WEBVTT - Jets FIRE Joe Douglas + Mid Year Defensive All Pro Lists 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.360 Welcome to football today. We're going to do ourselves a 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:07.960 little defensive All Pro. And the Jets have fired GM 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:10.280 Joe Douglas. I'm Boby was just gonna hear it, Justin Pennick, 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:14.640 Justin the Jets fired Joe Douglas thirty and sixty four 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.799 as the GM no winning seasons. Why didn't they do 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.440 this with Robert Salah because they took away Joe Douglas's 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:23.400 power with Robert sala and the GM doesn't have a 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.920 ton of say in season anyways. Why did they create 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:29.280 themselves another media circus for this? 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.360 Yeah, Jordan Schultz a couple of minutes before we started 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.479 recording this. We're recording this on a Tuesday evening. So 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.240 while Joe Douglas held the GM title until today, I'm 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:40.880 told much of the organization had been overseen by higher 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:42.880 ups over the past month. And it's apparently moves like 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:47.280 with Davante Adams trade, which many rival executives considered an overpay, 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.920 which it was the Hassan Redick negotiation renegotiation which installed 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.640 before being handled directly by others. And I and I'm 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.320 reading between the lines here, but Jordan Schultz went by others. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.680 I think Johnson, Woody Johnson probably stepped in and handled this. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.760 Yeah he did. Boy Johnson has taken over the team 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:04.880 like fully, yeah, man. 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:06.520 This is just uh, I don't I don't need to 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:08.880 tell you that it's that it's a mess. But uh, 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:11.520 you know why, Okay, sure they should have could have 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.240 fired Joe Douglas, you know when they fired Robert sala. 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:17.000 I honestly don't think that would have mattered all that 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.680 much in the retrospect of the Jets. I actually appreciate 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.040 them doing this now so they can get somewhat of 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:23.920 a leg up on the new GM search. 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.919 Here's the thing though about that part. Unless you're hiring 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:31.000 someone that doesn't currently have a job, you don't really 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:33.560 get that much of a leg up. Like you can 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.440 you can start doing your research like we we we 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.440 know how this works, justin we you know, they start 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:41.240 when they know they're going to fire their GM. They 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:43.440 start the legwork on that, but they can't they can't 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:46.760 actually talk to anybody until the season is actually over. 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:48.840 Right, but they can. 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:52.680 I think it's just better to do the research when 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.000 the when literally the lame duck is not in the building. 0:01:56.240 --> 0:02:00.280 I agree, But here's the Jets. And this is because 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:02.160 I want to talk about Joe Douglash's like tenure and 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:04.400 like did he deserve to get fired? Was he a 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.000 good GM, did he build a good roster? All that shit. 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:10.720 They are just a mess from the top down, man, 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.560 And it starts with ownership, right, Like I think they are. 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:15.480 I think they're a mess, and at every level of 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:19.400 their organization, whether it's you know, Woody Johnson, who is 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:23.440 the main culprit held. I think the pr you know, 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:25.960 section of the place is a mess. I think the 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.400 players are immature because there's a lack of leadership. You know, 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:33.000 they firing Robert Solo. We talked about it in the moment, 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:36.519 said this is an overreaction. This is a crazy overreaction 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.120 to a close loss to the Minnesota Vikings. And I'm 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.079 not saying Robert Sola would have fixed all their issues, 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.800 but you saw how much how worse their defense got. 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.960 There was no leadership added by it. Right, players have 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.280 been an issue, right, you know, Sauce Gardner's comments on 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:52.679 Jeff Olbert talking about tackling better and like we don't 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:54.320 need that, and then he goes out and misses a 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:58.920 tackle on a big play, like they're just a mess. 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:02.960 They're a very immature organization, and why did you keep 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.280 him like that? Matters? You know, especially when you have 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:07.320 an Aaron Rodgers figure there, Why did you keep him 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:10.200 around as this lame duck for what? 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:10.880 For? What? 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:12.720 To piss him off? When you go and make the 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.000 Devonte Adams trade when you bring in you know, you 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.040 know you get the his song REDI deal done it 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.359 Just it is like I hate using bad look. I 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.680 think feel like we're talking about oh it's a bad look, okay, 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:25.320 but is it good or is it bad? How does 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.520 it affect you going forward? But I do think this 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.400 affects the Jets negatively going forward because they are looked 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:34.000 at as a mess and they've done nothing to quiet 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.160 that this offseason. Right, they could have had a bad 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:38.800 season this year and fired Robert Sala and Joe Douglas 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:40.400 at the end and been like, hey, it didn't work. 