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Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, Happy Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: Have an amazing show for everybody today, BRO Show people

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Speaker 3: live Forward the Pound. It's good to BRO shows in

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Speaker 3: a row on Wednesday too, Bro shows in a row.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: All thanks to my crazy schedule. But thank you for

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Speaker 3: having me Ryan, I appreciate it here.

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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Well, but mostly thank you to Emily for letting me

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Speaker 3: swap around with her.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. All right, here's the tough part of

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Speaker 1: the job. What do we have today? Israel? Okay, we're

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Speaker 1: going to start with Israel.

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Speaker 3: Breaking the ceasefire bombing parts of Gaza, where you talk

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Speaker 3: about their pretext, will analyze some of what that is.

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Speaker 3: Then Ryan is going to give us an update on

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Speaker 3: some horrific developments in South Sudan or sorry, no, in Sudan.

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Speaker 3: I'm not exactly familiar the RSF. There's a UAE back

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Speaker 3: militia and lots of killing. It's just a horrific, horrific story.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about the storm Hurricane Melissa made

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Speaker 3: landfall yesterday in Jamaica, as well as the fact that

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Speaker 3: there are thousands, thousands of American service members currently in

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Speaker 3: Caribbean waters, remember, as part of this Venezuelan regime change operation.

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Speaker 3: And there's some big question marks actually as to their

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Speaker 3: own role. Are they going to continue with drug interdiction

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Speaker 3: or they going to help with hurricane relief? They themselves

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Speaker 3: potentially could be at risk succording to some sources that

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Speaker 3: I spoke to, We're going to get over to open AI.

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Speaker 3: There is a new story from chatchept that nearly a

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Speaker 3: million people are actually interacting with chat GPT on the

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Speaker 3: issue of mental illness and suicide. In addition to a

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Speaker 3: major will blower inside of Chat GPT warning not to

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Speaker 3: not to believe sam Altman's claims about AI pornography, which

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Speaker 3: I believe we covered in our last one.

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Speaker 4: And it's a very disappointment because I really like my

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Speaker 4: last guess was to just trust Sam Altman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And if we can't trust sam Altman.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if we can't trust who, indeed can we all trust?

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Speaker 1: By the way, you'll all be happy to know that the.

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Speaker 3: State of California has helped Sam Altman and Open Ai

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Speaker 3: transform into a for profit company, So now we can

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Speaker 3: just get rid of that pesky little nonprofit status.

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Speaker 1: Lovely for him.

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Speaker 3: Yes, thank you to the State of California, to Gavin

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Speaker 3: Newsom and all the officials there who assisted the multi billionaire.

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Speaker 3: We are going to talk about Sammi Hamdi Ryan, You're

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Speaker 3: going to give us a breakdown on this. He's a

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Speaker 3: British political commentator, he's a critical of Israel and he

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Speaker 3: was detained at a California airport.

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Speaker 4: Current political prisoner. Yeah, well in the United States, Like.

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Speaker 3: Has he been deported or is he Okay? Wow, okay,

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Speaker 3: still yt there on Sammy Hamdy rings a little, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Whenever we critique the UK for.

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Speaker 1: Doing the exact thing. Yeah, a little tough.

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Speaker 4: Let them speak freely over here, but if they come here, right,

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Speaker 4: they're going to prison.

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Speaker 1: That's right, exactly. All right, let's go to top. We're

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Speaker 1: also going to talk about Snap.

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Speaker 3: on it yesterday, But then there's some brinksmanship going on

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Speaker 3: within the current United States government about whether some forty

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Speaker 3: two million Americans who are dependent on the SNAP food

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Speaker 1: Decade of the Chinahawks. Very astute.

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Speaker 3: Actually in terms of where things are going, you'd probably

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Speaker 3: with growth. Let's go and put this then up on

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Speaker 3: the screen. Israel has resumed the Gaza ceasefire now after

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Speaker 3: some one hundred and four Palestinians were killed in air strikes.

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister in Netanyah, who ordered quote powerful strikes in

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Speaker 3: Gaza as the ceasefire breaks down, I'm going to kick

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Speaker 3: it to Ryan because Ryan, I don't really know there

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Speaker 3: were two separate instances of their claims or the ceasefire

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Speaker 3: breakdown so why don't you explain it right?

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Speaker 4: If you're going to break a ceasefire, better to have

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Speaker 4: two pretexts rather than just one pretext. The irony being,

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Speaker 4: of course, that Israel has been out of compliance with

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Speaker 4: They immediately renegged on that agreement. Humanitarian aid is not

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Speaker 4: just followed these things in a neutral and dispassionate way,

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Speaker 4: we'd say, well, that is a violation of the ceasefire.

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Speaker 4: I suppose now Hamas is going to just carpet bomb

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Speaker 4: But let's get into the two pretexts. The first is

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Speaker 1: So according to the Israeli side, that is what happened.

