1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: John Smoltz working on three hours of rest. He was 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: on the call last night with Joe Davis and the 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: World Series game and tomorrow night eight Eastern on Fox 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: as the series shifts back to Toronto. John, thanks for 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: joining us. Game five the fifth time in the last 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: eleven postseason games, the Dodgers managed just two runs or less. 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 1: And you're going against the Blue Jay team that was 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: known for its hitting, not its pitching. What is the 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: big problem with the Dodgers' bats. 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't get in a funk seven out of 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: nine guys collectively and keep asking your starting pitching to 12 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: cover your lack of offense. That's what they did this 13 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 2: whole postseason. They dominated, you know, subconsciously, when you had a. 14 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 3: Team but four right, great starters, there's a it's not 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 3: literally this way, but you feel really good when you 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 3: get to the park that three runs is going to win. 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: This offense last year for the Dodgers was much better. Obviously, 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 3: they had to win a different way. They won with bullpens. 19 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 2: And look, I mean it's not an excuse, but the 20 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: statistics and things that have been thrown out there, which 21 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 2: is mind boggling that a team that sweeps their series, 22 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: facing a team that played a seven game series has 23 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: never won the World Series. It still blows my mind. 24 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 2: I know it's just a stat but then you start 25 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: reading into maybe the layoffs do do harm to hitters, 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: you know, and then your timing is all thrown out 27 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: a whack and it's hard. I've said this about a 28 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: starting pitcher that pitches twice in a series, much easier 29 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: for him to make the adjustment in a series than 30 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: a hitter who's struggling. The next day, he's got to 31 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: make the adjustment, then he's struggling, and the next day 32 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: he's got to do it again. So it's definitely the 33 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: worst time of the year for that to happen. But 34 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: the Dodgers are going to have to figure out a 35 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: way on the next two two games to not solely 36 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: rely on their starting pitching for the only way for 37 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: them to win. 38 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: What made Trey you Savage unhittable He got. 39 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 2: Back to the mechanics in the field of that split. 40 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: I felt like he would make the necessary adjustments. I 41 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: watched too much tape, even though he hasn't thrown a 42 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: ton of games that I'd never seen two games in 43 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 2: a row where he didn't have a split. He did 44 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: not have it. In the first game against the Dodgers, 45 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,839 Speaker 2: he abandoned it went to thirty two sliders, I think, 46 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: which you know, it's a good pitch. It's not his 47 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: great pitch. The great pitch is his split. But I 48 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: thought he was so mechanically sound and his fastball command 49 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: was much better. I thought the last game he was 50 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 2: short with it, cutting it off, maybe trying to generate velocity. 51 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: And look, it's a unique release point, and when he's 52 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 2: able to throw enough strikes, they don't really have a 53 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: chance on seeing too much evidence of somebody who throws 54 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 2: like this that they can throw as a comp. 55 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: What I like last night as you talked about gut 56 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: everything's about analytics, but you leave you savage in and 57 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: you talked about this is a gut feeling by John Schneider. 58 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 4: Yep. 59 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 2: And he learned the hard way. He even talked to 60 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 2: it openly about you know, I've learned. I had to 61 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 2: sleep all off season. I'm making a decision taking out 62 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 2: my starter burrels against Minnesota, and there were other situations 63 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: that didn't work out well. And you know, I've always 64 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: felt like if you don't give a player a moment 65 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: in the postseason, you'll never know because in the one 66 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: sixty two they live and die by the numbers. And 67 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 2: that's fine, but I think you've got to when a 68 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: guy's having a moment, you don't let the other team 69 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: breathe and take them out and feel better about you know, 70 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: any decision that you make, especially this time of the year, 71 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: that makes the other team go thank you, is not 72 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: a great decision. 