this before with
Speaker 1: other guys, and I was thinking that they did it
Speaker 1: with a a safety one year. Instead of making two
Speaker 1: million over the tender front restricted ten ure in one year,
Speaker 1: they gave him like four over two and spread it
Speaker 1: out where they gave him some signing bonus. We played
Speaker 1: this game last year, last week or two weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and did it like my idea, which was did I
Speaker 1: say it was for steel, Yes, for steel, like sign
Speaker 1: them to a three year deal for twelve million dollars
Speaker 1: y like that and give them six million up front. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it spread it out over keeping Lyle Collins. Last
Speaker 1: year it was reported as a three year, thirty million
Speaker 1: dollars deal with Cincinnati. It was really two years twenty million. Okay,
Speaker 1: So that was the going rate last year for a
Speaker 1: right tackle, so ten million dollars a year. So would
Speaker 1: you do two years twenty million dollars some other tarring?
Speaker 1: Would some other team do that? Or they would probably
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys would for a secondly match two
Speaker 1: years twenty million. But would another team go three years
Speaker 1: forty five million? Not coming off an a cl Yeah,
Speaker 1: that always complicates thing. And that's exactly why players don't
Speaker 1: like playing the final year of their contract without anything
Speaker 1: guaranteed going forward. That's why they want to negotiate. And
Speaker 1: that's what's going to happen with um CDE lamb right, Well,
Speaker 1: they'll pick up is fifty right, so that will be
Speaker 1: next year's problem. But tray Bond Diggs is going again
Speaker 1: into the final year of his contract and don't. I
Speaker 1: don't like going into it either. I wouldn't at this stage,
Speaker 1: you know, because once that contract is up. First of all,
Speaker 1: it's very tense between management and player when you're in
Speaker 1: that last year of your contract. I just don't like
Speaker 1: that kind of drama around the locker room. If you
Speaker 1: can get rid of that right away, then get rid
Speaker 1: of it. You did it with Romo, you did it
Speaker 1: with Troy, You did it with so many different players
Speaker 1: that you feel comfortable with it. You know we're going
Speaker 1: to be your guys. And if you if you let
Speaker 1: that go out to the last year, then yeah, you
Speaker 1: look at it. Lamar Jackson thing to where now I'm
Speaker 1: feeling unappreciated and now the pressure is on because everyone
Speaker 1: knows I feel and appreciate it, and Maasmin is ducking
Speaker 1: from answering questions. I'm saying, I'm, you know, powering because
Speaker 1: my lips dragging the ground because I don't have my money.
Speaker 1: So if you think about it, it it happened to how
Speaker 1: many guys this year? It happened to Steal got hurt
Speaker 1: final year of his contract. Happened to Pollard got hurt
Speaker 1: final year of his contract, happened to Anthony Brown, got hurt,
Speaker 1: final year of his contract happened to Donothan Wilson, although
Speaker 1: he didn't finally the same extent. It wasn't the yeah
Speaker 1: he played through. I mean that was the most games
Speaker 1: he started in a single season, but it could have.
Speaker 1: And then look what happens. The last thing you want
Speaker 1: to do is be unrestricted free agent coming off. And
Speaker 1: that's it, man, because you've got no It's like trying
Speaker 1: to sell a house when they're repairing something, right, and
Speaker 1: it's like you got us for sale signing. Then you've
Speaker 1: got a construction guy doing something thing back a year ago,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup and Michael Gallup the same thing got a
Speaker 1: contract here. Yeah, and so that's why that's why, um
Speaker 1: now Cooper's gone. Yeah. Right, Well Jerry, Jerry talked about
Speaker 1: that for five minutes at least, and everybody but no
Speaker 1: one asked him the question it was if he knows?
Speaker 1: He said, yeah, I heard I heard Steven answer that question.
Speaker 1: He goes, and I don't have to speak for for Steven.
Speaker 1: He goes, but I think, but I think I am.
Speaker 1: It created some things that just weren't accurate. So I
Speaker 1: thought i'd clear those up without you asking me? Did
Speaker 1: uh yeah, because he made he made mention by doing that.
Speaker 1: Then they saved money for this year and next year.
Speaker 1: And you gotta rely young guys to come through you Still,
Speaker 1: it's like what the snake eating his own tail, you know.
