Speaker 1: From UFOs two, Ghosts and government cover ups. History is
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Speaker 1: welcome to the show. My name is Matt and my
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Speaker 1: A couple of notes, and this is stuff they don't
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Speaker 1: to you with our super producer Noel from the bunker
Speaker 1: at How Stuff Works. Hey, did you hear his voice
Speaker 1: in the beginnings. Yeah, that's the guy at the end
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Speaker 1: more canned goods, some lead shielding. Maybe put this, uh
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Speaker 1: we talking about Bunker's great question for any one who
Speaker 1: happened not to read the title of the episode, Uh,
Speaker 1: this is our show Notes episode on secret nuclear weapons,
Speaker 1: secret nuclear weapons programs? Or what did you say before? Alleged? Right? Yes,
Speaker 1: we okay, yes, to be absolutely fair, and thank you
Speaker 1: for making that point, Matt, we will need to say
Speaker 1: allegedly at nauseum throughout this podcast. And why do we
Speaker 1: need to do that? Well, we need to do that
Speaker 1: because there are still some countries that allegedly finger quote
Speaker 1: feel the finger quotes when I say this, allegedly have
Speaker 1: That's fine, I'm sorry, it's happening. Deal with it. And
Speaker 1: the number one thing that we found when we looked
Speaker 1: at secret nukes in our video episode was that, um,
Speaker 1: it's more common than people have thought originally. Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's it's a sought after thing. It's nuclear power
Speaker 1: basically gives you a card to play against any other
Speaker 1: state that would want to maybe bully you a little bit.
Speaker 1: And when you've got that card to play, you know,
Speaker 1: by the way, we have nukes, even if they have nukes,
Speaker 1: it's that mutually assured destruction that it really kind of
Speaker 1: helps you sit at a diplomatic table more than just
Speaker 1: getting pushed around. Yes. In uh theories about international politics,
Speaker 1: this strategy is called deterrence, the idea that if you
Speaker 1: and I met are two separate antagonistic countries, um, and
Speaker 1: we may or may not have some sort of beef
Speaker 1: that could result in a war, we will we will
Speaker 1: be less likely to engage in any kind of conflict
Speaker 1: with each other because we both have the the real
Speaker 1: life version of the ultimate nullifier. And that is for
Speaker 1: the Fantastic Four fans out there, sorry movies, yeah, hey,
Speaker 1: thank you, But point being the idea that having such
Speaker 1: a potentially dangerous weapon. UH could dissuade people from invading
Speaker 1: or uh engaging economic terrorism, Uh, simply by virtue of
Speaker 1: having this nuclear weapon. Uh. It's it's tremendously tempting for
Speaker 1: every head of state, from a dictator two a democratically
Speaker 1: elected president. And we've been in this position, been for
Speaker 1: quite a while now, where all of these there are
Speaker 1: many countries that do have nuclear technology and weaponry, and
Speaker 1: a lot of them are allied on different sides. You know,
Speaker 1: you go back to the Cold War, of course, and
Speaker 1: you look at how many times we've been close to
Speaker 1: destroying the pretty much humanity life on Earth, at least
Speaker 1: for a while. H um, and it makes you, it
Speaker 1: makes you think, right now, how close are we to
Speaker 1: getting to that point again, to getting to the point
Speaker 1: where the doomsday clock is a few minutes I believe
Speaker 1: it was at five minutes away last time I checked
Speaker 1: it last last week. Yeah, Matt checks the doomsday clock
Speaker 1: with an alarming regularity. Yeah, I've gotten I think I've
Speaker 1: got some kind of update through my email. Um. All right,
Speaker 1: so this this is a great point. We've set the
Speaker 1: scene and we know why countries want nuclear weapons. We
Speaker 1: also know implicitly why other countries don't want countries to
Speaker 1: have nuclear weapons. So, first, the the only um, the
Speaker 1: only documented use of nuclear weaponry in warfare is the
Speaker 1: United States in Japan and World War Two and Hiroshima
Speaker 1: and Nagasaki, and just that alone, um change change the world.
