1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, Ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Greetings everyone, 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: welcome to the show. My name is Matt and my 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: name is Ben, and I've got my rock star right here. 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: A couple of notes, and this is stuff they don't 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: want you to know. Yes, and today we are coming 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: to you with our super producer Noel from the bunker 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: at How Stuff Works. Hey, did you hear his voice 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: in the beginnings. Yeah, that's the guy at the end 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: as well. Sometimes that's right enough to hear him. Uh. Yes. So, 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: in addition to being the producer and making so many 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: excellent edits to all of the audio podcast everything you 14 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: know what, Noel is also a bass player and he's 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: kind of awesome. So you should check this out. Blue 16 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: Bloods from Atlanta and Brothers from Atlanta. It's really awesome. 17 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: And they're both from Athens, Georgia. Excuse me, not Atlanta, Georgia. 18 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: One am I thinking you ruined Christmas? Yeah? So, in 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 1: addition to recording all of the audio podcasts four House 20 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: Stuff Works, Nol is building a bunker here in our 21 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: audio studio. Now, when we say bunker, we mean we 22 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: have to have some sound insulation here, uh, to keep 23 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: the video studio in the audio studio from leaking into 24 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,559 Speaker 1: each other. Um, We've gotta work on the roof and stuff. 25 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: Yeah it's uh, it's pretty nice in here. Man. It's 26 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: a fixture rubber. But I'm liking it. Um. I think 27 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: maybe we need some more ammunition. Um, could use some 28 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: more canned goods, some lead shielding. Maybe put this, uh 29 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: a couple of clicks underground. Yeah, very possible. I don't 30 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: think we can build it closes under But why are 31 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: we talking about Bunker's great question for any one who 32 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: happened not to read the title of the episode, Uh, 33 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: this is our show Notes episode on secret nuclear weapons, 34 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: secret nuclear weapons programs? Or what did you say before? Alleged? Right? Yes, 35 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: we okay, yes, to be absolutely fair, and thank you 36 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: for making that point, Matt, we will need to say 37 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: allegedly at nauseum throughout this podcast. And why do we 38 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: need to do that? Well, we need to do that 39 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: because there are still some countries that allegedly finger quote 40 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: feel the finger quotes when I say this, allegedly have 41 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: That's fine, I'm sorry, it's happening. Deal with it. And 42 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: the number one thing that we found when we looked 43 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: at secret nukes in our video episode was that, um, 44 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: it's more common than people have thought originally. Right, yeah, 45 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: well it's it's a sought after thing. It's nuclear power 46 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: basically gives you a card to play against any other 47 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: state that would want to maybe bully you a little bit. 48 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: And when you've got that card to play, you know, 49 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: by the way, we have nukes, even if they have nukes, 50 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: it's that mutually assured destruction that it really kind of 51 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: helps you sit at a diplomatic table more than just 52 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: getting pushed around. Yes. In uh theories about international politics, 53 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: this strategy is called deterrence, the idea that if you 54 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: and I met are two separate antagonistic countries, um, and 55 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: we may or may not have some sort of beef 56 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 1: that could result in a war, we will we will 57 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: be less likely to engage in any kind of conflict 58 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: with each other because we both have the the real 59 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: life version of the ultimate nullifier. And that is for 60 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: the Fantastic Four fans out there, sorry movies, yeah, hey, 61 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: thank you, But point being the idea that having such 62 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: a potentially dangerous weapon. UH could dissuade people from invading 63 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: or uh engaging economic terrorism, Uh, simply by virtue of 64 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: having this nuclear weapon. Uh. It's it's tremendously tempting for 65 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: every head of state, from a dictator two a democratically 66 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: elected president. And we've been in this position, been for 67 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: quite a while now, where all of these there are 68 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: many countries that do have nuclear technology and weaponry, and 69 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: a lot of them are allied on different sides. You know, 70 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: you go back to the Cold War, of course, and 71 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: you look at how many times we've been close to 72 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: destroying the pretty much humanity life on Earth, at least 73 