Speaker 1: Welcome to football today. We're going to do ourselves a
Speaker 1: little defensive All Pro. And the Jets have fired GM
Speaker 1: Joe Douglas. I'm Boby was just gonna hear it, Justin Pennick,
Speaker 1: Justin the Jets fired Joe Douglas thirty and sixty four
Speaker 1: as the GM no winning seasons. Why didn't they do
Speaker 1: this with Robert Salah because they took away Joe Douglas's
Speaker 1: power with Robert sala and the GM doesn't have a
Speaker 1: ton of say in season anyways. Why did they create
Speaker 1: themselves another media circus for this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan Schultz a couple of minutes before we started
Speaker 2: recording this. We're recording this on a Tuesday evening. So
Speaker 2: while Joe Douglas held the GM title until today, I'm
Speaker 2: told much of the organization had been overseen by higher
Speaker 2: ups over the past month. And it's apparently moves like
Speaker 2: with Davante Adams trade, which many rival executives considered an overpay,
Speaker 2: which it was the Hassan Redick negotiation renegotiation which installed
Speaker 2: before being handled directly by others. And I and I'm
Speaker 2: reading between the lines here, but Jordan Schultz went by others.
Speaker 2: I think Johnson, Woody Johnson probably stepped in and handled this.
Speaker 1: Yeah he did. Boy Johnson has taken over the team
Speaker 1: like fully, yeah, man.
Speaker 2: This is just uh, I don't I don't need to
Speaker 2: tell you that it's that it's a mess. But uh,
Speaker 2: you know why, Okay, sure they should have could have
Speaker 2: fired Joe Douglas, you know when they fired Robert sala.
Speaker 2: I honestly don't think that would have mattered all that
Speaker 2: much in the retrospect of the Jets. I actually appreciate
Speaker 2: them doing this now so they can get somewhat of
Speaker 2: a leg up on the new GM search.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing though about that part. Unless you're hiring
Speaker 1: someone that doesn't currently have a job, you don't really
Speaker 1: get that much of a leg up. Like you can
Speaker 1: you can start doing your research like we we we
Speaker 1: know how this works, justin we you know, they start
Speaker 1: when they know they're going to fire their GM. They
Speaker 1: start the legwork on that, but they can't they can't
Speaker 1: actually talk to anybody until the season is actually over.
Speaker 3: Right, but they can.
Speaker 2: I think it's just better to do the research when
Speaker 2: the when literally the lame duck is not in the building.
Speaker 1: I agree, But here's the Jets. And this is because
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Joe Douglash's like tenure and
Speaker 1: like did he deserve to get fired? Was he a
Speaker 1: good GM, did he build a good roster? All that shit.
Speaker 1: They are just a mess from the top down, man,
Speaker 1: And it starts with ownership, right, Like I think they are.
Speaker 1: I think they're a mess, and at every level of
Speaker 1: their organization, whether it's you know, Woody Johnson, who is
Speaker 1: the main culprit held. I think the pr you know,
Speaker 1: section of the place is a mess. I think the
Speaker 1: players are immature because there's a lack of leadership. You know,
Speaker 1: they firing Robert Solo. We talked about it in the moment,
Speaker 1: said this is an overreaction. This is a crazy overreaction
Speaker 1: to a close loss to the Minnesota Vikings. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying Robert Sola would have fixed all their issues,
Speaker 1: but you saw how much how worse their defense got.
Speaker 1: There was no leadership added by it. Right, players have
Speaker 1: been an issue, right, you know, Sauce Gardner's comments on
Speaker 1: Jeff Olbert talking about tackling better and like we don't
Speaker 1: need that, and then he goes out and misses a
Speaker 1: tackle on a big play, like they're just a mess.
Speaker 1: They're a very immature organization, and why did you keep
Speaker 1: him like that? Matters? You know, especially when you have
Speaker 1: an Aaron Rodgers figure there, Why did you keep him
Speaker 1: around as this lame duck for what?
Speaker 2: For? What?
Speaker 1: To piss him off? When you go and make the
Speaker 1: Devonte Adams trade when you bring in you know, you
Speaker 1: know you get the his song REDI deal done it
Speaker 1: Just it is like I hate using bad look. I
Speaker 1: think feel like we're talking about oh it's a bad look, okay,
Speaker 1: but is it good or is it bad? How does
Speaker 1: it affect you going forward? But I do think this
Speaker 1: affects the Jets negatively going forward because they are looked
Speaker 1: at as a mess and they've done nothing to quiet
Speaker 1: that this offseason. Right, they could have had a bad
Speaker 1: season this year and fired Robert Sala and Joe Douglas
Speaker 1: at the end and been like, hey, it didn't work.
