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Just what I don't want. 22 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: Joined the Justice Nation, Crime stops here dot com Crime 23 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace there then nine year old daughter 24 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: founder mom dead in their apartment on New Year's Day. 25 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: Cops initially believed that Danishchefsky had fallen into the tub, 26 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: fatally striking her head, and she was buried without an 27 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: autopsy because of her Orthodox Jewish faith. But after Danischefski's 28 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: family he became suspicious, they agreed to have her body exhumed, 29 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: and the medical examiner found foul play. In April of 30 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: twenty ten, Shelley Danishevsky found dead in her multimillion dollar 31 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: New York apartment. I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories, 32 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. But after she was buried, 33 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:28,839 Speaker 1: it was determined foul play was involved. What led her 34 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: family to be suspicious? Joining me Now, Doctor Brian Russell, 35 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: psychologist and lawyer, host of investigation discoveries, hit series Fatal Vows, 36 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: renowned detective Stephen Lampley, North Carolina family and divorce lawyer 37 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, and joining me right now, Crime Stories investigative 38 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: reporter and author of Beautiful Life, The CSI Behind the 39 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 1: Casey Anthony Trial, Robin Walinski. First, I want to hear 40 00:02:55,120 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: Robin about Shelley and how her body was found. Well, Nancy, Unfortunately, 41 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: this woman was found face down in the bathtub in 42 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: her very expensive Upper West Side New York City apartment 43 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: by her young nine year old daughter at the time 44 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: on New Year's Eve, seven o'clock in the morning. She 45 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: finds her mommy lying there dead. Now, the little girl 46 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: at that time is nine years old, and she finds 47 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: mommy dead in the bathtub. Now, this is what I'm 48 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: trying to determine. When police came in, what did it 49 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: look like? How did they believe that she had been killed? 50 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: To me, she's a Reese Witherspoon look alike. She's just beautiful, 51 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: beautiful woman. She had a kind of a slash around 52 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: the back of her head, around the back of her neck, 53 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: and for some reason they thought that she slipped and 54 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: fell on the tub and ended up face down. You know, 55 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: it's interesting the only visible injury on Shelley's body was 56 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: a cut to the back of her head. And as 57 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: Robert Lynsky is tell us, she was found face down. Now, 58 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: how does that happen if you think through her falling 59 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: in the bathtub? Oh gosh, this is bringing back memories 60 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: of Michael Peterson's third wife, Kathleen Savio found dead. Excuse me, 61 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: thank you for that. There's so many Peterson's I've got 62 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: to keep straight. Drew Peterson's wife found dead, Kathleen Savio 63 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: in a dry bathtub, and they said that was an 64 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: accident too until she was exhumed. So this woman has 65 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: only one visible injury to her body to cut on 66 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: the back of her head. Yet as Robins telling us correctly, 67 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: she was faced down. Now, her family, extremely religious, protested 68 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: against an autopsy and they believed that it was too invasive. 69 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: So the real cause of her death went undetermined and 70 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: it was just accepted that she slipped in the tub. 71 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: To Kathleen Murphy North Carolin Line, a family and divorce lawyer, Kathleen, 72 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: I don't understand how she hits her head in the 73 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: back enough to cut it and then she ends up 74 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: face down. I believe that she was murdered and that's 75 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: how that happened. And I don't think that we have 76 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan on today the forensic investigator, but clearly 77 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: that was a murdered woman, just like Kathleen Peterson was 78 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: murdered too. Robin Willinski Crime online dot Com investigative reporter 79 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 1: and author of Beautiful Life Robin so. Six years passed 80 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: and all that time Shelley's death had been deemed an 81 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: accident until Covlin, the husband, was recorded by his then 82 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: mistress explain that's right. Well, he has girlfriends, allegedly many girlfriends, 83 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: but one of them decides to record him, and he's 84 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: trying to dream up an entire plot on how to 85 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: get his deceased ex wife's money. And he's trying to 86 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: frame his little daughter, just like he tries to frame 87 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: her six years earlier and say that she was the killer. 88 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: Now he's trying to frame her with a note that 89 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: she's admitting in her own words allegedly that she killed 90 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: her mommy. Oh you know what, this is the depth. 