Speaker 1: Hey everybody.
Speaker 2: It is Monday, July fifteenth, twent seed twenty four. Welcome
Speaker 2: to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. I didn't bother to
Speaker 2: write an interro for today show. It's me and your
Speaker 2: random g Marcus Grant joined by Michael f Florio and
Speaker 2: LaQuan Jones.
Speaker 1: And Okay, I just want to I want to stalk here.
Speaker 1: I just want to say, like, I'm sorry, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: let's go. We're I know, I'm being genuine, I'm being sincere.
Speaker 2: Like I know we've given you a hard time on
Speaker 2: this show and generally in the office about being an
Speaker 2: England football supporter and uh and that sort of thing, but.
Speaker 1: Like you guys got close to it, like it's it's hard.
Speaker 2: It is legitimately a hard thing to watch your team
Speaker 2: lose in a championship game. So like, yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: it's all funny games. We're gonna, you know, give you
Speaker 2: hell in the text chat like it's just gonna happen.
Speaker 1: But like I legitimately feel I'm sorry for you. It
Speaker 1: was a tough weekend for you, for sure.
Speaker 3: It's okay, It's okay. Like a lot of my friends
Speaker 3: three you know, checking on on me, and I had
Speaker 3: some like team comps as well, and then I saw
Speaker 3: one yesterday It was like England's basically the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3: They can't get what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I heard some really great.
Speaker 3: Comps to teams and I was like, forty nine ers,
Speaker 3: that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I'll take that. You feel punch I got for you
Speaker 2: because the one I saw, the one I saw was
Speaker 2: that the England is like the Knicks of international soccer, right, so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Knicks have just see your mind in their
Speaker 4: own business.
Speaker 1: Forty nine ers. Look, we got the New York Jets.
Speaker 3: No shout out to Jack and the recharge department. He
Speaker 3: was like, they're basically the New York Jets, And I'm like,
Speaker 3: this is somewhat so the Jets don't even sniff a championship.
Speaker 1: The Jets don't.
Speaker 3: Get a little bit championships were in the sixties. That
Speaker 3: was his point.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, yeah, right, I get all right,
Speaker 1: there's so.
Speaker 3: Many good comps.
Speaker 4: How do you invent the sport and not win it
Speaker 4: since the sixties.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Ask the Canadians and hockey right like, they're struggling there,
Speaker 2: they're down bad.
Speaker 1: In the NHL.
Speaker 4: America started basketball and right now it looks like we're
Speaker 4: we're sitting pretty for gold in there. So there you go.
Speaker 2: I mean, America lost in the gold medal. We're like,
Speaker 2: you know what, we're sending our best Now We're like,
Speaker 2: screw it, we're done.
Speaker 1: We're done with the college guys out.
Speaker 2: Let's send Let's send the greatest collection of basketball talent
Speaker 2: of all time and show people what what's up with that? Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, Well, it's good that all all all of
Speaker 2: our teams caught strays this weekend.
Speaker 1: So that's cool, beautiful as.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's got a stray. Lqr's a direct shot.
Speaker 3: Uh, everybody else to feel it.
Speaker 2: And and everybody else, yeah sort of got you know,
Speaker 2: got an elbow in the side because of it.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: We are starting our division previews. We're gonna go through
Speaker 2: each of the eight divisions over our next few shows
Speaker 2: and kind of break down the teams what we expect
Speaker 2: for them fantasy wise. Today is the a f C West.
Speaker 2: The figure we start here because it is the division
Speaker 2: that also is home to the two time defending champions
Speaker 2: Again't City Chiefs, so it felt like a good place
Speaker 2: to start. In the meantime, though, let's start with a
Speaker 2: couple of I guess news and rumors is sort of
Speaker 2: the way we're describing because not actually news, it's sort
Speaker 2: of rumorish.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll start with James Connor.
Speaker 2: And we talked about James Connor on the show last
Speaker 2: week because the reports were he was still going to
Speaker 2: get the bulk of the work, which I don't think
Speaker 2: surprised really anybody, but Connor himself says, one thousand yards
Speaker 2: is the floor and not the ceiling. This is a
Speaker 2: guy who had his first one thousand yard rushing season
Speaker 2: last year in Arizona. He says that that now is
Speaker 2: the goal. That is the floor and not the ceiling.
Speaker 2: So I will ask both of you, started with you, Floria,
Speaker 2: what about what you project? Let me not have to
Speaker 2: be exact, but about what do you project for James
Speaker 2: Connor this year?
Speaker 4: I think over a thousand scrimmageyards feels pretty safe. He's
Speaker 4: done that in three straight years. The thing with Connor,
Speaker 4: and it's why with players like him, I don't love
Speaker 4: doing projections because you know he's gonna miss time. It's
Speaker 4: just a matter of how much time is he going
Speaker 4: to miss, So projecting him for like a full seventeen
Speaker 4: games doesn't feel like like genuine like. It feels a
Speaker 4: little disingenuous. But I think as long as he is
Speaker 4: out there for however many games he plays, he is
Speaker 4: going to give you borderline RB one numbers either being
Speaker 4: a low end RB one high end RB two in
Speaker 4: that like RB nine to fifteen ranges where I think
Speaker 4: he'll settle in in a per game basis. He's done
Speaker 4: it pretty much every year since he's been in and
Speaker 4: in Arizona, he's done it every year and pretty much
Speaker 4: since he stayed When he stays healthy and isn't dealing
Speaker 4: with injuries and stuff, he pretty much has been in
Speaker 4: RB one his whole career. So I still think he's
Speaker 4: got more left in the tank, and I don't expect
Speaker 4: that to change.
Speaker 2: I mean, Lakwan, this is the guy who's averaged in
Speaker 2: his career four point three yards per carry, which is
Speaker 2: not bad at all. I mean, that's a solid yards
Speaker 2: per carry out. Like Florio mentioned, it has been the injuries.
Speaker 2: He's never played more than fifteen games in a season,
Speaker 2: and that was that first year in Arizona. I mean,
Speaker 2: can he repeat as a thousand yard rush or is
Speaker 2: it just more of the thousand scrimmage yards you're looking at.
Speaker 3: I think he can get a thousand yards on the ground,
Speaker 3: And I honestly think we could probably see a full
Speaker 3: season out of James Connor because when we look at
Speaker 3: who his backup is, he's a capable back to step
Speaker 3: in as a guy that can kind of give him
Speaker 3: a breather from getting all these bumps and bruises. Like,
Speaker 3: if we really think about the last three seasons, who
Speaker 3: was James Connor getting let off the field for? Like
Speaker 3: who is his backups? Eno, Benjamin Chase Edmonds, Like these
Speaker 3: guys aren't going to be impactful guys to keep him
Speaker 3: from getting these bumps and bruises.
Speaker 1: Mercado's name place the other one.
Speaker 3: He had a good two week run. But I feel
Speaker 3: like there is no guy that they had back there
Speaker 3: capable of keeping him healthy a full season where he
Speaker 3: has to take max touches, where he has to take
Speaker 3: on past and red zone duty and all these other
Speaker 3: things in multiple hats he has to wear. So they've
Speaker 3: been committed to him having the full workload these last
Speaker 3: three seasons. They're openly and publicly saying it's his backfield,
Speaker 3: it's his guy. But we might see Tray Benton get
Speaker 3: sprinkled in, you know here and there, not anything noticeable
Speaker 3: to kind of take down his production. Because we know
Speaker 3: that James Connor has been super efficient these last two seasons.
Speaker 3: Coming off of a great season, a couple career highs.
Speaker 3: He had over thirty rushes of ten plus yards, which
Speaker 3: is the career high form two. I think we're getting
Speaker 3: the best version of James Conner this season that we
Speaker 3: could possibly see.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he has not hit the age
Speaker 2: cliff yet, right. He just turned twenty nine in May,
Speaker 2: which I was for some reason in my head, I
Speaker 2: had in my head that he was already thirty. But
Speaker 2: that's not the case. He just turned twenty nine. Coming
Speaker 2: off a thousand yard season. I think you can get
Speaker 2: it again. I think you can get another thousand yards.
Speaker 2: Now the question becomes, you know, in terms of his
Speaker 2: receiving numbers, He's never been a big time receiver. Just
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty five yards last year. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: wonder if it sort of stays around that number, especially
Speaker 2: now you've got Marvin Harrison. Trey McBride has established himself,
Speaker 2: heep seeing so much Greg Dortsch love.