73 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: Blake Snell gave up the home runs two of the 74 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: first three pitches, but he did settle down, which is 75 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: remarkable when I can't imagine that feeling John when you 76 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: give up a home run to somebody to lead off, 77 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: and you know, a playoff game, now a World Series game. 78 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: It's a shock. I really thought that he was going 79 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 2: to establish his fastball because he didn't have a great 80 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: fastball last time. And I'll tell you what, when they 81 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: take that away from you, immediately you got to go 82 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: into a mode where you're like, oh man, that game plan, 83 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 2: like a scripted game plan, is great. But then they 84 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 2: took it away from him. So I did think he 85 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: settled down and made necessary adjustments. And the one thing 86 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 2: about Blake Snell is normally that outing would be good 87 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: enough to win a game, but the offense was not 88 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: good enough to win the game. 89 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: In a show, is there any chance let's just throw 90 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: out hypotheticals the Dodger win. Could Lad Guerrero Junior somehow 91 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: be the MVP in a losing effort. 92 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Blad Guerrero Junior has single handedly 93 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: showed the world what it's like to be a complete 94 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 2: player and how The World Series has absolutely been his 95 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: time here to show that for everybody, and I think 96 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 2: for the Toronto Blue Jays, for this country, for everything 97 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: that he signed on for. I said and asked the question, 98 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 2: did Glad need the World Series more than anybody else? 99 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 2: And I think the answer is yes, because of everything 100 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: that this year, this contract, who's been emotional about it. 101 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 2: I think it's been an awesome display of what a 102 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: great player he is, because obviously, focusing on Otani is 103 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: the easiest thing to do, because he's the greatest player 104 00:05:59,120 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 2: of our universe. 105 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: I talked to Kevin Malar this week and I said 106 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: that Yamamoto reminds me of Pedro Martinez. Do you see similarities? 107 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 2: I do, in the sense of the nastiness and his 108 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: ability to pitch in strike so and then to get 109 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: guys to chase the one thing that Yamamoto, which now 110 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: I'm like blown away when he went to the full 111 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: pen and what was going to be beginning nineteen, that's 112 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: all I needed to see. He instantly became for me 113 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: one of the guys. I'll never forget that moment. If 114 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: it were to go to the nineteenth after pitching a 115 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: nine inning complete game in today's game and then say 116 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,239 Speaker 2: I want to go pitch in the bullpen, that was awesome. 117 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: Would you rather pitch to Otani or Vlad Guerrero. 118 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: It's gonna sound crazy, but o'canni mainly because of the 119 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 2: left handed at bat versus the right handed at I 120 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: would normally say right handers, but Vlad Gray Junior is 121 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: a cross breed between Miguel Cabrera and the ability to 122 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 2: hit the power and average and his ability to not 123 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 2: come off certain pitches is swing wild. I mean, Poohols 124 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: did the same thing to it, and like facing either 125 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: of those two right handers, but the one thing you 126 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: got to know facing o'tani is you're going to be embarrassed. 127 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: You're going to be embarrassed, but you have a chance 128 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: to strike him out, and this year he had more 129 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: strikeouts than ever understandably, so just doing the role and 130 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: doing what he did. So either way it's not a 131 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: great result, but I feel like the ability to pitch 132 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: away and splits give you more chance of strikeouts with 133 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 2: Otani than you do with the Guerrero. And depending on 134 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: your circumstances, you may need that strikeout more than you 135 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: need the ability to pitch around somebody, because you may 136 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: not be able to do that. Given the circumstances. 137 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: What do you expect to happen Friday night? 138 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: First? And for most it's the lowdest place, it's the 139 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: most insane atmosphere. I expect that to be off the chart. 140 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: In all the baseball's that's the loudest by. 141 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: Far, right now by far, not even close. I mean 142 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: they're the hungriest, right they haven't been in a while. Yeah, 143 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: and it's a whole country. It's not a city, it's 144 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 2: a whole country rooting from the team. I wouldn't be 145 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 2: surprised they had twenty five thousand sitting there waiting for 146 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: it to see if they'll workout on today. I mean 147 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 2: they got a watch party. It's pretty cool. I mean 148 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: all the hats came back out. You know, it usually 149 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 2: happens that way, Like in nineteen ninety one, all the 150 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: Braves hats came out. It's been thirty two years. I 151 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: expect the Dodgers to be relentless in their quest because 152 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 2: much like the Jays, and they're relentless, the Dodgers have 153 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: a quiet, calm confidence. I say this before ever since 154 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: they were down two games to one last year to 155 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: San Diego Padres, something clicked, something changed and turned only 156 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 2: for the Dodgers from a player's only standpoint, and the 157 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: noises an't going to Literally the noise isn't going to 158 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: bother them, but the narratives that are following this club 159 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 2: won't bother them. Now, it doesn't guarantee they're going to win, 160 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: but that's a great recipe for a chance to defend, 161 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 2: which we haven't seen in a long time. 162 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: Quite as ballpark he ever pitched. 