Speaker 1: Clean slate now instead of looking and now they look
Speaker 1: like the most undesirable place to go in the NFL,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that they actually have some talent on
Speaker 1: that roster and it's a good on paper, it's a
Speaker 1: good place to land a GM spot because there's so
Speaker 1: many pieces in place right now, it's like I have
Speaker 1: no desire to go work with that ownership group.
Speaker 2: No, no, just this organization has just some of the
Speaker 2: more beautiful, beautiful timings, and like the timing of things
Speaker 2: over the last couple of years, where it even starts
Speaker 2: with the timing of hiring Joe Douglas to begin with,
Speaker 2: you hire him, This organization hired him in the summer
Speaker 2: after the twenty nineteen drafts. So it technically like, if
Speaker 2: you look up Joe Douglas's GM record on Pro Football Reference,
Speaker 2: he gets accredited for that seven to nine twenty nineteen season.
Speaker 2: That's not his draft class. Then bringing in and signing
Speaker 2: Le'Veon Bell, that was Mike mccagnan's free agency decision to
Speaker 2: sign Le'Veon Bell. That that draft class, that was Mike
Speaker 2: mccannen's draft class. Yeah, Adam Gase, who was a brand
Speaker 2: new head coach. You fire Todd Bowls after the twenty
Speaker 2: eighteen season. Yeah, Adam Gase, who's a brand new head coach,
Speaker 2: win a power struggle with mcagden, kicks kicks him out
Speaker 2: before Gase even coaches a game. Then you hire Douglas.
Speaker 2: So Douglas in a winds up, you know, winds up
Speaker 2: organizing a pretty solid roster. But Bobby where I just
Speaker 2: think it, it goes wrong ultimately, and it boils down
Speaker 2: to two things. Number one, didn't get the coach right.
Speaker 2: Was paired up with Adam Gase number one, so he
Speaker 2: didn't even get a chance to techically choose him, even
Speaker 2: though they were buddies, they were very very close. There's
Speaker 2: a reason why Douglas was brought in when Gase was
Speaker 2: the head coaches that those two were very close. And
Speaker 2: then you hire Robert Sala, who's not much of a leader,
Speaker 2: and you can't get a quarterback. I mean really really,
Speaker 2: because this is a team that has talent, that has pieces.
Speaker 2: In a way, you know, you kind of feel bad
Speaker 2: for Joe Douglas and going out like this and being
Speaker 2: you know, pushed to the side over the last month
Speaker 2: when he's when he's organized a pretty solid roster. But
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, GM is along with
Speaker 2: picking talent, you know, the two most important things you
Speaker 2: could do is you got to get quarterback right. He
Speaker 2: didn't do, and you got to get the coach right,
Speaker 2: which he very very much did not do.
Speaker 1: But even that, like Robert Sala wasn't the right coach.
Speaker 1: I don't view Robert Sala as this like awful coach, right, Like.
Speaker 2: He's not the right coach. I don't think he's the
Speaker 2: I don't think he's the right wasn't the right coach.
Speaker 3: Was not that sure.
Speaker 1: But you saw how good he got that defense going,
Speaker 1: and they went seven and nine with off you know,
Speaker 1: or seven to ten twice with like you know, bottom
Speaker 1: three quarterback play. You know, here's where Joe Douglas I
Speaker 1: think went wrong. Well, his drafting. I feel like his
Speaker 1: drafting gets a little bit overrated. Like his twenty twenty
Speaker 1: class was terrible, right, you know, you come out of
Speaker 1: you know, the first three rounds with Mackai Beckton, Denzel Mims,
Speaker 1: Ashton Davis, and Javari Zerniga. I mean Zuniga, I don't
Speaker 1: think even made it to the initial fifty three. Ashton
Speaker 1: Davis is still there actually, but not very good. Mims,
Speaker 1: we know, he you know, didn't accomplish anything. Beck then
Speaker 1: you know, injuries, but he was kind of very immature
Speaker 1: and didn't take stuff serious. And then got Bryce Hall
Speaker 1: in the fifth round. But everyone else there was bad.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty one. Let me put you get Zach Wilson,
Speaker 1: that's obviously your biggest miss right there. Right, that's a
Speaker 1: big reason why he's fired. Elijah Verir Tuckery really good,
Speaker 1: but he got injured. Elijah Moore was is not very good,
Speaker 1: Michael Carter at the running back not very good. And
Speaker 1: then you get some guys that can contribute.
