WEBVTT - Chuck’s Commentary - Chuck’s Experience At The Correspondents’ Dinner Shooting + America Is A Tinderbox & Trump Is Fanning The Flames

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<v Speaker 1>to another episode of the Chuck Podcast. Needless to say,

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<v Speaker 1>what what I thought I was going to be focusing

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<v Speaker 1>on with this episode has changed quite a bit, But

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<v Speaker 1>let me give you a quick rundown. Look. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to give you my first hand account of what happened

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<v Speaker 1>at the White House. Correspondence dinner from my point of view, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I attended as a guest of National journal I will

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<v Speaker 1>literally share all the details on that and then take

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<v Speaker 1>a step back and just sort of talk about this

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<v Speaker 1>moment that we're living in politically basically through my through

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<v Speaker 1>my political anthropologist glasses here, because I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no doubt that we don't have the political leaders

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with the moment that we need to be

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with at the moment. So and I will get

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<v Speaker 1>into all of that, but we just this is a

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is the worst set of political leaders

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<v Speaker 1>that we could have to meet the moment that we need,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why we need clearly, we need new leadership

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<v Speaker 1>in this country collectively. And this is across the board, left, right, center,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. We will get I will get into that. Course.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Monday, which means I have a new time

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<v Speaker 1>Machine segment, and we are we are going back to

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<v Speaker 1>a story that would eventually help create the name for

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most popular bands of my generation. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's your clue. There's your clue to what historical event

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<v Speaker 1>I will be taking a deep dive in with the

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<v Speaker 1>time machine this week, and of course we will do

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<v Speaker 1>questions from you, and yes, despite the events of the weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>I do have a few thoughts in my compartmentalized brain

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<v Speaker 1>on sports, the draft and all things from there. But look,

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<v Speaker 1>let me start with I figure the best thing I

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<v Speaker 1>can do is just sort of take you through, take

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<v Speaker 1>you through what I did with the dinner, and it

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<v Speaker 1>really my evening begins at six pm Eastern time. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>walking out of the house, and just to give you

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<v Speaker 1>a full picture, I had planned to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>after party. My friends at ms NOW had invited My

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<v Speaker 1>wife and I did the after party there after party,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were planning to attend. I was attending the

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<v Speaker 1>dinner itself as a guest of National Journal. I've been

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<v Speaker 1>doing a lot of work with them lately. National Journal,

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<v Speaker 1>for many of you know as my former as a

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<v Speaker 1>former employer of mine, I've been we've been doing doing

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<v Speaker 1>some brainstorming together and we're we're in this collective world.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's that's why I was attending. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>that's who whose guest I was. My wife was going

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<v Speaker 1>to meet. She did this was one ticket, so she

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna we were gonna meet essentially at the at

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<v Speaker 1>the after party about eleven pm. And as I'm leaving

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<v Speaker 1>the house in the uber at six pm, I turned

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<v Speaker 1>to my wife and I said, how ab I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>making a mistake? And what did I mean by that?

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<v Speaker 1>All Right? I just said it out loud, and I

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot of sort of tr nation about going.

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't been to the dinner in probably four or

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<v Speaker 1>five years. I used to frankly when I had a

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<v Speaker 1>job on Sunday morning. Some of you might might know,

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<v Speaker 1>so I had stopped doing these Saturday night dinners. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I would go for basically like the first hour and

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<v Speaker 1>leave early, frankly, just to get a tiny bit of

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<v Speaker 1>rest before the next morning. Sometimes I didn't go at all.

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<v Speaker 1>It just, you know, it just it's just a it

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<v Speaker 1>can be. It's a It's a I used to joke

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<v Speaker 1>with when I was in my twenties the dinner was fun,

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<v Speaker 1>when by my forties it became work. But I was going, look,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing a lot more in the media entrepreneur space,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is a so there's certainly a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>interesting people that I am working with I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>be working with, and I thought this would be as

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<v Speaker 1>good of a time as any to connect with some people,

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<v Speaker 1>But I knew that there was going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of protests. I knew there was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of tension. And so when I said that

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<v Speaker 1>to my wife, she was like, why did you know?

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<v Speaker 1>She sort of haunted her as I laughed. And then

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<v Speaker 1>of course we all thought about it a lot after

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<v Speaker 1>the incident itself. And I'm not going to sit here

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<v Speaker 1>and say I thought violence was going to happen. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know if it was going to be just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, was I walking into something that I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really want to be a part of. It is probably

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<v Speaker 1>a better way to describe it, right, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>told you. I think I expressed earlier. I thought all

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<v Speaker 1>the look, this is one thing people need to understand.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not the president's event. This is the This

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<v Speaker 1>is the White House Press Association's event. He is an

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<v Speaker 1>invited guest. It is tradition to invite the president. Hardstop.

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<v Speaker 1>He chose to come for the first time. This is

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<v Speaker 1>not his event. And this is an important point because

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<v Speaker 1>this is not an event to be held at the

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<v Speaker 1>White House. If he doesn't feel comfortable coming, then he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't come. Right. This is a trade associatiation event for

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<v Speaker 1>White House Press, for members of the White House Press Corps.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of the day, so I sort of

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<v Speaker 1>I've found the sort of hand ringing about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>whether press should attend or not. This is not the

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<v Speaker 1>president's dinner. Look, everybody made their individual decisions about who

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<v Speaker 1>they invite, right and that's a different decision. And you

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<v Speaker 1>can hold individual organizations accountable for who they choose to

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<v Speaker 1>invite or not. But at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>we're journalists and I just wanted a story. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to have good sources in order to report, period, And

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<v Speaker 1>so I understood the criticism of those that say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>don't give them a platform, don't do this, don't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of the day, it was his choice

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<v Speaker 1>to come, and you know, the press can. To me,

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<v Speaker 1>a good journalist should be able to handle handle that

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<v Speaker 1>situation and should be comfortable going in. You don't, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody's asking you to become a maggot cheerleader or a

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<v Speaker 1>left wing activist. If you're going there to be an activist,

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<v Speaker 1>don't go right that. You know, if if you're if

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<v Speaker 1>you're more interested in and being an activist, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't have gone but look, I'm not. I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought all of that was overrated on that front.

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<v Speaker 1>So but I you know, I wasn't. I knew the

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<v Speaker 1>protests were going to be large, and I've certainly been

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<v Speaker 1>to that hotel so many times. I knew that there

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<v Speaker 1>were alternative ways to get into the hotel. So I

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<v Speaker 1>was very careful where I had the Uber drop off.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I knew I was going to decided I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to basically, for those of you familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>the Hilton, go in the back way, go in the

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<v Speaker 1>other you know, don't come in on Connecticut Avenue. I

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<v Speaker 1>basically came in behind sort of between. Essentially, it was

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<v Speaker 1>dropped off not quite at the corner of Florida Avenue

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<v Speaker 1>and in Columbia excuse me, in eighteenth but close ish,

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<v Speaker 1>it's basically like nineteenth in Florida. Because I knew I

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<v Speaker 1>could walk now with those terrible tuck shoes, I even

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<v Speaker 1>double socked, knowing I was probably going to be walking

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<v Speaker 1>more than usual in order to Little did I know

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<v Speaker 1>how much I was going to end up walking after

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<v Speaker 1>the event, says it was so look, I was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I get dropped off by the Uber walk

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<v Speaker 1>in get in the essentially the back way without without

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<v Speaker 1>going through any of that protest or stuff that was

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<v Speaker 1>taking place, which was on the other side of the hotel,

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<v Speaker 1>which is basically it where Florida and Connecticut come together,

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<v Speaker 1>which is essentially where the Hilton Washington Hilton is. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you're wondering and getting into the Hilton, you know

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<v Speaker 1>there is no magnetometer to get into the hotel itself.

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<v Speaker 1>This is look, it's there's a reason why this dinner

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<v Speaker 1>is always held at this hotel. They have a unique

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<v Speaker 1>situation where you really can take the ballroom sections and

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<v Speaker 1>essentially secure it away from everything else, which is what

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<v Speaker 1>they have done. In my experience, I've been going to

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<v Speaker 1>these dinners. I think the first one I went to

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<v Speaker 1>was probably in nineteen ninety five, nineteenninety six, something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is you know, this is why there's been

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<v Speaker 1>chatter about moving it to the convention Center or moving

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<v Speaker 1>it to some other places. But this really is sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a unique ballroom. You know, every comedian has come in.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe this is at a Hilton, like sort

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<v Speaker 1>of mocking the idea that it's at a Hilton. No

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<v Speaker 1>offense to my friends at Hilton, but it's always been

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a bud of jokes at this fancy black

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<v Speaker 1>tie dinner is at a Hilton. But this ballroom setup

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<v Speaker 1>is an incredibly unique setup. After the Reagan assassination attempt,

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<v Speaker 1>they even created more secure areas. They basically they they

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<v Speaker 1>have some of the easiest ways for a highly secure

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<v Speaker 1>individual to be brought in and out of the hotel,

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<v Speaker 1>more so than really any other hotel in the city,

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<v Speaker 1>especially with a ballroom like that of that size that

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<v Speaker 1>they can do. So it is why it's there, and

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<v Speaker 1>they've always the hotel itself has always sort of been

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<v Speaker 1>divided like that when when this dinner is here, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can just like walk into the lobby, which is

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<v Speaker 1>where I went. You just go into the lobby, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to the pre cocktail parties National Journal's

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<v Speaker 1>cocktail party to go most a lot of times, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're an invited guests, that's how you pick up your ticket,

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<v Speaker 1>is you go to your sponsoring organizations pre pre dinner event.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sort of been what a lot of news organizations do.

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<v Speaker 1>So so you ignore all that, and it was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you could tell, I mean, it was pretty heavy. The protesters,

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<v Speaker 1>the rain probably made it. It was did I bring

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<v Speaker 1>up it was raining at that point in time. So

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<v Speaker 1>everybody is sort of you know, there with your hairdoes

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that on that front. So we get

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<v Speaker 1>into the dinner and it's the usual. Everybody is mag

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<v Speaker 1>that you before you can get to even the ballroom area,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a set of magnetometers that everybody goes through

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<v Speaker 1>and essentially just about everybody not you'll not only go

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<v Speaker 1>through a magnetometer, but if they're there's anything that pops

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<v Speaker 1>up in the magnetometer, you get one, you get the

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<v Speaker 1>wand and it's pretty If you've ever been to any

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<v Speaker 1>presidential events, it's very similar to that. It's if you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever been to even a sporting event where the president

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be there, you'll notice it. Sometimes there's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more extra security. You go through magnanometers

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a person wanding. This was the same setup.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the dinner itself, you go down a set

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<v Speaker 1>of staircases yet another sent it's sort of almost like

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<v Speaker 1>a sunken You come in at one level and the

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<v Speaker 1>ballroom itself is like further down, and you walk down

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<v Speaker 1>it's two sets two flights of stairs This is important

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't the attacker. The gunman did not get

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<v Speaker 1>even down one flight of those stairs. It's two flights

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<v Speaker 1>of stairs to get into the ballroom area itself. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're in the ballroom, they serve. They're serving the salad first,

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody was done with a salad. And the timing

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<v Speaker 1>I was fascinating because it's so the shots ring out

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<v Speaker 1>right about one minute after the There was probably two

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<v Speaker 1>hundredweight staff that all came out at the exact same time.

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<v Speaker 1>This was sort of a bit of an orchestration, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost it's the server ballet, if you will, that

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<v Speaker 1>we've we've it's always it's very impressive how it's done,

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<v Speaker 1>where essentially every table is cleared and every table is

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<v Speaker 1>served pretty much simultaneously. Right, it's an incredibly quick turnover.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have this rush of people come out, so

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<v Speaker 1>my initial thought. And then so this rush of people's

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<v Speaker 1>coming out and you see and you know, the tables

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<v Speaker 1>are all close together, and it's pretty crowded anyway, because

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<v Speaker 1>people are it's still early in the dinner, so there's

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<v Speaker 1>still a little socializing. People are doing a little table

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<v Speaker 1>hopping to see to catch up with people you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you might get a text. I'd gotten a text from

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<v Speaker 1>a friend of mine. It was two tables over that

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see until after the incident itself. So so

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<v Speaker 1>we're sitting at the dinner, everybody's finishing the salad, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they just they had just finished the head

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<v Speaker 1>table introductions. President of White House correspond Association basically said, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now we're gonna now we're going to serve dinner, so everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was actually gonna be a quick pause in

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<v Speaker 1>the program. I think, as far as timing events is

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<v Speaker 1>the minute dinner was served that it was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be pretty soon after that that we were going to

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<v Speaker 1>hear from the President. So the rush of white staff

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<v Speaker 1>floods the ballroom and it's about a minute later in

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<v Speaker 1>my recollection that I hear. You hear the pop, pop pop,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what I heard, pop pop pop, some of

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<v Speaker 1>you saw. I did a preliminary Instagram last night that

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<v Speaker 1>went on a few of my socials just to give

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<v Speaker 1>you a quick sense of what I saw. So you

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<v Speaker 1>hear this pop pop pop, And I'll just be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, you know you're not You don't expect to

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<v Speaker 1>hear gunshots and so you don't automatically assume that's what

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<v Speaker 1>you heard. And I didn't within you know, it's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like within two seconds do you sort of realize Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was gunshots. But that like the first

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<v Speaker 1>thing in my mind was, oh, what just happened? What

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<v Speaker 1>accident just happened? I mean, as the President himself said,

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<v Speaker 1>did somebody drop our tray? It just just felt like

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<v Speaker 1>an accident. Because again, this is the case where your

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<v Speaker 1>visuals in your audio can sometimes be in conflict. What

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<v Speaker 1>were we all seeing. We were seeing this rush of

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<v Speaker 1>people of weight staff coming to essentially do this, do

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<v Speaker 1>the appetizer plates clearing, and the entree survey, and so

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<v Speaker 1>that's in your head. So any noise you hear, I

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<v Speaker 1>think automatically you're just associating with what you see, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you realize pop pop pop, And then somebody heard shots,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you saw a whole bunch of people just

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<v Speaker 1>drop to the ground, including all the white staff. I

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<v Speaker 1>will confess I was a little slow getting to the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like continuing to just try, and even even

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<v Speaker 1>when I knelt on the ground, my table mates were

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<v Speaker 1>like get down, and then I like poke my head

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<v Speaker 1>up to try to get a sense because I was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to I generally heard where I you know, where

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<v Speaker 1>I heard. Where I thought I heard the shots from

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<v Speaker 1>turned out to be exactly where the shots came from,

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<v Speaker 1>which is it felt like it was coming from behind

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<v Speaker 1>the entrance to the ballroom. And the question was with

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<v Speaker 1>these shots had fired in the ballroom. And it's now

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<v Speaker 1>pretty obvious to me because of the why they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>loud loud. They were loud enough to hear the pop,

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<v Speaker 1>pop pop, But then you realize it was not in

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<v Speaker 1>the ballroom, right, So everybody's just we're first looking around here,

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<v Speaker 1>do we hear anybody screaming to you? Do you see

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<v Speaker 1>any paramedics? And then you realize, Okay, nobody was shot

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<v Speaker 1>in the ballroom. It was clearly coming from the quest

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<v Speaker 1>At this point in time, I don't know whether it

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<v Speaker 1>is right outside the doors where they come in down

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<v Speaker 1>those two flights of stairs I was talking about, or

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<v Speaker 1>if it was further up the two flights of stairs,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of where the magnetometers are before you go walk

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<v Speaker 1>down after you've been cleared of security. And again, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>my witnessing is we're on the floor. There's a few things.