91 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: This is the depth of evil. To Stephen Lampley, renowned detective, 92 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: here's the kicker. You always look at the husband, the boyfriend, 93 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: the love her, the ex first. But at the time 94 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: the little girl, the daughter finds mommy dad in the bathtub. 95 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: The husband is not around. They didn't live together, although 96 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: they lived in the same building, the same apartment building. 97 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: They were divorcing. He was out taking a walk at 98 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: the time she was found, he was nowhere near the scene. 99 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: Is what, if anything, does that mean to you, Steve Well, 100 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: I can't imagine. I can't imagine any person leaving a 101 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: mother for a nine year old girl to find Nancy. Obviously, 102 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: he did that on purpose, and he wanted to distance himself, 103 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: so he goes away on a walk. So when I'm 104 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: guessing that he knew she was going to find her 105 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: mom at this certain time, so he goes away, and 106 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: she finds her and he's not anywhere around, so he 107 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: thinks he has an alibi. That's that's my opinion of 108 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: what happened to doctor Brian Russell, psychologists, lawyer, host of 109 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: investigation Discoveries, he at series Fatal Vows. I want to 110 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: talk about the daughter finding her mother's dead body because later, 111 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: years later, there was wild speculation that the daughter was 112 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: actually responsible. Years later, as we know now, Shelley Denishevsky 113 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: was exhumed and we find out that the real cause 114 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: of death is that she had a broken bone in 115 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: her neck, and the nine year old daughter could have 116 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: done it if she had pushed the mom in the bathtub. 117 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: So let's talk first about the impact finding your mother 118 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: dead would have on a nine year old little girl. Well, 119 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: one of the things that we talk about sadly often 120 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: on fatal vows is the incredible I mean, it's hard 121 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: for most people listening to imagine the callousness that you'd 122 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: have to have to murder your spouse in the first place, obviously, 123 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: but when you compound that and think about the callousness 124 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: that you'd have to have as a parent to murder 125 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: your spouse and let your kid be the one to 126 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: find them and have that carry that moment in their 127 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: mind for the rest of their lives. So for six years, 128 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: his wife, Shelley's death was deemed an accident until his 129 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: then mistress, his girlfriend, got him on tape. And you know, 130 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: it must have taken a lot for her to decide, 131 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: you know what, I need to tape this because I 132 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: don't want to be a part of this. So it 133 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: must have been mentioned many times before for her to 134 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: finally go, I'm going to get a tape recorder. Ready, 135 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tape it. When he talks about it again, 136 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: she tapes him hatching up a plot to marry his 137 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: little girl off so he would be able to control her. 138 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: Inheritance from her mother, and what he was hoping is 139 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: that by getting her married off, she would no longer 140 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: be considered a minor, and because of that technicality, he 141 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: could get access to all his wife's money. And this 142 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: is what I can't get over to Kathleen Murphy. You're 143 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: a family and divorce lawyer. He was so intent. Why 144 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: don't he gonna get a job and make money like 145 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: everybody else has too. He decided and land and arranged 146 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: to pay eighteen boy ten thousand dollars to go through 147 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: the marriage with his daughter so he could get her 148 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: declared no longer a minor and get at the mom's money. 149 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: There are generally people that come through the system, the 150 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: court system and drugs and alcohol, and very frequently I 151 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: see people coming through the court systems and they have 152 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: these mental health disorders like narcissism and borderline personality disorder. 153 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: This person doesn't think like a normal person, Nancy. 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We've had these feelings of inexorable loss for 181 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: our love to Shelly, and her passing has lived a 182 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: gaping loss in each of our lives from which we're 183 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: still suffering and continue to suffer almost six years after 184 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: she passed. You are hearing from our friends at dailymail 185 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: dot com. That was Shelley Danishevski's brother in law talking 186 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: about the pain and the suffering and the horrible time 187 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: they've endured since Shelley was killed. And remember for six 188 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: years she had been buried there in her grave. Everyone 189 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: assumed it was an accident until something very very unusual happened. 