Speaker 3: Yes, hes gonna get me excited. I'm smiling ear to
Speaker 3: ear right now. Yes, let's go.
Speaker 1: I mean so much, Greg Dortch love.
Speaker 2: So maybe maybe what what we are lacking in receiving potential,
Speaker 2: we are gaining in rushing potential.
Speaker 4: All of those guys should help create space near the
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage and running lanes. Because think about last year.
Speaker 4: You weren't afraid of whoever they were thrown out of.
Speaker 4: I'm throwing a blank on the quarterback before Kyler Murray
Speaker 4: and and when Kyler came back, all the receivers Clayton tune,
Speaker 4: Clayton tune, that's who jo Josh Dobbi. Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 4: were loading the box against James Connor against those guys
Speaker 4: still remain efficient though.
Speaker 3: That that's the great knock. I mean, that's a great
Speaker 3: nod to him. So I really feel as though we
Speaker 3: can get the best version of James Conner this year.
Speaker 1: Clayton tune. Yeah, man, that's more.
Speaker 4: Legit ex sleeper Clayton tune.
Speaker 2: I feel like that was when we got to draft
Speaker 2: a fantasy hot take silly season.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's when the news was slow.
Speaker 2: That's the all right, hurry up and let's just play
Speaker 2: some games for real, so we don't have to keep
Speaker 2: trying to find stuff anymore.
Speaker 1: They're always fun, always always a good time.
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence says he is quote really excited for twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four with quote a dynamic group of past catchers.
Speaker 1: I mean, Florida.
Speaker 2: You and I talked about Trevor Lawrence a lot last year,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I was definitely on the like, I can't
Speaker 2: draft the Jaguars receiver, but I can draft Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 2: and it didn't really work out that way.
Speaker 1: So this year, I mean they've revamped a few things.
Speaker 2: You know, Calvin Ridley is out, they draft Brian Thomas,
Speaker 2: they bring in Gabe Davis. I mean, they have Christian
Speaker 2: Kirk there. Evan Ingram is coming off his best career year.
Speaker 2: So I mean the quant I'll ask you how many
Speaker 2: pass catchers because there are a lot of options to
Speaker 2: go with the football, and I'm not even mentioning the
Speaker 2: fact that traves Et can catch the football when they
Speaker 2: need him to. How many pass catchers can this offense
Speaker 2: truly truly support for fantasy?
Speaker 3: I'll say three. And I say that because if we
Speaker 3: look at the first thirteen weeks when this team was
Speaker 3: fully healthy, this is before Trevor Lawrence Christian Kirk getting injured.
Speaker 3: You had three pass catchers average seven targets per game.
Speaker 3: That was Evan Ingram, Calvin Ridley, and Christian Kirk. That's
Speaker 3: a decent target share that I would love to have. Now,
Speaker 3: the three pass catchers going into this next season maybe
Speaker 3: up in question, but I think we can kind of
Speaker 3: lock Christian Kirk there as the one, but then it's
Speaker 3: kind of up in the air with Gabe Davis and
Speaker 3: Brian Thompson Junior as the two and three, which leads
Speaker 3: Evan Ingram as a guy, kind of out of this
Speaker 3: equation because they're moving towards a more vertical attack. Like
Speaker 3: even though Evan Ingram put his name in the hat
Speaker 3: like hey, you know, I wouldn't be used more like that.
Speaker 3: But then you look at Gabe Davis and Brian Thomas Junior.
Speaker 3: But they both can bring they both can stretch the field.
Speaker 3: So having two options to be able to go downfield
Speaker 3: and stretch the field is better than having two security
Speaker 3: blankets that he had in Christian Kirk and Evan Ingram,
Speaker 3: because that doesn't make this offense like scary, it makes
Speaker 3: it kind of like safe, secure and conservative, you know,
Speaker 3: having those two security blankets. So I honestly think man,
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence, Man, he's been getting better and better each
Speaker 3: season when it comes to passes, the twenty plus yards,
Speaker 3: his attention, his completion presented, even his passer rating increased
Speaker 3: tremendously in the last three seasons. So I kind of
Speaker 3: look at this as a lock is that he can
Speaker 3: support the three guys, so you definitely want to get
Speaker 3: a piece of those wide receivers.
Speaker 2: I thought LQ said something really interesting in there at Florio.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's had a lot of interesting things, but
Speaker 2: one thing that I really caught on was him saying
Speaker 2: Evaningram put his name in the hat to be a
Speaker 2: downfield threat. And I don't know, you know, we talked
Speaker 2: about this on the show last week, right because we
Speaker 2: had a good quote from him, and I think, I
Speaker 2: don't know when you between that quote and sort of
Speaker 2: Lakwan's suggestion here for Evan Ingram being a downfield threat,
Speaker 2: is it something we actually see in the offense or
Speaker 2: is it like Lakwan suggesting, like him raising his hand
Speaker 2: and saying he wants to be that guy, because that
Speaker 2: does make a difference in what we expect out of
Speaker 2: him this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he'll. I think they'll sprinkle it in more.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's going to become what his role
Speaker 4: is or anything like that. I just think it's because look,
Speaker 4: last year there were the three pass catchers, but Calvin Ridley,
Speaker 4: in my opinion, is so much better than Gabe Davis
Speaker 4: and what I expect out of year one Brian Thomas
Speaker 4: Junior to be So I think those two. I think
Speaker 4: whoever the third is, we'll see more volume than Zay Jones,
Speaker 4: but whoever the second is will see less volume than
Speaker 4: Calvin Ridley did, and they'll kind of I could see
Speaker 4: it being a week to week thing with those two guys.
Speaker 4: Gave Davis is very inconsistent, but he is a huge
Speaker 4: big play threat and he's a really good run blocker,
Speaker 4: so I don't see him leaving the field for real
Speaker 4: life purposes, but for fantasy purposes, I think he'll be
Speaker 4: up and down. But Brian Thomas Junior can also stretch
Speaker 4: the field, So because of that, I'm not sure we're
Speaker 4: going to see Evan Ingram acts to do a whole
Speaker 4: bunch and the more I dive into Evan Ingram the
Speaker 4: more I think he's gonna see say volume, I think
Speaker 4: he's a safe floor type of tight end pick. But
Speaker 4: last year he averaged fifty yards per game and did
Speaker 4: not score a touchdown while Christian Kirk was healthy. That's problematic.
Speaker 4: So I think, to me, it's like Christian Kirk and
Speaker 4: then I don't really feel great about any of the
Speaker 4: secondary pieces here.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, and again in Bestball drafts, I've taken
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas because I think where he's kind of falling
Speaker 2: in drafts, he's a nice later round pick with upside.
Speaker 2: He is, he feels like a better and best ball
Speaker 2: sort of guy. Yeah, but this feels like a situation
Speaker 2: where the ball is going to get spread around, and really,
Speaker 2: outside of Christian Kirk, I don't know who I can
Speaker 2: count on on a regular basis here, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm still looking at the Evan Ingram one hundred and
Speaker 2: fourteen catches for tight end record in sixty three yards.
Speaker 4: I literally tight end record. No tight end has ever
Speaker 4: had that many catches in a season. And despite that,
Speaker 4: of tight ends who had one hundred catches in a season,
Speaker 4: Evan Ingram is.
Speaker 2: The only one without a thousand yards, gets one hundred
Speaker 2: and fourteen catches, nine hundred and sixty.
Speaker 3: He could do it again if Christian Kirk gets hurt again, though,
Speaker 3: but we don't want.
Speaker 2: That and and four touchdowns, so he's not really a big.
Speaker 4: He had zero until Christian Kirk got hurt, which is insane.
Speaker 3: That's real nasty. We're like ironing out that we're fading
Speaker 3: Evan Ingram each and every week, like stacking on.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know, man, it just it feels frustrating.
Speaker 2: It just feels like, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 2: that many catches you would expect like he's having a
Speaker 2: huge year.
Speaker 3: Fall in once.
Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna dive into speaking of falling in,
Speaker 2: we're gonna fall into the AFC West and kind of
Speaker 2: goes through some team of previews, four teams, all with
Speaker 2: varying degrees.
Speaker 1: Of fantasy interest.