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<v Speaker 1>One is, obviously you see you start to see a

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<v Speaker 1>parade of security detail. First of all, there was security everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact, it probably pretty clear that there were

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<v Speaker 1>a handful of tables where they were undercover security. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>There was just too many people in that room not

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<v Speaker 1>to have something like that. You immediately see probably one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred law enforcement throughout the ball room, essentially just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to clear everything. Right, everybody had guns drawn. They're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to clear everything. And then you say, you have these

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<v Speaker 1>security details, and I think most of these people were

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<v Speaker 1>associated with a security detail I don't know this yet

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<v Speaker 1>for a fact, but it seems that way because you'd

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<v Speaker 1>start to see this parade first. You know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I saw hag Seth get escorted out. I saw Scott

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<v Speaker 1>Bessett get escorted out. I saw Mike Johnson get escorted out.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw Steve Scalise get escorted out. And so you

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<v Speaker 1>started to see those folks getting escorted out. Then there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lockdown in the room right as you might expect,

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<v Speaker 1>as they're now in hindsight, it's because the main entrance

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<v Speaker 1>to the ballroom was a crime scene. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they were trying to make a quick determination

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<v Speaker 1>to see if this was some sort of conspiracy. I

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<v Speaker 1>could tell you what I first thought is, oh, did

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<v Speaker 1>this person come in with the weight staff? And then

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<v Speaker 1>use that moment, you know, I probably watched too many movies, right,

0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:11.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, you have too many movies in your head

0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:14.439
<v Speaker 1>and you start thinking about different things. Although there's a

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<v Speaker 1>there is a weird movie life imitates art aspect to

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<v Speaker 1>the uh the alleged assassin who apparently got a room

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<v Speaker 1>in the hotel, which, by the way, is a security loophole,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm going to get to in a minute. So

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, everybody and it looks like we're sealed

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<v Speaker 1>in and then you're then the question is and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's comfortably you know, starts popping their head up, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're all trying We're all trying to work, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, everybody you know is just trying to We're

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<v Speaker 1>all trying to find out what happened. You have a

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<v Speaker 1>room full of of reporters plus uh self important people

0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:57.399
<v Speaker 1>plus actually important people, and everybody wants everybody wants to

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<v Speaker 1>know what the hell is going on, and everybody's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out what's going on. And you know, at

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<v Speaker 1>first it's just simply everybody trading. Did you hear gunshots?

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<v Speaker 1>What did you see? Did you see anything? Did anybody

0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:11.359
<v Speaker 1>get hit? And that was just sort of the determination,

0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:14.840
<v Speaker 1>was there any in anything, anybody hurt within the ballroom?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, trying to figure out if anybody had gotten in,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it was it somebody who took a shot?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, did the shots come into the ballroom? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>And that is you know, now it's like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>the sound was not loud enough to have been in

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<v Speaker 1>the ballroom, which is why it wasn't one hundred percent

0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:37.440
<v Speaker 1>convinced it was gunshots right away. Now I know exactly

0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:41.560
<v Speaker 1>what I heard. I heard the gunshots based on behind

0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:45.480
<v Speaker 1>closed doors two flights up but within earshot of where

0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:48.760
<v Speaker 1>we were right So now I understand. Now I couldn't

0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:53.040
<v Speaker 1>process why they were, you know, sort of heard, but

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<v Speaker 1>not just dominant as far as the audio in that

0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:06.919
<v Speaker 1>the audible nature of the South. So then they about

0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:11.000
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty fast that they make the determination that they

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<v Speaker 1>can open the doors. And then the minute they opened

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<v Speaker 1>the doors, they decide it's let's evacuate, but they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>They just basically encourage everybody to leave. I will be

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<v Speaker 1>honest with you. When I saw that there was a

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<v Speaker 1>door open and people were starting to trickle out before

0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:27.840
<v Speaker 1>they made the announcement, I was like, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the table I was at, we sort of

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<v Speaker 1>just in our own little like well, we all looked

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<v Speaker 1>at each other, we toasted, and we were like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're never going to forget this dinner, and so it

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<v Speaker 1>was just one of those things we all realized we

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<v Speaker 1>sat there together and that we will never forget. I

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<v Speaker 1>was sitting next to a woman named Nicole, who I

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<v Speaker 1>knew a little bit through an old friend of mine

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day of sitting next to another gentleman

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<v Speaker 1>named of Duarto, who had not met before. But we're

0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:05.600
<v Speaker 1>all we're all connected now. Jeff to four of National Journal,

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<v Speaker 1>the editor in chief, was at the table. He did

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<v Speaker 1>a fine update by the way, on newsphere last night.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you caught that, so you have that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of We did have that little bonding moment as a table,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think other of my guesses other tables did

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing. It's this is such a real thing

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<v Speaker 1>that you're with. And then it was sort of like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, good luck everybody. And at that point I'm

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<v Speaker 1>ready to evacuate, and it looks like everybody's going in

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<v Speaker 1>one direction, and I'm like, if they really want us

0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:39.119
<v Speaker 1>out of this building, you know. And finally one of

0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:42.199
<v Speaker 1>the security folks says, look, go follow exit signs, and

0:23:42.240 --> 0:23:44.000
<v Speaker 1>it was like, you don't have to tell me twice.

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<v Speaker 1>So I ended up going through the kitchen. At some point,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like just following around the hotel staff. Somebody

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<v Speaker 1>recognized me, was really nice and basically help help me

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<v Speaker 1>navigate through the kitchen. At that point I think I

0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:05.840
<v Speaker 1>was there was just all sorts of security personnel back

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<v Speaker 1>there just sort of huddling, and I was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the first one through the doors, and there was clearly

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a whole slew of people on me.

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<v Speaker 1>And I end up coming out of an exit of

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<v Speaker 1>course that I've never been out before at the Hilton.

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<v Speaker 1>So the hotel backs up against why I believe it's Wyoming.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's Wyoming Avenue, sort of where T Street

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<v Speaker 1>and Wyoming Avenue go behind it. And I end up

0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:28.680
<v Speaker 1>there and I just decide, all right, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>walk as far away from the hotel as I can

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<v Speaker 1>and go find an uber. So that's my plan. I

0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:37.399
<v Speaker 1>walk up about a half a block and all you

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<v Speaker 1>do is you start running into groups of people in tuxedos.

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<v Speaker 1>Right and formal were all trying to debate what to do. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to reopen the dinner. As far as I

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<v Speaker 1>was concerned, I was done with the dinner. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>this was not I was not going to be in

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<v Speaker 1>that closed end event. I've been through enough of this.

0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 1>I've had enough death threats. You know. My feeling is

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not getting very close anymore to to to that

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<v Speaker 1>world until we sort of get to a better place

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<v Speaker 1>as a country, but I'll get to that in a

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<v Speaker 1>few minutes. And so I'm like, well, it may be

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<v Speaker 1>hard to get a ride out of here if I

0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:19.320
<v Speaker 1>stay too close to that area. So I'm walking. I

0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:23.320
<v Speaker 1>end up running into the Fetterments on the corner. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was at the time. I think we were

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<v Speaker 1>on the corner of Columbia and Wyoming. As you know,

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<v Speaker 1>John Fetterman is not hard to miss, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>just him and his wife. They were on a corner,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I went up. You know, he recognized me,

0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:41.440
<v Speaker 1>and he waved over, and he was they were looking.

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<v Speaker 1>They had they had a driver, which was not surprising.

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<v Speaker 1>Many US senators do have somebody that they're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they get a driver for the night, or maybe it's

0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:51.679
<v Speaker 1>a driver all the time. But that's so he was looking.

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<v Speaker 1>They were looking for their ride. He, by the way,

0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:56.480
<v Speaker 1>couldn't have been nicer. He was trying to he was

0:25:56.480 --> 0:25:57.760
<v Speaker 1>trying to convince me, don't know, we can give you

0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:00.600
<v Speaker 1>a ride. I'm like, I'm good, I'm gonna I'll walk up,

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<v Speaker 1>walk up a couple more blocks, and I'm just going

0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 1>to get home. I had suddenly I had my kids

0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:08.160
<v Speaker 1>wondering what the hell was going on? And my wife

0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:10.480
<v Speaker 1>was so at that point, I'm trying to keep them

0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:13.160
<v Speaker 1>up to date. Everything's okay, I'm fine, you know, this

0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:20.760
<v Speaker 1>is not about me. We're all good. And then it

0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:23.159
<v Speaker 1>was in and in fact, where I did I filmed

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:26.000
<v Speaker 1>my video as I was waiting for my uber there

0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:29.040
<v Speaker 1>at the corner of Columbia and Adams Mill is sort

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<v Speaker 1>of as you're walking towards Woodley Park and that Woodley

0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Park area. What's interesting is the uber driver picks me

0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:37.480
<v Speaker 1>up and he goes, hey, were you at the dinner?

0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:40.800
<v Speaker 1>What happened? And so he goes, I just listen to

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:42.879
<v Speaker 1>this eerie thing. He goes, I just dropped off an

0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:45.440
<v Speaker 1>elderly woman who was going to the dinner who was

0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:48.439
<v Speaker 1>telling me this whole story about being there when Reagan

0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:50.520
<v Speaker 1>was shot. And it's just like and so he was

0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:54.080
<v Speaker 1>just sort of processing his own that own sort of weirdness,

0:26:54.119 --> 0:27:04.560
<v Speaker 1>if you will. So that was my that was my experience.

0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 1>I ended up getting home about ten o'clock. Nine ten o'clock.

0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:17.960
<v Speaker 1>We decided that, you know, I didn't care whether the

0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:19.960
<v Speaker 1>after parties were on or not. It was like, you know,

0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:24.880
<v Speaker 1>I think we're good, right, I'm not interested. The best

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:26.720
<v Speaker 1>now was going to be in the Dupat circle underground.

0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:29.720
<v Speaker 1>It's like, don't know if I want to be underground right,

0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:33.240
<v Speaker 1>in sort of a a guarded space like that a

0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:35.320
<v Speaker 1>little bit, because we are I think we are living

0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 1>in a we're we're living in a tinder box. And

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:42.359
<v Speaker 1>that's and that's the thing. So, look, this is what

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:44.239
<v Speaker 1>it felt like being in that room, right, That's what

0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:46.720
<v Speaker 1>it sounded like, and that's how fast it all happened,

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:52.120
<v Speaker 1>and so you know, that's that's the instinct I had

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:56.760
<v Speaker 1>last night, was simply to describe it and then perhaps

0:27:56.800 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 1>start to move on, right, you know. Unfortunately we've become

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:05.960
<v Speaker 1>used to this. This is weirdly normal now, and if

0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:07.680
<v Speaker 1>it were just an isolated event, I think it'd be

0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:10.800
<v Speaker 1>easier to move on. But the truth is this doesn't

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:14.639
<v Speaker 1>feel isolated anymore. And the fact of the matter is

0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 1>we know we are living through something different. It's not

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:25.800
<v Speaker 1>just more political anger. We've had angry periods before, and

0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:30.399
<v Speaker 1>it's not just more division. We've had that too. What

0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:32.960
<v Speaker 1>feels different now is a growing comfort with the idea

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:36.920
<v Speaker 1>of violence. We're normalizing it, not just the act itself,

0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:39.640
<v Speaker 1>but the idea that it just sort of, Hey, it's

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 1>a part of it. It's a part of politics. You

0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:48.239
<v Speaker 1>just have to accept it. I'm not there, but we do.

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:51.000
<v Speaker 1>We have the willingness to imagine it now, we have

0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 1>the willingness to justify it, to talk about it as

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:58.840
<v Speaker 1>something that exists just one step away. That's what feels new.

0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 1>That's why before I walked out of the door, I

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 1>wondered if I was making a mistake, not because of

0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 1>what the dinner could or should be. But we know

0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:17.200
<v Speaker 1>we're living in We're not living in normal times. So

0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 1>I can tell you this from experience. I've covered politics

0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 1>for decades now, going back to the nineties, early nineties campaigns, presidencies,

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 1>moments of real national tension. After nine to eleven, I

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 1>worked in an office right across the street from the

0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Saudi Embassy at the Watergate, and yet I've never dealt

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 1>with anything like this, not in terms of threats, not

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:42.640
<v Speaker 1>in terms of the volume, and not in terms of

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:48.800
<v Speaker 1>the tone. That is, until about ten years ago. Sometime

0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 1>in twenty fifteen, things started to change the start of

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 1>the Trump era. And once it started, and it didn't

0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:02.080
<v Speaker 1>stay contained at first, it felt targeted in one direction,

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 1>right when my face was on the back of the

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 1>pipe bombers van that they found in Miami, when I

0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 1>had FBI agents visiting me to let me know I

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:17.239
<v Speaker 1>was a target of this. Nobody in the administration, by

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 1>the way, cared called any of these reporters at the

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:26.480
<v Speaker 1>time that I digressed. So then it felt targeted one direction.