163 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: In Montreal, that's when that's when they used to have 164 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 2: not the technology that we have today. And but Montreal, 165 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: actually the pridest ballpark ever pitched in was when I 166 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 2: got my first year in Atlanta because we didn't have 167 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: any When you can hear the lights buzzing and the 168 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: vendors yelling you're in trouble man. That is not I'll 169 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: never forget the first time I went to a comedy 170 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: club in Atlanta and every single punchline was about the 171 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: Atlanta Braves. Like this would be a good year to 172 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: paint the seats, you know, like the it's it's just 173 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: amazing how it turned and how the chop and everything. So, 174 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 2: cities that haven't one in a while, you're gonna have 175 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 2: this incredible roar and excitement. 176 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: Safe travels, John, Thanks for getting up with us, and 177 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: we'll be watching on Friday night, My pleasure. 178 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 4: Thanks. 179 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: That's John Smoltz on the call with Joe Davis for 180 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: a World Series Game five last night. 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Go to 193 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 5: YouTube search Covino and Richt. That's are Check us out 194 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 5: on YouTube. Subscribe, hit that thumbs up icon coming away. 195 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: Jay billis he ESPN college basketball anlust? All of a sudden, 196 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: I'm watching the Spurs game. There's Jay and he is 197 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: raving about Victor winban Yama. When's the last time you 198 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: raved about somebody like you did Victor winban Yama. 199 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 4: Wow. 200 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 6: Probably Zion Williamson in college, something like that, or Lebron 201 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 6: Kevin Durant, you know, when they were in college and 202 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 6: coming into the draft. You know, it's rare that you 203 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 6: have a guy that you're you're looking at him going, 204 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 6: I've never seen this before, and you know you're old enough. 205 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 7: I'm not sure how much your audience is. 206 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 6: But the only guy I could kind of compare wemban 207 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 6: Yama too was Ralph Sampson. 208 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 7: Like, I really believe this. 209 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 6: If Ralph Sampson were born twenty one years ago, he'd 210 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 6: probably be in the wimban Yama atmosphere, because you know 211 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 6: he was. Samson graduated college in eighty three and he 212 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 6: was MVP the All Star Game in eighty five and 213 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 6: averaged over twenty and ten with the Rockets before he 214 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 6: got injured, and at seven four, really graceful, athletic, very 215 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 6: very skilled, but he was put down the post. If 216 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 6: he were allowed to play today's game, yeah, I think 217 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 6: he could be in that atmosphere. But there's never been 218 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 6: anything like Webin Yama at seven six or whatever he 219 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 6: is now. He was standing next to Derek Lively the 220 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 6: second of seven to one, and he made him look 221 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 6: like it made it look like Derek Clivey was standing 222 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 6: next to you. 223 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: How would you describe his game? 224 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 4: He is. 225 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 6: He's like a seven foot six praying mantis that has 226 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 6: the skills of a six to one guard, and he's 227 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 6: he's become more physical to the point where last year 228 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 6: I think he was shooting about eight almost nine threes 229 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 6: per game and half the amount of free throws, and 230 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 6: this year he's not taking near as many threes. I 231 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 6: mean he might be taking two a game, and he's 232 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 6: shooting a ton of free throws. I mean he's playing 233 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 6: his game more in the paint and making his presence 234 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 6: known from fifteen feet an end rather than outside of 235 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 6: that area, and his effectiveness has gone way up. But 236 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 6: I just think he's learning how to be more dominant 237 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 6: in every aspect of the game. And he's only going 238 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 6: to get better as long as he stays healthy. I mean, 239 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 6: he's twenty one years old and he's only going to 240 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 6: get better. It's crazy. 241 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: How much of his development do you lean on where 242 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: he played that he didn't go to college, but growing up, 243 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: you know in academies, the pro development and the all 244 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: around development that you find in Europe that you don't 245 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: necessarily find here in the United States. 