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: for a while. H um, and it makes you, it 74 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: makes you think, right now, how close are we to 75 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: getting to that point again, to getting to the point 76 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: where the doomsday clock is a few minutes I believe 77 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: it was at five minutes away last time I checked 78 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: it last last week. Yeah, Matt checks the doomsday clock 79 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: with an alarming regularity. Yeah, I've gotten I think I've 80 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: got some kind of update through my email. Um. All right, 81 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: so this this is a great point. We've set the 82 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: scene and we know why countries want nuclear weapons. We 83 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: also know implicitly why other countries don't want countries to 84 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: have nuclear weapons. So, first, the the only um, the 85 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: only documented use of nuclear weaponry in warfare is the 86 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: United States in Japan and World War Two and Hiroshima 87 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: and Nagasaki, and just that alone, um change change the world. 88 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: This this tremendous Uh, it's an atrocity. There's no way 89 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: to say it, the other way to say it, because 90 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: it was collective punishment, you know, in a in this 91 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: innocence were killed. And this goes to um the dark 92 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: history of the nuclear weapon because at the same time, 93 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: with such a horrible, indiscriminate, monstrous thing, uh, there comes 94 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: such power. And we know that if you are a 95 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: nation that's trying to establish hegemony, you know, some sort 96 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: of sovereignty over region, then you don't want other nations 97 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: to have nuclear power because again, as going to your 98 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: earlier point, they'll be at the table. So we learned 99 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: some interesting stuff when we looked at this video episode, 100 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,679 Speaker 1: because we found out that quite a few countries got 101 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: close to building a weapon and didn't, and quite a 102 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: few countries also struck some faustium bargains. Know, they make 103 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: some deals with the devil quote unquote in order to 104 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: acquire nuclear weaponry UM. For instance, we know that people 105 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: with countries with admitted nuclear programs France, Russia, China, the 106 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: United States, UM, the UK couple others, and those are 107 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: some of the world powers that we hear about the most. Also, 108 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: we know now that Pakistan and India and North Korea 109 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: have nuclear programs, but those used to be secret. We 110 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: also well North Korea's was always kind of an advertising thing. 111 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: We also know that UM these the there's a bustling 112 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: underground nuclear knowledge black market, right. We know that Libya 113 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: and South Africa UH either got close to or even 114 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: completed building nuclear weaponry UM before they stepped down. We 115 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: of course know that the worst kept secret in the 116 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: international community is Israel's nuclear arsenal, which people UM you know, 117 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: the israel government. Israeli government officially neither confirms nor denies, 118 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: but we do know one guy who leaked it to 119 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: the world, a guy named Mordechai Mordechai vanuw Knew who's 120 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: He went to prison in nineteen six for leaking information 121 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: about their nuclear program and he's still to this day 122 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: not allowed to leave. He is allowed to leave the country. 123 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: And I think it was in May of this year, 124 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: whoever decides put off his ability to leave the country 125 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: again another year. And I think that's just what's been 126 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: happening now. Every year gets pushed back and push back 127 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: and push back. He's got a website you can go 128 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: to if you're interested in him. UM, just search for 129 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: Mordecai Mordechai van new New and I think we mentioned 130 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: we mentioned him in our episode as well. Um. The 131 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: next the next step that we have with which I'd 132 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: love to do an update on sometime in the future, 133 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: is Iran's nuclear program. Is it possible, for instance, that 134 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: Iran has already built a bomb? Now I don't think so, 135 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: because I think it would be announced. Um, I think, 136 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: uh yeah at some point. I mean, think about it. 137 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: The United States has Iran surrounded by military bases, and 138 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: I guess it is that card that you would be 139 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: able to play. You want people to know you have 140 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: that card in your hand and you are literally surrounded, 141 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: backed into a corner as it were. Uh, then then 142 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: I could see the motivation. But