0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Then it spread, and now, let's be honest, it feels ambient.

0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 1>It's everywhere, like it's just a part of the environment,

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:38.040
<v Speaker 1>violence and politics going hand in hand. Not in America.

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:40.480
<v Speaker 1>That wasn't the way it was supposed to be in America.

0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Now many people are asking did Donald Trump caused this?

0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 1>And I understand the instinct. There's no doubt I'm making

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:57.920
<v Speaker 1>the case that he's responsible for the era. But it

0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:02.640
<v Speaker 1>is the wrong question because we can argue it forever.

0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 1>Supporters will say it's the rhetoric against him. We're already

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:09.560
<v Speaker 1>seeing that, right. There's this determination by his most devoted

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 1>supporters to just say, hey, the assassination's a leftist, this

0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:18.800
<v Speaker 1>is the left, it's all the Democrats. Fault right critics

0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:20.920
<v Speaker 1>of Trump will say it's his rhetoric. This is the

0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:25.840
<v Speaker 1>guy that introduced political violence and mainstreamed it. The point is,

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 1>we're going to spin in this loop all day and

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 1>we're not going to get anywhere. All we're going to

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 1>do is foment more violence. It's not going to solve

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 1>the problem. But that doesn't mean we can't identify it.

0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:40.080
<v Speaker 1>How this got normalized. So that's the better question. We

0:31:40.120 --> 0:31:45.120
<v Speaker 1>need to be asking what has been normalized and how

0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 1>are we going to get out of this? Because presidents

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 1>don't just govern, they set the tone. They set the

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 1>tone for the country. They define the boundaries of acceptable behavior.

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 1>It is a choice to pardon violent extremists that attacked

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 1>the capital. That's a choice, and over the last decade

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 1>these boundaries have shifted quite a bit. You can hear

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:11.959
<v Speaker 1>it in the rhetoric. Let's go back to the beginning.

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump at rallies in twenty sixteen talking about wanting

0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:19.960
<v Speaker 1>to punch protesters, suggesting they should be carried out on stretchers,

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:24.520
<v Speaker 1>offering to pay the legal fees of anybody prosecuted for

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:27.600
<v Speaker 1>violent political violence on his behalf. At the time, it

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:34.440
<v Speaker 1>sounded like wwe inspired bullshit performance right crowd work if

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:39.960
<v Speaker 1>you will, But the language matters, right, most people may

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 1>hear it just as idle rhetoric, innocent rhetoric, but not everybody,

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 1>because over time what starts his performance becomes a permission slip.

0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 1>And then fast forward to just the last few months,

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<v Speaker 1>after the death of Robert Muller, the President of the

0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 1>United States actually posts the following quote, Robert Muller just

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:11.400
<v Speaker 1>died good. I'm glad he's dead. That's not ambiguous. That's

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:14.479
<v Speaker 1>the President of the United States celebrating the death of

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 1>somebody he believed was a political adversary. I say he

0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 1>believed because all Robert Muller wanted to do is to

0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:23.960
<v Speaker 1>get to the frickin truth of what the Russians did

0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 1>and whether any Americans helped. Or how about earlier this

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:33.680
<v Speaker 1>year when he just posted a whole civilization will die tonight,

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>never to be brought back again. It's not normal American

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 1>political rhetoric, not normal political rhetoric period, but certainly not

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:48.800
<v Speaker 1>the behavior that we should expect from an American president.

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 1>It's existential language, and even in moments of tragedy, mocking

0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 1>the death of someone like rober Reiner, suggesting his death

0:33:57.040 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 1>was somehow tied to his political views. Again, this is

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 1>the president. This is the tone being set by the

0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:08.640
<v Speaker 1>President of the United States. And there's another shift that's

0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:10.920
<v Speaker 1>happened at the same time, and it's just as important,

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:14.240
<v Speaker 1>and it's this idea that politics is responsible for everything.

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:20.359
<v Speaker 1>If you're struggling, it's not your choices or circumstance, it's

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:23.920
<v Speaker 1>someone else's fault. It's a political grievance. Blame a politician,

0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 1>Blame a party, Blame the press. Because you can't look

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:31.280
<v Speaker 1>yourself in the mirror and realize you made bad decisions,

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:35.719
<v Speaker 1>you need someone else to blame. Donald Trump never does

0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:39.080
<v Speaker 1>self reflex, always has to blame someone else. And once

0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 1>you start to believe that, once you internalize this idea

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:46.840
<v Speaker 1>that your problems are caused by all these other people,

0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:50.279
<v Speaker 1>you're not that far from believing they should pay for it.

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:57.960
<v Speaker 1>And then you hear something just bizarre, like we heard

0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:00.399
<v Speaker 1>last night after this incident, when the president that chose

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:03.319
<v Speaker 1>to have a press conference and the president was asked

0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 1>whether he was the intended target. And part of the

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:11.399
<v Speaker 1>answer is this idea that he basically said, well, only

0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:14.480
<v Speaker 1>the great presidents, the great ones, as he said it,

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 1>have to deal with this. Lincoln Kennedy, he viewed being

0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:28.400
<v Speaker 1>targeted as kind of a validation, a badge of honor, huh,

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:32.280
<v Speaker 1>implying that if you didn't get if you're a president

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:37.239
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't targeted for assassination like he's been, then you're

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 1>not a successful president. You're not trying to do big things.

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Think about all this for a second. Is that the

0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:52.280
<v Speaker 1>escalation that's reframing something dangerous and Unamerican as somehow proof

0:35:52.320 --> 0:36:00.360
<v Speaker 1>of greatness, turning risk into mythology. This is something we

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 1>should all be concerned about because if he's basically resigned

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 1>himself to be martyred, well, then no wonder he took

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 1>a risk like he has with Iran and essentially is

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:23.400
<v Speaker 1>putting all of us in an economically precarious position. And

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:27.720
<v Speaker 1>this is but this is where the presidency matters, because,

0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:30.800
<v Speaker 1>whether intentional or not, the president creates the political weather.

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Not every storm, but it's the climate. He's very divisive.

0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:44.560
<v Speaker 1>He thrives on divisiveness. His supporters want the divisiveness. They

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 1>feed off the divisiveness, and he knows it, and he

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 1>does it, and it's more and it's more, and you

0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:55.880
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<v Speaker 1>And it doesn't stay on one side. Escalation invites escalation.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how being a divisive leader works. One side raises

0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:28.120
<v Speaker 1>the temperature, the other response, and before long you're not

0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:33.759
<v Speaker 1>looking at two sides anymore. You're looking at reflections sort

0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:38.719
<v Speaker 1>of out of a funhouse mirror. Same intensity, same language,

0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:47.799
<v Speaker 1>same sense, of urgency, existential threats just pointed in different directions.

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 1>And this is where the language matters again and again

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:56.880
<v Speaker 1>and again, because everything now is framed as some existential

0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:02.360
<v Speaker 1>challenge that we're all dealing with. Every election, every issue,

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:05.040
<v Speaker 1>a battle for civilization itself. Have you seen that? It's

0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:07.879
<v Speaker 1>the battle for the West? Violence being know sometimes you're

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:10.440
<v Speaker 1>going to have if you want to save Western civilization.

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 1>How many people have you seen use ridiculous rhetoric like that.

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:22.439
<v Speaker 1>They're part of the problem too, because if everything is existential,

0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:31.760
<v Speaker 1>then anything becomes justifiable, any rhetoric, any tactic, any escalation.

0:40:33.760 --> 0:40:36.320
<v Speaker 1>The reality is we are a country of three hundred

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:39.799
<v Speaker 1>and fifty million people who agree on some things and

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:43.560
<v Speaker 1>disagree on a lot. And for a long time we

0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:46.759
<v Speaker 1>manage that because we had leaders who didn't lean into

0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:51.360
<v Speaker 1>being divisive, who backed off when they realized the temperature

0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:55.279
<v Speaker 1>had been too hot. This president never knows how to

0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 1>turn the temperature down, never even last night in his

0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:02.799
<v Speaker 1>attempt to do it. He glorifies the violence as some

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:11.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of reflection of his greatness. This is that, like

0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:15.160
<v Speaker 1>I said, he needs that's a separate issue, and maybe

0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:18.640
<v Speaker 1>this is Look, he's a human being, and he's been

0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:22.520
<v Speaker 1>targeted multiple times for death, so it might be a

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:30.960
<v Speaker 1>coping mechanism, and we should have empathy for that. I

0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:36.120
<v Speaker 1>have empathy for that. But he chose to be the

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:41.399
<v Speaker 1>leader of all Americans and he's pitting Americans against each

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:45.880
<v Speaker 1>other on purpose. He has to turn it down. We

0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:48.920
<v Speaker 1>have one president at a time. No other political leaders

0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:52.759
<v Speaker 1>have the power that he has to do this. He

0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:56.319
<v Speaker 1>can't do it. He is incapable of doing this. That's

0:41:56.360 --> 0:42:03.160
<v Speaker 1>the unfortunate part. But people around him need to restrain

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:11.360
<v Speaker 1>him better. Because here's the part that should worry everybody.

0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:18.719
<v Speaker 1>It only takes one person, one unstable, angry, perhaps isolated

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 1>person who has absorbed all of this over the last decade,

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:30.200
<v Speaker 1>and they decide, boy, they have no choice but to act.

0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:36.160
<v Speaker 1>And that's it. So when the broader culture is reinforcing grievance,

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:43.840
<v Speaker 1>reinforcing blame, reinforcing confrontation, that person doesn't feel like an outlier.

0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:48.359
<v Speaker 1>They feel, in some distorted way, like they're acting within

0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:54.960
<v Speaker 1>the logic of this moment. If we were a healthy

0:42:54.960 --> 0:43:00.840
<v Speaker 1>political culture, those impulses would be rare, they'd be contained marginal.

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Right now, they're not not, because most people believe in violence.

0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:10.400
<v Speaker 1>I think it's pretty clear most of us don't. But

0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:16.160
<v Speaker 1>because the environment is no longer clearly rejecting it. And

0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:19.400
<v Speaker 1>this is where leadership matters the most, because in moments

0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:21.520
<v Speaker 1>like this, someone has to step in and lower the temperature.

0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:24.600
<v Speaker 1>It isn't going to come from the Speaker of the House.

0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:26.919
<v Speaker 1>It isn't going to come from the Senate Democratic leader,

0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 1>the House Minority leader, the Senate Majority leader, the governor

0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:33.480
<v Speaker 1>of Colorado or Pennsylvania or California and New York or Florida,

0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 1>whatever it has to be. The president. Someone has to

0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:40.880
<v Speaker 1>say this is not who we are. But he's building

0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:43.799
<v Speaker 1>an entire brand claiming this is who we actually are.

0:43:46.719 --> 0:43:48.839
<v Speaker 1>Someone's got to step in here and say this stops now.

0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:52.120
<v Speaker 1>We got to turn the temperature down. We got to

0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:56.600
<v Speaker 1>not govern in the most divisive ways possible. We don't

0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:58.400
<v Speaker 1>have enough of that. We don't have. Like I said,

0:43:58.440 --> 0:44:00.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if we have the leaders to meet

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:03.040
<v Speaker 1>the moment we need. We're going to see. It's what

0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:06.200
<v Speaker 1>presidential primary is about. I don't know if the two

0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:08.839
<v Speaker 1>political parties are capable of producing a leader that can

0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:12.240
<v Speaker 1>meet the moment. I think the leaders exist. I fear

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:17.920
<v Speaker 1>the party bases won't allow those leaders to emerge. That

0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:22.520
<v Speaker 1>is why you've seen me so lean so hard into

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 1>an independent or third or fourth parties here, because we

0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:28.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of we need to force a reconciliation in these

0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:33.560
<v Speaker 1>two parties to just change their ways, starting with the

0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:38.600
<v Speaker 1>President and the Republican Party. But instead we keep moving

0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:41.920
<v Speaker 1>forward in this cycle. It's a little more escalation, it's

0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:45.279
<v Speaker 1>a little more normalization. It's a slightly lower barrier each time.

0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:48.719
<v Speaker 1>And the question is and whether this will happen again,

0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:51.959
<v Speaker 1>It's whether we're doing anything to make it less likely,

0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:59.560
<v Speaker 1>and right now it doesn't feel like we are. And

0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:04.800
<v Speaker 1>that's the comfortable truth about all of this. Our political

0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:08.040
<v Speaker 1>culture was certainly had heated rhetoric, but it wasn't this

0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:15.239
<v Speaker 1>actively violent. Now it's actively violent. It's a regular basis, reporters,

0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:18.239
<v Speaker 1>members of Congress, and I see that literally, we have

0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Congress right now is half filled with people that have

0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:23.880
<v Speaker 1>been produced by this culture, so they don't even know

0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:27.800
<v Speaker 1>how to engage in rhetoric to turn the temperature down. Instead,

0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:34.440
<v Speaker 1>it's escalation, escalation, escalation, And I can hear the what aboutism.

0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:38.200
<v Speaker 1>I've seen it on the right and I'm seeing it

0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:42.080
<v Speaker 1>pop up on the left now. But the fact is,

0:45:42.360 --> 0:45:45.120
<v Speaker 1>looking at this through the lens of being a political anthropologist,

0:45:46.880 --> 0:45:53.720
<v Speaker 1>this is what happens. You stoke violence, you celebrate violence,

0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:59.720
<v Speaker 1>You pardon violent actors and violent criminals. You consistently pardon

0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:02.680
<v Speaker 1>white collar criminals all the time just because they're your friends.