Speaker 1: But he didn't. But he did not rule out. He
Speaker 1: did not rule out signing a prominent free agent if
Speaker 1: it fits right, and he would spend whatever that needed
Speaker 1: to free agent work to make it. He didn't say
Speaker 1: the position better than not say the position? Well, what
Speaker 1: do we need? Wide receiver? Okay, come on, cornerbacks, the
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Speaker 1: That's the first time. Okaya. The last few minutes here
Speaker 1: of mix shots, and we had the breaking news earlier
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are placing the franchise tag on Tony Pollard.
Speaker 1: B Jean Robinson had a pretty good combine weekend. It
Speaker 1: appeared he Texas running back who won the dok Walker
Speaker 1: Award four four six. I saw that. Yeah, that's running back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's a true time. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: somebody won. Somebody else ran faster among the running backs.
Speaker 1: I think so. But um, Daniel Jeremiah, the NFL Network
Speaker 1: has him ranked as the number his number four overall
Speaker 1: player in this draft. Bijon Robinson not the number four
Speaker 1: running back, Number four overall player running backs these days,
Speaker 1: so behind Carter. I didn't look at this list, okay,
Speaker 1: but I just know he was number four, So I
Speaker 1: to your point, all right, not supposed to draft running
Speaker 1: backs that high anymore? Right, No way makes it to
Speaker 1: twenty six, right, I don't think so. He said. He
Speaker 1: gave him the same grade as Christian McCaffrey, who went
Speaker 1: number eight to Carolina. So's he's that good of a
Speaker 1: receiver as a running he is a good receiver. I thought.
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones had an interesting comment on that early in
Speaker 1: the week last week when he was asked about drafting
Speaker 1: or running back in the first round, and he said, well,
Speaker 1: normally you have eighteen to twenty first round grades in
Speaker 1: a draft, and so by time you get to twenty six,
Speaker 1: chances are you know you're not going to have one there,
Speaker 1: So basically what he's saying, if he took a running
Speaker 1: back at twenty six, it's almost like taking a second
Speaker 1: round a second round guy, which you could you can qualify.
Speaker 1: But he prior to that said that your first round picks,
Speaker 1: you would like them to play on their second contract.
Speaker 1: And he said a lot of times running backs don't
Speaker 1: last that to play through two contracts, which is unusual
Speaker 1: because they don't use him as much as they used to, right,
Speaker 1: so you would think they have the more longevity. And
Speaker 1: so that, you know, I'm sure that got everybody thinking, okay,
Speaker 1: but Zeke got his second contract and look at him.
Speaker 1: I still don't think he's fallen off. I think number
Speaker 1: one he played through something. In number two, the running
Speaker 1: game just broke down, meaning what was went on on
Speaker 1: the offensive line now we'll see because they've changed running
Speaker 1: back coach and they changed offensive line coaches, So and
Speaker 1: who's setting up maybe the run scheme with McCarthy now
Speaker 1: kind of the offensive coordinator slash play caller. So that
Speaker 1: goes back to what I was talking about earlier about
Speaker 1: it wasn't their inability to run the ball enough. They
Speaker 1: just didn't run it well enough. And that's what's got
Speaker 1: to improve somehow, some way. Fastest running back was man
Speaker 1: from Texas A and m oh that's right, h che
Speaker 1: eh Chaney three two wow. Like ever since reaction, I
Speaker 1: went to wish that you be able to you know what,
Speaker 1: and I finally got to see him play in person
Speaker 1: because I went to the A and m LSU game.
Speaker 1: He's faster than that. I mean just watching him in person. Boy,
Speaker 1: when he gets to the edge or gets a crease,
Speaker 1: he's like a jet just shot right out of a cannon.
Speaker 1: And even the quarterback from Florida ran well, yes, he did.
Speaker 1: Richardson four four and he uh, he's six four, two
Speaker 1: hundred forty four. I saw Vince I thought he was
Speaker 1: and a half and at ten too in college record setting.
Speaker 1: So you think Bryce Young's gonna get knocked down because
Speaker 1: he's only five ten and a half or five ten
Speaker 1: and a quarter I do. I do. It's a shame too.
Speaker 1: He'd looking good well, I mean, like you think of
Speaker 1: Drew Brees every time I see him. I think of
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. How tall do you think the tc By
Speaker 1: the way, the TCU quarterback Max Duggin ran a four
Speaker 1: or five two, No way, yes, sah miss that one.