Speaker 2: Take a quick break, and we'll dive back into that
Speaker 2: coming up on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. So we
Speaker 2: start our division previews with the American Football Conference's Western Division.
Speaker 1: Four teams. As always, I list them in alphabetical order.
Speaker 2: This is not in terms of projected finish or you know,
Speaker 2: how much I like or dislike a team.
Speaker 4: No, do you think the Broncos are winning the division?
Speaker 2: Obviously? Yes, I mean mark it down. Sean Payton has
Speaker 2: taken into the Promised Land for sure.
Speaker 1: For sure.
Speaker 2: No, So we're gonna start with the Denver Broncos though.
Speaker 2: Of course last year top Fantasy scores quarterback Russell Wilson,
Speaker 2: who was QB fourteen, right that I had forgotten that
Speaker 2: like not. The QB fourteen is great, but it got
Speaker 2: me better than the dumpster fire. We talk about it
Speaker 2: as two hundred and fifty six point nine fantasy points
Speaker 2: QB fourteen. Davonte Williams the top running back in Denver
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy nine and change RB twenty nine.
Speaker 2: Courtland Sutton was the wide receiver thirty five overall one
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety point two points for him and the
Speaker 2: number one that tight end in Denver. It was bleak
Speaker 2: at that position there Adam Troutman sixty point four points.
Speaker 2: That was good for tight end thirty nine. Some of
Speaker 2: the notable losses Russell Wilson gone to Pittsburgh. Jerry Judy
Speaker 2: also out of Denver. Some of the guys they brought
Speaker 2: in Josh Reynolds they brought in as a free agent,
Speaker 2: went very offensive heavy in the draft. They spend the
Speaker 2: number twelve overall pick on bow Knicks fourth round pick
Speaker 2: on Troy Franklin, the wide receiver out of Oregon, so
Speaker 2: they pair him up with his old quarterback. Adric Estime,
Speaker 2: the running back from Notre Dame, goes in the fifth round,
Speaker 2: and Devon Vale wide receiver goes in the seventh round.
Speaker 2: Right now, first Bronco off the board is Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 2: But that's it, Like pick ninety ninety point five is
Speaker 2: the average pick for Courtland Sutton. So let's get into
Speaker 2: some key questions for this Broncos team Florida. Which quarterback
Speaker 2: would serve the offense better to start the season bo Knicks?
Speaker 2: Where we go with Stardom er Stidham.
Speaker 4: I'm going with Boe Nicks here. If Jared Sidam is
Speaker 4: maybe more NFL ready and ready to like steer the
Speaker 4: ship early on, he's a career backup and Boon Nicks
Speaker 4: is the future of this team. So I don't want
Speaker 4: it to be a weird year where it's like, all right,
Speaker 4: halfway through the year, we're switching quarterbacks and then we
Speaker 4: got like. I just feel like, you know, bon Nicks
Speaker 4: is at least the guy that you're giving the shot
Speaker 4: for this year and the year after. Let's see what
Speaker 4: you have in him. Let's throw him out there. He
Speaker 4: was also to me, I think like the prototypical Sean
Speaker 4: Payton style of quarterback. Lots of checkdowns, but he also
Speaker 4: has a strong arm where he can air it out.
Speaker 4: Peyton loves to do that, the downfield throw paired with
Speaker 4: a lot of short underneath stuff. And then he's a
Speaker 4: good athlete as well, So I think that could be
Speaker 4: where he's a little sneaky and fantasy obviously like a
Speaker 4: QB two nothing more, But I think he's a better
Speaker 4: athlete than he probably gets credit for it.
Speaker 1: All Right, how about you? How would you look on
Speaker 1: Bonnix or Jared Stidham.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go bo Nicks. Well, I mean, honestly, you
Speaker 3: look at Jared stim as a guy as the veteran.
Speaker 3: We see this move a lot where they bring in
Speaker 3: the veteran guy to kind of coach up the rookie prospect,
Speaker 3: and I think, you know, just to have Jared Stinham
Speaker 3: in that building to kind of kind of motivate Bo
Speaker 3: Nicks and kind of correct them on the small mistakes
Speaker 3: that he probably will make during camp and stuff like
Speaker 3: that to get him ready for Week one. So that's
Speaker 3: kind of how I look at it. Like Bo Knicks
Speaker 3: does have some QB two interest in those super flex
Speaker 3: leagues and redraft or whatever the case may be, because
Speaker 3: he's a sneaky, mobile quarterback. And you also have to
Speaker 3: account for having Troy Franklin in the building, Like the
Speaker 3: chemistry that he has with him is going to definitely
Speaker 3: translate to the NFL level with Sean payn and be
Speaker 3: able to deploy Bo Nicks and Troy Franklin together because
Speaker 3: you look at Troy Flanklin as a guy that can
Speaker 3: play the underneath close to the line of scribbage and
Speaker 3: a guy that can stretch the field. So having that
Speaker 3: timing and rhythm and chemistry with somebody already in the
Speaker 3: building is definitely going to give you a leg up,
Speaker 3: leg up going into week one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like I think Bo Knicks wins this
Speaker 2: job because it just makes the most sense, you know,
Speaker 2: like why, like you said, why would you ardit with
Speaker 2: Jared Stidham. You know, he's not the future of this franchise.
Speaker 2: Just put Nicks out there, let him, you know, sink
Speaker 2: or swim. I mean, he's gonna take his knock. So
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any doubt about that. But let's
Speaker 2: let's let's not even pretend like, let's not even do
Speaker 2: this charade about about who's gonna be the starting quarterback.
Speaker 2: I mean, unless unless Zach Wilson, anyone. Oh, we're not
Speaker 2: really no, we're not.
Speaker 4: We're not for the for the entertainment purposes.
Speaker 3: You can if Hard Knox was on, If Hart Knox
Speaker 3: was on, I definitely want to see the competition.
Speaker 4: That would be the worst Hard Knocks ever made. If
Speaker 4: it is a quarterback competition, Sham and Zach Wilson.
Speaker 3: John Peyton screaming at somebody.
Speaker 2: So I want to imagine Liev Schreiber trying to narrate
Speaker 2: that Zach Wilson from the New York Jets whatever. Uh So,
Speaker 2: you you sort of got into this, liqu but I'll
Speaker 2: just ask you to kind of dive in further.
Speaker 1: I mean, but you mentioned Troy Franklin. Are you are
Speaker 1: you drafting him?
Speaker 2: Are there any other Broncos wide receivers besides Courtland Sutton
Speaker 2: that you're worth taking a shot.
Speaker 3: On uh Man, Like we talked about Troy Franklin, Like,
Speaker 3: I love the talent, I love the chemistry that they're
Speaker 3: bringing over. It's I feel a little worried over all
Speaker 3: this offense as being fantasy relevant outside of something. So
Speaker 3: I'm kind of like on the wait and see approach.
Speaker 3: But you know me, I'm a return guy now, I'm
Speaker 3: just kind.
Speaker 1: Of I was wondering. I was like, I had a name,
Speaker 1: I had a name that.
Speaker 3: He has to come to my roster. So like he's
Speaker 3: one of those guys that you could get lately super late,
Speaker 3: don't have to invest anything. He probably ended up being
Speaker 3: a zombie on your betch if Nutting pops off for
Speaker 3: the return or on offense, if Sean Payton still doesn't
Speaker 3: know who he is. That's kind of how it's felt
Speaker 3: last But yeah, like you know, but I think Marvin
Speaker 3: Mems is like your dart throw in the back end.
Speaker 3: I can't see myself investing in Troy Franklin right now
Speaker 3: or even in drafts, because we already know camp around
Speaker 3: a corner, and his stock is gonna go up once
Speaker 3: we start seeing those videos about next downfield. Detroy Franklin, Oh,
Speaker 3: he's the whys ever one like we see this happen
Speaker 3: on the time too. I think Troy Franklin's price it's
Speaker 3: gonna get a little nasty for me.
Speaker 1: I mean, Florida. I can I just do a Josh Reynolds,
Speaker 1: a Tim Patrick Nobody like that?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: Tim Patrick is Look, he's a really good story to
Speaker 4: root for, and all the injuries he's been through and stuff,
Speaker 4: I don't think he is gonna be anywhere close to
Speaker 4: Fantasy relevant. I think Josh Reynolds will be good enough
Speaker 4: to ruin someone else's chances, Like we'll all get excited
Speaker 4: for Marvin Mims or Troy Franklin or something like that,
Speaker 4: and Josh Reynolds will see enough snaps like look, I
Speaker 4: mean last year on Fantasy Live, I was like calling
Speaker 4: out Champayton, being like Marvin Mims leads the NFL by
Speaker 4: far in the yards per route, ran Like, why what
Speaker 4: do we have to do to get him on the field.