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Speaker 4: We don't have any information from the Hamas side, which

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Speaker 4: or the alum at your hot side, which would if.

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Speaker 1: It was a fighter who or a group of fighters who.

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Speaker 4: Were trapped like we wouldn't actually be able to get

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Speaker 4: any information from Maser right like they just they wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: They wouldn't know about that.

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Speaker 4: This is a group they would have lost touch with

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Speaker 4: many many months ago. The last time they claimed this,

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Speaker 4: according to my sources, that it was in fact them

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Speaker 4: just running over an unexploded ordinance or an ied and

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Speaker 4: they never backed up their claim of having, you know,

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Speaker 4: confronted Palastinian fighters with any any body cam footage, any

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Speaker 4: any evidence whatsoever, ballistic, forensic, anything that would have shown

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Speaker 4: that their story matched up. So I think that at

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Speaker 4: this point we can say that the explosive, the story

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Speaker 4: lean in that direction. So one Israeli soldier has been

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Speaker 4: that that that that happens. You're not gonna they're not

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Speaker 4: going to name a person a soldier who died, who

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Speaker 4: didn't die. So somehow somebody, some Israeli soldier did die.

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Speaker 4: We also have and we can roll a two here

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Speaker 4: while I'm explaining this.

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Speaker 1: So this is.

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Speaker 4: According to this is drone footage put out by the

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Speaker 4: Israeli military, which and you can go and find the

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Speaker 4: longer video which claims to have found evidence that Hamas

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Speaker 4: is playing games with the remains of captives. And this

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Speaker 4: the time was able to recover most of his remains,

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Speaker 4: but there was some portion remained with Hamas. And basically

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Speaker 4: then and then they turned it over.

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Speaker 1: To the Red Cross.

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Speaker 4: And what Israel is saying is that this is evidence

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Speaker 1: This still remains to develop.

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Speaker 4: We don't know exactly what happened here, but you can

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Speaker 3: To it, and this is what they have released. As

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Speaker 4: Have to be extremely careful because any government sure should

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Speaker 3: So it's like, listen, we have no idea there is

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Speaker 3: post war collapse of Gaza is that you know, is

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Speaker 1: The more to become centralized way, the more.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, the more they get criticized, the more they get bombed.

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Speaker 1: That and should one hundred and two people have been

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Speaker 1: killed and fifty.

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Speaker 3: Four one hundred and four Palestinians killed as of this morning,

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Speaker 3: in retaliation, we don't exactly even know what the retaliatory

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Speaker 1: And let's think about this in either of these scenarios.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's say that you did catch them playing games

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Speaker 4: with these remains, installing for time. Does that justify a

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Speaker 4: bombing campaign across Gaza that kills more than one hundred

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Speaker 4: there if they did encounter a fighter who had been

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Speaker 4: stuck for eight months in a tunnel and he popped

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Speaker 4: up and there was a firefight, does that justify killing

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Speaker 4: one hundred?

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Speaker 3: Well, let me just read from a representative Marjorie Taylor Green.

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Speaker 3: Israel's military says Wednesday that the ceasefire was back on

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Speaker 3: in Gaza after killed one hundred and four people, including

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Speaker 3: forty six children.

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Speaker 1: Forty six children. Exclamation, Are these not war crimes? Question?

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Speaker 1: Are those are work? Those are? By definition? Question?

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Speaker 3: You can yeah, it almost seems quaint, frankly, after what

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Speaker 3: we all lived through. We will also note that you know,

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Speaker 3: from the administration they're still trying desperately to hold this

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Speaker 3: This is A three, Vice President JD. Vance telling reporters

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Speaker 1: Quote.

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Speaker 3: The ceasefire is holding. That doesn't mean there aren't going

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Speaker 3: to be little skirmishes here and there. We know that

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Speaker 3: Hamas or somebody else within Gaza attacked an IDF soldier,

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Speaker 3: he said, notably avoiding a definitive investment assignment of blame

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Speaker 3: but I think the President's piece is going to hold

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Speaker 1: Seems interesting.

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Speaker 3: Ryan currently compare with the statement of center of Secretary

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Speaker 4: This to set context for Rubio here this this was

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Speaker 4: What came next, As we talked about last week, there's

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Speaker 4: said publicly, we appreciate the Americans, but of course.

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Speaker 1: Will never allow that. We are our own sovereign people.

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Speaker 4: And so there's been a tug and tug of war

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Speaker 1: Ken Israel just you know, latterly break it.

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Speaker 4: And then you have Rubio coming out and basically saying, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Ruby on Air Force one.

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Speaker 5: Here you talking about the strike against the boss and

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Speaker 5: a jihad individuals. Yeah, look at Israel and it didn't

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Speaker 5: surrender his right to self defense. Obviously, the ceasefire is

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Speaker 5: based on obligations on both sides. By the way, we'd

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Speaker 5: also like to see Hamas speed up the return of

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Speaker 5: But we don't view that as a violation of the ceasefire.