Speaker 1: This this tremendous Uh, it's an atrocity. There's no way
Speaker 1: to say it, the other way to say it, because
Speaker 1: it was collective punishment, you know, in a in this
Speaker 1: innocence were killed. And this goes to um the dark
Speaker 1: history of the nuclear weapon because at the same time,
Speaker 1: with such a horrible, indiscriminate, monstrous thing, uh, there comes
Speaker 1: such power. And we know that if you are a
Speaker 1: nation that's trying to establish hegemony, you know, some sort
Speaker 1: of sovereignty over region, then you don't want other nations
Speaker 1: to have nuclear power because again, as going to your
Speaker 1: earlier point, they'll be at the table. So we learned
Speaker 1: some interesting stuff when we looked at this video episode,
Speaker 1: because we found out that quite a few countries got
Speaker 1: close to building a weapon and didn't, and quite a
Speaker 1: few countries also struck some faustium bargains. Know, they make
Speaker 1: some deals with the devil quote unquote in order to
Speaker 1: acquire nuclear weaponry UM. For instance, we know that people
Speaker 1: with countries with admitted nuclear programs France, Russia, China, the
Speaker 1: United States, UM, the UK couple others, and those are
Speaker 1: some of the world powers that we hear about the most. Also,
Speaker 1: we know now that Pakistan and India and North Korea
Speaker 1: have nuclear programs, but those used to be secret. We
Speaker 1: also well North Korea's was always kind of an advertising thing.
Speaker 1: We also know that UM these the there's a bustling
Speaker 1: underground nuclear knowledge black market, right. We know that Libya
Speaker 1: and South Africa UH either got close to or even
Speaker 1: completed building nuclear weaponry UM before they stepped down. We
Speaker 1: of course know that the worst kept secret in the
Speaker 1: international community is Israel's nuclear arsenal, which people UM you know,
Speaker 1: the israel government. Israeli government officially neither confirms nor denies,
Speaker 1: but we do know one guy who leaked it to
Speaker 1: the world, a guy named Mordechai Mordechai vanuw Knew who's
Speaker 1: He went to prison in nineteen six for leaking information
Speaker 1: about their nuclear program and he's still to this day
Speaker 1: not allowed to leave. He is allowed to leave the country.
Speaker 1: And I think it was in May of this year,
Speaker 1: whoever decides put off his ability to leave the country
Speaker 1: again another year. And I think that's just what's been
Speaker 1: happening now. Every year gets pushed back and push back
Speaker 1: and push back. He's got a website you can go
Speaker 1: to if you're interested in him. UM, just search for
Speaker 1: Mordecai Mordechai van new New and I think we mentioned
Speaker 1: we mentioned him in our episode as well. Um. The
Speaker 1: next the next step that we have with which I'd
Speaker 1: love to do an update on sometime in the future,
Speaker 1: is Iran's nuclear program. Is it possible, for instance, that
Speaker 1: Iran has already built a bomb? Now I don't think so,
Speaker 1: because I think it would be announced. Um, I think,
Speaker 1: uh yeah at some point. I mean, think about it.
Speaker 1: The United States has Iran surrounded by military bases, and
Speaker 1: I guess it is that card that you would be
Speaker 1: able to play. You want people to know you have
Speaker 1: that card in your hand and you are literally surrounded,
Speaker 1: backed into a corner as it were. Uh, then then
Speaker 1: I could see the motivation. But uh, the biggest question
Speaker 1: that I have to ask you is after we found
Speaker 1: out about the secret nukes stuff and shady characters like A. Q.