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.440 Clean slate now instead of looking and now they look 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.720 like the most undesirable place to go in the NFL, 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:50.120 despite the fact that they actually have some talent on 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.320 that roster and it's a good on paper, it's a 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:55.400 good place to land a GM spot because there's so 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:59.280 many pieces in place right now, it's like I have 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:01.600 no desire to go work with that ownership group. 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:07.240 No, no, just this organization has just some of the 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:12.120 more beautiful, beautiful timings, and like the timing of things 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.600 over the last couple of years, where it even starts 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.200 with the timing of hiring Joe Douglas to begin with, 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:22.120 you hire him, This organization hired him in the summer 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:25.480 after the twenty nineteen drafts. So it technically like, if 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:28.919 you look up Joe Douglas's GM record on Pro Football Reference, 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.480 he gets accredited for that seven to nine twenty nineteen season. 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:35.599 That's not his draft class. Then bringing in and signing 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:39.480 Le'Veon Bell, that was Mike mccagnan's free agency decision to 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:41.840 sign Le'Veon Bell. That that draft class, that was Mike 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.680 mccannen's draft class. Yeah, Adam Gase, who was a brand 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.800 new head coach. You fire Todd Bowls after the twenty 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.760 eighteen season. Yeah, Adam Gase, who's a brand new head coach, 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:54.080 win a power struggle with mcagden, kicks kicks him out 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.440 before Gase even coaches a game. Then you hire Douglas. 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.400 So Douglas in a winds up, you know, winds up 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.839 organizing a pretty solid roster. But Bobby where I just 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:07.680 think it, it goes wrong ultimately, and it boils down 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.680 to two things. Number one, didn't get the coach right. 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:13.440 Was paired up with Adam Gase number one, so he 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.240 didn't even get a chance to techically choose him, even 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:17.839 though they were buddies, they were very very close. There's 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.360 a reason why Douglas was brought in when Gase was 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.760 the head coaches that those two were very close. And 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.080 then you hire Robert Sala, who's not much of a leader, 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:28.760 and you can't get a quarterback. I mean really really, 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.840 because this is a team that has talent, that has pieces. 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:34.160 In a way, you know, you kind of feel bad 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.440 for Joe Douglas and going out like this and being 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:39.960 you know, pushed to the side over the last month 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.320 when he's when he's organized a pretty solid roster. But 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.640 at the end of the day, GM is along with 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.240 picking talent, you know, the two most important things you 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.240 could do is you got to get quarterback right. He 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.240 didn't do, and you got to get the coach right, 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.680 which he very very much did not do. 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.880 But even that, like Robert Sala wasn't the right coach. 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:03.400 I don't view Robert Sala as this like awful coach, right, Like. 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:04.800 He's not the right coach. I don't think he's the 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.560 I don't think he's the right wasn't the right coach. 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:08.479 Was not that sure. 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.599 But you saw how good he got that defense going, 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:12.680 and they went seven and nine with off you know, 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.799 or seven to ten twice with like you know, bottom 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:20.440 three quarterback play. You know, here's where Joe Douglas I 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.640 think went wrong. Well, his drafting. I feel like his 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.640 drafting gets a little bit overrated. Like his twenty twenty 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:30.760 class was terrible, right, you know, you come out of 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:35.040 you know, the first three rounds with Mackai Beckton, Denzel Mims, 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.479 Ashton Davis, and Javari Zerniga. I mean Zuniga, I don't 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.159 think even made it to the initial fifty three. Ashton 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.120 Davis is still there actually, but not very good. Mims, 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:47.240 we know, he you know, didn't accomplish anything. Beck then 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:51.039 you know, injuries, but he was kind of very immature 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.159 and didn't take stuff serious. And then got Bryce Hall 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.560 in the fifth round. But everyone else there was bad. 0:06:56.880 --> 0:07:01.000 Twenty twenty one. Let me put you get Zach Wilson, 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.599 that's obviously your biggest miss right there. Right, that's a 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:07.080 big reason why he's fired. Elijah Verir Tuckery really good, 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.600 but he got injured. Elijah Moore was is not very good, 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.800 Michael Carter at the running back not very good. And 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:15.760 then you get some guys that can contribute. 