190 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: Her husband, Wrot Covlin. Remember they were divorcing at the time. 191 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: He lived in the building, but in a different apartment. 192 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: He was gone at the time her body was discovered, 193 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: until years later he tries to orchestrate a plan to 194 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: marry off his earlier was nine years old, but marry 195 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: off his now teen daughter. So the courts would determine 196 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: she was no longer a minor, even arranging to pay 197 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: a teen boy ten thousand dollars to marry her so 198 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: he the husband, could get his hands on the wife's millions. 199 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, if you take this in, if 200 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: you believe he had anything to do with this, you 201 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: would believe he's willing to marry off his teen girl 202 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: so he could get the money. And if he would 203 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: do that, what else would he do? Would he commit murder? 204 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: Straight back out to Robin Willleinski, Crime Online Com investigative 205 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: reporter joining us, you know that day when his girlfriend 206 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: recorded him trying to marry off the little girl Anna 207 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: so he could get the money. It takes me back 208 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: to another another plot of his where apparently he breaks 209 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: into her computer, the little girl's computer, and what do 210 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: police find there, Well, they find a note Nancy that 211 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: he's writing, allegedly in the voice of the little girl, 212 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: admitting that oh I killed my mother and I'm so sorry, 213 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: and I've been living with this pain for all these years, 214 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: and he tries to be her and concoct this note. 215 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy was obsessed with the four million 216 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: dollars that his estranged wife was worth, she was the 217 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: breadwinner in the family. He's playing back backgammon, he's playing 218 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: in tournaments games. Well, she's w what he's doing. What 219 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: playing back a professional backgam in games? And she's down 220 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: on Wall Street working her butt off, trying to earn 221 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: money paying for this very lovely Wait a minute, Wait 222 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: a minute. So she's working her rear end off on 223 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: Wall Street, which ain't easy. Is not easy. So she's 224 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: going down there in the pit to work every day. 225 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: And a husband declares he's a professional that gammon player, 226 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, Brian Russell, doctor Brian Russell, host of id's 227 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: Fatal Bows. You know what it reminds me of I 228 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: will never forget. When I was prosecuting an inner city 229 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: I befriended the office manager of the District Attorney's office. 230 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: Her office was right beside mine, and we would talk 231 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: and talk and talk. Well, it turned out her sister, 232 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: I thought they looked awfully alike, was her twin, and 233 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: she ran the indictment division, the grant the records room 234 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: for the DA office. Well, her husband to sisters quit 235 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: his job and decided to hunt for pirate treasure professionally. 236 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: And I remember the first time I heard that, I 237 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: was standing in the DA's office hall, and these were 238 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: two of the nicest, loveliest, most hard working women I 239 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: have ever known in my life. And I had never 240 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: heard anything like that. I mean, I was used to 241 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: my father getting up at the break of dawn and 242 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: going to work on the railroad even when he had 243 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: chest pains, and my mother being gone by the time 244 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: I got up long one to go work. And I 245 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: had never heard of anybody just quitting their job to 246 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: go look for pirate treasure. This is real, doctor Brian Russell. 247 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: That's not sounds like what this guy did. Hey, guess what, honey, 248 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: I'm quitting my job and I'm gonna play bad gammon 249 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: over my cold dead body. How did your friend, How 250 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: did the woman the attorney feel about that, the husband 251 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: going off and hunting for pirate treasure? Actually she supported 252 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: him for a really long time. Uh, and then finally 253 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: at some point, you know, they divorced. Well, of course, 254 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: And that's the funny thing about all this talk you 255 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: here in society today about how you know, uh, women 256 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: should feel uh, you know, empowered by being the higher 257 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: breadwinner in the family and they should be um, you know, 258 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: uh masculinity. The idea that a guy should be, you know, 259 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: the breadwinner for the family and provide for the family 260 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,479 Speaker 1: and everything is some kind of toxic, outdated, archaic idea 261 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: and all this stuff. Okay, I've never, rarely in my 262 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: career as a psychologist have I met a woman who 263 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: really wanted a guy who could not bring home at 264 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: least as much bacon as she could. And so this 265 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: whole idea that you ought to be happy be supporting 266 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: a guy and and not being there to raise you know, 267 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: to be you know, you kids primary, you know, caregiver, 268 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: but have a primary role in raising your own children. 