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Speaker 5: They have a right and something. There's an imminent threat

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Speaker 1: So leaning a little closer to Israel there now.

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, as you heard him say,

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Speaker 4: huge issue in Israel. Well, you really believe that they

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Speaker 3: And actually one of the things that the Hamas has

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Speaker 3: responded with they say, quote, we confirm that any Zionis

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Speaker 3: Israel to restrain its escalation against civilians in Gaza and

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Speaker 3: to compel it fully abide by the ceasefire agreement. What's

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Speaker 1: So it's one of those where I mean, I don't

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Speaker 3: What ceasefire means if you just get to bomb and

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Speaker 3: I did find it interesting in Rubio's comment he's a

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Speaker 3: Cahamas or palastining the Islamic Jihad. Maybe you can explain

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Speaker 3: to this they are not party to the ceasefire.

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Speaker 1: Correct, they are right.

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Speaker 3: Well, but this is what I'm trying to get at,

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Speaker 3: in terms of the actual control inside of Gaza, as in,

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Speaker 3: who know, I mean, you know, there's roving, there's no

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Speaker 1: It'd be like saying.

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Speaker 3: That, you know, in the middle of a mad Max collapse,

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't really work that way.

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Speaker 4: Right, And just the way that the kind of defense

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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 4: For operational security, obviously there is not a lot of

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Speaker 4: because you know, Israel has that entire thing, you know,

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Speaker 4: And so that was always a question going into the

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Speaker 4: but do they speak for every you know, guerrilla unit

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Speaker 4: They can make their own decisions. So yes, that is

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Speaker 4: what that does to the psychology of these fighters, right

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Speaker 1: You this was it was.

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Speaker 4: It's been three weeks exactly, three weeks saying, look, we

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Speaker 3: Right, and so the health ministry, you know, caveats, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: And all of this actually.

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Speaker 3: Is in line with this new yellow line. We can

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Speaker 3: So can you just explain because I believe that the

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Speaker 4: Right, and so the right the deal was okay, withdraw,

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Speaker 4: Israel will withdraw back to this yellow line, and then

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Speaker 4: Hamas will release all of the captives. And so Israel

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Speaker 4: and then people start going back to their homes. People

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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 4: You had then this kind of contradictory impulse on both sides.

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Speaker 1: And think about as you think about as.

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Speaker 4: You're walking through your own neighborhood, like the different ways

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Speaker 4: Now imagine you've been away for eight months, you come back,

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Speaker 4: So saying that, hey, we there's a map on Facebook

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Speaker 4: Then they said, okay, we're going to put out yellow

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Speaker 3: Inside there and so broadly here with the ceasefire, Ryn,

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Speaker 1: In amazing coincidence. It just keeps happening, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: So it's one of those where is it every single

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Speaker 4: Today, Yeah, I wish we would just give the guy asylum,

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Speaker 4: like political asylum, get a place in South Florida.

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Speaker 1: Like it is.

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Speaker 4: It is not fair for one hundred plus Palestinians to

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Speaker 4: That's no reason for anybody to lose a life, like

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Speaker 4: on Gaza, and we're still seeing that we do a

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Speaker 4: brief update on what's going on.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you're going to have to fully brief all of us.

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Speaker 3: I know this has happened overnight here, but I do

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Speaker 3: think it's an important story.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So Sudan, this killing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, in the town of El Foscher was where the

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Speaker 4: kind of Syrian army capital has been in North Darfur.

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Speaker 4: And there's been this civil war going on since twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty three, and the UAE has come in heavily. United

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Speaker 4: Arab Emirates has come in heavily on the side of

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Speaker 4: what's called the RSF Rapid Support Forces. And a year

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Speaker 4: ago the US State Department said to RSF is committing

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Speaker 4: ethnic cleansing in Darfur and in Sudan, and the support

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Speaker 4: of the UAE.

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Speaker 1: Has continued, continue to pay. So you can put up

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Speaker 1: put up a.

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Speaker 4: Eight here, and so l l Foger El Foger finally

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Speaker 4: yesterday and over the last couple of days, but it

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Speaker 4: has kind of now fully fallen to the RSF. And

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Speaker 4: what you're looking at here are a ton of people

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Speaker 4: rounded up by the RSF who as we understand it.

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Speaker 4: And there is much more disturbing video that would confirm

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Speaker 4: this that we're not going to show you here.

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Speaker 1: Were then executed.

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Speaker 4: And this is not the first time that the RSF

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Speaker 4: has taken over a city and estimates of civilian massacres

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Speaker 4: as a result have been over ten thousand, like in

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Speaker 4: a particular city like this, absolute horrific bloodbath if you

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Speaker 4: can put up a nine. A lot of the OCID

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Speaker 4: people online are saying they have never seen.

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Speaker 1: Visible blood blood this from space. But what precipitated this?