0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:08.920
<v Speaker 1>And you create a You create a world where people

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:14.040
<v Speaker 1>don't respect the rule of law, people don't respect the

0:46:14.080 --> 0:46:25.480
<v Speaker 1>normal barriers of America, of civilization. So I saw one thing.

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:28.799
<v Speaker 1>We need some bipartisan commission on political violence. Give me

0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:38.560
<v Speaker 1>a frickin' break. We don't need a committee or a

0:46:38.560 --> 0:46:42.520
<v Speaker 1>commission to figure out how this happened. We know how

0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:48.160
<v Speaker 1>it happened. This era that we live in is being

0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:53.640
<v Speaker 1>led by somebody who celebrates political violent rhetoric, and it

0:46:53.760 --> 0:47:00.680
<v Speaker 1>has increased and increased and increased, and you're going to

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:06.360
<v Speaker 1>get reactionary politics in response. I set it before. My

0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:10.319
<v Speaker 1>greatest fear was that the election of Trump a second

0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:15.600
<v Speaker 1>time was going to have people decide that the normal

0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:19.560
<v Speaker 1>rules don't apply, and it's time to quote fight fire

0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:23.600
<v Speaker 1>with fire, as you've heard, And there is no worse

0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:29.360
<v Speaker 1>outcome for our near term politics than a response to

0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:33.400
<v Speaker 1>this as fight fire with fire, and yet that's the

0:47:33.480 --> 0:47:38.520
<v Speaker 1>situation that feels like we're in. I would suggest to

0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:41.359
<v Speaker 1>some of my legacy media colleagues, let's not sanitize this.

0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:48.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm already sniffing a lot of sanitization here. This is

0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:53.680
<v Speaker 1>not an isolated incident. This it continues to be a

0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:59.760
<v Speaker 1>culmination of a normalization of violent rhetoric and violent events,

0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:05.440
<v Speaker 1>pure and simple. A few things about the future of

0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:11.600
<v Speaker 1>this dinner. Security wise, there were two loopholes this attacker exploited.

0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:15.080
<v Speaker 1>If we are to believe everything we're hearing from government,

0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:18.920
<v Speaker 1>and unfortunately, because of the track record of this Justice Department,

0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:25.359
<v Speaker 1>needless to say, I kind of it is hard to

0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:28.000
<v Speaker 1>It is hard to find second and third sources when

0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:30.400
<v Speaker 1>you're dealing when the government's in charge of all the information.

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:35.680
<v Speaker 1>So let's just say, I, you know, eighty percent confident

0:48:35.719 --> 0:48:38.360
<v Speaker 1>in what we're getting, not one hundred, certainly not ninety.

0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:43.719
<v Speaker 1>But if you if we take to understand that this

0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:47.759
<v Speaker 1>attacker took trains to get to DC, well, what's the

0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:50.839
<v Speaker 1>loophole by taking trains? There's you don't put your bags

0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:54.000
<v Speaker 1>through any X ray machines on on Amtrak. Right, if

0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:56.799
<v Speaker 1>you went from LA to Chicago sid you just sort of,

0:48:56.920 --> 0:48:59.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, so he could bring everything he wanted to bring.

0:49:00.200 --> 0:49:03.839
<v Speaker 1>No one was inspecting anything, right that, we don't have

0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:06.680
<v Speaker 1>any of that via on the train system. There's never

0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:10.440
<v Speaker 1>been a magnetometer that I've ever gone through getting on Amtrak.

0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:13.960
<v Speaker 1>You can bring anything you want on that Amtrak train.

0:49:14.160 --> 0:49:19.040
<v Speaker 1>No one's looking at your backs. Yes there is, Yes,

0:49:19.080 --> 0:49:24.920
<v Speaker 1>there is dogs that you know, sort of sniff around

0:49:26.400 --> 0:49:29.279
<v Speaker 1>and perhaps they're bomb sniffing dogs and things like that,

0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:33.239
<v Speaker 1>but they're not there to sniff whatever weapons you might

0:49:33.280 --> 0:49:37.040
<v Speaker 1>be deciding to pack with you. So there's loophole one,

0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:42.200
<v Speaker 1>and then loophole two was booking a room at the HILP. Now,

0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:46.480
<v Speaker 1>when I've traveled overseas and stayed in the same hotel

0:49:46.840 --> 0:49:51.840
<v Speaker 1>as a president, and I would say about half the

0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:53.960
<v Speaker 1>time that I traveled with the president when I was

0:49:53.960 --> 0:50:00.319
<v Speaker 1>a White House correspondent, not even less than half time

0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:02.440
<v Speaker 1>did I actually stay at the same hotel as the president.

0:50:02.520 --> 0:50:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Most of the press court stays at a separate hotel,

0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:08.759
<v Speaker 1>frankly because of security issues. But the press pool, if

0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:11.480
<v Speaker 1>you're going to be traveling in the presidential motorcade and

0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:15.160
<v Speaker 1>on Air Force one in and out, the press pool.

0:50:15.200 --> 0:50:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Will does stay at the same hotel, And when you

0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:22.080
<v Speaker 1>stay at the same hotel as a president overseas, everybody

0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:25.760
<v Speaker 1>goes through security magnets right at the lobby of the hotel.

0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:29.400
<v Speaker 1>That has happened to me every time I've traveled overseas,

0:50:30.840 --> 0:50:33.880
<v Speaker 1>or if I've stayed domestically in the same hotel that

0:50:33.920 --> 0:50:39.400
<v Speaker 1>the president is overnighting. But we don't do that for

0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:41.840
<v Speaker 1>hotels where the president's just going to be there for

0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:46.200
<v Speaker 1>an hour delivering a speech. But this is you know,

0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:48.400
<v Speaker 1>so those are the two security loopholes. But I do

0:50:48.480 --> 0:50:51.239
<v Speaker 1>want to say from the get go, because there's a

0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:54.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of people trying this was a security failure. Actually

0:50:54.960 --> 0:51:01.799
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't. Security worked. Security, the security preters worked as intended.

0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:05.279
<v Speaker 1>He didn't get through the he got nabbed in the

0:51:05.320 --> 0:51:09.360
<v Speaker 1>first line. Now you may argue that the first perimeter

0:51:09.400 --> 0:51:13.840
<v Speaker 1>should be further and there's you know, okay, well that

0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:19.760
<v Speaker 1>probably you know. But how this was secured, it worked.

0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Nobody got hurt, nobody was killed. Yes, we have one

0:51:29.040 --> 0:51:33.200
<v Speaker 1>secret serviceation that got that got hurt. Thankfully he's he's

0:51:33.520 --> 0:51:38.000
<v Speaker 1>survived the because he was wearing a bulletproof vest. But

0:51:38.080 --> 0:51:43.640
<v Speaker 1>the security perimeter worked. There was not a failure on

0:51:43.680 --> 0:51:46.960
<v Speaker 1>that front. And I think that's an important fact that

0:51:47.000 --> 0:51:49.520
<v Speaker 1>we have to just you know, because there's this is everything,

0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:52.200
<v Speaker 1>there's almost a knee jerk overreaction, right, well, we got

0:51:52.200 --> 0:51:53.200
<v Speaker 1>to do this, you gotta do this. Got to be

0:51:53.239 --> 0:51:55.440
<v Speaker 1>somebody to blame here, you know this. They're not getting

0:51:55.440 --> 0:51:57.200
<v Speaker 1>paid and all this stuff, and people want to spend it.

0:51:57.239 --> 0:51:59.400
<v Speaker 1>We've got to have the presidential ballroom. What are you

0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:02.120
<v Speaker 1>talking about? That has nothing to do with building the

0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:06.440
<v Speaker 1>presidential ballroom. And the presidential ballroom is not about security.

0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:09.880
<v Speaker 1>The white House is a secure space. The building of

0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:11.719
<v Speaker 1>the presidential ballroom is because he just wants to have

0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:14.320
<v Speaker 1>giant events. He wants to have much bigger events. He

0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:16.319
<v Speaker 1>wants to put his stamp in the White House. There's

0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:18.960
<v Speaker 1>the Truman balcony. He wants the Trump Ballroom. All right,

0:52:19.040 --> 0:52:21.400
<v Speaker 1>it's a vanity project. We all know it's a vanity project.

0:52:22.000 --> 0:52:27.440
<v Speaker 1>It is kind of gross that there's this attempt to

0:52:27.719 --> 0:52:32.680
<v Speaker 1>use this incident as a rationale to somehow have the

0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:37.840
<v Speaker 1>government speed up the building of this vanity renovation project.

0:52:38.520 --> 0:52:41.840
<v Speaker 1>How about going and solving the war of choice you

0:52:41.920 --> 0:52:44.680
<v Speaker 1>made in Iran? First of all number one, but number two,

0:52:45.400 --> 0:52:47.640
<v Speaker 1>this is not and again this is not a White

0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:50.960
<v Speaker 1>House dinner. White House state dinners that's on the White

0:52:50.960 --> 0:52:54.600
<v Speaker 1>House grounds. You know, are we going to never have

0:52:54.680 --> 0:52:57.919
<v Speaker 1>presidents leave the bunker of the White House anymore? Look,

0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:00.760
<v Speaker 1>we're a democracy. We have chosen this freedom, which means,

0:53:01.239 --> 0:53:06.480
<v Speaker 1>and the President himself noted this, you cannot have security

0:53:06.600 --> 0:53:09.800
<v Speaker 1>if there is no such thing as one hundred percent

0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:14.000
<v Speaker 1>security from somebody that is determined to do something like this.

0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:20.160
<v Speaker 1>There's just attempts to minimize the damage that can be

0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:26.200
<v Speaker 1>done by a lone wolf who snaps. And that's what

0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:32.920
<v Speaker 1>our that's what the Secret Service does quite well. But

0:53:33.040 --> 0:53:37.480
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of I just please, this is as dumb

0:53:37.520 --> 0:53:40.799
<v Speaker 1>and silly of a of a a spin attempt to

0:53:40.840 --> 0:53:44.520
<v Speaker 1>try to use this as a way to rationalize the

0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:48.440
<v Speaker 1>building of the ballroom for for this for a mythical

0:53:48.960 --> 0:53:53.560
<v Speaker 1>for this mythical security issue. And it please, the White

0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:56.319
<v Speaker 1>House is a very secure space. The size of the

0:53:56.320 --> 0:54:03.520
<v Speaker 1>ballroom is not about security. Just really that As for look,

0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:07.680
<v Speaker 1>the White House press dinner, you know this, I wish

0:54:07.760 --> 0:54:09.200
<v Speaker 1>there were no cameras at it. If there were no

0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:11.399
<v Speaker 1>cameras out, you wouldn't draw the attention. If it doesn't

0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:13.920
<v Speaker 1>draw the attention, it's less likely to be a magnet

0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:17.320
<v Speaker 1>for violence and for protest and for all of these things.

0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:20.640
<v Speaker 1>We don't the Grit Iron dinner wasn't put on camera.

0:54:21.760 --> 0:54:23.520
<v Speaker 1>I wish the grid iindeer and stayed off the record,

0:54:23.520 --> 0:54:24.920
<v Speaker 1>but it's not been put on camera. I guess they

0:54:25.000 --> 0:54:27.800
<v Speaker 1>invited cameras finally one year, which is just a terrible idea.

0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:32.560
<v Speaker 1>But you know, it's just a trade association dinner. The

0:54:32.680 --> 0:54:37.640
<v Speaker 1>US Chamber of Commerce throws them Center for American Progress,

0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:41.879
<v Speaker 1>the Congressional Black Caucus, the Congrescionalspanic Caucus, everybody throws their

0:54:42.000 --> 0:54:46.840
<v Speaker 1>sort of organizational annual dinner. You know, it is not

0:54:46.960 --> 0:54:49.680
<v Speaker 1>a crime. It is not some sort of violation of

0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:52.320
<v Speaker 1>journalistic principles for journalists to get together and have dinner

0:54:53.120 --> 0:55:01.000
<v Speaker 1>and celebrate their their their industry. The lebrification of the

0:55:01.000 --> 0:55:04.560
<v Speaker 1>event was the miss was the gariant, disgusting mistake. And

0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:06.439
<v Speaker 1>by the way, that's on us as a press cort

0:55:07.440 --> 0:55:10.720
<v Speaker 1>right we allowed it to become this because it became, frankly,

0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:15.520
<v Speaker 1>a great way to appease advertisers that news organizations were

0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:20.840
<v Speaker 1>desperate to appease so that we could keep our newsrooms

0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:35.799
<v Speaker 1>afloat this week in history avoided. We have a lot

0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:40.080
<v Speaker 1>to choose from. I mean, you know, we've the White

0:55:40.080 --> 0:55:44.480
<v Speaker 1>House Correspondence weekend, and there was another infamous White House

0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Corspondent dinner that I also attended, that Donald Trump also attended,

0:55:48.360 --> 0:55:50.560
<v Speaker 1>that had a huge news event, but we didn't know

0:55:50.640 --> 0:55:52.480
<v Speaker 1>it was happening at the time it was happening. And

0:55:52.520 --> 0:55:56.400
<v Speaker 1>of course it was the famous bin laden raid. That

0:55:56.760 --> 0:55:59.200
<v Speaker 1>is actually something that happened this week, but it's not

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<v Speaker 1>the moment I am choosing to focus on and do

0:56:02.520 --> 0:56:06.279
<v Speaker 1>as our history lesson of the week. Instead, we're going

0:56:06.320 --> 0:56:11.320
<v Speaker 1>to go back to the Cold War, to nineteen sixty.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you figure out the clue by the way that

0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:17.560
<v Speaker 1>the incident was the inspiration for one of the most

0:56:17.640 --> 0:56:19.239
<v Speaker 1>for the names for one of the most famous rock

0:56:19.280 --> 0:56:24.960
<v Speaker 1>bands of my generation. Have you figured it out? You

0:56:26.160 --> 0:56:28.719
<v Speaker 1>still haven't found what you're looking for. But let me

0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:32.719
<v Speaker 1>begin just months before this week, in nineteen sixty, the

0:56:32.800 --> 0:56:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Cold War looked like something that could be managed. In Moscow,

0:56:36.440 --> 0:56:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Vice President Richard Nixon and Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev stood

0:56:39.880 --> 0:56:45.880
<v Speaker 1>in a model American kitchen arguing about appliances, about prosperity,

0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:50.440
<v Speaker 1>and about which system worked better. It was a tense confrontation,

0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:54.840
<v Speaker 1>but it was contained. It made the rivalry between the

0:56:54.840 --> 0:56:59.040
<v Speaker 1>two superpowers look like something you could stage frankly, But

0:56:59.120 --> 0:57:01.319
<v Speaker 1>within a year version of the Cold War would start

0:57:01.360 --> 0:57:04.960
<v Speaker 1>to fall apart, not because of one crisis, but because

0:57:05.000 --> 0:57:09.439
<v Speaker 1>peace by piece the story stopped holding. So it's May one,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty. President Dwight Eisenhower's preparing for a summit with Khrushchev.