uh, the biggest question 143 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: that I have to ask you is after we found 144 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: out about the secret nukes stuff and shady characters like A. Q. 145 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: Cohn Uh, here's the big question. Do you think the 146 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 1: world should have nuclear weapons? I don't know that you 147 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: can answer that question, because obviously you shouldn't. I don't 148 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: think you should having that kind of power, with the 149 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: kind of power hungry people that run the world a 150 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: lot of times, not always, but a lot of times. Uh. 151 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: It's obviously dangerous. Um, but there's no there's no way 152 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: going back now. They exist. And I mean even if 153 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: we all decide through the UN or some other organizations 154 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: organization to destroy all the nukes, then somebody is going 155 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: to keep nukes. You know, somebody will. Yeah, that's true. 156 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Sorry, I know that's a 157 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: pessimistic way to look at it, but I think it's 158 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: a realistic way to look at it. The only way 159 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: that people wouldn't keep nukes is if there were some 160 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: overarching authority that does not exist at this time that 161 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: would prevent it from happening. The U N has no 162 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: ability to prevent that. Um. You know, the the UN 163 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: is a good idea, but it doesn't It doesn't do 164 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: as much as one would imagine. Right, Somebody just got 165 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: really mad at you for saying UN is a good idea. 166 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: In theory, I agree completely. I completely agree in theory. 167 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: In theory, direct democracy and representative democracy are both good ideas, 168 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: and so as communism. You know what, in theory, I 169 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: bet a strawberry pudding pop is a good idea, but 170 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure to be gross. I'm just saying that 171 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: there's a difference between theory and practice. So in theory, 172 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: while UM the u N is a different episode, and 173 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: I'd love to do that. But the point being is 174 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: that through these numerous agencies, the UN does not have 175 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: the ability to enforce um as as much as people 176 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: might wish. With nuclear weaponry, on both sides of the fence, 177 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: you know, on both the sides of people who think 178 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: that they should have UM less oversight on their nuclear programs. 179 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: RAN comes up again there, UM to people who think 180 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: that there should be more oversight across the board. UM. 181 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: We have to we have to point out though, that 182 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: the stuff we we learned about nuclear weaponry in this 183 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: podcast UM and in our video episode told us some 184 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: very interesting stuff. There may be nuclear weapon stockpiles in 185 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: unidentified areas of the world, in foreign soil. So imagine, 186 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, some tiny island in the Indian ocean and 187 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: the South Pacific open up. If there's ever a massive war, 188 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: it just starts flinging missiles right like the rockets, like 189 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: the thing that's pretty much a nuclear test. Excuse me. 190 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 1: Alleged nuclear tests, the Veil and sit in which we 191 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: cover in another video UM, and the Vela incident. I 192 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: don't know, Matt, could you describe it. It was an 193 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: alleged test. It wasn't proven. At least nobody would say 194 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: that it was definitely a nuclear test that happened. It 195 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: happened in the middle of the ocean. There's a huge 196 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: variance of where it could have been, something like three 197 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: three thousand radius three is that true? If grousing kilometer 198 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: radius kilometer radius, Yeah, that's a huge area. But it 199 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: was a satellite that picked up the double flash, UM 200 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: and this was a satellite that had, you know, detected 201 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: lots of other tests, and it was the first time 202 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: that I guess it was controversial that it picked up 203 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: a flash. But they don't. They didn't think, well, maybe 204 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: it's not a flash. How did we have how do 205 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: we say, were careful as we said this in the 206 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: episode UM or the vlog we did about it, we said, uh, Okay, 207 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 1: according to the official story, they this is not a 208 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: nuclear test, uh, which would mean that this is the 209 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: first and the only time that any of the Vala 210 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: satellites because they are multiple ones, have ever been wrong 211 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:16,599 Speaker 1: about this and the other proposed alternatives that could have 212 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: given false positives for nuclear tests meteorite hitting the satellite, 213 