Speaker 2: I will suggest Jamie and Jamie Sherwood being that fifth
Speaker 2: round pick and emerging and emerging at linebacker this year,
Speaker 2: that that kind of doesn't save that draft class. But
Speaker 2: getting a VT and getting Jamie and Sherwood out of there,
Speaker 2: Michael Carter the second is a good players. It was
Speaker 2: a solid player for them. Sure they should have never
Speaker 2: cut Jason Pennock. You know, I think that makes that
Speaker 2: draft class a little bit better, But I mean, you
Speaker 2: can't he.
Speaker 1: Nailed it the next year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he nailed at the next year and we had.
Speaker 1: One of the best draft. Like when we look back
Speaker 1: at the last when we look back at the last
Speaker 1: five years, that draft class might be the best. He
Speaker 1: gets Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, and Jermay and Johnson the
Speaker 1: first nine. I know Sauce hasn't had a great year,
Speaker 1: but that's an awesome class, Breeze Hall in the second,
Speaker 1: Max Mitchell, who's like a swing guy for and then
Speaker 1: Michael Clemens in the fourth round, who's who's a contributor
Speaker 1: for them, But he hasn't lived up to the big role.
Speaker 1: So I actually think he's built a good roster. I
Speaker 1: think the issue is missing on Zach Wilson, and I'm
Speaker 1: not going to blame him for going out and getting
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, but what I will is they they cower
Speaker 1: to Aaron Rodgers too much, you know, whether that's signing
Speaker 1: Allen Lazard and Mike Williams and and all the bullshit
Speaker 1: that you know, the main one being Nate Hackett. Right,
Speaker 1: Firing Michael Leffleur for Nate Hackett is a huge mistake.
Speaker 1: Michael Fuur is a better offensive play caller and Nate
Speaker 1: Hackett might be the worst. But they're just a mess.
Speaker 1: Like you take away Nate Hackett's you know, play caller duties,
Speaker 1: but keep him on the on the coaching staff, they're
Speaker 1: just a mess. Jeff Ulbrick was not ready for the
Speaker 1: introim head coach. I view their messes as more Woody
Speaker 1: Johnson than than Joe Douglas. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I mean they went two and fourteen, four
Speaker 1: and thirteen, seven and ten, seven and ten and now
Speaker 1: three and eight. But I think Joe Douglas actually built
Speaker 1: a pretty good roster. He just got quarter back wrong,
Speaker 1: missed on some drafts, and coward to Aaron Rodgers too much.
Speaker 2: The other part of the time of the timing piece
Speaker 2: and the timing point that I was talking about, Okay,
Speaker 2: so how he was hired just bad timing on the
Speaker 2: organization's part. And then the second piece of this is
Speaker 2: who would have thought? Man?
Speaker 3: Who would have thought? This is why when Jets.
Speaker 2: Fans call up w F A N and though yelling
Speaker 2: screamed that the team is cursed, I almost can't even
Speaker 2: dismiss it. I almost can't even dismiss it four plays,
Speaker 2: four plays into the season until last year and Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers goes down and you have to turn to Zach
Speaker 2: Wilson that you wanted nothing to do with. You benched
Speaker 2: the previous year. You had players wearing the Tim Boyle
Speaker 2: shirts and everything like that. You made Mike White excuse me,
Speaker 2: Mike White shirts. Tim Boyle was just signed to the Giants.
Speaker 2: Rush show That's why he was on my mind.
Speaker 1: They didn't know how to run an organization. I thought
Speaker 1: Joe Douglas pilt like we something I taught even last year,
Speaker 1: Like can't blame them for Ann Rodgers getting hurt. But
Speaker 1: we said in the like why are they keeping Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson around? Yeah, like this does like we talked like
Speaker 1: no conviction this guy. You basically take them to the
Speaker 1: curtain and said you hate him. You kept around with
Speaker 1: your backup? Why didn't you take a backup? QB? More serious?
Speaker 1: You know, when you go sign Alan Lazard, who's you know,
Speaker 1: been actually been a performer, he actually can perform halfway
Speaker 1: decent with Annon Rodgers, that's not a reason to sign
Speaker 1: a guy to that contract. But they're just I think
Speaker 1: it's I just think it's a very immature, not immature,
Speaker 1: but they're just they're dysfunctional. They're a dysfunctional organizations. And
Speaker 1: I think Joe Douglas, Robert Salah, Anon Rodgers contributed to it,
Speaker 1: but the main culprit is all obviously Woody and his
Speaker 1: brother Chris Johnson.
Speaker 2: Can you believe it got it's this bad?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 1: Yes, No, I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't believe it's this bad. Man.