246 00:13:55,679 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 6: I don't know that that's necessarily that big of a deal. Look, 247 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 6: I think we have in the United States. We've got 248 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 6: a skill development culture of late and more of an 249 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 6: AAU culture. So look, we're going to find something to 250 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 6: complain about. I mean, when we were in college, the 251 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 6: coaches complained that we played too much pickup ball and 252 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 6: we didn't do enough skill work. And now they're complaining 253 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 6: that they do too much skill work, they don't play 254 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 6: enough pickup nobody plays pickup anymore, and they don't know 255 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 6: how to play five on five. 256 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 7: We're always going to. 257 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 6: Complain about something, But I think what we wind up 258 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 6: missing in this Dan and I'm not saying you, but 259 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 6: you know, we tend to still have this narrative that 260 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 6: foreign players are doing things substantially different than we are 261 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 6: instead of looking at it like since the ninety two 262 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 6: Olympics and the Dream Team, basketball has exploded worldwide. We 263 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 6: still have most of the best players in the world, 264 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 6: but we're not going to have them all anymore. And 265 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 6: the idea like, right now, the top five candidates for 266 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 6: MVP are all foreign born players. Shake Guild Justice. Alexander 267 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 6: won it last year. He's Canadian. We're not going to 268 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 6: have all the best players anymore. That's just not going 269 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 6: to happen. The world's too big and basketball is the 270 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 6: second most popular sport in the world behind soccer. 271 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 1: But if I put a non US five against a 272 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: US five, who would you take. 273 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 6: A non US five against the US five? Yeah, so 274 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 6: you're asking me the international team. I mean, I would 275 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 6: take Jokic, Wueban Yama, Doncic, Shake Guild, just Alexander. 276 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 7: That crew, and they'd be really hard to beat. But 277 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 7: we'd be competitive. 278 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 6: It's not like we wouldn't win, Like we're still winning 279 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 6: gold medals now. But the problem is, like the it's 280 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 6: kind of like the Ryder Cup. You can't have just 281 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 6: one country against the United States. We're still going to 282 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 6: win that. But if you take the rest of the 283 00:15:55,640 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 6: world combined, of course, of course. 284 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 7: That's going to be a problem. 285 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 6: But like if you know, if we were just playing 286 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 6: if the Ryder Cup, if the US Ryder Cup team 287 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 6: was just playing great Britain and Ireland, now we dominate. 288 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 6: That's why they went to Europe. That's why I say 289 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 6: we still have most of the best players in the world, 290 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 6: the overwhelming majority we still have, but we don't have 291 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 6: them all. 292 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: I get Also Yanis on that non y, Yeah. 293 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, Yanis, that's the time, thank you. That's the top 294 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 6: five I was talking about for MVP, And the first 295 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 6: American you're going to mention American born player is probably 296 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 6: going to be Anthony Edwards of Minnesota, and he's further 297 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 6: down the list for MVP. 298 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: Right now talking to Jay Billis, he's got Duke in 299 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: Texas on November fourth and Kansas North Carolina November seventh. 300 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: What did you make a Cooper flag and his performance 301 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: against the Spurs good, not great. 302 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 6: But I think you kind of expect that a little bit, 303 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 6: Like he had a couple of things if you want 304 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 6: to say working against him. He was, at eighteen, asked 305 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 6: to play the point guard position in his first NBA game, 306 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 6: which certainly isn't an easy transition to make. He didn't 307 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 6: play point at Duke. He's got point guard skills, obviously, 308 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,959 Speaker 6: and he was being guarded by Stefan Castle, who's one 309 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 6: of the handful of the best defenders in the league 310 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 6: in my view, And that's a little bit of. 311 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 7: A challenge for a player. 312 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 6: And then once if you do get by your initial defender, 313 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 6: you're running into Wembenyama, So that's a challenge. He's had 314 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 6: some really good games and really good moments, and like 315 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 6: most rookies, I think he's going to have his up 316 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 6: and downs throughout the year. But he's the real deal. 317 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 6: And what is he averaging thirteen points, seven rebounds, whatever? 318 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 6: And he's made some great plays and he's made some 319 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 6: that haven't been as great. But I think as he 320 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 6: gets adjusted and that won't take too long to happen, 321 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 6: he's going to establish himself as one of the best 322 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 6: players in the league. 323 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: Anything stand out from Austin Reeves when you saw him 324 00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: in college. 325 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, So Austin Reeds started his career at Wichita State 326 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 6: and the first time I really saw him play. I 327 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:07,959 Speaker 6: saw him before that, but when I really saw him 328 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 6: play was at Maui when he was witch Don. He 329 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 6: had a shoulder injury and played through it, and my 330 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 6: thought was, man, this guy can really shoot it and 331 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 6: he's tough. But did I think, Okay, he's going to 332 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 6: be a great NBA player at that time? 333 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: No. 334 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 6: And then when he transferred to Oklahoma, You're going, man, 335 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 6: this guy can really play. 336 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 4: But still you weren't thinking like I wasn't. 337 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 6: I wasn't like jumping banging my fist on the table 338 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 6: when he didn't get drafted, going what are these guys doing? 