Speaker 1: How tall do you think he is? Five eight? No,
Speaker 1: he looks very six six six one, six one and
Speaker 1: a half. Yeah, this bild up was like five eight.
Speaker 1: That's doable. Yeah, you can go six one and a half,
Speaker 1: I said, Drew Breese did it, and he threw down
Speaker 1: the mahomes can't be much taller than six one. Huh,
Speaker 1: mahomes about about sixty three? Is he that tall? Okay up,
Speaker 1: I'll look him up, you vamp and I'll look him up.
Speaker 1: I was, and we get the official number at the
Speaker 1: combine when he But again with with with these, with
Speaker 1: these guys, it depends on what offense you're gonna Are
Speaker 1: you gonna run an offense conducive to a quarterback that side?
Speaker 1: It has to right. You have to come right. You
Speaker 1: have to you have to change your off six two
Speaker 1: six two and one eighth two hundred and twenty five pounds.
Speaker 1: That's the other part of it. Much taller than that,
Speaker 1: that's the That's the other part of it is how
Speaker 1: much weight are you carrying? Dirty? Yeah, that's what I
Speaker 1: like about Anthony Richardson two hundred and forty four pounds,
Speaker 1: the kid from TCU he's he's pretty stout for a Well,
Speaker 1: what about Hurts Hurts is? Yeah, how tall do you
Speaker 1: think Hurts is? I was gonna say six one, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say six feet he's I think he's six one,
Speaker 1: six one two twenty three. No, you can do it
Speaker 1: anytime over six feet. Yeah, I think you're good. You
Speaker 1: just gotta make sure if you're taking the guy, then
Speaker 1: you gottajus to have to just how you don't say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm taking this guy and I'm running Troy Aikman's off right,
Speaker 1: can't do it? Okay, producer Supreme just inform me and
Speaker 1: I'm now looking at it. That What do you think
Speaker 1: Mahomes ran his forty time at the combine? Four seven?
Speaker 1: You said, yeah, four six, you got four seven, four eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he really don't play four. I've seen him. No one
Speaker 1: has caught him from behind. They have not. Here's why
Speaker 1: you do the other drills. Guess what is three cone drill?
Speaker 1: Was I have? If you're under seven, that's good Like
Speaker 1: for DeMarcus ware was a was a six eight six
Speaker 1: or something like that, and Mahomes was six eight eight. Wow.
Speaker 1: That shows that little quickness, you know, scrambling around the pocket.
Speaker 1: That that is a sign of that right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't want your quarterback running forty yards, but you
Speaker 1: do want him to be nifty in the pocket, right right. Feet, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me see the feet. I thought about that. Yep.
Speaker 1: My great uncle told me when here's a wide receiver
Speaker 1: for go ahead. I was just gonna say. My great
Speaker 1: aunt had really bad feet towards the end, and he
Speaker 1: told me, when I go look for a wife, make
Speaker 1: sure she has good feet. So I was thinking about quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: make sure they have good feet. He just did want
Speaker 1: to have to help somebody out, like he had to
Speaker 1: help her walk at the on and age you want
Speaker 1: to end on that, I don't know. We could get
Speaker 1: into Michael Parsons, Jackson Smith, and Jigba wide receiver, Ohio
Speaker 1: State from Rockwall. Yes, okay, he was injured this year
Speaker 1: at a hamstring injury. Missed most all of last season.
Speaker 1: I mean he just went off at the Rose Bowl
Speaker 1: the year before. Whatever. He's a guy to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on his three cone six to five seven. Wow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm and he's put together. I'm bigger before we go.
Speaker 1: Bryce Young five ten, Kyler Murray five ten, Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: six feet, Russell Wilson five eleven, Drew Brees six feet.
Speaker 1: Pretty good quarterbacks. I love him short, except for the
Speaker 1: Oklahoma ones. I know you're gonna I almost left him
Speaker 1: off the list just to rid us a smart as
Speaker 1: comments I was being negative towards Oklahoma. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: doesn't end with that. Okay, you know what next week is.
Speaker 1: It's the start of NFL free agency. You have to
Speaker 1: listen next Monday. See you later, Go Cowboys. This has
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