269 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: That is the first that's the fallacy, and I think 270 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: most people know it, most women know it. And so 271 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: the lesson, the lesson in this, Nancy, is that you know, 272 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: for the women out there listening to us, if your 273 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: husband is feeding you some of this bs and telling 274 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: you that he's gonna go pursue his dreams of being 275 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: a pro golfer or a treasure hunter or a batcammon 276 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: player or whatever, you got to really rethink. If you 277 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: don't have any kids with that guy yet, I recommend 278 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: you not make any and you're gonna be wanting to 279 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: run for the hills. Eventually, run run for the hills, 280 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: as if you had seen a monster. Kathleen Murphy family 281 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: and divorce lawyer out of North Carolina. She's no stranger 282 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: to the court room. Kathleen, you know what now, I don't. 283 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: I don't. I disagree with doctor Brian in one way. 284 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: I would expect what I would expect to my husband, Kathleen, 285 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: is to get out there and work a job. If 286 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: I'm leaving every morning to go work, and I'm leaving 287 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: my children to go work, then I expect him to 288 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: do the same thing. I mean, even my twins at 289 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: age four, they ran in to say, Mommy, daddy's lounging 290 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: on the sofa. He's lounging because I would always when 291 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: I would be like cleaning up or doing the longer. 292 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: I go, oh, David, I'm so glad to see you're 293 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: lounging and watching TV. Of course, he'd been working all 294 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: day long, but you know, I think he should do 295 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: a double shift, just like me. So the twins can 296 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: wait to tell me Daddy was lounging. I went in 297 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: there and found him working on his computer with a 298 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: TV going, but a long a story short. Oh no, no, no, 299 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: l A z y is. It's the scourge. It's the worst. 300 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: Can you imagine a man telling you he's gonna play 301 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:56,239 Speaker 1: back Gavin for a living. Not an option, It's not 302 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: an option. And listen, Nancy, I'm laughing because my husband's 303 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: a firefighter, so he works approximately ten days a month. 304 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: Do you know I'm blowing up his phone on the 305 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: days that he's home because we don't do lazy in 306 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: our household. And we just don't do lazy. So if 307 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: you're not at the fire station, even though you just 308 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: did a twenty four hour shift, you're working, you darn right, 309 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 1: and you're taking the Christmas lights. Tell you that the 310 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: other morning I was out there at six o'clock in 311 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: the morning taking the reindeer down that had a horrible 312 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: blinking problem. I might add that never blinked correctly. It was. Anyway, 313 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: that's a whole other candle. Till my twelve year old son, 314 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: I Carola M. I say, we don't do lazy in 315 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: this household. Look at dad. Look at dad. Look how 316 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: hard he works, you darn right. And that's what I 317 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: say this. The children say, where's Dad? I'm like, hey, 318 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: I mean he's been gone since five am this morning. 319 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: He's out of town making a living. 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Did 339 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: a stock trader turned backgammon player actually try and frame 340 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: his nine year old daughter for his wife's death, and 341 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: did he try to marry her off a few years later, 342 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: paying a teen boy from Mexico ten thousand dollars or 343 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: planning to pay him ten thousand dollars to marry little 344 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: Anna so she would be deemed no longer a minor 345 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: so Daddy could get control of the four million dollars 346 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: state left behind by his former wife, Shelley Denishevsky. Those 347 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: are the allegations I want to go back to Robin 348 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: Lensky regarding him trying to frame their nine year old 349 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: daughter by pinning a fake confession. What did the confession 350 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: say that we know of? Nancy Kavlin knows the cops 351 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: are onto him, so he tries to pin the crime 352 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: and his nine year old daughter. He actually gets on 353 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: her computer pretending to be her and says in this 354 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: totally bogus letter, all of these years, I've been so 355 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: incredibly afraid and guilty about the night my mom died. 356 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: I lied. She just didn't slip. That day we got 357 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: into a fight about her dating. I got mad, so 358 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: I pushed her. But it couldn't have been that hard 359 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: explanation point. That letter goes on to say, I didn't 360 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: mean to hurt her, I swear, but she fail and 361 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: I heard a terrible noise and the waters started turning red, 362 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 1: and I tried to pull her head up, but she 363 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: remained still. Okay, do you really think those are the 364 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: words of a nine year old little girl to crack? 365 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: Detective Stephen Lampley? When a little girl nine years old? Right? 366 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: But she fell and I heard a terrible noise and 367 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: the water started turning red, and I tried to pull 368 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: her head up, but she remained still. Who would say 369 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: she remained still as a nine year old little girl? 370 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: And why would she write that on her Apple computer? 371 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: Steve Lampley? Sounds like adult writing to me. You're right, Nancy, 372 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: it is, of course. Obviously Cobbman wrote it as he's 373 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: tried to take the heat off of him from everything 374 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 1: else he's done. They get your correct The words are 375 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: suspect right off the bat, especially the ending of the 376 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: letter that she supposedly wrote, Yeah, she remained still. Hey, 377 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: I got another question for you, Steve, Lampley. You know 378 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: about behavioral evidence, behavioral evidence of a cause, circumstantial evidence, 379 00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: or evidence of routine. Now, evidence of routine became a 380 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,479 Speaker 1: centerpiece in the case of add Non Sayed, which also 381 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: was the focus of a hit podcast serial Sayed convicted 382 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: and the murder of his girlfriend. Now there, he always 383 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: had a routine. He would stay at school, he would 384 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: go to sports practice, and he would wait till his 385 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: dad picked him up, and then we'd go home or 386 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: go home and meet with his dad. Okay. On the 387 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: day of the girl friend's death, he left school. He 388 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: wandered over to a public library. He spent time there. 389 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: He did all sorts of things other than his daily 390 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: routine that he did every single day, that was contrary 391 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: to his routine. Now, let's talk about this case with 392 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: Shelley Danishevsky dead in the bathtub, husband Rod Koveln. He 393 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: decides to go for a walk at four a m. 394 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: That was not his normal routine, and catch this the 395 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: morning of the walk when he left the apartment building 396 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: where he lived. It really was interesting because for the 397 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: first time ever, he offered the dormant a cup of coffee. 398 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: He offered the dorman a cup of coffee at four am. 399 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: Now you may think, wow, what a nice guy. But 400 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: the dorman says that this was the guy who scarcely 401 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:31,479 Speaker 1: ever even acknowledged his existence. He never said one word 402 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: to the dormant ever, and this morning, of all mornings, 403 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: he strikes up a conversation, actually offers to go out 404 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,239 Speaker 1: and bring the dormant back a cup of coffee. Now 405 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: that may not be a big deal to you, but 406 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: Stephen Lambley to me, oh, I'd have a field day 407 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: with fat in court. A field day. Well man to 408 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: a couple of things that he went out for a walk. 409 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: He did change his routine. He went out for a walk. Well, 410 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to assume that he if he tried to 411 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: distance himself from her death a little bit and be 412 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: gone when the horseman, the daughter found him, and he 413 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: wants to make it known that he was not there. 414 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: So he buys the doorman and a cup of coffee. 415 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: See me here, I am right here. I'm not upstairs, 416 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: I'm not around my my soon to be ex wife. 417 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm here having coffee with you. And then also you 418 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: look back at the pristance. I think it's the Scott 419 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: Peterson case where it seems that a lot of times 420 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: when a spouse kills, especially the prinstance of male will 421 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: kill his female spouse, that he wants to clean. He 422 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: wants to clean the apartletter, he wants to clean the house. 