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Speaker 4: Well, so what precipitated this precisely is l Fosher has

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Speaker 4: been basically surrounded by the r s F for a

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Speaker 4: year and a half and it is a It's one

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Speaker 4: of the remaining key strongholds of their of the s

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Speaker 4: a F, their opposition and what and so what precipitated

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Speaker 4: the master was that there they finally managed to break

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Speaker 4: through and take it. What precipitated it more broadly is

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Speaker 4: is gold. Basically, you know, Sudan has you know, significant

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Speaker 4: wealth underneath.

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Speaker 1: Its And why is the UAE supporting this malus So

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Speaker 1: the u A Well, the UAE.

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Speaker 4: Has this massive Africa play that's that has been doing

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Speaker 4: it had, the u A has. The u AU is

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Speaker 4: supporting African proxy forces all over the continent, like absolutely everywhere.

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Speaker 1: And the u A, like like Cutter, is.

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Speaker 4: Technically a country, but it's you know, it's more like

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Speaker 4: an investment vehicle slash mafia, that is that is trying

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Speaker 4: to figure out how to take this wealth that has

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Speaker 4: come out of the ground, this fossil fuel wealth that

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Speaker 4: it's created in the last several decades, and only several decades,

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Speaker 4: like fifty years ago or so. This is a deeply

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Speaker 4: poor area. Now it's like the richest place on Earth.

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Speaker 4: They know that that's not going to last forever. At

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Speaker 4: some point you tap the last bit of natural cost

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Speaker 4: and oil, and so they're their question is what next

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Speaker 4: for us? And what's next for them? Is that they

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Speaker 4: are They're they're building ports and and creating alliances all

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Speaker 4: over over Africa for the continued extraction of natural resources

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Speaker 4: and funding all of these civil conflicts to make it

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Speaker 4: easier for them to then to then get access oftentimes

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Speaker 4: kind of arming, arming both sides.

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Speaker 1: Of the conflict.

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Speaker 4: But in this case, they've really thrown their lot in

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Speaker 4: with RSF and we could put up a eleven real

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Speaker 4: quick to show that how how much this is escalating.

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Speaker 4: So this is the Foreign Foreign Relations chairman saying, quote

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Speaker 4: the horrors, the Republican the horrors and Darfur's l Fauscher

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Speaker 4: were no accident.

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Speaker 1: They were the rsf's plan all along. I think that's true.

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Speaker 4: The RSF has waged terror and committed unspeakable atrocities, genocide

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Speaker 4: among them, against the Sudanese people. The r SF must

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Speaker 4: be called what it is, a foreign terrorist organization and

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Speaker 4: officially designated as one. America is not safe for secure

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Speaker 4: or more prosperous with the RSF slaughtering thousands, and so

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Speaker 4: you know, to hear to hear Jim rish Of talk

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Speaker 4: like that make then makes you ask the question, Wait

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Speaker 4: a minute, hold on a second. So you're saying that

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Speaker 4: our ally, the UEE is major terrorist financer, because that

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Speaker 4: that's what you have to say, if like, if you

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Speaker 4: agree with that statement, which.

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Speaker 3: Can I can I put my cynic ad on here

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Speaker 3: a little bit? You know, whenever it's a conflict that

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Speaker 3: doesn't involve Israel, unspeakable atrocities in genocide amongst them. Right,

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Speaker 3: Darfur was the original one of the original you know,

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Speaker 3: quote unquote genocides of the twenty first century. In the

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Speaker 3: early two thousands, after Rwanda, it was supposed to be

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Speaker 3: never again. It actually didn't really work. Why does America

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Speaker 3: suddenly care? They say America is not safe for secure

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Speaker 3: or more prosperous with rfs slaughtering thousands? Is there a

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Speaker 3: deeper thing going on here? Or is this just exposed

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Speaker 3: like the human rights industrial complex?

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Speaker 1: So I wish ken Vogel was here because it'd bean.

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Speaker 4: I'm curious, like who's doing like which different faction ken

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Speaker 4: Vogel being the Times reporter that we interviewed.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you guys also interviewed who does all the foreign lobbying?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good question, like what foreign lobbying is

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Speaker 4: going on that gets statements like this.

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Speaker 1: On the other.

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Speaker 4: Hand, the level of atrocity is reaching like heights that

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Speaker 4: are difficult to ignore even for Americans when it comes

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Speaker 4: to Africa. You know, Americans are pretty good at ignoring it.

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Speaker 4: What's going on in Africa just across the board and

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Speaker 4: ignoring you know, things almost everywhere, including even people say, oh,

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Speaker 4: what about the protests around Gaza, But you know, Gaza

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Speaker 4: like has significantly fallen off the last year or so.

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Speaker 4: You know, mainstream news also like it's just the US.

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Speaker 4: It's just not something that people are paying attention to.

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, I don't know exactly what's.