Speaker 4: So I agree with lq's point there, But the thing is,
Speaker 4: I'd like both of those guys, Mims and Franklin. I
Speaker 4: like him in Best Ball, not only be because oh
Speaker 4: Best Ball, just because there's deeper rosters there. When in
Speaker 4: a regular redraft, we're talking fifteen rounds usually. I think
Speaker 4: those guys will probably be more waiver wire names to
Speaker 4: keep an eye on. But yeah, I think Troy Franklin
Speaker 4: is gonna get a lot of run because of the
Speaker 4: chemistry he has.
Speaker 3: With bone In.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I like Franklin again, he's he's I've
Speaker 2: taken him late in Best Balls a couple of times.
Speaker 2: But I don't think in redraft there's anybody besides Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 1: That I have any real interest in.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: I keep wanting to be like a value, But then
Speaker 4: I see the names around ahead of him, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I would take all these guys over Courtland.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that that's exactly sort of
Speaker 1: what happens.
Speaker 2: If you look at the names around Sutton, You're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I'd rather have these guys, especially because it's
Speaker 2: just hard to think he has the same touchdown production
Speaker 2: this year that he did like last year. What was
Speaker 2: it take suchdowns last year? And yeah, I don't see
Speaker 2: that's a big number. And in an offense that I
Speaker 2: just don't think scores a ton of points this year,
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem to happen. We don't have to spend
Speaker 2: a lot of time on this, but any any Broncos
Speaker 2: tight ends you guys are interested in at all.
Speaker 1: I mean we saw Adam Troutman scored sixty points last year.
Speaker 4: I don't know if any tight ends who's never had
Speaker 4: three hundred yards four years in their career who break
Speaker 4: out in year five, especially because Russell Wilson is supposed
Speaker 4: to be like the tight end.
Speaker 3: Guy, right, Yeah, I mean yeah, Bayden usually has a
Speaker 3: fantasy relevant tight end, you know with the sayings, you know,
Speaker 3: Jared Cook, Jim Graham. But I don't know, man, this
Speaker 3: ain't feeling like a Greg Dortch. I mean a Greg Dulsage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's also I mean he's got the foot
Speaker 2: injury he's kind of come back from, which I like
Speaker 2: Greg Dulsage coming out of college, and he was hurt
Speaker 2: that first year. He came in like midway through the season.
Speaker 2: But I remember when he first got on the field,
Speaker 2: and mind you, this was the Nathaniel Hackett offense. They
Speaker 2: used him almost immediately. It looked like he was gonna
Speaker 2: make an immediate but yeah, he struggled to stay healthy
Speaker 2: and I don't I don't know that that Sean Payton
Speaker 2: thinks of him the same way.
Speaker 1: That the previous coaching staff did. So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I think we can punt on on Broncos tight ends.
Speaker 3: I think it put one out.
Speaker 1: That's it. Yep. On two.
Speaker 2: The two time defending Super Bowl champion Kansas City Chiefs
Speaker 2: their scorers, their top scorers from last year. You'll be
Speaker 2: surprised to know that Patrick Mahomes was their top scoring quarterback.
Speaker 2: Really even I know right, came out of nowhere, even
Speaker 2: in a down year, in a bad year for Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 2: he was the QB eight two hundred and ninety four
Speaker 2: point one fantasy points. Their top scoring running back Isaiah
Speaker 2: Pacheco RB fifteen to thirteen point nine points for him.
Speaker 2: Their number one wide receiver fantasy wise was or she Rice.
Speaker 2: He was the wide receiver twenty seven overall two hundred
Speaker 2: and twelve and a half points, and shocking their top
Speaker 2: tight end, who was a guy named Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 1: I hear he's dating somebody famous. I'm not sure. Two
Speaker 1: hundred nineteen pointso yeah, I think that's it.
Speaker 2: Dms are on fire right after you're done. Two hundred
Speaker 2: nineteen point four points he was the tight end three.
Speaker 2: Some of the names, at least one of the important
Speaker 2: names that got out of the building, Mark Wez Valdez
Speaker 2: Scantling no longer in Kansas City, but they do bring
Speaker 2: in Marquise Brown, Hollywood Brown. They signed IRV Smith. You
Speaker 2: let IRV swerve dream is long since dead. They signed
Speaker 2: Carson Wentz to be the backup quarterback in case something
Speaker 2: would happen to their pride signing their quarterback possession there
Speaker 2: and then in the draft, they spent the number twenty
Speaker 2: eight overall pick in the first round on wide receiver
Speaker 2: Xavier Worthy and a fourth round pick on tight end
Speaker 2: Jared Wiley. First chief off the board, not a surprise.
Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey right around picked thirty six or thirty seven.
Speaker 2: So if you're talking about a twelve team draft, probably
Speaker 2: somewhere late in round three. All right, So I mentioned
Speaker 2: Florio that Mahomes any down year he was the QB eight.
Speaker 1: We were all like, what's wrong with Patrick Mahomes?
Speaker 2: He was still like top ten QB basically QB one overall.
Speaker 2: Can he bounce back though, to being a top five
Speaker 2: fantasy quarterback? In other words, will he go back to
Speaker 2: looking like the Patrick Mahomes that we have come to
Speaker 2: know so many years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll raise you one further. He has a path
Speaker 4: to be the QB one in fantasy football. Again, look,
Speaker 4: his odds are lower than like Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 4: You could throw in like Lamar there because he doesn't
Speaker 4: run nearly as much as those guys, especially near the
Speaker 4: goal line. So that is the cheat code for fantasy purposes.
Speaker 4: But let's not act like Patrick Mahomes doesn't have two
Speaker 4: five thousand yard seasons under his belt and another one
Speaker 4: where he threw for almost forty nine. And let's not
Speaker 4: act like he doesn't have a fifty touchdown season, a
Speaker 4: thirty eight, a thirty seven, and at forty one. Like
Speaker 4: this guy is the best of the best for a reason.
Speaker 4: The thing that has changed, though we didn't see it
Speaker 4: as much a year one, but we saw it a
Speaker 4: lot last year was the loss of Tyreek Hill. They
Speaker 4: didn't have that downfield threat and the offense became a
Speaker 4: whole lot of short underneath passes. Two years ago, he
Speaker 4: broke the record for short yards touchdown passes. That's hard
Speaker 4: to sustain, which is why we saw it dipped so
Speaker 4: much last year, but it doesn't have to sustain this year.
Speaker 4: They have the deep ball back. Marquis Brown is the
Speaker 4: best field stretcher they've had since Tyreek Hill. Xavier Worthy
Speaker 4: has the capability of being a really good field stretcher.
Speaker 4: He's also a good yat guy. Then you have Rice
Speaker 4: and Kelsey there who are good yack guys. This is
Speaker 4: the most complete Chiefs offense I think it has been
Speaker 4: since Tyreek Hill left. And again I wouldn't say it's
Speaker 4: as high as some of the other guys' chances because
Speaker 4: he doesn't run as much. But yeah, he can easily
Speaker 4: explode this year with those field stretchers and get back
Speaker 4: to what he once was where he's thrown for five
Speaker 4: thousand yards and forty plus touchdowns.
Speaker 2: You talk about not running, and we've always said that
Speaker 2: if you don't run, if you're not gonna get you know,
Speaker 2: I called the baseline like three four hundred yards on
Speaker 2: the ground.
Speaker 1: That you have to be incredibly efficient throwing the football.
Speaker 2: It was what Aaron Rodgers did a few years ago,
Speaker 2: right when he had like forty touchdowns and like five interceptions,
Speaker 2: Like you have to have that level of efficiency.
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes can have that level of efficiency.
Speaker 2: Like if there's a guy who can do it right now,
Speaker 2: he's the guy who can certainly do that now that
Speaker 2: they have him, now they have those added weapons for him.