423 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: For yes, he suddenly becomes a neat neck. He becomes 424 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: a neat knet. You know who that reminds me of, Hey, 425 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: Robin Willinski, remember us covering the Jodi Arias trial where 426 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: suddenly her fiancee, well her ex boyfriend, they were no 427 00:27:54,720 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: longer in dating Chavis Alexander. He had washed all the sheets, 428 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: Everything was clean as a pen except Whoopsie Aris's cell 429 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: phone was in the sheets and it showed shots of 430 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: his dead body on the cell phone. And like Steve 431 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: Lampley is saying, when Scott Peterson, when Lacy went missing, 432 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: he's selling decided he had to do all the laundry 433 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: and get out the bleach and mop. You know, I 434 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: applaud all men who want to help with the housework, 435 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: but why is it always so often in connection with 436 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: your wife's death and disappearance. Yeah, all of a sudden 437 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: every man is cleaning up the house. It's incredible to me. 438 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: I just want to make one point Nancy about the doorman. 439 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: I used to live in New York City and I 440 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: had a doorman. And let me tell you, the doorman 441 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: in New York City are like family members. They know 442 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: your routine, they know everything about you. They know when 443 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: you come, when you go, if you address them, if 444 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: you get them milk and cookies at eleven o'clock at night, 445 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: because they sit there twenty four hours a day. So 446 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: the fact that this doorman said that he's never engaged 447 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: with Rod and then magically he's buying him a cup 448 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: of coffee, that is extremely odd behavior. And I'm telling you, 449 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: if you want to know something about someone hit a 450 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: New York City of the doorman, that's right, that's right. 451 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: And he went out of his way to be seen 452 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: and to be noticed. Now, think about it. The little 453 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: girl now on her computer is apparently in her riding 454 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: in her talk that she killed her mother after an argument, 455 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: but that didn't wash. Take a listen to this. Stunned. 456 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: That's how Rod Colin's attorney says his client is feeling 457 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: right now that after six years, the father of two, 458 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: just moments ago face to judge here in Lower Manhattan 459 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: and was officially charged with second degree murder. The Coblin 460 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: did enter a not guilty plea and at this hour 461 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: is being held without bail. Now. Back in December of 462 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, authorities maintained he killed his wife, Shelley. 463 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: The couple's then nine year old daughter found her mom's 464 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: body face down in the bathtub of Shelley's Upper West 465 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: Side apartment. They have two kids together, and at the 466 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: time the pair was going through a bitter divorce and 467 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: custody battle. He lived in a separate apartment down the 468 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: hall now for religious reason. Shelley's was buried the next day. Initially, 469 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: her death was ruled an accident that she slipped and 470 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: fell in the bathroom. Months later, the victim's family had 471 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: her body exhumed, and authorities then ruled the death a 472 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: homicide by strangulation. Well yesterday morning, police arrested con Covlin 473 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: in Scarsale at a Metro North station. His attorney says 474 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: his client was on his way to visit his kids, 475 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: who now lived with his parents. In the back of 476 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: his mind, he did not know this stay was going 477 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: to come. Who was right for the beginning, He said, 478 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: he did not commit the crime and people should understand 479 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: right from the beginning, he cooperated with the police, with investigators, 480 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: he spoke to them for hours on end. So yes, 481 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: he stunned because based on the cooperation, based on what 482 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: he told them, based on the lack of credible evidence, 483 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: he never thought it would result in him being formally 484 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: charged with murder. Rod Covlin was living in a quiet 485 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,239 Speaker 1: neighborhood here in Westchester, would often take Metro north here 486 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: to Scarsdale to visit his two kids, who now lived 487 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: with his parents. But after six long years, his world 488 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,719 Speaker 1: was just turned upside down and he never saw it coming. 489 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: Mister Covlin is stunned. He's stunned by what has happened. 