Speaker 1: I saw a world where the Jets go seven, ten,
Speaker 1: eight and nine and things just don't go their.
Speaker 3: Way, and that would have been a disappointm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I did not see it
Speaker 1: going this bad.
Speaker 3: What is Rogers?
Speaker 1: I don't think it goes as bad if they if
Speaker 1: they don't fire Robert Thaler.
Speaker 2: Does Does Rogers have a worse winning percentage than Zach
Speaker 2: Wilson as a starter?
Speaker 1: Yes? And and Sam Darnold too.
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I I.
Speaker 3: I picked the Jets to win twelve games.
Speaker 2: I thought the Jets were gonna get to the AFC
Speaker 2: Championship Game this year.
Speaker 3: That that was the Those are the expectations. Man. I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't believe it. You almost can.
Speaker 2: You can believe it because this is the Jets. This
Speaker 2: is what they do. If Rogers is out, everybody's gonna
Speaker 2: be out. I mean, I'm even I'm even thinking about
Speaker 2: trading away pieces and acquiring picks and what there what
Speaker 2: there's no window. I don't know what's next. Man.
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. If they weren't such a dysfunctional organization,
Speaker 1: this would, to me, this would be a good job.
Speaker 1: You have a lot of young talent on this team,
Speaker 1: and the quarterback is going to open up. I think
Speaker 1: they can have. I don't know what they're gonna do
Speaker 1: with Anon Rodgers. They may this may be part of keep,
Speaker 1: this may be part of keeping him for another year.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen there. But it
Speaker 1: is a talented roster. But it's just a dysfunctional franchise overall.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, Rogers has done.
Speaker 1: They listen and they listen to him too, Like how
Speaker 1: do you even keep how do you even go with
Speaker 1: Rogers when a lot of their issues are his doing,
Speaker 1: you know, right being example number one. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: can't move as well. He's I think he's played worsh
Speaker 1: you know, down the stretch. Even with adding DeVante Adams,
Speaker 1: they've just been a mess. They're just a dysfunctional franchise
Speaker 1: and it sucks for them because this was supposed to
Speaker 1: be the year. They're just a masterclass and like doing
Speaker 1: the dumbest shit possible at all times. All right, justin
Speaker 1: once you talk to us about something and then we'll
Speaker 1: get into our mid season defensive all pros, I will talk.
Speaker 3: To you about something.
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Speaker 3: You will be glad you did.
Speaker 1: You'd be glad you did defensive mid season All Pro
Speaker 1: even though it's not mid season, it's like two third season.
Speaker 1: But we've been one to dudes for episode for a
Speaker 1: while and haven't been able to do it defensive end, Justin,
Speaker 1: It all starts with a up front. When it comes
Speaker 1: to defensive players. I feel like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: competition for this one. So we're doing first team and
Speaker 1: second team. We're doing four d linemen, two defensive ends,
Speaker 1: two defensive tackles, two linebackers, two cornerbacks, two safeties, keeping
Speaker 1: it keeping it simple. We only have ten players on
Speaker 1: the field. But that's okay, Justin, who is your first
Speaker 1: team defensive ends?
Speaker 2: So I'm going with edge rushers here. That's the proper name.
Speaker 2: Uh Trey Hendrickson and.
Speaker 1: T J. Watt. TJ Watt.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have an honorable mention as Nick Bosa. I
Speaker 2: had a hard time between Nick Bosa.
Speaker 1: Oh, you can just put them on. Did you put
Speaker 1: together a second team or no?
Speaker 3: I did not.
Speaker 2: I have honorable mentions for my for my first and.
Speaker 1: Okay I have I have second teams. I put Miles
Speaker 1: Garrett in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his win rate and he's dominating and win right
Speaker 2: now that I watch him play.
Speaker 1: I watch him play and it's just it is to me,
Speaker 1: it's the best defensive end in football consistently, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know how he does it, Like it's magical the
Speaker 1: type of shit he does. And and just because the
Speaker 1: you know, the sack total isn't great this year, it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean I'm gonna I'm gonna ding him for Like
Speaker 1: I watch him and I'm like, this is the best
Speaker 1: two way player in the NFL. And then Trey Hendrickson,
Speaker 1: I mean, you just you just can't keep him. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's the most sacks in the NFL, total pressures, most
Speaker 1: tackles for a loss. You know, he's second in win
Speaker 1: rate when you after Miles Garrett, when you exclude Aiden Hutchinson.
Speaker 1: It's it's a damn shame that the Bengals have what
Speaker 1: could be a defensive player of the Year and Trey
Speaker 1: Hendrickson a one of the best offenses in football and
Speaker 1: they just suck.