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Speaker 4: Going on in Washington that is making that is now

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Speaker 4: putting this pressure on the UE's proxies in Sudan, but

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Speaker 4: I'm sure they're and I think like kill They also

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Speaker 4: posted they were a little bit more aggressive in what

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Speaker 4: they posted on social media this time than in the

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Speaker 4: last you know, mass masscer of ten to fifteen thousand

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Speaker 4: people didn't they didn't elevate it in the same way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but if I were the Pseudanese, I'd be like,

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Speaker 3: you people are really gonna lecture me about you know,

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Speaker 3: about the massacres and you know, after what you've just

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Speaker 3: funded going on in Israel.

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Speaker 1: They kind of have a point, right, And.

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Speaker 3: Same with the UAI, They're like, really, like, you're going

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Speaker 3: to talk to me about who I cant send money to,

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Speaker 3: whether it's in my strategic interest or I'll get out

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Speaker 3: of here.

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Speaker 4: What did the RF surrounded in an area and wouldn't

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Speaker 4: let food exactly and then killing them? Yeah, I don't know,

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Speaker 4: it's dark. No, yes, opening opening that that and letting

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Speaker 4: that out into the world.

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Speaker 3: I also think that explains to social media activity. They're like,

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Speaker 3: we can post whatever, right, we can do what we want.

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Speaker 3: We can do anything that we want.

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Speaker 4: Look, because they're seeing it on their phones out of

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Speaker 4: gods all day, and of course they're doing this exactly,

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Speaker 4: we're going to do this.

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Speaker 3: It's very sad as I'm glad you are following it.

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Speaker 3: I honestly, I hate to say, I haven't really been

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Speaker 3: familiar follow It's a big world, little bit back twentye ago,

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Speaker 3: so exactly, you know, a lot, not a huge ton

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Speaker 3: of like US strategic interests or any of that in

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Speaker 3: the region, but so uly Washington is waking up. I will,

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Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you, even though I obviously see

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Speaker 3: what's happening here. Anytime I start to see the word

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Speaker 3: genocide and all that's being turned just thrown around by

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Speaker 3: the State Department, I'm like, something's going on here, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know exactly what it is. I'm a little suspicious.

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Speaker 3: Suddenly Mark or Rubio cares about human rights and all

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Speaker 3: of that.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know about.

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Speaker 4: This, ye ran, yeah, and we could end this overnight tune.

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Speaker 4: You're like, look, you're getting sanctioned and you your whole

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Speaker 4: little somber wealth fund here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they will never do that, especially fun first offital

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Speaker 1: what we did, We're fine with it, Saudi's and Yemen.

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Speaker 1: This is just long standing US policy.

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Speaker 3: I'm always just fascinated about what we get, what everyone

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Speaker 3: in Washington starts to care about. Yeah, And the reason

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Speaker 3: my spidy senses go up is I'm like, it's never

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Speaker 3: about the actual killings. There's usually something else going on,

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Speaker 3: and I'm.

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Speaker 4: Just you know, and the UAE ses this has a

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Speaker 4: sphere of influence for them too. They can have geopolitical advantages,

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Speaker 4: like they know the UA hates some US as well,

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Speaker 4: And there was this push a year ago, what if

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Speaker 4: we get everybody in Homsta just go to Sudan, so

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Speaker 4: and so. In order to do that, the RSF has

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Speaker 4: to like then take over all of Darfur, which they

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Speaker 4: basically now control. Like they're what and what what they

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Speaker 4: are also finding it's the same thing that Israel's arguing

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Speaker 4: to the public, which is that you can actually just

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Speaker 4: do the ethnic cleansing, you can do the genus I

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Speaker 4: get away with it, and then people will forget about it.

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Speaker 4: It's more important to win, and then people will just

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Speaker 4: move on so oursef is right now and in brutal

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Speaker 4: fashion winning.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, look at Azerbaijan mean the same, same exact.

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Speaker 3: Thing, not that anybody apparently here cared. Let's get to

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Speaker 3: the storm, shall we thank you for that update.

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Speaker 1: Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 3: We have an update here from Ryan Hall, the weather

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Speaker 3: YouTuber extraordinary who does a fantastic job. We have been covering,

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Speaker 3: of course, and just you know, noting the category five

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Speaker 3: hurricane Melissa which made landfall yesterday with Jamaica some one

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Speaker 3: hundred eighty mile per hour winds.

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Speaker 1: Here's what you have to say.

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Speaker 6: We've got a breaking update from the National Hurricane Center.

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Speaker 6: This is a special tropical cyclone update on Hurricane Melissa.

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Speaker 6: At one pm Eastern, Category five Hurricane Melissa made landfall

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Speaker 6: in the southwestern Jamaica area near New Hope. This is

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Speaker 6: now confirmed to be one of the most powerful, powerful

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Speaker 6: hurricane landfalls ever recorded in the entire Atlantic basin. The

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Speaker 6: one hundred and eighty five mile per hour winds and

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Speaker 6: the central pressure of eight hundred and ninety two millibars,

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Speaker 6: those numbers are historic.