490 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: After six years of truly believing he was free and clear, 491 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: living in his home in New Rochelle, convinced he was 492 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: not a suspect in the death of his wife, Shelley. Today, 493 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: Rod Covelin seemed daze as he sat in a courtroom, 494 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: now charged with second degree murder. Shelley's sister Eve also 495 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: listened as the man who was once part of their 496 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: family entered a not guilty plea. In the back of 497 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,959 Speaker 1: his mind, he did not know this stay was going 498 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: to come who was right from the beginning. He said 499 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: he did not commit the crime. The forty two year 500 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: olds house of cards came crashing down here at the 501 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: Metro North station in Scarsdale yesterday morning, Covlin stepped off 502 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: a train and was cuffed. Back in two thousand and nine, 503 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: at the time of Shelley's death, the pair lived in 504 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: separate departments in this building on West sixty eighth Street. 505 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: They were going to a bitter divorce, but on New 506 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: Year's Eve, the couple's than nine year old daughter found 507 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: her mom dead in a bathtub. You were hearing from 508 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: our friends at ABC seven in New York. So after 509 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: six long years, the tide has turned. And it only 510 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: really turned after the defendant, Rod Colin, the husband of 511 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: Shelley Danishevski, tried to gang control of Shelley's four million 512 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: dollars that she had worked so hard to save while 513 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: he played backgammon. And it all really erupted when he 514 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: tried to blame his daughter Anna Anne when he tried 515 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: to marry her off to a teen boy from Mexico, 516 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: trying to pay him ten thousand dollars to marry Anna 517 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: so she would be deemed no longer a minor. That's 518 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: when it all changed to Robin Willinski, Crime Stories, investigative 519 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: reporter and author of Beautiful Life, to CSI behind the 520 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: Casey Anthony trial. That really wasn't the extent of it, 521 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: the full step And I don't know if this is 522 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: appropriate for a jury to hear because it touches on 523 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: other crimes, not the murder of Shelley Danishevski his wife. 524 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: But is it true that this guy, this husband Rod 525 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: called him the backgammon master, tried to he had to 526 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: plan to kill his own parents, and not only that, 527 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: tried to convince the little girl, his daughter Anna, to 528 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: accuse her grandfather, his father, of molesting her. This guy 529 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: is so sick. He keeps dreaming up the plot after 530 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: plot after plot, all with the intent, Nancy of getting 531 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: his hands on the money. So he wants a little 532 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: girl to say that her grandfather is molesting her, and 533 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: he kind of tells her a way to get into 534 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: all of that, that it would be real that if 535 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: a medical examiner looked at her, they would say, hmm, 536 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: well you're really young and it looks like you've been 537 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: having intercourse. To put it in a nutshell, he allegedly 538 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: tried to explain to his daughter how to break her 539 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: own hyman and appear that she had been molested. So, 540 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: I mean, aside from trying to get his daughter to 541 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: level completely untrue claims against his own dad, which reminds 542 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: me of the Casey Anthony trial, that's not unheard of. 543 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: I mean, Kathleen Murphy, you're the family and divorced lawyer. 544 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: You certainly heard of parents trying to force their children 545 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: to fabricate false claims. Unfortunately, Nancy, I feel very confident 546 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: that I have one of those situations right now, and 547 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: you have to look at the facts before those claims 548 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: are made, the facts surrounding what's going on in that 549 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: family's life before those claims are made, and look to 550 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: see whether there's a motive, a motive to get leverage 551 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: in a case. I see that, and that's not to 552 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: discount believe the children. But if these events are going on, 553 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: and there are other circumstances such as him attempting to 554 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: write this letter that shows that the child didn't write 555 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: the letter, and then having her fabricated statement made by 556 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: the grandmother or a statement from or a statement about 557 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,800 Speaker 1: the grandfather, you have to look at what's going on 558 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: in court, what's going on with it around? It's yeah, 559 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: and potential motives. To doctor Brian Russell's psychologist, lawyer host 560 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: of Id's Fatal vows, that is the worst trying to 561 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: drag your child into it and forced them to fabricate 562 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: claims of a molestation by his own dad. And if 563 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: I'm guessing doctor Brian that if he had