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: which is you have better odds of winning the lottery. Yeah, 214 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: it is literally billions and billions to one. But who 215 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: knows again, posible possible? Well, yeah, they the documents that 216 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: I was reading, the highly redacted documents that we actually 217 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: show in the video that I was reading through seem 218 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: to suggest that they they were really looking at South 219 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: Africa and their program at the time and possibly working 220 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: with Israel for a joint test. But again, there's so 221 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: much redacted material in there that probably has more of 222 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: the definitive answer to what they think. Um, but what 223 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: we're not going to know, Well, I think now it's 224 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: it's one of those open secrets. As time passes, you'll 225 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: you'll see a lot of credible journalism that talks about 226 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: Israel are not Israel, but South Africa's program wherein they 227 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: did successfully build weapons, and people do think that they 228 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: were the primary tester. Um. You hear people bring up 229 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: the bring up Israel, bring up other partner countries that 230 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: might be evolved, you know, like maybe France or um, 231 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: i mean not India, but things like that. And this 232 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: brings us to one of my favorite things that we 233 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: didn't really get to talk about in the video, which 234 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: is secret nuclear strategies. UM. The thing is that a 235 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: lot of countries that have nuclear weapons that that are known, 236 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: they they vary in their policy toward these weapons. France 237 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: has this h if we're attacked, everybody is a target policy. 238 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: So if we're attacked with a nuclear weapon, everybody, everybody 239 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: is a potential target. Everybody gets a new let's call 240 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: it the Oprah style. That's exactly what it is. And 241 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: then UM, there are rumors that Israel has the Sampson option, 242 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: which is UM, which is a similar retaliatory plan on all. 243 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: All of the countries that have nuclear weapons, thank goodness, 244 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: have a stated uh no first strike policy. UM. Nobody 245 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: wants to be the person who drops one of those first, 246 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: but everybody wants to be able to respond in kind. UM. 247 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: The United States has a policy similar to that. UM. 248 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: One of my favorites Um, is the dead hand? Do 249 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: you remember that one? That sounds really familiar. You're gonna 250 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: have to enlighten me. So it's the it's the Russian policy. 251 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: You remember this one that where wherein this came from 252 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: the Cold War, And the alleged strategy is this that 253 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: there was a system in place in Soviet Russia where 254 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: in an attack, a nuclear attack that wiped out Moscow, 255 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: wiped out all of the power centers, right, Uh, would 256 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: trigger an automatic launch of all nuclear weaponry. So it's 257 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: like a dead man. Yeah, you've seen that before, right, 258 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 1: everybody listening, where you're holding the control mechanism in your 259 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: hand and if you get shot, when your hand releases 260 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: it, it it goes off. Yes, And the idea of that 261 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: is just so fatalistic and frightening. It really is frightening. Um, 262 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: he was kind of smart. I don't know, and I 263 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: know it's messed up, but well, yeah, I mean they're 264 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: not you. You don't make these kind of policies worried about, 265 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: you know, making friends, because country states don't have friends, 266 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: they have interests, right, And Um, it's definitely a chest 267 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: out policy like it. Yes, and and uh, you know 268 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: North Korea has been accused of having a nuclear policy 269 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: that is entirely based on gaining aid. You know, will 270 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: detonate this bomb, help us, will let's have some negotiations 271 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: and we need more food or aid of some sort, 272 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: and then will pretend to negotiate away our nuclear capability. 