Speaker 4: He also ran for a career high last year. And
Speaker 4: I don't think this gets enough talking points. Zero rushing
Speaker 4: touchdowns when the year before he had four, and every
Speaker 4: year prior to that, besides the year where he played
Speaker 4: one game he had at least two. Doesn't sound like
Speaker 4: a lot. But that's twelve to twenty four free fantasy
Speaker 4: points right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it does. It makes a difference.
Speaker 2: It adds up, especially at a position that is so
Speaker 2: bunched up at the top, right, like the top level
Speaker 2: guys are all still fairly close to each other. Something
Speaker 2: like that makes an absolute difference in the overall scoring.
Speaker 1: So Floyle talked.
Speaker 2: About the the help that they got just changing the
Speaker 2: offense or upgrading some pieces of the offense. Xavier Worthy,
Speaker 2: the first round pick that they bring in from the
Speaker 2: University of Texas, Lakwan, what are your expectations for him
Speaker 2: in redraft? Right, Like you can draft him in basketball,
Speaker 2: you don't have to worry about setting in line up
Speaker 2: for him. But is he a guy that we feel
Speaker 2: like we can start every week in redraft leagues.
Speaker 3: No, and I feel like it will be more so
Speaker 3: he'll be in that flex category, Like he'll be a
Speaker 3: guy that you can put in if he has the
Speaker 3: great matchup to beat the coverage. And honestly, I feel
Speaker 3: like Xavier Worthy is like fantasy hype right now. It's
Speaker 3: kind of like a little bit down since post draft,
Speaker 3: and I kind of like that to where his price
Speaker 3: isn't too expensive. So I'm willing to bring him on
Speaker 3: board as like my wide receiver four or five, you know,
Speaker 3: in my debt pieces, because I really think he can
Speaker 3: have some big spike weeks of being able to blow
Speaker 3: by the defense and make the big plays. Like I
Speaker 3: think we do get back to Patrick Mahomes that Floria
Speaker 3: was talking about like this two seasons ago. This dude
Speaker 3: just threw for five thousand yards when we had the
Speaker 3: most questions about his offense losing Tyreek Hill. So it's like,
Speaker 3: I think this offense is just as good as that
Speaker 3: offense that they had in twenty twenty two. To where
Speaker 3: it's in my mind is like if everybody stays healthy,
Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey, Marquis Brown or Sheid Rice and Xavier Worthy.
Speaker 3: Isaiah Pacheco is an underrated guy as well, involved in
Speaker 3: that passing game thanks to Matt Nag he always getting
Speaker 3: his running backs involved. So it's like this offense looks
Speaker 3: a lot better, a lot more solid to where like
Speaker 3: I think Xavier Worthy could be a worthy roster pick. See,
Speaker 3: they're you know, in a redraft being that he will
Speaker 3: be a guy that you can fluctuate, you know, some
Speaker 3: weeks based on matchups.
Speaker 2: So he mentioned, you know, you can't really mention Worthy
Speaker 2: right now without mentioning Hollywood Brown. Yeah, if if if Worthy,
Speaker 2: Florio is not a if He's like a you know,
Speaker 2: a matchup based or week to week kind of starter.
Speaker 2: Your expectations for for Marquise Brown? I mean is he
Speaker 2: high end wide receiver too? I mean what what would
Speaker 2: you expect from him this year?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think Brown is a big value right now. He's
Speaker 4: my personal favorite of the Chiefs wide receivers. And I
Speaker 4: was gonna ask you guys how you like them as well?
Speaker 4: And my thinking is, we don't know what's gonna happen
Speaker 4: with Rashid Rice and Worthy. I think we'll have a
Speaker 4: similar year to what Rachid Rice was last year, different
Speaker 4: style of playing stuff. But I think the Chiefs are
Speaker 4: gonna ease him along early on, and really in the
Speaker 4: second half kind of set him loose because the Chiefs
Speaker 4: don't care about September and October. They just want to
Speaker 4: get through it unscathed, and then they really start to care.
Speaker 4: So I think mark He's Brown on a one year deal,
Speaker 4: will be the number one wide receiver to start the year,
Speaker 4: and if he could stay healthy, I think that should
Speaker 4: carry out for the full season, and I think a
Speaker 4: career year could easily be on tap for Marque's Brown.
Speaker 4: Here low end high like wide receiver two. Like you said, Marcus,
Speaker 4: I think is kind of as long as he stays healthy.
Speaker 4: That feels more like the floor. Like I wouldn't be
Speaker 4: surprised if this guy flirted with a wide receiver one season.
Speaker 4: If he stays healthy for seventeen games, that is the
Speaker 4: big if. With Marquis Brown's help.
Speaker 2: I get the sense that they're gonna use him, that
Speaker 2: his role's going to evolve, And I think you kind
Speaker 2: of were sort of hinting at that too, Like I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if because last year to talk with
Speaker 2: the Chiefs was Hey, you know, they're just a short
Speaker 2: kind of a dink and dunk offense or a ball
Speaker 2: control offense. We're not seeing them air it out partial
Speaker 2: because they just didn't really have the personnel to do it.
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna see them really take shots early
Speaker 2: in the season, and now I think as they get
Speaker 2: later in the year, you'll see that offense sort of
Speaker 2: contract a little bit. And I think it might become
Speaker 2: because teams aren't just gonna give them the space to.
Speaker 1: Let Mahomes go bombs away every single week.
Speaker 2: But you've got the guys that, you know, we know
Speaker 2: what Rashie Rice can do with the ball in his hands,
Speaker 2: Xavier Worthy can be that guy, Hollywood Brown can be
Speaker 2: that guy. So I think you're gonna see them really
Speaker 2: be vertical early in the season, and you know, you know,
Speaker 2: Andy Reid's gonna have something up his sleeve. He's gonna
Speaker 2: cook something up. And then midway through the season they're
Speaker 2: gonna completely switch things up. We're gonna be like, damn,
Speaker 2: we should have seen this coming. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 2: think that's.
Speaker 4: Really care about early on, they just don't know there.
Speaker 2: They just have to work out the kinks because they
Speaker 2: know they're gonna be in the playoffs. They know they're
Speaker 2: gonna make a deep run in the playoffs. Let's just
Speaker 2: spend the first six weeks sort of ironing out the
Speaker 2: well with the Patriots too. I feel like the Patriots
Speaker 2: were like that sort of near the end of Brady's
Speaker 2: tenure there where.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a little bit.
Speaker 2: Rough sometimes at the start of the year, but by
Speaker 2: the time you got to like October, certainly by the
Speaker 2: time you got the Halloween, this thing was a well
Speaker 2: oiled machine.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And you're because you know, we'd always do that.
Speaker 2: There's always that thing, like six weeks into the season,
Speaker 2: like what's wrong with the Patriots? And then you know,
Speaker 2: they rip off like eight wins in a row, and
Speaker 2: you're like, nothing's wrong with the Patriots. You gonna win
Speaker 2: ano the Super Bowls year.
Speaker 4: I'm never doubting them again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, you gotta touch on this a little
Speaker 1: bit laquam.
Speaker 2: But I'll ask you, is is Isaah Pacheco going to
Speaker 2: be the workhorse in the Kansas City backfield?
Speaker 3: Uh? The signs are looking good for him to be
Speaker 3: the workhorse.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: I mean, like to me, is dust Like I'm not
Speaker 3: really like worried about him as the backup, and they
Speaker 3: haven't signed back Jared McKinnon. So there's a lot of
Speaker 3: passing opportunity for Isaiah Pachecko to evolve to be this
Speaker 3: type of running back to have over two hundred and
Speaker 3: thirty touches a season, and he's young. This guy runs angry.
Speaker 3: I mean if the ground could scream. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 3: this dude has workloadability in him, and you gotta love that.
Speaker 3: Matt Naggy is realizing, like I can get more out
Speaker 3: of this guy. I mean, this dude looks like he
Speaker 3: can be a RB one this season and not overall,
Speaker 3: but like an actual RB one because we're drafting him
Speaker 3: as if he's dressed as a RB two, which is fine,
Speaker 3: that's great value. Like when I go in the first round,
Speaker 3: I get a bijon and I can slap of Isaiah
Speaker 3: Pachecko behind him, and those couple of rounds later, I
Speaker 3: kind of like that build where I can just focus
Speaker 3: on my wide receivers in those early rounds. So it's like,
Speaker 3: Isaiah Pacheck is definitely a guy people should have on
Speaker 3: their radars, a workhorse running back.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's RB fifteen last year Floya. Could he
Speaker 2: get in the top ten this year or is fifteen
Speaker 2: about his ceiling?