Speaker 3: It is a damn shame.
Speaker 2: It's a it's pretty cool to see Trey Hendrickson, white
Speaker 2: guy out there with those long white sleeves in the
Speaker 2: in the dark visor just running around, running around, kicking
Speaker 2: ass and dominating men.
Speaker 1: And he does it against good tackles too, right, like
Speaker 1: he football Like there's not a ton of great right
Speaker 1: tackles in the NFL. There's a pretty good amount of
Speaker 1: good left handles in the NFL. And he wins against
Speaker 1: him right, and he lines up solely on the left
Speaker 1: tackle where you know you mentioned TJ. Watt. He lines
Speaker 1: up solely on the right tackle like he never you
Speaker 1: know faces you know the most the highest paid guys
Speaker 1: in the NFL. For second team, I did put Nick Bosa.
Speaker 1: I put Andrew van Ginkle in there. Oh hello, I
Speaker 1: mean he's fourth in sacks for edge players first and
Speaker 1: tackles for a loss and he has two interceptions, Like
Speaker 1: he's having a phenomenal season for Minnesota. If we did
Speaker 1: a draft of like drafting the players of who we want,
Speaker 1: would Van Ginkle go top four? No? No, But like
Speaker 1: I think he is a huge part of what's making
Speaker 1: that Brian Floors Viking's defense go yeah.
Speaker 2: And then a similar mindset, like if I had to
Speaker 2: go with the second team, Nick Bosa would be one
Speaker 2: and then maybe even one of the one of the
Speaker 2: Denver edge rushers. In a similar mindset, like a Nick Benito,
Speaker 2: Uh Jonathan Cooper, Right, I feel like some of those
Speaker 2: guys serve serve a very similar purpose as Van Ginkle.
Speaker 2: I think Benito's more talented. He's the guy, He's the
Speaker 2: guy with the most talent out of out of all
Speaker 2: of them. But in this blitz heavy scheme like doing
Speaker 2: those little things right like Van Ginkle does, he's having
Speaker 2: as having a solid year, yeah, and he just.
Speaker 1: Goes out there and wins consistently, you know, So he's
Speaker 1: he's playing well. TJ. Watt was the guy that got
Speaker 1: left off for me. But Nick Bosa, you know, Nick
Speaker 1: Bosa has been awesome this year. You really find Miles Garrett,
Speaker 1: Nick Bosa, and TJ. Watt, Right, they're three of the
Speaker 1: five every single year. Yeah, And I think what probably
Speaker 1: like watch box score stats are really good. He's but
Speaker 1: I think I think his can get better of the year.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if he's on my first thing
Speaker 1: by the end of the year.
Speaker 2: And what really put him as my first team right
Speaker 2: now is that his his run defense is phenomenal. That
Speaker 2: that's what separated Like again it was between Bosa and
Speaker 2: Watt for me. What put what separated Watt was that
Speaker 2: his his run defense and some of his numbers there
Speaker 2: are just they're just they're just better.
Speaker 1: Alrighty, defensive tackle, what do you got all.
Speaker 2: Right, Dexhea Lawrence? I think it is the clear clear
Speaker 2: number one nose tackle.
Speaker 1: Has to be. I mean, he's second in the NFL
Speaker 1: in sacks and he's a def he's a nose tackle.
Speaker 1: He gets double team more than like anybody in NFL history.
Speaker 1: He's a beast like he's the only thing holding the
Speaker 1: Giants run defense together, even though it's not held together
Speaker 1: very well. Just eas easy money, right. If the Giants
Speaker 1: were better, he might actually get Defensive Player of the
Speaker 1: Year this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think he would be in consideration
Speaker 2: of it. And he doesn't have a sack over the
Speaker 2: last two or three weeks, but Giants stood up a
Speaker 2: bye week. I talked to him today and he referenced
Speaker 2: that he was feeling really good. So that's so, that's good.
Speaker 2: He's like the rest of the NFL, let me rest up.
Speaker 2: That's not good. So he did reference that.
Speaker 1: We obviously watched Exterra Lawrence a little more closely. He
Speaker 1: hasn't been able to he he has gotten doubled like
Speaker 1: he's always double teamed a lot. I feel like they've
Speaker 1: ramped up this year where he's not able to get
Speaker 1: like the total sacks, hit some pressures every single week
Speaker 1: like he did the last two years. But it's just
Speaker 1: like it's so clear he's dominant. And did you pick
Speaker 1: Chris Jones as your number two? I thought there was
Speaker 1: a good competition for number two.