273 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: It's another thing, very very few countries will give away 274 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: their nuclear ability um or concede that ability once they 275 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: gain it. South Africa being a notable exception. Um, I 276 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: guess at this point, I've got I gotta ask you, 277 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: do you think it's possible that there could be a 278 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: country now that has nuclear weapons that no one knows about. Ah, 279 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: that's tough because you can see now if there's a well, 280 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: it is possible if it was if they were just 281 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: brought in, like perhaps they didn't enrich the uranium on 282 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: their own at a facility inside whatever country we're talking about. Um, 283 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: if they just had them smuggled in, then sure. But 284 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: I think if you are enriching uranium in a country somewhere, 285 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: somebody is going to do it. Somebody knows about it. 286 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: With satellite technology, now, I mean you need a fairly 287 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: big facility to do that. Okay, that makes sense. So 288 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: I guess what you're saying then, is if there was 289 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: a I don't know, US or French owned nuclear arsenal 290 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: based in a different country, like in Sri Lanka or 291 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: Kazakhstan or something like that, then there could be nuclear 292 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: power there that we are not aware of. But for 293 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: the mest stickley produced stuff, people will find out about it, 294 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: I think definitely. Okay, I gotta ask you this too. 295 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: This is just pure speculation at the end, all right, 296 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: just it's just your your total opinion. All right, let's 297 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: do it. Do you think Iran is once a nuclear bomb? 298 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: Do you think they'll make it? I would say it 299 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: again just from what we've been discussing, the how they're 300 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: cornered where they are, Um, I think it's probably it's 301 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: so weird they're in such a strange place because they 302 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: kind of need one, uh, they kind of need one 303 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: for protection. But then diplomatically, it's such a bad move 304 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: right now, it seems like it would be the secret route. 305 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: If if I was if I was in Iran, I 306 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: would go the secret route. I would try and use 307 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: my allies to get weapons without doing it on my own. Well, 308 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: you know, the newest president of Iran is supposedly, uh, 309 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: striking a more conciliatory tone with Washington. But you don't, 310 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: don't do you think that Iran would attack different countries, 311 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: because usually what's being drummed up here is the idea 312 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: that Iran would um attack Israel primarily right, also possibly um, 313 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia, right, becausiness old Sunni Shias men. There's so much, 314 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,239 Speaker 1: so much of that to me as smoking mirrors, um 315 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: from the people that want that land, want to control 316 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: that area, and you know don't want they are a threat, right, 317 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: I mean the control the strait of hormones. Yeah, okay, 318 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: and that sounds like a story for another day. Of course, 319 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: we are talking about one of the biggest choke points 320 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: for the petroleum trade in the world. Um. Quick myth 321 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: busting on that one. Although something a lot of people 322 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: don't know that you and I only learned in the 323 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: course of the show. Uh. The United States does not 324 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: get the majority of its oil from the Middle East. 325 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: Don't believe the hype of the United States. Uh, products 326 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: of that sort come from Canada. Canada is our largest 327 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: foreign supplier of petroleum or natural as a petroleum and 328 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: natural gas or something like that. Fossil fuels. Let's just 329 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: make an umbrella term um and we're going to head out. 330 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 1: We would like to hear what you think about nuclear weapons. 331 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: Is it possible that all of the world's nuclear weapons 332 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: would be dismantled? Should they be? We think there's no 333 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: way it's gonna happen. Yeah, if you have a good 334 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: idea for that, please let us know, send it to 335 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: the u n Send that idea wherever you can, because 336 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: kind of maybe we need that to happen. There might 337 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 1: be a big step for humanity. Now, no one's gonna listen. Next. 338 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: Uh my prediction for next secret nukes base the Moon? 339 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, dude, come on, that's gonna be so 340 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: much fun. The nuclear battles that occur on the surface 341 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: of the Moon fun. Huh oh yeah, it's gonna be 342 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: lots of fun. Moons a small place, man, I know 343 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: it would be a it would be a one punch battle. 344 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: I kind of want to see what happens with a 345 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: nuke on the surface of the Moon, just from a 346 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: gravity standpoint, and I'm interested. That's some apocalyptic stuff, my friend. 347 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: I've been playing way too much fall Out lately. I mean, 348 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: the the seas, the rivers, the tides. Oh man, I 349 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: hope that doesn't happen, but we live in a time 350 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: where things like that could completely happen. So let's make 351 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: the most of the time we have. 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