Speaker 4: I he is my favorite value in the first four
Speaker 4: or five rounds right now. I have him as the
Speaker 4: RB eight, I believe. But I think top is easily
Speaker 4: in his range of outcomes because for everything LQ said
Speaker 4: I agree with and I would even take it aside.
Speaker 4: I think we saw it happen last season, Like late
Speaker 4: in the year, they were playing him a lot of
Speaker 4: snaps and he was going off. He was giving you
Speaker 4: close to twenty fantasy points per game, and then the
Speaker 4: passing game died, like his target rate doubled in year
Speaker 4: two from his rookie year. But as the year went on,
Speaker 4: especially in the playoffs, they just started throwing him the
Speaker 4: ball more and more and more. So I again, it
Speaker 4: could easily be one of those situations where, like eight
Speaker 4: weeks into the year, you're like, man, this guy is
Speaker 4: who he always is. He's an RB two because the
Speaker 4: Chiefs they want him healthy late in the year. They're
Speaker 4: probably not gonna give him the like a CMC workload
Speaker 4: early on, but the second half of the year and
Speaker 4: in the fantasy playoffs when things are weather's getting cold,
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. I think Pacheco's going to be
Speaker 4: a league winner, and he has quickly become my most
Speaker 4: early round drafted running back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I need to kind of get out of
Speaker 2: my because I think the the point that, you know,
Speaker 2: all they really did was was re signed Clyde Edwards
Speaker 2: Laire to a one year deal. I think that really
Speaker 2: signals that we are all in on Isaiah Pacheco, and
Speaker 2: I think I need to sort of wrap my head
Speaker 2: around next.
Speaker 1: I look at him and I'm like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's fine.
Speaker 1: Like I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't dislike him, I don't love him, but I
Speaker 2: think I have to realize that the Chiefs really like
Speaker 2: him and that that means more than anything.
Speaker 1: I think at this point, well, get the best offense
Speaker 1: in football that I think is critical critical. We're halfway
Speaker 1: through the AFC West.
Speaker 2: Uh, We're gonna find out will we be doing to
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams in drafts with Avante Adams wanted to do
Speaker 2: to Jimmy Garoppolo.
Speaker 1: Wait uh.
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Speaker 2: Up next to the Las Vegas Raiders. Your top fantasy
Speaker 2: quarterback in Vegas last year was Aidan O'Connell and his mustache.
Speaker 2: One hundred and thirty two point eight Fantasy points. QB
Speaker 2: twenty eight Josh Jacobs. It was not a great year
Speaker 2: for Josh Jacobs fantasy wise, just RB twenty eight hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty one point one fantasy points. Devonte Adam is
Speaker 2: still a top ten wide receiver. Last year he fell
Speaker 2: at number ten two hundred and sixty five point four
Speaker 2: fantasy points. Michael Mayer was your top tight end out
Speaker 2: of Vegas te thirty five seventy one point four points.
Speaker 2: In the offseason, they lost Josh Jacobs, They said goodbye
Speaker 2: to Jimmy Garoppolo, second by the hunter Renfro, who was
Speaker 2: kind of surprised, is still a free agent right now,
Speaker 2: and DeAndre Carter also gone. They brought in Gardner Minshew
Speaker 2: as a free agent. They also signed Alexander Madison in
Speaker 2: the draft. Lay smean the number thirteen overall pick on
Speaker 2: brock Bowers, the tight end out of Georgia, and they
Speaker 2: drafted running back Dylan Lobby in.
Speaker 1: The sixth round first off the board.
Speaker 2: No surprise, it is Devonte Adams right around pick eighteen.
Speaker 2: So you know, ask these questions out of order, as
Speaker 2: they are written because we mentioned DeVante Adams as the
Speaker 2: number one pick off the board. Uh lakwan, he's going
Speaker 2: second round? Should we trust him in the second round
Speaker 2: based on the quarterback situation, the offense in general, the
Speaker 2: fact that you know age is starting to come for
Speaker 2: Devonte Adams.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: Yes, Now that Jimmy G is clearly away from the
Speaker 3: building and faculty from Devonte Adams, I think more so
Speaker 3: a lot of people remember those first nine weeks of
Speaker 3: playing with Jimmy G and Davonte Adams. I trust him
Speaker 3: because the target share is going to be there for
Speaker 3: that young quarterback where I think Aiden O'Connell will take
Speaker 3: on the league to be the starting quarterback, So the
Speaker 3: target share is going to be well over thirty percent.
Speaker 3: Like we kind of understand that because with Jimmy G,
Speaker 3: there was weeks where Jacoby Myers was looking like the
Speaker 3: number one And when you look at the first two
Speaker 3: months of football, I mean Jacoby Myers was like a
Speaker 3: top twelve wide receiver while Davante the Adams was just
Speaker 3: breaking top fifteen. And then after the benching, we kind
Speaker 3: of seen Davonte Adams take back that alpha role. He
Speaker 3: started scoring more touchdowns starting getting more consistent targets versus
Speaker 3: Jacoby Myers that was utilized more as a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Two.
Speaker 3: So with Ato and o'conna as a starter coming out
Speaker 3: of Week one, I trust Devonte Adams as a solid
Speaker 3: wide receiver two, just based on we have the targets there,
Speaker 3: the target Viyeuen is going to be there for him,
Speaker 3: So why not?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 2: I mean, but to that point, right, because you're right
Speaker 2: after they moved on from Garoppolo and like AOC basically
Speaker 2: took over as the quarterback. He was looking for Davante
Speaker 2: Adams on the regular he in Florida.
Speaker 1: We've heard a lot of.
Speaker 2: Stuff out of Vegas that this is a legitimate quarterback competition.
Speaker 2: They brought in Gardner Minshew, but it doesn't seem like
Speaker 2: they're just going to hand him the job, Like he's
Speaker 2: going to have to really compete for this. If we're
Speaker 2: drafting Davante Adams and chances are he's the one guy
Speaker 2: that that is going to be drafted consistently across Fantasy.
Speaker 2: Do we want it to stay with O'Connell or are
Speaker 2: we okay Minshew maybe getting that gig No.
Speaker 4: I think you want it to be Minshew, because I
Speaker 4: compared their two numbers from last year and they are
Speaker 4: almost the pointing Spider Man gift of like of Mah,
Speaker 4: I'm mid, but Gardner Minshew had a better deep ball
Speaker 4: of the two, which matters a lot for Devonte Adams.
Speaker 4: But the thing, DeVante is one of those players that
Speaker 4: I think, like in best Ball right now, he's going
Speaker 4: late round two and you could get him as a
Speaker 4: wide receiver too, become redrafts. I mean, I look at
Speaker 4: every redraft rankings outside of my own. He's in the
Speaker 4: top ten, and I think that's where he's gonna go
Speaker 4: come August. And I'm firmly out on that price. You
Speaker 4: look at what he did last season. He did so
Speaker 4: on insane volume, second most targets of his career, the
Speaker 4: highest target share since twenty nineteen, the third most air
Speaker 4: yards in the NFL. He had the second most red
Speaker 4: zone targets. Like he was led the NFL in first rethrows.
Speaker 4: Like everything went right for Devonte Adams, and he still
Speaker 4: finished as in points per game as a wide receiver two,
Speaker 4: and his metrics were really starting to show signs of declining.
Speaker 4: Less separation, worse rating when targeted. Wor's EPA and the
Speaker 4: thing is the downfields part of his game, and I
Speaker 4: think this is more in the quarterbacks it was non existent.
Speaker 4: And I had Davante in Fantasy last year and he
Speaker 4: his numbers were propelled by like two or three really
Speaker 4: huge games where he had like twenty five, he had
Speaker 4: like thirty eight and one. But then on Christmas Day
Speaker 4: in the Fantasy semifinals, he gave you less than two points.
Speaker 4: And I think that might be the case this year,
Speaker 4: where when games are closed, the Raiders aren't gonna throw
Speaker 4: a bunch, They're gonna let rely on the run game
Speaker 4: in the defense, and yet when and then when they're
Speaker 4: trailing or whatever, they'll throw a bunch. So my thinking is, Davante,
Speaker 4: you're paying for what around where he finished last year.