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:19.640 I will suggest Jamie and Jamie Sherwood being that fifth 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.120 round pick and emerging and emerging at linebacker this year, 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.400 that that kind of doesn't save that draft class. But 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.520 getting a VT and getting Jamie and Sherwood out of there, 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.560 Michael Carter the second is a good players. It was 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.120 a solid player for them. Sure they should have never 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.760 cut Jason Pennock. You know, I think that makes that 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.600 draft class a little bit better, But I mean, you 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:40.400 can't he. 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:41.360 Nailed it the next year. 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.000 Yeah, he nailed at the next year and we had. 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:44.520 One of the best draft. Like when we look back 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:46.960 at the last when we look back at the last 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:50.160 five years, that draft class might be the best. He 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:53.560 gets Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, and Jermay and Johnson the 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:55.200 first nine. I know Sauce hasn't had a great year, 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:57.880 but that's an awesome class, Breeze Hall in the second, 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:00.360 Max Mitchell, who's like a swing guy for and then 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.280 Michael Clemens in the fourth round, who's who's a contributor 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:05.440 for them, But he hasn't lived up to the big role. 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:09.720 So I actually think he's built a good roster. I 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:13.200 think the issue is missing on Zach Wilson, and I'm 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.160 not going to blame him for going out and getting 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.920 Aaron Rodgers, but what I will is they they cower 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:22.280 to Aaron Rodgers too much, you know, whether that's signing 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.880 Allen Lazard and Mike Williams and and all the bullshit 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.240 that you know, the main one being Nate Hackett. Right, 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.440 Firing Michael Leffleur for Nate Hackett is a huge mistake. 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:33.679 Michael Fuur is a better offensive play caller and Nate 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.240 Hackett might be the worst. But they're just a mess. 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.240 Like you take away Nate Hackett's you know, play caller duties, 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:41.800 but keep him on the on the coaching staff, they're 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:43.719 just a mess. Jeff Ulbrick was not ready for the 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:47.360 introim head coach. I view their messes as more Woody 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:50.800 Johnson than than Joe Douglas. But at the end of 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:52.600 the day, I mean they went two and fourteen, four 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:54.360 and thirteen, seven and ten, seven and ten and now 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.439 three and eight. But I think Joe Douglas actually built 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.559 a pretty good roster. He just got quarter back wrong, 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:05.560 missed on some drafts, and coward to Aaron Rodgers too much. 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:08.480 The other part of the time of the timing piece 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:10.640 and the timing point that I was talking about, Okay, 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:14.360 so how he was hired just bad timing on the 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.320 organization's part. And then the second piece of this is 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:19.960 who would have thought? Man? 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:24.040 Who would have thought? This is why when Jets. 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.400 Fans call up w F A N and though yelling 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:29.640 screamed that the team is cursed, I almost can't even 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:33.959 dismiss it. I almost can't even dismiss it four plays, 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:38.160 four plays into the season until last year and Aaron 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.800 Rodgers goes down and you have to turn to Zach 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.800 Wilson that you wanted nothing to do with. You benched 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.440 the previous year. You had players wearing the Tim Boyle 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:51.760 shirts and everything like that. You made Mike White excuse me, 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.880 Mike White shirts. Tim Boyle was just signed to the Giants. 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:56.160 Rush show That's why he was on my mind. 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.000 They didn't know how to run an organization. I thought 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:01.440 Joe Douglas pilt like we something I taught even last year, 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.400 Like can't blame them for Ann Rodgers getting hurt. But 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:06.199 we said in the like why are they keeping Zach 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:09.040 Wilson around? Yeah, like this does like we talked like 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.680 no conviction this guy. You basically take them to the 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:14.199 curtain and said you hate him. You kept around with 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:17.120 your backup? Why didn't you take a backup? QB? More serious? 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:19.720 You know, when you go sign Alan Lazard, who's you know, 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.959 been actually been a performer, he actually can perform halfway 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.000 decent with Annon Rodgers, that's not a reason to sign 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.199 a guy to that contract. But they're just I think 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.800 it's I just think it's a very immature, not immature, 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:34.400 but they're just they're dysfunctional. They're a dysfunctional organizations. And 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:39.320 I think Joe Douglas, Robert Salah, Anon Rodgers contributed to it, 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:43.719 but the main culprit is all obviously Woody and his 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:44.920 brother Chris Johnson. 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.880 Can you believe it got it's this bad? 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:49.240 Though? 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:51.400 Yes, No, I can't. 