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<v Speaker 1>There's costless optimism, but beneath that diplomacy, the real Cold

0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:24.360
<v Speaker 1>War is still being fought in secret. U two spy

0:57:24.480 --> 0:57:28.680
<v Speaker 1>planes flying deep over Soviet territory, high enough to be

0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:33.440
<v Speaker 1>considered untouchable. One of those planes is being flown by

0:57:33.440 --> 0:57:37.840
<v Speaker 1>a pilot named Francis Gary. Powers fly across the Soviet Union,

0:57:37.960 --> 0:57:43.600
<v Speaker 1>photograph military sites. Return. That was the mission. The assumption

0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:46.880
<v Speaker 1>is simple, Even if detected, they can't stop you. You're

0:57:46.920 --> 0:57:50.080
<v Speaker 1>just too high in the sky. That was until May

0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:56.520
<v Speaker 1>first turns out a Soviet missile reaches that altitude, the

0:57:56.560 --> 0:58:03.280
<v Speaker 1>plane is hit, Powers ejects, He survives, descending by parachute

0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:07.880
<v Speaker 1>to Soviet territory, and like many pilots on missions like this,

0:58:08.160 --> 0:58:12.480
<v Speaker 1>He's actually carrying something else, a coin with a concealed

0:58:12.480 --> 0:58:18.600
<v Speaker 1>poison needle inside a last resort. He doesn't use it.

0:58:20.680 --> 0:58:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Back in the United States, officials lose contact with the plane.

0:58:25.520 --> 0:58:31.320
<v Speaker 1>They assumed the pilot did not survive. So the United States,

0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:35.960
<v Speaker 1>through the CIA, decides to tell a story. It wasn't

0:58:36.000 --> 0:58:40.840
<v Speaker 1>a spy mission. It was a weather plane that drifted

0:58:40.840 --> 0:58:47.240
<v Speaker 1>off course. Plausible, deniable, the kind of story governments tell

0:58:47.280 --> 0:58:52.080
<v Speaker 1>themselves and tell the public all the time. But this

0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:58.840
<v Speaker 1>time the other side knows exactly what happened. Khrushchev has

0:58:58.880 --> 0:59:06.520
<v Speaker 1>the wreckage, and he has the pilot alive, but he waits.

0:59:08.000 --> 0:59:10.480
<v Speaker 1>He lets the United States tell the world its story,

0:59:11.800 --> 0:59:17.920
<v Speaker 1>repeat it, stand by it, and then he reveals the truth.

0:59:19.880 --> 0:59:25.640
<v Speaker 1>The pilot is alive. He confesses it was not a

0:59:25.680 --> 0:59:33.360
<v Speaker 1>weather plane, it was espionage. Well, the Eisenhower kruse Chef

0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:40.280
<v Speaker 1>summit collapses, But the real damage isn't diplomatic. It's credibility.

0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Because the issue wasn't the spine. Everyone assumed that each

0:59:45.680 --> 0:59:49.240
<v Speaker 1>side was spying on the other. The issue was the story,

0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:54.439
<v Speaker 1>more so for the public. The United States told one,

0:59:54.960 --> 0:59:59.080
<v Speaker 1>and it didn't hold We're supposed to be the good guys,

0:59:59.480 --> 1:00:04.560
<v Speaker 1>the truth. Well, once that happens, a different question starts

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<v Speaker 1>to creep in. That wasn't true. What else is it?

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<v Speaker 1>And here's what's striking. Remember this doesn't stop there. Within

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<v Speaker 1>a year, the United States backs an invasion of Cuba.

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<v Speaker 1>A force of Cuban exiles lands at the Bay of Pigs,

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<v Speaker 1>expecting support, expecting momentum, and instead it falls apart in

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<v Speaker 1>less than four days, captured, defeated, exposed, and for the

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<v Speaker 1>world watching, including Americans watching at home, there's no ambiguity

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<v Speaker 1>about what it was. Was not a spontaneous uprising, was

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<v Speaker 1>an American backed operation that failed quickly and publicly. President

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<v Speaker 1>John Kennedy goes on television and takes responsibility, but by

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<v Speaker 1>then the image is already set. At the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States is deepening its involvement in Vietnam, not

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<v Speaker 1>all at once, but step by step. Advisors become deployments,

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<v Speaker 1>support becomes commitment. Always described as limited, temporary. Tell it isn't.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's not forget this false story lands in a

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<v Speaker 1>country that had just come out of the era of

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph McCarthy, where Americans had already seen claims made with certainty,

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<v Speaker 1>and trust stretched too thin to hold. So one incident

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<v Speaker 1>can be dismissed two starts to raise doubts. By the third,

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<v Speaker 1>people aren't just questioning the event, they're questioning the explanation.

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<v Speaker 1>Sound familiar. The early Cold War wasn't just a contest

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<v Speaker 1>of power. It was also a test of credibility. And

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<v Speaker 1>in just a few years a spyplane shot down, a

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<v Speaker 1>failed invasion for a coup, perhaps a war explained one way,

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<v Speaker 1>but experienced another. The United States didn't just face pressure

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<v Speaker 1>from abroad. It began to lose something at home. Trust.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, this was all before Watergate. Sometimes a

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<v Speaker 1>turning point in history isn't something that happens. Isn't something

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<v Speaker 1>isn't when something happens. It's when people stop beliezing the

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<v Speaker 1>version of it that they're being told. The trust deficit

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<v Speaker 1>that we're all experiencing right now with government, with institutions

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<v Speaker 1>in general. Sometimes we forget this began even further than

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<v Speaker 1>we realize. So there you go. Now, do you know

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<v Speaker 1>what you're looking for? Now? Do you get the clue

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<v Speaker 1>I was given you out there? Ask Chuck? All right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take some questions first. One I love this. Steve Frank,

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<v Speaker 1>Newport Beach, calif a fellow member of the two First

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<v Speaker 1>Names Club. Yes you are, but I bet you don't

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<v Speaker 1>get called Frank Steve right because Steve's not the last night.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like with me, it's like I understand getting my

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<v Speaker 1>last name confused for a first name, just like with you, Steve.

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<v Speaker 1>But where I struggle is like, oh, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>do you really think my last name is Chuck. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just like you really think your last name is Steve? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's the It's always funny to me why when

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<v Speaker 1>people say, well, I'm not sure which name it is, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>which one's least likely to be a last name. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing you have the same frustrations at times that

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<v Speaker 1>I do. But hey, I turned my head for Chuck

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<v Speaker 1>Ortodd at this point. I'm guessing you turned your head

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<v Speaker 1>at Steve or Frank at this point. All Right, here's

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<v Speaker 1>a question. A huge fan going back to the hotline days,

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<v Speaker 1>and now I'm hearing there are Chuck Todd trading cards.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember you mentioning losing your quote new music pipeline

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<v Speaker 1>after your kids left for college, and I'm in a

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<v Speaker 1>similar spot. My daughter and I are even thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>starting a podcast to bridge the gap across generations. I

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<v Speaker 1>love that idea. What advice would you give amateur podcasters

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<v Speaker 1>trying to turn an idea into something real, even if

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<v Speaker 1>it's just for a small audience, Steve Frank, The number

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<v Speaker 1>one thing is consistency. You know, the biggest you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why most podcasts fail is people get tired

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<v Speaker 1>of doing it after two episodes, four episodes, eight episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>stick to a schedule, stick to it. It is one

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<v Speaker 1>of those if you've ever heard of hockey, you know

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<v Speaker 1>the whole quote unquote hockey stick moment. Right. Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>reason it's called a hockey stick moment because, like in

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<v Speaker 1>any sort of anything you're building, sometimes it's a business,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes it's an audience, whatever it is, it's like, you

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a little, a little, a little, and then boom, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like it all happens at once. Look, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be honest. As I've been building this audience, it was

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like we were grinding. We were grinding, and

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<v Speaker 1>we were grinding, and then suddenly we about six months in,

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<v Speaker 1>we had our first bike, right, and you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>key is consistency it is posting. Look, you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>be platform agnostic. You got to go everywhere. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, when it comes to music, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>to be in You've got to sort of be on

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<v Speaker 1>top of the big moments in the that are happening

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<v Speaker 1>so that you can because unfortunately, the way the algorithms work, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't get you you don't get you could have

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<v Speaker 1>a great podcast, but if you if you don't make

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<v Speaker 1>it into the algorithm, people aren't going to see it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It isn't going to get shared. So you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of ride trends when they exist and try to

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<v Speaker 1>be relevant around them. Right, Like a simple thing might be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know everybody's talking about us. You know, maybe there's

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<v Speaker 1>a certain new Tailor Swift album, so you know, ride

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<v Speaker 1>the Taylor Swift wave without doing Taylor Swift, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just do like you know, it's like something

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<v Speaker 1>adjacent so that you can sort of make it into

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<v Speaker 1>the algorithm and get some attention for what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's really and there's almost there's different Frankly, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just different ways each one of them work. I Mean,

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<v Speaker 1>my guess is your your daughter might be better at

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<v Speaker 1>it at figuring out which algorithms work best for which audiences,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. Look, the other challenge you're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>is music rights, right, so be sure to know you

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<v Speaker 1>know the limitations. You know, YouTube will just not include

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you may post something, but if the music,

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<v Speaker 1>if they don't think you have the rights to the music,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all of a sudden you could get so

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<v Speaker 1>it could cost you traffic. So you do have a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of an extra challenge on the licensing issue.

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<v Speaker 1>So know your fair use rules very well. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you could do what my friend Tony Krnheiser does, which

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<v Speaker 1>is he only plays music people send in and get

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<v Speaker 1>permission from the owner of the license to air it.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're very you know they're they're very They make

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<v Speaker 1>sure they have permission in writing, you know, they're still

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for Paul McCartney to give them permission, right, is

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<v Speaker 1>the joke. So you're you, you are going to need

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<v Speaker 1>to know some of those rules. I mean, it is

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<v Speaker 1>what makes music podcasts I think quite difficult because of

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<v Speaker 1>the of the licensing issues, right, Because in order to

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<v Speaker 1>showcase music and to share music, you want to play

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<v Speaker 1>a clip, right, So you know, be learning what your

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<v Speaker 1>clips are or you know, things like that. But the

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<v Speaker 1>but again, I go back to the single most important

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<v Speaker 1>thing is consistency of production. You know, if you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be twice a week, always be twice a week,

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<v Speaker 1>Always be at the same time, and be consistent. Right

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<v Speaker 1>the minute you start being in an inconsistent updater of

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<v Speaker 1>your podcast, you will not build an audience. People will forget,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll stop being in their feeds, et cetera. So it

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<v Speaker 1>is the number one. It doesn't matter what topic you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Consistency in a schedule, and frankly, once a week is

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<v Speaker 1>probably not enough if you want to grow audience long

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<v Speaker 1>long term. But if you're going to do it once

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<v Speaker 1>a week, realize it may take upwards of a year

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<v Speaker 1>for you to feel you know, so be sure you

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy doing it for yourself regardless, and just be consistent.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the consistent about updating that matters more than anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Good luck, let me know when you get it up

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<v Speaker 1>and running, we'll promote it all right. Next question comes

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<v Speaker 1>from Patrick in La and he says, hey, Chuck, let's

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<v Speaker 1>say quote asking for a friend on this one, How

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<v Speaker 1>does a nation apologize to the world. Well, what you

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<v Speaker 1>do is you don't go about just I would. I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is going to be a really tougher for

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<v Speaker 1>the next president. Then you realize what I think you

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<v Speaker 1>have to do is just other countries are not going

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<v Speaker 1>to just take our word. It doesn't matter how much

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<v Speaker 1>they like the next president. So it isn't going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a matter of apologizing. It is making agreements and

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<v Speaker 1>making America's word verified, not just trusted, but verified. Right

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<v Speaker 1>means putting pen to paper. It means getting congressional authority

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<v Speaker 1>when you need congressional authority. It means sort of following

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<v Speaker 1>the rule of law as you're going about. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>if we just go around saying sorry for the behavior

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<v Speaker 1>of our last president. Frankly, I think that all that

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<v Speaker 1>does is divide us more right, we need our next

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<v Speaker 1>president to not divide us. And you know you may disagree. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>there were some tactics that I disagreed with my predecessor

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<v Speaker 1>and how he went about it, but he had the

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<v Speaker 1>best he had the best interests of the United States

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<v Speaker 1>in mind. I just disagree with how he went about

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<v Speaker 1>doing it, and I think he inadvertently alienated allies. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>that is how I would sort of dispassionately say it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know you're going to have a hard time

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<v Speaker 1>trusting us. So here's what I pledged to you when

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<v Speaker 1>we sign this agreement on tariffs. It's putting here, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>taking it to Congress. Essentially, I'm it's like I'm getting

1:10:07.479 --> 1:10:09.760
<v Speaker 1>it notarized. I'm getting it. It's a version of that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know notarize. But you get my point, right,