Speaker 4: I don't think he still has the same seal that
Speaker 4: he did with Aaron Rodgers. So I think last year
Speaker 4: is probably the median projection. But you're not getting any
Speaker 4: of the risk baked in. And at someone in his
Speaker 4: age who showed signs of decline last year, I think
Speaker 4: that should be baked in a little bit more than
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think so, But I think I
Speaker 2: think this is a case where I always talk about
Speaker 2: muscle memory, right, I think muscle memory sort of keeps
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams where he.
Speaker 1: Is because some of the things you talked about.
Speaker 2: We know the target share is going to be huge,
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy five targets last year. It's hard
Speaker 2: to think he sort of duplicates that because that's just
Speaker 2: a lot of targets. But he's still gonna far and
Speaker 2: away be the target leader in this offense. And I
Speaker 2: think that, combined with what we remember of DeVante Adams
Speaker 2: at his peak, I think is sort of keeping him
Speaker 2: where he is. I will say that I have not
Speaker 2: drafted a lot of him just because there are a
Speaker 2: lot of things about this offense that worry me, including
Speaker 2: a change of offensive coordinator and the quant I mean,
Speaker 2: we remember Luke Getzi from his time in Chicago where
Speaker 2: it wasn't always great.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Some of that was on a developing justin fields. Some
Speaker 2: of it was though on the offensive coordinator. How do
Speaker 2: you feel about this offense with Getsy in charge?
Speaker 3: Uh, I'm a little meh. I mean, I'm not expecting
Speaker 3: the stars and the moon from this offense, being that
Speaker 3: there's so many questions, the running back room, the quarterback situation.
Speaker 3: Can he just keep this offense afloat? Can he just
Speaker 3: get DeVante Adams the ball at maximum opportunities? It's kind
Speaker 3: of you go into this offense understanding this is the
Speaker 3: building face. You don't have a quarterback yet the running
Speaker 3: back you're still trying to figure out if he could
Speaker 3: take over as the starting running back. So therefore, just
Speaker 3: keep everything simple. I will trust him to that extent
Speaker 3: to keeping everything simple and trying not to go out
Speaker 3: there and wear multiple hats and trying to get this
Speaker 3: offense and look like an offense that we know it
Speaker 3: cannot be without those tools. So that is as much
Speaker 3: as I can give my trust and insight on him.
Speaker 3: About lug Getzi being an offensive coordinator, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think, you know, we know where
Speaker 1: the ball is going to go most of the time. Right,
Speaker 1: Most of the targets are going to go to Davante Adams,
Speaker 1: most of the rushing opportunities are going to go to
Speaker 1: the mere White.
Speaker 2: But we also have to tied it situation. Right, they
Speaker 2: spend an early round pick. They spent what a first
Speaker 2: round pick on Michael Mayer. Last year, they spent a
Speaker 2: first round pick on Brock Bowers this year. I know
Speaker 2: we all had a sad when we saw where brock
Speaker 2: Bauers landed. I mean, florial your expectations because now I've
Speaker 2: seen a lot more hype and I've seen Bowers sort
Speaker 2: of rising up draft boards a little bit. Your expectations
Speaker 2: for a guy who you know, he got the generational
Speaker 2: talent label slapped on him at the tight end position,
Speaker 2: but he's in a situation where opportunity might not be
Speaker 2: as plentiful as we want.
Speaker 1: It to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because of the opportunity and the quarterback and the
Speaker 4: coordinator who in two years in Chicago thirty first and
Speaker 4: twenty seventh in past attempts they ranked. So I don't
Speaker 4: love I think Titan like high end tight end two
Speaker 4: is I think like the median outcome in the most
Speaker 4: likely outcome. But I do think there is a situation
Speaker 4: where maybe DeVante gets hurt or Bowers just is at
Speaker 4: every bit as talented as we think he is, and
Speaker 4: he surprises us where he finishes top ten, maybe even
Speaker 4: higher at the tight end position. So when you start
Speaker 4: to get past the top ten tight ends, and there's
Speaker 4: names like Dallas Goddard and Pat Fryermuth and TJ. Hockinson.
Speaker 4: Brock Bauers is my favorite.
Speaker 3: Of that group to draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I will take the shot on the talent,
Speaker 2: but he really is a tight end two for me,
Speaker 2: just because I don't know, you know, I just don't
Speaker 2: know how they're gonna work this out. If we're gonna
Speaker 2: put both those guys on the field at the same time,
Speaker 2: are they going to eat into each other's talent? It's
Speaker 2: each other's targets and the fact that the quarterback situation,
Speaker 2: you know, where do they rank in the pecking order?
Speaker 2: When Adams is going to get so many targets, Jacobe
Speaker 2: Myers is going to get so many targets, Are there
Speaker 2: going to be enough.
Speaker 1: For either of those guys Mayor or Bauers to survive afterwards?
Speaker 3: I don't know the real nasty work there. I'm actually fading,
Speaker 3: to be honest, I don't want any parts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it, I get it. I just you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just sad. I wanted something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we want him to go somewhere notable, but
Speaker 3: we did.
Speaker 2: I wanted him to you know, I wanted him to
Speaker 2: have a Sam Laporta like season, a Sam Laporta like opportunity,
Speaker 2: hey Han, maybe he can could have been the Rams.
Speaker 1: But maybe it's just it's just hard to it's hard
Speaker 1: to see it. It's hard to see it.
Speaker 2: UH. Last team, the Los Angeles Chargers, their top fantasy
Speaker 2: score at quarterback Justin Herbert no shock there at QB
Speaker 2: seventeen two hundred and forty one point two points. Austin Eckler,
Speaker 2: even despite being banged up most of the season one
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty five point four points, he was RB
Speaker 2: twenty six, Keenan Allen the wide receiver eight UH just
Speaker 2: shy at two hundred and seventy nine points, and Gerald
Speaker 2: Everett was their top tight end tight end twenty three.
Speaker 1: Overall one hundred and eleven point one points. One one
Speaker 1: one point one was Gerald Everett last year.
Speaker 2: Losing a lot of guys off this offense though, Keenan
Speaker 2: Allen gone, Mike Williams gone, Jalen Geiton gone, Austin Eckler out,
Speaker 2: Josh Kelly out, Gerald Everett all gone. UH. They went
Speaker 2: to Baltimore and went shopping for unning backs. They bring
Speaker 2: in Gus Edwards and JK. Dobbins. They signed Will Disley
Speaker 2: and Hayden Hurst at tight end. They draft Ladd McConkie
Speaker 2: in the second round, Kamini Vidal in the sixth round,
Speaker 2: and a couple of wide receivers in the seventh round
Speaker 2: Brendan Rice and Cornelius Johnson. Right now, the number one
Speaker 2: charger off the board is Ladd mcconkeye right around pick
Speaker 2: number sixty.
Speaker 1: Nine or so.
Speaker 2: I know we have all professed our love and admiration
Speaker 2: for Ladd McConkie in this Chargers offense. But a simple
Speaker 2: question for you, Michael f Florio, what will a Jim
Speaker 2: Harbaugh Greg Roman offense look like?
Speaker 1: Especially with this personnel.
Speaker 4: Run run run. When Jim Harbor was in San France,
Speaker 4: they were one of the most run heavy offenses in
Speaker 4: the NFL for his tenure. They were one of the
Speaker 4: more run heavy offenses in Michigan during his tenure. Greg
Speaker 4: Roman has been in oc ten years in this league.
Speaker 4: Every time he's finished top ten in rushing attempts. I
Speaker 4: believe it's seven times he's finished in the top three.
Speaker 4: So yeah, they're going to run the ball plenty, and
Speaker 4: I know that's not a good thing for Justin Herbert.
Speaker 4: But the one thing I've been thinking is, like these
Speaker 4: these two have had a history of using their quarterback
Speaker 4: as a runner, and obviously the quarterback dictates that a
Speaker 4: little bit. But like Colin Kaepernick, Lamar Jackson, Tarad Taylor,
Speaker 4: those are our quarterbacks that these guys have had success
Speaker 4: with in the NFL. So I'm not saying that Justin
Speaker 4: Herbert is gonna be Lamar Jackson. But I do think
Speaker 4: it's possible that we get career highs rushing yards and
Speaker 4: touchdowns out of Herbert this year. I mean, so, I
Speaker 4: know we've all said, like, they're gonna run the ball,
Speaker 4: They're gonna run that hell out of the ball.