Speaker 1: Cohn Uh, here's the big question. Do you think the
Speaker 1: world should have nuclear weapons? I don't know that you
Speaker 1: can answer that question, because obviously you shouldn't. I don't
Speaker 1: think you should having that kind of power, with the
Speaker 1: kind of power hungry people that run the world a
Speaker 1: lot of times, not always, but a lot of times. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's obviously dangerous. Um, but there's no there's no way
Speaker 1: going back now. They exist. And I mean even if
Speaker 1: we all decide through the UN or some other organizations
Speaker 1: organization to destroy all the nukes, then somebody is going
Speaker 1: to keep nukes. You know, somebody will. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Sorry, I know that's a
Speaker 1: pessimistic way to look at it, but I think it's
Speaker 1: a realistic way to look at it. The only way
Speaker 1: that people wouldn't keep nukes is if there were some
Speaker 1: overarching authority that does not exist at this time that
Speaker 1: would prevent it from happening. The U N has no
Speaker 1: ability to prevent that. Um. You know, the the UN
Speaker 1: is a good idea, but it doesn't It doesn't do
Speaker 1: as much as one would imagine. Right, Somebody just got
Speaker 1: really mad at you for saying UN is a good idea.
Speaker 1: In theory, I agree completely. I completely agree in theory.
Speaker 1: In theory, direct democracy and representative democracy are both good ideas,
Speaker 1: and so as communism. You know what, in theory, I
Speaker 1: bet a strawberry pudding pop is a good idea, but
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure to be gross. I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: there's a difference between theory and practice. So in theory,
Speaker 1: while UM the u N is a different episode, and
Speaker 1: I'd love to do that. But the point being is
Speaker 1: that through these numerous agencies, the UN does not have
Speaker 1: the ability to enforce um as as much as people
Speaker 1: might wish. With nuclear weaponry, on both sides of the fence,
Speaker 1: you know, on both the sides of people who think
Speaker 1: that they should have UM less oversight on their nuclear programs.
Speaker 1: RAN comes up again there, UM to people who think
Speaker 1: that there should be more oversight across the board. UM.
Speaker 1: We have to we have to point out though, that
Speaker 1: the stuff we we learned about nuclear weaponry in this
Speaker 1: podcast UM and in our video episode told us some
Speaker 1: very interesting stuff. There may be nuclear weapon stockpiles in
Speaker 1: unidentified areas of the world, in foreign soil. So imagine,
Speaker 1: you know, some tiny island in the Indian ocean and
Speaker 1: the South Pacific open up. If there's ever a massive war,
Speaker 1: it just starts flinging missiles right like the rockets, like
Speaker 1: the thing that's pretty much a nuclear test. Excuse me.
Speaker 1: Alleged nuclear tests, the Veil and sit in which we
Speaker 1: cover in another video UM, and the Vela incident. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Matt, could you describe it. It was an
Speaker 1: alleged test. It wasn't proven. At least nobody would say
Speaker 1: that it was definitely a nuclear test that happened. It
Speaker 1: happened in the middle of the ocean. There's a huge
Speaker 1: variance of where it could have been, something like three
Speaker 1: three thousand radius three is that true? If grousing kilometer
Speaker 1: radius kilometer radius, Yeah, that's a huge area. But it
Speaker 1: was a satellite that picked up the double flash, UM
Speaker 1: and this was a satellite that had, you know, detected
Speaker 1: lots of other tests, and it was the first time
Speaker 1: that I guess it was controversial that it picked up
Speaker 1: a flash. But they don't. They didn't think, well, maybe
Speaker 1: it's not a flash. How did we have how do
Speaker 1: we say, were careful as we said this in the
Speaker 1: episode UM or the vlog we did about it, we said, uh, Okay,
Speaker 1: according to the official story, they this is not a
Speaker 1: nuclear test, uh, which would mean that this is the
Speaker 1: first and the only time that any of the Vala
Speaker 1: satellites because they are multiple ones, have ever been wrong
Speaker 1: about this and the other proposed alternatives that could have
Speaker 1: given false positives for nuclear tests meteorite hitting the satellite,
Speaker 1: which is you have better odds of winning the lottery. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is literally billions and billions to one. But who
Speaker 1: knows again, posible possible? Well, yeah, they the documents that
Speaker 1: I was reading, the highly redacted documents that we actually
Speaker 1: show in the video that I was reading through seem
Speaker 1: to suggest that they they were really looking at South
Speaker 1: Africa and their program at the time and possibly working
Speaker 1: with Israel for a joint test. But again, there's so
Speaker 1: much redacted material in there that probably has more of
Speaker 1: the definitive answer to what they think. Um, but what
Speaker 1: we're not going to know, Well, I think now it's
Speaker 1: it's one of those open secrets. As time passes, you'll
Speaker 1: you'll see a lot of credible journalism that talks about
Speaker 1: Israel are not Israel, but South Africa's program wherein they
Speaker 1: did successfully build weapons, and people do think that they
Speaker 1: were the primary tester. Um. You hear people bring up
Speaker 1: the bring up Israel, bring up other partner countries that
Speaker 1: might be evolved, you know, like maybe France or um,
Speaker 1: i mean not India, but things like that. And this
Speaker 1: brings us to one of my favorite things that we
Speaker 1: didn't really get to talk about in the video, which
Speaker 1: is secret nuclear strategies. UM. The thing is that a
Speaker 1: lot of countries that have nuclear weapons that that are known,
Speaker 1: they they vary in their policy toward these weapons. France
Speaker 1: has this h if we're attacked, everybody is a target policy.