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Speaker 3: Historic numbers, he says, and we have some video guys,

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Speaker 3: that's going to put that up there on the screen.

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Speaker 3: Now that it has made landfall, you can just see

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Speaker 3: some of the images that came out of Jamaica and

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Speaker 3: some of the damage. Already we're still in the initial

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Speaker 3: phases of learning exactly what happened. They say that Cuba

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Speaker 3: actually evacuated some seven hundred and fifty thousand people ahead

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Speaker 3: of the storm. Where you can see, you know, the

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Speaker 3: infrastructure and some of the images that were coming out

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Speaker 3: of Jamaica, and also you know, noting just generally like

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Speaker 3: the overall I mentioned, Oh my god, I mean, that's

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Speaker 3: just so terrifying right in the middle of the Caribbean.

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Speaker 3: Category five one of the most powerful storms literally ever recorded.

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Speaker 3: So it's pretty scary that this is happening. Not to

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Speaker 3: mention as I said that at the very same time

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Speaker 3: that you can see you look at that difference in

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Speaker 3: the image here.

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Speaker 1: It's just totally nuts.

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Speaker 3: And what I think Ryan and others were noting was

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Speaker 3: the level of the intensity in the storm. So obviously

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Speaker 3: some big, you know, domestic questions here. First of all,

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Speaker 3: you know, this is just the beginning of hurricane season.

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Speaker 3: We are in the middle of a government shutdown, are

659
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Speaker 3: the Weather Service in the National Oceanic Administration and others

660
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Speaker 3: who track some of these hurricanes.

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Speaker 1: Are they going to be fully up to staff.

662
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Speaker 3: But you know, one of the domestic angles that I

663
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 3: just think nobody's really paying attention to are all of

664
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Speaker 3: these thousands of service members who are in the middle

665
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Speaker 3: of the Caribbean. Put this up here, police on the screen.

666
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Speaker 3: You know, it says, Hurricane Melissa collides with the US

667
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 3: military mission in the Caribbean. Military campaign against the drug cartels.

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Speaker 1: Legend so called.

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Speaker 3: Drug cartels in Latin America could soon reckon with the

670
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 3: natural disaster a humanitarian crises in the region. Eight warships

671
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: collectively carrying six thousand troops several dozen aircraft are assembled

672
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: in the region for the Trump administration's military strikes, but

673
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 3: many of the personnel are also trained, apparently to respond

674
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 3: to natural disasters, serving on ships with a long track

675
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: record of doing so in the southcom area. The Hurricane

676
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 3: Melissa obviously is going to cause a tremendous amount of

677
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 3: damage in the region. Kind Of one of the long

678
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 3: standing things that the US would always do is when

679
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: there's a hurricane in Haiti or somewhere, they'll show up

680
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 3: with the big show force drop off a bunch of eighties.

681
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: So it's a genuine question here as to whether they're

682
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: going to do anything or whether they're just going to

683
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 3: stay parked there to try and blow up as you know, fishermen,

684
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 3: drugs boats as possible. That's one, But second is just

685
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 3: it highlights that despite this, the fact that it is

686
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Speaker 3: a hurricane season, these thousands of service members are in

687
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Speaker 3: these waters, and the US S gerald Ford, one of

688
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: the large aircraft carriers in the world, is headed there

689
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 3: right now as we speak, and all of them are

690
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: just going to be sitting in these hurricane prone you

691
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 3: know situation. It's dangerous number one, you know, no matter what.

692
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 3: And then of course it gets to the for what question,

693
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: which of course we've covered here excessively.

694
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so the Navy says they're monitoring the storm,

695
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 4: of course, and and we'll you know, are working to

696
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 4: keep make sure that they're not directly impacted by it.

697
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, that wouldn't that be great if if the

698
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: US military.

699
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 4: Actually, like when when the storm passes, they they're like,

700
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Speaker 4: you know what, instead of doing regime change in Venezuela,

701
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Speaker 4: we are We're going to go to Jamaica. Yeah, we're

702
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 4: going to disembark and we're gonna we're gonna help everybody

703
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 4: clean up here. We're we're going to really throw our

704
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 4: back into this because we're all one people here, we're

705
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 4: all one hemisphere, we're all we're all together.

706
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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Trump could even go over and you know, throw the

708
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Speaker 4: paper towels at people.

709
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Speaker 1: He loves doing that.

710
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Speaker 4: I don't expect that's going to happen, but I guess

711
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 4: anything's possible. Meanwhile, the you know, the strikes continue, it's

712
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 4: it does seem like they've moved more to the Pacific side.

713
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Speaker 1: Yes, lately they have.

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Speaker 4: Lately, they've moved the striking boats on the Pacific side.