339 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 6: You know, this is idiotic? How can you not draft 340 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 6: this guy? That's happening more and more now where players 341 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 6: tend to blossom a little bit later, and you see 342 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 6: more undrafted players having success in the NBA because it's 343 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 6: not all about being a superstar. You know, you got 344 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 6: the superstars that are in a small category in the lottery. 345 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 6: And then I think I heard one of my colleagues 346 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 6: last night, I think it was last night, talking about 347 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 6: you know, how did how did these guys go undrafted? 348 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 6: How did nicolea Jokic go in the second round. Well, 349 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 6: I don't remember any of those guys saying why why 350 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 6: wasn't it happening at the time. 351 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 7: You know, scouting's not easy. 352 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 6: And uh, and you're gonna you're gonna miss, Like all 353 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 6: thirty teams missed on Jokic in the first round. So 354 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 6: it's not like it's not like somebody's got a magic 355 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 6: formula of spotting this stuff in advance. You know, you do, 356 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 6: you do the best you can. But Austin Reeves is 357 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 6: a he's a stud, he's a he's a tough guy. 358 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: Who's the guy the player that you thought he was 359 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: going to be great and didn't turn out to be. 360 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 7: Thought was going to be great. God, there have been 361 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 7: a whole bunch of them. 362 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 6: I don't have one off the top of my head 363 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 6: Dan that I was like, oh my god, I thought 364 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 6: this guy was going to be unbelievable. I mean there's 365 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 6: been there been a bunch that. You know, we scratched 366 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 6: our heads the year Anthony Bennett from YOLV was taken 367 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 6: number one by Cleveland, Like, I didn't see that coming, 368 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 6: But I also didn't see him him uh, being being out. 369 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 7: Of the mix as quickly as he was. 370 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 6: I didn't see the Markel Foldstein coming, Like who could 371 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 6: have Who could have imagined that he have sort of 372 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 6: issues that weren't related to his talent that would be 373 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 6: uh so debilitating for him. But there have been a 374 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 6: lot of guys that that we've over like that. The 375 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 6: players are so young when you're evaluating them, it's hard 376 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 6: not to over project him at times because you've seen 377 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 6: other similar players, similar comps that did extraordinarily well, and 378 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 6: you go, man, he fits the suit of this guy, 379 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 6: so that that happens too. And that's why I think 380 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 6: the longer I've done this, uh, the more I've come 381 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 6: to come to realize for myself that you know, like 382 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 6: we're kind of guessing here, you do the best you can, 383 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 6: but you don't know you believe, like I believe this, 384 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 6: Like when Lebron came out, I felt like I knew 385 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 6: like I But but I've gone more to I really 386 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 6: believe this. 387 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: Who's the best player in college basketball this year? 388 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 8: Uh? 389 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 7: The best play? 390 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 6: Well, we've got an unbelievable group of freshmen that are 391 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 6: going to dominate the top of the draft. So BYU 392 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 6: has got aj Debanza and Duke's got Cameron Boozer, Kansas 393 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 6: has uh has Darren Peterson. So all these guys are 394 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 6: going to compete for the number one pick. If I 395 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 6: had one player I could have for a team, I 396 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 6: would want Braden Smith to Purdue the point guard. He's 397 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 6: the best point guard in the country. And I don't 398 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 6: think it's close. 399 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 4: Uh. 400 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 6: And while a lot of people around the college space 401 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 6: are are ringing their hands and predicting doomsday about you 402 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 6: know that there are no rules and it's the wild 403 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 6: world West and all that stuff, which it's not. Purdue 404 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 6: is keeping their players and they're not they're not getting 405 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 6: McDonald's All Americans. 406 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 7: Every year, and they're winning at a really high level. 407 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 6: So the idea, you can't do it in this transactional world, 408 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 6: I love that word that work. Transactional can't have relations 409 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 6: to the put anymore. It's all transactional, as if as 410 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 6: if a scholarship wasn't a transaction. 411 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 7: Those were transactions. 412 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 2: Uh. 413 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 6: But you can you can do it and quote unquote 414 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 6: do it the right way like Matt Painter does. You 415 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 6: don't have to you don't have to you know, sell 416 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 6: out and all that stuff. 