Speaker 1: So if we're attacked with a nuclear weapon, everybody, everybody
Speaker 1: is a potential target. Everybody gets a new let's call
Speaker 1: it the Oprah style. That's exactly what it is. And
Speaker 1: then UM, there are rumors that Israel has the Sampson option,
Speaker 1: which is UM, which is a similar retaliatory plan on all.
Speaker 1: All of the countries that have nuclear weapons, thank goodness,
Speaker 1: have a stated uh no first strike policy. UM. Nobody
Speaker 1: wants to be the person who drops one of those first,
Speaker 1: but everybody wants to be able to respond in kind. UM.
Speaker 1: The United States has a policy similar to that. UM.
Speaker 1: One of my favorites Um, is the dead hand? Do
Speaker 1: you remember that one? That sounds really familiar. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have to enlighten me. So it's the it's the Russian policy.
Speaker 1: You remember this one that where wherein this came from
Speaker 1: the Cold War, And the alleged strategy is this that
Speaker 1: there was a system in place in Soviet Russia where
Speaker 1: in an attack, a nuclear attack that wiped out Moscow,
Speaker 1: wiped out all of the power centers, right, Uh, would
Speaker 1: trigger an automatic launch of all nuclear weaponry. So it's
Speaker 1: like a dead man. Yeah, you've seen that before, right,
Speaker 1: everybody listening, where you're holding the control mechanism in your
Speaker 1: hand and if you get shot, when your hand releases
Speaker 1: it, it it goes off. Yes, And the idea of that
Speaker 1: is just so fatalistic and frightening. It really is frightening. Um,
Speaker 1: he was kind of smart. I don't know, and I
Speaker 1: know it's messed up, but well, yeah, I mean they're
Speaker 1: not you. You don't make these kind of policies worried about,
Speaker 1: you know, making friends, because country states don't have friends,
Speaker 1: they have interests, right, And Um, it's definitely a chest
Speaker 1: out policy like it. Yes, and and uh, you know
Speaker 1: North Korea has been accused of having a nuclear policy
Speaker 1: that is entirely based on gaining aid. You know, will
Speaker 1: detonate this bomb, help us, will let's have some negotiations
Speaker 1: and we need more food or aid of some sort,
Speaker 1: and then will pretend to negotiate away our nuclear capability.
Speaker 1: It's another thing, very very few countries will give away
Speaker 1: their nuclear ability um or concede that ability once they
Speaker 1: gain it. South Africa being a notable exception. Um, I
Speaker 1: guess at this point, I've got I gotta ask you,
Speaker 1: do you think it's possible that there could be a
Speaker 1: country now that has nuclear weapons that no one knows about. Ah,
Speaker 1: that's tough because you can see now if there's a well,
Speaker 1: it is possible if it was if they were just
Speaker 1: brought in, like perhaps they didn't enrich the uranium on
Speaker 1: their own at a facility inside whatever country we're talking about. Um,
Speaker 1: if they just had them smuggled in, then sure. But
Speaker 1: I think if you are enriching uranium in a country somewhere,
Speaker 1: somebody is going to do it. Somebody knows about it.