715
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Speaker 4: And as we've said before, like whether the boats have

716
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 4: drugs on them or not, like most likely the people

717
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 4: on the boats are actually fishermen, like fishermen who are

718
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 4: who are either paid an enormous fortune to make one

719
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 4: run or told you're doing this run for us, or

720
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Speaker 4: we're going to kill your sister, like or a combination.

721
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 4: Don't do this run and we'll kill your sister. Do

722
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 4: the run, and we're going to give you twenty thousand dollars,

723
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 4: which is more than you make in like five years.

724
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this latest one, we're not exactly sure even where

725
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 3: it took place. They said it was an international water

726
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 3: somewhere in the Pacific Ocean near the coast of Mexico.

727
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 3: And apparently, even though fourteen people were killed in the attacks,

728
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 3: they said that there was one person who survived the strikes.

729
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 3: According to Mexican search and rescue authorities quote accepted the

730
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: case and assumed responsibility for coordinating the rescue. The condition

731
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: of the survivor is remains unclear. Mexico's navy said that

732
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 3: it had dispatched a patrol voat and aircraft to safeguard

733
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Speaker 3: human life at c The Mexican President, Claudia Scheinbaum at

734
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Speaker 3: this morning said quote, we do not agree with these attacks.

735
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 3: Said she had asked the country's foreign minister as well

736
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 3: as representatives to meet the US ambassador and says, quote

737
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: all international treaties need to be respected. So that some

738
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Speaker 3: fifty seven people now who have been killed in the strikes,

739
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Speaker 3: the overall picture of the strikes is it just makes

740
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: no sense, you know, in a lot of different ways,

741
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Speaker 3: because all of this presumes a naval campaign or a

742
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Speaker 3: campaign at sea for drugs.

743
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Speaker 1: I mean literally.

744
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Speaker 3: Yesterday Ryan, after being sent this report. The twenty twenty

745
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 3: five National Drug Enforcement DEA Estimate mentions Venezuela exactly seven times.

746
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: Of those seven they all talk about trend A Arragua.

747
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 3: They only mention street level drug trafficking, street level small

748
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 3: level drug trafficking. It has no mention of fentanyl. I

749
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 3: read extensively through the fentanyl section that was provided to

750
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Speaker 3: me of this twenty twenty five. I think the entire

751
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 3: fentanyl section is focused on Mexico and land routes to

752
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: the United States via the border. These boat is trifling,

753
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 3: it's not. It's literally if anything, Actually, listen, I don't

754
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 3: want to sound like I'm defending cocaine or anything, but

755
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: if you're going to use the fentanyl pretext, if the

756
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 3: boat's coming from Colombia, that's actually a good tell that

757
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 3: it doesn't have fentanyl, right because that means is straight

758
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 3: up Colombian.

759
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Speaker 1: You know, a pure cocaine. That's the pure stuff. That's

760
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: probably what these people are are paying for. Right.

761
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 3: So again, you know, I don't support cocaine. I would

762
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 3: like for it to be burned.

763
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Speaker 1: Out one sea. If the boat comes to Mexico, then

764
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: it right, yeah.

765
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 3: Right, so if the if the boat goes to Mexico,

766
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: it's actually different story. And from what I read again,

767
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 3: this is our own government. This is by the way,

768
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 3: Donald Trump's DEA put out this report just a few

769
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: short months ago, and I'm reading through the fentanyl section

770
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: last night. They have the whole thing mapped out, even

771
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: to the interstates of where all of the fentanyl is

772
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 3: coming from, including the Chinese precursors that are making their

773
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 3: way to Mexico.

774
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Speaker 1: All of this.

775
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 3: Actually just spoke yesterday with a very knowledgeable source about

776
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 3: what was happening inside of Mexico. Apparently Shinbaum and others

777
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: have pretty significantly cut down the amount of fentanyl coming

778
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 3: across the board.

779
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: There's two reasons.

780
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 3: Number one is the border is much more close, so

781
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 3: there's many migrants coming across. Makes sense, of course the

782
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 3: drug traffickers can't take advantage of that. But two is,

783
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 3: actually there's been a Mexican deployment to the US Mexico border,

784
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 3: which is not entirely shutting down, I mean not feasible

785
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: to say zero amount of fenchanyl, but a much smaller

786
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: amount of fenanyl is currently making its way to the US.

787
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 3: So most of these are just show of four strikes

788
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: for a purpose which remains, you know, entirely mysterious unless

789
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 3: you start to look at regime change in Venezuela, even

790
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: though these are happening in the Pacific Ocean, not that

791
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: you know, anybody apparently even keeps track anymore. Also, if

792
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: this guy survived, so then why why wouldn't you go

793
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 3: get him, you know, why wouldn't you go send him.

794
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: To court some cartl leader over here. Yeah, of course,

795
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: you remember that case of piracy.