Speaker 2: He's my honorable mention, Chris Jones. If I had, if
Speaker 2: I had to go with who was more valuable to
Speaker 2: their team, it would be Chris Jones. But I doubled
Speaker 2: up on my Pittsburgh Steelers Bobby I went and I
Speaker 2: went Cam Hayward.
Speaker 1: So Cam Hayward was second team for me. You know,
Speaker 1: Chris Jones has four sacks, Cam Hayward six and a half.
Speaker 1: But I you know, Chris Jones to me has he
Speaker 1: has thirteen total, more pressures, the win rate Chris Jones
Speaker 1: and Cam Haywardyward. Hayward's got him there. I think the
Speaker 1: stats are so similar to where I'm like, I think
Speaker 1: Chris Jones is the clearly better player that I went
Speaker 1: with Chris Jones. But Cam Hayward's having a phenomenal year
Speaker 1: and he'd be He's the first guy off the bench,
Speaker 1: has my second team All Pro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the writing was on the wall for
Speaker 2: Cam Hayward. You know, I don't know if anybody saw
Speaker 2: the total resurgence year. You know, the Steelers gave that extension.
Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody saw this fully coming. But
Speaker 2: the right was on the wall, Like even though the
Speaker 2: sack production was down last year, the hits were still there,
Speaker 2: the pressures were still there. So the rioting was kind
Speaker 2: of on the wall for the overall production to go
Speaker 2: up for Cam Hayward this year. So I'm glad that he's, uh,
Speaker 2: he's producing well for Pittsburgh. Anybody that kind of doubted him,
Speaker 2: screw you. They gave him the extension, well deserved.
Speaker 3: Cam Hayward him washed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he has the second most defensive tackles of
Speaker 1: sacks at defensive tackle now, you know, eighth and total
Speaker 1: pressure highest, you know, like second highest win rate. He's
Speaker 1: he's been a beast. And I put Zach Allen as
Speaker 1: my my other second team defensive tackle for the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1: So justin defensive player of the Year usually comes from
Speaker 1: these two groups. Who you think is defensive Player of
Speaker 1: the year though right now, I don't feel like there's
Speaker 1: a clear no.
Speaker 2: Still wants to say Aden Hutchinson, but that's not because.
Speaker 3: That's how impressive.
Speaker 1: When we did our award show couple. Yeah, he got
Speaker 1: injured last week, but this week he's still in my
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 2: He's still like top fifteen of a lot of these
Speaker 2: past rushing categories, which is which we really did get
Speaker 2: robbed of probably what was going to be one of
Speaker 2: the best seasons in like in decades and in literally decades,
Speaker 2: and Hunch was on pace for that. I I would
Speaker 2: give it to it would Trey Hendrickson, guy. I think
Speaker 2: it just has had its leaning sacks, right?
Speaker 1: Is he going to get it on a bad defense?
Speaker 2: Though, So then again, it feels like like if you're
Speaker 2: if you were to go over DraftKings, like TJ. Watt
Speaker 2: is just always up there, and I feel like TJ
Speaker 2: watch just TJ.
Speaker 1: Watt probably has the best off because he's always like,
Speaker 1: you know, towards twenty almost at twenty sacks every year.
Speaker 2: And the Steelers are the Steelers aren't just good, they're
Speaker 2: they're like good good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're leading the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's what I would say, I don't think
Speaker 3: there's a corner.
Speaker 1: So I would if you ask me who who's gonna
Speaker 1: win it? TJ Watt right now, who should win it?
Speaker 1: It's Trey Hendrick. Oh yes, I agree with that, all right, linebacker.
Speaker 1: Now this is where my second guy, Fred Warner, first team.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I don't have a lot of strong
Speaker 1: take so I went first team Fred Warner. That one
Speaker 1: was easy, Like I watched him play. He's nuts, he's having,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe his best year. Jack Campbell for the
Speaker 1: short Lions. I put second as this other first team
Speaker 1: All Pro, and then I put j Oka, Jeremiah Usa
Speaker 1: Kormos second team, and Devin Lloyd for the jag second team.
Speaker 2: Can I tell you who I have as right next
Speaker 2: to Fred Warner? And this is based off of I
Speaker 2: have watched this guy play, you know, maybe like I
Speaker 2: haven't watched a ton of j Oka this year, even
Speaker 2: though if you're a listener of the show, you know
Speaker 2: how much I love ja Oka. He's playing ninety two
Speaker 2: percent of the snaps, which that was my that was
Speaker 2: my main ass for the Cleveland Browns. Hey, let's let's
Speaker 2: not play this guy that gets twenty tackles for loss
Speaker 2: seventy six percent.