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.760 I can't believe it's this bad. Man. 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.120 I saw a world where the Jets go seven, ten, 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.440 eight and nine and things just don't go their. 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:00.000 Way, and that would have been a disappointm. 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.680 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I did not see it 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:03.560 going this bad. 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:05.760 What is Rogers? 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:07.600 I don't think it goes as bad if they if 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:09.239 they don't fire Robert Thaler. 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.040 Does Does Rogers have a worse winning percentage than Zach 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:13.959 Wilson as a starter? 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:18.280 Yes? And and Sam Darnold too. 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:20.720 It's unbelievable. 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:21.080 I I. 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:24.240 I picked the Jets to win twelve games. 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:26.600 I thought the Jets were gonna get to the AFC 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:27.840 Championship Game this year. 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:33.680 That that was the Those are the expectations. Man. I can't. 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.240 I can't believe it. You almost can. 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:38.959 You can believe it because this is the Jets. This 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:43.360 is what they do. If Rogers is out, everybody's gonna 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.720 be out. I mean, I'm even I'm even thinking about 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:50.839 trading away pieces and acquiring picks and what there what 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.000 there's no window. I don't know what's next. Man. 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.079 Now here's the thing. If they weren't such a dysfunctional organization, 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.520 this would, to me, this would be a good job. 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:01.640 You have a lot of young talent on this team, 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:05.080 and the quarterback is going to open up. I think 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.360 they can have. I don't know what they're gonna do 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.920 with Anon Rodgers. They may this may be part of keep, 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.920 this may be part of keeping him for another year. 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:15.080 I don't know what's going to happen there. But it 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.640 is a talented roster. But it's just a dysfunctional franchise overall. 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:20.559 So yeah, yeah, Rogers has done. 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:22.400 They listen and they listen to him too, Like how 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:23.840 do you even keep how do you even go with 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.640 Rogers when a lot of their issues are his doing, 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:32.760 you know, right being example number one. Yeah, and he 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:36.000 can't move as well. He's I think he's played worsh 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.520 you know, down the stretch. Even with adding DeVante Adams, 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.880 they've just been a mess. They're just a dysfunctional franchise 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:44.920 and it sucks for them because this was supposed to 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:47.360 be the year. They're just a masterclass and like doing 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:51.040 the dumbest shit possible at all times. 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It's probma Code Football 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.240 today only at the DraftKings Sportsbook. 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:46.520 You will be glad you did. 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:51.520 You'd be glad you did defensive mid season All Pro 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:53.800 even though it's not mid season, it's like two third season. 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:55.640 But we've been one to dudes for episode for a 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.720 while and haven't been able to do it defensive end, Justin, 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:00.880 It all starts with a up front. When it comes 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.160 to defensive players. I feel like there's a lot of 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.400 competition for this one. So we're doing first team and 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:09.000 second team. We're doing four d linemen, two defensive ends, 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:13.920 two defensive tackles, two linebackers, two cornerbacks, two safeties, keeping 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.680 it keeping it simple. We only have ten players on 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.920 the field. But that's okay, Justin, who is your first 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:21.440 team defensive ends? 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.480 So I'm going with edge rushers here. That's the proper name. 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.160 Uh Trey Hendrickson and. 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.080 T J. Watt. TJ Watt. 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:36.000 Okay, I have an honorable mention as Nick Bosa. I 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:37.600 had a hard time between Nick Bosa. 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:39.400 Oh, you can just put them on. Did you put 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:40.520 together a second team or no? 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:41.600 I did not. 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.680 I have honorable mentions for my for my first and. 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.920 Okay I have I have second teams. I put Miles 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:48.600 Garrett in there. 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.640 Yeah, his win rate and he's dominating and win right 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:54.280 now that I watch him play. 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.760 I watch him play and it's just it is to me, 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:00.840 it's the best defensive end in football consistently, Like I 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:02.880 don't know how he does it, Like it's magical the 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.760 type of shit he does. And and just because the 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:08.040 you know, the sack total isn't great this year, it 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.080 doesn't mean I'm gonna I'm gonna ding him for Like 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:12.640 I watch him and I'm like, this is the best 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.680 two way player in the NFL. And then Trey Hendrickson, 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.520 I mean, you just you just can't keep him. I mean, 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.160 there's the most sacks in the NFL, total pressures, most 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.920 tackles for a loss. You know, he's second in win 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.440 rate when you after Miles Garrett, when you exclude Aiden Hutchinson. 