796
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: I was thinking about that recently, that movie, you know,

797
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: Captain Phillips, the USS mersk Alabama, and they captured that

798
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 3: I forget exactly his Somali name, but they captured the

799
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 3: pirate or FBI arrested him. He was repatriated to the

800
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: United States by the FBI. He was actually arrested by

801
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: FBI agents, I'm pretty sure, or he was transferred the

802
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 3: FBI custody. He was put on trial actually here in

803
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: you I think he's in the US Federal penitentiary right

804
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 3: now on the charge of piracy. So if you do

805
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 3: survive the attack, presumably you would want to take that

806
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 3: person prosecute and put him at trial. Instead, they're like,

807
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 3: now he can go back to Mexico. So then why

808
00:40:58,800 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 3: did you kill him?

809
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: Right? It makes no sense.

810
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 4: So yeah, and I was talking to somebody who did

811
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: just recently left the coast Guard doing drug interdictions in

812
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 4: the Caribbean.

813
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: And he was saying that you generally can you generally.

814
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 4: Can tell a fishing boat, you know, not a boat

815
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 4: that's carrying drugs from a boat that is just generally

816
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 4: used for fishing. Fishing boats have kind of more people

817
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 4: on them. Drug boats, they've got the extra motors. You

818
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 4: can kind of see, he's like, but oftentimes it looks

819
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 4: like they're they're gauging just by kind of trajectory of

820
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 4: the boat. And he said they would do that as well,

821
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 4: like you'd look at the trajectory of where the boat's

822
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 4: going and that would be your first clue.

823
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: And he'd say somewhere.

824
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 4: They'd be right about half to three quarters of the

825
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 4: time on those because what they do is they go

826
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 4: up to the boat and we're like, hey, this Coastguard stop.

827
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: You know, we're going to board you and search you.

828
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 4: And then they'd search and me like, oh, okay, we're wrong, sorry,

829
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 4: go on about your business.

830
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: Interesting, But if you're.

831
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 4: Just bombing them from the are Yeah, you're going to

832
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 4: be right half to three quarters of the time that

833
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 4: you're going to be wrong a quarter or two a.

834
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: Half of the time.

835
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Speaker 3: This is all in international watt. Nobody even knows where

836
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: this is. Nobody knows where it took place. They say

837
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 3: it's off the coast of Mexico where you know, to

838
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: what except literally no coordinates, nothing like just a picture

839
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 3: that's released by Secretary Hegseth from the Department, you know,

840
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 3: from the DD and you're just like, okay, you know

841
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 3: that's the only information, and that's just to show everybody

842
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 3: the bias to implicit you know, why is the Washington

843
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: Post saying against drug cartels? It's not even true, Like

844
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 3: there's no evidence that that's true. Right, It's crazy, Like

845
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: they just take this stuff and they run with this,

846
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 3: even with Venezuela, like nobody interrogates the central premise at

847
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: the heart of this entire thing. And it's ramping up.

848
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 3: This is all you know.

849
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: It's slowly, slowly, slowly happening.

850
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 3: And I think actually this week will be a big

851
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 3: jump point for Venezuela, not just because of the hurricane.

852
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,479
Speaker 3: Because the hurricane, like I said, the military is actually

853
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 3: going to have to make a choice. Do we leave

854
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 3: here and kind of abandon the pressure campaign on Maduro

855
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 3: or do we try and go do some humanitarian assistance.

856
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: Who knows right, but that you know, the resources are finite.

857
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 3: That's why all of this does connect together.

858
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it shows how quickly the conscience of a

859
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 4: country can be corrupted. Because when you're watching like do

860
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 4: Terte and the Philippines, where he's just going around just

861
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 4: executing drug dealers in the streets, like you can you

862
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 4: can imagine how in the Philippines the debate would have

863
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 4: turned to, well, was that a fruit.

864
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: Seller or was that a drug dealer?

865
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: Rather than we don't we're sure that did happen those

866
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: time if I remember.

867
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, Yeah, that's what the debate would shift to,

868
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 4: rather than we don't want death squads just extra judicially

869
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 4: killing anybody like we have. We've tried to develop a

870
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 4: civilized society. Let's try to keep that. And so you

871
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 4: can see it in our own national conversation, this is

872
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 4: a drug or is it not a drug boat? Rather

873
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 4: than let's just not have death squads from the air

874
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 4: burning people alive.

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Speaker 3: Who knows, who knows where things are going to go

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Speaker 3: in all this, but everybody keep an eye on the hurricane. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: first of all, just with the people of Jamaica's horrific

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Speaker 3: who have to deal with that. And then we have

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Speaker 3: our own troops who are in the waters. They themselves,

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Speaker 3: the United States military, are going to have to make

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Speaker 3: a choice, all while this escalating air campaign against Venezuela continues. Hopefully,

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Speaker 3: Ryan and I'll have some more reporting on that later

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Speaker 3: on in this week.