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<v Speaker 1>is it is not just I don't think it's just

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. It's behavioral changes, and it is verifying the

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<v Speaker 1>trust that we're asking for. Right, We've you know the

1:10:26.840 --> 1:10:29.720
<v Speaker 1>famous phrase trust, but verify. We're gonna we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>We're not just taking the word of the Soviets. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to create a system where we can verify that

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<v Speaker 1>they're keeping their word. And I think, unfore fortunately, America's

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<v Speaker 1>next president is going to have to create a verification

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<v Speaker 1>process for our allies to know that we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>keep our word, because that's the thing that we've got

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<v Speaker 1>to fix. Yes, apologizing might might be politically feel good

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<v Speaker 1>for your political base, but I actually think going about

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<v Speaker 1>it as as a straight up apology tours probably Nick

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<v Speaker 1>from Michigan Rights. Hey, I've been reading that Republicans are

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<v Speaker 1>openly hoping that Alito will retire from the Superian Court

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<v Speaker 1>and hopes it will just turn out from Republican voters

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<v Speaker 1>in the midterms. What do you think go a Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court vacancy meaningfully increase positive outcomes for the GOP the cycle. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the answer to that is it could. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>why you have some Republicans wanting this now. Because twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 1>which was overall a pretty big Democratic year, particularly in

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<v Speaker 1>the House, Democrats actually lost two Senate seas and it

1:11:33.439 --> 1:11:35.960
<v Speaker 1>was Missouri and Indiana. Now they were two tough senence

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<v Speaker 1>heats to hold two incumbents who were sort of kind

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<v Speaker 1>of accidental winners the previous time, right Claire McCaskill won

1:11:42.960 --> 1:11:48.800
<v Speaker 1>thanks to Todd aiken legitimate rape comments, and Joe don

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<v Speaker 1>Lay won because Dick Lueger lost the primary to a

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<v Speaker 1>guy named Murdoch and was just considered too offside of

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<v Speaker 1>the mainstream. For Indiana, the next reelection was always going

1:12:01.800 --> 1:12:04.400
<v Speaker 1>to be hard, right, they sort of were accidental winners

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twelve a little bit, and it was no

1:12:07.439 --> 1:12:10.840
<v Speaker 1>doubt they were uphill battles and then the Kavanaugh confirmation

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<v Speaker 1>turned raw personal, partisan polarizing in Indiana and Missouri are

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<v Speaker 1>redder states, and it fired up a base, Claire mccaskell believes,

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<v Speaker 1>but for the Kavanaugh hearings, if there's no Supreme Court vacancy,

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<v Speaker 1>there's just no debate about a Supreme Court, the Republican

1:12:32.280 --> 1:12:36.080
<v Speaker 1>base stays demoralized, and she might have been able to

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<v Speaker 1>eke it out. That's what she believes. It certainly made

1:12:41.760 --> 1:12:46.080
<v Speaker 1>it harder for Democrats in red leaning areas where the

1:12:46.160 --> 1:12:49.400
<v Speaker 1>base was fired up about Kavanaugh. So that's what this

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<v Speaker 1>is about. And so it means you know, now I

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<v Speaker 1>might argue, if you know, is it this is where

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<v Speaker 1>what's good might not be good politics? Right? So take

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the left is going to want to oppose

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<v Speaker 1>whatever nominee Trump makes to the Court on ideological grounds,

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<v Speaker 1>and there may be a good case to make it

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<v Speaker 1>if you're on the left, the question is are you

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<v Speaker 1>getting anywhere with it? This is a conservative every place

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<v Speaker 1>conservative right. Alito has not exactly been a mainstream justice.

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<v Speaker 1>He's sort of been on the he is I think

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<v Speaker 1>in the majority. He's not in the majority. Is often

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<v Speaker 1>as your Barratts Roberts as your Kavanaughs is your Kegans,

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<v Speaker 1>as you'll learn from a terrific conversation and book from

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Esker, And so I probably so I understand. So

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<v Speaker 1>what you're seeing is Republican hoping to replicate what happened

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<v Speaker 1>and thinking that all they they just want to save

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<v Speaker 1>this Senate. And when you look at what would be

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<v Speaker 1>seat three or four or five for the Democrats and

1:13:57.360 --> 1:14:01.679
<v Speaker 1>their pickups, you're looking at red leaning Ohi, red leaning, Iowa,

1:14:02.120 --> 1:14:05.320
<v Speaker 1>red leaning Alaska. Right. This worked in the red leaning states.

1:14:05.320 --> 1:14:10.080
<v Speaker 1>It didn't work in swing areas or blue leaning areas

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<v Speaker 1>the Kavanaugh outrage, but it did work in the red

1:14:12.439 --> 1:14:15.840
<v Speaker 1>leaning battlegrounds. And when you look at the battle for

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<v Speaker 1>the Senate in particular for Democrats, they have to basically

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<v Speaker 1>win in red leaning areas Ohio, Iowa, Alaska, Nebraska, right,

1:14:24.520 --> 1:14:28.360
<v Speaker 1>those four, Montana, those five all red leaning. And so

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<v Speaker 1>what the average Republican strategies is, Hey, if we can

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<v Speaker 1>have recreate the political environment in October of eighteen, in

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<v Speaker 1>October of twenty six where the right fields marginalized and

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<v Speaker 1>outraged by whoever the Supreme Court nominee, is that that

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<v Speaker 1>could save the Senate. So I'm skeptical this can work

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<v Speaker 1>a second time, but I understand. But I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>explain why they think this, and that's what they're pointing to.

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<v Speaker 1>And it did work for it did work for Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen. Next question comes from Jeremy. He goes, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>love the podcast and appreciate the space you create for

1:15:07.680 --> 1:15:10.479
<v Speaker 1>political deep dies. I'm currently living in Japan, but spends

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<v Speaker 1>much of my adult life in Florida and grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in Missouri. I'm curious that Democrats can regain a foothold

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<v Speaker 1>in Missouri, which has shifted from a swing state to

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<v Speaker 1>reliably read even as voter support progressive politics like marijuana legalization,

1:15:20.920 --> 1:15:24.240
<v Speaker 1>higher wages, and abortion rights. Where's the disconnect? Is it branding,

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<v Speaker 1>messaging or something deeper? And is the Missouri Democratic Party

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<v Speaker 1>even trying to make the state competitive again? Thanks Jeremy,

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<v Speaker 1>So I would answer the last question first. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think the Missouri Democratic Party is even trying anymore. And

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<v Speaker 1>I say that I'm being a little probably snarky about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it does feel like a bit of a give

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<v Speaker 1>up now. Part of it is the suburban swing voter

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<v Speaker 1>in Kansas City now lives in the camp across the

1:15:51.720 --> 1:15:54.880
<v Speaker 1>state lines in Kansas, and I have a feeling that

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<v Speaker 1>if you're blue leaning, suburban knighted in Saint Louis, you

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<v Speaker 1>might be on the Illinois side of it things now

1:16:00.760 --> 1:16:03.400
<v Speaker 1>rather than in the Missouri side of things. Right. So,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's on abortion rights, right, if that's something you

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<v Speaker 1>know you're going to live across the river, whether it's

1:16:11.680 --> 1:16:14.360
<v Speaker 1>whether you're in Kansas, whether you're right both of both

1:16:14.400 --> 1:16:18.439
<v Speaker 1>states that have codified. So there's a small part of

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<v Speaker 1>me that wonders if it's become self selecting over time. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I take you know, I've been saying that Missouri and

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<v Speaker 1>Kansas are essentially switching places. Right. Missouri was a swing

1:16:28.760 --> 1:16:33.880
<v Speaker 1>state that kind of had some some rural conservative vote. Right.

1:16:33.960 --> 1:16:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Kansas was the you know, hom a Bob Dole, right,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Republican. And what you've seen in the twenty first

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<v Speaker 1>century is that Missouri has become more like a southern

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it has. It is arguably it looks more

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<v Speaker 1>like a Arkansas or in Alabama in its rural areas

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<v Speaker 1>than it does like a Kansas in Iowa or in Illinois.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just think that what you've seen is sort

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<v Speaker 1>of Missouri was a Midwestern state in the twentieth with

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<v Speaker 1>culturally Midwestern in the twentieth century. It is now culturally Southern,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, in the twenty first century. And then you've seen,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, the biggest thing is the shrinkage of

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Louis in general. Right, And this is what I

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<v Speaker 1>think if you're really wanting to understand how you know,

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<v Speaker 1>essentially Saint Louis being gutted as a major city. When

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<v Speaker 1>I say gutted, right, They've had a lot of industries

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<v Speaker 1>that just sort of disappeared. You go to downtown Saint

1:17:28.479 --> 1:17:30.120
<v Speaker 1>Louis and it just feels like a shell of its

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<v Speaker 1>former self. You know, this was a place that was

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<v Speaker 1>a hub. It was a headquarters for a major airline

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<v Speaker 1>twa aneaer Bush is really only symbolically headquartered in Saint

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<v Speaker 1>Louis anymore, right as IMBEV this huge international poration, I

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<v Speaker 1>think the CEO is actually in New York these days,

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<v Speaker 1>not in Saint Louis. Again, they have the symbolic headquarters

1:17:48.920 --> 1:17:51.400
<v Speaker 1>of Anheuser Bush and Saint Louis. But it is, it is,

1:17:51.520 --> 1:17:54.800
<v Speaker 1>it is, it is. It is literally a shell of

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<v Speaker 1>its former self. So you know, it was a time

1:17:59.160 --> 1:18:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Saint Louis as a city was you know, closer to

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<v Speaker 1>being Chicago and Dallas than it was being Wichita or

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<v Speaker 1>in Omaha. And I don't say that as Knox. It

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<v Speaker 1>just it's just shrunk. It shrunk in relevance. And then

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<v Speaker 1>of course you know it's it's it had some international

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<v Speaker 1>it had magnets that attracted new people into it. It

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<v Speaker 1>attracted so as that disappeared, you almost had almost like

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<v Speaker 1>a contraction certainly of Saint Louis and the Saint Louis

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<v Speaker 1>metro area. So that that's kind of what I chalk

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<v Speaker 1>it up to, like a long term that this has

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<v Speaker 1>just been a long term, that the the sort of

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<v Speaker 1>d major fying of Saint Louis as a major city.

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<v Speaker 1>And I kind of think Saint Louis needs a revival

1:18:50.240 --> 1:18:56.760
<v Speaker 1>plan the way Detroit got one right. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember, when I think I've said this before, I remember

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<v Speaker 1>when the Amazon ad was was doing a country wide

1:19:02.680 --> 1:19:04.479
<v Speaker 1>search for a new place for headquarters. I was really

1:19:04.520 --> 1:19:09.080
<v Speaker 1>pulling for Saint Louis. I have family there, I'm very

1:19:09.080 --> 1:19:13.360
<v Speaker 1>familiar with it from a previous previous iteration in my life,

1:19:14.360 --> 1:19:18.600
<v Speaker 1>and it's a it's it. I actually think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>it's a terrific place to put a headquarters in the

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<v Speaker 1>central part of the country that has an easy to

1:19:25.800 --> 1:19:28.280
<v Speaker 1>get to airport, Like you know, it should be easier

1:19:28.320 --> 1:19:31.000
<v Speaker 1>to get around than a Chicago or even a Dallas.

1:19:31.640 --> 1:19:33.960
<v Speaker 1>But both Chicago and Dallas have just sort of they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're the central they're the central tent poles, uh in

1:19:39.120 --> 1:19:43.080
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the country now for regional stuff or

1:19:43.479 --> 1:19:45.720
<v Speaker 1>gatherings and things like this, and Saint Louis is just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of given up that. And I just think that that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's sort of the downsizing of Saint Louis

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<v Speaker 1>in general for a variety of reasons why it has

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<v Speaker 1>has been probably as big of a contributor to moving

1:19:58.640 --> 1:20:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Missouri out of the battle as anything else. So if

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<v Speaker 1>I were in charge of the national Party for the Democrats,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd actually be you know you certainly I think you

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<v Speaker 1>know it would be go solve your Saint Lewis problem first,

1:20:13.680 --> 1:20:15.639
<v Speaker 1>then start worrying about the rest of the state. And instead,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Kansas is ready to be a swing state.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where I be invested. Next question comes from Adam B.

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<v Speaker 1>And Charlestown, West Virginia. He says, hey, big fan here.

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<v Speaker 1>Seeing a recent interview with former presidents made me reflect

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<v Speaker 1>on how, despite political differences, many still feel a level

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<v Speaker 1>of respect for past leaders. Do you think Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>will continue to provoke strong, polarized reactions long after his

1:20:43.200 --> 1:20:45.720
<v Speaker 1>presidency or will time soften those divisions? And if not,

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<v Speaker 1>is that more about his leadership style or the modern

1:20:48.360 --> 1:20:52.439
<v Speaker 1>media environment. Thanks for everything you do, Adam b. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm inclined to believe it's his leaderships, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>anything you get out of something that you put into it. Right,

1:20:59.520 --> 1:21:02.800
<v Speaker 1>If you if you lead with division, you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get division as a response. If you try to lead

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<v Speaker 1>with a sense of unity, you mean, if people don't

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<v Speaker 1>agree with your definition of what unity looks like, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be received, at least not positively as someone

1:21:16.040 --> 1:21:18.800
<v Speaker 1>who wanted to bring people together. Right. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking about this when I was putting together that

1:21:21.600 --> 1:21:25.759
<v Speaker 1>opening monologue about sort of how Donald Trump has handled

1:21:25.760 --> 1:21:29.880
<v Speaker 1>divisive times versus say, how George W. Bush did. George W.