Speaker 1: With satellite technology, now, I mean you need a fairly
Speaker 1: big facility to do that. Okay, that makes sense. So
Speaker 1: I guess what you're saying then, is if there was
Speaker 1: a I don't know, US or French owned nuclear arsenal
Speaker 1: based in a different country, like in Sri Lanka or
Speaker 1: Kazakhstan or something like that, then there could be nuclear
Speaker 1: power there that we are not aware of. But for
Speaker 1: the mest stickley produced stuff, people will find out about it,
Speaker 1: I think definitely. Okay, I gotta ask you this too.
Speaker 1: This is just pure speculation at the end, all right,
Speaker 1: just it's just your your total opinion. All right, let's
Speaker 1: do it. Do you think Iran is once a nuclear bomb?
Speaker 1: Do you think they'll make it? I would say it
Speaker 1: again just from what we've been discussing, the how they're
Speaker 1: cornered where they are, Um, I think it's probably it's
Speaker 1: so weird they're in such a strange place because they
Speaker 1: kind of need one, uh, they kind of need one
Speaker 1: for protection. But then diplomatically, it's such a bad move
Speaker 1: right now, it seems like it would be the secret route.
Speaker 1: If if I was if I was in Iran, I
Speaker 1: would go the secret route. I would try and use
Speaker 1: my allies to get weapons without doing it on my own. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, the newest president of Iran is supposedly, uh,
Speaker 1: striking a more conciliatory tone with Washington. But you don't,
Speaker 1: don't do you think that Iran would attack different countries,
Speaker 1: because usually what's being drummed up here is the idea
Speaker 1: that Iran would um attack Israel primarily right, also possibly um,
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, right, becausiness old Sunni Shias men. There's so much,
Speaker 1: so much of that to me as smoking mirrors, um
Speaker 1: from the people that want that land, want to control
Speaker 1: that area, and you know don't want they are a threat, right,
Speaker 1: I mean the control the strait of hormones. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: and that sounds like a story for another day. Of course,
Speaker 1: we are talking about one of the biggest choke points
Speaker 1: for the petroleum trade in the world. Um. Quick myth
Speaker 1: busting on that one. Although something a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't know that you and I only learned in the
Speaker 1: course of the show. Uh. The United States does not
Speaker 1: get the majority of its oil from the Middle East.
Speaker 1: Don't believe the hype of the United States. Uh, products
Speaker 1: of that sort come from Canada. Canada is our largest
Speaker 1: foreign supplier of petroleum or natural as a petroleum and
Speaker 1: natural gas or something like that. Fossil fuels. Let's just
Speaker 1: make an umbrella term um and we're going to head out.
Speaker 1: We would like to hear what you think about nuclear weapons.
Speaker 1: Is it possible that all of the world's nuclear weapons
Speaker 1: would be dismantled? Should they be? We think there's no
Speaker 1: way it's gonna happen. Yeah, if you have a good
Speaker 1: idea for that, please let us know, send it to
Speaker 1: the u n Send that idea wherever you can, because
Speaker 1: kind of maybe we need that to happen. There might
Speaker 1: be a big step for humanity. Now, no one's gonna listen. Next.
Speaker 1: Uh my prediction for next secret nukes base the Moon?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, dude, come on, that's gonna be so
Speaker 1: much fun. The nuclear battles that occur on the surface
Speaker 1: of the Moon fun. Huh oh yeah, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: lots of fun. Moons a small place, man, I know
Speaker 1: it would be a it would be a one punch battle.
Speaker 1: I kind of want to see what happens with a
Speaker 1: nuke on the surface of the Moon, just from a
Speaker 1: gravity standpoint, and I'm interested. That's some apocalyptic stuff, my friend.
Speaker 1: I've been playing way too much fall Out lately. I mean,
Speaker 1: the the seas, the rivers, the tides. Oh man, I
Speaker 1: hope that doesn't happen, but we live in a time
Speaker 1: where things like that could completely happen. So let's make
Speaker 1: the most of the time we have. Uh, Matt, is
Speaker 1: this episode coming out before the end of the year, Yes, sir,
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