Speaker 2: I'm right now Justin Herbert going at QB seventeen because
Speaker 2: everybody has freaked out about this.
Speaker 1: I mean, have gone have we gone too far with
Speaker 1: this Lakwi?
Speaker 2: Because he's still a franchise quarterback at least they are
Speaker 2: paying him like a franchise quarterback. You would think that
Speaker 2: they're going to use his arm at some point. Have
Speaker 2: we freaked out too much?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think we look at the offense on paper, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is a bad offense, but it's more of the unknowns.
Speaker 3: But a lot of those situations that we talk about
Speaker 3: that are bad teams, they have a bad or mid
Speaker 3: tier quarterback, and this isn't that situation. You still have
Speaker 3: a top tier quarterback and Justin Herbert to where I
Speaker 3: feel like he's able to execute this offense to be
Speaker 3: efficient with the wide receiver pass catchers that he has.
Speaker 3: I mean, you bring in Lamb mc conkley. We know
Speaker 3: that he could separate as well, bringing Josh Palmer who
Speaker 3: showed them, well, you didn't bring them in, you kept them,
Speaker 3: but bring you have that on the table to where
Speaker 3: he's shown flashes at least where he can take on
Speaker 3: at times as an alpha wide receiver, and then everybody
Speaker 3: else will have to fall in place in the pecking
Speaker 3: order to keep this offense alive and keep the offense
Speaker 3: driving downfield. But you are happy that you have Justin
Speaker 3: Herbert at the captain. So when it comes to fantasy
Speaker 3: and I look at Justin Herbert at QB seventeen, I'm
Speaker 3: grabbing that up every single time if I punt on
Speaker 3: the other quarterbacks that I missed out on, the Josh
Speaker 3: Allens to Joe Burrows and the Dak Prescotts and the
Speaker 3: Colin Murray's. Like like Florio said, I mean, Justin Herbert
Speaker 3: has some little bit to him. He doesn't do it often,
Speaker 3: but he can bring it out at times. And I
Speaker 3: feel like when you look back at Justin Herbert's time,
Speaker 3: you know, with Oregon, I feel like he was a
Speaker 3: little bit Mobien shown flashes of being out there to
Speaker 3: kind of get out of danger. So I have good
Speaker 3: expectation for him this season.
Speaker 2: I'm look, I'm at the point where he's fallen so
Speaker 2: far that I'm definitely willing to take him. And why
Speaker 2: not say Justin Herbert is a second QB when he's
Speaker 2: a guy that we know could be a QB one
Speaker 2: if everything shakes out right, you know. So I do
Speaker 2: think we have sort of freaked out a little bit
Speaker 2: too much and forgotten the fact that, you know, Jim
Speaker 2: Harball and Greg Roman have had quarterbacks who have been
Speaker 2: efficient and effective passers. And you are correct, he can
Speaker 2: run just enough to sort of make things interesting. I
Speaker 2: keep that thing going.
Speaker 4: Herbert is a great quarterback to pair with, like Anthony
Speaker 4: Richardson or Jaden Daniels or someone like that who isn't
Speaker 4: a rock solid QB one, but you're taking for the
Speaker 4: upside coppairing with Herbert, who's more of a safe floor
Speaker 4: him and golf are who I can he taking his
Speaker 4: QB twos?
Speaker 1: And then yeah, Florio.
Speaker 2: Quentin Johnston was not great last year, but the talk
Speaker 2: has been look, this coaching staff looks around it like, well,
Speaker 2: we're gonna use him in a different way completely, I mean,
Speaker 2: are can we can we hope for better things for
Speaker 2: Quentin Johnston this year?
Speaker 4: Yes? Because he he is a yat guy who needs
Speaker 4: to learn how to stretch the field. And last year
Speaker 4: they tried to use him as a field stretcher, like
Speaker 4: like in a Mike Williams type role, and I know
Speaker 4: everyone likes to clown him. Oh he dropped that game
Speaker 4: winning would have been like a sixty yard game winning touchdown,
Speaker 4: And the next week he dropped like a fifty yard touchdown,
Speaker 4: and it's like, Okay, he's he's getting open downfield. Though,
Speaker 4: if if he holds onto those We're looking at Quentin
Speaker 4: Johnson in a very different light. So I'm not telling
Speaker 4: you like I'm I'm super bullish on him and I'm
Speaker 4: leaving every draft with him and stuff. But he's completely
Speaker 4: free in drafts right now. So I've taken a couple
Speaker 4: of shots.
Speaker 1: I mean, That's the thing is that the risk is
Speaker 1: so low with Quinton Johnston that it's maybe worth taking
Speaker 1: a couple of swings on him. For sure.
Speaker 3: No, that is true because him and James and Williams
Speaker 3: are in the same box for me, and like Jamison,
Speaker 3: Williams is going way further ahead of Quentin Johnson to
Speaker 3: like j Moore. But but if I do want to
Speaker 3: take a shot on that tier of a guy, then
Speaker 3: it will be Quentin Johnson because he's basically free. He's
Speaker 3: dirt cheap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I get it. And you mentioned, you know,
Speaker 2: him getting open downfield and having the drops. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know a lot of storms have told me drops
Speaker 2: don't matter until they do. As long as he's still
Speaker 2: getting opportunities, the drops don't matter. And so we'll see
Speaker 2: if he continues to get those opportunities. Last question, Uh,
Speaker 2: any interest on in JK. Dobbins either of.
Speaker 3: You new dust? He's in the dust collection.
Speaker 4: I just the other two. I'm all about drafting though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't drafted a lot. I haven't drafted a
Speaker 1: lot of JK.
Speaker 2: Dobbins, But I will admit when I saw the quotes
Speaker 2: from Daniel Wheremiah about you want JK. Dobbins on your
Speaker 2: fantasy team like I I was. I was that Russell
Speaker 2: Westbrook gift of him, like eating snacks in the corner,
Speaker 2: Like that was mebbs.
Speaker 3: I don't think DJ has faced the pain and burned
Speaker 3: from JK. Dobbins as a fantasy player.
Speaker 1: I like I said, I'm not I'm not taking a
Speaker 1: lot of I'm not taking a lot of of JK. Dobbins.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, I have. You know, I clicked a
Speaker 1: couple of times after I saw that quote.
Speaker 3: So you're replacing your Javante Williams love for JK.
Speaker 2: Dobbins this year, and it's not the same, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's more, it's more of my
Speaker 2: it's more of my faith in DJ.
Speaker 1: Call it that. It's my Daniel the person to put
Speaker 1: your faith in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's my belief in Daniel Jeremiah as a talient,
Speaker 2: talent evaluator and a scout.
Speaker 1: That's that's what I put this out on Twitter yesterday.
Speaker 4: Though I could see look not to anywhere close to
Speaker 4: the extent that the Dolphins were last year, but a
Speaker 4: veteran running back who gets by on volume in a
Speaker 4: high touchdown rate, and then a backup who gets by
Speaker 4: on a very high efficiency. Look, they're not gonna be
Speaker 4: rb ones, these two. But like I could see this
Speaker 4: that the Gus Edwards Kamani Videll backfields looking similar to
Speaker 4: like a poor man's Miami last year.
Speaker 1: Okay, I could see that. I think that's fair for sure.
Speaker 1: All right, Well there we go.
Speaker 2: That's our look at the a f C West. Were
Speaker 2: back with you on Wednesday, where we will look at
Speaker 2: the NFC West. So it means Lakwana and I get
Speaker 2: to go head to head and battle our squads. Interesting
Speaker 2: love it for what it's worth. I like, I don't
Speaker 2: hate the Rams.
Speaker 1: I like the Rams.
Speaker 2: They got a lot of especially have a lot of
Speaker 2: fun fantasy pieces. So we say, I respect that we
Speaker 2: can we can start there as a basis. See, we're
Speaker 2: already bringing nations together. We're just trying to heal this country.
Speaker 1: It's all we want to here.
Speaker 3: Now, I still hate.
Speaker 2: At least at least he's honest. All right, anyway, that'll
Speaker 2: do it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.
Speaker 2: They happy, safe and healthy, You good and live well,
Speaker 2: Uh stay cool. If you are out there in the
Speaker 2: heat somewhere in the meantime, we will talk to you
Speaker 2: on Wednesday,