Speaker 3: Let's bump that up.
Speaker 2: So they're doing that this year. Obviously, Roquan Smith's a dude,
Speaker 2: He's a dog. He got hurt, you know, he got
Speaker 2: hurt last week.
Speaker 1: But I've been playing bad honestly this year to Roquan.
Speaker 2: The guy that I have next to Fred Warner, it's
Speaker 2: Zach Bond for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1: I thought about putting him in here. I need to
Speaker 1: pay more attention to him though.
Speaker 2: He makes impact plays, game changing plays left and right,
Speaker 2: whether they're tackles, whether it's past deflections, whether it's plays
Speaker 2: and coverage like he flies all over. And I think
Speaker 2: it was Vic Fangio that I think he was like
Speaker 2: an off ball linebacker, like an outside linebacker for the
Speaker 2: majority of his career so far, and then they converted
Speaker 2: him to off ball interior linebacker. And that is the
Speaker 2: best decision that anybody has made in his NFL career.
Speaker 2: So it saved his NFL career where he went from
Speaker 2: a guy that, hey, he's a decent player, a journeyman
Speaker 2: will play sometimes to full time starter, impact player, and
Speaker 2: I think he deserves to be up there with the
Speaker 2: top interior linebackers in the NFL right now just makes
Speaker 2: impact plays every week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Vic Vangiel has gotten the absolute most out of him,
Speaker 1: and he definitely could have been in there for me.
Speaker 1: Corner man, This is where I get a little excuse.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot of ones. First team
Speaker 1: Patrick certain Junior for the Denver Broncos, and I know
Speaker 1: he hasn't been as dominant the last few games, but
Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson, who I think is the best corner in
Speaker 1: the NFL for the Chicago Bears. But Certain, man, he's
Speaker 1: giving up one hundred and forty two yards and ten
Speaker 1: games and eighteen catches while also having three interceptions and
Speaker 1: two pass breakoups. Like he's giving up fourteen yards per game. Again, Like,
Speaker 1: I feel like we need to stop making Defensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Year essentially only a pass rusher award because
Speaker 1: Patrick Sartain's making as good of an argument for it
Speaker 1: as anybody in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think out of corners with at least fifty
Speaker 2: percent of the minimum threshold of snaps played on PFF
Speaker 2: for their premium stats, he's allowed the least amount of
Speaker 2: yards and I don't even think it's even close. Man,
Speaker 2: so there are some stats that we talked about earlier
Speaker 2: on I like we were I think it was on
Speaker 2: our one of our award shows that we did a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. It said, Pat certain like they
Speaker 2: are they are allowing him to shadow number one corners.
Speaker 2: It's not just pick a side play aside. He's shadowing
Speaker 2: these number one corners. He's following these guys, he's dominating them.
Speaker 2: He's making players on the football. He has some interceptions
Speaker 2: on the ledger this year too, pretty sure of one
Speaker 2: of them is a pick six. I mean, Pat certains
Speaker 2: one of the biggest reasons why this Broncos defense is
Speaker 2: where it is. You know, obviously they have that pass rush,
Speaker 2: they get after it up front, but you know you
Speaker 2: got to have the guys in the back that are
Speaker 2: going to hold up in Pats Certain's holding up these
Speaker 2: number one wide receivers.
Speaker 1: Yep. And then I put Jalen Johnson as my other one.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's best in the NFL and snaffs per
Speaker 1: reception allowed. You know, again, not not quite as dominant
Speaker 1: as the last two years, but that's like his last
Speaker 1: two years were unbelievably ridiculous. He has two interceptions that
Speaker 1: Bears defense actually is still really good regards despite the
Speaker 1: fact that they continue to lose games over there. You know,
Speaker 1: I had a hard time leaving off though, who Kenyon
Speaker 1: Kenyon Mitchell? Oh who. By the way, I'm in love
Speaker 1: with our draft takes this year where I'm like, Jared
Speaker 1: Versus my number one defensive player in the draft, and
Speaker 1: Kenya Mitchell's my number two like and they were like
Speaker 1: the two guys who I viewed as worthy of top
Speaker 1: ten picks in the NFL draft. And I'm I'm still
Speaker 1: pissed off with the Atlanta Falcons that they didn't draft
Speaker 1: year adverse when they're going for it now and they
Speaker 1: have the worst pass rush in the NFL and it
Speaker 1: allows them to be such a piece of shit defense
Speaker 1: because they can't rush the pass at all. Yes, it
Speaker 1: makes me angry, but hey, Michael Pennix, you know, when
Speaker 1: he's twenty seven and gets that first start, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be nasty. Hopefully Pennix is great. It makes me eat
Speaker 1: my words. But Mitchell's been nuts, dude.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: His first four games two hundred and fifteen yards allowed
Speaker 1: fourteen receptions, the last six games seventy eight yards on
Speaker 1: nine receptions. He has seven pass breakups on the year,
Speaker 1: no touchdowns allowed, no interceptions, So he like he he's
Speaker 1: not first team All Pro right now, because it's how
Speaker 1: did you do a whole year? And I thought the
Speaker 1: first four games, there's a lot of good moments, but
Speaker 1: there still was some you know, bad plays that he
Speaker 1: gave up in coverage. But he looked like he belie long. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: he's become really good down the stretch. And I think
Speaker 1: Jared Vers is going to be the runaway defensive Rookie
Speaker 1: of the year just because of the nature of that award,
Speaker 1: and we'd look at the pass rushers first, but Kenyon
Speaker 1: Mitchell is having a phenomenal rookie year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I didn't put him at the top
Speaker 2: like that at the top. Like the second guy that
Speaker 2: I have is Marlon Humphrey from the race.