417 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 7: It's possible. 418 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: Good to talk to you. Always good to talk to you. 419 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: Thanks Dan, Thanks body. That's Jay Billis. 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I'll tell 430 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 8: you why a couple different reasons. Number One, the Dolphins 431 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 8: looked really good on Sunday. I don't know if that 432 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 8: had more to do with the Dolphins or the Falcons 433 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 8: just laying an egg, but you still had a team 434 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 8: on the road against a decent opponent, and the Falcons 435 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 8: and the Dolphins took him to the woodshed. Now they're 436 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 8: playing at home on a Thursday night, and think about 437 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 8: what we've seen in recent weeks from some of these 438 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 8: road teams on Thursday nights. It hasn't been pretty. You know, 439 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 8: the Steelers defense a couple of weeks ago against the Bengals, 440 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 8: they weren't able to hold up. 441 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 4: You know, we've seen a lot of weeks now where 442 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 4: the road. 443 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 8: Team on these short weeks has not been up to 444 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 8: the vikings. Last week against the Chargers, I called that 445 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 8: game for Western one that was a disaster. And then 446 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 8: the Lamar Jackson factor. Dan, I know he's playing. I 447 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 8: know that's why the Ravens are big favorites. But he 448 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 8: wasn't healthy enough to play four days ago. They didn't 449 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 8: play him four days ago in a game they desperately needed. 450 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 8: So you just wonder, you know, is he one hundred percent? 451 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 8: Can he be full throttle with that hamstring? So it 452 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 8: does surprise me a little bit. 453 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, Can Mike McDaniel win his way out of this 454 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: mess and save his job? 455 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 4: I doubt it. I mean he can. 456 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 8: You know if they went out the rest of the season, sure, 457 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 8: do I think that's gonna happen? No, I think it's 458 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 8: surprising that they were able to play as well as 459 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 8: they did against the Falcons. I gotta be honest with you, Dan, 460 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 8: I kind of thought, I don't want to say that 461 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 8: those guys had packed it in, but I kind of 462 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 8: thought the Dolphins number one were going to be sellers 463 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 8: at the trade deadline, and they still might be with 464 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 8: edge rushers like Jalen Phillips or Bradley Chubb. 465 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 4: But also it felt like everybody. 466 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 8: Knew that Mike meet daniel was getting fired and that 467 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 8: Steven Ross just wasn't doing it because he didn't want 468 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 8: to take the chance that the interim head coach would 469 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 8: have a lot of success. Yeah, and that they would 470 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 8: feel compelled to hire him. But it kind of felt 471 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 8: like Mike McDaniel was a dead man walking. He probably 472 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 8: still is. So kudos to the Dolphins players and leaders 473 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 8: for the way they played on Sunday. I mean, they 474 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 8: fought for him, if that's why they were playing, and 475 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 8: I guess you know that they still are keeping this 476 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 8: thing alive if they can get some momentum. 477 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 4: I doubt it, but we'll find out. 478 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: The Falcons, and I've used this comparison and maybe it's unfair, 479 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: but they're kind of the Chargers of the East Coast 480 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: or the South where we every year we go. Man, 481 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: they got weapons. Man, they're going to be good now, 482 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: I know the Chargers have had injuries, but I don't. 483 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: I mean, how do you explain the Falcons. 484 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 4: I can't. 485 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 8: I can't mean they lost thirty to nothing to the 486 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 8: kill and the Panthers earlier in the year. You know, Dan, 487 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 8: I have a betting podcast, the Even Money Betting Podcasts. 488 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 4: The Falcons are banned that they're on my band list now, Okay. 489 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 8: Every time I'm like, oh, I start to believe in 490 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 8: the Falcons and I place a bet on them on 491 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 8: the show, they end up totally laying an egg out 492 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 8: of nowhere that you're not expecting. So they're on the 493 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 8: band list. You know what, I really don't understand if 494 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 8: you ask the running backs around the NFL, and look, 495 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 8: Jonathan Taylor is have an amazing year, but you talk 496 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 8: with like Saquon and some of these guys, they are 497 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 8: blown away by jon Robinson. 498 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 4: That should be. 499 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 8: The focal point of the Falcons offense every week. They 500 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 8: should do with Bijon what Kyle Shanahan does with Christian McCaffrey. 