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:30.320 It's it's a damn shame that the Bengals have what 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.320 could be a defensive player of the Year and Trey 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:36.120 Hendrickson a one of the best offenses in football and 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:36.800 they just suck. 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:40.000 It is a damn shame. 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.800 It's a it's pretty cool to see Trey Hendrickson, white 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.040 guy out there with those long white sleeves in the 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.880 in the dark visor just running around, running around, kicking 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:50.120 ass and dominating men. 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.360 And he does it against good tackles too, right, like 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:56.120 he football Like there's not a ton of great right 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.240 tackles in the NFL. There's a pretty good amount of 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.600 good left handles in the NFL. And he wins against 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:03.720 him right, and he lines up solely on the left 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:05.680 tackle where you know you mentioned TJ. Watt. He lines 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.720 up solely on the right tackle like he never you 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:11.680 know faces you know the most the highest paid guys 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:16.120 in the NFL. For second team, I did put Nick Bosa. 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:20.120 I put Andrew van Ginkle in there. Oh hello, I 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.760 mean he's fourth in sacks for edge players first and 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:26.400 tackles for a loss and he has two interceptions, Like 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.840 he's having a phenomenal season for Minnesota. If we did 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.520 a draft of like drafting the players of who we want, 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.840 would Van Ginkle go top four? No? No, But like 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.040 I think he is a huge part of what's making 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:40.560 that Brian Floors Viking's defense go yeah. 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.120 And then a similar mindset, like if I had to 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:46.280 go with the second team, Nick Bosa would be one 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:48.920 and then maybe even one of the one of the 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.360 Denver edge rushers. In a similar mindset, like a Nick Benito, 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:57.160 Uh Jonathan Cooper, Right, I feel like some of those 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.880 guys serve serve a very similar purpose as Van Ginkle. 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.240 I think Benito's more talented. He's the guy, He's the 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:04.160 guy with the most talent out of out of all 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.840 of them. But in this blitz heavy scheme like doing 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.160 those little things right like Van Ginkle does, he's having 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.640 as having a solid year, yeah, and he just. 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.560 Goes out there and wins consistently, you know, So he's 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:18.000 he's playing well. TJ. Watt was the guy that got 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.680 left off for me. But Nick Bosa, you know, Nick 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:24.359 Bosa has been awesome this year. You really find Miles Garrett, 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.600 Nick Bosa, and TJ. Watt, Right, they're three of the 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:31.840 five every single year. Yeah, And I think what probably 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.159 like watch box score stats are really good. He's but 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.159 I think I think his can get better of the year. 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:38.880 I wouldn't be surprised if he's on my first thing 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:39.640 by the end of the year. 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.000 And what really put him as my first team right 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.679 now is that his his run defense is phenomenal. That 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.840 that's what separated Like again it was between Bosa and 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:51.280 Watt for me. What put what separated Watt was that 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.160 his his run defense and some of his numbers there 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.320 are just they're just they're just better. 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.760 Alrighty, defensive tackle, what do you got all. 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:04.280 Right, Dexhea Lawrence? I think it is the clear clear 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.280 number one nose tackle. 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:08.639 Has to be. I mean, he's second in the NFL 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:10.840 in sacks and he's a def he's a nose tackle. 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.560 He gets double team more than like anybody in NFL history. 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.000 He's a beast like he's the only thing holding the 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.359 Giants run defense together, even though it's not held together 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:23.679 very well. Just eas easy money, right. If the Giants 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:25.600 were better, he might actually get Defensive Player of the 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:26.120 Year this year. 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.080 Yeah, I think I think he would be in consideration 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:29.359 of it. And he doesn't have a sack over the 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.080 last two or three weeks, but Giants stood up a 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.440 bye week. I talked to him today and he referenced 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.680 that he was feeling really good. So that's so, that's good. 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.439 He's like the rest of the NFL, let me rest up. 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.119 That's not good. So he did reference that. 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.320 We obviously watched Exterra Lawrence a little more closely. He 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:46.760 hasn't been able to he he has gotten doubled like 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.560