Speaker 1: He was on my second team Off Pro as well.
Speaker 2: Five interceptions, yeah, five interceptions, a QB rating of fifty
Speaker 2: five point six. It's one of the lowest in the league.
Speaker 2: You know, thirty two catches on the year, three hundred
Speaker 2: and thirteen yards. The next guy that I have, I
Speaker 2: have Derek Singley. You know, got a chance to watch
Speaker 2: him on national television going going up against Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 2: You know, I think he's actually the lowest in quarterback
Speaker 2: ratings so far this year. Yeah, forty nine point seven.
Speaker 2: It's actually him and Kamari Lassiter as one and two.
Speaker 2: Then Marlon Humphrey is three with the lowest passer ratings
Speaker 2: allowed out of a corners that have played at least
Speaker 2: around two hundred and fifty ish.
Speaker 3: So I have Derek.
Speaker 2: Singley two or excuse me three because I've pascertained Marlon
Speaker 2: Humphrey Derek Singly, and then I have an honorable mention
Speaker 2: of I love the way that Zion McCollum has played.
Speaker 2: I know he's had some some bad moments this year,
Speaker 2: but Zion McCollum has had some really really good games.
Speaker 2: He's been really physical too, on a Bucks defense that
Speaker 2: asked you to be physical, similar to similar with the
Speaker 2: with the Broncos. Right, you have a team that's blitzing
Speaker 2: up front, a team that wants to be aggressive, and
Speaker 2: you need a corner back there that's going to take
Speaker 2: care of business, and Zion mccoum has done that.
Speaker 1: We gotta go quick. First team safety, Oh what could
Speaker 1: have been the new York Giants safety duo. Instead we
Speaker 1: got fucking Deontay Banks and Jason Pennock e Xavier McKinney
Speaker 1: and Brian Branch same as me. McKinney six interceptions, the
Speaker 1: second most, Brian Branch most forcing completions, most pass breakups,
Speaker 1: third most interceptions, crazy in the run game, makes big
Speaker 1: hits as attack where Brian Branch I cannot, I will
Speaker 1: never get over the end. Like he is going to
Speaker 1: be my perfect example every year of when we downgrade
Speaker 1: these safeties go like, look at the Ford time when
Speaker 1: they they did it with the Xavier McKenney. They did
Speaker 1: it with Kyle Hamilton, and he's like watch him play football.
Speaker 1: Safety is a mental position and he's there. And then
Speaker 1: second team even Kirby Joseph from the Lions as well.
Speaker 1: He has the most intercepts in the NFL at seven.
Speaker 1: And then I know Jesse Bates doesn't have the great stats,
Speaker 1: but you know reference when I talked about how bad
Speaker 1: the Falcons, pastor says, he's still just as dominant. I
Speaker 1: put Jesse Bates as my second team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Falcons don't allow a lot of big plays, So
Speaker 2: Jesse Bates is good and my first team is the
Speaker 2: exact same Brian Branch and Xavier McKinney. And let the
Speaker 2: record show that in that year's draft I liked Brian
Speaker 2: Branch more.
Speaker 3: Than you did.
Speaker 1: Nope, you didn't. He was the guy I wanted there. No,
Speaker 1: so Brian, I wish Brian Branch and Ximer mckining was with
Speaker 1: the Giants. Safety deal was so bad right now, so
Speaker 1: freaking bad, but it isn't. So we'll see you guys
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