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<v Speaker 1>Bush made sure right after nine to eleven to make

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<v Speaker 1>it clear to the Muslim world we were not at

1:21:35.960 --> 1:21:39.720
<v Speaker 1>war with them. And that people shouldn't be taking out

1:21:39.760 --> 1:21:43.760
<v Speaker 1>their anger on members of that faith. Went out of

1:21:43.800 --> 1:21:48.200
<v Speaker 1>his way to do that after nine to eleven? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think this president would have done that? So my

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<v Speaker 1>point is is that I think that what you're experiencing

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, and I think you could feel it

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<v Speaker 1>in the genuine affection that many Americans have for George W. Bush,

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<v Speaker 1>who probably didn't vote for him the second time perhaps

1:22:06.360 --> 1:22:07.760
<v Speaker 1>or don't want to, or didn't vote for him the

1:22:07.760 --> 1:22:09.320
<v Speaker 1>first time, or maybe didn't vote for him at all,

1:22:10.520 --> 1:22:15.040
<v Speaker 1>because he cared you know, you know, you cannot say

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't care about the country and he didn't care

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<v Speaker 1>about people. You may have disagreed with his tactics, you

1:22:20.520 --> 1:22:24.400
<v Speaker 1>may have disagreed with his policies, but you you got

1:22:24.400 --> 1:22:27.000
<v Speaker 1>a sense that he genuinely cared about the country and

1:22:27.040 --> 1:22:30.280
<v Speaker 1>he genuinely cared about everybody, even people that he disagreed with.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Donald Trump wants to deport people that disagree

1:22:34.200 --> 1:22:42.680
<v Speaker 1>with him. He's openly talked about it. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you you get back what you put into it.

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<v Speaker 1>And to answer your question, will Donald Trump continue to

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<v Speaker 1>provoke strong polarized reactions long after his presidency or will

1:22:56.920 --> 1:22:59.679
<v Speaker 1>time soften those divisions. It's up to him to soften

1:22:59.720 --> 1:23:02.400
<v Speaker 1>the divis. It's not up to the rest of us.

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<v Speaker 1>It's up to him. Steven, Orange County, long time, first

1:23:09.680 --> 1:23:12.639
<v Speaker 1>time as a recovering Polly seinerd. Your commentaries bring back

1:23:12.640 --> 1:23:15.360
<v Speaker 1>fond memories of lectures from my favorite political science professors

1:23:15.640 --> 1:23:19.799
<v Speaker 1>in college decades ago. That can I just stop right there, Steve,

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<v Speaker 1>that is the single best compliment you can's that's I

1:23:24.320 --> 1:23:28.200
<v Speaker 1>am tinily hoping. I just want to be I want

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<v Speaker 1>to make it fun and interesting. So thank you. During

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<v Speaker 1>one of your recent podcasts, you said the writing is

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<v Speaker 1>on the wall that Trump is in lame Duk territory.

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<v Speaker 1>Since Trump almost certainly will not go quietly into the

1:23:37.680 --> 1:23:39.840
<v Speaker 1>night like most of his predecessors, how likely is it

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<v Speaker 1>that there will be a bigger faction of Republicans willing

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<v Speaker 1>to push back against him without going the way of

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Flake, Bensas or Tom Tillis Someone's besides from Paul

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<v Speaker 1>at least. Thanks well. I think you know as you see,

1:23:52.720 --> 1:23:59.799
<v Speaker 1>it's sort of it starts incrementally. If Thomas Massey survives

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<v Speaker 1>as primary. I think that's another step and you'll see

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<v Speaker 1>more one of these things is nobody wants to be first.

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<v Speaker 1>But as as more Republicans survive the wrath of Trump,

1:24:12.600 --> 1:24:16.439
<v Speaker 1>then you know, so Tom Tillis's protests worked. It got

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<v Speaker 1>Trump and the Justice Department to back down on their

1:24:19.080 --> 1:24:23.439
<v Speaker 1>trump up charges against Powell. Right, as more Republicans see

1:24:23.520 --> 1:24:27.920
<v Speaker 1>certain things work and the pushback works, then more will

1:24:27.920 --> 1:24:30.040
<v Speaker 1>get comfortable doing it. So I think it's one of

1:24:30.040 --> 1:24:35.160
<v Speaker 1>those things. This is why, just politically, if you're Donald Trump,

1:24:35.320 --> 1:24:38.719
<v Speaker 1>you care so much about this Thomas Massey primary more really,

1:24:38.720 --> 1:24:43.040
<v Speaker 1>more than anything else, because he has put this guy

1:24:43.120 --> 1:24:45.880
<v Speaker 1>on blast for almost a year now, and if he

1:24:45.960 --> 1:24:49.639
<v Speaker 1>can't take him out in as Republican of an area

1:24:49.680 --> 1:24:53.120
<v Speaker 1>as you can find in Kentucky, in theory a mega area,

1:24:55.640 --> 1:24:59.520
<v Speaker 1>that will stiffen the spine of a lot of Republicans

1:24:59.560 --> 1:25:01.640
<v Speaker 1>who maybe you're quiet right now, but would like to

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<v Speaker 1>push back. So it's one of those things that every

1:25:08.960 --> 1:25:15.240
<v Speaker 1>every little incremental pushback of the president, every stumble, every

1:25:15.280 --> 1:25:22.240
<v Speaker 1>special election loss, only increases the courage of those who

1:25:22.280 --> 1:25:25.439
<v Speaker 1>realize they're the ones left holding the bag and the bill,

1:25:26.080 --> 1:25:29.280
<v Speaker 1>and then they'll start to get a little and little

1:25:29.360 --> 1:25:33.920
<v Speaker 1>a little more each time. I don't ever expect this

1:25:34.080 --> 1:25:36.360
<v Speaker 1>to look like a rush and a flip and a

1:25:36.360 --> 1:25:39.559
<v Speaker 1>sea change. It will be one of those things, more

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<v Speaker 1>like the hockey stick where all of a sudden, you're like,

1:25:41.520 --> 1:25:44.080
<v Speaker 1>holy cow, third of the party is now voting against

1:25:44.120 --> 1:25:47.559
<v Speaker 1>him regularly. Now, that might not happen until the summer

1:25:47.600 --> 1:25:51.800
<v Speaker 1>of twenty eight, but you're starting. I do believe that

1:25:51.880 --> 1:25:53.680
<v Speaker 1>it's sort of we're in the stages, and it's one

1:25:53.680 --> 1:25:56.640
<v Speaker 1>of those things that it's like, you know, we never

1:25:56.760 --> 1:26:00.000
<v Speaker 1>we always know when recessions begin, but not until left

1:26:00.080 --> 1:26:03.640
<v Speaker 1>the fact, it's kind of with lame duck status, you know,

1:26:03.760 --> 1:26:07.519
<v Speaker 1>is it right now? Has it already begun? Did it?

1:26:07.680 --> 1:26:09.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, did it begin with the you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>know with the twenty five elections. You know, we'll we'll

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<v Speaker 1>we'll post date this at some point. But we're in

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<v Speaker 1>the uh, we're definitely in the in the landing zone

1:26:18.600 --> 1:26:26.880
<v Speaker 1>of lame duck, of lame duckness. Take one more question,

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<v Speaker 1>so number seven here, uh, Lisa, Then we will save

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<v Speaker 1>eight and nine for the next episode. Andy, why from

1:26:38.760 --> 1:26:42.719
<v Speaker 1>a Milliewauk rights You mentioned recently that Trump maybe setting

1:26:42.800 --> 1:26:44.680
<v Speaker 1>vance up to fail, and it made me wonder if

1:26:44.720 --> 1:26:47.479
<v Speaker 1>vancies that too. Could he be positioning himself to benefit

1:26:47.520 --> 1:26:50.040
<v Speaker 1>it from it? Long term? Is there a scenario where

1:26:50.040 --> 1:26:52.200
<v Speaker 1>he distanced himself at the right moment to capture voters

1:26:52.200 --> 1:26:54.599
<v Speaker 1>who are aligned with Trump's agenda but fatigued by him personally?

1:26:54.840 --> 1:26:57.599
<v Speaker 1>Are the risks of staying tied to Trump too high

1:26:57.880 --> 1:27:03.880
<v Speaker 1>for that to be a viable strategy? Best Andy, Why Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Well,

1:27:06.200 --> 1:27:10.080
<v Speaker 1>we actually the question would be have has Trump had

1:27:10.080 --> 1:27:12.320
<v Speaker 1>a vice president who tried to do this? The answer

1:27:12.360 --> 1:27:16.280
<v Speaker 1>is yes, right, I was thinking about Pence the whole

1:27:16.320 --> 1:27:19.000
<v Speaker 1>time that you were asking this question. And I know

1:27:19.080 --> 1:27:23.360
<v Speaker 1>what Pence thought to himself starting in January of twenty

1:27:23.400 --> 1:27:25.920
<v Speaker 1>twenty one, and frankly thought all the way through when

1:27:25.960 --> 1:27:28.439
<v Speaker 1>he started running for president in January of twenty twenty three,

1:27:30.360 --> 1:27:33.599
<v Speaker 1>that there was a scenario where he would distance himself

1:27:33.600 --> 1:27:36.639
<v Speaker 1>at the right moment January six, that he could capture

1:27:36.680 --> 1:27:39.000
<v Speaker 1>voters who were aligned with Trump's agenda, that you know

1:27:39.040 --> 1:27:40.720
<v Speaker 1>that he agreed with what Trump was trying to do,

1:27:40.760 --> 1:27:43.120
<v Speaker 1>He just didn't like what he was doing and they

1:27:43.120 --> 1:27:45.640
<v Speaker 1>were tired of him personally. That was Pence's theory of

1:27:45.640 --> 1:27:47.960
<v Speaker 1>the case. It is still Pence's theory of the case.

1:27:49.880 --> 1:27:52.280
<v Speaker 1>I think long term, Like, I think he really is

1:27:52.320 --> 1:27:54.599
<v Speaker 1>playing a long game. He's trying to start an alternative

1:27:54.600 --> 1:27:58.599
<v Speaker 1>heritage that he wants to be the guy if there,

1:27:58.680 --> 1:28:01.960
<v Speaker 1>if this version of the concert servative movement collapses, and

1:28:02.360 --> 1:28:05.160
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of evidence that Trump's movement will collapse

1:28:05.200 --> 1:28:08.640
<v Speaker 1>at some point, Pence wants to be the guy organizing

1:28:08.840 --> 1:28:11.760
<v Speaker 1>the next conservative movement or sort of a revitalized version

1:28:11.760 --> 1:28:16.640
<v Speaker 1>of it. So, but I ask you, I'll flip it

1:28:16.680 --> 1:28:20.840
<v Speaker 1>to you, is that, you know, if that's a long game?

1:28:21.160 --> 1:28:23.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, is can both these guys be playing the

1:28:23.920 --> 1:28:26.839
<v Speaker 1>long game like this, right? Or I am more inclined

1:28:26.840 --> 1:28:29.519
<v Speaker 1>to believe that the stain of Trump is too hard

1:28:29.560 --> 1:28:33.160
<v Speaker 1>to get rid of and then it is too difficult

1:28:33.200 --> 1:28:35.360
<v Speaker 1>to try to be to try to be a half

1:28:35.400 --> 1:28:38.599
<v Speaker 1>measure version of it. We're going to find out, right,

1:28:38.680 --> 1:28:42.559
<v Speaker 1>I think you're going to have a variety of candidates

1:28:42.600 --> 1:28:44.840
<v Speaker 1>who say that they're you know, they're they're the real

1:28:46.080 --> 1:28:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Maga movement, and you know, I think I think that's

1:28:49.160 --> 1:28:51.840
<v Speaker 1>how Ran Paul might position himself. And I think Pennce

1:28:51.880 --> 1:28:53.599
<v Speaker 1>is going to position himself as more of a traditional

1:28:53.680 --> 1:29:04.479
<v Speaker 1>conservative who's who's also moral upstanding, you know, I think

1:29:04.520 --> 1:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>it's Vance that is. You know, Vance has never really

1:29:09.920 --> 1:29:12.720
<v Speaker 1>been a part of any of any any politic you know,

1:29:12.760 --> 1:29:15.360
<v Speaker 1>He's never really had success being his own, having his

1:29:15.360 --> 1:29:21.160
<v Speaker 1>own political identity, right, His entire political identity was rescued

1:29:21.160 --> 1:29:23.599
<v Speaker 1>by Donald Trump with that endorsement in the Senate primary

1:29:23.600 --> 1:29:27.799
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty two. So Pence had a political identity

1:29:27.840 --> 1:29:30.360
<v Speaker 1>before Donald Trump, right. In fact, Donald Trump needed a

1:29:30.400 --> 1:29:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Mike Pence. Donald Trump didn't need a Jadvance, just the opposite, right,

1:29:36.280 --> 1:29:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Vance needed Trump. So that's why I'm skeptical that there's

1:29:41.840 --> 1:29:44.719
<v Speaker 1>any any sort of you know, Rubio is more likely

1:29:44.720 --> 1:29:46.559
<v Speaker 1>to have the ability, because again, he had a political

1:29:46.560 --> 1:29:50.640
<v Speaker 1>identity pre Trump Vance and didn't really have a sustainable

1:29:50.640 --> 1:29:53.439
<v Speaker 1>put right, you know, once he started running for office,

1:29:53.479 --> 1:29:55.240
<v Speaker 1>he tried, he tried to do it with his own

1:29:55.280 --> 1:30:01.800
<v Speaker 1>political identity and couldn't and instead just sort of my

1:30:01.920 --> 1:30:04.439
<v Speaker 1>most cynical version of it, Peter Teal bought the Trump

1:30:04.520 --> 1:30:08.120
<v Speaker 1>endorsement for Bants hard stop right in some form or another,

1:30:08.640 --> 1:30:14.479
<v Speaker 1>and here we are. And that's why I'm I'm pretty

1:30:14.479 --> 1:30:20.120
<v Speaker 1>skeptical on that front. All Right, a few draft reactions.

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<v Speaker 1>Number One, I'm really happy for Carson Beck pretty cool

1:30:24.439 --> 1:30:29.519
<v Speaker 1>that he's QB three. Look, he understood he has been

1:30:29.640 --> 1:30:32.479
<v Speaker 1>in two different offenses, and I think that that just

1:30:32.560 --> 1:30:36.719
<v Speaker 1>helps you transition better. So I do think he'll transition well.