used her 564 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: computer to make up a false confession that she killed 565 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: her own mom at age nine, he probably had this 566 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: written out somewhere, possibly possibly. I think the the overriding 567 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: point for me is you've got a guy here who 568 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 1: was willing to throw his wife under the bus literally 569 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 1: so that he could you play around, to play games 570 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 1: instead of working and see other women and still benefit 571 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: from her money. And then he's willing to throw his 572 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: daughter under the bus when suspicion turns to him as 573 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: maybe being a murderer, and also to gain access to 574 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: whatever money was left to the daughter by the mom. 575 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: I think that was really the strategy to get the money. 576 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 1: I don't really understand this thing about the marriage. Usually 577 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: when a kid gets married is when they do get acted. 578 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: When they become independent, they reach a certain age they 579 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: get married something like that, that is when they do 580 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,879 Speaker 1: get access to the money, and until then, when they're 581 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: a minor, is when the surviving parent controls it. So 582 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: I don't really understand that part. But then here he 583 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,439 Speaker 1: is willing to throw his own parents under the bus, 584 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: either by killing that literally or by having the granddaughter 585 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: accused them of accused the grandfather of molestation. So this 586 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 1: is a textbook illustration of what is at the core 587 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: that the personality trait at the core of a sociopath, 588 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: and that is entitlement. I am entitled to do whatever 589 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: I need to do to get what I want, and 590 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: everybody else be dem I want to talk about the 591 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,919 Speaker 1: forensic Steve Lampley, because if they can show this little 592 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: girl did not write her so called confession on her 593 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 1: Apple computer, then you got to figure out who did. 594 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,439 Speaker 1: How forensically can you prove she did not write it? Well, 595 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 1: it's going to take it when I was doing undercover 596 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: online catching pedophiles. A lot of this information is going 597 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: to come from the forensics people who deal with the 598 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: digital data that they will go in there and analyze 599 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: the date at the time that the entry was made. 600 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: Now they'll probably the linguistics person. I would imagine at 601 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: some point that would look as we talked about earlier, 602 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: that look at the wording of that note as well. 603 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,839 Speaker 1: The trial of the so called bathtub killer is going 604 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: on right now. Straight out to Crime online dot Com 605 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,439 Speaker 1: investigative reporter Robin Willinski, what's the very latest. Nancy Rod 606 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: Covlin led into the courtroom in handcuffs. He's dressed in 607 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: a light gray suit, striped shirt, and striped tie. Kavlin 608 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: on trial in Manhattan for murdering his wife, Shelley, who 609 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: was killed back on December thirty, first of two thousand 610 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: and nine, this happening in her upscale Upper West Side 611 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: apartment in New York City. Now, on the first day 612 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: of the murder trial, prosecutors laying out their case, saying 613 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: that Rod staged his estranged wife's death to make it 614 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,439 Speaker 1: look like an accidental drowning in her bathtub. Prosecutors believe Rod, 615 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: a taekwondo expert, snapped her neck. They say he played 616 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 1: professional backgammon while his then wife worked a high powered 617 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: job down on Wall Street, and then he plotted for 618 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: months to inherit her money millions of dollars five point 619 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: two million to be exact. And then on the day 620 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: before Shelley was to write him out of her will, 621 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: she's found dead by their young daughter on New Year's Eve. Now, 622 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 1: this case was unsolved for a period of time, and 623 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: this is because an autopsy was never done because the 624 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 1: family is Orthodox Jewish and doesn't believe in it. But 625 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: Shelley's parents grew suspicious Nancy, they had a change of heart, 626 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: agreeing to have her body exhoomed. And then the Emmy, 627 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 1: the medical examiner, determining that Shelley was strangled and had 628 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,760 Speaker 1: a broken bone in her neck. Defense attorney Robert Gottlieb 629 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: telling jurors that the broken bone from Shelley slipping and 630 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 1: falling in the tub. Annie claims police botched this investigation. 631 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Will the murder of Shelley 632 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: Danishevski be vindicated. Nancy Grace crime story, signing off Goodbye Friend,