501 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 8: And yet there will be these games like this past Sunday, 502 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 8: where did Bijon have get the ball seven times in 503 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 8: the game? 504 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 4: I mean, that should just. 505 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 8: Never ever happen, and I don't know how the Falcons 506 00:26:59,080 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 8: allow it to. 507 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: You got the Chiefs against the Bills, and I know 508 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: we want to make this a rivalry. It was kind 509 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: of like the Red Sox and Yankees many many years ago, 510 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: when the Yankees kept beating the Red Sox, and I said, 511 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: it's not a rivalry until the Red Sox win. Buffalo 512 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: can win the regular season, but this is an a 513 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: rivalry until you win in the postseason, in my opinion, 514 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: you agree, I do agree. 515 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 8: You know, it reminds me of when I was playing 516 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 8: This is Peyton Manning and the Colts against Tom Brady 517 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 8: and the Patriots. They could not get over the hump. 518 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 8: They would you know, the Colts would win the regular 519 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 8: season matchups sometimes, but then in the playoffs when it mattered, 520 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 8: New England would just always find a way to get 521 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 8: it done. And it looked like that was going to 522 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 8: be the case in the two thousand and six AFC 523 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 8: Championship Game, and then the Colts said enough was enough 524 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 8: and they made enough plays to win that game and 525 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 8: then go on to win the Super Bowl. I thought 526 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 8: maybe that would be the case with the Bills in 527 00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 8: the postseason last year. 528 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 4: I thought it was a great opportunity. They weren't able to. 529 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 8: Do it, you know, and on some token, you know, 530 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 8: do you know the Bills have beaten the Chiefs in 531 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 8: the regular season every year but one, and then the 532 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 8: Chiefs beat the Bills in the playoffs. 533 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,959 Speaker 4: So on the one hand, Dan, I think some Bills 534 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 4: fans probably. 535 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 8: Look at it and say, you know what, I'd rather 536 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 8: lose to him in the regular season, give us the 537 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 8: better chance in the playoffs. The problem with that is 538 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 8: the Bills now have competition in their own division. They 539 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 8: haven't had it in a while, and now they're going 540 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 8: to be fighting, you know, tooth and nail to the 541 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 8: death now against the New England Patriots. So they can't 542 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 8: afford to lose this game and say we'll beat him 543 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 8: in the playoffs. You lose this game, now you're looking 544 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 8: up even further at the Patriots in the standings. 545 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: We're talking to Ross Tucker the Ross Tucker Football Podcast 546 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: and you can follow him at Ross Tucker NFL. You've 547 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: got an air force, an army on noon at noon 548 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: Eastern on Saturday, and you get on a flight and 549 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: you go to Tennessee for the Titans and the Chargers, 550 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: I've said this, I'm kind of on the warpath with this. 551 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: If cam Ward had a better social following, you know, 552 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: like if he was more popular, I think people would 553 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: be talking more about how bad he's played, sort of 554 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: like they did with Caleb Williams, because Caleb Williams had 555 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: a you know, he got clicks. Cam Ward doesn't get clicks. 556 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: But he's the number one overall pick in the draft. 557 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: And I find that interesting that if Caleb Williams was 558 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: in Tennessee and was having these numbers, we'd be crushing 559 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. We don't even talk about cam Ward of 560 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: the Titans. 561 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 8: Why, you know, I don't know the answer to that, 562 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 8: but I wonder that myself. 563 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 4: I think a big part of it. 564 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 8: He was really only on the college football scene for 565 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 8: one year. You know, what he did at Incarnate Word, 566 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 8: Nobody even knew about what he did it Washington State. 567 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 8: You know, people really weren't paying attention. Most people didn't 568 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 8: know who cam Ward was until he was playing last 569 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 8: year for the Miami Hurricanes. Whereas Caleb Williams was the 570 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 8: number one high school player in the country. He made 571 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 8: a bunch of plays as a true freshman in Oklahoma, 572 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 8: including in the game against Texas. Then he goes to USC, 573 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 8: wins the Heisman his second year, is the presumptive number 574 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 8: one pick. Even Shador Sanders got a lot more attention 575 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 8: and a lot more clicks than cam Ward. 576 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 4: He's just kind of been under the radar. And then 577 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 4: he didn't go to a big market team. 578 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 8: He didn't go to the Bears or an LA team, 579 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 8: or the Giants or the Jets. 580 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 4: He went to the Titans. 581 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 8: This combination of a guy that's been overshadowed in college 582 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 8: by the Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels and even Shador Sanders, 583 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 8: and then he goes to a team that's not good 584 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 8: at all in one of the smallest markets in the NFL, 585 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 8: you know, and people don't talk about him much. 586 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 4: And I think that's why it's going under the radar. 587 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 8: What I don't know and I'm curious about, is if 588 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 8: we had flipped Caleb. 