1:30:37.400 --> 1:30:39.880
<v Speaker 1>He does well in the scripted portion. You know, he

1:30:39.960 --> 1:30:44.200
<v Speaker 1>struggles a little bit when when offensive line protection falls behind,

1:30:44.200 --> 1:30:46.200
<v Speaker 1>and we'll see I mean, he was behind arguably one

1:30:46.200 --> 1:30:48.200
<v Speaker 1>of the best offensive lines in the history of the

1:30:48.240 --> 1:30:51.519
<v Speaker 1>University of Miami. He's not going to have that right

1:30:51.560 --> 1:30:54.960
<v Speaker 1>away at Arizona, but he's going to get a chance.

1:30:55.000 --> 1:30:58.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm guessing he'll be the starter by somewhere

1:30:58.080 --> 1:31:00.200
<v Speaker 1>in the you know, barring injury or something like that,

1:31:00.320 --> 1:31:02.960
<v Speaker 1>or just a total inability to get the playbook, which

1:31:02.960 --> 1:31:08.760
<v Speaker 1>I just find unlikely. You know, he's going to get

1:31:08.800 --> 1:31:10.800
<v Speaker 1>a real chance, and you just you don't know if

1:31:10.800 --> 1:31:12.080
<v Speaker 1>you're going to get a situation where you get it.

1:31:12.160 --> 1:31:13.559
<v Speaker 1>So I'm just happy he's going to get a chance.

1:31:13.760 --> 1:31:16.880
<v Speaker 1>It's Arizona, we know it's Uphill. You know, that's a

1:31:16.920 --> 1:31:18.960
<v Speaker 1>franchise that just never seems to get out of its

1:31:18.960 --> 1:31:23.000
<v Speaker 1>own way, right, But now get to have Trey McBride

1:31:23.000 --> 1:31:24.920
<v Speaker 1>to throw four that three. That's pretty good. He's got

1:31:24.920 --> 1:31:27.639
<v Speaker 1>Marvin Harrison there, he's got Jeremiah Love. I mean, there's

1:31:27.680 --> 1:31:30.160
<v Speaker 1>some interesting tools there. I mean, he's so I'm happy

1:31:30.160 --> 1:31:35.439
<v Speaker 1>for him. That's exciting. I'm trying to remember the last

1:31:35.439 --> 1:31:37.240
<v Speaker 1>time in the nursery of Mimmy had two starting quarterbacks

1:31:37.240 --> 1:31:39.360
<v Speaker 1>simultaneously in the NFL. I think we have to go

1:31:39.400 --> 1:31:43.919
<v Speaker 1>back to the Vidie Bernie era for that. So that's

1:31:43.960 --> 1:31:49.320
<v Speaker 1>that would be That would be fun. Look, the you

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<v Speaker 1>got to say, got to got to give the Packers credit.

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<v Speaker 1>What they told the press before the draft is what

1:31:54.280 --> 1:31:57.280
<v Speaker 1>they did. They said they need to work on cornerback.

1:31:57.320 --> 1:31:59.800
<v Speaker 1>First pick was a quarterback with a C by the

1:31:59.800 --> 1:32:02.880
<v Speaker 1>way corner and that quarter a little bit of a

1:32:02.920 --> 1:32:07.280
<v Speaker 1>project out of South Carolina, but huge athletic upside. But frankly,

1:32:07.320 --> 1:32:10.280
<v Speaker 1>this is what the Packers do, right. They loved draft

1:32:10.280 --> 1:32:13.040
<v Speaker 1>guys like that are just you know, I have all

1:32:13.080 --> 1:32:16.080
<v Speaker 1>this athletic ability, but you know, need a refinement here,

1:32:16.120 --> 1:32:20.400
<v Speaker 1>a refinement there. Their believers in their system, and frankly,

1:32:20.439 --> 1:32:23.080
<v Speaker 1>it usually works out pretty well. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I would put the Packers up against anybody in their

1:32:26.040 --> 1:32:28.840
<v Speaker 1>record of particularly I just feel like they kill it

1:32:29.240 --> 1:32:32.720
<v Speaker 1>frequently kill it in the second round. First round, they

1:32:32.720 --> 1:32:35.000
<v Speaker 1>can be all over the map. So needless to say,

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<v Speaker 1>I liked our first round pick this year because it

1:32:37.320 --> 1:32:39.680
<v Speaker 1>was Michael Parsons. We traded it away as part of

1:32:39.720 --> 1:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>that trade. So I like that. One other note that

1:32:42.960 --> 1:32:46.320
<v Speaker 1>I think is interesting about the draft that you know,

1:32:46.800 --> 1:32:49.759
<v Speaker 1>so there's been all this stuff about nil and how

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<v Speaker 1>the last three rounds of the draft there was just,

1:32:53.600 --> 1:32:56.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, the talent fell off a cliff because those

1:32:57.080 --> 1:33:00.439
<v Speaker 1>tweener players, those players that had some upside now stay

1:33:00.479 --> 1:33:02.960
<v Speaker 1>in college an extra year, they get refined, and then

1:33:02.960 --> 1:33:04.599
<v Speaker 1>they end up being drafted in one of the first

1:33:04.640 --> 1:33:09.080
<v Speaker 1>three rounds. Right, So you have this what you have

1:33:09.240 --> 1:33:18.040
<v Speaker 1>right now, is you have is you have the first

1:33:18.200 --> 1:33:22.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think the first seventy players off the

1:33:22.720 --> 1:33:26.599
<v Speaker 1>board all now, if you know, they've all played quite

1:33:26.600 --> 1:33:29.280
<v Speaker 1>a few snaps. There's a few exceptions. Ty Simpson's an exception,

1:33:31.640 --> 1:33:38.840
<v Speaker 1>but they've all played a lot of college ball, right

1:33:38.920 --> 1:33:41.000
<v Speaker 1>where there's fewer that are coming out early for the

1:33:41.040 --> 1:33:43.559
<v Speaker 1>money because you're actually better off staying getting the money, right.

1:33:43.760 --> 1:33:46.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, David Bailey is as good of an example

1:33:46.160 --> 1:33:49.599
<v Speaker 1>as anybody, right, He's a guy that contemplated going to Harvard,

1:33:49.840 --> 1:33:51.760
<v Speaker 1>decides to go to Stanford, gets his degree early, then

1:33:51.840 --> 1:33:53.960
<v Speaker 1>ends up playing one year in Texas Tech, and Nne

1:33:54.040 --> 1:33:56.800
<v Speaker 1>becomes the number two overall pick. Right. Cam Ward is

1:33:56.840 --> 1:33:59.560
<v Speaker 1>another one right from last year for Nanna. Mendoz is

1:33:59.560 --> 1:34:02.759
<v Speaker 1>another one he could have after graduating Cal left early

1:34:02.800 --> 1:34:05.000
<v Speaker 1>and then would have been a third or fourth round pick.

1:34:05.560 --> 1:34:08.720
<v Speaker 1>So you've done all this. Here's something else that I

1:34:08.800 --> 1:34:14.439
<v Speaker 1>noticed right the top ten picks. First pick was in

1:34:14.479 --> 1:34:17.080
<v Speaker 1>the playoff, Second pick was in the playoff, Third pick

1:34:17.120 --> 1:34:19.040
<v Speaker 1>was Notre Dame should have been in the playoff. Fourth

1:34:19.080 --> 1:34:21.400
<v Speaker 1>pick was in the playoff. Fifth pick was in the playoff.

1:34:21.720 --> 1:34:24.720
<v Speaker 1>Sixth pifth with LSU not in the playoff. Seventh pick

1:34:24.760 --> 1:34:27.120
<v Speaker 1>was in the playoff. Eighth pick was not in the playoff,

1:34:27.760 --> 1:34:30.040
<v Speaker 1>neither was the ninth pick, but the tenth pick was. Right.

1:34:31.000 --> 1:34:33.920
<v Speaker 1>You start to go through here, and the first round

1:34:34.080 --> 1:34:39.240
<v Speaker 1>is just essentially the entire top ten Indiana, Texas Tech,

1:34:39.400 --> 1:34:48.439
<v Speaker 1>Notre Dame, Ohio State, Miami, Alabama, Oregon, Georgia, Texas, A

1:34:48.520 --> 1:34:54.160
<v Speaker 1>and M. And then you look at the schools that

1:34:54.240 --> 1:34:57.599
<v Speaker 1>weren't in the top ten, that had players LSU projected

1:34:57.640 --> 1:34:59.880
<v Speaker 1>to be there. Arizona State a playoff team the year before,

1:35:00.120 --> 1:35:03.639
<v Speaker 1>Utah projected to be a contender for there. Penn State

1:35:04.240 --> 1:35:07.920
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to be there, Clemson was supposed to be there,

1:35:07.280 --> 1:35:11.759
<v Speaker 1>Florida was supposed to be better than they were, usc

1:35:11.960 --> 1:35:15.280
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to be there, you know, So it is

1:35:15.960 --> 1:35:19.000
<v Speaker 1>I think what you're seeing is just what NIL is doing,

1:35:19.040 --> 1:35:21.840
<v Speaker 1>which is it You're going to have more prepared for

1:35:22.000 --> 1:35:23.880
<v Speaker 1>More first rounders are going to be starters in the

1:35:23.960 --> 1:35:27.439
<v Speaker 1>NFL than ever before, more second rounders, and more third rounders.

1:35:27.600 --> 1:35:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Then you're going to have this just sort of a

1:35:29.960 --> 1:35:33.120
<v Speaker 1>lot more experimental picks. So this is where I think

1:35:33.200 --> 1:35:36.479
<v Speaker 1>over the next couple of years, you'll start to see

1:35:36.479 --> 1:35:40.679
<v Speaker 1>more of the foreign academies get into the fourth, fifth,

1:35:40.680 --> 1:35:44.479
<v Speaker 1>and sixth round where instead of drafting somebody who didn't

1:35:44.479 --> 1:35:48.280
<v Speaker 1>get noticed by the POWERFO conferences and paid NIL money

1:35:48.320 --> 1:35:51.439
<v Speaker 1>to come join them, you know, taking a flyer and

1:35:51.560 --> 1:35:53.519
<v Speaker 1>somebody at North Dakota State, they you'd rather take a

1:35:53.520 --> 1:35:56.120
<v Speaker 1>flyer and somebody that went through the Australia Academy or

1:35:56.160 --> 1:35:58.679
<v Speaker 1>went through the Canada Academy, went through Canadian high school.

1:35:59.080 --> 1:36:02.360
<v Speaker 1>I just think you're going to see more of more

1:36:02.880 --> 1:36:08.160
<v Speaker 1>that more diverse, because ultimately you know they want they

1:36:08.160 --> 1:36:10.200
<v Speaker 1>want these picks to matter, and you may see also

1:36:10.360 --> 1:36:13.280
<v Speaker 1>more teams trade away these fifth, sixth, and seventh round

1:36:13.280 --> 1:36:16.160
<v Speaker 1>picks and they start to seem less valuable, more experimental.

1:36:16.640 --> 1:36:19.080
<v Speaker 1>But look, everything is, We're still only two or three

1:36:19.120 --> 1:36:21.800
<v Speaker 1>years into Like this feels like the first draft of

1:36:21.840 --> 1:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>the more mature in IL era. And it's why I

1:36:25.960 --> 1:36:29.920
<v Speaker 1>think the last part of the draft really is filled

1:36:29.920 --> 1:36:31.720
<v Speaker 1>with guys that are probably not going to make the team.

1:36:31.760 --> 1:36:35.679
<v Speaker 1>Where before you still thought you were drafting special teams

1:36:35.720 --> 1:36:37.840
<v Speaker 1>guys in the sixth and seventh round, and I think

1:36:37.840 --> 1:36:42.000
<v Speaker 1>it's just less likely, less likely you're going to have that.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, the next time I see you, how many

1:36:49.560 --> 1:36:55.160
<v Speaker 1>NBA First round matchups will be over? Will it be done?

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<v Speaker 1>Will it be done in Houston? That's the big question

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<v Speaker 1>I have. Right you will next hear from me, We

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<v Speaker 1>will tape. I will tape on Tuesday. You will next

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<v Speaker 1>hear from the air. How many series will be officially

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<v Speaker 1>over by the time I drop on Wednesday morning? One,

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<v Speaker 1>two or three? I'm gonna guess just I'm gonna guess two.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go with two, But we shall see. All

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<v Speaker 1>right with that, I've gone quite a bit. Obviously, I

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot to say about the weekends incidents. I

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<v Speaker 1>heard from a lot of you appreciate it. Don't worry

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<v Speaker 1>about me. We know I do know. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>think I know how to keep my head on a

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<v Speaker 1>swivel and I sort of look at all of these

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<v Speaker 1>events with eyes wide open. But we all need to

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<v Speaker 1>be vigilant out there a little bit. Number one and

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<v Speaker 1>number two, we all need to do our part to

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<v Speaker 1>de escalate, depolarize. Our institutions are geared towards polarizations, the

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<v Speaker 1>algorithms are geared towards polarizations. We as voters have to

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<v Speaker 1>find less polarizing people and be putting them in leadership positions.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we need to fix some of the systems, right.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to get rid of parson primaries, no doubt

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<v Speaker 1>about it. That's a massive contributor to this. But the

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<v Speaker 1>partisan leadership, right, partisanal primaries give us more partisan leadership.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course we have a president who is intentionally

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<v Speaker 1>divisive and all of that trickles down. So we all

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<v Speaker 1>have some work to do, but it starts with demanding better,

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<v Speaker 1>more moderate and temperament. Moderate does not mean some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of uncomfortable compromise between the left and right. Moderate means

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<v Speaker 1>for me, temperament matters more. Temperament and character matter more

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<v Speaker 1>in making a president than ideology or policy position. And

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<v Speaker 1>with that a sail for eight hours.