589 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 4: Williams and Cam Wood, so cam wod's. 590 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 8: In a major market like Chicago, Caleb Williams is in Tennessee, 591 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 8: certainly it would they would be a little bit closer. 592 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 4: But I still don't know how much. 593 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: The Lions got that blueprint of that, you know, they're 594 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: they're signing up people before it's time for you know, 595 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: that bill to be paid. They've done that with golf, 596 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: they did that with Penny Sewell, they do that with 597 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson. 598 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 4: Here. 599 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: That's a big number for Aiden Hutchinson. That catch your attention. 600 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 8: It's a huge number. Two things caught my attention. Number One, 601 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 8: this is very rare in the NFL. He benefited from 602 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 8: getting hurt. He did because if if Hutchinson doesn't get hurt, 603 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 8: Dan they signed him shortly after the season because he's 604 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 8: after his third year, so they can give him an extension. 605 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,959 Speaker 8: And that's what they've been doing with these core guys 606 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 8: that they really like, and rightfully so. 607 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 4: But because he got hurt, I think they wanted to 608 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 4: see how he came back from injury. They wanted to 609 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 4: wait a little bit. 610 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 8: Well, in the meantime, Crosby got a new deal, Miles 611 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 8: Garrett got a new deal, TJ. Watt got a new deal, 612 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 8: and then Micah Parson set the bar really high. So 613 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 8: Hutchinson is one of the only guys I've ever seen 614 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 8: that benefited from a really bad injury. As in terms 615 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 8: of the way the Lions are going about it. They're 616 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 8: getting a lot of credit for it. Dan, it's the 617 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 8: Eagles model that the Eagles basically invented this, which is, 618 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 8: as soon as you know one of the guys you 619 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 8: drafted is a core guy that you went around for 620 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 8: the long term, you sign him as soon as possible 621 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 8: because then you spread the cap pain over the entire 622 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 8: length of deal. 623 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 4: So let's talk about Hutchinson. 624 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 8: Right, he has half a year left on the fourth 625 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 8: year of his rookie deal. They had already picked up 626 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 8: his fifth year option, so then you tag on those 627 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 8: four years. He just signed to year six, seven, eight, 628 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 8: and nine, right, So it's a big number, but the 629 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 8: cap pain will be spread out over five and a 630 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 8: half years, including the big signing bonus now, as opposed 631 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 8: to just the four year extension. It makes it a 632 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 8: lot easier to have a lot of talented guys on 633 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 8: your roster. 634 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 4: It's why the Bengals and the. 635 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 8: Cowboys keep screwing up and have all these type of 636 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 8: cap issues, and why teams like the Eagles and the 637 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 8: Lions they get way ahead of it. 638 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 4: Now. The negative is if. 639 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 8: Those guys start to get hurt or those guys start 640 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 8: to play poorly. You're stuck because you pro rated so 641 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 8: much of that money out over future years. 642 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: You cover college football. Leave you with this. The Louisiana 643 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: Governor Jeff Landry cold reporters yesterday that LSU athletic director 644 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: Scott Woodward would not be involved in the coaching search 645 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: and saying that he would let President Donald Trump do 646 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: it before the athletic director. What could go wrong in 647 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,280 Speaker 1: this situation? Ross? 648 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 8: I mean, this is why college football, especially in the South, 649 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 8: is so amazing, because. 650 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 4: I do think it is the case. I don't know 651 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 4: exactly the inner workings, Dan, but I do think it 652 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 4: is the case at a state. 653 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 8: University that ultimately the governor oversees it. I know, like 654 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 8: in Pennsylvania where I reside, the governor is able to 655 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 8: allocate three or five spots. 656 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 4: To the board at penn State. 657 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 8: So I don't know exactly the dynamic between the president 658 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 8: university and the governor of a state, but that is 659 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,760 Speaker 8: a I mean, if you're publicly saying that the ad 660 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 8: is not going to pick the football coach, that reminds 661 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,399 Speaker 8: me of like the movie office Space, like the like the. 662 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 4: Consulting to come in talk to the A D. What 663 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 4: what is it would you say. 664 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: That you do here? 665 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 8: Like if you don't pick the if you don't pick 666 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 8: the football coach, you might as well just fire the 667 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 8: a D. I don't even know what he's doing anymore 668 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 8: if he's not the guy picking the football coach. 669 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: Safe travels, Rachel Talk. Do you have a good weekend? 670 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 4: Always? 671 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Dan h Rush Tucker